Murder In Mexico: Tiffany Hartley Endures 16 Hours Of Interviews In David Hartley Death
..” I have nothing to hide. I Have ABSOLUTELY nothing to hide..”
Tiffany Hartley emerged on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 yesterday after her 16th hour of interviews at the Mexican Consulate in McAllen, Texas.
Hartley recounted the events of September 30, ending with the alleged murder of her husband David. Ms. Hartley gave both new testimony and confirmed her previous statements according to reports from the Mexican Attorney General and Ms. Hartley herself, without the presence of an attorney.
According to several statements from Hartley, David was shot “off his jet ski” while the couple was returning from the Mexican side of Falcon Lake, where they briefly took pictures of the historic church on Old Guerrerro. Neither David Hartley nor his Sea Doo watercraft have been recovered.
One of the most baffling aspect of the case, is the fact that Ms. Hartley claims the pair were shot at at as they were driving their jet skis away from alleged “pirates” they both waved a friendly hello to, seconds before. Tiffany Hartley was uninjured in the attack, and her jet ski was not hit in the gunfire. Although media was alerted last week that tests on a possible blood source on Tiffany’s life vest were due back that afternoon, we were quickly told there would be no updates about the possible blood evidence at this time.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime Editor spoke with Chuck Smith, owner Smith Marina USA about specifics of the Sea Doo RXT.
..Your correct, the RXT has a chip in the starter that is electronically programmed to “match” the owners lanyard key. If he was wearing the lanyard, whether attached to his vest, or in some cases the arm, and he was thrown off the ski, it activates a kill switch and will not start without the key it is programmed to without a factory reprogramming, which of course, one would need the paperwork for. In short, no matter what, they would need his key to start it.
Blink Question: What if he was not attached to the key, and he was shot and flew off the unit “in motion”, this would not shut the engine off, correct?
CS: Correct. The ski would continue in the direction the handlebars were pointing and continue to throttle in that direction.
Blink: How hard are these models to sink?
CS: Virtually impossible. I have never actually heard of, or seen one, sink to the bottom. The way the Coast Guard standards are now with these, they have hulls similar to boats.
Blink: Could enough bullet holes sink it? What about if the contiuum– could that have caused it to flip? Could anyone right it?
CS: No, not unless we are talking morter rounds. I guess in theory an automatic weapon could put enough holes cut it in half if that was the goal, but again, your still going to see shards of fiberglass all over the water, remnants similar to a boat accident or crash. Again, under these circumstances, I don’t see how he could flip it, but if it were, again, harder to see because the bottom is black, but any SAR or Coast Guard deployment knows what abnormalities to look for on the water surface. It would be next to impossible to “right it” in deep water. It would be more likely they would drag it to shallow water.
Blink: Is this chop-shoppable?
CS: Absolutely. There is some after factory devices, similar to lo jack, but the engine and parts are expensive and could easily be sold that way.
Blink: He was wearing a PFD I. In your opinion is that keeping him afloat until he is located if he was left in the water?
CS: Absolutely, unless it was removed, or he and the vest were removed from the water, he would be floating, yes.
As announced this morning on Dana Pretzer commentary, Blink, Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com will be discussing the Hartley case this evening live at 9PM EST on Scared Monkeys The Dana Pretzer Show.
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“search for Skype Users”
I found two David M.Hartley’s
1. The first David M. Hartley, does not have a country listed.
2. The second David M. Hartley, (Mexico)
Tia Young, is a registered Skype user, (United States)
Tiffany Hartley, is a Skype user also,(United States, Temple) TX?
I do not know if Tia Young and Tiffany Hartley are the same people
that went Christmas shopping, Ha Ha!
They are sisters.
B
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S.H. says:
December 1, 2010 at 8:43 am
Lori D says:
November 30, 2010 at 7:33 pm
SH.. If you use Google Chrome, the option to translate pages will come up automatically.
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Thank-you, Lori D, I will check out Google Chrome.
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S.H.
Google Chrome is a browser you will have to download it just like Microsoft IE is a browser that some people use; or Firefox which is my browser of choice..
You can go into any search engine & click on their ‘advanced search’ tab & set it to do a search in several different languages if your intent is to search in a language other than English..
@ S.H., Temple Tx is probably not her. That is in central Texas, don’t think they ever lived there, just south Texas.
I’ve discovered there are lots of Tiffany and David Hartley’s when I google them.
Latest TH post, again 17 I Me My’s. She used to demand that Obama do something. Now she is demanding that God bring David home. The story she tells this time just sounds so superficial and sappy, again like teenage love. I am afraid we are in for months and months more of this. Why doesn’t she talk about the latest border issues in this website? None of her posts even mention what is going on in the investigation or anything. This is all just too cut and dried for me.
Mermaid,
She has become quite the little demanding boss/biotch suddenly. Is this the real little Tiff coming out….no wonder…IF DH did take a hike or skidoo-ed out there!!!! Her last post on FB:
Tiffany Young- Hartley RT – It’s Christmas…….NOT X-mas!!! Don’t remove Christ from HIS birthday!!!Post this if you agree…….Please don’t X out the Lord!!!!! (I want to see this on everyone’s wall!!!) Also, the saying is Merry Christmas, NOT Happy Holidays!
@Mermaid14 – I saw the post also. The usual grammatical goofs (closer s/b closure, and other) and expecting God to take care of everything. It was crafted to tug at the heartstrings, and it would have if I believed anything she said. But I don’t.
JMO
Mermaid14 says:
December 2, 2010 at 3:02 pm
@ S.H., Temple Tx is probably not her. That is in central Texas, don’t think they ever lived there, just south Texas.
I’ve discovered there are lots of Tiffany and David Hartley’s when I google them.
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Curious to know if DMH – registered in Mexico, if his screen name is being used. Perhaps, his password is not known to unregister David.
If you are registered in Mexico, are you able to use Skype
in another Country, other than Mexico? I am not sauvy:)
Skype, would be ideal, for these guys to communicate, geez, who would know? There are no pings.
Haven’t been on these blogs for a while and I hope this hasn’t already been posted. I’ve been doing some research on the unsolved murder of Robert Zajac in Littleton, CO in 2002. There has been a rumor that Robert was an old boyfriend of Tiffany. The description of the murder suspect is the same height and build as David Hartley and drove a dark pick-up as did David Hartley. His head was shaved at the time and he had no facial hair so I can’t tell from the police drawing if he is the same as David but the eyes, eyebrows and mouth do look similar. David and Tiffany were married 6 months after Zajac died. Perhaps this is why David chose to live in Mexico and perhaps this is why he has disappeared. I still have a hard time believing that he is dead judging by the lack of emotion of his wife. I would like to know if David had facial and head hair back in 2002.
@ Mermaid14 says:
December 2, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Latest TH post, again 17 I Me My’s. She used to demand that Obama do something. Now she is demanding that God bring David home. The story she tells this time just sounds so superficial and sappy, again like teenage love. I am afraid we are in for months and months more of this. Why doesn’t she talk about the latest border issues in this website? None of her posts even mention what is going on in the investigation or anything. This is all just too cut and dried for me.
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The elections are over so my guess is that the border issues are a non issue to TH now ..
@S.H. says:
If you are registered in Mexico, are you able to use Skype
in another Country, other than Mexico? I am not sauvy:)
Skype, would be ideal, for these guys to communicate, geez, who would know? There are no pings.
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Skype works off of the browser in your PC or hand held so they could track it by the IP address would be my best guess.. Plus Skype produces a report for the user if requested so I’m sure it would produce a report for LE..
My friends use Skype quite a bit they live here in Florida & their relatives live in Hungary & when both parties have Skype the calls are free.. If you look at the Skype web site you will see how world wide it is & TV news shows use Skype quite a bit for their foreign correspondents..
@ Dee says:
I would like to know if David had facial and head hair back in 2002.
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If they got married 6 months after Zajac died than possibly their wedding picture should answer that question & its on the BringDavidHome.com web site..
I just looked at it & in the wedding pic he has hair on his head & no facial hair.. Unless his hair grows real quickly his head of hair looks like its more than a 6 mth growth..
nana2 says:
December 2, 2010 at 9:59 pm
@S.H. says:
If you are registered in Mexico, are you able to use Skype
in another Country, other than Mexico? I am not sauvy:)
Skype, would be ideal, for these guys to communicate, geez, who would know? There are no pings.
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Skype works off of the browser in your PC or hand held so they could track it by the IP address would be my best guess.. Plus Skype produces a report for the user if requested so I’m sure it would produce a report for LE..
My friends use Skype quite a bit they live here in Florida & their relatives live in Hungary & when both parties have Skype the calls are free.. If you look at the Skype web site you will see how world wide it is & TV news shows use Skype quite a bit for their foreign correspondents..
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Thank-you, Nana!
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This is Susan Murphy Milano blog comment. SMM made a possible error
on PH radio show, (she claimed) TH spoke Spanish and thought TH wrote
Spanish. Tiffany claims not to speak Spanish on a radio interview, although she may know a few words, perhaps the word “bathroom:!
Susan Murphy Milano blog entry:
The two jet skis in the police video can be seen on a trailer. From the dashcam both jet skis are visable. The missing jet ski that Tiffany claims was the one David was riding because she said it was faster, registration number is TX3671AX ( but that is the one she has now in her posession and that is not possible if David was riding it at the time he was shot), jet ski purchased, on June 1 of 2009 for $3,000. Her jet ski is the one that is missing. Missing ski, registration number is TX8430KA. It was purchased on June 10, 2008 for $2,000In a photo, after Tiffany returns without David, the jet ski on the drivers side that was hers is missing and the one David was on is in the photo in a newsclip on the passengers side and that was his jet ski.
How is it possible that Tiffany Hartley has a jet ski she claims is missing and also belonged to David? She now has the more powerful and faster jet ski. Tiffany returns without David and the media and the Sheriff continue to give, in my opinion, this woman a pass.
http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/2010/12/tiffany-hartley-devil-is-in-details.html
TH’s FB site is now private.
Latest on the BDH site—- she’s talking of the connection between Hezbollah and the Cartels.
iva said… comment on SMM blog:
If you go back further to April (her birthday) you can see another reference to David. It sounds as if he arranged for her sister Tia to surprise her at the airport in his stead. She expressed her delight that she has such a wonderful husband but reading between the lines I feel she was disappointed that he wasn’t there for her birthday. It sounds as if he traveled a lot and worked on location, maybe she wasn’t getting all the attention she thinks she deserves
http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/2010/12/tiffany-hartley-devil-is-in-details.html
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ME:
-Could this when mutt and jeff began plotting? Speculation & My Opin.
Thanks Nana2 for the wedding photo tip. I checked the pic and it looks like he has about 3 inches of hair at the top front part of his head and much less everywhere else. If hair grows at half an inch per month, as I am told, he could have grown out his shaved hair since the murder of Zajac.
@S.H. says
re:
This is Susan Murphy Milano blog comment. SMM made a possible error
on PH radio show, (she claimed) TH spoke Spanish and thought TH wrote
Spanish. Tiffany claims not to speak Spanish on a radio interview, although she may know a few words, perhaps the word “bathroom:!
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Once again if Tiff does not speak or understand Spanish then how did she know what the guys on the boat that were responsible for Davids supposed death were saying ? Tiff claimed in an interview that those cartel boys on the boat said ‘what do we do with her’ so did they say that in English or does she really understand Spanish ? Do these cartel people use multi language skills when they are attacking English speaking people ?
This is “Ozonetourist” last post, he was banned after eight posts, and this is his eighth, and I guess, final post, on WS.
I wish we could get Ozonetourist, for a few more comments, need to look for him.
“Ozonetourist” is an LE, IDK where he practices his vocation.
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ozonetourist
Banned
To put all into perspective, Tiffany is calling herself a “Widow” . That seems odd. It seems to me that she is very eager to get on with her new life as an advocate of some sort and travel the country. Be mindful that this is fine, however everything that is known as fact is “hearsay”. There is no body, no witnesses of any kind, However poor Tiffany can’t stand to be out of the spotlight touting some cause. I remember Mark klass and even mark Lunsford staying low keyed until the bodies of their children were discovered. They did not jump on being advocates until that day, which they have every right to do.
However Tiffany started her cause the second day this incident was reported. Just my observation.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118159
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lapis says:
December 3, 2010 at 10:08 am
TH’s FB site is now private.
Latest on the BDH site—- she’s talking of the connection between Hezbollah and the Cartels.
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Thank-you, lapis,
The heat is on. IMO
Again, Little Miss Sunshine gets it wrong. I think she;s plugging for a talk show on Fox News. I am going to put this Al Qaeda coming in thru Mexico BS to rest once and for all. I am including a link. This is nothing more than propaganda to try and force militarization of our border which will solve nothing. Just like militarization of Iraq and Afghanistan have solved nothing and practically bankrupted our country.
Now ask yourself this question. Why would a terrorist want to put their own life at risk trying to sneak across the border what with the violence and outlaw conditions that are there when they can get on a plane WITHOUT EVEN SO MUCH AS A PASSPORT and fly right into this country! Remember Sudan kid crotch bomber? He was allowed on the plane in the Netherlands with NO passport and NO papers of any kind! There were numerous American witnesses to this young man being escorted to the gate by an Indian looking man who told the flight worker that “he’s from the Sudan, we do this all the time”. The flight worker told the man he would have to go back in an office and speak with someone. Speaking done. Kid gets on plane sans any documentation. Think you or I could get away with that?
Islamic terrorists have been flying into and out of this country for years, some coming thru Canada. Mexico is a messy proposition that no one in their right mind would see as a solution. How did the shoe bomber get on a plane here? Did he have any trouble? 9/11 terrorists?? Any trouble getting over here on a plane? Not even.
Lately the ony people that get hassled at airports here are United States citizens who have no criminal or terrorist background.
So people please do not buy into this Al Qaeda garbage. There is absolutely NO proof of this and no one has been able to substantiate any of the rumors.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1519110/posts
@Dee,
That is a very interesting scenario that you came up with on the triple murder. It reminds me so much of a similar incident in Houston that had happened years earlier where 4 people were brutally murdered while working at the Malibu Grand Prix entertainment complex. I believe a robbery was also committed. However, the killer(s) were caught and it was planned by a disgruntled former employee hell bent on revenge.
It would be hard for 1 person it seems to me to corral 3 people alone. Too much chance of one of them overpowering the person. I think the robbery was more than likely committed by more than one person.
Also, if it is suggested that David might have been involved, then, how can it be that Tiffany is the one who many people think may have murdered David. I just find it highly unlikely that two potential murderers would have hooked up like those two. One of them possibly but not both. JMO
Then again truth is always stranger than fiction.
@ S.H. :
re:
To put all into perspective, Tiffany is calling herself a “Widow” . That seems odd. It seems to me that she is very eager to get on with her new life as an advocate of some sort and travel the country.
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Every time Tiff travels the country to do TV or hard copy interviews I do believe she is being compensated for travel & hotel expenses by the interviewers.. Wouldn’t all this moving around be a good way to confuse anyone that might be trying to track her & would enable her to meet up with David in another country at any point in time without creating suspicion as to why she was there?
nana2 says:
December 4, 2010 at 11:22 am
Every time Tiff travels the country to do TV or hard copy interviews I do believe she is being compensated for travel & hotel expenses by the interviewers.. Wouldn’t all this moving around be a good way to confuse anyone that might be trying to track her & would enable her to meet up with David in another country at any point in time without creating suspicion as to why she was there?
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Nana,
Yes, you raise a good point, “getting on with her life”.
I read “Ozonetourist” comment (that got him banned from WS), he mentioned, she was ready the very next day “to get on with her life”!
“Today with technology no one can hide” Mark Klaas. I remember his words well. Do you think that LE is allowing her to be cocky and over confident, so she will fudge-up?
Do you think the anchors and reporters are “playing the game”?
I don’t think they all believe her. G.K. had a girl crush on her, LOL. IMO.
@S.H. – I have also surmised that LE is waiting for someone to slip up. They may already have more information than we know. I do think reporters are playing the game also….whatever will make the best news angle on any given day….but they will all pounce on her instantly if LE gives them anything. MOO
Do you think it’s possible any church members could be involved with his “hiding” and there is no Mexico part of this play, but Africa? Weren’t they missionaries or something and had been to Africa previously? Can’t remember exactly what country, but Africa does have a lot of sandy beaches and good weather. Would they hide him if he was in thick doo doo?
Mermaid…..your hilarious. TY
@ lapis -yeah -she is demanding, but also very clearly intolerant. I can imagine that her friends consist strictly of born again Christians. But the other odd thing to me about that crazy post is that “Happy Holidays” is a term that encompasses both X-Mas AND New Years…and even Thanksgiving…. It is the HOLIDAY season, and there are quite a few holidays right now…including Hanukkah -to me it is insensitive to say Merry Christmas to a Jewish person -so when on is unsure of someone’s beliefs, imo it is rather polite just to wish “Happy Holidays.” What a ding bat.
@Mermaid -yeah, that website is all over the place. On the political-type rants, she again comes off as very demanding, saying what people should do, and how they should think. Rather humorous to me that NO ONE comments on her rantings. Not even her sis. There are several, “Fake” comments that slipped by -I forget the names -Mick and a Gonzalez woman who was very clearly mocking her media blitz…but who added a little “God speak” to get through. That lady was totally making fun. So yeah, no real comments at all -not even on the personal diary-type entries. Too bad, so sad.
@nana2 says:
December 2, 2010 at 9:50 pm
The elections are over so my guess is that the border issues are a non issue to TH now ..
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Hi nana- I view that a little differently. I believe that the politicians used her, “story” to self-advance during the elections. They used her, and moved on to their own. They don’t give a crap about David or Tiffany -otherwise there would be an active investigation, don’t you think? On the other hand, I believe she is still interested in border issues, -albeit too uneducated to really go anywhere with those concerns. I can’t say she is PASSIONATE tho, just feigning interest.
Lets face it, she has no credibility -not the makings of a leader by any stretch of the imagination. Not even her friends comment and support her website. She is just in way over her head with all the border issues and imo “stuck” with having to read and learn and preach about violence. That’s gotta suck. Prolly the last thing in the world she wants to do…but she dug her own grave on this one.
@ S.H and others regarding the Susan Milano piece. Didn’t you notice that she reported the skis to cost 2 and 3 thousand? I pointed that out to her in a comment on that article, and was relieved to see that she corrected it to 12 and 13 thousand -Whew! I just knew it that Blink would not get something like that wrong! I still don’t understand the jet ski thingy she brought up. I mean, possibly both were registered in his name -so how can one tell who drove which one?
Blink? Does your source at SeaDoo have insight as to male/female versions (think how bikes are constructed differently for men v. women, for example). Would he be able to discern between the pair of them which was a better fit for a female, which was faster, and if so, how much faster? It’s odd that TH keeps pointing that out -her saying that over and over could be a clue…why the need to keep saying that?
The other thing is that on one of the dozens of clips they showed on TV, the little Tinkerbell decal was zoomed in on the remaining ski in her garage (can anyone figure out which interview that was? It’s when they showed a close up of the life vest too). I guess I need more info about this whole jet ski switch. Fascinating, to say the least.
@ Madilu
It’s extremely odd that not even her FB friends have made a comment What happen to all her friends in TX that are all very aware of the situation there? Seems strange and out of place. Also, just curious why her FB went private? JMO, but it seems the investigaton has ended.
Blink, Do you a have prior post of mine in the que? Still waiting for moderation? TY.
Madilu says:
December 4, 2010 at 9:29 pm
@ S.H and others regarding the Susan Milano piece. Didn’t you notice that she reported the skis to cost 2 and 3 thousand? I pointed that out to her in a comment on that article, and was relieved to see that she corrected it to 12 and 13 thousand -Whew! I just knew it that Blink would not get something like that wrong! I still don’t understand the jet ski thingy she brought up. I mean, possibly both were registered in his name -so how can one tell who drove which one?
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SM does not throughly research her work, IMO. She is too emotional
for my taste.
Yes, I recall the Tinkerbell decal. David called his wife
“Tink”. Did David have a Tinklebell decal on his Jet Ski, too?
lapis says:
December 5, 2010 at 12:12 am
@ Madilu
It’s extremely odd that not even her FB friends have made a comment What happen to all her friends in TX that are all very aware of the situation there? Seems strange and out of place. Also, just curious why her FB went private? JMO, but it seems the investigaton has ended.
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Why did her FB go private? I think she has something to hide.
No, the investigation didn’t end, IMO, if not anything, it probably
is picking up speed. I have no inside information. We didn’t hear
anything about Patrick Kim McDermott, until four years later, when
he was located on a boat with a laptop.
Madilu, I have a lot of faith in people, and Mexico won’t let this case be swept under the rug, because it has hurt their Tourism.
@Madilu,
The life vest was zoomed in on in that Today show interview with Matt Lauer. That’s when people started asking questions about what the results were of the blood evidence on it which we have since found out was nonexistent. The Zapata sheriff said the vest was in their custody at the same time it was shown live on the Today Show. Totally blew their cover.
@Lapis,
Regarding church people being complicit. If you haven’t seen that last memorial service take a look at the demeanor of that preacher. A weirder dude I have not seen. Creeped me out completely. I would not be at all surprised at anything they would do. It is amazing what some of these born agains will do and call it their patriotic duty.
@Nana2,
Regarding the jetskis, to me trying to focus on the confusion as to
Who’s on First with the jetskis may be the wrong angle. Someone seems to be trying to confuse us on the facts and we may never get it straight with all the conflicting stories. But one question that hasn’t been answered is why the police did not impound the whole damned trailer and jetskis combined. With that expired old Mexican license tag they had just cause to do so. And with the immense amount of drug activity on both sides of the border they should have and in my opinion were derelict in their duty. Have seen many rants about this by Hispanic bloggers that if their skin had been brown not only would the trailer have been impounded but probably the two in the truck would have been detained as well. It points to a double standard in the way LE treats people according to skin color. It also begs the question of complicity.
@ S.H.
Madilu, I have a lot of faith in people, and Mexico won’t let this case be swept under the rug, because it has hurt their Tourism.
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Isn’t that what people thought & said about Aruba & the Natalee Holloway case ? Aruba’s thriving & Natalee’s parents & family still have no answers & no daughter..
IMO Mexico would like nothing better then to have this case go away quietly & quickly..
Just spent the last half hour pouring over photos of the “event” and aftermath. Everything I say is just pure speculation, but I think it is true a picture really is worth a thousand words. First of all, I noticed that in a number of photos of DH he is wearing “patriotic” God/Country type T-shirts. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it says alot about a person and their mindset when they “wear” their politics. I also wonder what happened to that group of people who showed up in the red/blue Bring David Home t-shirt photos with the signs holding what appeared to be some sort of demonstration. We never saw them again. Who were they? There were about 20-30 of them.
Their righteous indignation lasted the totality of 24 hours because to my knowledge they never showed up anywhere again. What was that all about? Then there is Ted Poe with the SWAT team photo op on the border shortly after. I had not seen that photo before. There is still just too much of this that screams political setup to me. I also think DH and TH both had an over inflated view of themselves and their role as God and country spokespersons. I am always suspicious of people especially men who wear their religion and politics on their sleeve yet you never see them donning an American military uniform and going overseas to walk the walk instead of talking the talk. There is a reason they have not forced TH to submit to a polygraph. I feel that reason is because they knew she could not pass. There also has to be a reason why so much of the media and law enforcement gave this case a free ride and still won’t go after the truth. I think these two were recruited for a “job”. They probably couldn’t turn it down because of their financial dilemma.
When our major institutions become complicit in the selling of a story that is so obviously a hoax everyone’s radar should be on high alert. Mine was from the beginning.
This case will never be solved because there is too much to lose from a political standpoint. The good/evil God/country scenario must remains the focus here at all costs.
But this to TH and DH both. Beware of politicians bearing gifts! They will dispose of you just as quickly as they recruited you when you are no longer expedient to their cause. It’s what they do. They corrupt and infect the institutions in this country that were once sacred. There is truly nothing sacred anymore. Everything in life and politics now has a pricetag on it. It’s just a matter of are you willing to be bought. All the goodies these two seemed to be amassing without the evidence of income to support it should be our first clue.
Mermaid- I agree with you wholeheartedly about politicians bearing gifts… They (including Sigi) totally used and took advantage of Tiff, imo. Now where are they? They obviously don’t give a crap about David or the Hartley family. They used the situation to their advantage pre-election. And these are the same political side that she supports -yet she complains about Obama? Local LE has done nothing, and that’s exactly who needs to be on it…but I respectfully disagree in the notion that politicians were somehow funding them. Think it more likely they are/were just used as pawns.
On another note, did anyone ever think that perhaps the pair of them fancied this scenario to screw over Calfrac? Or simiply to save face and collect on some sort of pay out? I am not big into conspiracy theories. But, seems they were pretty much shoved around by Calfrac —asked to work here, then there, then in Russia, then Mexico…then uproot and move to McAllen, then apparently laid off and asked to move back to Colorado… once they settled and bought all their furniture. Sounds like a LOT of jerking around to me. I’d be pissed. Honestly, the only time I hear TH really jazzed up about any of this was in the Rodriguez (The Monitor)interview where she talked about him working his butt off for Calfrac, served 3 or 4 roles —and they knew it! She sounded pissed. Couple that with when she said that Calfrac called her when they heard, “what David did.” (???) Haven’t developed this angle at all, yet was just thinking…
Did anybody here notice that Tiffany put her facebook page to private the same day that SMM’s piece about the skis came out?
Link please?
B
Isfahan.. The timing of TH setting her facebook acct to private is very telling. Like you say, that was the same day that Susan Milano wrote her piece on the jet skis. I think Tiff is getting scared.
B… not sure what link you’re looking for, so here’s both.
TH facebook….http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=643032226
Susans blog….http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/2010/12/tiffany-hartley-devil-is-in-details.html
This is what I came up with for a link.
Just saw Lori D posted already. Yes, Lori it is quite a coincidence, but I do not think it is a coincidence.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tiffany-Young-Hartley/643032226
I find it rather odd that given the number of years that DH worked for Calfrac they have completely remained silent. No official statement to the press or the family. I think this speaks loudly. The “what David did” phrase probably refers to his throwing caution to the wind to take a few photos of an old church given the inherent danger that might be faced. To them it probably showed very poor judgement. And perhaps, just perhaps, they are not buying the story either.
As to why neither of them carried a cellphone that day? Hmmmm, my only conclusion is that neither of them wanted their tracks to be traced that day. Travelling into a dangerous area in a totally vulnerable manner such as on a jetski coupled with having no means of calling for help shows them to be not too sharp. Either that or the story is bogus and neither wanted their whereabouts to be known that day.
Blink,
I found “Ozonezone”! He is the talented poster who is an expert on cases. May I invite him over to post with us Blinkster’s, please?
There is a little nitch (LOL) I already posted his posts, he does
not know this. May I ask you, if possible, could you please delete
my posts that mention Ozonetourist? He does know he was banned from
another site.
We would appreciate his knowledge and experienced opinions.
Thank-you, for your patience, time and your gracious nature
SH, respectfully I have no idea who you are talking about, and I do not “invite” posters, all are welcome.
If you meant you are posting someone else’s post from another site without attrition, that is not permitted.
Perhaps I misunderstood?
B
B- there is no link really, just discussion on Seamous. -about Susan’s piece on Dec 2nd, and during that discussion, someone noticed that the FB page suddenly buttoned up that day.
Do you have an opinion about whether or not David’s, the fastest ski, is the one that returned to shore? It doesn’t make sense to me, given the Tink decal, on the dash of the ski, shown in her garage on the Today Show on October 11. See this clip, at 1:43, you will see the Tinkerbell decal that she said he put on there for her. SMM avoided my question. Nor did she not elaborate on how she “knows” that the one in possession is faster. Is that verifiable? If true, then that’s a pretty gigantic, “slip” on Th’s part, don’t ya think?
Either which way, why the heck was the stolen jet ski never formally reported as stolen, or Texas license # and VIN of it published and advertised, for people to be on the lookout for it? And most sadly, no tip line for information about David himself. Bizarre.
Matt Lauer Today show: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39701854/ns/world_news-americas/
Another note on that clip -TH looks like she is going to vomit (~6:00) when her MIL gushes about loving her like a daughter…then takes Tiff’s hand… But TH doesn’t budge, or move her hand to receive that gesture whatsoever. Sickening. My guess is she can’t stand PH, and has done a good job of hiding that over the years.
Bizarre contradictions:
10/7/10 Interview, Early Show
Rodriquez: Tiffany, you told me that you believed that the men who ambushed you and David had him. Do you still feel that way, and do you think he’s alive?
TYH: “Um, unfortunately no I don’t think he’s alive at this time, um, since we’re already a week almost to since he’s been gone.
10/12/10 Interview, The Monitor
Hernandez: So you’re definitely sure he passed?
TYH: “Yeah. If anybody had saw what I had seen that day, um, I can’t imagine that he would be, you know, with us today, physically. Spiritually yes, he is. But Unless God created, creates a miracle and he is, I don’t know. Physically I just couldn’t see that that would be a possibility.”
11/17/10 (Border Wars)
TYH: He was face down in the water, and I jumped off and I got in the water and flipped him over and that’s when (points to forehead) I saw that he had been shot in the head. I knew he was gone. But it didn’t matter, I was still gonna stay there and I was still gonna try to get him out of there. I just didn’t know how that was gonna happen.
So it goes from “don’t think” to “can’t imagine” to “I knew he was gone.”
Dear Tiffany:
Congratulations on your graduation from the Sarah Palin school of geopolitical history! Sorry that education will not be worth a plug nickel to you in the real world. Time to get your boogeymen straight sweetie.
First of all, lumping Hezbollah in with Al Qaeda??? Just a little google or two would have told you that the two groups are thoroughly unrelated. Al Qaeda was formerly known as the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, you know, where the Russians fought a 10 year long war with the Afghans and lost while we supplied the Afghans with all kinds of weapons in Charlie Wilson’s war and now those weapons are turned on us. Bin Laden took up the cause and it became Al Qaeda. Most of their war is being financed with drug money from opium which is another reason why they don’t need to go near Mexico, they’ve got all the drug money they need. So much for that sneakin’ over the border thing.
Oh and the FBI says they have no proof Bin Laden had anything to do with the 9/11 terror attacks which is why they are not mentioned on his FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorist Page. He is only wanted for the bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and other “crimes against humanity”.
Hezbollah comes from the Iran/Lebanon fundamentalist movement. You were not even born yet when Americans were being held hostage and the fundamentalist movement led by the Ayatollah Khomeni. We tried a military solution to that situation too like what seems to be your preferred modus operandi and it failed miserably. They held 24 Americans for nearly 2 years. There was a political “deal” made so that they would be released after Reagan was inaugurated thereby making him look like a big hero. He had nothing to do with their release.
Sometimes that God/Country thing just doesn’t seem to work in the real world does it? Militarizing the entire world will not stop people from blowing themselves and hundreds others up for a cause. Best to be smart before we make our alliances.
Only we’re not. We’re dumber than ever before. Our biggest debts are now owed to Russia and China. And our own U.S. Treasury that we the taxpayers support has REFUSED to reveal to us which oil producing countries were are now trillions of dollars in debt to.
Tiffany, you and your tea partiers need to realize this is not your grandfather’s war. It’s not about good/evil anymore. It’s about finding out which of our OWN has sold us out to the highest bidder and shipped all our jobs overseas.
You can convene the biggest Army in the world and your empire will STILL fall. Just ask the Romans. Oh wait, isn’t that in the Bible?
Mermaid14 says:
December 6, 2010 at 2:35 pm
I find it rather odd that given the number of years that DH worked for Calfrac they have completely remained silent. No official statement to the press or the family. I think this speaks loudly. The “what David did….”
It’s very telling about CalFrac.
And “what David did…” Didn’t Tiffany stop herself, then correct herself by saying something else?
David didn’t do anything that Tiffany didn’t do, if you believe they went to Old Guerrero. They both did it. So what was she going to say about David?
What information does Blink have on the jet skis? I read here that David’s was an RXT? If his is missing, how is his ski type known?
Do you have any other information on those skis?
Anybody know when Tiffany said David put that Tinkerbell decal on her jet ski? If you have link or cite, please post.
@mermaid 14 @35. I like your post. The only problem with a political conspiracy involving David Hartley’s death is, who killed him? Why not her too? He does seem to be dead.
Other than that, I think you are right about the huge and frightening political and media coverup.
IMO, they are taking advantage, to Tiffany’s gigantic benefit, of whatever happened that day on Falcon Lake or somewhere in Texas. It is clear that Tiffany and David knew they were going to a very dangerous area, and that works as a great cover if someone gets killed. That is why she has been so insistent they were there, just taking a few picture of a religious icon.
There is no proof at all that they were there.
44.Mermaid14 says:
December 6, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Dear Tiffany:
Congratulations on your graduation from the Sarah Palin school of geopolitical history! Sorry that education will not be worth a plug nickel to you in the real world. Time to get your boogeymen straight sweetie….
Terrific post!!!!
@isfahan,
I believe David is alive. TH has never grieved or shown any real trauma for a person whose husband was shot and killed before her eyes. As I said before, if not insurance scam, some kind of scam for political purposes. Had he been shot as she described, and had she tried pulling him up on her ski, there would have been blood all over her. I can’t explain the family’s complete and total trust in her unless they have somehow been apprised of this and knew that these two had been working undercover or something. And you’re right, there is no proof they were even there. I find it highly suspicious that they jetski into a known dangerous area with absolutely no way to communicate for help should something go wrong. That is just not even in the realm of possibility. What kind of husband would put his wife in that position? We also don’t know who this supposed witness was. Never saw a person, never heard an actual voice, how do we even know there was a witness. Also the 911 call sounds really bizarre, from the questions to the responses, almost as if it had been rehearsed. How do we know that was even real? Funny how they came up with that call but no other evidence of any kind that they were there. And remember TH did not even make that call, supposedly this “witness” did then handed her the phone.
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Thoughts to why her FB is private.
I wonder if TH is making plans for a vacation over the Holidays?
Perhaps, making travel plans to somewhere warm & toasty. IMO.
I think it also realistic, Tiffy, may see a downside, to exposing her
life history on FB.
I guess you can put a tinkerbell sticker on anything at anytime if you have some of them. kind of like heart stickers. I also wouldnt doubt that David could have had a tinkerbell sticker on his jet ski to remind him of Tiffany. My husband would do it if that was a nickname he had for me. But I guess we’re not so sure which jet ski made it back. I would think that David would want the faster one, just a guy thing. I also was not aware that they did not take a cell phone with them. That is crazy and hard to believe.
So lets see, she made it out alive, with possibly his jet ski, has his wallet, his wedding ring (If I heard correctly), the keys to the truck, and we are not suppose to be suspicious.???Yea right!