Isabel Celis Abduction BREAKING NEWS: Docs Show Blood In Bedroom Police Eye Family AND Neighbor
*LIVE TONIGHT On THE DANA PRETZER SHOW Blink Discusses The Isabel Celis Case*
After 550 plus pages of what amounts to discovery in a likely criminal case, Friday afternoon yielded a window to the world of the investigation of missing 6 year old Isabel Mercedes Celis.
Isa, according to the document release consisting of 6 packets of PDF files of police incident and timesheet reports was last seen by her Father who kissed her goodnight and dimmed her bedroom light after showering and braiding of her hair by her Mother Becky in anticipation of her baseball game the next morning with the Diamondbacks.
Isabel’s baseball Jersey number is #4.
The “goodnight kiss” was the first time the public has heard the actual version in his words containing the account that he was the last person to see Isabel before her disappearance as well as confirm that her window was closed when he closed the door.
Certainly not unexpected to hear a loving father’s tender goodnight detail to his baby girl, but most unexpected was the revelation that on Isabel’s bedroom floor was an obvious area of blood.
While it has not been disclosed whose blood was located on the floor of the southeast middle bedroom located on E 12th St, Sergio and Becky Celis were required to provide blood samples under a warrant obtained a few days later.
The Usual Suspects- FAMILY
It is clear from the released reports that a significant amount of time and effort has been spent on investigation of Sergio Celis and Becky’s brothers Bob Rodriguez and Justin Mastromarino as previously reported on www.blinkoncrime.com Mastromarino’s own niece Chelsea and her fiancée Danny Cline told a shoe salesperson and subsequently investigators that they believe he is a drug dealer and owes someone a great deal of money and Isa was taken for some purpose to satisfy that debt.
A truck owned by Bob Rodriguez was removed by warrant from in front of the Celis home without warning and a towel which tested negative for blood but reacted to luminol was taken into evidence as well as a pocket knife from its contents.
Blood evidence was found in the driver’s seat of the Toyota Corolla mostly driven by Sergio Celis and the red inoperable Acura as well as a stained shower curtain and white hat. Keeping in mind, Tucson PD released some documents that are heavily redacted as they are required via a freedom of information act request, by any standard; the completeness of the response teams and first responders to the scene and the surroundings was swift and MASSIVE.
Exactly one week earlier on April 13th, Sergio Celis received several criminal citations to include dogs running at large, without proper vaccinations and licenses. Celis pled not guilty during an arraignment on April 26th and is due back in court on June 4th.
At the risk of inserting a glib remark in the middle of such a macabre subject matter- Who let The Dogs Out? Who, Who Who?
Who prompted the report to Tucson City Police in the first place? Was someone attempting to have the animals removed from the residence a week earlier?
Do all the dogs belong to the Celis’s or are they housing them for a family member who now lives in an apartment and cannot keep a pet?
Perhaps this is an indication that what looks to be a fortified and nearly impenetrable without detection abode is, well, not so much. In a video of Isabel singing and dancing to an Abba song (undated but presumed recent) it is clear that the living room window, which shares the same outside wall as the window next to it separated by the interior wall Sergio references in his 911 call, is clearly open.
Celis LR Open BOC
On May 11, citing a previous CPS involvement in December of 2011 and “to provide time and distance” between Sergio and his two sons, Sergio Celis voluntarily agreed to a no contact order after a CPS meeting which was instigated by the detectives working on Isabel’s case- due to “information they learned in the course of the investigation” into Isabel’s disappearance.
What prompted the concerns exactly has not been made public and the order remains in effect. Becky Celis and Sergio’s sister refuted any allegations that Mr. Celis was anything but a model dog owner, Father and Husband at a public vigil for Isabel.
No doubt Sergio Celis’s use of the word abducted and his inappropriate lack of hysteria during the 911 call has made him a defacto suspect if only in the minds, thoughts… and blogs of those following Isabel’s case.
It is not the only oddity. During his first interview at the scene with police, Sergio states he is aware of the registered sex offender down the street, he knows him, and he does not believe him to be involved.
Is that a natural response of a parent who has knowledge of the sex offender status of a neighbor when he has just learned his child is missing?
That said, in the interviews of Sergio Celis’s employers who have known him for several years, he was found to be an exemplary employee, model husband and family man whose advice one dental surgeon sought often for his own personal situation.
It is standard protocol for detectives to conduct a parallel investigation of the victims family, in this case where a 6 year old child seemingly disappears from the window of her bedroom sometime between midnight and 6:30AM, with three dogs on the premises, a stranger abduction within the walls of what looks like a mini Alamo replica defies statistics and logic.
Or Does it?
Neighborly Concern
Matching footprints in the soft dirt around a green electric box along the south wall of the Celis home, on the top of the electric box and on a gas meter box – all along on the southeast perimeter of the wall leading to the alley ( S. Jefferson and E. Cooper) were found by a first response mobile team member and described as “wolverine” pattern as opposed to standard police issue work boots.
Alicia Sturdevant, the infamous neighbor lady who heard male voices outside Isabel’s window as well as barking dogs at 6:28 AM the morning of her disappearance, gave that account in her first interview adding to her credibility of a fresh witness account. Someone posting from another neighbor’s face book account belonging to a Chris Pike, an adult child sibling to a playmate of the Celis children seems to think Ms. Sturtevant’s account is untrue, but has not specified why.
By approximately 8:30AM the morning of Saturday April 21, Tucson Police Department has been on scene for several minutes, has completed initial interviews with the family, incident command has been established and officers begin the immediate knock and talk canvases in the hopes of finding Isabel, or information useful to locating her.
They begin next door and proceed door to door, upon reaching the home of Michael Dimitriov, who informs the officer that he is a RSO, one officer is requested to wait there for a detective interview, and requests to search the home and cars.
At approximately 8:40 Officer Bustamonte is greeted at the door by Alicia Gregory. She states she and her boyfriend went to bed at midnight but heard nothing unusual. According to the officer’s notes, he only speaks to Alicia, in fact, he spells her boyfriend’s name phonetically as he heard her say it: Nathan McDonell.
Mr. Nathan McDonald is not at the residence.
Officer Robinson is then directed to go to Freedom Park to continue search efforts for Isabel, as her team was playing the baseball game scheduled for that morning in her absence. Upon arrival, it was learned that only Isabel’s coach had been informed that she was missing during an earlier call from Sergio Celis.
As Robinson is circling back to receive further assignments in continuing efforts to find Isa, he is tasked with keeping track of vehicles leaving the immediate neighborhood of 12th and Van Buren and notes a green Jetta GLS parked to the East of Craycroft on E. 14th St. After running it’s plates to learn it is registered to a Nathan Patrick McDonald, resident of E. 12th St ., the officer informs Sgt. Dana, incident commander. A redacted portion of the conversation appears in the report.
This occurs at 10:15AM. Between 10:15 and 10:35, the officer observes McDonald emerge from the South end of the Wilshire Park field, carrying a large maglite. McDonald crosses through the middle of the field and when he reaches his vehicle, the officer approaches and McDonald confirms that the green Jetta is his vehicle. He tells him he had heard about the missing girl and was out searching tunnels and washes to the north and south where he found nothing.
McDonald “abruptly” informs the officer he must leave to go home to EAT BREAKFAST and leaves the area in his vehicle. BASTA informs ALL radio contact assigned of his exchange with the subject and a call to other officers on duty with orders to record all vehicles, including taking images of all vehicles currently parked on E. 12th st .
By 10:45AM all are instructed to stop, log plate and driver info and request consent search every vehicle coming in or out of the area.
Chris Lutzelberger, a resident of S. Essex St who likely observed the exchange between McDonald and the officer, asked him what all the police presence in the neighborhood was about.
Lutzelberger informed Robinson him that a man matching McDonald’s description was sitting on an electrical box located behind his residence earlier that morning from approximately 9AM-9:30Am at which time he told the individual to leave.
By 11AM, as security was requested by another officer at 11:23AM, a wash no more than 50 yards from where McDonald entered the south end of the park yielded a sheet, bed skirt, and a bag of clothes that were processed at the scene and taken into evidence.
A warrant was secured hours later at the McDonald/Gregory home on E. 12th St. Taken into evidence was a shoeprint on landscaping “fabric” from the backyard. Shoeprints were now collected on 3 other surface areas.
Part II publishes Monday June 4
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Hi, Amanda,
You seem angry at what you see as injustice to your friend. Your passion for justice is enviable. A lot of people just don’t care at all, except for themselves. (I’m sure you know some of them, as I do.)
I’ve thought about this before when we’ve examined the lives and lifestyles of people who are named in documents put out by the police or law enforcement. Would I like to be so closely examined and have my personal information published, if I was just a helpful neighbor? No, not really.
But then again, it seems that I am only interested in investigating the people who appear to have a discrepancy in their testimony or behavior.
I’m thinking of a woman who was a close friend of a mother whose child went missing from a school. That woman’s whereabouts couldn’t be verified for a period time during the time the child was missing.
A witness cited a woman with red hair in a car/truck similar to the family’s vehicle, not too far from the scene–so yes, we looked into her background.
A man, possibly matching the description of your friend, was reported by a neighbor in the vicinity of Wiltshire Park where Nathan spoke to the police officer. The police officer reported the word ‘abruptly’ which Nathan also noted in his replies.
It’s not the word, ‘abruptly,’ that we noticed so much as the intuition of the officer that followed.
“Trust what causes alarm, because, when it comes to danger, intuition is always right in at least two important ways: 1) it is always in response to Something and 2) it always has your best interests at heart.” Gavin deBecker, The Gift of Fear (Little Brown, 1997).
There may be nothing to it all or it may be an important piece of the puzzle. But it’s there. We need to address it.
I hope you understand that there is no ill will meant to Nathan, his family, friends, or neighbors. The information was released, we investigated, Nathan and you responded, and that part is over.
Is he still on our horizon? Yes. If he’s not publicly out of the question, he and his behavior are in.
I’m grateful for the people who work to find the missing people in this world, who likely have been harmed or killed. I am grateful for those who work to bring justice–however hollow it may seem at times–to bring some sort of redemption for the Innocents.
I admit that I first felt Mr. McDonalds actions were weird, and I realize I do not have all the facts, and I am still waiting for Blinks Part 2 along with more released Docs from LE
But Mr McDonalds coming here has answered a great many of my concerns-
What have we learned from his posts?
1 He did not just willy nilly get up and take it upon himself to search-
He was awoken by a frantic child searching for his sister.
We do not know what was said- Perhaps the brother asked to search Mr. McDonalds back yard- and Mr. MCdonald said sure -
and we know brother rang door bellS
“My neighbor’s boy woke me up by frantically ringing my doorbell. He was ringing doorbells, desperately looking for his sister.”
2 We found out that Mr. McDonald sat on his porch- talked with his wife and others -perhaps after speaking with his wife and reviewing what was said by the brother- and talking to others- Mr McDonald was concerned enough to jump in the car and search-
3 We learned that others were looking for Isabel
“Others were looking as well, I was not the only person walking around that day looking for Isabel.”
4 We learned there are more than one Wilshire DR and most likely LE isnt referring to North WD-
“there are two Wilshire Drives The report I’ve read states “I responded to the area of Downing Lane and Wilshire Drive” “Officer Tapia and Officer Gradillas advised me to secure potential evidence found in a wash near Downing Lane and Wilshire Drive. The evidence was a bed sheet and a bed skirt. Both officers also found a plastic bag that appears to have contained clothing articles.”
“I see no specification of either East NORTH Wilshire or East SOUTH Wilshire, and no mention of Essex. ”
5 We learned that he did look in the tunnels but not specifically which tunnels
” The tunnels are not under the mall, a mile from my house. I don’t know what tunnels to which you refer. But not the ones I walked through.”
6 We learned there MAY have been more than one person in the wash
“Has it even remotely occurred to you that I encountered other people in that wash, and that they are not in any release, and there may be a reason for that, and I don’t want to mention it because I think that might be important?”
7 We learned that the statment of “He found nothing” is wrong- we dont know what he found if he found the bag of clothes or bedding or something else entirely =but he did report to LE
“the report of “where he found nothing” is incomplete. I found several things that I reported law enforcement immediately, including Officer Robinson.”
“Mind you, I am not making any comments about what I did or did not see in the wash, and what I know about the bedding, if I in fact know anything at all.”
8 We know a warrant was served but we dont know why- or when but it would seem from his comments the reasons are not damaging to Mr. M
“I know exactly why the police got a search warrant for my house. They didn’t release that information. I’m not going to be the one to do it. Maybe it’s important for other reasons, I just don’t know.”
and
” Are you sure the search warrant was issued at the same time as the Celis warrant? My house is an addendum on the Celis family warrant, so it will show that it was issued when that warrant was, but that is not necessarily correct.”
9
We learned Mr. McDonald was out searching for about 2 hrs when he talked to LEO Robinson and we learned he spoke and gave the same info to more than one officer
“I’d been out for probably 2 hours at that point. Officer Robinson did not approach me. I saw him, approached (he was not the only law enforcement I encountered that morning). I gave him the same report I’d given others, then I told him I was going to have breakfast. I was hungry and tired.”
11 We learned Mr McDonald does not want anyone to speculate whether or not he was the man on the box
“No positive identification is made of me sitting on some box.”
“I didn’t deny or confirm that the man on the box was me or wasn’t me.”
10
We learned Mr McDonald wants to clear up the misconceptions of him brought about by the discussion of the info in the docs-but he is afraid his attempts to do this might hurt the investigation despite TPD never asking him to not talk about it- “TPD has not asked me to not share.”
” I don’t want to compromise the investigation at all.”
“I cannot sleep at night thinking that by protecting myself and compromising the investigation, I’ve compromised the safety of a child.”
“I don’t want to talk about any of this. I am only here to protect my name against a person who is posting incorrect statements about me.”
“I am not trying to control information. I am trying to stop disinformation.”
12 We learned Mr McDonald is confident LE knows more than is contained in the docs
“The police know infinitely more about Isabel, the Celis family and whatever happened than you or I, because neither of us were involved and neither of us are in the investigation.”
“…while 550 documents have been released (of which nearly half look like cover letters), there are very like tens of thousands of documents that are unreleased.”
“Some police reports are either slightly inaccurate, or vague.”
Cont
AJMO
Mom 3.0, just a caution. Mr. McDonald’s account has not been verified. I do not know if it is partially acurrate, false, verbatim, or other. He may be absolutely presenting ( portions) of how he perceives the incidents he refers to occurred.
I know a guy that was 40 yards of a decomposing toddler who also called LE 3x to tell them, and his home was never searched. Jus sayin’
B
I am wondering about the reason Nathan was, if he was, sitting for such a long time outdoors, on such a hot morning. Whoever sat there will have left finger/palm prints and dna, so it can likely be verified. There may even be videotape from that time frame and place.
Perhaps the person sitting there didn’t want to go home for some reason: was deep in thought about an issue or problem, was disoriented and didn’t know his way home–possible heatstroke, was trying to check out the movements of people in the area that morning to return to do a crime, was checking pedometer and entering notes into his online diet and exercise plan, was daydreaming about becoming an electrician with steady workflow, or some other scenario?
I won’t detain anyone from scrolling and rolling. There are many reasons a person could be sitting for a half hour in the oppressive heat.
It seems reasonable that someone could say ‘yes, I was there, because I was looking everywhere and I had walked miles and I was resting and trying to figure out the where and how and why of a little child (Isabel Celis) gone missing.’
Not so hard, really. But that’s just my opinion, Amanda. I hope you’ll stay involved with our work to find Missing Persons, especially sweet Isabel.
FloridaGirl, I think you may be right. After I posted my comment, I thought that may be a strategy for LE, to wait until the person hangs themselves by doing something or saying something and then LE can get them.
Someone on Statement Analysis brought up a good point. Vita stated (paraphrasing) that maybe the parents had help with moving Isabel and they might not know where she was placed so they can say truthfully that they don’t know where she is. Vita said maybe LE, when they said in their latest statement that maybe the persons conscience will make them come forward. Maybe this person helped the Celis’s and LE is hoping they will finally come forward with this information. Anyway, I thought Vita was probably onto something for sure. Makes sense to me. Also, Becky can say that she is helping find Isa by making flyers. How many flyers need to be put out there? Just like the Anthony’s in my opinion.
Blink, I wasn’t sure if I needed to post Vita’s comment. I don’t understand how to so I paraphrased. Hope that’s okay.
Whoa. Respectfully Susie, you went from criticizing speculation to providing it.
In general, you must post the source link of anything you reference if it is protected by copyright, I appreciate you asking about it, I will never slight someone for not knowing the protocol.
B
^^^sry, I was a little confused about which post I was on!^^^^^
Arica,
Try going back through the older comments for a few pages, or just refresh the page. Sometimes they are slow to load if Blink has them open on her end.
Also, there may be newer comments in moderation, which Blink is responding to, as time is available, along with all the other cases on the left hand side which are getting comments, too.
Sometimes a post is held up while B is confirming identity, or information, or for our own protection. (ty B.)
My recommendation is to start from the beginning of the comments and read, read, read! Welcome to BOC!
TY
B
Off TOPIC
Hello and welcome
Arica
You need to hit older comments- only the newest page will show comments on each page start with # 1-
Your comment is 34 on the newest comment page but not 34 of total comments
once you hit older comments- look at the top of the page in the scroll bar it will read
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/05/29/isabel-celis-abduction-breaking-news-docs-show-blood-in-bedroom-police-eye-family-and-neighbor/comment-page-4/
or page 3- if you change the page # shown to -1 and click the arrow key at the end of the window you will go back to the very first comments on this article:
like this below click link to go to page one
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/05/29/isabel-celis-abduction-breaking-news-docs-show-blood-in-bedroom-police-eye-family-and-neighbor/comment-page-1/#comments
Hope that helps and welcome Arica
AJMO
TY Mom3.0
B
I’m chiming in with other posters here about this beating-up on Blink. This is directed specifically to Mr. McDonald and Amanda. Blink has graciously allowed your blog-hogging on her private blog only to be subjected to continuous insults. Enough already. Neither of you has anything of substance to say. Mr. McDonald (or the faux Mr. McDonald) is playing mind games with his “I’m not revealing any details, stop talking about me, I am innocent, but I’m going to give you details anyway.”
You crave attention. I will scroll on through any future comments.
Blink, if I’m out of line here, let me know. I eagerly await your next installment.
Prayers for little Isa.
“I have never assured you it was in there and you know it. Not once. I understand that you are welcome at any time to consider me a complete magic 8 ball with legs.”
And right here lies the issue. I have no problem with you having an opinion or even blogging about it. I do, however, take umbrage when you are passing yourself off as a journalist reporting the news. That comment has no place in a news release as it is nothing more than speculation.
This is your issue, I do not know why you do not understand the difference, but it is your perogative.
That is the point, you don’t find me newsworthy. check. I do suggest to you that does fly in the face of the pied piper of the blogosphere theory. What you are really saying is that bloggers ( that is the plural term for everyone on here) are sheep and I am the shephard.
Dear Flock: Let’s have a Blinkex or Blype (webex and skype for blinkers) this afternoon at 3. No need to change out of your bathrobes or put down your vaccum cleaners. Switch them off and just turn down the soaps, then let’s have our virtual water cooler kibbitz.
That is hilarious considering I would say most bloggers on here may be smarter than, absolutely more articulate and definitely less tolerant than I. ( That’s ok y’all I have known that forever. My Poppa told me funnier was better than smart when I was a tot, but I keep it. Me and my BFF Stuart Smalley.
If only the word snark was around then, sigh.)
“Your comment gets posted in the order it was received, regardless of moderation, and this is a very busy site with multiple cases being covered at once, and as much as I would like to spend my days catering to angry and rude rants thinly disguised as angry and rude, I am well within my rights to moderate as I see fit.”
I apologise for the misunderstanding, but you can understand my confusion when 32 comments get approved while mine stays in moderation. That was, of course, until I write to complain, then suddenly both comments are released within an hour. (blink whispers, passive agressive is not really an apology people, don’t fall for it)
Your comments were released when they were because I needed to respond, and did so, when I was able. It is commonly known on my site that comments requiring my input may not be moderated as timely as I would like. In fact, I would say that other topics that are very important to me are not getting my proper attention because you wish to banter over the same issues I have already addressed, so let me be clear, we agree to disagree, or just disagree, but either way, I am done with you. I have never been much for the hamster wheel- sorry.
“As you, are well within your rights to answer any of the other 4 paragraphs I brought up.”
Your other 4 paragraphs carry very little in the way of meaningful content so I don’t have much to say to them beyond:
1. I’ve never met Mr. McDonald in my life.
2. I find it quite interesting how quickly you went on the attack and felt compelled to defend yourself when I simply called into question your journalistic integrity. Imagine how angry and upset you might have got if I’d insinuated that you were involved in the disappearance of your 6 year old neighbour?
3. All mention of Mr. McDonald on other sites appears to stem from the content in your article. I choose to target the root of the problem and not bother with the periphery.
(blink makes buzzer sound like jeopardy with a wrong answer. This is research 101. I will assist, as you seem to be challenged in this area and want simply to be right. This is your assignment Amanda:
1. What date were the PDF documents which this article and hundreds of others are based, released?
2. What are the dates of the earliest discussions or Mr. McDonald in reference to same, and on what forums PRIOR to my article’s post which was the evening of Tuesday 5/29.
3. How many of those forums have you contacted, as I can tell you from reading them, but since you wish to be factual Frannie, get to work.
4. May I ask why you post under a pseudonym? If you are so sure of the unequivocal nature of your content, why do you hide behind a false name? Really? Refer to the research savant comment.
Lol, “carry little in the way of meaningful content”.. Hey kettle, your metal
Your interpretations are bias. Dont you get that? I made no insinuations, in fact, I allowed Mr. McDonald to clear up any he thought existed. You saw how that went, but as I have said at least thrice, TPD believed Mr. McDonald behavior activity, witness account and property worthy of immediate investigation as he has absolutely stated himself. Tell me again how any of us should ignore that- because that is all this is about, but in part 2, I do expect to incorporate some updates that deserve further scrutiny.
For someone so eager to charge the castle with your portable inferno, you should probably hit a hot spot or 2 on your way up, it is clear you are no research savant.
No offense.
ost I see that you too saw truth in the statement Blink made within the body of her article regarding Mr. McDonald’s resemblance to the man on Mr. Lutzelberger’s electrical box. There is no mention of such a resemblance in the police report, and yet Blink’s reported it as fact, which is the very heart of my issue with her tactics.
Asked, answered. Saw truth? What does that even mean? Sheep? Anyone? BAAAA.
Amanda-
Amanda, me in bold- As this is like, the eleventyeth go around on the same issues, perhaps you and I could just write each other a Hiku call it a day?
B
LizzyGoat – although I realize we still dont have all the facts and we dont truly know if Mr. McDonald is cleared he has said repeatedly that LE apologized and moved on- and this was done quickly -he also stated they thanked him for his cooperation and despite everything he would react the same way
“My neighbor’s boy woke me up by frantically ringing my doorbell. He was ringing doorbells, desperately looking for his sister. After conversations that are frankly none of any of your businesses, I decided to leave my house and search the wash that runs through our neighborhood. This decision ultimately brought the SWAT team to my front door, and has now caused this website to draw wild speculations about me. Some police reports are either slightly inaccurate, or vague.
If you people think I was not run through the ringer by the police, you’re fools. And it ended with an apology from them. Thank you all for extending the worst night of my life.
Ultimately, a little girl is missing, and when I first heard that news from my neighbor, on my doorstep, I left my house to find her. While that decision has caused me tremendous stress, it was the right decision and knowing what I know now, I would make it again. I have nothing to defend nor any explanations owed to any of you. ”
Lizzygoat you are posting wrong info regarding what Mr. McDonald has shared- please read my early post he did say he looked and others did and he did say he searched the tunnels etc.
I get that many are still leery of him and his actions- but frankly I think you are being too harsh in your criticisms-
We all agree going to look for a missing child is the right thing to do- but with the release of the docs MM actions seemed strange because we dont have all the info-
Do I think Mr McDonald is mad because of Blinks article …probably and he is mad because of the link to his FB page and the release of incomplete info in the docs but he seems now to be just a guy who tried to help you know and is desperate to “get out from under” the scrutiny can we blame him?
AJMO
Peace
I absolutely agree with you mostly Mom3.0, but if I were looking to get out of scrutiny, as you are well aware I am subject to chronically, the last thing I would do is behave in this manner-
That said, because I realize the weight of my opinion here, I am commenting accordingly. Subject to change.
B
Mr McDonald you wrote:
“It’s to bad that the publisher of this website, having found my Facebook and posted it (classy, very classy) didn’t simply ask me questions via Facebook. I would have possibly been receptive to answering questions. But seeing now the presentation and the nearly libelous accusations made in my direction, I don’t think so.”
Pardon me sir, but which is it? Are you not sharing info that would clear you of any and all doubt because it would possibly endanger the investigation or is it to spite Blink for not contacting you via FB to ask questions?
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Again Mr McDonald we all want Isabel home and we all want the correct info that may help to bring hr home you want the facts printed and disinformation and speculation to stop- so do we.
Perhaps you can see fit to work with Blink and come up with a viable solution other than to expunge this article and all comments- help her to fix the info-
AJMO
Peace
Thank you all for answering my question about the *wash areas*.
In response to Susie’s question, I think there are a lot of guilty people running free in this country. Until there is enough to arrest that person though, they can’t be held against their will. I don’t think that if police are supsect of someone that they wouldn’t be keeping a close eye on him or her and/or building their case.
Arica says:
June 4, 2012 at 11:18 am
Hi, I am new here, and I must not be doing something right. On this post, it says there are 183 comments, which I’d like to read. However, I can only access 50-something of them, even if I hit “newer comments”. Can anyone help?
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Hit ‘older’ comments till you get to the beginning.
With all due respect mom3.0 if I posted something wrong blink would have caught it. I only used nm’s quotes. One of the earlier quotes was not posted yet. This does not change that his story has gaps and his words change
The moderating issue is my bad. Won’t be an issue by next week, I apologize. I would simply ask that we all consider that until then, as Lizzygoat respectfully did.
B
“Oye NY Liz, I hope to, after being out of the house since 5:15am, I returned an hour ago to find my office out of cable access and a modem issue based on our storms. My schedule tomorrow is worse, 6 hours of travel for Blinkette’s state semi finals. I think it may have to be Wednesday afternoon.
What can I say, my best/worst week scheduling wise is nothing compared to this baby’s need to be found.
My thoughts and prayers are with Isa.
B”
I obviously don’t envy your schedule:) Look forward to reading part 2. Until then, I’ll be hoping for poor Isa to be found.
TY Kindly. For this week, I endure with love and gratitude. I hope all of us do respectively.
B
Amanda you say you do not know Mr. McDonald so I have to wonder why you are so passionate about him? He at least states he was concerned enough to go out and look for Isabel while you feel the more important thing to look at is Mr. McDonald. Mr. McDonald is not a victim only a witness at this point. Why do you continue to want to direct the discussion to Mr. McDonald instead of Isabel.
I assure you Mr. McDonald was mention earlier on other sites in that he is a neighbor to Isabel and that kind of information is easly found.
You said: All mention of Mr. McDonald on other sites appears to stem from the content in your article. I choose to target the root of the problem and not bother with the periphery.
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The truth is that the mentions on the other sites as of this weekend were due to Mr. McDonald’s posting here….not Blinks article.
Brick wall, meet head. Seeing as you’ve admitted you’re nothing but a blogger and not the investigative journalist you previously claimed to be, I guess we can call it a day. Just try to ensure your audience understand that before you try to pass of opinion and speculation as facts when writing your blog posts in the future perhaps? I suggest that if at any time you want to be considered a real journalist, you should probably brush up on the cannons of journalism and the importance of accuracy and factual reporting. Until then enjoy defaming people’s character in your little blog and I shall leave you to your wild speculations and grandiose self-congratulation (boy, you really showed me!). I rest easy knowing that the police are smart enough to not let the little knitting circle you have going here harm their efforts bring this little girl home to her poor family.
P.S. Saw is the past participle of see. It’s proper English, so I can see how it might be lost on you.
ROTFL, yes proper English and I are only mildy acquainted, but if you would not mind, could you be so kind as to post your body of work and credentials, or your business address, so that I might show up tomorrow and vomit my uncorked disdain for all that is bothering me? Insert proper euphemisms here.
Certainly since you are so willing to be cavalier about my profession, you would not mind the same.
I am sorry, where is that admission? Link? Quote? Again, Miss Facty Fran is devoid of Facty Facts.
Btw, I am way better at insulting myself than you could ever aspire to be, not to overstate the obvious.
Did you actually proofread your own posts, er, no- spelling, sentence structure, all effed, but hey, that is the difference between us- I am focused on one thing- Isa Celis, you are focused on a severe need to be right and make others wrong. How is that assignment coming?
Yep, I thought so. Back to cutting the grass for you.
Don’t forget Amanda, we have a date with the release of more information, and as this case progresses.
Let’s get one thing straight Mandy- you did not choose to post here because you think I am a harmless knitting circle ninny with poor grammar. What would that make you?
A Ninny Bully? I think not.
You posted here because you have an agenda.
Did you wish to tell the group, excuse me, I mean “the circle”? LOL Or should I?
B
@ode: I don’t like to see injustice and people slandered for no good reason. This is not the first time I have come to the defence of someone I see being railroaded, and I imagine it won’t be the last. The character assassination I saw in the comments section that was instigated by inaccurate “reporting” in the body of the blog post bothered me, so I came to Mr. McDonald’s defence. I’m afraid I beg to differ with you on when Mr. McDonald was first mentioned on other sites. This link clearly shows that on the 29th of May at 8.48pm speculation started flying about him and was as a direct result of the misinformation Blink put forth in her post.
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1533303&postcount=1030
As I said in my last post, I got the admission I was after so I am done here. Please understand that while I may have championed Mr. McDonald in my posts here, my primary concern and sincerest hope is that the police find Isabel and are able to bring her safely home to her family.
You did no such thing Amanda. What admission, lol? Admission to How To “google 101″ definitely.
You are done here because tens of thousands of readers and not one of them has sided with you, or come to your aid, or supported your position. Not a link, not a corroborating article.. Zilch. Not even you brought a single link to support your own posts. You don’t like to see “injustice”- how does that apply here? I have to say, if I am feeling “unjust” about anything at the moment, it is that a 6 year old baby has been taken from her family, and imo, has very little chance of being alive.
Your goal was to be the Clark bar in the pool. Everyone’s still in doing laps, so there ya go.
Do you really think people are that naive?
At no time, whatsoever, was Isa Celis even mentioned in one of your comments, so I find your “primary concern” statement meritless, and that is being kind.
Stop hoodwinking, start advocating, and do your diligence. You are the factually deficient here, were exposed as such, and here you go- dated 5/25.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173546
B
FloridaGirl says:
June 4, 2012 at 11:30 am
A grown person so consumed and worried about HIMSELF and what other people think. Now that is a SELFISH person..
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@FloridaGirl – No offense and please don’t take this as anything other that a simple difference in opinion, but I think it’s quite natural for anyone to be worried about what others think of them when it’s regarding something of this magnitude. I, too, would be a mess if the police had investigated me in a missing child case. I hate to think of an innocent person being persecuted if he truly was only trying to help. That said, I also agree with Blink and others – that he’s not really helping matters by talking in circles and being so defensive.
@Word Girl – I really liked your post to Amanda. The tone was compassionate and diplomatic, yet also came across as informative and objective. Very professional!
Blink, you are right.
Okay, now everyone leave Blink alone so she can get part 2 out. ;O) Just kidding, friends. Blink, we all think you are a fantastic journalist (yes, journalist) and every new case brings new people who either learn the rules or angrily move on. I’ve been here since little Caylee Anthony went missing and I’ve not found another site as good in terms of moderation, information, and comraderie. Cheers, Blinkers! Prayers for Isa.
Phew, pant, pant.
Not jumping sharks today, lol, good thing. Pant, gasp, pant.
TY friend
B
Why has no one doscussed the writing in Isa’s closet walls further? I happen to know the visit of the family members seperately with the police was to take them one at a time, determine if they recognized the writing as Isa’s, and could explain what she meant by the statement. The words “my dad is bad bad bad” were written and after the visits that day, the wallboard with the writing was cut out, wrapped up and taken with the police that day. It was then that the children’s custody was completely removed and refused to the father.
Because although I have received the same information you are referring to, it has not been verified, and has not been verified to be Isabel’s to date.
B
Hello LizzyGoat-
you wrote and Blink responded:
Lizzygoat says:
June 4, 2012 at 4:22 pm
With all due respect mom3.0 if I posted something wrong blink would have caught it. I only used nm’s quotes. One of the earlier quotes was not posted yet. This does not change that his story has gaps and his words change
The moderating issue is my bad. Won’t be an issue by next week, I apologize. I would simply ask that we all consider that until then, as Lizzygoat respectfully did.
B
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Believe me I know
I am not the official BOC hall monitor nor would I want to be- I only wanted to helpfully point out- for the sake of correcting disinformation- that your posts had some info wrong- I was not trying to be a witch about it- I get stuff wrong all the time- and youre right, Blink does try to correct us when we make mistakes -but some of the mistakes squeak thru- and you are correct some of Mr. McDonalds early posts had not posted yet- I wasnt trying to accuse you of posting misinformation with malice.
Sometimes we just make an innocent mistake or we forget info-
like I am sure you did because in your earlier post on june 3rd you actually did quote MNM and his quote was:
snipped and ** by me:
lizzygoat says:
June 3, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Nathan McDonald says:
“Alicia and I sat on our front porch in disbelief after the Celis boy left. Then we had conversations with other people. Then I went in the house and looked around my backyard. Then I looked at Alicia and she looked at me and I thought,* I should go look for her.* Alicia agreed. Others were looking as well, I was not the only person walking around that day looking for Isabel.”
but then you wrote;
and from June 4th
lizzygoat says:
June 4, 2012 at 9:47 am
Nathan McDonald posted”
“I woke up and left my house. I walked a good amount. I was wearing a tank top for most of it and ended up with a sunburn. I was hot, I hadn’t eaten anything, I had no water, and I’d been out for probably 2 hours at that point. Officer Robinson did not approach me. I saw him, approached (he was not the only law enforcement I encountered that morning). I gave him the same report I’d given others, then I told him I was going to have breakfast. I was hungry and tired.
I can see how a man who just walked several miles in the heat on an empty stomach needing breakfast can seem super suspicious. I hope this puts some of that to rest.”
He had told us he WALKED…he has not told us he SEARCHED or LOOKED for Isabel.
— So you see even though he didnt state he looked for Isa in this snippet he did say it more than once and you had quoted him earlier….
and as for the tunnel mention
here it is:
Nathan McDonald says:
June 2, 2012 at 10:47 pm
snipped-
I don’t want to set the record straight. I want to stop it from being set crooked…..
2. The tunnels are not under the mall, a mile from my house. I don’t know what tunnels to which you refer. But not the ones I walked through.
Now Lizzygoat, JFTR, this post by Mr. McDonald had posted before you made your comments- I know this because I was busy making notes on most everything he said- Blinks moderations post in blocks and this one with “tunnels” posted with the last new post being Blinks answer to Susie IRT encouragement:
Blink says:
June 3, 2012 at 12:32 pm
@Susie
I have no problem with that, in fact I encourage it.
So you see it probably was a case of you just missing the posts it happens to me all the time. Mistakes I make a million for instance I was speculating on why MNM may have went to search his BYard after the brother left —but it came out in my post as if the brother and MNM searched the yard together…argg- so easy to write things that can be misinterpreted
So no worries LizzyGoat-
Thanks for your respectful response- & I hope my thoughts are now more easily interpreted-
AJMO
Thanks Blink ALL good Points and I will be very mindful of each because you are right we just cant know if McDonalds thoughts are facts or interpretations etc-
Kronks house wasnt searched, but the snakes house was and the snale… Also none of the Anthonys ever made a visit so could it be MNM house was searched because of a celis visit then or in the past? IDK Pure speculation-
Feel free to totally disregard
Just trying to get it all straight.
Peace
Speaking of snakes, there was one rotting on 17th St in this case, a rattler.
Anyone wish to add to that?
B
AJMO
My mother always told me, god bless her soul, that at times it is mose important what is not said than what is said. My opinion of all of the back and forth going’s on today and yesterday. Blink, you are a real trooper, keep on keepin’ on. You are a wonderful advocate for the missing.
May Isabel be found soon, and her abductor brought to swift justice.
TY
B
I would like to take a vote to excuse these people who are He** bent on not responding to ONE single question other posters, who besides Blink they have responded to.
I know me personally have asked NM 2-3 different questions, and of he course ignored,( and there are others who’ve done the same to NO avail) Amanda seems to be following suit and I feel they have taken away enough valuable time , caused a bullying distraction and offered absolutely NO input on finding little precious Isa.
Not meaning to sound rude, but the topic is advocating and doing anything possible to find Isa, These peeps have contributed NOT one detail to aide in that. By doing so, they are taking the focus away from where it should be and desplaying selfish narcissic behavior. None of which is postive of helpful here.
Thus the agenda Kimberly. I appreciate you calling it out.
B
Just sitting on the sidelines reading away. My prayers for Isa. Blink, thank you for all your hard work and patience.
Thank you Kindly-
If I pissed anyone off- this will surely:
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/06/statement-analysis-nathan-mcdonald-and.html
2 articles which are a direct copyright infringement of my work, and posts, and should send Amanda/ Mr. McDonald through the roof. In this case, fairly. Inappropriate, plagiarism, copyright infringement and literary theft in 2 articles with no attrition, and absolutely out of context.
Seriously my head is going to explode today, lol.
B
Mom 3.0 (doesn’t Blink sometimes call you Switzerland?)
I should have pointed out that I was analyzing N.M.’s specific statements. I took Mark McClishes course but haven’t really analyzed anything in almost a year. My point is that in the accounts he gave he has not told us he left his house planning to search the tunnels therefore taking a flashlight instead of water on his search. He mentions the tunnels I believe only to respond to Blink. In his statements of his morning timeline he does not mention tunnels. Either the tunnels were not a priority in his statements or he was avoiding them.
Another thing that bothers me is this statement but I’m not good enough to analyze it. Maybe others have ideas.
Nathan McDonald says
“…I knew (past tense) right then and there that this would be something I’d never get out from under until they found that(distance) little girl. Not from the police, they are (present tense) easy to get out from under because I did nothing wrong and they proved it quickly” (How did they “prove” it? Does he perceive an apology to be proof? People who work with the public apologize for many reason not necessarily because they were wrong or made a mistake. Many times its a pacifier. How long it took for the police to officially say Terri Horman was a person of interest.
I’m not saying he is a person of interest I agree with Peter Hyatt’s alternative theory that he could be an attention seeker. Cherry picking issues…seriously did the doorbell ring “frantically” ONCE or “repeatedly”.
BTW Peter Hyatt has some analysis up and also believes his statements to be questionable. He suggests the police polygraph him.
Just a minor issue on the topic, Mr.Hyatt has never requested nor sought my permission to post any of my copyrighted work, all of which, including posts, are owned by me. Upsetting.
B
Blink, I know you’re probably exhausted after today but do you think you could still give us part 2 tonight if we promise to behave?
P.S. How did you know I needed to put down my vacuum cleaner? Lol
No chance, Wed at the earliest, but thanks for behaving.
B
Blink , I wanted to give you a big thank you for this site. I am a full time caregiver to my son with cerebral palsy and this site gives me a chance to get a mental break and try to help to bring Isabel home even though I can’t physically be there. I am home bound a lot with him.
Oops its probably better to make that last message private if you can. Thnx.
“Speaking of snakes, there was one rotting on 17th St in this case, a rattler.
Anyone wish to add to that?
B”
You mean EAST 17th?
Correct.
B
One more thing. He is my angel and I cannot believe what happens with these children. There. Are plenty of people who would give anything to have a child.
That’s funny Blink I thought maybe you had sent them to Peter to analyze….or to send Amanda/Nathan over the edge…
Don’t do the exploding head trick until you post part 2!!!
On a serious note get some rest…
Blink,
I wanted you to know that Mr. Hyatt did attribute your work to you.
It was written before the article you reference. I read it this morning.
I do not know how to link it here for you. He seems to be a fan of yours.
Thank you for all of your hard work. Congrat’s to blinkett. I love soccer!!!!!
Unfortunately, he did not. Attrition is defined as a hyperlink, available to the piece, or a working URL, and involves fair use snippets, clearly defined by DCMA. Mr. Hyatt needed my permission to post what he did, outside of those, period, among other things. There is no other position to take in one’s work, as I can assure you, Mr. Hyatt would not appreciate me posting his work as mine.
Professional courtesy and copyright acknowledgement are required, period.
I appreciate the comment, and intend to move on and let the “staff” do what they do.
Many thanks.
B
Made me well up. My thanks and blessings to you Lyn.
B
Mom3.0
Your speculation about there being two parts of Wilshire Drive is right on the mark. This is a loop street with two different names.
Google Earth will show this and if you get down to street view,the actual street addresses will be given. Before you go to street view, get down to about 1500 ft. eye view and notice the three dark colored stripes across the roadway at the culverts. This is caused by a different density of soil around the culvert edges. This is some of the things that one can discover if you know what to look for.
Blink
Your question about the pink T-top. That stood out to me at the time I read it. However, to be certain I will go back and re-read to confirm.
Anyway, this guy says he walked the tunnels. My question now is where? All of those across the streets South of 14th are too small to walk. Did he just walk across the roadway and shine a light into the open end? That is pretty poor technique to me. I have a three cell maglight, but it does not put out enough light to fully light a three to four foot culvert. There are two culvert sections parallel under each of the street crossings.
The Tunnels/culverts NW of the park beginning at Craycroft may be large enough to actually walk. The NW direction of the underground portion of the Wash/drain passes between the two multi-story buildings on the West side of Craycroft. The parking area is actually over the storm drain. About a mile North of Broadway it becomes an open wash/drain.
Wow Blink, I just read your reply to Jane. Some people don’t care about intellectual property and they know nothing of copyright. They did not think they would be caught. Take three deep breaths and go hug your children.
Yup. I need a break. When hostility and negative energy want to rule the day, sometimes you have to let it play out like a candle burning out. By the grace of God, I am not in the position of most that I cover, as is true of many here. Continuing to pay it forward is our burden, imo.
B
Ouch! I just read the comments on Peter’s blog I’m sorry. Its one of the reasons I stopped reading his blog for a long time. I appreciate the extra time you have to spend monitoring comments….and I know it is a lot of extra time.
I was unaware of comments being under copyright and posted one of Nathans comments on Peter’s blog since I am out of practice. (I did include a link!) Someone else had already sent him all of the comments at the time as he stated he was unsure if they were in order.
Peter is not up on the technical side of blogging you were right to call him out on it.
Have a good night!
No appolly lizzygoat, not your burden, and I appreciate you.
B
Kris says:
June 4, 2012 at 1:48 am
Me too. I’m also curious why he checked his back yard. In this neighborhood, aren’t most of the back yards enclosed? How would Isabel have gotten in there? Seems like an odd place to check. Perhaps he had his reasons. As he’s stated, we don’t have all the facts.
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I would guess that anyone would look in their own yard, backyard, shed, garage, etc if a child is missing. Kids do things that surprise their parents, like hide or run off. So checking every single yard in the area would need to be done. When my neighbor boy was missing due to him running off, I had my kids check our shed because I knew he might hide there or any other spot.
Now why Mr. Mc did that, I don’t know. All JMO
Why the tunnel?
B
lizzygoat says:
June 4, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Ouch! I just read the comments on Peter’s blog I’m sorry. Its one of the reasons I stopped reading his blog for a long time. I appreciate the extra time you have to spend monitoring comments….and I know it is a lot of extra time.
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Sadly, I just read those comments. Blink, I admire your courage. The attacks here on your site and by commenters on Peter Hyatt’s blog were brutal. It’s time to end this unpleasantness. Mr. McDonald (or the faux Mr. McDonald?) and Amanda, his faithful admirer, have disrupted and hijacked this blog for purely selfish reasons.
I agree with lizzygoat. Thank you for the time you spend moderating and ensuring the integrity of BOC. I was attracted to read and post here for those reasons. You CARE about missing, vulnerable children. A
A blog allowing unmoderated, anonymous postings is a magnet for trolls and bullies. A moderator who allows anonymous postings is inviting this behavior. Trolls and/or garden variety anonymous, bully posters can cause total disruption of a board. Thank you for insisting on a high standard here. It is greatly appreciated.
Hugs for the emotional beating-up.
Prayers for little Isa.
To an extent, I had to decide a few years back during a case that will likely result in it’s final prosecution this year, that moonbats will find a place to hang upside down and poop all over each other in the dark, all the while spewing lies, hate and whatever toxic fumes come out of those caves.
They thrive on it, and contributing something positive is not within their reach as they were born moonbats so I don’t blame them for functioning in their limited environments.
I would just recommend staying out of the caves lest it sticks to ya, lol.
Thank you and let’s stay focused all
B
Just want to say something here. The only reason I read and post on BOC, is because the other websites I had been posting on before were so full of BS and horrid hatred and rumors, I couldn’t stand it anymore. Kyron’s Horman’s case, in particular seemed to bring out more hatred and venom (allowed freely on most sites) than I had ever witnessed in my close-to-retirement life. When I first started following Kyron’s case, I couldn’t believe how much hatred seemed to be just spilling forth. An unstoppable stream of hate. It seemed like a Pandora’s Box had been opened up in the name of an innocent child. I cried. I cried for Kyron, and the possibility he was alive and was witnessing all this hatred spewing forth in his name.
Though Blink’s format is very hard to get used to and not very easy to navigate. it was well worth coming here, for one reason only……just the facts mam.
We all have our instincts about cases, intuition, fears, but this so far, has been the only public forum I’ve found where people actually try to use facts to come up with theories. Some come here because they just like to solve puzzles, some come here because they are interested in the legal processes involved with criminal acts, some even come because they care about human rights and insuring that the innocent remain that way until proven otherwise, but I would venture to say that most of us come here because we care about victims, particularly children.
I truly respect Blink for doing the best I’ve seen (in my admittedly short involvement in this sort of thing) for doing a tremendous job of trying to get all posters to stick to the facts. For this I thank you, Blink, from the bottom of my heart. Prayers for Kyron on this June 4, 2012.
Ty kindly. I agree whole heartedly that it is not the most navigational friendly format, and in heavy times, posts sit because I am such a stickler. I made these commitments to y’all, and if at any such time I could not maintain those I would be done with this work before I would ever subject anyone to reading such bitter nonsense.
I am here because I believe in this work, for various motivations you mentioned, but above all, to progress cases that need it, and to inspire advocacy for victims and their families.
I never lose sight of the fact that all of you read and contribute precious moments of your day, insight, personal and professional support for the reasons that you do and I can tell you that I am grateful, and the families I have worked with personally or that I am aware of could never tell you how much it means to them.
B
I hit my submit to soon. Prayers for Isabel as well, as all other missing children. When will this stop…….??
#40 – Has LE searched this “tunnel” as discussed? Do children play in these “tunnels”? I would think that they dangerous – dark, subject to flooding and who know what else lurks in them?
He did not specify which tunnel, will address in part 2.
B
Blink, I have stopped viewing your website, as the emotional toll of reading my name repeatedly called into question is extreme.
I will simply point out, from the skimming that I read :
Blink : Mom 3.0, just a caution. Mr. McDonald’s account has not been verified.
Yes, it has, by the actual investigators who are diligently working to find Isabel. You don’t know that because you only have your hands on a small amount of documents. Un-verified by the public, with little information to go on, does not even remotely compare to verified by investigators who have a mountain of information that you do not.
Respond however you’d like, I won’t be returning to your site. I asked you to simply remove untrue or speculative things about me and wait for the entire information to come in. Instead you’ve allowed this to snowball.
1. You have no idea what information I have, period.
2. How could you possibly know what investigators have outside of your own involvement, which may or may not include things they shared with you, about you, or other aspects of this case. At no time, has any investigator spoken publicly about this case, and you would certainly be within your right to quote one, and I will verify what it is you wish with them directly. I will tell you I have tried to just that with no response to date.
3. You did not ask me to remove “untrue things” you asked me after you came here on your own, gave information, and when it was clear you were not interested in addressing the clear and obvious subsequent questions reasonable people had, you asked me to delete every mention of you throughout my site like this is some sort of virtual chalkboard for your amusement until you do not like the responses.
As you have heard from post after post, the only person that brought your statements into question, and again I add “question” and not allegation- was you.
I have been at this a while, and I can tell you that your response in this matter under the guise of coming hear to “correct misinformation” is nothing short of bizarre.
That said, you could be a perfectly lovely but “bizarre” dude. I don’t know. I stand by my piece, and I stand by every comment I have made, including the one where I have allowed you cart blanche to correct what you feel is erroneous with information I am able to verify.
There is a missing 6 year old Mr. McDonald, if you want to cry poor me for a situation you created all the way around, I am going to say tough darts. Isabel Celis is the priority.
It strikes me odd that if you were willing to search tunnels and walk miles in the blazing heat and change shirts, you might be interested in progressing her case a tad.
B
Maybe he was checking his swimming pool. I noticed on the map about everyone had a pool, not celiss.
For anyone not sure just what Madame Blink, head of OUR knitting group,can do/has done, I invite you to click on Christine Sheddy and leave a comment for Lynn Dodenhoff! I hope by now you have blocked Amanda and Mr. McD cause some of us are tired of their wasted complaining! Neither answered a single question, stated what they have really done to find Isa, etc.! Very tired of them taking up your time responding to the ugliness! It takes too much energy to be evil! Someone tell me what spelling has to do with the importance of finding missing children?
Super congratulations to all Blinkette’s success in her sports!
To Susie, God Bless you and your Angel! I am a caregiver to the elderly and love my patients so much that when the end is near I move in and stay to be by their side while they leave this earth. I just lost my dear 94 year old whom I had been with for 4 years and living with for the past 8 months . I too know the importance of being able to log on here and see the caring and sharing. I couldn’t post from there but I was reading. I must give credit to my hubby who takes over everything when I must be away.
Thank you Blink and everyone here!
Knit on, knit on!
LaurieO says:
June 4, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Kris says:
June 4, 2012 at 1:48 am
Me too. I’m also curious why he checked his back yard. In this neighborhood, aren’t most of the back yards enclosed? How would Isabel have gotten in there? Seems like an odd place to check. Perhaps he had his reasons. As he’s stated, we don’t have all the facts.
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I would guess that anyone would look in their own yard, backyard, shed, garage, etc if a child is missing. Kids do things that surprise their parents, like hide or run off. So checking every single yard in the area would need to be done. When my neighbor boy was missing due to him running off, I had my kids check our shed because I knew he might hide there or any other spot.
Now why Mr. Mc did that, I don’t know. All JMO
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Hi LaurieO -
For some reason I was under the impression that NM had a wall around his yard, like the Celis house. If I had a 6ft wall around my yard, I’d probably head out the front door to start looking for Isabel. I could be mistaken about the kind of enclosure he has, if he even has one at all. In that case, the back yard would definitely be the first place I checked.
I’m interested in this dead rattlesnake. There are 18 species of rattlesnake in Arizona, and 5 of those species are illegal to kill or collect in Arizona. Why was the snake killed: accidentally; purposefully; illegally; or could it have been killed because it bit someone or someone’s pet?
Rattlesnakes can often be found on rocks, pavement, patios, cinder blocks, etc. during the night because these materials absorb heat during the day, allowing the snake to absorb the heat then overnight. Then, because rocks tend to warm up more slowly during the day than the ground, snakes may stay on them to keep cool.
Rattlesnakes are frequently found near the banks of rivers, which draw prey to their banks. Could the same be said for swimming pools?
Could the rattlesnake have bit Isa, causing death and a massive cover up? Highly unlikely. Is it possible that a neighbor found the snake in their yard, perhaps near their pool, and killed the rattlesnake– then, upon learning that police were searching and canvassing the neighborhood, did that individual have to try to hastily dump the dead snake away from his/her property? Was the snake an illegal trophy from a recent hunting trip which had to be dumped amidst the search of the neighborhood? Was the snake accidentally hit by a car?
How common is it to (A) see a rattlesnake in one’s neighborhood in Tucson, and (B) see a dead one in the street in your neighborhood in Tucson?
Does this snake have anything to do with the case or is it just an odd coincidence?
Blink,
A little reminder to anyone reading your column.
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Mr. Hyatt’s links will no longer be available on my site SH, but I will remind everyone that the reward for Isabel is over $60K
B