Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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@beejay, the before/after hours care is in the cafeteria
If anyone is still reading the Rudy name-game:
Since Elizabeth Sanchez Estrada, a/k/a Elizabeth Estrada Sanchez is listed as an ALIAS name for Jaime, and with the same age (40) as Jaime, maybe she IS Jaime. Or, an American-born child whose Social Sec No. he’s using, or has used in the past.
Sanchez, Estrada Elizabeth
Possible Aka’s:
ESTRADA, JAIME S
SANCHEZ, JAIME
[age:]40
Canby, OR
Oregon City, OR
[relatives:]
Sanchez, Elizabeth Sanchez
Sanchez, Bautista L
Estrada, Elizabeth S
Link: http://www.veromi.com/Search.aspx?sType=name&db=&fn=jaime&mn=e&ln=sanchez&city=&state=OR&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=
Jden says:
January 16, 2011 at 1:49 pm
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/kyron-noglassesjpg-cc969e0971b99405.jpg
Above is a good zoom of the SF photo (LE’s KyH without glasses).
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Anyone else see what appears as Pink Pants or the leg of
pink pants on plaid shirt person????
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6.beejay says:
January 16, 2011 at 5:20 pm
If anyone is still reading the Rudy name-game:
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beejay,
I’ve seen that same sort of thing in my searching.
The other twist is that there appears to be usage of part of the spouses name, (of either gender) or they take the first name of their spouse and make it their middle name and so forth.
BTW, a veromi address search of the 955 address lists your Anna, Did you happen to see that? Also the Esperanza.
You can find R under many different last names, including Puerto, and Solis, which there are businesses opened under those as well.
I tend to find more J. associated with various last names the R., Including in Washington.
Elsa, seems to be everywhere, which I have just learned is common for also being Elsy, Elsie and etc. Elsa can be found with several of the names we are familiar with.
@Bejay
Don’t get upset with me but can I ask do you
Think these people are SZ or is it about finding
The two other little kids
I am a little confused
But you are the greatest researcher
Thanks
I can’t get rid of the gut feeling that Terri
and maybe Kaine knew these people
A long time somehow
And the Mothers Day deal was the big
Split in friends and business
Moo
Okay now … I’m called puzzled for a reason … could just as easily change my handle to confused!
Sanchez, Estrada Elizabeth
Possible Aka’s:
ESTRADA, JAIME S
SANCHEZ, JAIME
[age:]40
Canby, OR
Oregon City, OR
IIRC … this is who I was trying to post on way back when … she has a salon in Oregon City and shares a PO address with RS in Canby.
Is this “Jaimie” the wife of RS?
@neighbor: TY very much. So, before/after school care is downstairs in the cafeteria. Same floor as some of those electrical exhibits. Those exhibits were, we think, where Ky headed when he went downstairs. I’ve got it now.
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neighbor says:
January 16, 2011 at 5:11 pm
@beejay, the before/after hours care is in the cafeteria
I have to go with Blink on this one.
Gooooo J E T S!
Woot Woot
B
Beejay,
You asked if anyone knew RS’s wife’s name.
I have my suspicions that it might be Silvia or Rebecca.
The names appear frequently on the public directory with his
and in various forms.
37.Idahogal says:
January 16, 2011 at 9:53 am
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“so color me confused”,
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Lmao, that’s funny.
Anyone else notice on the Aug 15th notice children Jamie and Ubaldo
http://helpthesechildren.ning.com/photo/companion-elsy-mejiasanchez?xg_source=activity
Elsy is referred to as a “companion” with felony warrant for “custodial interference”
Could children Jamie and Ubaldo be adopted children of Ubaldo R Sanchez and Elizabeth Sanchez Estrada, a/k/a Elizabeth Estrada Sanchez and Elsy is the mother working for the family?
I sit in my #18 jersey (PM) and still was woot wooting the Jets. I will not hold a grudge
Atta girl, many thanks. Fwiw, I am a #18 fan anytime he is not facing the J E T S.
We might not do it “pretty” but a W is a W.
B
@ Lea Conner
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Very interesting. Wonder what changed Mr. Horman’s mind about wanting the divorce done yesterday?
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Exactly! He’s been awfully quiet lately.
11.puzzled says:
January 16, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Okay now … I’m called puzzled for a reason … could just as easily change my handle to confused!
Sanchez, Estrada Elizabeth
Possible Aka’s:
ESTRADA, JAIME S
SANCHEZ, JAIME
[age:]40
Canby, OR
Oregon City, OR
IIRC … this is who I was trying to post on way back when … she has a salon in Oregon City and shares a PO address with RS in Canby.
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Drove by that salon last week when I was out that way at an appointment. I wasn’t even looking for it but, it did stick out.
The name is what caught my eye and so when I drove around the block, there was a big ole white Ford pickup very very similar to Kaine’s parked on the street. I looked for Washington plates, because I thought that was where his truck was registered. This truck had Oregon plates.
BTW, salon was dark, empty and not open.
For all who love to fish, I found this great place to buy worms.
Located right in Canby, Place just opened end of December.
Grab your worms and go!!!
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1493134&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
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BTW, I think the last name Carrill is a nice last name, don’t you. Lots of people I’m familiar with have that name. Don’t forget, it’s sometimes spelled with an “O” on the end, but not in my case.
@ Blink: I’ve been a big Jets fan since the Klecko/Gastineau days. The best game I went to was the the Giants vs. the Jets. I’m originally from NJ and moved to Oregon 11 years ago, but I still LOVE those Jets!
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Regarding the Woodburn area, I live about 3 miles from there and pass the questioned area several times. I have seen a white truck with a 4×4 signia on it.
Noted, but then it does go on to describe her as their mother. Do they intentionally try to confuse? Looking at the last name, Mejia-Sanchez, not Sanchez-Mejia, as her son is named, gives me pause.
Also reading the posts where some of us go back and forth about the 955 S Pacific Hwy being on the poster; there is not one single missing child poster with an address listed on it, so why did we think we saw that? Perhaps in the article? IDK.
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Jamie and Ubaldo were allegedly abducted by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez.
15.puzzled says:
January 16, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Anyone else notice on the Aug 15th notice children Jamie and Ubaldo
http://helpthesechildren.ning.com/photo/companion-elsy-mejiasanchez?xg_source=activity
@5.Kimberly says:
January 16, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Jden says:
January 16, 2011 at 1:49 pm
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/kyron-noglassesjpg-cc969e0971b99405.jpg
Above is a good zoom of the SF photo (LE’s KyH without glasses).
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Anyone else see what appears as Pink Pants or the leg of
pink pants on plaid shirt person????
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Looks like the little girl’s left leg to me.
I would imagine that (masterful IT skills) could include photo editing.
I recall the mayor SA twittering about this case once only… about the man in the SF photo. Anyone have that?
Does anyone know why it took 47 mins. for LE to respond to the Horman home/school on June 4th S/P 911 call?
@5Kimberly
Anyone else see what appears as Pink Pants or the leg of
pink pants on plaid shirt person????
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Looks like the little girl’s left leg to me.
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Oops, meant to say looks like the little girl’s left arm.
evie said “… I thought that the man w/the mustache HAD been ID’d .. is he the one you are saying you and your friends can NOT identify?”
@evie, Correct, nobody that I know can identify him
More from True Nelson (January 13, 2011).
http://www.truenelson.com/
Graceinthehills says – @Beejay, according to my research, if a sexual offender in Oregon has been classified as predatory, it is a mandatory lifetime registration.
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Blink says –
Would that include offenders prior to the mandatory “predator” designation law?
Fwiw, Oregon and Washington have some of the oddest probation and parole stipulations I have ever seen. I admit I feel our judicial system needs to be much harder on sex offenders in general, specifically those offenders that prey on children.
B
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All convicted sex offenders are required to register for life. If they are considered “predatory”, notification goes out to those who live in the area around them. Sex offenders who are not considered predatory are not part of community notification and can petition to not have to register after 10 years of no offenses, unless that has changed recently. I know the juvenile statutes have changed – it might be 2 years now for juvenile sex offenders in some cases.
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http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/SOR/sor_ors.shtml Predatory sex offender notice procedure
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/181.585
“Retroactive application of predatory sex offender registration and notification statutes does not violate Oregon Constitution protection against ex post facto laws (section 21, Article I), double jeopardy (section 12, Article I) or cruel and unusual punishment (section 16, Article I). Meadows v. Board of Parole and Post-Prison Supervision, 181 Or App 565, 47 P3d 506 (2002), Sup Ct review denied”
The way I understand this ruling is that Oregon can require registration and notification for offenders who were convicted before the current laws, however, I do not know to what extent that has been applied.
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“During the last decade, nearly every legislative session has resulted in a change in laws specific to sex offenders. Oregon was one of the first states to have enacted both registration and notification statutes. These statutes have been modified a number of times, with new crimes being added to the list of “registerable” offenses and new requirements regarding notification and residency.”
http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/SOR/history.shtml history of sex offender registration in Oregon
This is a brief but interesting article. The fact that the statutes have been modified so often, probably contributes to the difficulty for the average person like me in figuring them out. Oregon’s first registration laws were enacted in 1989. The U.S. Congress enacted a sex offender registration law in 1994 so Oregon’s laws had to fit with the federal ones, plus whatever challenges went through the courts in regard to the constitutionality of the statutes.
@ Malty says:
January 16, 2011 at 6:37 pm
@Bejay
Don’t get upset with me but can I ask do you
Think these people are SZ or is it about finding
The two other little kids
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Good question, Malty. I’m trying to find SZ. And I’m looking at several avenues simultaneously.
First, because of the timing of Elsy and her kids’ disappearance, I’m trying to see if there’s a tie-in there. Did they leave (or get disappeared) because they’re related to the Ky grabber, or one of his associates? Maybe Elsy overheard some plan and grabbed her kids and left. We know that DHS is involved with her kids now and that Elsy is not the custodial parent. So, was there a sexual abuse situation involving her estranged husband, who is the Ky-grabber? (Or her, maybe, and she’s the Ky grabber; although the profile says male).
Also, we’re now looking, possibly, for a child predator, and one with a specific profile. So, I’m trying to get a better handle on the known characters–are they married; Blink said maybe the perp was divorced and dating a woman in Ky’s world. So what is Rudy’s marital status? He was “dating” Terri (in the virtual world at least; sexting). So I have to ask if he could’ve actually been interested in Ky rather than Terri.
Rudy could’ve provided access to Ky’s school thru his landscaping work there. Was Jaime Estrada/Sanchez ever involved with that or the volunteer days at the school thru living with Rudy? Or thru his own business? So, I want to know about Jaime’s marital life.
Anselmo is another Rudy relative and you know how our interest in him developed.
But until I can find concrete evidence that there’s a connection between Elsy and her kids’ disappearance, and Rudy, the gap remains too wide. Because I have no other reason to think Elsy and her relatives Ubaldo and Maria would be involved with Ky or Skyline schl. Other than a Rudy connection.
Not sure if I’ve explained it any better. The fog will clear eventually for us all.
Malty–I should’ve added that I’m looking at these people because they’re knowns. But it may well be that SZ is totally unknown to us for now. Did any of the knowns let SZ in?
(And, also, was Anselmo REALLY locked up on June 4, 2010. Really, really?! There’s always that chance– ) For now, Federal BOP locator still showed him as “in transit” this afternoon, while ICE shows him “not in custody”. Is he deported or can we expect another sting with its resultant catch de jour of bad guys?
Just kept looking at Ky and his exhibit; Red-Eyed Tree Frog decided to learn alittle about them . Sometimes I feel messages are sent in mysterious ways. What may he have been telling us? Go to http://kidsnationalgeographic.com/kids/animals/creatures/re-eyed-treefrogs. The description is uncanny
I really wish I had a better memory-but I do remember something about seeing more pics posted June 4th on TH’s facebook before it was shut down. What I vaguely remember is some of Kiara and possibly some family outing pics? Was the pic of TH’s Dad on the tractor one of them? Or the ones taken at a restaurant or arcade? Help me out, whoever may also remember those other pics on June 4th!
All I know is I do remember other pics posted June 4-just not exactly which ones, besides the Kyron ones.
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Snipped from Sammy’s post:
Sammy says:
January 16, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Also this tidbit about TMH’s pix that were posted to FB on 6/4.
Reading at SM – there is a post from yesterday from Sassifras that brings up an interesting question about how many photo’s may have been taken that day.
Sassifras post is on page 45 of the current thread at SM – and contains a screen capture of TMH’s FB page that says: “(9) photo’s were posted on 6/4″.
BUT, only (4) photo’s (including the 2 pics we’re discussing above) are actually in her FB album.
Wonder what else TMH initially posted pix of to her FB on 6/4 ?
Who is in the missing (5) pictures ??
Who removed the missing (5) pictures??
Hmmmm.
beejay said “… So, before/after school care is downstairs in the cafeteria. Same floor as some of those electrical exhibits. Those exhibits were, we think, where Ky headed when he went downstairs. I’ve got it now.”
@beejay, At the risk of confusing you (and others) .. CR209 (or maybe CR211) was filled with electrical displays. The before/after school care is in CAFE102. There might have been other electrical displays. I have only been in half the classrooms.
Jden says:
January 16, 2011 at 1:49 pm
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/kyron-noglassesjpg-cc969e0971b99405.jpg
Above is a good zoom of the SF photo (LE’s KyH without glasses).
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The more I studied that picture-the clearer it got to me! Thanks Jden for posting this blow up!
What I always saw as a person leaning awkwardly back and to the side (with the stomach area facing us), I can now see is actually a person with his/her back to us, leaning down (as if looking at an exhibit), with the left arm extended out to the side and possibly holding onto something for support.
I also see (though blurry), what appears to be longish, dark hair falling over the hood of the plaid jacket.
Now that I am looking at it this way, the person appears to be thin.
Does anyone else see it the way I’m seeing it? Or am I going crazy/crazier?
irisheyeswebfoot says:
January 16, 2011 at 4:08 pm
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I should have read your post before I posted! I just posted the same thing about 9 pm PST! That is EXACTLY what I am seeing too, including the long, dark hair! I can’t believe how long I have thought that picture was totally opposite of what I now believe it to be. Weird.
I found this a very interesting report. There is no copyright shown – it is research requested in California by the Public Safety Committee Chair. I have included some excerpts. Especially interesting are the tables (which I did not copy) that compare states. I encourage you to read the entire report.
I keep thinking that if I can’t know anything specific about the person of “SZ”, then knowing general things about those like him might provide some direction in which to look or think. Maybe not helpful, but as many have said here, it’s hard to do nothing. I have made a few notes here and there in [brackets].
http://www.library.ca.gov/crb/06/08/06-008.pdf
The Impact of Residency Restrictions on Sex Offenders and Correctional Management Practices: A Literature Review
By Marcus Nieto, Senior Research Specialist
and Professor David Jung, Public Law Research Institute, Hastings Law School
California Research Bureau 2006
[Here is our word “lewd” from recent posts.]
According to California Penal Code § 288 (a) (b):
“A sex offender is any person who willfully and lewdly commits any lewd or lascivious act, upon or with the body, or any part or member thereof, of a child who is under the age of 14 years, with the intent of arousing, appealing to, or gratifying the lust, passions, or sexual desires of that person or the child. A sex offender is any person who commits an act by use of force, violence, duress, menace, or fear of immediate and unlawful bodily injury on the victim or another person.”
Each year there are 60,000 to 70,000 arrests on charges of child sexual assault, according to the U.S. Justice Department, of which only about 115 are abductions by strangers.
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Sex acts against children include possessing, viewing, or manufacturing child pornography, juvenile solicitation, pimping of a minor, and luring a child over the Internet. But the violent child molester and rapist who commits lewd and lascivious acts against a child or adult, and who commits such acts by use of force, duress, or menace, constitutes a unique class apart from other sex offenders and the larger class of felony offenders. These offenders are deemed “sexually violent predators” (SVP).
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[This next paragraph puts even more “why” into our sense of urgency to find who took Kyron.]
Pedophiles that molest boys and rapists of adult women are among those most likely to recidivate, according to research. There is also substantial evidence that sex offenders commit many undetected offenses, so a thorough assessment, including polygraph examinations and other types of psychological assessments, is useful in determining offense patterns and risk factors. Some sex offenders have a reasonable chance of recovery given long-term therapeutic support and supervision. For others, such as predatory offenders who prefer children, long-term direct supervision is critical. Both long-term risk assessment and treatment regimes are important.
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Between 1990 and 2002, a least 17 states enacted new civil commitment statutes for “sexually violent predators” (SVP). These statutes require that a SVP be confined and treated in a secure medical setting following completion of his criminal sentence. Civil commitment is different than a criminal sentence in that a criminal sentence has a definitive time frame. Civil commitment statutes generally continue indefinitely, or until it is determined that a person’s behavioral abnormality has changed to the extent that the person is no longer likely to engage in a predatory act of sexual violence. To initiate the civil commitment procedure, the California Department of Correction and Rehabilitation (CDCR) and the Board of Prison Terms (BPT) conduct a review of each inmate’s record during the six months before their parole release date to determine if the sexual offenses meet the legal definition. If the offender meets the legal definition he is referred to the Department of Mental Health (DMH) upon completion of his prison term to await the legal process for civil commitment.
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Due to [Texas] fiscal constraints, the civil commitment program for sexually violent predators (SVP) operates on an outpatient basis. Texas is the only state SVP civil commitment program in the country that operates this way. The annual outpatient cost ranges between $30,000 and $37,000 per client-offender. This compares to yearly inpatient SVP treatment costs of $80,000 to $125,000 per offender in fifteen other states. Sex offenders live in-group housing (if applicable) and engage in intensive sex offender treatment (testing, groups, individual and family sessions, etc.). They also must wear GPS devices, take anti-androgen medication, and undergo polygraph exams, penile plethysmograph exams, and substance abuse testing.
There is a significant difference between the Texas program and civil commitment programs in other states. In other states, the civilly committed sex offender is placed in a locked, secure residential facility and can choose not to participate in sex offender treatment. In Texas, civilly committed SVPs are allowed to transition back into the community where they are mandated to actively participate and comply with intensive outpatient sex offender treatment and supervision.
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Intervention strategies that combine therapeutic treatment, risk assessment, specialized supervision, and global positioning system (GPS) monitoring have some effect on reducing sex offender offenses and recidivism rates. States such as Colorado and Minnesota that have institutionalized this strategy have shown good results.
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At least six states have enacted laws requiring lifetime electronic monitoring for sex offenders, even if their sentences have expired. At least 23 states use GPS to monitor paroled sex offenders. In California, GPS pilot projects are underway in Los Angles, Orange, and San Diego counties to monitor over 400 high-risk paroled sex offenders. Some California county probation departments are also using GPS to monitor high-risk probationers. The cost to use GPS devices vary from state-to-state but average about $10 per day per offender.
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Registration may not be as effective as it might be. John Q. LaFond, editor of Protecting Society from Sexually Dangerous Offenders: Law, Justice, and Therapy, notes that in Florida, nearly half of the state’s released sex offenders are not on parole or probation, about a quarter (over 7,000) have run away or can not be found, and only a third are actually registered to live in Florida. “As a result, you have an excessively long list that does not generate enough accurate information to make registration useful to anyone.”
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The federal government does not keep data on how states implement Megan’s Law, nor does it evaluate their compliance efforts. For example, while the federal government mandates that all 50 states develop and maintain Internet websites containing sex offender registration information, there is very little data available on the effectiveness of these state efforts.
Washington State, which enacted a sex offender notification law in 1990, is the only state to have researched the efficacy of its notification law. The state found no reduction in sex crimes against children. However, the evaluation found a benefit in the increased level of community education about sex crimes, the various types of sex offenders, and the degree of risk they pose.
[Every state needs to evaluate and contribute to a national database, IMO. Maybe evaluating the law and compliance efforts could be another volunteer job for retired attorneys/judges?]
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Some states have legal requirements that can prevent communities from being notified in a timely manner when a high-risk sex offender is released in their neighborhood. [and a backlog of hearings and evaluations]
Recently a non-profit New York-based group of parents issued a nationwide report card (Megan’s Law Report Card) comparing sex offender registries and community notification programs of all 50 states. Survey questions ranged from the availability of phone access to sex offender databases to whether law enforcement agencies engage in door-to-door notification about high-risk offenders. . . The survey found that methods vary from state-to-state regarding how police notify residents of high-risk sex offenders moving into a neighborhood. California communities have Internet access to information about these high-risk sex offenders and most of the state’s 100,000 registered sex offenders. Some law enforcement agencies post fliers in police station lobbies, and others notify people door-to-door. There is no uniform state policy requiring law enforcement officers to directly notify the public.
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To alleviate housing problems for sex offenders transitioning from prison to the community in Minnesota, the Department of Corrections is increasing the number and capacity of halfway houses and establishing “three-quarter way houses.” Three-quarter way houses provide affordable housing and a positive community within the house. There is no staff on the premise, but some degree on monitoring by supervising agents takes place. These facilities allow for increased community supervision by parole agents, law enforcement, and the public. According to Minnesota Department of Corrections officials, there is no evidence that concentrating level three offenders in these facilities increases the likelihood of re-offense within the community.
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A local elected official from Iowa said, “If we can get these people out of our community, it’s not that these crimes won’t happen… It’s just that they won’t happen in my community.” [We will NEVER effectively deal with these problems if we don’t get over THIS attitude.]
Seattle police detective Bob Shilling, a nationally recognized expert on sex offenders, is of the opinion that sex-offender-free zones chase offenders “from one jurisdiction to another.” “It creates a lot more homeless sex offenders, which makes it a lot harder for us to keep track of them,” Shilling said. “They do not work. In fact, it exacerbates the problem.”
I posted this awhile back, but it seems relevant again.
Sanchez Estrada Brothers Business History
08-23-10 thru 08-23-12 active
Clean Factor, 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie 97267
Rep: Jaime Estrada, P O Box 2112, Oregon City 97045
01-08-08 thru 01-08-12
Business: R S Landscape Maintenance, 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie 97267
Rep: Rodolfo Sanchez, P O Box 347 Canby 97013
10-31-05 thru 11-01-07
Business: Rudy Sanchez Landscape Maintenance, 9850 SE Amherst St #50, Clackmas 97015
Rep: Rodolfo Sanchez, P O Box 347, Canby 97013
08-06-03 thru 08-07-05 failure to renew
Business: Estrada’s, 19839 S Hwy 213 #1040, Oregon City 97045
Rep: Jaime S Estrada, P O Box 347, Canby, 97013
Doing a reverse address search on the business addresses, the following names 1-9 are attached to a least one or more of the addresses. The eight additional names of possible relations were associated with one or more of the primary names on the reverse address search.
1. Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada (36)
Aka Rodolfo Sanchez, Rodolfo S Estrada
2. Jaime Sanchez Estrada (32)
Aka Jaime Sanchez Estrada SR, Jaime S Estrada, Jaime Estrada, Jaime Sanchez, Jamie Sanchez, Sanchez Estrada, Estrada R Sanchez, Estrada Sanchez
3. Ramiro Sanchez Estrada (49)
Aka Ramiro E Sanchez, Ramierz Estradia Sanchez, Estrada Ramiro Sanchez, Estrada R Sanchez, Ramiro Estrada, Ramiro Sanchez
*4. Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada (91)
Aka Rodolfo Sanchez, Rodolfo Estrada, Rodolfo S Estrada, Rodolfo Sanchezestrada, Rodolfo E Sanchez, Rodolfo S Sanchez Estrada
5. Leticia Sanchez
Aka Estrada Jaime Sanchez, Estrada Jamie Sanchez, Estrada J Sanchez
6. Roberto Sanchez
Aka Robert E Sanchez
7. Silvia Sanchez
Aka Silbia Sanchez
8. Lidia Sanchez
9. Francisca Estrada (34)
Possible relations:
**Lidia Sanchez-Sanchez
**Lydia Sanchez
Olivia Sanchez Estrada
Adriana Sanchez
Mercedes Angel
Jose Manuel Avila
Arturo S Castro
Baurista E Escalante
* I question this name and age as their is also a 91 year old Ubaldo Sanchez. Seems strange, two EXACTLY 91 year old men. Also a grandfather of a Sanchez Estrada male with the last name Sanchez Estrada does not seem right. FWIW
**It is possible that Lidia Sanchez, Lidia Sanchez-Sanchez and Lydia Sanchez are the same person with different spellings. I question whether Olivia Sanchez could be a misspelling or misunderstanding and also be the same person as Lidia.
“I do believe that we are going to get “whoa” information in the near future. Something that will knock our socks off.” – sassifras SM
She seems to be in the know.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9196.880
Here’s hoping.
Blink,
I haven’t done this before, so I’m sure I’m doing something wrong. I have used a “pen” name and I don’t understand when it says Website. What do I put in there? So, the reason that I’m posting this, is that I enlarged the photo of Kyron and the person in the plaid jacket. It looks like whoever it is, has long black hair. The hair appears to be a little below the shoulder, and it is not cut where it lays straight across. It appears to be clumped together here and there. I haven’t seen anyone else mention this, so, thought it could be important. Could someone help me with the correct way of being able to comment on your site? Thanks for your help. Concerned for Kyron.
the “website” input is voluntary, and whatever you put there appears bolded and a reader can click on it, and go there. It is more for track backs or pings.
B
Beejay and Kimberly,
Scroll to #8, look at possible roommates.
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=rodolfo&mn=&ln=sanchez&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=OR&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=62&y=16
Who is Rebecca and husband? Brian (from GA?)
http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=detail&_tab=PeopleSmart&_sea=PeopleByName&FirstName=rebecca&LastName=dahrens&State=OR&PageNumber=1&PageSize=50&_st=PeopleByName&NumResults=2&pid=000562206925&pfn=Rebecca&pln=Dahrens&pc=Fort Stewart&ps=GA
Brian is listed with My Builder in Oregon City from ’04 – ’06
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1013090&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
Has sinced moved and re-registered business in 2010.
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1434670&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
More Veromi on Brian: A BETTER BOOK KEEPER
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=brian&mn=&ln=dahrens&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=OR&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=81&y=13
Can not find the book keeping business in OR or WA
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264
(Kaine Horman was among others at the Northwest Conference Against Trafficking on Sunday.)
Can one assume this is what happened with Kyron?
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264
(Kaine Horman was among others at the Northwest Conference Against Trafficking on Sunday.)
Does Kaine believe this has happened to Kyron?
Testing, oy vey!
Blink my dear, will you ever answer the question how and where is Red Ranger?
I have, repeatedly. with respect, I do not advise posters status’s.
One thing I always guarantee on my end, is contributor’s anonymity since they take the time to participate.
B
I don’t think flannel shirt man is a man. There is a hint of long hair seen at the very top of the jacket. It could be the stripes on the jacket, but to me it looks more like brunette hair flowing over the top of the jacket. The person also appears obese, although a pregnant woman could have the same appearance. The person appears to by facing toward the right side of the picture and bending over to look at something.
Judging from the quality of the picture, I suspect a dedicated camera was used. Most cell-phone cameras take very good outside photographs, but do poorly in indoor environments. The room does appear very well lit and I cannot rule out a phone camera, but suspect it is less likely.
If LE confiscated TH’s phone and camera shortly after the incident, they most likely have recovered the original files. This picture was not taken with a low-res camera from an inexpensive phone, and, even if deleted, the files still likely exist in the camera/phones flash memory (built in or SD card).
As far as pictures on TH’s camera or phone, I suspect the science fair pictures are not relevant to the case. But older pictures might be interesting and useful, especially if unusual locations are included and GPS metadata is included. There could be evidence of “scouting” sites, etc.
@GeorgiaDad: you said, “I suspect the science fair pictures are not relevant to the case”
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Good reasoning, IMHO. If the Ky grabber was anywhere near a camera I believe he’s clever enough to have aborted his plans for that day.
I want to know who AS-S’s homies are. As well as Rudy’s.
I’m sorry madam! I never did see a reply. My bad! I was just wondering if he was still around. I guess or kinda/sorta thought he was part of the Blinkteam. Wrong as usual. Didn’t want his exact coordinates! lol! You know how I worry, miss and care ’bout folks just really miss his humor.
Hey Puzz…do we know who the project belongs to that the plaid shirt person might be bending over to look at? Who’s project was in that area? May not be one there or person may be avoiding camera or bending to talk to a child. Who knows anymore! Gotta go to work so have a great day all!
puzzled says:
January 16, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Anyone else notice on the Aug 15th notice children Jamie and Ubaldo
http://helpthesechildren.ning.com/photo/companion-elsy-mejiasanchez?xg_source=activity
Elsy is referred to as a “companion” with felony warrant for “custodial interference”
Could children Jamie and Ubaldo be adopted children of Ubaldo R Sanchez and Elizabeth Sanchez Estrada, a/k/a Elizabeth Estrada Sanchez and Elsy is the mother working for the family?
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@ puzzled.
Hmmm… now that’s interesting.
I’ve looked at a couple of different versions of the missing/wanted poster and this is the first one I’ve seen that has used the word “Companion” in it.
This new poster is otherwise worded much like all the other ones I’ve seen.
They all say:
“Jamie and Ubaldo were allegedly abducted by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez.
A Felony Warrant has been issued for Elsy.”
But then the header/title on this new poster has the weirdly worded:
“Companion” Elsy Mejia-Sanchez – Oregon
No idea what this means. Mother/Companion?
Good catch Puzz!
http://helpthesechildren.ning.com/photo/companion-elsy-mejiasanchez?xg_source=activity
Just call me “Michael Jackson” cuz “I’m bad, I’m bad” … been calling the telephone #’s of the businesses. ALL go to a default generic phone # canned message. No one answers … ever.
GeorgiaDad says –
I don’t think flannel shirt man is a man. There is a hint of long hair seen at the very top of the jacket. It could be the stripes on the jacket, but to me it looks more like brunette hair flowing over the top of the jacket. The person also appears obese, although a pregnant woman could have the same appearance. The person appears to by facing toward the right side of the picture and bending over to look at something.
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Maybe there’s another child pulling on the arm we don’t see. I thought the person looked obese too, but those jackets will make most anyone look obese. Pregnant could be – I can’t tell you how many times I used my husband’s jackets when I was pregnant, no longer working for awhile, and didn’t want to buy something that wouldn’t fit later.
Ok, back to SM. Just popped in say you guys are doing some great sleuthing. Keep up the good work!
“GeorgiaDad says:
January 17, 2011 at 10:01 am
I don’t think flannel shirt man is a man. There is a hint of long hair seen at the very top of the jacket”
Lol, GeorgiaDad, this is the great NW. Come for a visit and you will see lots and lots of flowing brunette hair over collars and down the backs of both genders, and blond locks and red locks and gray locks!
I’m assuming this latest discussion about the person in the pic who is accompanying a little girl is a re-newed discussion about the person who was previously referred to as Lumberjack (which holds a degree of hilarity for locals as we call persons who work in the woods “loggers” not “lumberjacks.”
Links have been posted which stated this person had been identified and questioned by LE. LE, however, has not made a specific statement about the veracity of the MSM reported claim, that the person was not a suspect per se and wanted anonymity. That leaves us believing this person was identified or believing the information reported by MSM was false.
If we can believe this report consisted of false information, then we need to review our justification for why we believe some reports to be true and others not.
I am not convinced that this person has not been identified, and the information received and reported by MSM did not originate from LE.
We have seen a second picture with another gentleman who has been identified and raises no concerns. We have heard reports from the school that a teacher saw TH take pics of Kyron and his classmate. These facts add at least four people to the room, the other gentleman, the teacher, the classmate and the classmate’s parent/g-parent/caregiver.
Doesn’t it seem feasible that at least one of these known persons in the classroom (and there may have been many others) would have noticed and identified this person?
Would it not be likely that this pic would have been widely distributed by LE in an attempt to identify the girl or the man?
Would the Multnomah County DA’s office in cahoots with members of the grand jury and all the several LE agencies withhold information that a picture depicts a suspected serial pedo-killer? So they can build a case against TH? Even if I believed the entire judicial system and law enforcement to be completely corrupt and incompetent, I cannot believe the members of the GJ would allow a secret which would place children in grave danger.
I think known facts combined with common sense should tell us that discussing the person’s hair color, attire and physique in association with being suspected of committing a horrendous crime against an innocent child will not help us find Kyron nor figure out what happened to him.