Former UVA Cop Charged With Rape: Sean Michael Horn Faces Bond Hearing Today
Charlottesville, VA- Sean Michael Horn, 42, current Albemarle County reserve deputy and former police officer for the University of Virginia as well as the Albemarle Sheriffs Office was arrested last evening for rape. The arrest follows an extensive investigation conducted by the prosecutors office.
While there has been no specifics released, and it is the policy of www.blinkoncrime not to identify alleged victims of sexual crimes, we have learned that a complaint of rape against Horn was received in the Fall of 2011.
The arrest follows what can only be described as a series of chaotic incidents and events affecting Albemarle county law enforcement officers since 2009 at a minimum.
Following the death of 18 year old Greene County resident Colby Eppard on New Years Day 2010 by police gunfire, 7 Albemarle county officers were either suspended and/or demoted. Caleb Marden, a decorated sharp-shooter who served in Iraq was fired. Denise Lunsord, prosecutor for Albemarle county and North Garden resident, cleared all officers of any wrongdoing from the incident.
Eppard allegedly stole a neighboring Greene County patrol car and traveled almost 60 miles to Albemarle county. Although off duty Greene Sgt Randall Snead was out of his jurisdiction, Snead was among the officers in pursuit of Eppard and participated in the ambush to stop the teen. Snead’s former mentor and Sherriff, Willie Morris, committed suicide on January 28th.
Although he was on desk assignment pending the investigation of Eppard’s death, Snead responded to the scene of Morris’s home where he was located and rushed to the hospital. Morris was removed from life sustaining efforts without ever regaining consciousness. A suicide note blamed his tinnitus condition.
In a recent election, Steve Smith won the Sheriff slot running against Snead, and has since met with controversy after releasing nearly all of his staff. An email criticizing Smith was received by several news outlets from a previously fired Albemarle County Lt. Scott Cox, then a Greene county deputy who has since been released. Horn has Sheriff Smith listed as a friend on his facebook profile. Cox was among the Albemarle County Officers who was demoted after 18 years of service in the scandal.
Albemarle county is also the home of The Anchorage Farm, where murdered Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington was recovered after exhaustive searches of the areas surrounding the JPJ arena, UVA campus and private LE searches failed to locate her. Harrington disappeared from a Metallica concert at the John Paul Jones Arena on October 17, 2009 after being refused re-entry by security. DNA evidence has linked the Harrington case to a suspect in an unsolved rape in Fairfax, VA in 2005. Former lead detective now retired, Lt. Rader, has only indicated that forensic link means that Morgan came into contact with that individual prior to leaving Charlottesville.
Efforts to confirm whether Sean Horn was working the event as a UVA officer that evening have not been returned.
Corrine Geller, public information officer for the Virginia State Police, whose agency leads the probe into Morgan’s homicide responded to our inquiry as to whether or not Horn was a target of their continuing investigation this morning:
“The investigation remains ongoing at this time. I’m not able to comment on who our agents have or have not looked into during the course of their investigation.”
Horn lists Virginia Tech among his educational credentials on his facebook account, where Harrington was a junior at the time of her disappearance. It is not known if the two were acquainted.
Horn is being held in the Albemarle Regional jail pending his bond hearing today.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates.
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Thanks Blink. So do we have any idea of where Sketches DNA was found?
I also have always assumed it was found on Morgans remains probably due to my interpreting Gils writing that way.
I do respect and appreciate your keeping a vigil on BOC to keep to the facts and provide a dignified forum and place of support for victims and there families.
I heart you.
Hummingbird.
I do, but have been asked not to release it for investigative reasons.
Heart u back
B
We have all seen it in articles. Must I link it?
“sketch came into contact with morgan sometime that night”
They would not of said that if dna was only found on the shirt.
Sketch is our man and IMO acted alone.
You cannot say that as a certainty, coming into contact with a person means just that.
The quote you are referring to is stated by former VSP Joe Rader and can be found in the Disappeared Episode.
B
I believe it was already reported (although perhaps inaccurately?) that Sketch’s DNA was found specifically on the Pantera t-shirt, but it has never been released if it was found elsewhere (possibly on the body)…
“The most recent public development is the launch of a familial DNA search, which might determine whether the man whose DNA was found on the Pantera t-shirt who brutally raped a woman in Fairfax in 2005, has any immediate family members with DNA is in the state’s databank.”
http://www.readthehook.com/89962/harrington-case-air-investigation-discovery
Correct, but LE will not verify the location or source (specimen origin) as to that report or any other.
As an example, Corrine Geller responded specifically to that comment although unless I am missing it was erased where she discusses that sketch’s dna would not be suitable for familial testing based on the size of the sample available. You might recall i went somewhat ballistic, but it was all there in black and white, no getting around it.
B
This is off topic but when I look at the 2 faces of the missing Bains girls my heart breaks again because they look so much like Morgan to me. It haunts me.
On topic here: http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/05/09/searching-for-bains-is-not-in-vein-fbi-ups-the-reward-places-mayers-on-most-wanted-list-mayers-thinks-he-is-their-father/
Ode — I really hope they find them in time. From everything I read, they are making every effort. I am surprised there isn’t a little more chatter about them here. These are girls who can actually be saved, not just avenged.
ALthough I do not care for the intimation of your wording, I have been known to be the prickly pear now and again; I get it. As much as I would not mind a comparison to Scarlett Johannson, “avenging” is not for me, or anyone else here. Advocating yes.
You are right. See below. Get to work
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/05/09/searching-for-bains-is-not-in-vein-fbi-ups-the-reward-places-mayers-on-most-wanted-list-mayers-thinks-he-is-their-father/
George,
I am somewhat confused–maybe I missed something that has been brewing for a while. You seem to have an agenda, namely to call into doubt the value of (1) DNA in this case and (2) the Sketch. I can’t really understand your motives. Most of us who write here simply don’t know enough (or have enough insider info) to make strong arguments about the case–except to say that various leads, avenues, persons, ought to be pursued further.
I apologize for the interruption, this is an emergency:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/05/09/searching-for-bains-is-not-in-vein-fbi-ups-the-reward-places-mayers-on-most-wanted-list-mayers-thinks-he-is-their-father/
sorry blink. did not mean to offend.
I think I was on sensitive time yesterday over the Bain case. I know you did not, I appolly as well. Thanks for the kick to the tuckus.
B
quote from announcer and Joe Rader in the Disappeared Episode.
“5 years later, a DNA match links the same man to the dissappearance and murder of Morgan Harrington”.
“Forensically ,there’s a DNA connection that Morgan Harrington at some point during her time at Charlottesville prior to her death came into contact with a person who has already been in the unknown subject data base of Virginia”.
Blink, we can be certain that there is more evidence than just a (planted) hair on a t-shirt. Sketch came into contact with MORGAN. But, I understand you can’t push us to think in any direction on this one.
Thank you and thank you for posting the quote.
B
I wonder if the Fairfax victim has been able to view the Liz Plott photo of her attacker? If yes and there was a link, we would most likely have heard I guess…..
Oh thank God the Bain girls have been found alive and Mayer is dead from a self inflicted gun shot wound.
I have been praying all day for those children like many other people here on BOC and around the country.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/10/adam-mayes-dead-found-bain-mother-daughters-kidnapped-tennessee_n_1508135.html
I found myself posting words today I thought I would never post . I have been worried sick about the 2 young girls with Bain , especially since he reportedly was trying to buy Viagra , my thoughts of what his plans for the 2 youngest were confirmed. It made me physically ill to consider his depraved thoughts , what his actions would be , how the Mother & the eldest daughter must have gone through .
* What I posted today was about my feelings of happiness that Bain was dead . I posted I was so glad that he is dead & I meant it.
It was a strange feeling , to think a death , any death would cause me to smile. I realized that it’s not joy because of his death. I am truly happy he is dead , because he is no longer a threat to anyone , he can no longer abduct , torment & kill others. He will never kill another mother & child & leave 2 innocent ones in the midst of his wrath. I am glad that he is no longer on the face of this earth for those reasons.
Blessings to All !
“A DNA connection PRIOR to her death”. ??? The purse or it’s contents, the phone???
“Prior to her death” is really sticking out to me. It leads me to believe that the DNA would need to be on something of Morgan’s found near the arena such as her purse and phone. It isn’t logical to me to use the term “prior” if the DNA was only on the Pantera shirt. One of my pet theories has been that Sketch may have assisted the killer in the coverup and he dumped the tshirt for that person. Therefore if his DNA was only on that shirt we cannot be certain that he ever came in contact with a living Morgan. And if it was only near her remains we also cannot assume that he didn’t just help hide her body after the fact. I must say I wish we knew more about that shirt and the condition it was in. Plus I’ve always been slightly suspicious of the young man who found it especially after doing a little online digging about him. I don’t think he killed Morgan but given his ties to both the university and the surrounding community it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he couldn’t perhaps fill in some of the blanks regarding where Morgan went after leaving the arena, especially if the on campus sightings of her were valid.
i think the use of “prior” is certainly noteworthy, but i also think efforts to think outside of the box about this angle, sketch’s DNA and his involvement are sometimes heading down a rabbit hole.
for me, i think it is clear from the fairfax incident, where his dna was first collected, that sketch is known to be a violent rapist. given that his dna was again collected in Morgan’s case means to me, he was once again acting as a violent rapist and nearly certainly killed her, as he almost did with the fairfax victim, whom he might have killed if he wasn’t scared off.
for LE to use the phrase “prior to her death” may in fact offer some insight into where his dna was recovered from. my guess is that it does mean that it probably was found somewhere that it could only be found if she was alive when it was left behind, like under her fingernails for example.
fingernails …… Yes, of course. If that, I’d say it pretty much seals the deal. Now, let’s get this murderer!!
No disrespect meant to Morgan but would her fingernails have been present by the time her remains were found? I went back to read an article regarding Mr.Bass finding Morgan and I noted that he said he realized he wasn’t looking at deer remains when he saw the skull,finger,and toes. If he really did see toe bones then that makes me think there were no shoes on her. Obviously animals drag remains around a bit but one would assume if she was dumped and left fully clothed then some of that would be near her remains. Maybe it was and Bass either didn’t see it or was asked not to mention it by police.
Sorry for two posts in a row but this article confirms something other than Morgan’s necklace and shirt were missing from the location her body was found. So we know that she was found with her gold signet ring and a bracelet but that other items were missing. I assume that means some sort of clothing or maybe even all of it had been removed It also makes me wonder if DNA from her attacker could have been on that jewelry that she was wearing. blink if DNA had been on the jewelry would it have been given back to her mother after testing or would it remain stored with other evidence? One would assume that if her fingernails were still present and DNA was under them then a bracelt and ring she was wearing would have likely scrapped off a bit of the attacker’s DNA as well. http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/275685
If DNA were present on the jewelry it would be considered evidence, and no, would not have been returned.
B
Oops just realized the article said the bracelet was returned to Morgan’s mom but the ring wasn’t so perhaps it the source of sketches DNA.
Happy Mother’s Day to all of the moms on here, particularly Gil Harrington, an awesome mom; and, to of course, Blink, who I know is a great role model for her kids and is a mother figure to all of us on here!
I am so ready for a breakthrough in this case. I know that it is going to happen! The Harringtons deserve answers if not justice and the community needs to get a true monster off of the street.
Happy Mom’s Day to ALL.
B
happy mother’s day to all momma’s! george ,would your wife happen to know, if for forensic purposes ,does dna testing yield eye color ,on national geographic,on eskimoes it does.
Dear Gil
You are the best! Sending peace and comfort your way to-day, and all days. You have lost your beloved daughter, and all the grandchildren she might have brought to you. I am sorry. Please know
that you may have saved many other daughters by the knowledge you are imparting, and by your actions everyday. We love you always!
http://www.c-ville.com/Article/Courts_Crime/Morgan_Harringtons_mom_on_lawsuit_We_did_not_do_this_lightly/
“Gil Harrington says police also have taken a familial DNA sample from Morgan, and will evaluate new samples as they are received from other crimes.”
I’m done thinking about where the DNA was found. I’m convinced it was found with Morgan.
Leelee says:
May 13, 2012 at 4:40 am
No disrespect meant to Morgan but would her fingernails have been present by the time her remains were found?
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Yes, they would have still been there. DNA from under them is the most likely source, though we have no confirmation this is where they got it.
I would NOT be surprised to learn sketch’s DNA is still waiting to be processed into the ‘system’ but due to back log, is collecting dust. No way he’s assaulted once and murdered once.
It is about timing and skeech days are numbered. Yes, I called him skeech. It sounds like a sound a demon would make.
2-4-1
I am sorry to see so few new posts- I hope everyone is well and is still here, just quiet…
Leelee,
I did not find your post to be disrespectful to Morgan, I hope others did not as well. If I may, I will give you my perspective, as I have been researching this for quite sometime.
I too hope no one will take offense, and I hope Blink will allow us to discuss this, despite the graphic nature.
Leelee you wrote in part:
No disrespect meant to Morgan but would her fingernails have been present by the time her remains were found?
— Redly responded:
Yes, they would have still been there. DNA from under them is the most likely source, though we have no confirmation this is where they got it.
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Hello Redly- Although it is possible that Morgans fingernails were “there” it is not a given- Many factors come into play during decomposition.
The wounds on the body
The clothing worn at the time of death
The cause of death
The time of death
The weather
The surroundings
The animal life
on and on-
We know there was decompostional staining- we do not know when this occurred- as we are not sure when the remains were placed on the farm, although we suspect Morgan was there almost immediately-
We do not know whether or not she was initially covered with ample amount of leaf litter or other- loose dirt or submerged or partially submerged in water, either due to rainfall snow, or as a direct result of the perps actions…
We do not know if the remains were initially subjected to insect life- or if the rain and weather prevented their duties for a time.
We know that the weather was changing, going from one extreme to the next over the course of months… we know it rained and then was hot and sunny (remember the AF pics) we know it snowed alot and thawed and was cold and frigid- & snowed many feet and thawed again- we know it was windy etc-
all these weather conditions would have had a direct effect on the remains-
If frozen for a time and thawed the decompositional stages would have began and stopped and sped up and slowed several times- if there were open wounds these areas would decompose differently- and if clothed this too would have effected the decomposition.
The remains could have been “normal” then they could have progressed at an alarming rate- or slowed to a stop they could have “mummified” or not…we just dont know -
So for us, without knowing first hand, we can not say if fingernails would have been present or not- therefore we can not say what if any debris was preserved under the nail bed….
However- having said that, this, does not mean even in the “worst” conditions there would be no evidence, as there have been cases that have been solved even under the worst conditions- nature it seems aids CSI a great deal- its kinda of like the saying God does not close a door without opening a window- the same can be said for nature- even though it seems to close a door & work against us- it can also aid us in the most unlikely of ways by leaving a window slightly open.
I am not saying you are wrong Redly- I hope you dont mind me giving my two cents as you could be correct- all I am saying is we cant say for certain you know?
AJMO Peace
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Warning Some graphic Info
Hi Leelee, me again-
I really hope you dont mind me giving my perspective-
You went on to write in part:
“I went back to read an article regarding Mr.Bass finding Morgan and I noted that he said he realized he wasn’t looking at deer remains when he saw the skull,finger,and toes. If he really did see toe bones then that makes me think there were no shoes on her. Obviously animals drag remains around a bit but one would assume if she was dumped and left fully clothed then some of that would be near her remains. Maybe it was and Bass either didn’t see it or was asked not to mention it by police.”
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I apologize as I am unable to find my links, so I hope you or someoneelse can find the articles and post them…
BUT IIRC
there were several articles dealing with Mr. Bass’ initial thoughts on finding Morgan-
In one Mr. Bass is quoted as saying (pp) I saw the black clothing and I knew or suspected immediately that it was this missing concert goer, Morgan…
In another he is quoted as saying he saw the toes of Morgan and knew it was human remains-
In still another He is quoted as saying he initially saw what appeared to be a deers rib cage and in another he mentions the long hair ,although IIRC, he couldnt tell if it was blond etc…
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We know some of Morgans jewelry was recovered on her- IIRC Gil stated that Morgan was still wearing the bracelet – we know now, although in the beginning we did not, that Morgans earrings were recovered- they are shown in the art work- they were not hoops but long dangling harts… we do not know where these were found- whether or not they were in very close proximity to the remains, which would go to show possibly that Morgan was placed where she was found, or if the earrings were found further away which could go to show she was moved- either by nature- water flowing etc- or by animals…
We know now, basically what Morgan was wearing that night- we know due to the shirt find, that when her remains were found she was not wearing her Pantera shirt- however we do not know if she was wearing a tank top or other, underneath–
Blink- I am right in thinking Morgans new Metallica shirt- the one her friend bought her- to reciprocate for Morgans gift of a shirt, is accounted for and was not found with her remains?
—Regardless we do not know whether or not Morgans remains were found clothed in her tights/leggings or not- but I suspect given JMe’s legging find- perhaps they were not recovered with Morgan…
Mr Bass said he saw black clothing- but he also stated that he saw a rib cage- which makes me think Morgans mini was recovered- but IDK, as perhaps her undergarments were black also- which would account for Bass seeing the rib cage and seeing black and still leave room for the notion that Morgan had no outer clothing still with her at all….
Leelee- you are right animals could have moved Morgan, or other natural factors could have- all these varibles would have possibly damaged any clothing- as for her shoes- you are correct – IIRC both Blink and Morgans Momma said they were not found with the body and have never been recovered-
IIRC from Blinks article on the boots- they were tight fitting- and since Morgans remains did not seem to be dis-articulated- I would tend to think Morgans boots AND socks were removed prior to her death or close to it JMO- and most certainly prior to her placement on AF
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AJMO
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I do not know whether or not the DNA was found with or on Morgans remains or if the DNA was recovered solely or in addition to any DNA found on the Pantera shirt.
IRT the Pantera shirt we know trace evidence was found on the shirt-
remember very early on, even before the shirt was confirmed to be Morgans- during a press confeerence Rader stated they had evedince- meaning blood or other-
then we all thought this evidence was found with Morgans purse…but now perhaps we can surmise it was found with the shirt- IIRC the shirt was confirmed to be Morgans by either hair or blood a long with friends confirmation…
Does anyone recall the exact circumstances regarding the confirmation on the shirt- was it blood, hair or other?
The one thing that makes me question whether or not Sketchs DNA was on the shirt, is the same statement that is giving everyoneelse pause-
It was the Disappeared show quote from Rader indicating that Morgan came in contact with Sketch sometime that night propr to leaving Charlottesville.
I wish I could find the exact quote but Blink makes mention of it in the article attached to this thread :
“Former lead detective now retired, Lt. Rader, has only indicated that forensic link means that Morgan came into contact with that individual prior to leaving Charlottesville. ”
I remember at the time of the airing of the Disappeared show, I took note of this quote, as it seemed at the time Rader was almost letting Sketch off dfor any involvement in Morgans demise…
With statements like that it is easy to understand why some are so reluctant to even think this was murder/homicide and not due to accidental drug overdose or other..
But now I am not so sure, as it seems that Rader was trying to nudge anyone with info on Sketch, the man wanted in the Fairfax case to come forward and share info on the guy- in a way giving them room to speak without accusing “”sketch” outright..
Gil has mentioned trace evidence found with Morgan- but we can not know if she is speaking literally or figuratively when she speaks of (PP) semen stained rags.
Blink is right about Corrine Gellar stating there was not enough DNA to make a match…i remember you being livid Blink- IIRC that quote later morphed into LE was concerned with using up their sample for familial testing…and not securing it for later comparisons…perhaps Gellar mispoke initially and later better clarified her thoughts?
As everyone knows I was very disappointed in the Disappeared show- the police seemed almost clueless- and nothing new and positive seemed to be apparent in the “clues” and so musch was left out…and other info still not deemed worthy or useless….such as the lawn sighting etc…
I truly hope LE knows much more than they shared with this nationally televised show…perhaps they have alot, but have noone as of yet to weigh the evidence against? IDK- LE did seem confident that Morgans case would be solved-someday- and they werent giving up… I do hope that is the case- and that it is someday soon.
Thanks for letting me weigh in sorry for the length…
My prayers to the Harringtons and to the community.
Peace
AJMO
My beloved Switzerland- Ms. Gellar did mis speak and it was removed from the piece, but not from the web. Yes, I was livid, it was egregiously inappropriate in an active investigation. Lest we not be not judged by one transgression comes to mind..
I am sad to say this, but I do not believe LE knows a single thing more than they did within the first 6 months of this investigation and I will go on to say that I suspect that the suit filed by the Love family is likely to influence the current civil matter brought by Morgan’s estate and her parents.
And wth is no local media hounding this case or DA election????
WTH does that say about the agencies tasked to find her killer?
I gotta say, I really think at the end of the day, cold cases are going to be solved by the individual statutes of the FOIA and similar laws. Everyone see how backward that is?
B
soooo glad to see you Mom3.0
First let me say Hi to Alexandra- and thank you as well- Im happy to see you too.
Next, let me say- to Blink, thanks for your response. After this post i may lose my title as Switzerland, but somethingsure has to give
I agree it was not Corrine Gellars finest moment- but sadly it is not her worst by far either, not even in this case alone- as I remember it is she who gave you her assertions that the shirt was most definitely NOT Morgans- …again an easily poo pooed away comment which could have been due to mispeaking or due to the # of agencies on scene at the time….but where I hold her to the fire is when I take into account it was She who made the NOW infamous comment below :
“We deal in absolutes,” says Geller. “We need to be sure that what we put out there is 100 percent accurate.”
What?! Really, because in Morgans case alone there has NEVER been any absolutes or 100 percents- in fact the timeline itself is STILL so much in question their own witnesses contradict one another…
I hear what you are saying Blink, IRT the Love family suit AND with Gils suit… and it is sad but so true- AND I ONLY WISH Colbys family filed their own..- (btw this is another instance where I cant help but hold Corrine Gellers feet to the fire as she was instrumental in Colbys case as well JMO )
I know you are a staunch supporter of LE Blink, and I too support and respect them, but we both know they are human and they make mistakes and they are subject to the same shortcomings as other human beings- who sometimes just want to protect their own, and keep their azzes out of the fire… so I support victims and their families using the court system to their advantage when needed- sometimes when true justice can not be found civil suits/court are the only option- think about the Goldman and Brown families.
As to your question on why the local media isnt hounding these cases- IDK- perhaps it is because they try hard not to bite the hand that feeds them- afterall- who was barred from the walk-thru etc ..perhaps despite good intentions and good journalistic skills- which outlet of local media undoubtedly showcases- it boils down to something all together more simplistic…who knows it only leaves me to wonder….
Perhaps I have become much too cynical…
I am very sad to read my worst fears are confirmed by your thoughts- IRT LE not knowing much more than they did since the first months of the investigation…Sigh- because Dear Blink if that is true- they do not truly know much of anything, and may not even have all the information that is needed and which was collected by the the other agencies… Im sure if this is the case, Gils suit will help to bring forth the info needed. Heres to hoping against hope…
AJMO Peace
I know it may seem like I am being a board hog- I apologize for so many lengthy posts but I have been away for awhile and hust so happen to have some free-time so my mouth /typing is running on full steaM AHEAD…
Its been awhile since I have been posting and I havent found my groove yet- I apologize for all of my typos and errors as well as somehow overlooking some very good posts which contained some of the info I needed…sheesh- I forgot how hard it is to convey your thoughts in writing and how easy it is to mistakenly gloss over a real good post while speed reading…
Eddie thanks for finding and posting the quote Y
Eddie pettengill says:
May 10, 2012 at 1:25 pm
quote from announcer and Joe Rader in the Disappeared Episode.
“5 years later, a DNA match links the same man to the dissappearance and murder of Morgan Harrington”.
“Forensically ,there’s a DNA connection that Morgan Harrington at some point during her time at Charlottesville prior to her death came into contact with a person who has already been in the unknown subject data base of Virginia”.
Leelee, you wrote that the shirt does not account for the use of the word “prior” and I agree as the shirt could have been placed days later my question would be IF Morgans blood AND Sketchs DNA was found on the shirt…can LE determine if Morgans blood came from her while alive, and not after her death? If so this could account for the wording of “prior”…
Can Blink or anyone answer this question concerning the blood of a deceased person vs a live person?—
Dee Tee, you wrote:
sketch’s DNA and his involvement are sometimes heading down a rabbit hole.
I agree with this statement- and it is true mostly becuase of LEs handling of all things Sketch related-
from the start they did not want to release this information- Why not? Why is Morgan Harringtons family the ones who seem to be adamant on keeping Sketch in the forefront, and why does it seem LE wants only to downplay the Sketch-?
Why is their wording so…well, dismissive IRT Sketch and his possible involment, its almost as if they do not believe the fairfax victim…something is off and I am not so sure it is the Sketch, alone….
Dee Tee you went on to write:
“for me, i think it is clear from the fairfax incident, where his dna was first collected, that sketch is known to be a violent rapist. given that his dna was again collected in Morgan’s case means to me, he was once again acting as a violent rapist and nearly certainly killed her, as he almost did with the fairfax victim, whom he might have killed if he wasn’t scared off.”
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DT- from your perspective it seems clear, but if we look solely at LEs handling and comments, we begin to second guess all of these “facts”- so the question becomes why? why is LE making it so hard to apply Occams razor IRT Sketch? Are they aware off some info that we are not privy to, which dictates that they must hold reservations regarding the whens and whys and hows of Sketch and Morgans “contact”?
Do they have another suspect in mind, and if so is this suspect clearly not involved with Sketch, and is this intel on another possible suspect a case of tunnel vision and making the facts fit the suspect…or are we the ones who may have tunnel vision and LE are merely trying their hardest not to become fixated on Sketch…
Mind-boggling isnt it?
Dee Tee you went on to make this important point-
“for LE to use the phrase “prior to her death” may in fact offer some insight into where his dna was recovered from. my guess is that it does mean that it probably was found somewhere that it could only be found if she was alive when it was left behind, like under her fingernails for example.”
I agree that this would seem to be the case, that LE must know that Morgan came in contact with Sketch some time prior to her death- did they receive an anonymous tip? Does the DNA evidence support this live encounter? Rose 7 is right, Fingernails would seem to answer this, but how can the comment be “at Charlottesville” then be attributed? Morgan could have scratched him at anytime on AF in the car etc- so why also make a point of saying at Charlottesville and prior to her death?
Rabbit hole indeed Dee tee-
What does LE know or think they know IRT Sketch and Charlottesville and contact prior to death that they are not saying- clearly it must be something-
LE sure seems to be willing to muddle and confuse instead of clarify and unscramble…
AJMO
Peace
what is IRT ?…..I think LE refers to C’VILLE & prior to death bc DNA was probably found on an item found in one of the parking lots i.e morgans phone.I still think VSP are witholding some things from the public.No way is Morgan not on video anywhere especially if she were by the ticket office of JPJ arena.That is impossible!!!!!It’s impossible only if somebody erased footage.Who would be able too do that?LE or security.Which could be why it seems VSP are not sold on “Sketch”.As I said before Dino’s reaction/body language in the Disappeared episode when talking about Sketch is very unsettling.
What I don’t understand about “Sketch” is if VSP were 100% sold on the photo why not update it?The “Sketch” is 7yrs old surely the idiot has aged some…
IRT= I really think
I dunno, but I do know they were given the option.
Bern, you can only have one hat here please.
B
I appreciate your lengthy comments mom 3.0 as they are very insightful. My question regarding her fingernails stemmed from my understanding that Morgan was basically a skeleton of shattered bones. The lengthy exposure to the elements made me wonder if Morgan’s fingernails would stil be present. I sort of had the condition of poor Caylee Anthony in mind although her body was submerged for quite sometime during a hot Florida summer. I really think DNA of an attacker had to be on some of the jewelry that was found with Morgan since it was states that at least one piece was released to her family while a signet ring was kept as evidence. I can think of no other reason to keep one piece and return another.
I must say I am fascinated by Mr Bass’s varied statement regarding what caused him to realize Morgan wasnt a deer. I started looking at various stories which quoted him he is both detailed and vague. What at mean by that is one point it appears he was looking close enough to recognize the bones of her feet but then he also says there wasn’t anything present that clearly identified the gender. That leads me to believe the clothes may have been scattered because if she was still wearing her skirt then it would be safe to assume the sex was female.
In regards to the shirt I noted something interesting. The shirt was always described as being black with Pantera written in large letter in beige.However in an interview The young man who found instated that the shirt was black with Pantera written in beige and the faces of the band members on it. I wonder about the cause of that discrepancy. I also wonder why the student who found the shirt did not believe that it was related to the crime yet he spoke of a conscious decision not to touch the shirt and then he decided to call the police. It was also interesting to note that one man man who lived near the location where the shirt was found immediately assumed police suspected him of involvement because he had been to the Metallica concert that night. Cant remember his name but he was the drummer for a band called Bella Morte. He apparently felt relief when he realized police weren’t suspicious of him and just wanted to know if he had seen anything suspicious near his apartment.
Blink I just read Gil’s blog from September. 22nd 2010 where she speaks of being left “with bloodstained clothing on our laps.” The wording of that blog left me unsure if she was speaking figuratively or literally and if she was being literal is she speaking of blood on the shirt that was found ?
To my knowledge, there was no blood found on the Pantera shirt. The drummer initials are BS
B
great to see you posting again Mom 3.0 and also to see you are still spot to on an enormous amount of detail!
there are many things about this case that we have all been trying to reconcile, and of course, one of the most puzzling for me has been LE’s investigation of and communication to the public about this case. at nearly every turn there is confusion, conflicting information and just plain alarming behavior.
i think it might help us to take a step back and say that we need to remember that when we talk about LE here we are talking about LE as if it were a single entity. but this is not at all true. there is uvapd, acpd and vsp all with a dog in this race. then, within each of these, there is, as Blink has pointed out in this and other pieces, a broad spectrum of individuals that make up those teams. good cops and bad cops if you will. also among these players and teams, there is to some extent or another, a perceived hierarchy and power struggle.
i think you can also add to this brew a fact that at some point or another, there is an inherent understanding that good cop a from team vsp, may need to rely on neutral cop c from acpd and bad cop b from uvapd in a life threatening situation. this is LE work and reality. a certain “professionalism” is required.
now if we suppose that there is in fact evidence and a suspect in this case, and that suspect has some ties to some of the bad cops, or maybe even some of the good cops for the sake of discussion, i can then begin to understand how LE as a whole has floundered this case. add a questionable prosecutor to this equation and you can change “floundered” to just plain “effed this case up.”
personally, i believe this is a solvable case, and it likely has been solved by some of the players, but there are still obstacles presenting a successful prosecution. to me, the information we have suggests that those obstacles lie somewhere with in the entity of LE.
this case needs one good cop to break it open.
I thought IRT was ” in regards to”…not that it matters.
Pep, that would be the kind of request I would need the case information for before I could advise, ok to post it privately and I will see what I can do.
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I feel like a crazy person, but can anyone look into whether James D. Willie (being held on charges of kidnapping, aggravated assault, and rape, and formally charged today– May 18, 2012–with two counts of capital murder for two separate killings on Mississippi highways) could be Morgan’s Sketch? Willie’s mug shot resembles Sketch (but there are probably hundreds of mug shots that do). But can anyone find out if Willie would have had reason to travel in or through Virginia– for work, or to visit family or friends? I can’t find any easily accessible info on him online. While its a long trip from Sardis, Mississippi to Charlottesville and Fairfax, Virginia, it is a fairly straightforward trip on major haighways the whole way. Again, I’m sorry for the potential distraction, but I find that now I always compare mug shots to the image of Sketch in hopes that LE will catch him as a result of his involvement in another crime.
For comparison, here is a link to Willie’s mugshot, followed by a link to an image of Sketch.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0RGzf6LWCKY/T7Yuu807j1I/AAAAAAAACpA/XjlIeDOwxO4/s1600/murdersuspect.jpg
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID1168/images/resized_Morgan_Harrington_Suspect_Sketch.jpg
F.W.I.W. Gil Harrington wrote of semen and blood regarding Morgans murder and her remains.
Yes we do not know if she was speaking figuratively or literally.
In my mind the detectives statement that due to DNA evidence, Morgan had come into contact with Sketch in Charlottesville sometime prior to her death, does not rule out the DNA coming from semen on Morgans body.
Morgan went missing outside a concert in town and was found dead and from what I remember had been sexually assaulted/raped. This would have happened when Morgan was alive, prior to her death, and as she went missing it is not a stretch to say she came into contact with Sketch prior to her death in and around Charlottesville. Also with the probability that who ever picked her up either by violent abduction, or on the bridge near town and transported her to AF was the person who murdered her OR one of the people who did. Why LE make this vague statement in the first place? Good question. It comes across as a sort of trick statement, for whatever reason, to flush some one out, or encourage someone to come forward or to further confuse things ,who knows?
The other thing that has occurred to me is the issue of whether Morgan was kept alive for a period of time before her death and tortured etc , which we know she was tortured and beaten before her death …but was her death that night or after that night. The fact that the earrings were retrieved from Morgans’ body as was stated here on BOC today along other jewelry makes me think she died that night , which is what we would all like to think. But particularly long dangly earrings , as IMO if she was kept alive for an extended period of time I think they would have been taken off. Of course that does not explain why the boots , leggings and t shirt were not on Morgans body, but if someone was suddenly and violently
committing a rape, they would have to tear the boots off to get the leggings off and the t shirt to expose the upper body. I hope there was skin under Morgans nails, I hope she scratched like a she cat and kicked the shit out of her attacker/attackers with those boots. Coward and miscreant that he is.
Yes let’s hope the civil case dredges up information that has been kept in the dark and flushes out Morgans killer.
Here is a link with a different picture of the highway killer who was apprehended because a woman reported he had raped her. In this picture he does look like sketch to me.
: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/18/james-d-willie-shootings-mississippi-highway_n_1527102.html
Hello Bp3 and all
FYI Ode interpreted IRT my way as I was using it to represent In Regards To-
bp3- I understand why you think the DNA must have been found on Morgans phone or perhaps on one of the other items left behind in the lot- it does seem plausible except, even those items with Sketchs DNA would not answer the why to Raders very specific statement:() added by me
“Forensically ,there’s a DNA connection that Morgan Harrington at some point during her time at Charlottesville prior to her death came into contact with (sketch)a person who has already been in the unknown subject data base of Virginia”.
Why not? Because truthfully those items could have been placed there at anytime- during the abduction, prior to her death, or afterward the items could have been brought back to the lots to throw off LE from the dumpsite on AF-
Besides these reasons, the phone, its back, Morgans purse, its contents and the umbrella -these items were handled by countless people- some were turned into lost & found by the team players- the next morning…
So just How can Rader have made the leap to say, very specifically- that some time, at Charlottesville, Morgan had “contact” with Sketch prior to her death and they have a forensic link to prove this?
I agree that LE know more than they are saying- my goodness they knew about the link and the shirt but said nothing- so yeah they know stuff, just like they knew about the father/daughter sighting and curtsy duo- but refrained from alerting the public, even though to hold onto this info seemed to serve no purpose, just as they held on to the fact that the Boys in Black- leg shaking group were members of the BB team…just like they held onto the info about the BB players and Morgan asking for a ride and the whole “With not with” BS…
So yeah I agree they do know things and believe me I understand the need for LE to keep certain info close to the vest in order to further the investigation but come on what has holding this info aided in? Nothing that I can fathom- but I do realize I am not a cop, so what do I know? and I do so hope they know what they are doing, & that this strategy works for them in the long run.
As for the JPJ security tape- I agree it does seem unbelievable and I do hope they have footage and are holding it for later use.
Thanks Bp3 for sharing your thoughts BTW what did you mean when you wrote:
As I said before Dino’s reaction/body language in the Disappeared episode when talking about Sketch is very unsettling.?? I must have missed it.
Ps thanks for asking what IRT was, as I had no idea Blinky thought it meant I REALLY THINK… that might explain a lot about our past conversations J/K
AJMO
Hi Leelee thank you for appreciating my very lengthy posts..no matter how hard I try I can not seem to edit them down…
I totally understand your thought process Leelee IRT the condition of the remains and regarding the possibly fingernails…
I can not say if there was DNA left on any jewlry- as Morgan was wearing several peices- but Blink is right, IF thes items did hold forensic evidence I cant see why LE would return them to the family. I would think that would be against protocal- but I am aware that it does happen..
For instance, in following Stevie Mike and Chris’s case (WM3) I came to find out that a cloth friendship bracelet was left on little Stevie, and was buried with him, I would have thought all items would have been taken and tested and held, but not so in this case…
I agree regarding the ring vs the bracelet, perhaps Morgan got in one good punch, and some of the perps skin or hair was held by the ring?
But still Leelee this DNA evidence with Morgan would not account for Raders specific comment of prior to her death during her time at Charlottesville… and “contact” is so vague- that could mean almost anything, you know?
Leelee, you make an excellent point on Mr Bass’ statements- he did say (pp) that nothing made him realize the gender… perhaps the clothing undergarments or skirt or other was to matted down to identify just what article of clothing it was? So just a thought, but the clothes do not necessarily need to be scattered to be unable to identify them specifically…
You went on to write Leelee:
In regards to the shirt I noted something interesting. The shirt was always described as being black with Pantera written in large letter in beige.However in an interview The young man who found instated that the shirt was black with Pantera written in beige and the faces of the band members on it. I wonder about the cause of that discrepancy.
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There is so much misinformation aboand confusion about the clothing Leelee- wand not just the shirt but the leggings and the boots so it is very hard to say what was happening and why you know? But I wonder too, if it makes you feel any better you are not alone in your pondering.
You cont:
I also wonder why the student who found the shirt did not believe that it was related to the crime yet he spoke of a conscious decision not to touch the shirt and then he decided to call the police. It was also interesting to note that one man man who lived near the location where the shirt was found immediately assumed police suspected him of involvement because he had been to the Metallica concert that night. Cant remember his name but he was the drummer for a band called Bella Morte. He apparently felt relief when he realized police weren’t suspicious of him and just wanted to know if he had seen anything suspicious near his apartment.
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Yes I remember- FWIW, I think any person who followed the music scene knew about the disappearance- and probably heard about what Morgan may have been wearing- so maybe the kid was just listening to his own redflags when it came to not touching the shirt…but i do agree the whole shirt placement find retrieval and handling is strange…as for the drummer being relieved, I cant blame him- as if I found myself in the same situation, I would probably feel much th same- JMO
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As to your thoughts on Gils words she could have been speaking both figuratively and literally- as if there was decompositional staining and Morgans clothes were with the remains, it would definitely be visually disconcerting and could be described as “bloody”
Thanks for sharing your ideas with me Leelee- you certainly come up with some very thought-provoking points.
AJMO
I want to press the ‘Like’ buttons on these posts, particularly Hummingbird and Mom 3.0; I’m glad that you’re back and going at it.
All good points, Deetee included. Thank you.
Hello DeeTee, glad to see you are still around- thanks for your response and for your kindness in describing my too lengthy posts as containing enormous detail-LOL
I totally agree with your points IRT making sure we keep in mind LE in this case is not true- as there are so many agencies involved… vet important point DT thanks for making it.
You wrote:
“there are many things about this case that we have all been trying to reconcile, and of course, one of the most puzzling for me has been LE’s investigation of and communication to the public about this case. at nearly every turn there is confusion, conflicting information and just plain alarming behavior.”
Exactly Dee tee- and it is maddening …take for instance again the Sketch- Police were mad at Blink for releasing the info and for getting the connection to a past rape wrong- well had they released the correct info, then that would not have happened- and Gil andwas thankful that info she had known about “for awhile” was finally outthere- so that knowing what the potential suspect looked like may make it harder for him to attack another and may keep potential victims aware of just such a person…
But to say they,LE hadnt had time to work with FF police or to even show the Sketch to Mr. Bass- is just well strange- as how long does it take to sit down with someone and say do you recognize this person?
Then add to that the finder of the shirt, BS had not been shown the Sketch either, and IIRC acccording to Blink long after there were still concert/lot winesses that had yet to be shown the Sketch…so excuse me but just who was shown the Sketch? Morgans friends who were separated from her early in the night? the BB players, the lot attentendents, curtsy duo father daughter who? We know at least Gil and Dan were aware of Sketch, so at least that is a starting point…
snipped- With only one eyewitness, the rape victim, in the 2005 Fairfax assault, are police worried that the public may now exclude viable suspects if they’re told the perpetrator must be African American?
“It’s a possibility,” concedes State Police spokesperson Corrinne Geller, who says police would have actually preferred to withhold the information and the composite sketch from the public even longer than they did in order to collect more information and finish pursuing investigative leads with the Fairfax police department.
Geller says the timing of the release was prompted by a crime blog, which announced that investigators had discovered a link between the Harrington case and another recent Fairfax case— the wrong one. When news outlets began contacting her for confirmation, Geller says, police feared widespread misinformation would damage the investigation by prompting a flurry of false leads.
“It pressured us to get this information out there,” says Geller, admitting that the decision was so rushed that police hadn’t even shown the composite to David Bass, the man who found Harrington’s remains and who might have recalled seeing someone fitting the description on his 742-acre farm.
A reporter shared the image with Bass, who says the man is not familiar to him.
If police are piqued by the expedited release of information, bereaved parents Dan and Gil Harrington say they’re grateful that the connection they’ve known about for “some time” has finally been made available to members of the public, who might be able to help.
“It’s why I’ve been pushing them to release it,” says mother Gil Harrington, via telephone on July 1, the day police announced the connection. “It’s better to be able to make a statement to be alert and be cautious of someone who looks like this,” she says. “It’s much more likely to keep people in the community safe.”
Here is the same article further snipped-
Why eight months?
Why did it take so long to get a DNA match? Geller has long said DNA testing can take up to six months for the overburdened Virginia state crime lab to complete, even in a high profile case like Morgan Harrington’s. She declines to say exactly when police received the results or even what type of forensic evidence was tested.
Ralph Barfield, a retired Charlottesville police sergeant and founder of Blue Ridge Forensic Services, doesn’t doubt her explanation.
“In Virginia, there’s such a huge backlog,” says Barfield. And the complexity of DNA testing can slow things down even more, he says, especially if the sample is small or of poor quality.
For the first three months of the Harrington case— prior to the January 26 discovery of her remains— investigators had little to go on other than the witness accounts that placed Morgan at various points ending with her hitchhiking on the Copeley Road Bridge at 9:30pm, about an hour after she somehow ended up outside the Arena during a Metallica concert and was denied reentry. Her purse and battery-less cell phone, which were discovered the next day in the RV lot by Lannigan Field by a men’s lacrosse player, yielded no clues, police have said, but a t-shirt, discovered in mid-November on a bush outside an apartment building at the corner of Grady Avenue and Fifteenth Street, would provide a bizarre twist in an already confusing case.
In April, five months after its discovery, police announced that forensic evidence revealed that the Pantera t-shirt— which some believed was a lookalike shirt placed by someone unrelated to the case as a twisted joke— did, in fact, belong to Morgan. That forensic evidence, says Barfield, was most likely DNA— and, he says, a likely source for the match with the Fairfax case since extracting an assailant’s DNA evidence from Morgan’s decomposed remains, which were exposed to the elements for three months, would have been very difficult. (Like farm owner Bass, the UVA student who discovered the t-shirt had not yet been shown the composite sketch when a reporter showed it to him.)
So yes, Dee Tee, LE whichever agency, their handling seems to be confusing to me…
AJMO
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Sorry for length and typos guys-
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For the first three months of the Harrington case— prior to the January 26 discovery of her remains— investigators had little to go on other than the witness accounts that placed Morgan at various points ending with her hitchhiking on the Copeley Road Bridge at 9:30pm, about an hour after she somehow ended up outside the Arena during a Metallica concert and was denied reentry. Her purse and battery-less cell phone, which were discovered the next day in the RV lot by Lannigan Field by a men’s lacrosse player, yielded no clues, police have said, but a t-shirt, discovered in mid-November on a bush outside an apartment building at the corner of Grady Avenue and Fifteenth Street, would provide a bizarre twist in an already confusing case.
In April, five months after its discovery, police announced that forensic evidence revealed that the Pantera t-shirt— which some believed was a lookalike shirt placed by someone unrelated to the case as a twisted joke— did, in fact, belong to Morgan. That forensic evidence, says Barfield, was most likely DNA— and, he says, a likely source for the match with the Fairfax case since extracting an assailant’s DNA evidence from Morgan’s decomposed remains, which were exposed to the elements for three months, would have been very difficult.
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2010/07/06/is-this-morgans-killer-fairfax-case-connection-offers-hope-fresh-fear/
Well according to this article- the items -the purse and phone yielded no clues, the umbrella was not specifically mentioned…
And then we have the retired officer who believes the DNA came from Morgans shirt as he believes Morgans remains would be to decomposed to garner much evidence-
BUT if this was true- STILL it could not account for Raders specific comment of sometime at Charlottesville and PRIOR to her death,
and according to my research, even though the officer is correct that it would be difficult it would not be impossible to recover evidence months later-
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sperm cells do not degrade as actively in postmortem due to an absence of cells normally found in a live victim’s vaginal and cervical fluids.
The vaginal site is the most likely location to obtain specimens positive for sperm. It also indicates that deterioration of evidence first occurs in mouth samples and then in vaginal or rectal samples.
Postmortem Detection of Semen
Very little has been published about the postmortem recovery of semen from rape-homicide victims. One report found morphologically intact spermatozoa in the vagina of a rape-homicide victim who had been dead 16 days. A more recent report describes the recovery of intact spermatozoa from the vagina of a homicide victim at 34 days postmortem. This victim also had detectable p30 on the vaginal swab. No information was available in either report as to the time interval between deposition of semen and death.
A few anecdotal reports have been published describing the recovery of sperm from dead bodies. In these cases there was no history of sexual assault, but swabs were obtained at autopsy as a ‘precaution’. Little or no information was available about the time of deposition relative to the time of death. One reported postmortem vaginal recovery was 3-4 months. One body with vaginal sperm was immersed in water up to 2.5 weeks. One mummified corpse yielded vaginal sperm 5-6 weeks postmortem.
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So there is a chance as there is hope that nature left that window slightly open…
Also according to my research -although Hair can show as coming from a deceased person (banding0 blood it would seem does not- especially when degradation has occurred due to the elements- so again I ask what could prompt Rader to give such a detailed statement regarding contact and at Charlottesville and PRIOR to death?
IDK
AJMO
PS To Hummingbird- great post you have given me much to think about as always- you could be right-good to see you My misty mountain friend.
Hello Again All ~
I’m still here reading & posting every now & then. It’s really good to see the core support of several hanging in there & still posting . After going back over all the old information, new thoughts & new questions come to mind for many.
The one thought that weighs heavily on my mind is going back to where things 1st seemed to be odd. And to me that 1st time was the report about the ticket taker at the door & the explanation that Morgan’s ticket was torn into pieces the bottom of her purse & because of this ,she no longer had a ticket & she could not be re-admitted . At the time of her being denied re-entry , the policy was if you leave the venue for any reason , there is no re-entry Even if you have your original ticket. I found it odd that the ticket taker shared with VSP who relayed information in detail on the Disappeared Episode from the ticket taker that was not true to their standing policy of No Re-Entry , it did not jive. That being said , I believe it would be great for LE to offer a lie detector test. Then bring them back 1 by 1 , and have 1 on 1 detailed questioning for hours & hours.
The BB players were the last to interact with Morgan in the RV lot, weren’t they? There had to be many friends and hangers-on around the BB players that night empting out in to the parking lot after practice, I would think. To exit the parking lot, don’t you have to go over the bridge making a left or where the parking lot exit and the bridge meet make a right hand turn? There were how many BB players? Were the curtsey duo students? I forget. I cannot believe that the perp(s) just so happened to be driving by at that time. It just doesn’t seem logical, to me.
SO good to see you Mom3.0 !! Enjoyed your in depth, thought provoking posts as usual.
Thank you glad to see you are back
Seems an eternity since we linked arms and hearts and heads together to honor Morgan, her family and all victims ….my Misty Mountain friend indeed much love you xoxoxo
Oh you too Alabamamom!! xoxoxo
How many accounts does one person have on here,lol..So the internet rumors are true,lol
bern1417, I caught your changing of your hat which is not allowed without prior approval, so I do not understand your comment. I also do not understand how it is constructive in any way.
B
A post above mentioned the first time something seemed odd regarding the case. While the situation with her ticket is strange but for me something is iffy about whatever really resulted in Morgan being outside the arena. Her friends seemed weirdly apathetic that night.I am now 26 and during college my friends and I often took roadtrips to go to various concerts. Alcohol was always involved and usually by the end of the night there would be at least one member of our group who would turn into an intolerable and belligerant drunk.But when that happened we never let Drunkity McEmbarrassing ramble off alone. And we certainly wouldn’t have left our group of friends to go to the bathroom alone. And if said friend was then locked out the arena one of us would have left too even if it meant wasted money on a concert ticket. I cannot fathom being Morgan’s friend and not being incredibly worried about her. I wonder if Morgan’s argument with her friends was far worse than we were led to believe or if we don’t really know why she left them despite the fact that they had her car. Was there someone specific in town they assumed she was with? Perhaps the friends weren’t totally open about what happened in the arena because drugs and/or alcohol were involved and they didn’t want to be linked to any illegal activity.However,I don’t discount the possility of Morgan’s friends sharing information about that night to the police and for some reason it has been kept quiet. I just don’t get how her friends knew they hand’t seen or hear from her since the night before yet they decided to drive her car home.
Drunkety McEmbarassing poured half a flask of Jack Daniels on my head at a John Mellencamp concert and I wanted to sock her with it, but instead we all got her back to the hotel safely, where she proceeded to run around the halls in a white see through nightgown when I went downstairs to get some waters to help sober her up. It was the Sheraton style where you can see all the hallways from the lobby, lol.
When they could not locate Morgan, and VSP has stated they went someplace to eat for a few hours and then went home in her car, I was like, what dynamic in the relationship would make them believe she would just abandon her vehicle and her coat, and presumably not answer her phone and did they attempt to reach her? Should the civil suit proceed, and I have every confidence it will, we will learn the answers to a lot of these questions.
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This has most likely been done, and I’m not sure it would help given the amount of information being witheld, BUT, has anyone (news,media exp.) ever asked Rader to elaborate on the “prior to death” comment?
Also I’ve very much enjoyed going over all the recent posts. I had another questions.
I’ve heard Morgans tights may have been found/seen? and missed?