On Quitting Casey: The New C Word Is the New Quality Control
Orlando, FL- I thought my chapped skin was over.
Read, shower, repeat.
Write, ignore call from editor, shower, repeat.
The OCD I developed during the case of the murder of Caylee Anthony by her TotMom, The C word, continues.
Anger over the death of an innocent child is understandable, fierce loathing when the accused is her Mother, is justified.
What is not, is the minutes of our day one devotes to the C word.
Angst is power, nobody will argue that. What is decidedly MOST powerful, is quitting Casey.
Images of fake checks with non-existant banks and non-existant companies are hitting the web to act as a barometer of the public’s interest and acceptance.
The porn industry rescinded an offer to C word, if that does not say it all, I don’t know what does. Let’s say they tend to be a less judgemental crowd on occasion.
I am calling you out. I am calling me out.
Quit caring. Quit Casey = Cashless Cow
If you want to be a color form in this girls chloroform play set, I cannot stop you.
What I can tell you, is that these payday wannabees have been Trumped.
Literally.
Between The Donalds’ hair being real and him getting a look up President Obama’s unmentionables bearing a birth certificate on a whim, who do these ilk think are going to give them “equal time”?
IT IS WORKING. REPEAT. IT IS WORKING. WE ARE WINNING.
Even Rupert Murdoch says “If a single person in my US offices so much as says that *%?#/’s name out loud it will make Rebekah Brooks stay in the big house look like a debutant cotillion, whatever that is.”
Here’s what happened:This is the most notorious and nationally covered case since The O word, and this felon and her counsel can’t get a legitimate network meeting.
Yep. The Moral leprosy crew are singing for supper. Industry insiders will tell you that the rumor mill has produced a steady call of public outrcy at the mere notion their firms would consider any deals with Cword or her defense team, and the existing artists threatening to walk if they do.
Simply put, it is tantamount to scheduling a tsunami in your lobby. Not even Don Draper could pull that off.
Ms. Folmer, reached from her latest promotion to washroom hand towel service had this to say:
Due to my journalistic integrity and because nobody told me we could not cancel a check after a verdict, I was wondering if I could fill a role in Jackass4 or Roller ball 10. I look forward to meeting the jury members, your among friends.
Late this morning, calls to THE BAEZ LAW FIRM for comment have not been returned.
A woman answering the phone at Jose Baez’s office who declined to be identified, told Blink, Editor In Chief of www.blinkoncrime.com:
Good Luck getting a call back, he has been sitting in his office for two days hitting the redial button to the News of The World Offices trying to get a live person on the phone. He is convinced he can swing a deal with somebody over there. Any Suggestions?
Sure, I answered, tell him to hit the O button, and just keep holding, they have a very busy switchboard.
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Mom3.0 says:
July 30, 2011 at 12:17 am
Why oh why cant a lawyer be held accountable for such actions?
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Hi, Mom, so good to see you back!
This is exactly the question! How can lawyers blatantly lie and suborn perjury without any consequences?
They knowingly put forth a false defense. How can they say the FCAword both knew Caylee was dead by accident AND someone kidnapped her. Lies, lies and more lies!
annetteaa1 says:
July 30, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Above I am told ( confused by whom, sorry )
“At the very LEAST this jury should have come back with a guilty verdict on the charge of Child neglect and abuse”……
It is my understanding that was not an option for the jury, please correct me if I am wrong. If I am correct this problem goes to the prosecution not making that charge available not to the jury… If that charge was available, I assume a guilty verdict on such a charge would have been rendered. I get the not guilty verdict given such an option of neglect was not available.
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Not the best source, but here is a review of possible charges she could have been convicted of- includes the neglect/abuse charges.
On July 5, 2011, the jury found Casey Anthony not guilty of murder, aggravated child abuse, and aggravated manslaughter of a child, but guilty of four misdemeanor counts of providing false information to a law enforcement officer. Anthony received consecutive sentences of one year in jail and a $1,000 fine for each count, the maximum punishment possible. With credit for time served and good behavior, she was released on July 17, 2011.[3][4][5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Caylee_Anthony
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Your welcome everybody who enjoyed the article, noted it on JA’s FB page.
Chelsea and Ragdoll- Thanks I hope you corrected all my typos Chelsea…LOL
annetteaa1 says:
July 30, 2011 at 10:12 pm
You can quote what I wrote, but you are confused by who said it? Alrighty then…
First let me say again- George and Cindy did nothing wrong in initially not reporting Caylee missing. Her mother told them she was with her, and that she was fine- her mother was her caregiver NOT them.
If they called police what would they have said? Our daughter took our granddaughter and she is traveling somewhere with her and wont let us talk to her or see her?
No crime had taken place.
However I do agree that they should have called LE on July 3rd when it became apparent that C-word was in town and she wasnt with Caylee- and I also agree that they should have called LE immediately when they found out the car had been towed and they saw the Carseat and momma doll and smelled the smell.
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As for the verdict it is what it is. I do think that the prosecution didnt hold the jurors hands while laying out all the evidence. They thought they would be capable of connecting the dots without actually laying out every single dot…Unfortunately this jury obviously needed the aid of demonstrative magnets with pics to complete the puzzle.
The prosecution did not spend enough time on painting the picture of who the real c-word was/is They did not paint the really picture of her mothering style- But their hands were tied- unfortunately the texts showing her call Caylee the little snot were not admissable, they should have called the computer guy that had the store- that told of c-word treating Caylee like dirt…that would probably have been inadmissable as well.
They should have fought to keep in the arrest video of C-word and her “whether you have a bucket full of evidence or not- I know in my gut she is still alive” andher whole conversation speaking lovingly about her WHOLE family-and explaining how they feel…
They should have called padillas team- and brought in “they havent even found her clothes yet” and “well Im not dead” and George throwing her against the wall- and demanding to know Caylees whereabouts….and her jealousy over Caylee and showing her baby pics instead of Caylees and all the rest.
It is not their fault though, so much was not allowed into trial- I guess it was deemed too prejudicial. The case they did present was enough- if only the jury had connected the dots.
Any one of the lesser charges of manslaughter covered neglect and abuse leading to death.
Juror # 2 and others believed C-word guilty of manslaughter but felt that the prosecution did not prove that she was Caylees caregiver at the time of the incident.
What? The defense never claimed C-word wasnt there at the time of the incident. Obviously The mother of the child IS the caregiver- even if you believe George was also present in the home, Caylee was her MOTHERS responsibility.
An accident should always be reported. C-word neglected Caylee-her texting ect proves that. She abused Caylee by NOT calling 911- Is she a doctor? Is George? Had C-word called authorities, Caylee may have been saved. Instead she allowed her “molesting” father to take Caylee away from her and never looked back-
The Prosecution was NOT required to show motive or time of death- nor provide a murder weapon-
The Judge explained this to the jury… As well as explaining that opening statements are not evidence- as well as explaining the charges, and the 20 pages of instructions- which seem to have been overlooked.
This was a circumstantial evidence case and required a jury to connect the dots.
This jury did not look at one piece of evidence during deliberations. This jury did not ask one question during the deliberations. They did not ask for clarification on anything, not even regarding 20 pages of jury instructions.
They say that the prosecution did not prove its case because they did not provide a motive or the murder weapon, or the time of death.
At the very least- disregarding the ducttape and the trunk ect- Her mothers wants and her neglect was the murder weapon- and the time of death- was June the 16th.
The motive was jealousy and covering up long held lies and La Bella Vita- and as she said in her own words- because she is a spiteful Bitch.
Think about this
C-word- was stealing from her mother. She had been doing this for months- go back and read Vals work documenting the amounts of money and the time periods of these forged checks ect. If you do, be sure to note that the mother of all liars- had finally had enough. She became aware of this stealing and she actively went about stopping the c-word from accessing her accounts ect. Then low and behold C-word found another way to get money she stole from her grandparents.
Be sure to take note of the FACT that the mother of all liars also began to put a strangle hold on c-words-outings/partying.
She was actively calling c-word home more and more, earlier and earlier. She was refusing to babysit- She found out that C-word had been lying to her about needing a babysitter inorder to work- The mother of all liars found the no clothes party pics- and she was having no part of C-word skirting her mothering duties NEGLECTING Caylee, so she could prance about all night at clubs ect.
Taking a look at what the jury Knew-or should have surmised IMO:
The mother of all liars was home on vacation proceeding the 16th of June. SHE took care of Caylee- C-word went blissfully about her partying life.
The mother of all liars was going to have a weeks vacation- a vacation that would have had her home – privy to all of c-words coming and goings-
C-word would not have been free to visit her loverboy Tony- she would not have been free to stay the night and she wouldnt have been able to let Caylee tag along. C-word had only a few short weeks to spend with Tony before he took off for NewYork- C-word knew if she was going to make a play for him, the time HAD to be now-
C-word is described by Tony and all of his friends as an excellent girlfriend- She cooked, she cleaned, she was ready and willing. Could C-word have been at his beck and call had little Caylee still been in the picture? Could C-word have been carefree to live la bella vita had her mother still been able to hold her mothering duties over her head?
Caylee was a noose tightening around C-words metime- and the rope was being held by her mother.
She willfully severed the ties and cut the rope. Freedom was hers for the taking and she grasped at it with both hands.
C-word was desperate to be rid of Caylee.. She had places to go and movies to see.
She was texting none stop on June 16th- she only refrained for an hour or so, only to again begin her joyful texting and planning for that nights event- the long awaited movie date with Tony.
Supposedly the accident took place during this time.
Baez couldnt even pinpoint a time period of this suppposed “accidental” series of unfortunate events- gee, c- word must of cried and cried between hitting send on each text…
C-word is unaccounted for during a couple of hours that morning.
Is it more reasonable to believe this is the timeperiod in which She cleaned up her mess- and placed lifeless little Caylee in the trunk or in the playhouse-later borrowing a shovel…and disposing of Caylee in a swamp down the road from her house…then abandoning the death mobile…. Free at last- evidence destroyed- off to live 31 days of La Bella Vita
or is it more reasonable to believe that this is the time period in which her father took Caylee from her arms- after yelling at her and berating her and then put her in C-words trunk…and then immediately went off to work, and then actively began to frame her…?
KIM he would have to later meet up with C-word and then take Caylees body from the trunk and throw her in the swamp..or better yet work with Kronk to do it…? Then after this berating and accident, after Caylee was torn from her arms she blissfully went about her 31 days of LA Bella Vita…
Is it more reasonable to believe that this same man invited police into the picture- over a couple of stolen gascans- is it more reasonable to believe that this same man while actively trying to frame his daughter, chose items that would instead implicate him as well?
Is it more reasonable to believe that this man then chose to out his crime by using the tape to put up the missing posters?
C-word is the one that actively hid the “truth”.
She claimed Caylee was alive. She claimed she spoke with her on July 17th She claimed she spoke of her shoes and her book.
George knew NOTHING of fathers day- George knew nothing about Caylees missing shoes.
George opened the trunk and despite the horrendous smell- he did not find a body- he tricked himself into denying the truth of his senses.
HE stuck his nose in the stain of his decomposing granddaughters remains!! He told the police the truth about the NEW stain in that trunk. He did not hide it- Nor did he hide the fact that he had done some bad things- gambling, lying ect. Nor was he untruthful in his assessment of C-words lying or thieving.
He said something changed in c-word and he was not able to understand why she began to act the way she did- his interviews early on were truthful and painful.
Did any one else in that family EVER take responsibility for their own lies and faults?
Who cleaned the trunk? Who took Tonys car to the carwash? Who bought loads of papertowels? Who put the dryer sheets in the car? AND in Tonys car? Who put a bag of trash in the trunk and left it there? Who UNDOUBTEDLY knew that little Caylee was dead and gone on June 16th? Who UNDOUBTEDLY lied about the whereabouts, well-being and welfare of Caylee?
C-word thats who- all the rest is subterfuge
It is the totality of the evidence that points to Caseys guilt- and this jury did not take the time to even look at one piece of it.
Questioning the verdict does not mean that I do not respect our system- I just think if we do not learn from mistakes we are doomed to repeat them-
How can we better prepare our jurys? How can we be sure they understand the law and the instructions?
I want to understand how 12 reasonable people- 3 of which initially thought she was guilty – and at least 2 thought she was guilty of manslaughter…how can then deliberate for such a short time only to return a verdict of not guilty of all counts except for lying…
Sorry for the length
AJMO
@ eloise – Have back tracked to your link at Law.com. What a brilliant read! Thanks for the link. In particular the tract reading ……The Florida Rules of Professional Conduct provide that “legal argument based on a knowing false representation constitutes dishonesty toward the tribunal.” The U.S. Supreme Court, in Nix v. Whiteside, held that the right to counsel includes no right to have a lawyer who will cooperate with planned perjury….. Whilst the good Professor deemed that Baez was using information given him by the C-word, he didn’t seek to verify any of her statements. I truly believe Baez & C-word (possibly Mason as well), hatched the Opening Statement between themselves. Nothing or No-one will ever make me think otherwise. The only good to come of this case will be Caylee’s Law and possibly a tightening of the responsiblity of Defense Attys. IRT client confidentiality.
Eloise, Thanking you for finding that information. Much appreciated.
Pale Rider- So good to see you too-
Sigh- I am with you I cant understand it, I really cant. I try to keep in mind that there is still a complaint before the bar.
Perhaps justice will still be served in some respect…
AJMO
@Mom30 …. First, tone can be off in this medium, so no ill tone is intended.
@ Sammy..I am no scroll and roller, but do find that term funny and do belive it was put out as an insult; part of having a strong opinion that is heard is having the ability to listen to the other side…))
Mom, I do feel that George and Cindy should have could have called the cops right away ( withing days) and said, my granddaughter lives here, she is only two and and hasn’t been home in a week, my daughter has an abusive record and and I am concerned I believe something may have happened. yes, yes yes, I do… the response from the police would in part be irrelevant as they would have been on the record as doing the right thing. they have done so many things wrong on so many levels , yes to me sorry they appear complicit. It looks like a duck, quacks like a duck so they are ducks to me.
Sadly, party girls leave kids alone – closed in closets- with boyfriends– and take them to sleep overs with men all the time. It is very dangerous, it IS neglect. The key to me, from my life view and experience, its making it easier and changing the system so family do can do something, before an incident happens and yes before foster or the police gets involved after something awful happens.
Kids can be saved when family steps in but yes, it is very hard to do. Caylee’s law is great but I believe prevention and making some type of law- process or new set of rules to ease the burden for those who see it and want to help is long over due, more now than ever.
but George and ciny did worse than not try… they lies for their daughter at a minimum and possibly got involved in covering things up..
If you would have prosecuted the case she would not be “not guilty” but you didn’t, and I believe that although the motive and means weren’t necessary, legally leaving them unanswered left doubt. I Really have a hard time second guessing a jury and more of a hard time faulting them.
Ya Know someone ought to have C word sue baez for calling her a lying slut!, who does that?, let alone someone’s own attorney?
Blink did you find out what Baez is being investigated for in the bar complaint yet?
Has anyone filed a challenge against him to prove that C word was molested by her father and please if so, he needs to be charged for the same things and Cword was as I do believe it is against the law and neglectful to lie to the police and not report a death, especially when it is at your house and your own grandaughter? are there going tobe charges filed against George so C word can have her chance of testifying against daddy now that she is free?
Oh I better just quit as this is all making me sick again.
sorry, God Bless You baby girl! RIP
Mom3.0
Another beautiful post. We can only guess what went on in the jury room. The twelve apparently did not listen to very much of the trial.
Some took notes, but because of the need for privacy and confidentiality, we the public will never know what was on the pages.
One of the problems is the court gave IMO way too much time to the seeming bumbling of the defense. This may have been a total act by Mr. Baez and Mr. Cheney.
The court has rendered its verdict. Was it just? I don’t think so and a great deal of the public agrees with my view. However, the consequences of this verdict will resonate across the spectrum of truth seeking and caring people. From that resonance has sprung the effort to enact new laws (Caylee’s law)and to look at other ways to improve out courts and criminal justice system.
We as a people need to see evidence of bad behavior in order to change the processes of our laws and general behavior to protect our children. Our little “sunshine girl” is no longer with us, but we who are left behind are taking steps to prevent similar events in the future.
We cannot save them all. There are bad actors everywhere, but we can save some and that is progress.
3.Mom3.0 says:
July 31, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Mom3.0….you did a wonderful job walking thru the timeline of c-words actions…If only in the closing arguments, the prosecution had done the same.
@ palerider
I LOVE ‘FCAword’. It can be translated to mean soooo many things.
This jury had a common thread that would eventually end in a ‘Not Guilty’ verdict. I am not privy to the individual personalities of each juror, however, I can say that the sequestration of these jurors made them a unique ‘entity’ in and of themselves.
*Perhaps the jury foreman was charismatic and the other jurors subconsciously let him be their leader. Hence, it was easy to sway the two who felt she was at least guilty of manslaughter.
*Perhaps the alpha male foreman was so persuasive that he did not want to entertain an opinion from an emotional female juror? Did he set the stage early on in the trial that it would go his way? Did he get backing from others too eager to go home?
*Perhaps none of the jurors took the trial seriously and really didn’t care about the verdict and its outcome. The jurors were forced to sit through the entire, mundane, trial, but they could control how long they would mull over the facts and evidence and decided that they would not spend another minute on C-word, even if it meant setting the murderous one free. They threw the State a ‘bone’ and found her guilty of 4 counts of lying to LE.
*Perhaps not one of these jurors ever in their life had to be humbled due to a violent act against them or any of their loved ones. Their lives are probably just normal in most ways, and none of them were ever victimized in a catastrophic way. If they had that experience, then they could not have voted to let C-word walk.
*Perhaps none of the jurors respect LE or the judicial system. They related more to C-word and felt she already served enough time. They made a unanimous decision that set her free.
*Perhaps they all lacked the maturity to put their heads together and walk through the mountains of evidence. They lacked the focus to have serious discussions about what was presented. They lacked foresight to follow the judge’s instructions.
*Perhaps there was jury tampering. (Probably not, as I’ve not read of any evidence of this.)
*Perhaps it is all of the above.
Whatever the common thread, it played a dynamic role and set the same mind-set of these 12 jurors to come to the same decision/conclusion in such a short amount of time and let C-word return to society.
This jury was a defense attorney’s dream. They were putty in the defense’s hands from day one. They showed little or no facial expression and seemed very cohesive as a team. It was as if they were just waiting for both sides to rest, they already knew how they would vote, and there was little or no discussion about it.
I believe the truth will come out about this jury and I believe the truth will come out one day as to how Caylee Marie Anthony died. It won’t be for a long time, but someone will break. That will be our only satisfaction. The truth about everything to do with this case will present itself over time. JMO
Obviously I believe the State presented its case without question. That is why I based my opinions above at 6:55 pm. Sue
@ In Memory of Gini says:
July 31, 2011 at 4:54 pm
I personally feel the prosecution did a great job. Hindsight is 20/20. We can all pull apart their work and declare pieces were overlooked or missed. Essentially, they did not go into that court unprepared. This was God’s call. Written in the stars, if you will, for reasons we may or may not ever know. I can’t explain it, but it turned out the way it was supposed to. Certainly not because the defense outwitted, outsmarted and outplayed the state. I still don’t buy the ‘justice system works’ angle, in this particular case. It simply defies reason.
I don’t see how they could have done any better. IMHO, they did GREAT by Caylee and the system.
@ NancyS says:
July 31, 2011 at 4:25 pm
I have to giggle….he did get one thing right by that statement.
Baez….he threw down the histrionics like he was auditioning for a CSI role. Maybe that’s what the jury expected. Embellished emotions. I’m sure Baez is proudly shinin up his Raspberry Award.
Friendly- not sure of the issue, but that is not accurate. No attempts here at all.
B
Hollywood’s view via tweets on the Cword verdict. Yep. ‘It’s’ famous all right, but so is Charles Manson, Aileen Wuornos and Diane Downs.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/casey-anthony-trial-hollywood-reacts-208013
Life will not be pretty for Caylee’s murderer. She’s not wanted or like by anyone, anywhere. Sweet.
Ragdoll says:
July 31, 2011 at 6:05 pm
@ palerider
I LOVE ‘FCAword’. It can be translated to mean soooo many things.
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Thx, RG! A true compliment indeed coming from you!
Sue
to add to your post: don’t forget that one of the jurors said that they really liked the fact that Baez said “good morning” to them every day. That apparently carried a significant amount of weight, enough to be mentioned. !.
@ Sue says:
July 31, 2011 at 6:55 pm
Agreed! Great post btw.
Did you read the article Eloise posted on her comment (with link)? This is the most honest and well written assessment of the trial to date, imo. Great read, friend!
@ pale rider
Hey ho hay, no, whoa! That is a sweet compliment but I’m no saint. You are a valuable advocate at BOC. I’m always moved by the compassion and intensity of the posts. Just a bunch of great people I admire deeply. You rock our BOC world, PR. It’s a pleasure to know you.
It seems my insomnia is acting up. Back to playing angry bird
@ B……if a comment is posted but does not go into moderation, is it simply a glitch? Hopefull I can offer assistance. XO
@ Sue snipped: *Perhaps there was jury tampering. (Probably not, as I’ve not read of any evidence of this.)
A very thoughtful post and I believe you are probably right, the Foreman was alpha/charismatic (didn’t the media report he looked like Johnny Depp!) but I still bang on about the fact HE WAS ALLOWED TO SPEND HOURS ON THE INTERNET EVERY NIGHT DURING SEQUESTRATION, STUDYING FOR HIS MASTERS!! How easy would it have been for him to contact or be contacted? The verdict defies understanding and a knobbled jury is just another possibility in my opinion.
Time: June 16th, 2008. The last time Caylee was seen. She was in the presence of her “mother”.
Means: Child’s skull found w/ duct tape covering the breathing orifices. If a person has duct tape covering their nose and mouth…simply put they cannot breathe…hence, death.
Motive: her mother was not sad/depressed/angry @ her daughter’s death. She was out partying, elated! She lied/concealed the truth about her daughter’s whereabouts. Therefore, the motive is just that, the “mother” wanted a life free of the burden of a child.
How simple is that? I just do not understand the confusion. And, then add all of the other evidence. Should have been a simple case. The jurors did not deliberate, they did not ask questions, they wanted to go home. They were unable to process information, use deductive reasoning skills nor use critical thinking skills. Nothing will ever change my opinion. Shame on them. Shame on ALL of them.
Overall, I’ve noticed the CA hype is dying down a little. I can’t wait who will stir the pot to bring it back in the headlines. My guess is it will come from the ones trying to profit off of her her, oops I mean trying to protect her. Time will tell…
@ PamVA
RE: stirring the pot and bringing it back in the headlines:
It’s already started. I saw a news blurb contained on a page listing of top news stories (I did not search for this nor did I click on anything specifically relating to the C-word) that appears to be an attempt to do just that. It talked about C-word not submitting for any interviews yet because “she needs to seek help for her mental illness.” BUT, get this — the mental illness is not the OBVIOUS sociopathic pathological narcissism. No. It’s supposedly for three reasons:
1) obviously she was so traumatized by the supposed abuse from her father that she didn’t report the “incident” and lied about it for so long
2) the trauma she suffered because her child is gone
3) the horror of being locked in solitary confinement for three years has messed her up
# 3 is the kicker!! Give me a break! They are trying to turn C-word into a sympathetic figure. They are hoping when all of the protesters lose steam and interest, that C-word can rehabilitate her image – at least to the ability of garnering higher payment for said interview. Makes me ill.
Casey Anthony Ordered Back To Orange County
http://www.wesh.com
Karma.
I started reading Blinkoncrime shortly after Kyron Horman’s disappearance. It seemed then to be a place where people shared ideas, possible tips, information, with the intent of resolving a sad mystery.
As articles about Casey were posted on this same blog, I began to read, watch depositions, review documents and and yes,form my own views. But as I post them this seems to be a place to post for those who decided she is guilty to post hate, and other input not welcome. that is unfortunate but, a seeming reality. It has lost a justice for caylee and other young children by the hateful postings on this one topic , as you’ll say, IMO. That is unfortunate; I will again say the jury bashing is ugly even if the posters here tell each other it is ok, it really demeans the entire site, as does the hate about who you call the C word.
But as i don’t have a taste for being bashed every-time I post an idea, I wont post again, it is like sticking my finger on a hot stove.
Think about the hate.. it isn’t helping or saving the next kid.
I have been following the Celina case. Body found in CT river.
I’m sorry if this has already been posted, but I saw this on a friend’s page and it was an excellent thorough article written by a lawyer/legal professor on the case and how the jury failed with Reasonable Doubt.
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202508318214&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1
If this is new I would definitely check it out…
Ragdoll says:
July 31, 2011 at 6:05 pm
@ palerider
I LOVE ‘FCAword’. It can be translated to mean soooo many things.
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I assume that FCA does not mean “Fellowship of Christian Athletes”.
If so, that organization is very different than advertised
OT: DAMN!!!
Female body found at dam near missing girl’s home
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/6823615-418/female-body-found-at-dam-near-missing-girls-home.html
My dearest Ragdoll, Chica is more than welcome to post here.
B
I at least got some satisfaction knowing that “Cword” had to appear in
court this morning…she may have to have that probation afterall. Oh, she deserves soooo much more than that. I wonder if she felt just a little “pinch”.
I just love love love that NOBODY but Larry Flint wants to touch C-Word! Even after Baez and co. went on the air about a bidding war she’s supposedly decided she needs therapy and will not be available for an interview! Ha ha ha. Fat chance. If any of the nets had a check dangling she would be lying like rug.
@ ragdoll – <3 <3 <3 u!
NancyS- I agree, well spoken.
Sue- Nicely done- thanks for sharing your thoughts. Many factors went into this verdict I do believe. Sadly, I do think most of them had to do with convenience and making the easiest decision.
The way I look at it- which BTW is based on what the jurors who have spoken said… is they would rather let her walk- hoping she was innocent or at the very least only an inactive participant- -its not like she was a serial killer, so what would be the harm in letting her off? that would be a better option- than possibly make her pay for a crime she didnt commit alone, all by herself, or one in which others in her family worked to cover-up ect.
THAT was not their duty by law. Their duty was not to decide others guilt or the degree of others guilt- it was to decide c-words guilt.
The fact of the matter is the verdict was supposed to be decided based upon evidence & REASONABLE doubt.
Not BS and not despite an inkling of doubt- No one could be proven guilty in a court of law, by this standard- unless their were solid eyewitnesses or a video tape. Not to be found not guilty by a forced doubt- or a imagined doubt, but a REASONABLE doubt.
Solange questioned shortly after the verdict- does this mean that these 12 jurors, would have behaved in the same way, if innocent, had they been C-word? They find her actions/behaviors reasonable?
As Solange said: Thats scary.
In Memory Of Ginni, thank you. I understand your point and in retrospect, I agree- to a certain degree.
I really felt that the prosecutions case, & closing arguments were solid they covered a great deal- but the truth is they did not tell the whole story, they focused on the essentials, the evidence, which to a reasonable jury, should have been enough- they did not lay it all out easy peasy…
as LDB said she wasnt going to talk down to them, she wasnt going to bombard them with visuals- she was relying on their common sense.
Unfortunately, these jurors left theirs at home. JMO
As I stated, I really felt that the prosecutions case, & closing arguments were solid they covered a great deal- but the truth is they did not present everything, and they didnt tell the whole story….
How many of us, during the trial, were waiting for a certain truth or incident, witness ect, to be brought forward, and discussed, only to get to the end of the trial and think why wasnt that brought up?
Some of it has do with time, ect and still others due to circumstances out of the prosecutions control- like the MySpace page and the Tony texts, others left out, do to prejudice, inadmissible ect- but some witnesses and info, just were not brought up-
Ragdoll, you know I love you and I agree we should not disrespect anyone, not the jury, certainly not the Judge ect, not the prosecution and their hardwork- but the truth is Ragdoll, that if we do not discuss how things went wrong, including any shortcomings of anyone, even the prosecution, then again we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes, JMO no disrespect intended toward anyone..
I think the jury should be privy to all the information, how can they make the best decisions of guilt or innocence without all the information?
I think it is a travesty that the Defense got away with so much.
I think our system has many flaws and if we do not discuss them now, then when?
I believe that sequestering the jury, any jury is not beneficial. That, I agree with others, promotes group think, and promotes jurors fearing being the odd one out, or pizzing off a friend if they dont agree ect…
I think in trying to make the jury as comfortable as possible, HJPerry, went too far, and instead of the jury seeing their service as a duty and a job,and WORK, they saw the whole experience as a vacation, and it all became about their comfort….
How can anyone expect a bunch of people who have essentially been pampered and coddled for weeks, to step up and want to do the hardest of jobs- perhaps for hours, days, weeks …- especially a group of people that consist of more than one person that said they didnt want to be there to begin with, that said they have better things to do, cruises, ball games ect, and one of which said it is not her place to judge?
IMO you cant. You can expect them to stay true to form. Wanting to get out of there as soon as possible ect. JMO
I agree with TGF- the court went over and beyond in its attempts to help the Defense muddle through. I think this whole act of being inexperienced and asking leading questions ect- played into the jurors decision- I do not think they disregarded any of this illgotten info ect- and who can blame them, they are human- who can unhear what has already been heard?
I think much like in the O- trial the prosecution relied on the scientific evidence- they believed that the evidence made up for any lack of background information or “story” -they rightfully believed that the scientific evidence proved that little Caylee died at the hands of her mother, and that the scientific evidence proved how and when and why- or that it at least pointed REASONABLY to only one culprit.
They thought 12 reasonable people would use their common sense and would be able to connect the dots: the guilty culprit thought she got away with it -hiding for 31 days, and that she hid the body for so long which is the ONLY reason there was not more evidence of cause and time of death- and that REASONABLY, a jury could only come to the conclusion of guilt, based upon the totality of the evidence- the actions & aftermath of the death- the disposal, Like TRASH, not like a beloved family pet, the joy and indifference after the killing, and the ever changing lies and cover-up after the the deed was done.
They were wrong, the jury disregarded all the evidence and went with the defense.
The truth is that the jury was looking for someone to blame- and the defense gave them more than one, and they bought it hook line and sinker- they blamed anyone but C-word- they blamed George.
This jury – wanted a story.
The beginning middle and end…. And however implausible, the Defense gave them just that-a story…. and the jury ran with that story, they chose to make the evidence fit the story-
It wasnt the smell of a decomposing body- it was trash- it wasnt a murder, it was an accident- the villain was not C-word it was the dastardly dad- the victim wasnt Caylee it was C-word- the cover-up was not C-words doing, it was George & everyoneelse- the ducttape was not a sickening weapon, but a safety measure, a loving gesture- a responsible loving gesture- the disposal was not deplorable, it was a fall back, to a childhood learned burial ritual despite it being for pets- the behavior was not proof of consciousness of guilt, it was ugly-coping – brought on by years of abuse. The liar was not c-word it was George- the excuses were not lies & desperate attempts to cover-up a murder, they were imaginary friends, and again ugly-coping.
How can we make sure that our system works to balance the scales of justice- how can we make sure that verdicts are based on the evidence not on a clients/ or their attorneys looks ect or on lies or BS or on unfounded theories/ patsies ect or on the wish for the jury to go home sooner?
IDK
But there has to be a better way. Perhaps it again boils down to providing the same defense for everyone- not based on money or privilege or celebrity or media interest ect-
AJMO at least today- may change later
Request from Mr. Ashton per his FB page:
QUOTE:
The Official Jeffrey Ashton Page
I understand that someone is suggesting that people call her probation officer. PLEASE DO NOT IT WILL DO NOTHING BUT OVER WORK AN ALREADY UNDER PAID GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE.
UNQUOTE
Lol. Hey Keasey looks like I was right again.
@ GeorgiaDad says:
August 1, 2011 at 1:38 pm
LOLOLOLOL!!!! Well, not in my book. FCA can dream
@ Mom….
Confused on your comment. I believe we’re on the same page with that opinion. In fact, from a much earlier post, I stated that jury blew it….for reasons we may never understand. The more they (3 jurors) spoke, the more I was convinced they did not due the civil duty as expected. They did not request to examine evidence. They wanted proof on how Caylee was murdered and motive despite the fact it was not part of burden of proof. Wow! IMO, it was a hasty, rushed verdict. I’ve always been clear about that. My question will always be WHY? Why did they choose to fail the system? Epic fail imo, and it comes down to this for me….how do we say justice has been served when there’s still a dead little girl who’s murder goes unavenged….COMPLETELY!!!!!!!! Not even aggravated child abuse or neglect? The jury is culpable.
Mom, I’m sure you don’t mean to be, but your comment comes across as condescending, to me. I don’t mind being called out when I’m wrong or ignorant on specifics. Happens to me all the time. How else am I going to learn or grow from this experience? Everything you’ve said, I’ve stated while you were away. If you had the oppty to read posts while you were away, you’d see my comments were congruent with your opinions.
My intent is only to identify how this makes me feel. I hope you understand.
@ Eloise says:
August 1, 2011 at 12:16 pm
I just read about this
Her dad spoke to her, saying he just got out of the hospital, he’s ok and he wants her to come home.
It’s just not fair.
I’d be hesitant to donate to MCSO ‘s search/rescue fund.
Just me … but they’re excuses seem lame to me.
I know that emergency SAR for missing hikers/campers/etc must be immediate – but geez, Kyron’s still waiting.
Back months and months ago, MCSO was all geeked about some tip or info they had for these very specific area’s to be searched, then they just stop with 3-4 area’s not searched???
And never another word about when they might go back??
Why doesn’t the local Media ask these questions?? (thanks to MBS for emailing and getting some reply)- where’s the media???
It’s common sense to think MCSO would have either followed up by making announcement that either they were still going to search these unfinished area’s – or they had leads that took them elsewhere and these un-searched area’s no longer held the importance they thought.
Something!!
Do any locals know people that might be associated with this SAR group?
“Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue”
http://www.pnwsar.org/
This group supplied the boots on the ground SAR people at every Kyron search that MCSO organized.
(check link on their webpage under “news/events” and “searches” tab – PNW SAR has notes from each Kyron search they participated in).
I would happily donate to PNW-SAR – if I thought they could do Kyron searches without permission from MCSO.
I don’t know the politics of it – but I imagine PNW-SAR needs to wait for orders from LE to conduct a new search.
I bet when/if MCSO ever gets back to searching again – this group will be the one to provide the SAR experts and manpower though.
MOOOOOOO
BLINK …
my goof!!
please delete my post just now …. August 1, 2011 @ 6:01pm
It was supposed to go on Kyron’s thread – not here at Caylee’s.
Ooops.
Thanks.
chelsea says:
August 1, 2011 at 5:11 am -
hello- masters in what? No dont tell me-
Perhaps it is as simple as: if you are one of the beautiful people you can do no wrong… Sirens and all that you know?
C-word couldnt have possibly have done that horrible ugly crime… and not to such a beautiful baby like Caylee- therefore IT HAD TO BE AN ACCIDENT…and if people thought he looked like Johnny Depp- then, my gosh who wouldnt forget their common sense to follow the likes of Johnnny Depp ….
Angela_nw -
I was truly saddened to hear things like this went a long way…
But you know my grandma used to say manners and likability will take you a long way- I guess Liam was right or maybe it was Ross-
the jury liked Baez, so they bought what he was selling…and perhaps they didnt find Jeff and LDB as likable…personally I cant see how anyone wouldnt find Mr. George likable…LOL- and personally I thought Baez was a snake oil salesman…but as history teaches us over and over- some people will buy anything from a personable salesman…even to their own determent.
Cherlyz- deductive reasoning skills- yep- I agree. Should be a prerequisite for any juror.
annetteaa1,
hello- I appreciate you letting me know your intent- never doubted it- and I appreciate your insights and opinions- In truth as I said before, I agree with much of what you said.
I too feel that we need to revamp our laws to deal with situations such as what we have been discussing, i also believe families with c-words need to step in-
-What abusive record would they have sighted to LE in the call?
Perhaps, Whenever C& G came home to find a bruise on Caylee, or a scratch, or bedbugs or fleas ect, they should have documented it and called LE- whenever Caylee was left to cry or left to sit in a soiled diaper ect they should have documented it. Whenever C-word came home drunk or stayed out for hours away from Caylee they should have documented it..each time Caylee returned to the home unkempt, unfed- hungry, in the same clothes -they should have documented it.
But they didnt.
BY law
It is not a crime for a mother to take a child from her home and stay gone- It is not a crime for a mother to refuse to tell the whereabouts of her child to her estranged family. It is not a crime for any mother to bring a child to an adult get together. It is not a crime for a mother to openly date any # of men or women -nor is it a crime to allow that child to visit these abodes.
They had NO way of telling LE even where to begin looking for c-word.
Besides there were no grounds to search for c-word- She was not missing- her mother and her father and her brother and her sisterinlaw were in contact with her-
They simply could not force her to return “home” they simply could not track her down or force her to let them see Caylee.
LE would have told them as much- at best, perhaps LE would have said- next time you see c-word give us a call- we will be a mediator….
Besides C& G had no clue where C-word was staying they knew nothing of Ricardos or Tonys or Amy ect.
Now where I agree with you, is that C& G & Lee and Ryan Paisley and Grandma ect could have pressed charges against her for theft ect Just like Amy did. They should have held her accountable.
annetteaa1, respectfully I think you are falling in the same trap the jurors did. This case, was not to decide the complicity or degree of bad parenting or guilt of the Anthonys.
This case was not about wanting to punish the Anthonys for their lack of holding C-word accountable- or their failure to stand up for Caylee and or their unwavering support of C-word
Blink said it best when she stated that her worry was that this jury and the public would let their hate of the Anthonys cloud getting justice for Caylee.
No one is saying the Anthonys are not guilty of bad parenting choices or of lying and manipulation and shading the truth- no one is saying that George is a likable guy or that any of them are- but for petes sake-
This should never been about the Anthonys and their actions after the fact- or what they could have done to prevent it- or what they should have done to stand by Caylee-inorder to seek justice- and the truth-
They werent on trial- Caylees mother and caregiver was- and all evidence points to her guilt- JMO
Everything else is just coulda shoulda woulda- IRT to The Anthonys
annetteaa1, you wrote in part:
If you would have prosecuted the case she would not be “not guilty” but you didn’t, and I believe that although the motive and means weren’t necessary, legally leaving them unanswered left doubt. I Really have a hard time second guessing a jury and more of a hard time faulting them
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Well thanks for your confidence in me as a prosecutor, LOL- I think you meant me as a juror, but at any rate-
You wrote of party girls leaving their children locked in closets- true, and they also leave their children in locked cars and trunks as a babysitter…- is it a bigger leap to surmise this is what befell Caylee and led to her death, or is it a bigger leap to surmise that it was an accidental drowning coverup by molesting father/ framing to come later by same father/ later conspiracy with meterreader?
The evidence seems to back up the first NOT the latter- if the jury didnt want to or couldnt connect the dots to murder by ducttape or by chloroform or by accidental beating death/suffocation- By god, there was enough evidence to reasonably “leap” to connecting the dots to accidental death brought on by locking her in the trunk= not wanting death but freedom -which sadly resulted in death which would= manslaughter
- I disagree that “legally” leaving means and motive out, led to REASONABLE doubt.
I understand that you have a hard time second guessing a jury and more of a hard time faulting them…
However I do think it is necessary to learn from mistakes- a jury is not infallible- a Judge is not either- if we did not as a country rethink the Salem witch trials where would we be now?
Just food for thought.
AJMO
Peace
It has begun. Ppl are relating the C story to giving others the idea they can kill their child and get away with it. Ho hum, shocker isn’t it?
JMO…..she doesn’t want to do an interview where she most likely would have to take a lie detector test because well….we all know that answer but she doesn’t mind at all & neither does Bozo, taking her clothes off if it means $$$$$
Mom3.0
There should be some important take-aways from this case for those in our court systems.
Prosecutors and judges are going to have to take steps to come to the understanding that the majority of those who make up the jury pools are NOT interested in serving even when they are chosen.
Every juror must be treated as if they are young people with zero ability to add two and two and put together a puzzle of presented evidence. Some can and they will resent this, but others need it.
Every time a defense attorney attempts to be as ignorant as Mr. Baez and crew pretended to be, the court is going to have to sanction them. Only then will that type of behavor cease.
There should be every attempt to seat a jury from the local community. Failing that, a change of venue should take place. No murder or death penality jury should ever be sequestered. That creates an opportunity to become a tribe and leads to the “Stockholm Syndrome”. This jury joined together as you stated to blame George. George became the enemy, not the real guilty one and the one on trial.
5. The court is going to have to use something like what the professor presented to his legal class when charging the jury. No longer can the court assume that these people really understand what they are to do. A half day of going through the charges one by one by the judge until he or she has some confidence that a jury understands, including the understanding of real evidence, before sending them to deliberate.
Making the jurors understand that an opening statement could be just so much wishful story telling and unless a prosecution or defense team can prove it with evidence, then they need to ignore every bit of it.
Ragdoll-I Never meant to be condescending to you or anyone for that matter,in ANY way- and it was never my intent to call you (or anyone) out- nor I was it my intent to make you feel as though you needed to defend your feelings or your right to them. (or anyone)
I simply wanted to make sure everyone knew that my agreement with IMOG post- IRT the case the prosecution presented, and any critique thereof was not meant to be disrespectful to their hardwork- They did a great job. And had it been a different jury I believe a different verdict would have been handed down.
As you so rightly wrote we are in agreement on so many issues, and I agree with your assessment that this verdict in some way is Gods will.
But having said that I wanted to be sure to state my feelings that all aspects of this case need to be looked at- we can always do better, and make adjustments when needed, even the amazing LDB, Jeff Ashton, Mr. George & Judge Perry..
Ragdoll, since I have been gone I have read here on BOC- even past posts- in fact BOC is the only place I do read anything having to do with this case and its aftermath.
I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Peace to you Ragdoll AJMO
TGF you are so very wise i am so glad you are here to share your thoughts. I am in total agreement with you. Now how do we make it happen?
Oooops!!
Sorry everyone … I goofed.
Post here at 6:01pm was supposed to be over on Kyron’s thread.
My aim is off today.
I am still in shock and horrified by this case. It is a nightmare. So, so tragic.
Mom 3.0 I have to tell you…you write so well and I agree with everything you said. Loved your analogies with the evidence and how the jurors interpreted it. And, your comment that the jurors looked at C-word as the victim and did not see Caylee as the victim… Spot on! RIP beautiful Caylee. I just pray Caylee did not suffer in her last moments. I will never forget her.
Thank you Mom. I KNOW we’re on the same page about this. I think the confusion is my ‘written in the stars’ comment. Maybe I can clarify what I was trying to convey
Logic would dictate what the obvious verdict should have been. As we all know, logic was defied. We can tally up all the reasons why it turned out the way it did, but reasonably, the c word should be in prison for many many years. That’s not an unreasonable expectation at all, imo.
When all this happened, I remember my husband telling me….there’s no understandable reason for this. Perhaps it was just meant to be. For all intense purposes, I agreed. You just know something doesn’t jive when so many people….like 75-80%??? feel the exact same way. When that verdict was read, I swear there was a collective, global gasp. I’m still with the opinion the state did a fantastic job. Would it have made any difference on ‘this jury’ had the state included every bit of evidence out there and threw down a histrionic performance…and brown nosed the jury like Baez? The jury made their decision long before they deliberated. Too much was in favour for the state, including Baez’s being schooled along the way, crossing lines where in fact he should have been sanctioned, objection….overuled x infinite, utter ignorance and disrespect for the bar, side bar at every quarter of the hour, nothing to support the fabricated drowning theory, absolutely no evidence of sexual abuse,…. You couldn’t have had a worse defense….and yet…..here we are.
It makes no sense. It was nothing short of a kangaroo court. How do we learn from this when essentially, c word should be in the pen house?
The good is Caylee’s Law.
Peace and love to you, Mom3.0 <3