Murder In Mexico: Tiffany Hartley Endures 16 Hours Of Interviews In David Hartley Death
..” I have nothing to hide. I Have ABSOLUTELY nothing to hide..”
Tiffany Hartley emerged on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 yesterday after her 16th hour of interviews at the Mexican Consulate in McAllen, Texas.
Hartley recounted the events of September 30, ending with the alleged murder of her husband David. Ms. Hartley gave both new testimony and confirmed her previous statements according to reports from the Mexican Attorney General and Ms. Hartley herself, without the presence of an attorney.
According to several statements from Hartley, David was shot “off his jet ski” while the couple was returning from the Mexican side of Falcon Lake, where they briefly took pictures of the historic church on Old Guerrerro. Neither David Hartley nor his Sea Doo watercraft have been recovered.
One of the most baffling aspect of the case, is the fact that Ms. Hartley claims the pair were shot at at as they were driving their jet skis away from alleged “pirates” they both waved a friendly hello to, seconds before. Tiffany Hartley was uninjured in the attack, and her jet ski was not hit in the gunfire. Although media was alerted last week that tests on a possible blood source on Tiffany’s life vest were due back that afternoon, we were quickly told there would be no updates about the possible blood evidence at this time.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime Editor spoke with Chuck Smith, owner Smith Marina USA about specifics of the Sea Doo RXT.
..Your correct, the RXT has a chip in the starter that is electronically programmed to “match” the owners lanyard key. If he was wearing the lanyard, whether attached to his vest, or in some cases the arm, and he was thrown off the ski, it activates a kill switch and will not start without the key it is programmed to without a factory reprogramming, which of course, one would need the paperwork for. In short, no matter what, they would need his key to start it.
Blink Question: What if he was not attached to the key, and he was shot and flew off the unit “in motion”, this would not shut the engine off, correct?
CS: Correct. The ski would continue in the direction the handlebars were pointing and continue to throttle in that direction.
Blink: How hard are these models to sink?
CS: Virtually impossible. I have never actually heard of, or seen one, sink to the bottom. The way the Coast Guard standards are now with these, they have hulls similar to boats.
Blink: Could enough bullet holes sink it? What about if the contiuum– could that have caused it to flip? Could anyone right it?
CS: No, not unless we are talking morter rounds. I guess in theory an automatic weapon could put enough holes cut it in half if that was the goal, but again, your still going to see shards of fiberglass all over the water, remnants similar to a boat accident or crash. Again, under these circumstances, I don’t see how he could flip it, but if it were, again, harder to see because the bottom is black, but any SAR or Coast Guard deployment knows what abnormalities to look for on the water surface. It would be next to impossible to “right it” in deep water. It would be more likely they would drag it to shallow water.
Blink: Is this chop-shoppable?
CS: Absolutely. There is some after factory devices, similar to lo jack, but the engine and parts are expensive and could easily be sold that way.
Blink: He was wearing a PFD I. In your opinion is that keeping him afloat until he is located if he was left in the water?
CS: Absolutely, unless it was removed, or he and the vest were removed from the water, he would be floating, yes.
As announced this morning on Dana Pretzer commentary, Blink, Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com will be discussing the Hartley case this evening live at 9PM EST on Scared Monkeys The Dana Pretzer Show.
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Regarding Facebook – if you know someone’s password, you can get on their FB account. It is not uncommon for a friend, spouse, roommate, etc to have your password – I have my kid’s password. So if she has his then there is no mystery. And I would bet they know each other’s. That point is moot.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=39615
Just Another Day on the Texas Border
by Rep. Ted Poe
10/28/2010
*snipped*
It was just another day in south Texas as gunfire erupted in the border town of Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, and warnings went out to people on both sides of the border. I had just landed in Laredo and was briefed by local law enforcement of a shootout between the drug cartels and the Mexican military that had taken place right across the border from the local grocery store in the United States. Things like this are so commonplace that they rarely even make the local news anymore. It was just another day on the Texas border.
@ Mermaid14 says:
October 27, 2010 at 4:10 pm
@another Meghan: thank you for verifying on facebook that David Hartley’s account does in fact show a friend added several days after the “shooting” occurred. Now all we have to determine is, how long does it take for the message to appear after you add a friend on facebook? If it is several days then that’s understandable. If it is within a day or several hours, there is a serious problem.
Ok media, you went after Terri Horman’s facebook activity like white on rice. Now—what are you going to do about this hinky activity on David Hartley’s facebook after he is supposed to be deceased??!!
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I’m no longer a member of FB but as I recall when you want to add someone as a FB friend it goes something like this :
1 – Click on the name of the person you would like to add as a FB friend..
2 – That person will receive an email alert from FB saying that ‘john smith’ would like to add you to his/her FB friends & they give you two buttons two choose from one button will say ‘yes add to friends’ & the other will say ‘ignore’ (paraphrasing the button descriptions)..
3 – You may either ignore the entire email from FB or select & click on one of the buttons given..
4 – Once you select one of those buttons the action is live & in real time so if you decided to allow the person to be a FB friend it will be immediate..
5- On the other side of the coin if I the FB user selects someone I want to be my FB friend on a Monday & the email alert from FB goes out on that same day (which it does) but the recipient doesn’t open that email or respond to that email until Saturday you have a gap of about 5 days give or take..
So the question about DH’s new FB friend would not be when was that person added but when was the FB friend request sent out from DH..
GraceintheHills says:
October 28, 2010 at 12:35 am
40.S.H. says:
October 27, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Those silly Pirates!
The most recent reported pirate sighting had been Aug. 31, when boaters saw gunmen riding a small skiff with “Game Wardin” misspelled in duct tape on the side of the vessel. It appeared the pirates were trying to imitate state game warden boats they have seen patrolling the lake.
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Those of us who live in Texas and have regularly enjoyed fishing Lake Falcon in the past but no longer do so, don’t find any of these incidents amusing, S.H. Those “silly pirates” are known to carry AK-47′s and AR-15′s.
A man is missing and presumed dead by LE. A family is grieving. Pretty serious business, in my opinion.
Prayers for the Hartley family.
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Grace,
We do not know if David is dead.
@ OOPS Typo
” two choose from ” sorry that should have read ” to choose from “..
back to coffee..
Mermaid14 says:
October 27, 2010 at 11:27 am
I am beginning to think this may have been a pre-planned, staged incident for political gain. Amazing what happens in an election year. The crazies come out of the woodwork. And those two sheriffs both using the same word “sobbing” in describing something? Totally suspicious. Like they have a script they
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Mermaid14,
I am beginning to agree with you!
IMO – Tiffany is an Idealist. She is “campaigning” for a ’cause she believes in.
I campaigned for Bob Dole (at one time)I felt it was the right thing to do, at that time. It is understandable how TH feels I disagree with her in her approach. I certainly hope to the Heavens above –
that she is being honest and not decieving two Countries.
When did you last vote, Tiffany?
(I vote every election).
Anyone care to speculate HOW Tiffany and David would communicate IF David is really hiding and not dead? What could TH possibly do that wouldn’t be scrutinized by the FBI at this point? She can’t go anywhere because someone will most likely follow her. She can’t call anyone or text anyone because they’ll catch up with her by way of her phone records on that. But what about a “throwaway” phone? She wouldn’t be able to go out and buy one now, but if she already had one (or several) she could just use them and dispose of them. But even that is risky, if she’s caught disposing of them or if her trash is checked out (I’ve been wondering if her family has perhaps heard her in her room talking on the phone quietly, or if they’ve noticed ANYTHING. If she were my sister I’d be sneaking around the house checking her out.
She can’t send FB or e-mail or any other messages by computer because they’ve probably got that monitored too. So what does that leave? An accomplice helping both of them? A boyfriend helping Tiffany? (which would mean David really IS dead, but probably not by shooting on the lake). IDK she seems almost too stupid to develop a new relationship with someone while David was away at work. But maybe not. Maybe that’s the plan and the boyfriend will just turn up in Colorado someday soon and pretend to “meet” her for the first time. Then they split the insurance/fame money.
I would love to know what the FBI has discovered on this so far. If many of us on BOC are suspicious, they’ve GOT TO BE. All MOO of course.
Falcon Lake has two boat ramps. A boating ramp may also be at a Lodge on Falcon Lake.
Two Jet Skis were launched at Zapata, boat ramp – and only one Jet Ski returned by TH account. Did the other JetSki go to another boat
ramp?
The Falcon Lake Park has camp grounds, thinking if someone want
ed to hang out and camp for awhile.
GraceintheHills says:
October 28, 2010 at 12:35 am
Those of us who live in Texas and have regularly enjoyed fishing Lake Falcon in the past but no longer do so, don’t find any of these incidents amusing, S.H. Those “silly pirates” are known to carry AK-47′s and AR-15′s.
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Rush Limbaugh said “you can change your life any second, of any minute, of any hour, on any given day”.
His response was to a caller that camplained about living in Florida.
Fisherman are fishing on Falcon Lake, recently as the other day. Why
can’t you fish, too?
With all due respect Lee how do you think Canadians should view their border/backyard violence issues?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Detroit,_Michigan
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=google+maps+detroit&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Detroit,+MI&gl=us&ei=SLPJTJOEG4m2sAOGp4nRDg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBsQ8gEwAA
I agree with Crimestopper, David is alive.
This is a scam in my opinon – I am no longer giving Tiffany attention.
I will save my prayers for Zahra Baker, the child who was really is a victim.
forgive me please if versions of this story show up many times before mine:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/10/27/2010-10-27_entire_police_force_in_los_ramones_mexico_quits_after_gunmen_attack_headquarters.html
The entire police force of Los Ramones quit after being attacked by drug cartel, days after their brand new station was dedicated.
I am sharing this as NEWS and asserting no comment.
Per TH communicating with someone thru facebook…my view is that they’d probably not OPENLY communicate on “pages or walls” knowing that it could be viewed. (Or investigated later.) And if we did get close to figuring who the “contact/friend” was…they’d probably be using another alias by then anyway. For what its worth…I keep the highest privacy settings on my facebook account, friends are “hidden” too. Some might view it and think I was rarely on it.
@S.H. says:
October 27, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Madilu says:
October 27, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Sorry, I will use the pocket dictionary from now on.
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lol. I thought you were making something of the “unidentified guy” …and I missed the joke. Don’t be sorry -if one rolls their R’s when saying the word, as with a Spanish or even Swedish accent, it actually does sound like there is a T in the word —try it! [...as I picture everyone saying unverified, rolling the R and seeing that this is true!...lol]
Well Blink, I guess CNN is buying it.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/28/hartley.falcon.lake/index.html?hpt=C1
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/28/hartley.falcon.lake/index.html?eref=rss_crime
“Despite warnings from the Texas Department of Public Safety that spring about attacks by armed pirates, the couple wasn’t particularly concerned, Hartley said. They’d talked about the danger with Border Patrol agents when they visited the lake in August.”
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Lots of info in this article- It seems Tiffany was very lucky to have David as a husband. Their love reads alot like “Urban Cowboy” without the fighting or affairs. They seemed very much in love-
Here is Tiffany’s latest account of what happened:
Snipped:
“It was instinct. When you have a husband who’s a teddy bear and was always strong and always there for you … I didn’t even think about not going back.”
In the water, she pleaded with her unconscious husband: “I don’t know what to do! I don’t know what to do.”
She was holding David by his life vest with one hand, her Sea-Doo with the other, when she found herself staring down the barrel of a gun. The men had returned.
She said she made eye contact with two of them, no more than 12 feet away, pleading, “Don’t shoot. Please don’t shoot.”
“I had an awful feeling that we were both going to be dead in Mexico,” she recalled. “But at that moment, I didn’t care. I really didn’t care, because David took a bullet for me and I was going to take one for him.”
After a whispered conversation in Spanish, the gunmen left.
One look at David told Tiffany he was gone, or soon would be, she said. She tried to lift him onto her Sea-Doo, but at 4-foot-10 and 100 pounds, she wasn’t strong enough to pull her unconscious, 250-pound husband out of the water.
“Looking at him, I don’t see how he could have felt anything, and I’m thankful for that.”
continued in article
Here is some interesting NEW news from Tiff, straight from Loveland, CO, 10/24/10-
http://www.reporterherald.com/news_story.asp?id=29896
“She remembers the expressions on the bandits as they pointed a gun at her as she tried to pull David’s body from the water.”
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He story has changed yet a gain. Can you all recall how many times she has stated that she had no idea whatsoever what the pirates looked like?
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/today_show_asks_tiffany_hartley_did_you_have_anyth.php
“Honestly, looking at the barrel of the gun is all I saw. I was pretty focused there. I couldn’t tell you what they look like.”
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/11/earlyshow/main6946795.shtml
(snip) Would Tiffany recognize them?
She told “Early Show” co-anchor Harry Smith, “I couldn’t tell you. I don’t remember, really, being able to describe or even kind of get an idea of what these guys looked like. Possibly, maybe it would come back to me, but I was more focused on the gun and hoping, you know, they wouldn’t shoot me.”
VERY hinky indeed.
This story gets a little more grandiose each time it’s told…whether it be by the media, or by TH….
& can I just say…the whole “olive juice” thing…not really original..call me snarky, but totally made me roll my eyes there….
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/28/hartley.falcon.lake/index.html?hpt=C1
@ ChiaPet517 says:
October 28, 2010 at 12:05 pm
re:
She can’t send FB or e-mail or any other messages by computer because they’ve probably got that monitored too.
But what about a “throwaway” phone? She wouldn’t be able to go out and buy one now,
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As far as email anyone can use a computer at their local public library & free email addresses are plentiful..
Pre-Paid cell’s can be purchased anywhere even the local dollar stores & leave no paper trail for the purchase..
I’m just one of those people that feel DH is alive.. I know its been said that witnesses saw a boat chasing Tiffany as she came back to shore but I wonder if they saw anyone in that boat jumping in the lake to get that jet ski.. Surely that would have caught someone’s attention..
@ Sheila says:
October 28, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Great pics with that article looks like they always had a professional photographer with them wherever they went..
@ChiaPet517 says:
October 28, 2010 at 12:05 pm
“But what about a “throwaway” phone? She wouldn’t be able to go out and buy one now, but if she already had one (or several) she could just use them and dispose of them. But even that is risky, if she’s caught disposing of them or if her trash is checked out…”
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She could ask Dede or Kerry to get her one, and ask Terri for advice on how to dispose of them….
(My bad…couldn’t help myself… Whoops!)
@Madilu says:
October 28, 2010 at 6:11 pm
Adding to my post above…
“She said she made eye contact with two of them,”
Yet another contradiction to her saying she never saw what they looked like. I have thought all along that she lied about this, and that if someone were pointing a gun at me, then their face and expression would be forever engraved on my brain.
This statement PROVES that she is a liar. And it WHY would she be lying about any of this? What is at the root of her deception?
Thoughts on this article: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/28/hartley.falcon.lake/index.html?hpt=C1
“”He is one of those guys who make an impression on you,” she said. “His eyes are as blue as can be. His smile makes you smile.”
**present tense, even now…??? the journalist even points this out, giving their statement its own paragraph: “And then, she switched from present tense, to past.” Wonder if they meant to point that out, or what?**
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“A lone Sea-Doo was fastened onto the back of the SUV.”
***well, I guess now the only 3 pieces of physical evidence in this case are out of the state of Texas. What’s up with that?**
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“We’re white people, we’re not cartel style. I think they were just after our Jet Skis.”
**I wonder what, ‘cartel style’ is? Also, her theory does not make sense, since they could have had BOTH jet skis, and they did not. So, I wonder why she would think that? Is it possible, as one (forget her name on a blog radio…) theorized that this happened on land, and that he deception was strictly relating to her coming up with a story that did not place her in Mexico, but in international waters. Perhaps they were confronted on land and she managed to get back and take off in her ski??? I say that cuz I don’t think that the bad guys would make them just jump in the water… to drown or swim to land…? It would also explain her showing a bullet in the middle of the forehead (execution style), and her saying, “he took a bullet for me” -i.e. they said, “which one of you is gonna die today?” And he did in fact take it for her -literally.
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“And she’s no merry widow, as one border town official suggested.”
**Fascinating statement. Sounds like at least one official does not buy into her story.
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“You know, the only people who know what happened that day are the people on the boat, God and myself.
**Interesting that she does not include David here, but includes an omniscient figure (God).
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“They have a memorial to plan in Colorado for the first weekend in November, even if they don’t have a body. ”
I had been wondering why no memorial in CO. Interesting tho how they are taking such time to do this, yet they did a memorial on Day 5 in McAllen… and also, interesting to me is that she is prioritizing the “talk show circuit” over planning her husband’s funeral.
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“David would catch her eye from across the room and silently mouth these words: “Olive juice.”"
**Very cute
) so sad…it does sound like he was a really nice fella. But why all the deception, Tiff?
I read the olive juice article, as well as the comments. Note below:
~snip~
It remains on my “favorite” list. I’ve recently shown it to the numerous “helpless romantics” in my life. And we’ve fallen in love with it all over again. {In the film, Carla’s family reveals that “Olive Juice” appears to be “I Love You” from a distance. Needless to say, “Olive Juice” has been the catch phrase in my circle of friends since the movie’s release.}
http://www1.epinions.com/review/mvie_mu-1084883/mvie-review-7292-6D87D67-3867E479-prod1
~and~
What does olive juice mean on the movie the other sister they kept saying it?
Best Answer – Chosen by Asker
it means “i love you” cause when you read someones lips when they say olive juice it looks the same as i love you. Also”Elephant Shoes” works too
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101006225033AA3Hoyk
Just talking to myself here this evening…
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/28/hartley.falcon.lake/index.html?hpt=C1
“They were aware of the danger in northern Mexico”
“The violence was so alarming…Calfrac encouraged the Hartleys … to move back over … to McAllen”
-yet-
“We never thought about guns. You can’t outrun a bullet,” Tiffany said.
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/tiffany-hartley-falcon-lake-is-a-war-zone/19689508
“It’s a war zone right now, especially between the cartels,”
-yet-
“We didn’t know that was a high drug traffic area,”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/10/27/2010-10-27_entire_police_force_in_los_ramones_mexico_quits_after_gunmen_attack_headquarters.html#ixzz13iHdGSSj
Mexico’s intelligence chief said this summer that nearly 30,000 people have died in drug related crimes since 2006.
(Was she living in a bubble? Head in the sand? Not paying attention to these facts, the constant news about violence, for 3 years? I guess it really irritates me that she is attempting to be a spokesperson for things that she herself ignored all along)
http://www.infowars.com/tiffany-hartley-falcon-lake-is-a-war-zone/
“We need to wake up to what’s going on in our backyard,”
I know this is snarky, but it seems that even Tiffany Hartley was IGNORING what was going on, LITERALLY IN HER OWN BACKYARD. And sadly, her husband is most likely dead because of this ignorance. And I suppose she can also see Russia from her house. SNARK
40.S.H. says:
October 27, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Those silly Pirates!
The most recent reported pirate sighting had been Aug. 31, when boaters saw gunmen riding a small skiff with “Game Wardin” misspelled in duct tape on the side of the vessel. It appeared the pirates were trying to imitate state game warden boats they have seen patrolling the lake.
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Grace says: A man is missing and presumed dead by LE. A family is grieving. Pretty serious business, in my opinion.
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S.H. says: Grace, We do not know if David is dead
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@S.H. Hence, “PRESUMED”.
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9.S.H. says:
October 28, 2010 at 1:19 pm
GraceintheHills says:
October 28, 2010 at 12:35 am
Those of us who live in Texas and have regularly enjoyed fishing Lake Falcon in the past but no longer do so, don’t find any of these incidents amusing, S.H. Those “silly pirates” are known to carry AK-47′s and AR-15′s.
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Rush Limbaugh said “you can change your life any second, of any minute, of any hour, on any given day”.
His response was to a caller that camplained about living in Florida.
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S.H.: The only thing I have to complain about is seeing our boy Rush’s name in print. Oy! I fail to see the connection there, my friend.
Re: my family’s fishing preference: This may be very hard for you to believe, but many Texans have stopped vacationing anywhere near the Mexican border due to a little thing called border violence. And, no it is not something Sigi, Ted, Rick or Bill dreamed up one night. Or even little Tiffy.
Nitey Nite!
@ S.H. I totally agree with what you said about TH in comparison to Zahra Baker as below:
“S.H. says:
October 28, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I agree with Crimestopper, David is alive.
This is a scam in my opinon – I am no longer giving Tiffany attention.
I will save my prayers for Zahra Baker, the child who was really is a victim.”
Zahra Baker is a victim if there ever was one, but it also occurred to me tonight that she is also a hero, a symbol of something we should never forget. I shared this with my sister who was down in the dumps tonight because of her husband’s behavior and my advice was to focus on finding happiness within herself until his/their problems are somehow resolved. Her initial response was a “Hmmm…” a sigh that was hardly convinced. Then I told her about the story of Zahra Baker – this 10 year old girl who beat 2 forms of childhood cancer and was left with an artificial leg and hearing aid as a result. To top all that is this case of her alleged murderous stepmother and cowardly father – where every day the details of her home life come out sounding worse then the next. She was taunted, she was abused, she was locked in her room all the time, she was kept in the attic, nothing done despite reports of the abuse… she TRULY HAD NO ONE TO COUNT ON. And this child who had absolutely no reason to be happy, somehow somewhere always found a reason to smile = every image of that adorable little girl shows her smiling all the time. I said to my sister, just think about that and seriously imagine being her and living the kind of problems she had….if she can look within herself and still always find some source of her happy face, then so could we and so SHOULD WE. My sister listened to the story and after a long pause it hit her, “Wow… you’re totally right. Thanks, I need to think of that little girl from now on.”
Kinda off topic to the Hartley case, but just wanted to share this message today: Within Zahra Baker’s immensely tragic tale, is a true little angel that should inspire us all.
what I don’t get is how was the beheading of the investigator part of Hartley’s “scam” ?
@ raceyrin says:
October 29, 2010 at 9:42 am
what I don’t get is how was the beheading of the investigator part of Hartley’s “scam” ?
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We really have no proof that this beheading is/was connected to the Hartley incident except that is what we are being told or led to believe..
@JR, OMG, you SO gave us ALL much needed food for thought. I will take your advice and remember it. There is so much in life to grieve about and be sad about. Also remember Caylee, and Haleigh. Also smiling all the time, even singing, and dancing, yet surrounded by dysfunction, evil, and completely unfit parents and grandparents. I constantly think of these children and the lives they lived however short. They have I am CERTAIN a special place in Heaven. They teach us from beyond the grave to stop being self centered, selfish, and remember to have a grateful heart. And those who would commit such evil acts? A special place in that OTHER place!
@lizzygoat,
I totally agree with your premise. It’s like some of these folks jumping on the TH bandwagon are forgetting a few facts about our own country. They believe it’s all black and white. USA—Good. Mexico–Evil. Not to mention a number of other countries labeled as evil by our own government. Let’s look at some facts on crime here in the land of the free:
1. Rampant drug abuse and prescription drug abuse in this country. We have toddlers smoking pot, and teens selling xanax out of their parent’s medicine cabinets for walking around money.
2. Street crime, theft, and murder resulting from said addictions.
3. Street gangs, not all of which are begun by immigrants. Many are home grown right here in the good ole USA. They commit murder and mayhem and glorify it daily.
4. Alcoholism and drunk driving–kills thousands yearly. Does not discriminate based on gender, ethnicity or age. It just kills.
5. Hate crimes based on ethnicity and sexual orientation still occurring everywhere on college campuses, street corners, small towns and large towns.
6. Pedophilia–dont’ get me started on this one. Have you ever done a zip code search for registered sex offenders in your area?? You will find several hundred within about any zip code area in the US. Do the math on that.
7. Mafia–not as prolific as they once were but they are still around.
8. Klan–enjoying a new growth spurt due to being encouraged by new whack job political wannabes.
9. Mass murders in public schools and still going strong on college campuses.
10. Rape, incest, and sexual crimes against women. Human trafficking of both sexes for the purposes of prostitution. Many culprits in high places in government. They seem to avoid prosecution. Oh or if you are a celebrity or politician and you hire a prostitute? The madam goes to jail, you go free. And if the madam threatens to name names, she then commits “suicide”.
11. Government sponsored murder and terror committed by the CIA. Don’t pretend it doesn’t exist. It does. And they murder here too, not just overseas. They even published manuals on assassination.
They even plot false flag operations to blame foreign countries for terror attacks. See Operation Northwoods.
Just a few “fact” about crime here in our own country. Wouldn’t you say we have a little housecleaning to do before we blame Mexico for all our ills?
obviously the beheading wasn’t part of TH’s intention nor in her control, its a very unfortunate casualty of these insane cartel wars and those who dare get in their way. the ‘scam’ with TH is that she and ‘her story’ are being presented again and again, yet its obvious something is not as it seems. whether its actually as big as David being alive or simply a more innocent version of how things went down – to me, appearing and reappearing on national TV just to appeal something not completely truthful…is a scam to whatever form or degree.
many of us have trouble putting our hearts out to people when we cant get past the feeling we’re being lied to.
@raceyrin – it has been brought out several times that the beheaded investigator was working on SEVERAL cases involving the drug cartel in Mexico. There is no way to know which case his beheading is connected to, unless the drug cartel themselves come forward.
One more point, IF the beheaded investigator is connected to Tiffany and David, it certainly lends some credibility to the theory that they were involved in the drug trade somehow and THAT would certainly explain where they were getting all this money for cruises, jetskis and a houseful of furniture (nice house too!). MOO
raceyin- Hi. There is no confirmation that the investigator was beheaded in relation to anything having to do with The Falcon Lake Incident.
It has been reported that this investigator was working on other cases as well. FYI
@ ChiaPet517 says:
October 29, 2010 at 11:35 am
One more point, IF the beheaded investigator is connected to Tiffany and David, it certainly lends some credibility to the theory that they were involved in the drug trade somehow and THAT would certainly explain where they were getting all this money for cruises, jetskis and a houseful of furniture (nice house too!). MOO
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The Hartley’s when they lived in Mexico had their entire living expenses paid for by the company David Hartley worked for as per Tiffany in this interview (link below) & according to her in this same interview ” having their living expenses paid for (as ExPats) it freed up a lot of their own money to enjoy their lifestyle ” (paraphrased)…
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/video/?videoId=632799582001&lineupId=1184677040
Thanks to Madilu for the changing story quotes. Really helps confirm something is not right.
36.nana2 says:
October 29, 2010 at 12:40 pm
The Hartley’s when they lived in Mexico had their entire living expenses paid for by the company David Hartley worked for as per Tiffany in this interview (link below) & according to her in this same interview ” having their living expenses paid for (as ExPats) it freed up a lot of their own money to enjoy their lifestyle ” (paraphrased)…
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/video/?videoId=632799582001&lineupId=1184677040
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I can only say “whatever” to this. Even if my living expenses were all paid I wouldn’t be able to afford $30,000 worth of jet skis, thousands of dollars in vacations, and a “houseful” of furniture which I’m guessing would be about $30,000 to $50,000 minimum (geez, a basic COUCH/lounge setup these days is ~$2,000 by itself! Add some chairs, TV, Dining Room, Bedroom, you get the picture). The other point to notice here is that once again TH is OVEREXPLAINING her personal life/financial situation in an interview. To me, overexplaining is always a red flag. Just MOO of course.
Looks like this article has been updated…haven’t yet figured out the changes but thought I’d post the latest version:
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/10/28/hartley.falcon.lake/
Prayers for the Hartley family.
My thoughts today…..
*TH said..”After a whispered conversation in Spanish, the gunmen left.” Sorry, but men do not whisper…and she thinks deadly cartel members do? Get a grip, Tiff.
* 11.S.H. says:
October 28, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I agree with Crimestopper, David is alive
Its CRIMESOLVER not crimestopper. But I’d STOP any crime if I could.
*My wife brought me a new crime novel home from the store. Villian being drug cartel/Los Zetos (HEB has a pretty good bookshelf) Review/plot on link below. I’ve never read this author before.
http://www.amazon.com/Kidnap-Ransom-Michelle-Gagnon/dp/0778328260/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288383981&sr=8-2
Wish I had time to read it.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/10/28/hartley.falcon.lake/
snip)
“As she left Texas for Colorado last week, Tiffany Hartley surrounded herself with some of her husband’s things: his wallet, his coin collection and his favorite shirts. She looked often at a photo taken of him on one of their vacation trips, in Zihuatanejo. It seems to capture his spirit.”
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Interesting statement in that Tiffany has David’s wallet.. I would think most men take their wallet with them automatically whenever they go out for ID purposes (drivers license) & money for trivial things like gas & the stop at subways (who paid).. Didn’t David show his drivers license to the troopers during that tag stop ?
Cant be having your wallet with you in mexico someone might steal your id or just be able to id you
@ Graceinthehills
re: post 26 to S.H.
Just wanted to take a moment and remind you that DH and TH were very aware of the drug activity and blood shed that was going on along the boarder and in Mexico! They even went as far as to make a plan in case something went wrong that day!
@Chiapet #37
don’t forget the Indian motorcycle that’s probably worth at least 25,000!!
I wonder if this was paid off or if TH is going to continue to make the payments
@Mermaid 14 thanks for reading and adding your insight as well. Its hard to do sometimes, cause I know the littlest things can get me down but thinking of these kids sure help put things in perspective. Sometimes I need that slap in the face and being told to “Snap out of it”!
Is Tiffany in Cali? Is Dr. Phil’s Show is taped in California?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgTQ1BoWDCA
43.Christy says:
October 29, 2010 at 5:58 pm
@ Graceinthehills
re: post 26 to S.H.
Just wanted to take a moment and remind you that DH and TH were very aware of the drug activity and blood shed that was going on along the boarder and in Mexico! They even went as far as to make a plan in case something went wrong that day!
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Not sure what it was that I wrote in my post that made you feel you needed to remind of that particular assumption. What exactly was their plan if something went wrong that day? Did I miss something?
@nana2 – good point about the wallet. So let’s say DH didn’t take it with him on the jetski because he didn’t want to lose it or get it stolen. So he left it in the truck? And TH just HAPPENED to know where it was and that’s why she has it. Eh. Could have happened. If David were by chance alive and living somewhere he wouldn’t need the ID in his wallet – he would have to have a new ID.
@Christy – Of course. I forgot about the Indian motorcycle, another huge expense. Now I’m reading he had a coin collection, wondering what the heck else he/they had that we haven’t seen.
I would still love to know what the FBI’s take on this case is.
A poster asked how TH could be communicating with DH?
She did fly to California?
Can the FBI still intercept phone calls, remember, OJ Simpson’s cell?
I looked up Dr.Phil,(he is taped in California) unless there has been a change.
I will NOT watch Dr.Phil’s broadcast with TH. This is really about David Hartley MISSING and not about Tiffany, this is why I will not give Dr.Phil any ratings.
I will tune in to Peter Hyatt, Sunday radio show. I am interested in any remarks that P.H. or his guests have on the David Hartley case.
TH has everything of Davids EXCEPT the Camera!
Why? The small detail she forgot! I am going to refrain from posting
because I am puzzled:)
She went out to Cali for some REASON. Was it drop-off for money
to help her enabler? I am off until more information is released.
I do enjoy everything thinking and comments. Crimestopper LOL
your wife wants you off the computer and do you Honey List!!