Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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While I am not stating the Oregonian and/or Willamette Week are responsible for rushing the MFH sting, the actions of LE on June 26 and Kaine on July 1 certainly point to this being a possibility.
What is not disputed is that Kaine was informed of the MFH plot on June 26, as Blink said. Kaine said this himself.
If LE rushed the sting because of the O and WW threatening to publish the story, Kaine would have had no prior knowledge because LE ran the sting and informed Kaine of the MFH plot on the same day.
It could be just plain incompetence and coincidence, but the failed sting did indeed give the impression of a rushed operation – getting Kaine out the same day, open mikes, etc.
There had to be a very specific reason the O and WW were targeted specifically by an angered Kaine on July 1 (just days after the failed MFH sting) and accused of not being team players. Most likely this was based upon information supplied by LE.
All this being said, I really hope the media has played no part in compromising efforts to locate Kyron.
I can tell you that the issue had to do with personal information that came out anyway. It was attempts to control events by folks not versed in PR, understandably.
I cannot have the intimation that the press compromised anything in this case, because it is not true.
B
Letsworktogether says:
December 28, 2010 at 8:51 pm
OKAY, one thing that has always stuck out to me, in the above, is where Kaine states that Teri was “ALREADY” in the house, on her laptop, when I arrived.
If my husband last saw me in the early morning, he knew I was going out, driving child to school, possibly working out, ………fast forward to that afternoon, and if my husband was asked about me, I do not think the normal response would be that I was “already” in the house…
It almost sounds to me that Kaine knew that Teri was out and about shortly before he got home. My own opinion, moo
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I don’t have time to hunt for the link, but one interviewer (or email question) asked Kaine what a typical day would be like at the Horman house. Kaine said that Terri typically ran errands in the middle of the day, but that he didn’t know specifically what she did or where she went and when. To me, it seemed that there might be times when he came home early to finish working at home and, knowing she was usually out in the middle of the day, found that she was not home yet, so he made a point of saying she was already home.
My question would be – was somebody always home when Kyron got home? If someone wasn’t there, what was the plan? The bus driver would need a plan from the parent – either permission to leave him there alone with the understanding he had a way to get into the house, or the driver would have to take him back to school or a PPS designated place if no one met him and it was unexpected. It’s likely someone always met the bus, but it would be interesting to know if Kyron was ever left there alone.
B wrote “I am referring to a meeting conducted and facilitated by LE, and Kaine was not at the school that day, is the Father of a missing child, and a material witness and should have absolutely no involvement or appearance. For a myriad of reasons, the last thing LE needs is accounts that could potentially be influenced in any way.
This is to be used as an investigtive tool to progress the investigation, while I support all other efforts for the community to support each other and itself, I am specifically referring to a meeting to progress leads in this case.”
I couldn’t agree more. LE’s current turnaround time for the tip line is slow to say the best. It creates a huge threshold in sharing details. People like myself do not bring this machine in motion for seemingly unimportant details.
My main concern would be that once all people involved share their details, would we also move away from independent verifiable eyewitness reports?
blink,
I am surprised by your comment below.
(snipped from above)
All the above being said, I would not let this woman near my toddler (Kiara) until she was cleared of any involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, or the extent of any complicity was known and evaluated.
B
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hopefully Kyron will be found today, if not, then nobody knows how long until he is found. The likely hood of them clearing TH of any involvement is slim, They should, but it is doubtful.
Therefor she could be prevented from seeing her daughter indefinitely if he is never found.
And on what basis?
KH? DY? Nothing against DY, but she has stated many times long term resentment, YEARS of resentment regarding TH. And KH is not exactly objective.
A horrible wrong has been done to Kyron. That does not mean that Kiara and James has to be withheld from their mother because we do not know what happened to him. LE either needs to clear her or arrest her but her children do not need to be a pawn until they decide.
I say this because I would not want this to happen to me, and it could happen to anyone of us. Its wrong. There is no indication that has been presented to us that TH was neglectful to her children in anyway.
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5. Repeat- Yes, that is correct, the agency who she now knew was treating her as a defacto suspect, she called them for help 3x in one day.
INTERESTING INFO: according to earlier reports, before sting, it was Terri who called 911 after finding out Kyron was not on the bus. According to Bunch there are others 911 calls. Are we to over look the fact that this woman was calling for help many times? Was she the target all along, and not Kaine or Kyron, it makes me wonder…
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008411-504083.html
“It’s been reported that Kyron attended the school’s science fair that day with his stepmother, who says she last saw him walking down the hallway in the direction of his classroom. Horman called 911 after Kyron did not return home on his school bus.”
Note to readers: Not a syllable of this account has been confirmed, and since I know for a fact that Kaine did NOT KNOW about the mfh plot until the morning of the 26th at the earliest, I do not even see how this is possible.
The mfh plot was The oregonian’s scoop, Max Bernstein to be exact, so the timing does not work either.
The “sting” failed because:
1. They believed their witness after confronting TH and she denied it, so in essence, she had advance knowledge that they knew about her involvement with Rudy Sanchez.
2. It was executed on an open channel, she knew her house was bugged, and since I have seen the transcript of the “sting”, there is some possibility she may have seen some of the “friendly’s” in position on her way back to the house..
3. They did not count on TH calling the police on the guy who says she tried to hire him to kill her husband- who would do that if they had something to hide, and then follow it up with calls to MCSO about custody.
4. It was born from the perspective that TH knows where Kyron is, and with no evidence he was not alive, they acted, they felt, prudently to effectively “rescue” him. For that, I will not condemn the action, but there is a reason the DA took over this investigation.
5. Repeat- Yes, that is correct, the agency who she now knew was treating her as a defacto suspect, she called them for help 3x in one day.
All the above being said, I would not let this woman near my toddler (Kiara) until she was cleared of any involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, or the extent of any complicity was known and evaluated.
B
Cbickel says:
December 29, 2010 at 6:37 am
I know I sound like a broken record here, but I’m gonna say it again. “We” have no idea if TH has or has not talked to LE via her attorney, for all we know she could be singin’ like a bird in order to strike a deal…we will not know that until the time comes for somebody to be arrested.
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You are correct. We have no idea what’s really going on at all.
Part of me thinks Houze would never agree to let TH cooperate or strike a deal without viewing all the evidence LE has against her. If TH has admitted guilt to Houze, however, a deal/cooperation could be in the works.
Desiree’s confident statements saying TH will be arrested and will go to jail could confirm that either a deal is being worked out or LE feels confident she will be charged/convicted.
We just don’t know.
So SZ has no e-print. That means that someone has seen something on a computer/the internet/cell phone that is not traceable back to him, but is most assuredly his? What was seen, that LE knows is from him, that couldn’t be traced and who saw it?
Did TH or LE get a ransom note, or possibly an untraceable ransom text?
Or is this the unspeakable that LE wishes they didn’t know. Blink eluded to the suspicion that this guy thinks he’s smarter than LE and LE Officers, and is confident enough to hide in plain site. Is he or has he taunted LE through the medium of his masterful IT skills? Would taunting fit into this guys profile?
Whatever they’ve found in cyber world it seems as though it must unequivocally link SZ with Kyron.
It’s a big question as to what LE knows that they wish they didn’t, and how they “know” what they know. Is it related to this chain of thought?
Any insight?
omg, after reading posts since Christmas, one with a theory jumped out at me & I literally had a flash of my own theory. Sexually motivated… did Ky go out to the truck for something & did he see the mystery person in the truck with the baby doing something inappropriate? Ky may not have recognized the action, but mystery person may have paniced & gone back to take care of him? Terri could actually be innocent of direct wrong doing but did “let the vampire in”. strictly my imagination working over-time, but….
mosaic says:
December 29, 2010 at 11:19 am
“The agency who she now knew was treating her as a defacto suspect, she called them for help 3x in one day.” B
I think this is important.
No one expected her to call 911. But yet that was her first reaction to feeling threatened that day. There’s more to the story. We’re not seeing everything.
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Exactly. You would think that someone who was involved with disappearing a child (and her own step-child, at that!), would want to be as far from ANY police presence as she could possibly be. She would try to keep herself free from any scrutiny in that department.
Instead, the fact was that TH made not one, not two–but three calls to LE for help the day of the sting. That has got to mean something.
We need to put ourselves in her shoes. If she had really done something to get rid of a child–would she place extra attention on herself by calling even more police into her life?
Twenty four days after Kyron went missing TH still trusted LE enough to call them for help. Is she so brilliant that she did it knowing that people would look at it later (like we are doing), and think: Oh, Terri must be innocent or she wouldn’t call police herself? Or…did she not think at all because she felt she had nothing to worry about and simply needed help-and had no fear of calling LE for that help?
I have read that the scuttlebutt around Portland is that TH sold Kyron. If TH did sell him–would she actually call LE for help and invite even more police involvement into her life than what was already there? I find that sort of hard to believe–unless she really is a criminal mastermind. The thing is, her other activities don’t point to a criminal mastermind persona ( calling police for help, sexting her hubby’s friend after her step child disappeared, moving in with her parents, etc., etc.)
I still feel she associated with really bad people (and maybe KH did too), and that is how someone got into their lives and was able to take Kyron.
If it turns out that TH did sell Kyron, I will eat my hat—except I don’t wear hats, so someone will have to lend me one
Blink, I think you’ve said in the past that if there was a shred of evidence that Kyron left the school with Terri, she would be arrested by now.
Wouldn’t the same standard be held to SZ, assuming LE does have a name and a positive ID from at least one witness?
Has SZ been interviewed by law enforcement?
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Something else has been sticking in my mind lately. Kaine’s divorce attorney threatened discovery if Terri pursued further her request for visitation with Kiara. Specifically, it was said that “medical records” would be pursued. Has anyone else picked up on that? Made me wonder what it is that Terri is so afraid they’ll discover. Perhaps it isn’t anything related to Kyron’s disappearance per se, but something else? Drugs? Psych evals? I thought that was all very curious. But, even drug-addicted mothers with mental illness are allowed to visit their children, are they not?
About friend K being older than Ky.. their class is a 2nd/3rd combined, yes? I just figured they were buddies from the same class. They are only a year apart. Is this another of those sinister things I’m overlooking?
@ Lea: What is your concern about the retelling of the bus incident? It’s clear it bothers you, but I can’t understand exactly why.
When people retell a story several times, the details frequently change. These were not official interviews.. it was Oprah! I’m late posting this, but see that someone else has stiched it together as virtually the same story. What specifically bothers you?
Someone asked this week about the samples of Kyron’s clothing that was displayed. I’ve had the link open here but no chance to reply. See the clothing photos here: http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm#kyron
“the likenesses of the shirt, pants, socks and shoes Kyron was wearing on the day of his disappearance. The pants displayed here are of the same style Kyron was wearing, but those he was last seen in were darker. Otherwise these clothes represent identifying items in this search. We show these items to create additional awareness for the public – seeing any of these items individually (a sock, a shirt or shoe) could be the tip that we need to locate Kyron.”
Some people have asked about where J spent the holiday. Photos posted to his stepmother’s FB show he was at his father’s. It appears that he was there last Christmas, too FWIW.
This might be the most useless post ever. : )
Re: Jden says:
December 28, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Please stop perpetuating the myth that Satanic ritual abuse actually exists. It was proven to be a complete fallacy several years ago. Although anything is possible considering the sick individuals that roam freely in our society, no hard evidence of Satanic Ritual Abuse in North America has ever been found.
“A four-year study in the early 1990s found the allegations of satanic ritual abuse to be without merit. The study was conducted by University of California at Davis psychology professors Gail S. Goodman and Phillip R. Shaver, in conjunction with Jianjian Qin of U.C. Davis and Bette I. Bottoms of the University of Illinois at Chicago. Their study was supported by the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect. The researchers investigated more than 12,000 accusations and surveyed more than 11,000 psychiatric, social service, and law enforcement personnel. The researchers could find no unequivocal evidence for a single case of satanic cult ritual abuse.
A study published in 1992 by Kenneth V. Lanning—a Supervisory Special Agent at the FBI Academy—came to the same conclusion: there is no good evidence for a single case of SRA. Lanning has investigated SRA since 1981.”
A summary of the Goodman et al. study may be obtained for free by calling the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect at 1-800-394-3366
It does exist in proclivities of pedos, but not the way it has been portrayed and there is more evidence that pedos actually introduce such notions so nobody believes their victims.
We agree there is no “organized satanic ritual abuse” per se, but as I said, I have personally worked on a case where this was “on the surface”. This is a highly complex issue and subject matter and not one I wish to tackle on here when it is off topic in this case-
Do not even challenge me on this one, I know SA Lanning, and he is imo, the pre-eminent authority on the issue. I am in the process of a con ed class designed by his group.
For those interested, if you were to ask me about a case that keeps me up at night-
Please keep comments on the below threads if you wish to leave any:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/01/11/shave-haircut-and-child-porn-the-barber-of-st-francis-vernon-c-seitz-part-i/
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/01/12/no-connection-to-other-pending-cases-mpd-closing-the-case-nothing-to-see-here-the-barber-of-st-francis-vernon-c-seitz-part-ii/
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/01/22/possible-link-between-vernon-seitz-case-and-daniel-%E2%80%9Cdanny%E2%80%9D-barter-missing-persons-case/
Very interesting, if it is true, that Kim Holm’s children support Satan. They were hanging out with Kyron only days before he went missing. This should be investigated, thoroughly. Prayers today and everyday for little Kyron. Everyone is tyring little guy. Everyone wants you home.
Thank you and I hate the class worse than the decomp study, seriously.
B
Anyone know the size of the soccer field at Skyline School? TIA
pdxgirl: (snip) Something else has been sticking in my mind lately. Kaine’s divorce attorney threatened discovery if Terri pursued further her request for visitation with Kiara. Specifically, it was said that “medical records” would be pursued. Has anyone else picked up on that? Made me wonder what it is that Terri is so afraid they’ll discover….
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Hmmm…now that is interesting. Whose medical records?
Blink says:
I cannot have the intimation that the press compromised anything in this case, because it is not true.
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I am very glad to hear that; thank you.
seriously cosmos?
Come on.
B
Neighbor-
As a Skyline parent, would you be able to “move such a meeting to happen” ?
W/o “control” of PPS &/ or principal ?
I am not asking you to reply …
-but-
Would you be able to speak w/ Rod Underhill &/or Norm Frink as a Skyline parent voicing your concerns & requesting a “DA controlled session w/ @ the very least, all parents on the list & maybe even w/ their students (?)” WITHOUT KH ? Teachers, staff etc could have their own session away from parents/ students if there is “liability” issues etc. &/ or IF parents do not feel as open w/ them present.
I am sure it was no wrong intent when KH went to the meeting @ Skyline w/ LE but I feel many parents probably held their tongue since KH was there.
Maybe the church across the street would allow y’all to meet in their space w/o charge ?
I am sure Blink/private could further explain IF you needed more fleshing out w/”type of session”.
I hope all the parents @ Skyline would be willing to “discuss” w/ DA & each other IF DA agrees.
With your question: “My main concern would be that once all people involved share their details, would we also move away from independent verifiable eyewitness reports?” would be one for the DA’s to answer. With a DA’s @ a session (& possible LE, too) I would think they would be able to keep “from mudding the water”. But yes, it would be a fine line to walk & possible some “witnesses” might be excluded. For that reason the “session &/ or sessions” may be recorded -or- not.
But it does not hurt to ask CDA Rod Underhill &/ or CDA Norm Frink.
God speed neighbor.
Y’all (parents. students, staff) remain in our thoughts & prayers–everyday.
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neighbor says:
December 29, 2010 at 3:02 pm
B wrote “I am referring to a meeting conducted and facilitated by LE, and Kaine was not at the school that day, is the Father of a missing child, and a material witness and should have absolutely no involvement or appearance. For a myriad of reasons, the last thing LE needs is accounts that could potentially be influenced in any way.
This is to be used as an investigtive tool to progress the investigation, while I support all other efforts for the community to support each other and itself, I am specifically referring to a meeting to progress leads in this case.”
I couldn’t agree more. LE’s current turnaround time for the tip line is slow to say the best. It creates a huge threshold in sharing details. People like myself do not bring this machine in motion for seemingly unimportant details.
My main concern would be that once all people involved share their details, would we also move away from independent verifiable eyewitness reports?
@Jeff D says:
December 29, 2010 at 10:41 pm
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Jeff D: excellent question! I had assumed Terri’s, but the article was ambiguous about whose records would be subpoenaed. Specifically:
“In response to [Terri's motion for visitation], counsel for Petitioner informed me that she intended to engage in extensive discovery, including ‘multiple depositions’ and subpoenas for medical records, followed by a four-day trial, all to support her client’s position that no parenting time at all is appropriate.”
http://www.kval.com/news/local/112506339.html
I recall similar language about medical records in earlier articles when Terri first withdrew the request.
Seriously… maybe I’ll just go back to reading only
Nancy~
I can tell you, in Portland it appeared & felt like KH was having a “hissy fit” w/ Oregonian & Willamette Week. The 2-largest, in circulation, newspapers in THE STATE.
IMO KH’s “hissy fit” seemed aimed @ these 2-newspapers because they had been publishing “personal information” about “the adults”.
As “weird” as hearing of KH “hissy fit” was to see the SWIFT ACTION (AFTER) BY MCSO stating MCSO had NO problem w/ either of the two newspapers.
JMO I saw KH’s “actions” as his “continued controlling manner” w/ regards to ANY information being released.
JMO I have no “proof” but I see WW’s removing itself from really any reporting of Kyron’s case since that time, is due to KH’s “actions” @ the aforementioned press conference.
IMO KH did NOT endear himself to many due to his “stance” & many presser after were “spoken” by DY.
JMO but if my child were missing, I would NOT be worried what chit about ANY adult came out.
What I WOULD worry is my missing child was not spoken/printed/talked etc ANYMORE about.
IMO a presser that laid out EVERYTHING in the closet or otherwise, should be held. Once that “stressful but honest” Q & A was out in the open, than there would be no continued “un-earthing” of “skeltons or anything else” and everyone can move on to what is important–the child.
JMHO By “playing” a “game of dodge ball” w/ any & all personal questions just makes EVERYONE, not just MSM, question WHAT IS the BIG SECRET(S) …
IMO there “still” remains a lingering “cloud” over KH due to his “not going to talk about it/ that’s all I’m gonna say” remarks, that leaves many w/ WTH is he HIDING ?
JMHO the press was doing what is expected — reporting. MSM was printing ANY information it could find, which was showing conflicting “information” being presented by TMH’s family & friends & to give the public ANY information to have some clue as to who was who in Kyron’s case.
JMHO
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Nancy says:
December 29, 2010 at 2:24 pm
“While I am not stating the Oregonian and/or Willamette Week are responsible for rushing the MFH sting…”
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“I can tell you that the issue had to do with personal information that came out anyway. It was attempts to control events by folks not versed in PR, understandably.”
“I cannot have the intimation that the press compromised anything in this case, because it is not true.”
B
TMH is REFUSING to do ANYTHING to SEE her own daughter.
TMH has stated via her attorneys SHE VAULES HER FREEDOM over ANY VISITATION etc w/ her daughter.
TMH has made her daughter a “pawn” by NOT VERBALLY SPEAKING IN HER OWN DEFENSE.
By TMH’s own attorney, Jt/e/M IS LIVING w/ her (in Roseburg).
When TMH was served w/ RO & divorce papers, there were VERY specify directions a person needs to do w/ the court to OBJECT to the RO. TMH did NOTHING but get a CRIMINAL attorney.
TMH IS NOT a VICTIM nor is THIS just HAPPENING to her — she is LETTING it HAPPEN for HER FREEDOM.
TMH not seeing daughter has ZERO to do w/ DY’s beliefs etc.
JMHO
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Midwest Mom says:
December 29, 2010 at 3:27 pm
blink,
I am surprised by your comment below.
(snipped from above)
All the above being said, I would not let this woman near my toddler (Kiara) until she was cleared of any involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, or the extent of any complicity was known and evaluated.
B
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hopefully Kyron will be found today, if not, then nobody knows how long until he is found. The likely hood of them clearing TH of any involvement is slim, They should, but it is doubtful.
Therefor she could be prevented from seeing her daughter indefinitely if he is never found.
And on what basis?
KH? DY? Nothing against DY, but she has stated many times long term resentment, YEARS of resentment regarding TH. And KH is not exactly objective.
A horrible wrong has been done to Kyron. That does not mean that Kiara and James has to be withheld from their mother because we do not know what happened to him. LE either needs to clear her or arrest her but her children do not need to be a pawn until they decide.
I say this because I would not want this to happen to me, and it could happen to anyone of us. Its wrong. There is no indication that has been presented to us that TH was neglectful to her children in anyway.
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5. Repeat- Yes, that is correct, the agency who she now knew was treating her as a defacto suspect, she called them for help 3x in one day.
INTERESTING INFO: according to earlier reports, before sting, it was Terri who called 911 after finding out Kyron was not on the bus. According to Bunch there are others 911 calls. Are we to over look the fact that this woman was calling for help many times? Was she the target all along, and not Kaine or Kyron, it makes me wonder…
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008411-504083.html
“It’s been reported that Kyron attended the school’s science fair that day with his stepmother, who says she last saw him walking down the hallway in the direction of his classroom. Horman called 911 after Kyron did not return home on his school bus.”
Note to readers: Not a syllable of this account has been confirmed, and since I know for a fact that Kaine did NOT KNOW about the mfh plot until the morning of the 26th at the earliest, I do not even see how this is possible.
The mfh plot was The oregonian’s scoop, Max Bernstein to be exact, so the timing does not work either.
The “sting” failed because:
1. They believed their witness after confronting TH and she denied it, so in essence, she had advance knowledge that they knew about her involvement with Rudy Sanchez.
2. It was executed on an open channel, she knew her house was bugged, and since I have seen the transcript of the “sting”, there is some possibility she may have seen some of the “friendly’s” in position on her way back to the house..
3. They did not count on TH calling the police on the guy who says she tried to hire him to kill her husband- who would do that if they had something to hide, and then follow it up with calls to MCSO about custody.
4. It was born from the perspective that TH knows where Kyron is, and with no evidence he was not alive, they acted, they felt, prudently to effectively “rescue” him. For that, I will not condemn the action, but there is a reason the DA took over this investigation.
5. Repeat- Yes, that is correct, the agency who she now knew was treating her as a defacto suspect, she called them for help 3x in one day.
All the above being said, I would not let this woman near my toddler (Kiara) until she was cleared of any involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, or the extent of any complicity was known and evaluated.
B
43.iodizedseasalt says:
December 29, 2010 at 12:51 pm
@mosaic that was her MO- she called the police right away for everything. It made her the victim. I know people that call the police constantly for every argument disturbance etc…
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I totally agree. On many levels Terri is smart. She knew that by calling the police, she would appear innocent, particularly if she knew the sting was police instigated. Additionally, calling the police has worked to her advantage in the past so it had become a fall back for her. I think back on Terri keeping her ex husband from James while collecting child support from him although he was not James’s birth father, and remember a certain call to police to scare her ex husband into complying.
She’s conniving, this one.
Post Script~
Midwest Mom- In EVERY child custody case before the court BOTH parents need to SPEAK to the court/Judge so an informed decision can be made for the well-being of the child(ren). Also, both sides must do any therapy, mental &/ or physical testing etc. as the COURT sees fit that is needed.
TMH being asked to do that/this IS NOT any more than required of KH.
IMO TMH is the one “wanting it all ie. visitation &/ or custody” w/o showing/ telling/doing for the court ANYTHING.
JMHO
Regarding the discussion of Terri calling 911 so many times –
I agree that it doesn’t seem logical if you have something you want to hide – something people can actually see when standing there. However, she had nothing to physically hide. Everything had been searched thoroughly.
I believe I have said this before, but what I see over the years is more like the classic stories of the “poor little rich girl” who runs to Daddy, hides behind him while hanging onto his coattails, whimpers and accuses from her safe place – knowing that whatever happened is her fault but hoping to get someone else in trouble by telling lies to remain “Daddy’s good girl”.
I have always thought she just substituted the (911) police rescue in place of “Daddy” every time she was in trouble. It has always worked. I would not be the slightest bit surprised if she did it again tomorrow. I think it makes her feel powerful, feel like “people” care and will take care of her, and feel like she’s right and now everyone sees that.
My comments are about why she does it, IMO, not about whether she has been right in each circumstance. It seems to mirror her relationship with her parent(s) according to what we have been able to find out.
She always seems to be the victim, therefore, she deserves the rescue.
3.Midwest Mom says:
December 29, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Midwest Mom says, “LE either needs to clear her or arrest her but her children do not need to be a pawn until they decide.
I say this because I would not want this to happen to me, and it could happen to anyone of us. Its wrong. There is no indication that has been presented to us that TH was neglectful to her children in anyway.”
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@Midwest Mom, You say that LE *needs* to clear TMH as if they have it in their power to blindly clear someone. It is TMH that has to provide the information that will clear her name.
I cannot fairly judge whether it is right or wrong to withhold visitation privileges from TMH without knowing more about the case. IIRC, she has not been denied access to her older son. TMH is, by her own lawyer’s admission, a de facto suspect in the disappearance of her stepson, and may also be the subject of another criminal investigation. Until she provides information to clear her name OR LE gathers inculpatory evidence on an unrelated/unlinked suspect, I think it is likely that measures will be continue to be taken to ensure Kiara’s safety. MOO.
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Midwest Mom writes, “INTERESTING INFO: according to earlier reports, before sting, it was Terri who called 911 after finding out Kyron was not on the bus. According to Bunch there are others 911 calls. Are we to over look the fact that this woman was calling for help many times? Was she the target all along, and not Kaine or Kyron, it makes me wonder…
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@Midwest Mom: According to the the MCSO website, the school secretary placed the call to 9-1-1. But, I do agree that TMH seems to have a certain propensity for for dialing those three numbers, so I think you pose some good questions. I find her number of 9-1-1 calls that span two marriages to be a little suspicious. The flip side could be that she was using 9-1-1 to intimidate. We just don’t know.
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom/Kyron_PIO_timeline.pdf
18.pdxgirl says:
December 29, 2010 at 11:53 pm
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I am pretty sure they are referring to TMH’s medical records.
@Jan said “What is in his field of vision from that classroom vantage point, a side door or exit? Was there for example a “cool electric” SF project directly in front of him?”
Thanks for bringing this back to our attention. The picture was taken from the door towards the far corner of the classroom. I remember Ky’s project, but not much about the rest of the classroom. You can see more details of that far corner in the next FB picture. In that picture I see a bunch of old computer monitors. I do not know anybody that identified this mystery man.
evie says:
December 29, 2010 at 7:47 pm
@ Lea: What is your concern about the retelling of the bus incident? It’s clear it bothers you, but I can’t understand exactly why.
When people retell a story several times, the details frequently change. These were not official interviews.. it was Oprah! I’m late posting this, but see that someone else has stiched it together as virtually the same story. What specifically bothers you?
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I don’t know about Lea but for me it go to Kaines ability to have one standard for himself and another one for everyone else.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-parents-to-go-on-Oprah-missing-portland-102816349.html
“She would change her story daily, if not more than that,” Kaine told Oprah. “Every time you talked to her, it was a little bit different about what happened that day.”
In the big picture Kaine’s multiple descriptions of the bus event is probably no big deal. JMO
I really want to jump in here and help with Kyron. Not sure if this post will work so this is just sort of a test.
@Jeff D and pdxgirl: here’s the thing about the records…that’s about the divorce and not about finding Kyron. If he wants to subpoena medical records why not just do it? Why put that out for the public to know?
I think we all know that if they need to subpoena for medical records, then those records would NOT be his own children’s and would be TH’s.
I don’t know, I just am not impressed with the way the divorce is becoming more public than the possibility of a SZ with a description. I think I’ve heard all I want to hear about KH,TH,DY,TY,DDS,MC,RS,
AS-S,the list goes on and on does it not?
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates
To Jan…..very interesting observations about MM, ie Mystery Man in Teri’s June 4th pictures. An earlier short snip from you regarding MM and envelope had me perplexed, but now I get it.
It has been asked before, who is this man? Is he on the list?
The questions raised about the order of the pics, timing of the pics, are very good questions.
Let’s tackle this area; put our trench coat’s on, grab our hats (and I’ll take a bite out of mine, too). With all the great Blinkage here, this needs to be explored, bit by bit.
Lemmee introduce you to a pedo that still lives in Kirkland, WA. His whole power over his victims was because he claimed to “Feel the devil crawl in to his back”. He preyed on the weakest. He preyed on his own boy and girl. He preyed on the young -youngest girls and boys who would listen. When that line didn’t work to make him feared or adored, he’d pull out the “Got Saved” line. All his lines-always were above and beyond anything human or natural. Oh yes, as in the movies, maybe it doesn’t exist. As a tool for molding the innocent-it is alive and well. A ‘lost’ child. As in one who is lost in their own home- would be highly susseptible(sp?) to this.
@ 31 blink. A reverse 8 hr drive yesterday night left me late seeing posts.
TY for clarifying twould be called & led by LE, as originally I thot you meant a trained psychologist or trained facilitator in general, and that local Skyline parents would need to convene.
Your clarification is spot on as always re ideal scope & focus in my hopefully humble opinion.
Since the DA has taken over the investigation, don’t you think this useful technique unlikely unless family “group” (KH/DY) brings serious pressure to bear?
Sorry, I had not seen riverpearl’s wonderful post @ 17 when making mine. About a DA controlled session. Yes, if they’ve taken over theinvestigation, wouldn’t they have to approve this technique’s use? However, I think Blink was saying this is a standard LE tool for which some LE have been trained. My guess is the trained LE facilatator would be from FBI, even perhaps an FBI psychologist. From a lay perspective I think anyone attending from DA’s office would be intimidating/inhibiting & one goal is the disinhibition of memories The free exchange would also be aided by reassurance no recording was being made.
B wrote “I am referring to a meeting conducted and facilitated by LE, and Kaine was not at the school that day, is the Father of a missing child, and a material witness….
B- I believe this is what you are actually saying here, after reading forever, I’m curious. This meeting has never really happened yet, has it?
There was the meeting (PR show) at the school a day or a week before school started, Kaine spoke to the press in the parking lot about how safe the school is now. The caps below are what I believe you meant (simply because I haven’t figured out a better way to quote it) -
—“I am referring to a meeting _TO BE_ conducted and facilitated by LE, and Kaine _WOULD_ not _BE_ at the school that day, _AS_ the Father of a missing…… ———————
If so, If that’s actually what you are saying, then, yes, it would be about time for a community pow-wow. It almost seems like the folks have been scared into submission. Like the price they ‘pay to play’? The step mommy’s silence is nothing compared to these hundreds of people who are beyond silent on a subject they Must FEEL Something about!?
If they were all given the OK to talk, all in the same room, an “Everybody’s Doing It” kind of atmosphere, maybe some things would come out. Really, so far as been published, everyone has told them not to talk. The LE, K, even the school at least made that ‘vibe’ obvious. The school shouldn’t be the meeting place. Neither should that Building across the street. I do hope these folks get together and are made to feel like it’s ok to talk about who or what they saw before, during, and after that day.
jan says:
December 29, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Blink,
Back to 6/4 SF photos:
Other Mystery Man at SF with plaid shirt, bigger guy with girl, was he ever identified or on list?
As we don’t get definitive name or answer on corner Mystery Man, whether his name on list, maybe he’s possibly same one seen with Ky? Could he know someone who knows tweeting mayor; what in the world tipped Mayor off to tweet?
Magnify SF photo corner
guy: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#
@jan- I admit the photo quality is crap, but IMO SF guy kind of looks like this guy, third one down:
http://www.life360.com/sex-offenders-forest-grove-or
For those who think TH should have visitation – Taking off on Riverpearl’s comments -
Whether it is fair or not, or whether people like it or not, the way the system works, with or without Child Welfare invovlment, if one parent suspects something of the other, they can ask the court for the parent to get a psych eval, an alcohol and drug assessment, an anger management assessment, a DV assessment, a gambling assessment,maybe even a sex offender assessment. They may have to attend parenting classes too. The court doesn’t mind doing this because the child’s safety is important. Cooperation is the key, if parent doesn’t cooperate, then your “rights” are going to be curtailed. You are supposed to follow the recommendations of the assessment and so parents can’t usually have their visitation, supervised or not, until suspected parent has followed some of these recommendations and the professionals have given it the go-ahead, i.e. a certain amount of progress is made toward treatment of these problems.
So lack of willingness/cooperation is going to put the kabash on visitation. So yes, many parents are not seeing their kids until they make the progress in the specific treatment(s). Recently I saw that for the DV treatment person I deal with, they need 3 months of good treatment, then they get a visit, I believe this is the policy at least from this provider. THis is all very standard in the State of Oregon, perhaps different in other states.
Perhaps TH does not want to stick her nose into these assessments.
30.neighbor says:
December 30, 2010 at 2:16 am
@Jan said “What is in his field of vision from that classroom vantage point, a side door or exit? Was there for example a “cool electric” SF project directly in front of him?”
Thanks for bringing this back to our attention. The picture was taken from the door towards the far corner of the classroom. I remember Ky’s project, but not much about the rest of the classroom. You can see more details of that far corner in the next FB picture. In that picture I see a bunch of old computer monitors. I do not know anybody that identified this mystery man.
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@neighbor – Thank you for saying that. Also, I hope you and others in the Skyline community will be able to put together a meeting. I truly feel it would be helpful, I want so desperately to find out what happened to Kyron and protect other children from this SZ.
So Who the Hell is this man? I’ve put forth a photo comparison at #39 for review.
pdxgirl says:
December 29, 2010 at 11:53 pm
@Jeff D says:
December 29, 2010 at 10:41 pm
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Jeff D: excellent question! I had assumed Terri’s, but the article was ambiguous about whose records would be subpoenaed. Specifically:
“In response to [Terri's motion for visitation], counsel for Petitioner informed me that she intended to engage in extensive discovery, including ‘multiple depositions’ and subpoenas for medical records, followed by a four-day trial, all to support her client’s position that no parenting time at all is appropriate.”
http://www.kval.com/news/local/112506339.html
I recall similar language about medical records in earlier articles when Terri first withdrew the request.
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Cbickel says:
December 30, 2010 at 6:23 am
@Jeff D and pdxgirl: here’s the thing about the records…that’s about the divorce and not about finding Kyron. If he wants to subpoena medical records why not just do it? Why put that out for the public to know?
I think we all know that if they need to subpoena for medical records, then those records would NOT be his own children’s and would be TH’s.
I don’t know, I just am not impressed with the way the divorce is becoming more public than the possibility of a SZ with a description. I think I’ve heard all I want to hear about KH,TH,DY,TY,DDS,MC,RS,
AS-S,the list goes on and on does it not?
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates
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Indeed fellow Kentuckian….My spidey sense was raised for several reasons:
It’s been reported here I believe that any discovery in the divorce may be used in any criminal proceeding.
IMO LE already knows what’s in those medical records….meds…depression…roids….etc…..HOWEVER…what if there is a pregnancy KH was unaware of…one that she terminated?…One that was not Kaine’s doing?…Could ties into any conspiracy with actual perp…
LE may also be interested in the med records of the children some of the same reasons…
Just the wonderings of an interested observer…
I know this may be old news, but it just substantiates what blink had already clued the rest of us in on.
To add to that information, we have on display the likenesses of the shirt, pants, socks and shoes Kyron was wearing on the day of his disappearance. The pants displayed here are of the same style Kyron was wearing, but those he was last seen in were darker. Otherwise these clothes represent identifying items in this search. We show these items to create additional awareness for the public – seeing any of these items individually (a sock, a shirt or shoe) could be the tip that we need to locate Kyron
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Read the first sentence very carefully.
Likeness of everything except for the glasses.
IMO they are in fact his real glasses, as Blink has made
mention to before.
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm#tape
Link for above.
Prayers and love today and always for little Kyron.
@riverpearl
December 30, 2010 at 12:30 am
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Thanks so much for your detailed account of the presser back in July. I’m from Portland also but missed seeing that one.
I had initially read the account from SM and thought it was interesting, along with stating it could be possible. However, because of the details provided by you and Blink, I have a much better understanding of what happened.
And I am very glad the sting was not rushed because of the O and WW.
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@riverpearl says:
December 30, 2010 at 12:42 am
TMH is REFUSING to do ANYTHING to SEE her own daughter.
TMH has stated via her attorneys SHE VAULES HER FREEDOM over ANY VISITATION etc w/ her daughter.
TMH has made her daughter a “pawn” by NOT VERBALLY SPEAKING IN HER OWN DEFENSE.
By TMH’s own attorney, Jt/e/M IS LIVING w/ her (in Roseburg).
When TMH was served w/ RO & divorce papers, there were VERY specify directions a person needs to do w/ the court to OBJECT to the RO. TMH did NOTHING but get a CRIMINAL attorney.
TMH IS NOT a VICTIM nor is THIS just HAPPENING to her — she is LETTING it HAPPEN for HER FREEDOM.
TMH not seeing daughter has ZERO to do w/ DY’s beliefs etc.
JMHO
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100% agreement.
Midwest Mom says:
LE either needs to clear her or arrest her but her children do not need to be a pawn until they decide.
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I agree!! What if she’s not charged in six months or ever?
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Cbickel says:
I know I sound like a broken record here, but I’m gonna say it again. “We” have no idea if TH has or has not talked to LE via her attorney, for all we know she could be singin’ like a bird in order to strike a deal…we will not know that until the time comes for somebody to be arrested.
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Again, I agree!! We don’t know chit and that’s a fact.
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cd says:
I don’t know about Lea but for me it go to Kaines ability to have one standard for himself and another one for everyone else.
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Ditto … once again, I agree!! If inconsistencies in the story is the standard, then Kaine’s version of events is questionable also.
Cbickel says:
December 30, 2010 at 6:23 am
I don’t know, I just am not impressed with the way the divorce is becoming more public than the possibility of a SZ with a description. I think I’ve heard all I want to hear about KH,TH,DY,TY,DDS,MC,RS,
AS-S,the list goes on and on does it not?
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TY … this is my frustration also. These people need to get off the stage. They a distraction to finding out what happend to Kyron.
@Cbickel says:
December 30, 2010 at 6:23 am
@Jeff D and pdxgirl: here’s the thing about the records…that’s about the divorce and not about finding Kyron. If he wants to subpoena medical records why not just do it? Why put that out for the public to know?
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CBickel, respectfully, I must disagree. For better or for worse, the divorce and the criminal investigation are interconnected. There definitely may be some reason why Terri’s or someone else’s medical records would reveal something that somehow connected to Kyron’s disappearance or some other criminal activity. (She is saying she will need to plead the 5th, remember?) I believe the reference to “medical records” is a specific but veiled threat from Rackner, and Terri knows exactly what she is referring to. There is something in those records that she doesn’t want out there, and I believe it will have criminal implications–either to Kyron or some other criminal activities.
I am completely with you about LE releasing info about SZ, assuming there is one. When Blink suddenly started writing about SZ and the “profile,” my first thought was, “Why the heck aren’t the cops talking to the public about this?” It makes me sick to my stomach to think they might have information about this person that they wouldn’t share with the public so that people can be on the lookout for suspicious behavior. I know Blink thinks they have good reasons for it, and I hope she’s right. I can’t help but wonder if it is a face-saving gesture after the confident “isolated incident” proclamations early on in the investigation.
OT – Jonathan Foster identified and woman arrested, is not mother or step-father but an “acquaintence”…. what the hell man?
You know, with a house full of kids with new gadgets and family running around, I checked on that case status a minute ago. I am a very empathetic person, this poor boy has me sobbing.
Do not expect me to feel this child’s mother is beyond a level of blame here, she is a trainwreck and put this child in harm’s way and I want to know how he ends up with a narc addict and burned in a ditch.
God Bless this child, who we can safely say is now in a better place.
B
good wrap up of the investigation so far and where it could go …
http://trueattrue.blogspot.com/2010_12_01_archive.html