Murder In Mexico: Tiffany Hartley Endures 16 Hours Of Interviews In David Hartley Death
..” I have nothing to hide. I Have ABSOLUTELY nothing to hide..”
Tiffany Hartley emerged on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 yesterday after her 16th hour of interviews at the Mexican Consulate in McAllen, Texas.
Hartley recounted the events of September 30, ending with the alleged murder of her husband David. Ms. Hartley gave both new testimony and confirmed her previous statements according to reports from the Mexican Attorney General and Ms. Hartley herself, without the presence of an attorney.
According to several statements from Hartley, David was shot “off his jet ski” while the couple was returning from the Mexican side of Falcon Lake, where they briefly took pictures of the historic church on Old Guerrerro. Neither David Hartley nor his Sea Doo watercraft have been recovered.
One of the most baffling aspect of the case, is the fact that Ms. Hartley claims the pair were shot at at as they were driving their jet skis away from alleged “pirates” they both waved a friendly hello to, seconds before. Tiffany Hartley was uninjured in the attack, and her jet ski was not hit in the gunfire. Although media was alerted last week that tests on a possible blood source on Tiffany’s life vest were due back that afternoon, we were quickly told there would be no updates about the possible blood evidence at this time.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime Editor spoke with Chuck Smith, owner Smith Marina USA about specifics of the Sea Doo RXT.
..Your correct, the RXT has a chip in the starter that is electronically programmed to “match” the owners lanyard key. If he was wearing the lanyard, whether attached to his vest, or in some cases the arm, and he was thrown off the ski, it activates a kill switch and will not start without the key it is programmed to without a factory reprogramming, which of course, one would need the paperwork for. In short, no matter what, they would need his key to start it.
Blink Question: What if he was not attached to the key, and he was shot and flew off the unit “in motion”, this would not shut the engine off, correct?
CS: Correct. The ski would continue in the direction the handlebars were pointing and continue to throttle in that direction.
Blink: How hard are these models to sink?
CS: Virtually impossible. I have never actually heard of, or seen one, sink to the bottom. The way the Coast Guard standards are now with these, they have hulls similar to boats.
Blink: Could enough bullet holes sink it? What about if the contiuum– could that have caused it to flip? Could anyone right it?
CS: No, not unless we are talking morter rounds. I guess in theory an automatic weapon could put enough holes cut it in half if that was the goal, but again, your still going to see shards of fiberglass all over the water, remnants similar to a boat accident or crash. Again, under these circumstances, I don’t see how he could flip it, but if it were, again, harder to see because the bottom is black, but any SAR or Coast Guard deployment knows what abnormalities to look for on the water surface. It would be next to impossible to “right it” in deep water. It would be more likely they would drag it to shallow water.
Blink: Is this chop-shoppable?
CS: Absolutely. There is some after factory devices, similar to lo jack, but the engine and parts are expensive and could easily be sold that way.
Blink: He was wearing a PFD I. In your opinion is that keeping him afloat until he is located if he was left in the water?
CS: Absolutely, unless it was removed, or he and the vest were removed from the water, he would be floating, yes.
As announced this morning on Dana Pretzer commentary, Blink, Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com will be discussing the Hartley case this evening live at 9PM EST on Scared Monkeys The Dana Pretzer Show.
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@ChiaPet:
In defense of Anderson Cooper, he was the first one that I saw that actually came right out and asked TH if she would be willing to take a polygraph. And of course her non-answer was, “well the sheriff doesn’t think I need to.”
My brothers thoughts on GS witness…
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Could GS be security or yardman/maintenance for park/lake patrol? Per my earlier comments about what ramp/ramps they used…maybe then he’d be able to report to TH which of the ramps were deserted (no witness to see launch) Is there security cameras at the ramps? If so, could they have been tampered with..to fit their story?
crimesolver-
IMO she is a wackjob. Definite political angle. Whether its just a good cover story or part of some kind of agenda anyway. Wow!
Christy says:
October 26, 2010 at 10:19 am
@S.H.,
So if there is a unverified man at the beach, are you saying the poster said DH wasn’t there at all?
Tiffany was on The Tiday show this morning! Unbelievable!! Meridith asked her looking back what would she have done differently? I know what my answer would be, not go! This was not TH’s response, she said “get to know the local’s a little more and found out more about the area they were going to! What? I don’t understand why this woman keep’s talking! We all know they knew it was dangerous and that they even had a plan in case something went wrong. She really should quit talking because this is why nobody believe’s what she said happened
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Christy,
Thank-you, very much, on your knowledge, on the many steps it takes just to unload and launch. The boat knowledge is also helpful, we don’t know what the unvertified guy had as a watercraft or not.
Rats, I need to look for the poster, it was a few days, ago, on BOC.
The poster said, the man on the beach with her was not DH, BUT, it is unverified.
The poster did not say anything about anyone else on the beach. I take it two people on Beach, her and unvertified guy.
Thank-you for your kindness for posting the timeline.
Blink,
I hope you won’t mind me reposting “Packleaders” post, because,
it is interesting, the last paragraph, unvertified. T.Y.
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Christy says:
October 26, 2010 at 10:19 am
@S.H.,
So if there is a unverified man at the beach, are you saying the poster said DH wasn’t there at all?
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PackLeader5 says:
October 23, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Mom 3.0: So- how did the Sheriff take charge of this investigation? Why didnt the federal officers arrive and take the Sheriff off the case immediately- securing the evidence ect?- Exactly when did the actual “investigation” with Federal officers begin?
That has been my problem with this from the beginning. I don’t think the Sheriff has anything at all to do with this case, although he’s talking like he does. The Feds aren’t saying anything because it’s easier to have him keeping the media entertained while they do their work. The media is too clueless to know this.
I live near Lake Amistad—the next Rio Grande Reservoir to the North of Falcon Lake. I have been in an emergency on the Lake where 9-1-1 was called, and absolutely, the dispatcher sent the emergency to the Park Service. I’ve also been in an immigration related situation, and the 9-1-1 call dispatched the ICE and Border Patrol. I really don’t believe (based on what I know from friends in ICE, BP, etc) at all that things are that different down at Falcon, where Immigration and Border crimes are worse than they are here.
I just don’t think the 9-1-1 call led to the Sheriff’s office. I believe that TH called the Sheriff’s office directly, and at some point following that—she called 911, and the Feds were alerted. I’ve believed from the beginning she had a plan and an agenda, and MOO, the Sheriff does too.
I wish I could share more, but at this point, the only addition I have to the story is totally unverified rumors around here that the man in the truck with TH when it was stopped WAS her husband, but the man who arrived at the lake with her was NOT her husband. The other rumor (also unverified) is that it’s very plausible that David could have gotten pretty far on the JetSki into Mexico, and met up with “friends” who are hiding him while TH collects insurance money.
47.Mermaid14 says:
October 26, 2010 at 11:07 am
This is forensics 101 and if they didn’t do this test, shame on them!
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This puzzles me to. I’m still pondering Sheriff G’s involvement..the lack of forensics testing, his comments,response etc. Wondering how well the documentation was done on the search…judging on his poor performance of other procedures. Can’t decipher if he is just using this tragedy to further his “fund agenda” or if he is part of the crime. Still think it is weird that both Sigi and the GS used the word “sobbing.” How many men use that lingo? Haven’t really sat down and compared the transcripts for Sigi discrepancies though.
1. Madilu says:
October 26, 2010 at 1:22 am
S.H., Christy and others… I am the elusive poster who has attempted to create a timeline, HOWEVER, we have VERY FEW data points to work with. Below is what I have at this point… xx:00 time indicate we do not know the actual time, but we know that it “happened” -ie. we know they did this or that as a matter of logic, but we don’t know at what time…If anyone can fill in the blanks, then great. However it is my hunch that the information is guarded at this time.
9:00am: TYH says they decided at that time to go to Falcon Lake for the day.
10:30am: Since McAllen to Rio Grande City = 41 miles, 47 minutes, coupled with possible slower timing due to towing jet skis, they must have left at about that time.
11:30am-11:40am: DPS stop in Rio Grande City
12:45pm: -rough estimate of when they would have arrived in Zapata (Rio Grande City to Zapata 53 miles, 57 minutes.)
** We do not know if they lunched at Subway in RGC or Zapata, so this timeline reflects eating in Zapata, before launching skis**
Xx:xxpm: Subway lunch –spotted by a U.S. Border Patrol agent at Subway (408 Hwy 83, Zapata TX 78076) -OR- was it 4023 E Hwy 83, Ste 110, Rio Grande City TX 78582?)
Xx:xxpm: Zapata County boat ramp: Arrive and launch jet skis: Any witnesses see them arrive/park/launch??
Xx:xxpm: Ride to Old Guerrero –at 60mph, 8 miles could have taken ~10 minutes? (They rode about one mile to the international boundary —and then headed 7 miles southeast up the Salado river to the ruins.
Xx:xxpm – Time spent at the church; according to TYH, never got on land, did not picnic –just snapped a few pictures and headed out again (5 minutes total?) She has never been specific about how long they were there
Xx:xxpm -People commented that they heard gunshots, assumed it was dove hunters??? No time indicated
Xx:xxpm -whatever happened, happened
Xx:xxpm -TYH ride back to shore ~10 minutes?
Xx:xxpm -Need the exact location/TIME of the point she returned to
shore to Good Samaritan
2:30pm 911 call time: http://www.themonitor.com/articles/antonio-43258-san-falcon.html
(But then “David” on http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/10/does-tiffany-hartley-know-shooter.html says the call came in at
2:20pm ????)
2:45pm -“Authorities said the shooting happened about 2:45 p.m.”
(Faulty report? They say it happened AFTER the 911 call?????
http://www.kens5.com/news/national/104123103.html
2:35pm -Sheriff, etc. arrived at GS property –according to GS, it was 5 min. after the 911 call
Xx:xxpm -Sheriff/LE launched a search on US side.
9:00pm –Search called off http://www.themonitor.com/articles/-43245–.html
Madilu,
You are amazing! The details, how you are putting a puzzle together.
I need to reread your timeline. Thank-you.
You are the only poster that took the time and patience to assemble a timeline. Do you take notes? You really research thoroughly, I
admire your guts.
Did you also make-up the launch map? I saw Blinkster make up a couple maps, IDK what post, cause I would enjoy reviewing the launch
map again.
Thank-you for your time and work.
@crimesolver…thanks for the youtube video link. Also by that same youtube poster was this candid interview with Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez Jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4P1s6gkOs&feature=mfu_in_order&playnext=1&videos=xCe6yYd61pQ
Still can’t understand why Tiffany is on the Today Show this morning talking about boarder control! Wake up, you were in Mexico if this happened, not on the boarder! If DH was shot in Mexico, I believe he had a gun with him and possibly shot it after drug deal (under the seat’s on jetski’s is a pretty good sized compartment, big enough for ski rope and anchor and tools)went wrong and that Tiffany was off in the distance and that she did see David get shot but I don’t think she took the time to find out! I think she booked it out of there and was able to outrun the boat’s b/c she had a head start. This is the only reason she is alive today!
I am surprised that the life jacket and jetski were returned to her already and I don’t care to hear that they already tested it, if there turns out to be a crimal case against TH the evidence should have been preserved. At this point nobody can say that DH ever even made it to the lake that day! This could be a murder case committed in the US and none of us know this woman or what she might do. If you were going to do something like this what better
excuse than to blame drug pirates! Just saying
Who watched the Dog?
They were gone from 9:00 – 4:00.
Who fed the dog?
Tiffany Hartley: Falcon Lake Is a ‘War Zone’
“We need to wake up to what’s going on in our backyard,” the woman, Tiffany Hartley, said on NBC’s “Today” show. “We need to focus on what’s going on over there.”
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/tiffany-hartley-falcon-lake-is-a-war-zone/19689508
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Is she in NYC?
@Mermaid14 & Chiapet – I agree a poly could be the only thing that would make us believe her at this point. I think she’s not taking it because there are parts of the story she fabricated and of course, this will show up, thereby making her whole story questionable.
Most people are saying if you are truly innocent and have nothing to hide, take it. However, given the questionable validity of this “science”, I too would be cautious even if telling the truth. Unless DH’s family comes out requesting her to take a poly, I seriously doubt this will ever come to pass.
My guess is she was advised by many against taking it. Should she “fail” any part of it, it would bring in a seige of additional scrutiny, even if she is 100% innocent of the crime. The sheriff likely knows the false reports from poly’s and how this can affect people like TH all too well and advised her against it. At the time he allegedly gave her this advice, thus far (at that time), no LE was publicly accusing her. I think he likely said, we believe you, no need to risk compromising yourself and your story. MOO
Prayers for the Hartley family.
I have been pondering this case a lot and I have tried putting TH in the role as mastermind and murderer. There has not been anything I’ve read to indicate they were having trouble in their marriage, hints of infidelities/affairs, financial troubles (other than having to relocate for new job since his was being eliminated). If TH did this I don’t think she could have done this alone. Who would her accomplice be? I truly think if she was having an affair…someone with suspicions would have come forward by now. You don’t get so involved with someone that you plan to murder your husband without raising suspicions somewhere…MOO. DH seemed very close with his family…can’t imagine him wanting to disappear for $$$ and live in hiding forever. Why would the GS lie? Hoping more information is found…I want this case solved, no matter who is found to be guilty.
Prayers for the Hartley family.
HAHAHAHA! You made my day!
36.WooBabie says:
October 26, 2010 at 6:42 am
Someone should alert the FBI that Falcon Lake is full of stain-fighting detergents.
SouthernMom says:
October 26, 2010 at 10:39 am
@S.H.
I remember reading LE had significant reason to believe GS was a nonbiased credible witness. He apparently owns property on the lake and felt he would be in danger if he came out publicly with his identity. Considering what we know about retaliations by the cartel, I can’t blame him for doing so. Of course, you are right, the possibility exists that this GS was part of the whole scheme…but, I personally don’t believe this is likely.
Prayers for the Hartley family.
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Thank-you, Mom.
The witness saw a “Commerical Fishing Boat” chasing a Jet Ski.
You would too, Mom, if a Jet Ski (motor) and waves were scaring off
your fish, on your Mexcian land.
I understand this, and I don’t believe the fishing boat was “chasing her” LOL. The fishing boat, wanted her off the lake, she is very
inconsiderate of others. These people need to fish for a living.
We in the US are spoiled, we do not know what it is like, to catch our
dinner, except from the freezer.
Madilu, you wrote in part:
On another note, thought it was interesting that in the GS “unidentified male” interview that he said that immediately many agencies were on site within minutes (at his house????) to, “secure” the “crime scene.” What crime scene??? That was an interesting comment indeed. ALL this MOO, imo.
Well as Blink so brilliantly said in the radio show TIFFANY was THE walking CRIME SCENE-
So if they didn’t interview her right away or get her written statement, and if they didnt secure her jetski , if they didn’t take her clothes into evidence, or her life jacket, or her shoes, if they didnt check under her fingernails, if they didn’t check for gun shot residue, if they didnt check her hair for gruesome debris ect.
Then pray tell exactly how did they secure the crimescene? Especially given the fact that Tiffany stated the attack occurred on the Mexico side- and David, nor his jetski have ever been recovered……
I just wanted to add that I for one welcome differing opinions- it makes me see opposing viewpoints that I may not have considered.
I do read everyone’s opinions- and each link- each of us brings our own experiences and insights to the table-
I would hope that noone, would hold onto their own opinions so strongly that they can not be swayed with facts and research.
I hope Lee, and everyone, takes all the research and opinions and links and weighs them again and again- IMO if we are not able to do that- then why bother having a wonderful site such as BOC to share our insights and opinions?
Peace
crimesolver says:
October 25, 2010 at 6:21 pm
2.S.H. says:
October 25, 2010 at 2:07 pm
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My father used to lie to us/family all the time. It got to where we never believed anything he said, and we’d read between the lines to try to figure out what his “point” was…or what was he covering up? (what was the real story). So I find myself doing the same thing with statements that come from TH. (Or anyone who is “hinky” for that matter.)
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Crimestopper,
I had stories told to me, too, I guess that makes two of us:)
Human nature needs to have a beginning, middle and an ending
to life or to a story. We need to know the ending, because, I
there is a little of David in all of us.
Thank-you for the video your brother sent you. Tiff should hurry up
and study Spanish, since, she thinks we are going to be invaded:)
PackLeader5 says:
October 25, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Have you heard any rumors about last Tuesday’s “Re-enactment”?
Can you gives us any clues? The unvertified guy was he on a jetski?
Thank-you, for informing us with the previous, unvertified rumors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY50dLc90jc
Where is the location Tiffany is being interviewed?
Was this interview, today? I see tropical trees, Cali?
Still curious about Tiffany’s new FB picture of the smiling coconut, with the name Arcy Bernal-Duran. I thought this person would have surfaced by now and proclaimed he/she is a real person and that thinking this was a David signal is ludicrous. I’m ready to say, okay I was wrong. But I still haven’t heard a peep yet. MOO
Crimesolver, Thanks for putting that segment up…I put this up on Peter’s blog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4P1s6gkOs&feature=related
This Sheriff has testified before Congress but is only for the first time telling a reporter that he doesn’t use his boat that the Coast Guard provided him. Isn’t this the type of stuff he should be telling Congress? This man is so dishonest I hope he is not re-elected.
These videos are the reason I cannot turn away from the possibility that this event was politically motivated.
I had more to say but deleted it!!!
I have lived on lakes for years boats and jetskis everywhere Perception is key here boats csn always appear to be chasing jetskis if I ride a motorcycle on the road does it mean cars are chasing me? If they turn behind me does that mean they were scared? Boats cannot go into shallow water like jetskies glad I never was accused of chasing down a jetskier obviously if you drive fast behind one you can be percieved to be chasing them down its a lake there will be boats perception is key.
S.H. says:
October 26, 2010 at 4:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY50dLc90jc
Where is the location Tiffany is being interviewed?
Was this interview, today? I see tropical trees, Cali?
That video looks like its from the same time other videos with Tiffany in the white shirt
The description under the vid says it is taken in texas.
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WOW- I can see why none of the networks chose to run with this video.
I can’t say that Ms. Tiffany Hartley and her convictions are starting to scare me…
In this video she sounds like a very misinformed canditidate running for office or a very opinionated preacher, trying to save America from the Heathens-
And what any of this has to do with what happened on Falcon Lake is beyond my comprehension:
“We need to start taking our country back- we need to start going back to what our founding fathers planned for this country….. they didnt plan for it to be a separation….. you know this country was founded on God and we need to go back to that. How many millions of Americans believe in God and very little don’t….. and we need to start taking our country back and start making it the way it was meant to be.”
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I don’t think I want to be a part of the America she hopes to bring about, and I believe in God.
Is she seriously calling for a war between believer’s and non-believers? What the Heck IS she talking about?!
I will tell you right now, she is under some sort of influence in that interview. Could absolutely be scripted meds, but her mannerisms, speech and cadence are altered.
B
I CAN say – should have read- I can say that Ms. Tiffany Hartley and her convictions are starting to scare me…
@crimesolver says:
October 26, 2010 at 10:40 am
http://www.ksat.com/news/25470660/detail.html
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Thanks for posting that article. I found the following to be interesting:
“Going home to Colorado to await David Hartley’s next oilfield assignment, she said, was to have been a “new chapter” in their marriage.
Sounds like David was already laid off -perhaps suddenly -or even suddenly terminated. Here’s are some factors:
**The incident happened on a Thursday, and they had just taken a vacation the week before to Key West. =He was not working.
**When they moved to McAllen in mid June, it was their intention to stay for the long haul. (bought house full of furniture, landlines, etc. and her FB comment was, “hopefully longer than 7 months.”)
**Tiff has no career, only a HS diploma, and he a only GED.
**Country in huge recession, options limited, at best.
**This statement implies that he did not have any job lined up at all with Calfrac in the CO office.
**She has stated that Calfrac told them to move out of Mexico earlier in the year.
**She stated that David requested the transfer to CO. (lie)
**She also has stated that Calfrac transferred him to CO.
**She also stated that they chose to move back to CO because of the increasing violence at the border (yet they still chose to jet ski 7 miles into known [to them] dangerous Mexican waters…)
**She also stated that he was going to work right away in the CO office for now, “[Calfrac was] starting some other districts up so eventually we would be going to one of those districts.”
**She also stated that they had “no plans” once arriving in CO, especially in regard to housing.
** The ONLY time I have heard her even remotely come out sounding “fired up” was when she stated “but David, he worked his butt off for them, I mean, he was willing to go wherever they needed him to go. He was willing to do whatever it took and in Reynosa he was holding like 3 or 4 different jobs because of the personnel was so short, he was doing all these different jobs, and, you know, he didn’t complain. He just did what he needed to do and he has been really a great employee for them and they knew they could count on him.
**Calfrac has never once made a public statement -not even a brief offering of condolences.
**Calfrac has not made an offer/gesture to set up a corporate memorial fund of some sort, which does indeed happen sometimes when a worker has been loyal and worked for over 10 years for them -and dies young, tragically. Companies do it all the time.
**I would be interested to know if any Calfrac management attended the memorial
I have said before that something was hinky about the job scene, which could give rise to motive/intentions…
@ S.H. says:
October 26, 2010 at 4:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY50dLc90jc
Where is the location Tiffany is being interviewed?
Was this interview, today? I see tropical trees, Cali?
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According to the banner line under the video the interview was taken & recorded in Texas..
@crimesolver says:
October 26, 2010 at 11:26 am
My brother sent me this link…I SHAKE my head…cannot express my thoughts/view on this TH interview. Lordy, Lordy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY50dLc90jc
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OMG. Shocked by her ignorance…shocked. And what, so now this is about God, and the Christians, “taking our country back?”
“We needa go back to what our founding fathers planned for this country. They didn’t plan for it to be a separation. They didn’t, you know, this country is founded on God and we needa go back to that. All the…how ever many millions of Americans believe in God -and very little don’t. And we needa start taking our country back -and start making it the way it was meant to be.”
Wow. And I might add she is very clearly not a ‘tolerant’ person -not very Christian like… But I suppose God is telling her to kick all non-Christians out of the country?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY50dLc90jc
Just another shocking statement from an incredibly naive and uneducated young woman -wow.
“But we need to focus what’s in our back yard. Mexico is a hurting country, and they’re slowly gonna be start taking over the United States is we don’t do something about it.”
Did anyone notice that this video was posted for a campaign for Steve Nohrden (R-Nevada) running for Congress?
Good luck Steve -not to take away from the very real immigration issues that are at hand, are you desperate, Dude? Having ignorant, shortsighted commenters working for ya won’t help your campaign! And with your support, her badmouthing the President of the United States publicly is really not an effective approach. IMO.
I was wondering if while we ponder the possible fate of DH, we consider who he and TH may have been acquainted with prior to this event. I cant help but look into whether Miss TH had any prior relationship with Sherrif SG? I see he has a long history of Border involvement. Has spoken at many church functions. The thought crossed my mind on whether the H’s were spiritually and politically involved. I am certainly not accusing anyone as having a hand in DH’s disappearance. But just an idea. Any thoughts?
crimesolver-
Not to nitpick, but I would say TH’s pupil’s are more constricted than dilated? Is that what you mean? The pupil shrinks in size when exposed to light. Her pupils are like 3mm to me.
@ crimesolver–You had said, “…I SHAKE my head…cannot express my thoughts/view on this TH interview. Lordy, Lordy.” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY50dLc90jc )
Not only am I shaking my head, I am also saying, “Tiffany, you know not of what you speak.” Tiffany, for the love of God, please read up on your American history before you start spouting off your intolerant religious views on a national platform that was only afforded to you because of your husband’s alleged death.
Is it clear that I’m disgusted?
If I ever thought it seemed like a crazy idea that David Hartley’s “mysterious death” could have any political connections, I don’t think it’s so farfetched anymore.
@ Madilu says:
October 26, 2010 at 7:25 pm
I still keep going back to this great audio interview that a Blink contributor had posted earlier which I think reveals a lot about the Hartley lifestyle & David & Tiffany as a couple..
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/video/?videoId=632799582001&lineupId=1184677040
At the beginning of the interview TH mentions that they lived in Mexico & only 5 minutes from the border, & how she knew of the cartel issues there & the dangers..
At the 5:38 point approximately TH talks about David being shot in the head..
At the 14:20 point Tiffany speaks about the wedding ring issue because she is wearing David’s wedding ring which she said he never wore when he jet skied & the interviewer questioned the ring..
At the 17:00 point TH speaks about David’s company paying all of their living expenses while they lived in Mexico because they were considered ex-pats & this allowed them to enjoy a better lifestyle.. Guess that would stop once they relocated to Colorado..
There are times during that interview when she gets on the topic of David’s employer that I feel she was not happy with them for some reason.. Perhaps it had to do with the paid living expenses stopping once they moved out of Mexico & back to the USA which would change their lifestyle..
But I suppose God is telling her to kick all non-Christians out of the country?
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Amen, Madilu. And he had to nudge her to remember that we need go back to what our founding fathers planned for this country. They didn’t plan for it to be a separation! Bet he really told her all of above…when he was telling her what to order at Subway. SNARK.
Not to nitpick, but I would say TH’s pupil’s are more constricted than dilated? Is that what you mean? The pupil shrinks in size when exposed to light. Her pupils are like 3mm to me.
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Yea…I got the medical lingo/symptom wrong. But I specifically looked for sunlight/light when watching and she is either in the shade or it is overcast. Not judging her…just noticed her eyes…along with her subdued body language. Now, I want to go back and look at early video interviews and see if I missed it then.
24.Mom3.0 says:
October 26, 2010 at 6:49 pm
WOW- I can see why none of the networks chose to run with this video.
I can’t say that Ms. Tiffany Hartley and her convictions are starting to scare me…
In this video she sounds like a very misinformed canditidate running for office or a very opinionated preacher, trying to save America from the Heathens-
And what any of this has to do with what happened on Falcon Lake is beyond my comprehension:
“We need to start taking our country back- we need to start going back to what our founding fathers planned for this country….. they didnt plan for it to be a separation….. you know this country was founded on God and we need to go back to that. How many millions of Americans believe in God and very little don’t….. and we need to start taking our country back and start making it the way it was meant to be.”
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I don’t think I want to be a part of the America she hopes to bring about, and I believe in God.
Is she seriously calling for a war between believer’s and non-believers? What the Heck IS she talking about?!
I will tell you right now, she is under some sort of influence in that interview. Could absolutely be scripted meds, but her mannerisms, speech and cadence are altered.
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Thanks Mom 3.0. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
I will say she was in my own backyard, and she is freaking me out!
I wonder when she will run for office?
how does she have the truck key and his ring but no camera?
I will tell you right now, she is under some sort of influence in that interview. Could absolutely be scripted meds, but her mannerisms, speech and cadence are altered.
B
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I can see that, but I feel like she has been speaking like that since the beginning.
@ S.H.
Re: post #5
Wooow!!!! If someone actually saw that David was not at boat launch, would he of put in at another location then Tiffany and headed toward’s Mexico? This does make sense as to why she’s more worried about everything else more then the fact that HER HUSBAND JUST DIED!!! Hello!!
Thank you for all the very insightful info.
@ TandT,
My husband and I are boater’s and I don’t know about you but sometime’s the jetskier’s really piss me off b/c they come flying right across in front of you or are trying to jump our wake and between all this you are left trying to drive and pray they don’t fall off and you run them over! FYI jetskier’s stop doing this kinda stuff! Tiffany would of been riding like a bat-ata-hell across that lake and after all she is a pretty nice looking blonde lady on a jet ski all by her self on a lake in Mexico, is anybody really surprised that guy’s in a boat would of been chasing after her? They were like, hey, where’s that hottie going? This also would of worked perfect for TH story to GS!
@Blink,
Thank You for all you do and BOC!
I agree with you Blink, in relistening, she does sound under the influence- I wonder if she has been all along, and that is part of the reason why she seems disjointed with her behaviors and actions?
Having said this- IN no way do I believe that she does not strongly believe the garbage that she is spewing.
This interview for me, is just another reason why Tiffany should not be wheeled out and stood on any platform to tout border issues- political issues- drug issues ect ect-
Someone needs to sit her down and talk some sense into her.
The standing for a cause can start after the investigation and after she mourns and after they find David- Maybe then she will be in a better position to understand and pick an appropriate and logical cause to honor David.
She clearly is not in any condition right now to be anyone’s spokesperson. JMO
LPB- thanks –
ps Blink you wrote:
I will tell you right now, she is under some sort of influence in that interview. Could absolutely be scripted meds, but her mannerisms, speech and cadence are altered.
B
— Well if she is under the influence of something, it better be prescription drugs- cause she said she has never taken any drugs and neither has David.
Colorado is a medical marijuana state, meaning you can get a prescription, is Texas?
22.lizzygoat says:
October 26, 2010 at 6:20 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4P1s6gkOs&feature=related
This Sheriff has testified before Congress but is only for the first time telling a reporter that he doesn’t use his boat that the Coast Guard provided him
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Thanks for the link, hadn’t seen that one. He really seemed to push the point…that they hadn’t used their boat in several years, huh? I
“I will tell you right now, she is under some sort of influence in that interview…”
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I know this is not what you meant. But yes, that interview had a very specific purpose. It was the agenda of Steven P. Nohrden, R-Nevada, running for congress. He is using her to further his agenda, and to sell copies of his new DVD.
I checked out his FB page and he clearly seems to be very critical, HATES Obama -and conducts a negative campaign approach. He doesn’t discuss issues, he just throws darts at BO -nearly every FB entry is negativity.
Scrolling down on his page out of curiosity, I see that he is on a crusade about border security and claims that no one is paying attention. Yet on August 13 he criticizes BO for sending a Bill to Congress for Immigration Reform and securing our border (ie. Tiff, It’s not that government is NOT addressing what is happening in our backyard, just not with an(R)approach that some (those that are influencing you) would like. So he influenced everything Tiff said, and I firmly believe that the moment this happened, a number of individuals latched onto her and her family, and planted seeds and phrases. I suppose if you were to ask Tiffany what the Bill to Congress was about in August, she would have NO CLUE -and prolly not even know what a Bill is.
The other thing is that she is claiming anti violence -yet her sister, gun activist, owns guns and wants to own an AK 47 -DH owned a 228 -and may also have purchased an AR 15. Hun, these aren’t exactly guns for self-protection in your home OR hunting. They are guns that criminals and cartels buy and use. Like your theory on drug problem, “just don’t buy em” Yes, don’t buy semi-auto and automatic guns!
As much as Tiffy is going to make herself completely available to the media and hoping to use them as her voice – I don’t think that the media will continue to be interested if she is just going to go on and excrete the exact same jive each and every time. She literally uses the exact same phrases in some instances. If she doesn’t start giving them more colorful verbiage (and a squeegee of emotion), they won’t bother. Now, if they believe, like us, that something hinky is going on – they might keep her on just so that they can have her undoing exposed under their auspices.
This girl makes me want to bang my head on the wall. She is like a parrot with dementia.
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The unidentified witness – seriously I don’t think he’d be THAT hard for someone to figure out. Wouldn’t he, like, be the guy that lives in the house closest to that boat ramp? Or if not, say, the guy that lives on the OTHER side next to that boat ramp? How hard could that be for these illustrious cartels to figure out?
http://www.chimneyparkresort.com/webcam.html
(Rio Grand, Mission, Texas, web cam)
This is the only web cam, (that I could nail down) is on the Rio Grand, in Mission, TX. I don’t know if the cam is currently in
service.
This article is interesting. The CSI talks about the unlikely propulsion of David’s body over the handle bars and the issue of whether he could’ve been “insta-killed” or would’ve still had movement (as Tiffy claimed) after being shot in the head.
“Tiffany Young-Hartley: A CSI Expert Comments On The Strange Physics Of Her Husband’s Alleged Shooting”:
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/10/tiffany_young-hartley_a_csi_ex.php
And whoever said that David’s company has not released any statements….
http://oneoldvet.com/?p=23326
“He was a respected and committed member of the team,” Tuttle said. “Our focus is to provide support to his wife and family at this time.”
“A spokesman for his employer, Calgary, Alberta-based Calfrac Well Services, Ltd., said company officials had been talking to Texas law enforcement and were reaching out to his wife and family.”
“We’re just hoping for the best,” Scott Tuttle said.”
“He was a respected and committed member of the team,” Tuttle said. “Our focus is to provide support to his wife and family at this time.”
Tuttle said Hartley’s wife was being cared for by family and friends, including associates from the company.”
Does anyone know when the Border Land video was taken? Was it before or after the disappearance of David? Sorry if that has already been posted. I didn’t see it mentioned anywhere.
As far as Tiffany’s political agenda goes, she sounds like a lot of Tea Party members I have heard in the news lately. Have you seen the recent debate in Delaware between Christine O’Donnell and Chris Coons? O’Donnell doesn’t seem to know that the first amendment to the constitution refers to the separation between church and state. It’s scary to me that someone could actually go so far as to be elected to congress and not know that basic fact. But I don’t think that her ignorance of the separation of church and state is such an unusual thing, which is also pretty scary to me. Sharron Angle from Nevada is another Tea Party member running for congress, who questions the separation of church and state.
I really try not to bring my political views to this site because it always seems to muddle up the case at hand and it gets a lot of people angry. But Tiffany has wanted to bring politics into this case from the start.
One thing (among many) that sounds so funny to me, in a scary way, is that Tiffany says that Mexico is taking over our country and we need to stop it, and that we need to bring God back to our country. Isn’t Mexico pretty overwhelmingly Christian? I think the population of Mexico is around 85% Catholic. But maybe she doesn’t consider Mexican Christians to be worthy.
Tiffany is a bundle of contradictions and ignorance. I so hope someone is taking a good, hard look into her and David’s background. I’m starting to wonder if there is any connection between David’s job at Calfrac and his disappearance. It sounds like they felt like David was under-appreciated and overworked. Could there have been opportunity and motive for David to siphon money from Calfrac? Maybe the company started alerting to this and that could explain the lay-off or transfer to Colorado.
I’m going to the John Stewart “Rally to Restore Sanity” in D.C. this weekend. I need to restore my sanity. LOL!
I guess my imagination is working on overdrive now! I need to stop.
@Madilu,
Any politician that latches onto the TH/DH incident and uses it to try to make political gains is going to end up looking like the fool they are.
Remember the incident of that crazy woman carving B.O.on her face and claiming Obama supporters accosted her and carved his initials in her face??!! I knew the second that story came on the news that it was a scam and that is exactly what it turned out to be. But McCain and supporters jumped on it and thought they were going to get mileage for his campaign.
And when this story finally falls apart (and it will) people will realize that anything you hear on any news program should be treated with skepticism, especially when there are no witnesses, and the evidence is severely lacking.
@ tandt says:
October 26, 2010 at 10:18 pm
how does she have the truck key and his ring but no camera?
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Early on in the first few interviews Tiffany gave she said that the camera was with David on his jet ski because he was the person that took all of the pictures she was not the photographer in the family..