Murder In Mexico: Tiffany Hartley Endures 16 Hours Of Interviews In David Hartley Death
..” I have nothing to hide. I Have ABSOLUTELY nothing to hide..”
Tiffany Hartley emerged on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 yesterday after her 16th hour of interviews at the Mexican Consulate in McAllen, Texas.
Hartley recounted the events of September 30, ending with the alleged murder of her husband David. Ms. Hartley gave both new testimony and confirmed her previous statements according to reports from the Mexican Attorney General and Ms. Hartley herself, without the presence of an attorney.
According to several statements from Hartley, David was shot “off his jet ski” while the couple was returning from the Mexican side of Falcon Lake, where they briefly took pictures of the historic church on Old Guerrerro. Neither David Hartley nor his Sea Doo watercraft have been recovered.
One of the most baffling aspect of the case, is the fact that Ms. Hartley claims the pair were shot at at as they were driving their jet skis away from alleged “pirates” they both waved a friendly hello to, seconds before. Tiffany Hartley was uninjured in the attack, and her jet ski was not hit in the gunfire. Although media was alerted last week that tests on a possible blood source on Tiffany’s life vest were due back that afternoon, we were quickly told there would be no updates about the possible blood evidence at this time.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime Editor spoke with Chuck Smith, owner Smith Marina USA about specifics of the Sea Doo RXT.
..Your correct, the RXT has a chip in the starter that is electronically programmed to “match” the owners lanyard key. If he was wearing the lanyard, whether attached to his vest, or in some cases the arm, and he was thrown off the ski, it activates a kill switch and will not start without the key it is programmed to without a factory reprogramming, which of course, one would need the paperwork for. In short, no matter what, they would need his key to start it.
Blink Question: What if he was not attached to the key, and he was shot and flew off the unit “in motion”, this would not shut the engine off, correct?
CS: Correct. The ski would continue in the direction the handlebars were pointing and continue to throttle in that direction.
Blink: How hard are these models to sink?
CS: Virtually impossible. I have never actually heard of, or seen one, sink to the bottom. The way the Coast Guard standards are now with these, they have hulls similar to boats.
Blink: Could enough bullet holes sink it? What about if the contiuum– could that have caused it to flip? Could anyone right it?
CS: No, not unless we are talking morter rounds. I guess in theory an automatic weapon could put enough holes cut it in half if that was the goal, but again, your still going to see shards of fiberglass all over the water, remnants similar to a boat accident or crash. Again, under these circumstances, I don’t see how he could flip it, but if it were, again, harder to see because the bottom is black, but any SAR or Coast Guard deployment knows what abnormalities to look for on the water surface. It would be next to impossible to “right it” in deep water. It would be more likely they would drag it to shallow water.
Blink: Is this chop-shoppable?
CS: Absolutely. There is some after factory devices, similar to lo jack, but the engine and parts are expensive and could easily be sold that way.
Blink: He was wearing a PFD I. In your opinion is that keeping him afloat until he is located if he was left in the water?
CS: Absolutely, unless it was removed, or he and the vest were removed from the water, he would be floating, yes.
As announced this morning on Dana Pretzer commentary, Blink, Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com will be discussing the Hartley case this evening live at 9PM EST on Scared Monkeys The Dana Pretzer Show.
Related Posts
Related Posts:
1,340 Comments
RSS feed for comments on this post. TrackBack URI
Mermaid14,
I agree with the everything you are pointing out as possible scenarios in this situation. The 911 call when the operator asks TH if her husband was thrown off…just does not seem like the next likely question with a call of such urgency…however only my opinion. I have no idea how 911 operators are trained. I cannot decide if TH is extremely smart or extremely not so smart. Her grammar certainly suggests certain variations of that. I just have to believe in my heart that LE is letting her talk herself into a corner as well as all the interviewers that have been televised since the beginning of the event. I know nothing about statement analysis but common sense can detect deception in TH’s words. What do you think is going on? An active investigation? A complete end to the whole crime…which whether David is alive or not..a crime has taken place. I cannot even find much online that is up to date since TH and sis were doing their early morning shopping. Do you think TH is hiding…in witness protection??? Have you noticed that Calfrac has no type of memorial or mention of their site? Certainly Calfrac does not want to alarm their employees or clients, but, I mean a man is dead…at least that is what we understand as this point to be true. Is the BDH site still up? I asked a very simple question concerning the couple’s knowledge of the danger in that area..nothing derogatory at all and no response…never posted and now I get a white page..hmmm. The fact that the couple knew of the area, that a crime scene exactly like the one we are hearing had been described by a local LE person as something he was afraid would happen…just all too much to wrap my head around. I want to believe that TH is honest and just traumatized and in need of a grammar brush-up…but….as I said earlier…my heart and my head are going two different ways on this.
Some typos….sorry…letting it flow and did not check.
@gigi,
Right now Tiffany does not seem to fear any repercussions from law enforcement, drug cartels, or media of any kind. That tells me she knew up front that she did not have to fear that. What she seems to fear now is scrutiny from the public sector, those that she knows don’t believe her. Like changing her FB to private after the missing jetski anomalies were exposed. Right after I complained on here about all her silly diary like love stories on a site that was supposed to be about getting action taken by LE, her next post on that site was about just that. She is reading these blogs, no doubt. That in itself is suspicious to me. I don’t think there is any active investigation of any kind going on. The people who had the most to gain by this incident have moved on. The media is left to just continue to try and appear that they know what they are doing, but the fact they have dropped this like a hot potato tells me they know its going nowhere also.
Snipped from Mermaid:
You can convene the biggest Army in the world and your empire will STILL fall. Just ask the Romans.
——–
I’ve been saying for years that we have become like the Romans and are headed down the same path. They made it 400 years….I’m wondering if we will.
Mermaid14 says:
December 7, 2010 at 1:48 pm
@isfahan,
“I believe David is alive. TH has never grieved or shown any real trauma for a person whose husband was shot and killed before her eyes. As I said before, if not insurance scam, some kind of scam for political purposes. Had he been shot as she described, and had she tried pulling him up on her ski, there would have been blood all over her. I can’t explain the family’s complete and total trust in her unless they have somehow been apprised of this and knew that these two had been working undercover or something. And you’re right, there is no proof they were even there. I find it highly suspicious that they jetski into a known dangerous area with absolutely no way to communicate for help should something go wrong….”
All true and more, except:
I do think David is dead. She’s had far too much media exposure saying he can’t be alive.
What facts do we have?
Can’t Blink with her connections get the whole 911 call? Please?
Nobody can, except in it’s redacted form, it is an ongoing investigation.
B
Blink,
Will you comment on where you got your jetski information?
Do you believe it is still accurate?
Would you mind posting a link to whatever it is you are asking me to compare my info too please?
tia
B
gigi says:
December 7, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Mermaid14
respectfully snipped..
cannot decide if TH is extremely smart or extremely not so smart.
—
IMO
She is not smart, but others around her are street smart.
She is a Muppet, so to speak.
Mermaid14 says:
December 7, 2010 at 11:42 pm
@gigi,
Right now Tiffany does not seem to fear any repercussions from law enforcement, drug cartels, or media of any kind. That tells me she knew up front that she did not have to fear that. What she seems to fear now is scrutiny from the public sector, those that she knows don’t believe her
——————–
She should have two fears, IRS and a P.I.
@gigi,
TH lost me at the gum smacking interview. No grammar was even needed. I took one look at her with her hair in her face and smacking gum during an interview about the supposed trauma of her cradling her husband’s bloody head in her hands. Think about Jackie Kennedy. That was the picture of trauma personified. Now picture Tiffany Hartley. There was never any trauma in her face, her voice, or her mannerisms. She never shed one tear that I could see.
The only way the IRS would go after her is if this was not a put up political job which I think it was. If it was, they won’t touch it. The only people that might hire a P.I. would be Calfrac if they stand to have to give up any life insurance money.
Thanks for the updates. Yes, the gum smacking is just a basic no-no that it seems any young lady would know is not conducive to her respect for the person she is speaking to at the time. Through the years my daughter danced and performed in school, church, recital or wherever she knew that the directors would pitch a hissy for that conduct. It shows lack of respect for the entire subject..it dequalifies what one has to say if smacking gum at the time. Please everyone keep us posted as I can find nothing new at this time.
Can’t help but notice that TH’s posts are getting further and further apart. When she first started the webpage, she was posting one every 2 to 3 days. It’s been a full week now since the last one. Looks like she’s getting bored with this too and ready to move on. Everything just cut and dried and tied up in a nice neat little package.
@isfahan:
Regarding the 911 call, here is an audio link, and another link with a written transcript of the conversation:
http://www.aolnews/nation/article/new-details-emerge-in-deadly-shooting-on-us-mexico-border-lake/19658735
http://www.alipac.us/article5711.html
The first 3 questions that the 911 operator asks raise red flags in my mind. First of all, the number one job of the operator is to get help as quickly as possible to the injured and get them to a trauma center. This lady doesn’t seem to have that as her priority.
Question 1: Are you sure he was shot? Say what?? Why the heck would they be calling 911 unless it were a dire emergency? This woman is going to question what they have just witnessed?
Question 2: So he was thrown off the jetski? Why does she need to ask that? She needs to be asking the nature of his injuries, where he is now, and what are they doing to help him now? The thrown off the jetski line is what Tiffany used to replay her drama.
Question 3: He was shot on the Mexican side? Again, what difference does it make?? This is a dire medical emergency, someone’s life is one the line, so we are going to determine our response by which side of the border he is on??
Question 4: Describe the boats they were in. How is this going to help this mortally wounded man? For God’s sake get help out there and worry about that later!
I’m sorry but this whole line of questioning by this 911 operator just makes my blood run cold. This is why I feel the 911 call was completely phony and bogus. She was NOT doing the job of an emergency rescue worker! She was acting like a damned detective trying to solve a crime instead of get help to a mortally wounded man or…………she was told to ask specifically pointed pre-determined questions to prevent others from asking them later on. In other words, to “drive home” the scenario that they wanted the public to buy.
Sorry, bad link to the audio 911 call, trying again:
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/new-details-emerge-in-deadly-shooting-on-us-mexico-border-lake/19658735
Did a little more research into 911 protocol, also I have a link here on what to expect when you call 911 from a cell phone, which can bring a very different response depending on what technology is in your area.
Bottome line though: Most 911 operators have a channel they can switch on that broadcasts the call over the emergency airwaves so that nearby police, fire, and EMS services can respond if they are nearby. Do we know what emergency services responded to the 911 call that day? Were they interviewed about what they saw? I never heard one word about an ESM or emergency responder being interviewed that day about what went on and what they saw, am I mistaken about this?
If this was a legitimate 911 call, there would have to have been responders and reports written and turned in by those responders. Where are they?
http://www.ehow.com/about_7221485_911-operator-protocol.html
http://www.hostedipbx.com/E911disclaimer.html
@Mermaid – good stuff about the 911 operator. Definitely something to contemplate in the shower. Also, I’m with you on that gum smackin’. What else needs to be said after you’ve seen THAT? Sheesh. And the comparison to Jackie K., that really hits home – now THAT is a woman who has seen trauma happen to her husband, complete with blood and brains. Then you think about Tiffany’s behavior and it’s NOTHING like that. NOTHING. I have never seen a more curious case…
14.Mermaid14 says:
December 8, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Did a little more research into 911 protocol, also I have a link here on what to expect when you call 911 from a cell phone, which can bring a very different response depending on what technology is in your area.
Bottome line though: Most 911 operators have a channel they can switch on that broadcasts the call over the emergency airwaves so that nearby police, fire, and EMS services can respond if they are nearby. Do we know what emergency services responded to the 911 call that day? Were they interviewed about what they saw? I never heard one word about an ESM or emergency responder being interviewed that day about what went on and what they saw, am I mistaken about this?
If this was a legitimate 911 call, there would have to have been responders and reports written and turned in by those responders. Where are they?
http://www.ehow.com/about_7221485_911-operator-protocol.html
http://www.hostedipbx.com/E911disclaimer.html
Whoops! Your post got copied without my comment!
Good 911 stuff. I have read and heard the limited call.
I was asking why no one has heard the whole call?
@isfahan,
I heard quite a bit of it, but not the ending and in addition to that why don’t we know who the first responders were? If there were police and fire and EMS scanners working that day they would have heard the call and immediately gone to that area. Who responded? Where are their reports? Where is the police report written about the truck being stopped? All of this should basically be public information.
I think the 911 operators questions seem skewed because we are not hearing the whole conversation. I think her questions reflect the direction Tiffany went in the conversation. Since Tiffany went that way, the operator responds in similar fashion. Obviously the operator did not believe he had been killed by whatever it was Tiffany said to her. Maybe she just was not believable.
Sheriff: Two New Suspects In Falcon Lake Murder
Reported by: Will Ripley
Last Update: 9:11 pm
ZAPATA – More than two months after the alleged murder of an American jet skier on Falcon Lake, new clues began to emerge Thursday. Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez Jr. said he was looking for two men who opened fire on David and Tiffany Hartley on September 30.
http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Sheriff-Two-New-Suspects-In-Falcon-Lake-Murder/llhRgV2DcEGME16sKuGTlw.cspx
Blaze posted this link on Peter’s blog. I wish I had confirmation that someone who knows how to investigate was investigating this debacle!
http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Sheriff-Two-New-Suspects-In-Falcon-Lake-Murder/llhRgV2DcEGME16sKuGTlw.cspx
Blood on vest was David’s according to Sherrif.
http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Sheriff-Two-New-Suspects-In-Falcon-Lake-Murder/llhRgV2DcEGME16sKuGTlw.cspx
SNIP:
The sheriff said the suspects were from Guerrero, Mexico, and are known smugglers suspected of drug and human trafficking. He said they were working with the Zetas on Falcon Lake and fired shots at the Hartleys. David died and Tiffany fled on her jet ski back to the U.S. side of the lake.
“And they had also supposedly gotten the green light to kill her also. But she was able to escape,” Gonzalez said.
Gonzalez told CHANNEL 5 NEWS he got his information from confidential informants who told him David’s body and jet ski were destroyed and will never be found. When asked about the lab results on Tiffany’s blood-stained life vest, Gonzalez replied, “It was human blood. It did belong to David Hartley.”
Prayers for the Hartley Family
Seriously?
Sigh.
B
Previous comments from Blink on the alleged head wound and blood evidence:
I have considered that, except to say that in all of the previous “pirate incidents” the witness claim they were using ak-47′s, or machine guns, the like-
Those bullets wound profile produces damage, referred to in forensics as tissue disruption following it’s permanent crush cavity, 30x the diameter of the bullet. It is not impossible, but at the range we are talking, with no other hits that we know of, it is unlikely if they were close enough to get a “through and through”.
Possible yes.
B
Lemme say this, it would take a reputable lab about an hour to type and cross that blood to David or Tiffany’s type. I am assuming his own CSI resources did a field test to see if it was blood, however, since the words are flying now “invisible to the naked eye” to say there was a blood smear without a field test is complete BS.
Depending upon the sample, and I can bet you Mexico would pay for this, a proper DNA test could take 24 hours.
If Mexico has the investigative burden, I question how Sigi had jurisdiction on his own to do that in the first place, if he did. You can’t just farm out evidence in a criminal investigation with no controls…
The “sample” is a red herring, imo, because every reasonable person saw what the Sheriff apparently did not.
B
The evidence available to investigators, which is DIRECT and PHYSICAL, belies the account of the surviving DIRECT witness. What the Hell is wrong here?
B
Personally, I think the fact that the results from the alleged blood “drop/smear” are not back are complete BS.
Some poor guy’s head ends up in luggage and the US can’t return a swab?
Can someone with a Federal level of authority stop these people from further embarrassing our LE agencies?
B
I think Sheriff Gonzalez is way out of his league on this one. I say that with respect, his job is un-enviable.
If David Hartley’s naked to the human eye, blood swipe ( which btw if we buy her acct is the only thing it could be, unless it is on the rear of her vest, as she was in front of him) was his, does anyone really believe Sigi is not calling a pressconf?
B
Remember, I am basing my opinion on the testimony of the only known eye witness in this case.
I dont care how efficient they may be at cleaning a crime scene. The bulk of the crime scene ( Tiffany) who alleges she handled a mortally wounded man after fleeing from gunfire which she managed to completely evade, does not so far, have a cell out of place. I do not buy it.
B
Can you Blink 3 times if you know this is all being investigated by real investigators. OMG…that song Knock 3 times on the ceiling….just came to my mind….I’ll have it in my head all night!!!
I have no solid reassurance of that my friend.
B
22.SouthernMom says:
December 10, 2010 at 12:40 am
Blood on vest was David’s according to Sherrif.
http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Sheriff-Two-New-Suspects-In-Falcon-Lake-Murder/llhRgV2DcEGME16sKuGTlw.cspx
SNIP:
The sheriff said the suspects were from Guerrero, Mexico, and are known smugglers suspected of drug and human trafficking. He said they were working with the Zetas on Falcon Lake and fired shots at the Hartleys. David died and Tiffany fled on her jet ski back to the U.S. side of the lake.
“And they had also supposedly gotten the green light to kill her also. But she was able to escape,” Gonzalez said.
Gonzalez told CHANNEL 5 NEWS he got his information from confidential informants who told him David’s body and jet ski were destroyed and will never be found. When asked about the lab results on Tiffany’s blood-stained life vest, Gonzalez replied, “It was human blood. It did belong to David Hartley.”
Why did they shoot David? They kill for no reason in a supposed head shot that most would estimate to be a million-to-one, risk being identified by Tiffany, hold her at gun point, talk among themselves, let her try to get David’s body on a ski while deciding, then let her go, and then destroy the jet ski.
Human trafficking and Tiffany is unscathed. I don’t think so.
Sheriff Gonzalez needs a long stay in a Mexican penal facility. I hope his obstruction of justice will cross international lines.
Any prison in this country would be far too easy for him and expensive for taxpayers.
Soon, Tiffany Hartley should join her cohort in crime for her last Mexican vacation.
I don’t believe this statement from Sheriff Sigi in any way whatsoever. I believe that the author, Will Ripley is not credible, I will have to look into him. Proof will be if his article catches on to MSM, and if they are the meticulous fact-checkers that they SHOULD BE, then…they will report FACTS.
Once again -this information is on the, “down low” –i.e. “confidential informants” -just like the GS ‘witness’ not willing to step forward…. now, “inside informants” for Sigi??? Yep. Right. —
The other thing interesting about Will Ripley’s article is that he quotes the sheriff Sigi as saying that, “he was looking for two men who opened fire on D & T Hartley.”
Two men. Really? How did two men, “man” three boats?”
How did Mrs. Hartley know which 2 men, of multiple men in each of the three boats, opened fire -and therefore were being sought out by Sheriff Sigi?
Three boats. Three boats… two men. Yes, why seek “2 men” when TH herself has said that there where THREE boats, and several on each boat…and that she could not identify any of them, didn’t even know what they looked like. She has never identified even their gender, nor their race -Not directly or specifically. At least not publicly in the many interviews she sought out and enthusiastically participated in.
TH stated that, when speaking of the ONE boat, the one closest to her when she attempted to pull David up by the shoulder straps of his life vest, whilst they were a mere 10 feet away, “I saw two people but there was a third or fourth person in that boat, I just didn’t see them. ”
So, according to her, there were 3 to 4 people in ONE of the three boats… which means that altogether there were at least 6-8 “pirates” altogether. So why is Sigi, “looking for two men?”
And, where is he looking exactly??? He dismissed David Hartley’s family from the, “get go” by announcing that his hands were tied, that he was too scared to enter Mexican territory in order to search for David’s remains. he said that it was too dangerous and that his men were either unwilling or unable to venture out across the border in order to search for David.
He is either lying now, or was lying then. How can he be, “looking for” “two men” over two months later, when he was an unwilling coward to even look for David at the time of alleged crisis?
In addition to that, she has not in any way whatsoever said that she knew which, of the alleged multiple people in each of three boats who exactly would be responsible for shooting her husband in the forehead/back of head/neck -which ever story you wish to follow…
Okay, so why would Sigi now be narrowing in, “looking for two men who opened fire on David” instead of AT LEAST three men?
In regard to: “”and they had also supposedly gotten the green light to kill her also. But she was able to escape,” Gonzalez said. ”
WTF kind of statement is that? again, how does he know this? Rumor? Just like that Statfors or whatever they are called? Trying to squelch this? That statement, to me, is HIGHLY suspect. “Supposedly” is the word that gives Sigi an escape route, i.e. a means to back-peddle. And, btw, in her own words, she did not exactly “escape.” “they” decided to let her go. None of this report makes sense to me.
In regard to: When asked about the lab results on Tiffany’s blood-stained life vest, Gonzalez replied, “It was human blood. It did belong to David Hartley.”
I would like to hear this, “report” from someone other than the Sheriff Sigi Gonzalez, a man who has single-handedly, entirely and completely botched the criminal investigation into the alleged murder of David Hartley. IMO, he is an incompetent, non-forward thinking, non-investigator with a political agenda. I believe he used Tiffany to further his own cause, and I really, seriously don’t believe a word he says.
He has lost ALL credibility in my mind, and until this comes from a REAL US investigator from the FBI or a criminologist, or other likewise credible source, it is in my mind complete HOG WASH!!!!!!
And yes. My heart does return to feelings of empathy for NH, PH and his father.
I want to hear the sheriff on camera, actually saying to to the taxpaying citizens. And even then, I want to hear the blood evidence report from an independent source who does not, seemingly, have a crush on Tiffany Hartley.
Yep.
Bullpuckey, in a word.
B
According to Will Ripley’s KRGV article: Does anyone see a complete disconnect with the following statement?
“Gonzalez also said at least four sources had confirmed Tiffany Hartley’s account of what happened. Sheriff Gonzalez said this now makes four suspects in the Falcon Lake murder case. ”
What the heck does that mean?
Four sources:
1) Tiffany
2) Texas cops who stopped them for expired plates
3) Border Patrol who saw them eating at Subway
4) “Witness” who saw Tiff riding into shore on her Jet Ski
Okay, so do the math: This makes FOUR SUSPECTS in the case?
So, in my mind, this means that they four suspects are:
1) Tiffany
2) Texas cops who stopped them for expired plates
3) Border Patrol who saw them eating at Subway
4) “Witness” who saw Tiff riding into shore on her Jet Ski
Is Will Ripley insane, or is Sigi a liar, or is my math off?
What a bizarre and unworthy statement the writer made here. Huh???
The other thing that I would like to point out is the fact that a statement such as, “When asked about the lab results on Tiffany’s blood-stained life vest, Gonzalez replied, “It was human blood. It did belong to David Hartley.” is entirely suspect in that…
this case was purposefully and aggressively splattered all over the media circuit for weeks after September 30th, yet, NOT ONE of those news outlets, including CNN, CBS, ABC, FOX, Dr. Phil, NG, JVM, (not to mention the Governor of Texas) etc. have picked up this story?
What is wrong with this picture? Just one sole, local newspaper printed it? Will Ripley -does he need to be fired?
A Mizzou graduate, “Will’s dance moves won him first place in the 2009 “Dancing with the Stars of Hidalgo County” charity competition. ”
Perhaps he needs to stick to dancing.
Sheriff Gonzalez,
We need more info and when you do arrest the new suspects they can lead you to the body and jet ski andy the suspects can tell you why they could not get a bullet in Tiff when she was ten feet from them grappling her husband’s body and a jet ski. I smell a rat.
Remember, this is also the sheriff that said the vest was still in the custody of the Zapata County Sheriff’s Dept while it was being shown live on the Today Show. Let’s see the written report confirming it was David Hartley’s blood. They owe the public that much.
Why are they withholding portions of the 911 call? Why would that need to be kept from the public? Where is the full transcript?
Where is a copy of the police report for when they stopped the truck?
Where are the written/eyewitness reports of the first responders to the 911 call? Surely there was an EMS response of some kind if it was reported a man had been shot, I don’t care which side of the border he was on.
Where was the game warden that day? Surely he was somewhere in the vicinity? Has someone interviewed him/her?
Where are the radio transcripts of the police scanners that were on that day? If we can get them from the Kennedy assassination all the way back to 1963 we can get them from this incident in 2010. 911 centers broadcast on channels that are over the public airwaves so as to get the closest responder there quickly.
Why are all Zapata County property tax records held in a private place? I thought all county tax records in this country were public. This is the first time I have ever seen this! You can look up any house or piece of property and its value by owner name, address, or legal description. But not in Zapata County. If I am wrong on this someone call me out but I spent time trying to find them and couldn’t.
Since the sheriff is so “well informed” I would like for him to answer to why the description of David’s wound changed twice from front of head to back of head to neck???
Where is the FBI on this??? Supposedly they interviewed this woman for hours??? What info did they gain from that?
If they are so sure who did this, are the wanted men listed on the FBI’s Most Wanted page? They should be if LE is serious about this case.
Why no polygraph? It would put all the rumors to rest once and for all.
My sister in law was once abducted from a mall parking lot at knifepoint and raped, and taken across state lines. She managed to escape with her life at a gas station. And you know what?? The FBI didn’t believe her!!! She had her clothes hanging off of her where the rapist had cut them off with the knife. And they are going to believe this tart?
I have no faith in the FBI either. None!
This should be required reading for Tiffany Hartley and anyone who wants to know who and what is behind these drug cartels in Mexico.
IT’S NOT WHO YOU THINK! Tiffany thinks the U.S. Military is the answer to the problem. Uh, Tiff, you better read this:
http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/us-military-trained-mex-drug-cartel-ops
This is frightening stuff. Again, our own weapons of war are being turned on us.
I thought the Kyron case was weird. But this one takes weirdness a huge leap further. I keep going back to the story Tiffany told of how DH whas shot in the head and his brains were falling out. Yet no blood/brain evidence on Tiffany (okay, a tiny spot that we’ve been waiting for the results on for WEEKS, and then Sheriff Sigi just kind of puts it out there, oh by the way, it WAS David’s blood, and never even offered that info until someone asked – I don’t believe for one minute it was David’s blood anyway, unless it was planted by way of a cut finger or whatever). But to the point, Tiffany wanted to tell a story that would make everyone SURE that David was dead. She wanted to leave no doubt whatsoever. A hole in the head and brains coming out would certainly indicate death. She knew for sure that she could tell this story and that no one would ever find out otherwise. She knew for sure David wouldn’t be found. She knew his jetski wouldn’t be found. Why? Because this was planned. We just don’t know what the exact plan was. Either he’s dead and she planned it with someone else, and they got rid of both David and the jetski somehow, or he’s alive and they planned it together, and David himself took off on the jetski and is far, far away (I’m leaning toward this because no one of any credibility saw or heard ANYTHING on the lake that day, and the fact that Tiffany does not grieve like a widow – also I do think the cops pulling them over spooked them and David decided he had better disappear because he was involved in something illegal and was in over his head). But whatever happened, it WAS planned. And whatever happened, a murder did NOT happen in the water as she says. I just don’t get the sense that he’s dead. MOO of course.
Mermaid14 says:
December 8, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Can’t help but notice that TH’s posts are getting further and further apart. When she first started the webpage, she was posting one every 2 to 3 days. It’s been a full week now since the last one. Looks like she’s getting bored with this too and ready to move on. Everything just cut and dried and tied up in a nice neat little package.
———
She is going getting ready to split:) IMO
http://www.tab.org/convention-and-trade-show/awards/current-winners/will-ripley/index.php
Aplogies if this shows up a bunch of times before mine… The Zetas are Will Ripley’s “beat” if you will… very interesting. This could mean so many things.
Big Rat. Big SMELLY rat.
Some good comments from Peter’s blog
Tish said…
Gonzalez replied, “It was human blood. It did belong to David Hartley.”
This is the second time Sigi has referred to it as ‘could be/was human blood’. Why say that? It’s unnessesary information. He also says that before he says it ‘belonged’ to David. Order is important. Why tell us it’s human first? If it’s David’s blood, we safely assume it’s human. I suspect it is not human blood.
Sanguine says…
Yes, Tish, order is important in SA – as I’m learning. I agree with you! Why add extra unnecessary words to report the so-called blood evidence on the vest? It would have been sufficient for the Sheriff to simply state “Based on lab results, the blood on the vest has been determined to be David Hartley’s blood”.
Was there ever a suspicion that the blood on the vest may have been animal blood? Not that I recall, and I’ve been following this case since it was first reported in the news. So, it makes no sense for him to preface a statement with “It was human blood.”
Also, I noted that the Sheriff spoke in the past tense about the blood:
“It was blood. It did belong to David Hartley.”
Here’s the thing:
It’s still blood, regardless of how much time has elapsed since it was shed, regardless of how it came to be on Tiffany Hartley’s life vest, and regardless of whether or not the victim is alive or deceased.
Also, it IS still David Hartley’s blood, for the same reason I just expressed (whether or not he is alive or deceased).
If this blood is evidence in a criminal investigation, it IS blood, and it does belong to the victim – not WAS, not DID.
IS and DOES.
Not WAS and DID.
I wonder why the Sheriff would phrase the existence of potential evidence in past tense terms?
Yo. If in fact they knew it was human blood, they knew it in the field test. I am repeating myself.
B
@Isfahan/Southern Mom,
Sounds to me like Sheriff Sigi needs a long stay in a Mexican Funny Farm. This story he has concocted is a complete fantasy. Confidential informants?? Well, they’re about 2 months too late! Where were they when this whole thing went down? And another thing, I noticed in at least 3 different MSM accounts they call the so called eyewitness “The Good Samaritan.” Did anybody else pick up on that? They ALL used the same term. Scripted. If letting someone use your cell phone is being a Good Samaritan then we have an over abundance of them. He did not participate in any kind of search or rescue. He saw no gunfire or perpetrators of any kind and said so, with the exception of supposedly one boat. And he was unwilling to be seen in anything but shadow and only allowed his voice to be used if it was disguised as well. Not exactly the Biblical interpretation.
Regarding Will Ripley,
Besides looking like he is all of 16 years old, I cannot say much except that he was probably hand picked to do this story and told exactly what to write and how to write it. No way could this kid even know the half of what he is writing about, he’s just too green. Also looks to be a bit of a self promotor not unlike the Sheriff.
@Madilu says:
December 10, 2010 at 4:21 am
I don’t believe this statement from Sheriff Sigi in any way whatsoever. I believe that the author, Will Ripley is not credible, I will have to look into him. Proof will be if his article catches on to MSM, and if they are the meticulous fact-checkers that they SHOULD BE, then…they will report FACTS.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Your wish is my keystroke command & it didn’t take too many strokes to put this article out on Twitter, TweetMeme, Newsvine, GoogleBuzz & Yahoo Buzz.. So out of the 5 sites I’m sure MSM will pick it up..
@ southern mom
re:
Gonzalez told CHANNEL 5 NEWS he got his information from confidential informants who told him David’s body and jet ski were destroyed and will never be found. When asked about the lab results on Tiffany’s blood-stained life vest, Gonzalez replied, “It was human blood. It did belong to David Hartley.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
wonder if the lab report on that ‘human blood’ will ever be made public ?
The sheriff created a fantasy story, because of the loss of Tourists. Tourism is down 70 percent since the incident, reportly.
No one with a half a brain would believe “his story”. IMO
Blink says…Yo. If in fact they knew it was human blood, they knew it in the field test. I am repeating myself.
B
I know Blink but you need to repeat…over and over and over…until it sinks in or people start taking notice. About that I have been sorely disappointed!
I wish you were repeating yourself on prime time television!
and Sheriff Sigi was tuning in!!!
Does anyone remember when Sheriff Sigi was singing the tune about the crime being perpetrated by “baby Zetas”, younger drug cartel members who were somehow careless and shot DH by mistake. He did say that on the record. What happened to THAT story, Sigi?
@Mermaid 14
And another thing, I noticed in at least 3 different MSM accounts they call the so called eyewitness “The Good Samaritan.” Did anybody else pick up on that? They ALL used the same term. Scripted. If letting someone use your cell phone is being a Good Samaritan then we have an over abundance of them. He did not participate in any kind of search or rescue. He saw no gunfire or perpetrators of any kind and said so, with the exception of supposedly one boat. And he was unwilling to be seen in anything but shadow and only allowed his voice to be used if it was disguised as well. Not exactly the Biblical interpretation.
I did too. I have never believed this “Good Samaritan” nonsense and have called him “so-called.” You are right. He didn’t do anything but hide and make this sorry, ridiculous law enforcement fiasco more preposterous. He is one of Gonzalez’ four “witnesses” to the fact that this story of TH is true. Another one is the suspect, herself. Give me a break.
If Sigi Gonzalez’ newest dissimulations don’t force the FBI to get involved, we are in for more bizarre fiction.
This pathetic excuse for a sheriff has only shown that Tiffany Hartley’s story can’t be true, since her vest would have been soaked with blood and brain tissue. It wasn’t, and he gave back evidence to be shown to MSM; so what can he say, but some stupid, meaningless thing? He screwed up badly with that vest and I don’t think he is too dumb to know that.
He has dug himself in very deep, and keeps digging himself in deeper with his latest on the “two or four suspects,” and “destroyed body and jet ski.”
Didn’t Mexican authorities recently find a badly decomposed body in a “narcograve”? You’d think the sheriff would have waited to see.
Looks like the only ones who have “picked up” on the latest Sigi fantasy are Will Ripley, Will Ripley’s Tweet Page, and TH BDH web page. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. I bet it won’t go any farther either, probably because Fox, Cnn, and the rest have figured out this story has huge holes.
I have been on many many blogs reading about others discussing this story and I would say about 80 percent of the posters on them believe the story is bogus.
Was a police report filed on September 30? I have seen no paperwork.
TIA
nana2 says:
December 10, 2010 at 4:35 pm
@ southern mom
re:
Gonzalez told CHANNEL 5 NEWS he got his information from confidential informants who told him David’s body and jet ski were destroyed and will never be found. When asked about the lab results on Tiffany’s blood-stained life vest, Gonzalez replied, “It was human blood. It did belong to David Hartley.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
wonder if the lab report on that ‘human blood’ will ever be made public ?
——————-
Was her Life Vest really in the Lab?
“The Freedom of Information Act” may dig up the truth. I find this case Eerie, with the “make believe” test on the vest. IMO.
Nope, it is an open and combined Federal jurisdiction case. FOIA will not apply.
B
Seriously even if there was a dab of davids blood on the back of her life jacket, how hard would that be to put on someone, maybe prick a finger put some blood on there viola! Now stick with the story I was behind you when I got shot, The rest you can ad lib. Seems pretty easy to me.
@
Mermaid14 says:
December 13, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Looks like the only ones who have “picked up” on the latest Sigi fantasy are Will Ripley, Will Ripley’s Tweet Page, and TH BDH web page. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. I bet it won’t go any farther either, probably because Fox, Cnn, and the rest have figured out this story has huge holes.
I have been on many many blogs reading about others discussing this story and I would say about 80 percent of the posters on them believe the story is bogus.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I appears that you are correct MSM has dropped this story like the old hot potato.. The midterms are over & everyone’s gone back to their day jobs if they have one..