Murder In Mexico: Tiffany Hartley Endures 16 Hours Of Interviews In David Hartley Death
..” I have nothing to hide. I Have ABSOLUTELY nothing to hide..”
Tiffany Hartley emerged on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 yesterday after her 16th hour of interviews at the Mexican Consulate in McAllen, Texas.
Hartley recounted the events of September 30, ending with the alleged murder of her husband David. Ms. Hartley gave both new testimony and confirmed her previous statements according to reports from the Mexican Attorney General and Ms. Hartley herself, without the presence of an attorney.
According to several statements from Hartley, David was shot “off his jet ski” while the couple was returning from the Mexican side of Falcon Lake, where they briefly took pictures of the historic church on Old Guerrerro. Neither David Hartley nor his Sea Doo watercraft have been recovered.
One of the most baffling aspect of the case, is the fact that Ms. Hartley claims the pair were shot at at as they were driving their jet skis away from alleged “pirates” they both waved a friendly hello to, seconds before. Tiffany Hartley was uninjured in the attack, and her jet ski was not hit in the gunfire. Although media was alerted last week that tests on a possible blood source on Tiffany’s life vest were due back that afternoon, we were quickly told there would be no updates about the possible blood evidence at this time.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime Editor spoke with Chuck Smith, owner Smith Marina USA about specifics of the Sea Doo RXT.
..Your correct, the RXT has a chip in the starter that is electronically programmed to “match” the owners lanyard key. If he was wearing the lanyard, whether attached to his vest, or in some cases the arm, and he was thrown off the ski, it activates a kill switch and will not start without the key it is programmed to without a factory reprogramming, which of course, one would need the paperwork for. In short, no matter what, they would need his key to start it.
Blink Question: What if he was not attached to the key, and he was shot and flew off the unit “in motion”, this would not shut the engine off, correct?
CS: Correct. The ski would continue in the direction the handlebars were pointing and continue to throttle in that direction.
Blink: How hard are these models to sink?
CS: Virtually impossible. I have never actually heard of, or seen one, sink to the bottom. The way the Coast Guard standards are now with these, they have hulls similar to boats.
Blink: Could enough bullet holes sink it? What about if the contiuum– could that have caused it to flip? Could anyone right it?
CS: No, not unless we are talking morter rounds. I guess in theory an automatic weapon could put enough holes cut it in half if that was the goal, but again, your still going to see shards of fiberglass all over the water, remnants similar to a boat accident or crash. Again, under these circumstances, I don’t see how he could flip it, but if it were, again, harder to see because the bottom is black, but any SAR or Coast Guard deployment knows what abnormalities to look for on the water surface. It would be next to impossible to “right it” in deep water. It would be more likely they would drag it to shallow water.
Blink: Is this chop-shoppable?
CS: Absolutely. There is some after factory devices, similar to lo jack, but the engine and parts are expensive and could easily be sold that way.
Blink: He was wearing a PFD I. In your opinion is that keeping him afloat until he is located if he was left in the water?
CS: Absolutely, unless it was removed, or he and the vest were removed from the water, he would be floating, yes.
As announced this morning on Dana Pretzer commentary, Blink, Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com will be discussing the Hartley case this evening live at 9PM EST on Scared Monkeys The Dana Pretzer Show.
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What I keep coming back to in my head, is that a Mexican investigator was beheaded, in large measure, due to TD’s (IMO scam) story. How can she (& her husband) live w/ that knowledge? When the Hartley Scam is exposed, the investigator’s family will want the Hartleys’ heads.
Please watch Tiffany’s response when Nikki speaks, towards to end of the enterview. The paragraph (below) is Nikki’s words, while Tiffany puts her elbow up to the right of her face, as to cover her face, she just couldn’t not bear hearing these words.
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/transcript/her-own-words-wife-missing-jet-skier-recalls-alleged-attack-texas-mexico-border
NIKKI HARTLEY, SISTER OF MISSING JET SKIER: We don’t believe it for a minute. We believe everything that we have heard from Tiffany. We’ve never doubted that and we stand behind her 120 percent more than we can say there was never a question or thought that ever crossed our mind and it never will.
My theory? She got scared and took off without looking back. Maybe she came up with the whole version of the death and Jesus revelation to make it look like she didn’t panic and leave her husband alone with pirates. I’m not saying that is the right thing to do but there is that survival/flight vs. fight response that can take over.
I’m just not surprised that the “pirates” or whatever would get violent. My husband works for Customs & Border Protection and gets daily emails with pictures of what is happening in Mexico. He says it is absolutely horrific – these cartels have zero value for human life. We cancelled a vacation because we just felt it’s better to stay away right now.
I agree that her story doesn’t add up but I’m just not jumping on the bandwagon that she plotted and killed her husband yet.
More violence near the border:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/10/23/mexico-dead-massacre-ciudad-juarez-party/
comments:
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
Anonymous said…
Blaze: From your denver channel post:
Hartley said she’s looking forward to relaxing on her family’s 20-acre Weld County ranch, but will do television talk show appearances to keep the story alive.
“Being here in Colorado, you guys are, you’re going to be my way to get my voice out,” Hartley said.
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comments:
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
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Momma is going to put Tiffany to work, on the 20-acre ranch, if it truly exists.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16418855
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President Barack Obama.”He should wake up and look at what’s going on in our backyard,”
David is not the only American who has been killed, but his situation may be a turning point”
I am ready for the challenge. I don’t want his death to have been in vain.
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Wonder if there are any comments similiar to this on the FB Memorial page?
ALSO: She was questioned for 16 hours by Mexican authorities. “Here they can’t have access to me.” TH Said.
Ummm…somebody appears to be scared/worried. BUT you’d think she would want to be available,to further help with info/data in getting David home or found. Oh wait…I forgot…she already told them EVERYTHING they needed. She told them everything she knows. (Brain cache folders have been deleted?) SNARK
Sunday, October 24, 2010
Hartley Seeks To Limit Mexican Access
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
[snip]
Tiffany Hartley’s self importance will likely be her undoing. As she has elevated her husband’s murder to a story of national importance, she now believes that it is a “turning point” for drug violence in America.
[snip]
Andy, I think you make a strong point for not reading too much into TH’s grieving behavior. (October 23, 2010 at 8:24 pm)
http://cbs4denver.com/news/tiffany.hartley.david.2.1978094
Oct 24, 2010 1:16 pm
US/Mountain Hartley To Raise Awareness About Border Violence
[snip]
Tiffany says she wants to keep this story in the news. She will soon be appearing on several national talk shows to continue telling David’s story.
[snip]
crimesolver says:
October 24, 2010 at 3:52 pm
ALSO: She was questioned for 16 hours by Mexican authorities. “Here they can’t have access to me.” TH Said.
Ummm…somebody appears to be scared/worried. BUT you’d think she would want to be available,to further help with info/data in getting David home or found. Oh wait…I forgot…she already told them EVERYTHING they needed. She told them everything she knows. (Brain cache folders have been deleted?) SNARK
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Crimestopper,
She is playing, “Catch me, Catch me, if you can”! They will.
Thanks for posting this crimesolver:
crimesolver says:
October 23, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Note that this is not an official “witness statement” but of an unidentified male recalling what he had seen for the media.
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1010/04/cnr.08.html
Lee, thank you for giving us that perspective about the size of Zapata ect-
S.H- thanks for posting s.oriley’s link.
crimesolver – thanks for posting and I agree this is a strange quote:
She was questioned for 16 hours by Mexican authorities. “Here they can’t have access to me.” TH Said.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16418855
Mom3, per the witness transcript…there are so many comments that really stick out as being pre-meditated. I almost don’t want to list/debate anything anymore…any time she speaks to the media, it’s almost like she gives us too much info. As if she has read blogs and comes up with something to say that will counter-react comments that she has seen.
One thing that puzzles though…the witness stating “making my weekly rounds.” Can anyone think of any other profession that uses that “slang” besides doctors or SHERIFF/POLICE? (Making my rounds.)
Pt 2 to above…and witness just got home from work. (2:00) Thank goodness he decided to check the plants at that special time, day, place…and that TH came to his location. Oh wait…God/George made that happen…sorry. SNARK.
Per this witness, we really can’t say that he was telling the truth about what part of the lake she was coming from. Hoping/betting that maybe there were other fishermen who saw her…have now contacted the Feds, and that this info is being kept on the down-low, to be used against her later.
Being a photo lover, I started thinking about the large framed photo of David at the memorial. How long does it take to make one of those these days? And framed so nicely? (Maybe it was a poster=quick print) But then I wondered if maybe it was a photo that was printed/framed months before the accident…and she could have used the excuse that is was one of her favorite shots of David…when she had it made. The memorial was on a Tuesday, they must have really started organizing it EARLY after Thursday/accident. Anyone remember the date she told MSM that she indeed knew he was dead and didn’t survive the gunshot? (Which is why I was puzzled that she didn’t ask the witness to go back and help her.) On the news, she acted like NOBODY could cross over….but weren’t there fishermen going and coming that day.
12.crimesolver says:
October 24, 2010 at 8:02 pm
“One thing that puzzles though…the witness stating “making my weekly rounds.” Can anyone think of any other profession that uses that “slang” besides doctors or SHERIFF/POLICE? (Making my rounds.)”
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Maybe, he has rental property.
1.Loca says:
October 24, 2010 at 1:40 pm
What I keep coming back to in my head, is that a Mexican investigator was beheaded, in large measure, due to TD’s (IMO scam) story. How can she (& her husband) live w/ that knowledge? When the Hartley Scam is exposed, the investigator’s family will want the Hartleys’ heads.
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And the business’s near the lake are hurting now too. Guess this could really hurt the whole town.
Mom3.0 says:
October 24, 2010 at 7:03 pm
You are gracious, Mom.
Tiffany does not know about extradition, LOL.
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http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
If Mexican investigators are able to bring forth evidence showing that she was involved in the slaying of her husband, they could ask for extradition.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
(The paragraph is abt. ten percent, downward on the link)
I was browsing the web to see if I could the original photo that was cropped/used at DH memorial. Look at these links, the name/place really blew my mind…but no time to pursue researching the Bermuda Hartley name “possible relationship” to the Colorado Hartleys.
Hartley’s Undersea Walk – Nassau, Bahamas (Two websites)
http://www.underseawalk.com/
http://www.hartleybermuda.com/
FORGOT TO ADD THIS:
Hartley’s Undersea Walk has been known as , Deep Sea Diving Cruises, (15 ft) Helmet Diving, Hardhat Diving, Bell Diving, Undersea Adventure, Underwater Walk and Underwater Wonderland.
Crimesolver- Hello-
Yes, I know what you mean about not wanting to comment/speculate on anything further regarding Tiffany and her interviews/accounts-
I agree- She is NOT helping herself by continuing to give these interviews. She always seems to say something that makes people sit up and say- What? Seriously?
I know Blink sAid that the DNA results were supposed to be back- and released on the vest- but I have seen nothing more…
I realize that she spent almost 16 hrs with investigators- and then she zoom was out of there.
Are we the only ones that are continuing to search for the answers to what happened to David and Tiffany on Falcon Lake?-
Is there even an investigation anymore? I am really wondering about this- Especially after Tiffany’s quote saying : Here they can’t have access to me-(Was she referring to Mexican authorities or the pirates?)
Are they going to resume the search? Are they going to question Tiffany further? Or is everyone taking Tiffany’s advice- and moving on? Except us?
P.S
That witness statement is very informative- I agree- Lots of weirdness.
What is with Tiffany explaining to this guy over and over again that they weren’t doing anything bad?– “I went ahead right away and started dialing 911 as she got off the jet ski. She kept explaining to me that all they were doing was taking pictures. They weren’t doing anything wrong out there, just taking pictures when”
As a mom that reminds me of the time my son went outside- when he was supposed to be doing his homework- and then saying but really I wasn’t doing anything – only to find out later they were playing kickball with the neighbor kids and the ball went through the neighbors flower bed- flattening it-
As to your question of who says “doing rounds”- IME security guards say that, people who work in security.
*meant to say my son and the ball ran through the flower bed…
12.crimesolver says:
October 24, 2010 at 8:02 pm
“One thing that puzzles though…the witness stating “making my weekly rounds.” Can anyone think of any other profession that uses that “slang” besides doctors or SHERIFF/POLICE? (Making my rounds.)”
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Maybe, he has rental property.
He also mentioned in the interview that he had vacated the house he was checking on.
Maybe this has been asked…but I just noticed that David Hartley was adding friends on facebook on October 2nd? This is one of the friends that he added….
http://www.facebook.com/#!/Mandie1982?v=wall
The Timeline?
Do the Blink followers have timeline for David and Tiffany, please?
Thank-you
We need humor in Tiffanys story and this must be it!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1323468/Tiffany-Hartley-widow-man-killed-Mexican-pirates-says-Obama-wake-up.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz13MR4b2l9
Widow of man killed by Mexican pirates says Obama should ‘wake up an look at what’s going on in our backyard’
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 8:06 AM on 25th October 2010
Wake-up call: Tiffany Hartley outside her family home in LaSalle, Colorado, where she spoke to the media today…
Tiffany Hartley, whose husband was shot while the two were fleeing from Mexican pirates on jet skis earlier this month, said the attack should be an example for President Barack Obama on the need for more border security.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1323468/Tiffany-Hartley-widow-man-killed-Mexican-pirates-says-Obama-wake-up.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz13MR4b2l9
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/10/ongoing-impact-of-deception.html
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A person who fabricates reality, rather than just editing a story, is a rare liar. Everyone edits. (If they didn’t edit, a story would have no end) Many will edit deceptively in order to maintain a comfort level for themselves.
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Perfect explaination to TH’s statements/story that seem “off.” Just a few that have come to mind:
* She was questioned for 16 hours by Mexican authorities. “Here they can’t have access to me.” {Maybe/hopefully she is being questioned behind the scenes by the US LE and she wants us/them to perceive that she is not scared and running from US LE. Knows that we’ll buy/pity/support the MEX LE version because of the border politics. REMEMBER, she told the MSM that she did not feel intimidated or interrogated when interviewed by MEX LE}
*Earlier story about “fishermen waving.” {Maybe TH & DH were seen by fishermen and she knew she had to add it in to her story. Or she needs a scenerio that would indicate that they perceived it “safe” to supposedly go on to the church.}
Wonder what version of this tragedy she has given to family & friends? Bet she gave them a “secret, nobody must know” version that makes/indicates DH was doing something illegal…but that they must protect the family name/privacy and also honor DH’s reputation. Family/friends probably think they have the “insider story” and that the MSM and blogs just don’t have all of the facts.
I find it interesting how evil Ms. Hartley has become to many here, without any new evidence. I fully expect to hear that Tiffany killed David because they were harboring Kyron Harmon in Mexico and David was going to call the cops.
What we know:
1)David and Tiffany travelled to the lake and were pulled over by the cops
2)David hasn’t been seen since.
3)Tiffany’s description of events cannot be 100% factually true.
That is all we know for certain. We don’t know their financial situation, we don’t even KNOW if David had life insurance.
Tiffany likely didn’t cause the Mexican cop’s death. He was killed because either: 1) he named real suspects (Tiffany was telling the truth) or 2) he made up suspects (In which case he brought it on himself).
Jet skiers, unlike motorcyclists, do not travel together in tight packs. It is quite likely that David and Tiffany were quite far apart when The Event happened. In such a situation, Tiffany could witness her husbands shooting and high-tail it out of there before the bad guys could catch up with her. To those who say that “I would have gone in and brought my husbands corpse back with me” – Do you really know what you would do with bullets flying around your head, especially if you know your husband is already dead? It is extremely unlikely that anyone is going to write in and say she did do that, because she would most likely be dead.
As for the inconsistencies, I have taken care of enough trauma victims to know that the original version of events is almost always revised once the adrenaline rush wears off.
Most worrisome, is the political angle of this case. Some posters seem upset that Tiffany has criticized Mr. Obama, and this has colored their thinking. The politics are a side-show in this event, and likely has little or nothing to do with this case.
There may be much more to the story, but there is little EVIDENCE that Tiffany is involved in a crime or scam.
Respectfully, there is little-r evidence that Mr. Hartley is even deceased.
B
GraceintheHills says:
October 24, 2010 at 1:09 pm
I just wanted to add, that having watched most of Tiffany’s video interviews, it appears to me that her affect is growing more somber and depressed over time…
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Grace it takes a genius to remember lies. She is no genius.
Lieing is stressful,she makes up stories as she speaks, LOL.
For examples, LOL, she told Greta (Fox) that she had one hand on the
ski, one hand on David, plus, she was in the water! She likes to embellish her answers.
Tiffany has an ocean mouth, California is the perfect place for her.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/10/tiffany-hartley-just-getting-started.html
Monday, October 25, 2010
Tiffany Hartley: Just Getting Started
Tiffany Hartley appears to be just getting started on her new career.
We will continue to post each appearance and analyze her statements for deception as well as indicators of guilt.
So will Mexican authorities.
How wise is it to insult the President of the United States?
Tiffany Hartley will likely learn the answer to this question
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/10/tiffany-hartley-just-getting-started.html
May I add, please, “Loose Lips Sink ships”. TH will sink her own ship.
Blink,
When was the LAST time Tiffany, voted in a Presidential election?
Can we check to see if TH voted in the last eight years? If you are out of the USA you can still vote by absentee.
This should be public record, IDK about to access, if there is a way
to find out her voting record:)
Thank-you,
PS. American’s don’t like having their minds, poisoned, by rubbish,
this is why, the Amercian public, seems to find a distaste for her.
Respectfully B….there never will be any evidence that David Hartley is dead because the Zetas took care of that in a nanosecond after he was killed. What truly amazes me is that there have been MANY such incidents over the last few years that people who don’t live in the border paid little or no attention to because it did not/does not directly affect them. Why has this incident been “hand plucked” from all of those incidents and spotlighted as something other than what it is? The fact is, the cartels in Mexico slaughter innocent Mexicans and Americans every single day. I guess no one who believes that this is some kind of murder conspiracy perpetrated by Tiffany Hartley will be satisfied until Tiffany Hartley’s head is discovered impaled on a stick in their front yard.
Respectfully lee-
If this occurred as she says, do you have any idea how difficult it would be to walk away from a crime scene without so much as a shard or shred of evidence of any kind?
B
Blink,
I agree with you, and it seems strange to me that they would have a memorial service so soon for DH when at this point isn’t he still listed as just a missing person? TH is the only person saying he died!
@Mom3.0 – It may be that Tiffany has changed her story for innocent reasons…What if they let her go with a promise of -you better not say what happened- what if they took David- prisoner?- what if he is alive and being tortured? What if they are blackmailing her? What if they want her to spy on her country? Tiffany may be too scared to tell the whole truth- maybe that is why her story and most of the details of that story continue to change..
Maybe she has done nothing wrong- and she has been warned to keep quiet- or her beloved husband dies-
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Nah. The same grief that is missing for a dead husband is also missing for a captured husband. If David is alive, he’s not captured, he’s hiding. IMOO
16.S.H. says:
October 24, 2010 at 8:30 pm
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
If Mexican investigators are able to bring forth evidence showing that she was involved in the slaying of her husband, they could ask for extradition.
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Pondering…tossing my thoughts around to be solved.
*Maybe she KNOWS there is NO evidence to be found? (if DH alive) *Also, why is TH not concerned about the cartel “shutting her up.” Afterall, any bad PR she throws their way is not good for their bottom line.
*If I were in her shoes…I’d be deathly afraid of having to serve jailtime in the MEX prisons/jail. (I believe he is alive.)
GraceintheHills says:
October 24, 2010 at 1:09 pm
I just wanted to add, that having watched most of Tiffany’s video interviews, it appears to me that her affect is growing more somber and depressed over time…
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http://cbs4denver.com/news/tiffany.hartley.david.2.1978094.html
Look at TH’s dilated pupils in this video footage…she may be medicated. Though to be fair, I haven’t kept up with all of the recent footage. MOO
@Andy,
It is not just about TH’s demeanor or appearing to be lacking emotion and grief.
It is mostly that her story keeps CHANGING! That is what has really raised the red flags.
The fact that in the first dozen or so interviews over several weeks she says her husband’s main wound was in the head.
Then, switch to being questioned by the FBI and Mexican officials, the main wound changes positions.
Surely anyone would be skeptical of her account after that. But, as always and unfortunately our mainstream media just lets it breeze by.
30.lee says:
October 25, 2010 at 11:37 am
Respectfully B….there never will be any evidence that David Hartley is dead because the Zetas took care of that in a nanosecond after he was killed. What truly amazes me is that there have been MANY such incidents over the last few years that people who don’t live in the border paid little or no attention to because it did not/does not directly affect them. Why has this incident been “hand plucked” from all of those incidents and spotlighted as something other than what it is? The fact is, the cartels in Mexico slaughter innocent Mexicans and Americans every single day. I guess no one who believes that this is some kind of murder conspiracy perpetrated by Tiffany Hartley will be satisfied until Tiffany Hartley’s head is discovered impaled on a stick in their front yard.
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Exactly why TH is using this agenda to confuse everyone with the facts of her stories. Any controversial agenda causes knee jerk reactions and emotional responses. IMPORTANT facts are then easily overlooked.
Lee, don’t just assume that the facts/incidents over the last few years are unknown. What results do you want? Townfolks/citizens can’t take the Cartel on ourselves…it takes CONGRESSMEN/politics/legislature to bring everything to light/solve. Also, TH’s case was HANDPLUCKED because she made sure it was…see previous comments we have made on the BOC site. SPECIFICALLY:
10/05/10
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/family_of_alleged_falcon_lake_victim_says_its_time_to_speak_out_104360539.html?c=y&page=1#storytop
-snip PG 2-
“They need to have a realization, a wake-up call. … We need to get people down here. We need to get our Army and military and whoever. We need to double our Border Patrol and take back the lake. Why in the heck do they have that lake? They have most of that lake.”
ChiaPet517 says October 25, 2010 at 11:51 am
Hi Chia-
I agree with you -I was trying to play devil’s advocate- with a little snark thrown in- I guess I failed…
But seriously I do not understand why so many seem to blindly believe Tiffany’s account’s despite ALL of the contradictions/discrepancies simply because they have first hand knowledge of how dangerous the border/Mexico?cartels are- ect-
Don’t they realize that David and Tiffany had this knowledge too- and if they wanted to, they could have used this knowledge to fabricate the whole story?
I am not saying that Tiffany Hartley killed her husband or that David and she are scamming people- or that the cartel could have captured David- and he may be alive-
What I am saying is that given the evidence or LACK thereof- at this point anything is possible-
p.s
Dear- GeorgiaDad- Hello- no one on this board is politically motivated, in my opinion only- In fact many of us would really appreciate if Tiffany and every politician that wants to glob on to her tragedy – would STOP trying to make this into a political issue.
TimeLine of event’s reported in media:
David and Tiffany have lunch at subway- time unknown
11:30 a.m.- David and Tiffany pulled over by DPS troopers in Rio Grande City
2:30 p.m.- Attack occured on David and Tiffany
2:45 p.m.- Tiffany tell’s good Samaritan her husband was shot in the head by pirate’s.
I can not find anywhere the time the 911 call was made!
@ Lee-
This story is being focused on because TH is enjoying her 15 min of fame and appearing on every show that will take her (and for whatever reason not question her ridiculous, ever changing story).
@ lee says:
October 25, 2010 at 11:37 am
Sorry, but I have to stick my 2 cents in on this & paraphrase the words LE generally uses ‘there has been no hard evidence that a crime has been committed in this case’ and ‘adults can choose how & where they go & live so they can go MIA out of their own choosing because they are adults’.. IMO DH is just missing person & again IMO there is no hard evidence to suggest he is dead except words to that effect..
re your comment:
” Why has this incident been “hand plucked” from all of those incidents and spotlighted as something other than what it is “?
My response to that comment is because TH has forced it to be spotlighted & it wasn’t ‘hand plucked’ until she chose to do all of her televised interviews & her news statements on ‘this is a border issue’ mantra..
B…
What makes you think that the Zetas don’t know how to effectively clean up a crime scene?
snipped:http://www.narconews.com/Issue37/article1305.html
Depending on which press reports you read, the Zetas were either trained at Fort Bragg or the School of the Americas in the United States to serve in a special forces unit in the Mexican military. But the allure of money in the narco-trafficking business caused them to turn their special powers to the dark side.
Well, as with most mainstream media scripts on the drug war, the real story behind the Zetas is a bit more complicated. Narco News interviewed several former and current high-ranking DEA and Department of Homeland Security officials to get the straight scoop.
Here’s what we were told.
First, the Zetas are a very amorphous group that started out from a core of Mexican special forces defectors who over time have either recruited or trained additional members. But make no mistake about it; the Zetas are very good at what they do. One former DEA official says they are “better than the Secret Service.”
“In terms of weapons, communications, perimeter control and security, these guys are very good,” he adds.
A major reason for their “professionalism” in this area is that many of the Zetas have received some specialized military or other tactical training from U.S. agencies, including from the DEA, FBI and U.S. military.
A former DEA officials who worked extensively south of the border during his career explains:
“A lot of the Zetas came from former Mexican police offices or the military, and some are even students from universities in Texas that work part time with the Zetas to provide security. So they come from a diverse background. Some of them have prior training from the DEA, FBI and the U.S. military, as well as other agencies. We go to great lengths to assure they are not engaged in criminal activity before training them, but later on they can be lured into drug business by the money. It happens … And they (the Zetas) are very organized and have recruiters, who are out constantly bringing in new people and training them.”
That means the Zetas understand U.S. and Mexican government strategy in the drug war, and they are equipped, thanks to the money inherent in the narco-trafficking trade, to carry out sophisticated surveillance, security and assassination assignments.
According to U.S. law enforcement officials, the Zetas are a true mercenary force that will work for the highest bidder.
Remember, I am basing my opinion on the testimony of the only known eye witness in this case.
I dont care how efficient they may be at cleaning a crime scene. The bulk of the crime scene ( Tiffany) who alleges she handled a mortally wounded man after fleeing from gunfire which she managed to completely evade, does not so far, have a cell out of place. I do not buy it.
B
Respectfully, GeorgiaDad, what is worrisome to me is not so much that Tiffany is criticizing our president, but that she is bringing politics into her tragic (but made up, in my opinion) story. What would you like to see happen in regards to this case? Move the Mexican/U.S. border? TH and DH knowingly and willingly crossed far over into dangerous Mexican waters and now she is crying out for border security.
It makes no sense to me how the two are related. If TH and DH were attacked on the U.S. side by Mexican pirates, whom TH cannot describe at all, then this would be an entirely different story.
I understand that there are big problems at our southern border and you can criticize both sides all you want for all I care. But to bring in politics with this story is just bizarre to me.
Peace
@ S.H. says:
October 25, 2010 at 5:11 am
The Timeline?
Do the Blink followers have timeline for David and Tiffany, please?
Thank-you
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I believe one of Blink’s readers/contributors was kind enough to post a time line in the prior Hartley article..
Mom3.0 says:
October 24, 2010 at 10:19 pm
Crimesolver- Hello-
I know Blink sAid that the DNA results were supposed to be back- and released on the vest- but I have seen nothing more…
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
It was probably, Ketchup on her Vest!! LOL.
Extradition — I’ve been reading up on extradition to Mexico. Although the US and Mexico have an extradition treaty, it is NOT a simple process. Mexico has to issue an arrest warrant and send it to the US State Dept. Then US officials have to examine the evidence and determine if there is indeed probable cause and ONLY AFTER THEY AGREE THAT THERE IS SOLID EVIDENCE WILL THEY EXTRADITE THE US CITIZEN TO MEXICO.
Do you remember the case in April 2010 of the Survivor producer who allegedly killed his wife in Cancun, Mexico? Bruce Beresford-Redman somehow came back to the US in May (he was told not to leave Mexico and passport was taken by Mexican officials). Then in June an arrest warrant for murder was issued by Mexican officials and sent to the US State department. He has lawyered up and they are appealing the extradition by saying that Mexican officials improperly handled the evidence.
Andrew Luster.
And he was loaded.
B
I believe Mr. Redman is still a free man today (correct me if I am wrong) because the US has not approved the extradition. Experts say the legal challenges will take a minimum of 9 months. It’s possible that he will never be extradited, even though allegedly there is a lot of solid evidence in this case.
I know a system of checks and balances is necessary, but I can’t help but wonder if someone was aware of this loophole. Could someone with a lot of time on their hands read up the Survivor producer and how he has managed to avoid extradition? Just a theory…my humble opinions only.
@ crimesolver says:
October 25, 2010 at 11:55 am
Pondering…tossing my thoughts around to be solved.
*Maybe she KNOWS there is NO evidence to be found? (if DH alive) *Also, why is TH not concerned about the cartel “shutting her up.” Afterall, any bad PR she throws their way is not good for their bottom line.
*If I were in her shoes…I’d be deathly afraid of having to serve jailtime in the MEX prisons/jail. (I believe he is alive.)
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Of course she knows there is no body that’s why she keeps asking for it because it can’t be produced which will create more issues for the government.. JMO
The longer they go without finding a body, the more I believe that she is telling the truth….the cartels are proud to leave a calling card when they murder the “enemy”, but not so much when they make a mistake.
…on another note, I saw this in the “Borderland Beat”….I have not heard anything on the news about this one.
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2010/10/texas-national-guardsman-slain-in.html
For those that believe DH is alive and in hiding…as part of a “scam” or other reasons, I would like to know more about your theories. I can’t believe TH would welcome and encourage so much media attention continuously from DAY ONE if this were a possibility. She certainly could have stopped this, saying it was too hard, too sad, asking to be left alone to grieve, etc. She wouldn’t be garnering and creating world wide media attention “splashing” pics of DH all over the airwaves and internet if he were alive and could be identified/found. MOO
Prayers for the Hartley family.
@Blink
Respectfully lee-
If this occurred as she says, do you have any idea how difficult it would be to walk away from a crime scene without so much as a shard or shred of evidence of any kind?
B
I agree with you Blink “if this occured as she says”. BUT – Wouldn’t it be feasible for her to be without evidence if she left DH behind fleeing ahead of the perps on the much faster jetski to save herself. I think she looked back and saw he was shot and could see a large (exit) wound in his forehead as he was falling (not thrown) from his jetski and chose not to go back to save him. I think her own guilt in leaving him behind to die prompted her to fabricate the “rest of the story”.
Prayers for the Hartley family.
6.crimesolver says:
October 24, 2010 at 3:52 pm
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16418855
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President Barack Obama.”He should wake up and look at what’s going on in our backyard,”
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Help me understand this, Blinksters. She wants the president to help her find her husband, but she insults him.
Good grief.