Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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I never heard anything about James over on my side of town
Just sometimes I hear snide remarks about Terri and Kaine
But people seem to feel comfortable if Terri did it
Strange
Good to know that James is not involved in this mess.
I live in the area, as I’ve mentioned before and the other day I was driving home – it was a nice sunny day and the summer grass along the highway was tall and the sky was blue and I just thought about young children running and playing and laughing. And how sad it is that Kyron’s little sister is now old enough to play and run with him and be his best friend.
And he’s not here.
And it’s SO sad how that family is torn apart, most likely by poor choices from the parents. From all the photos of him (I’m sure TMH took many of them), I think she actually cared about him at one time -for sure before her daughter was born.
Saddest of all is that children are the victims of their families in some cases, when they are the ones who should be protected at all costs.
Sorry. I think it is just a very sad day all around – Colorado, and all that loss. And for two whole years, little Kyron missing, not here to laugh and run and play. I hope and pray each day that they will find him and he will be OK. I think I don’t even care if The Bad Guy gets away, as long as Kyron is returned safely. Kyron is The Main Thing, poor little boy.
Rose said: “Speaking of Ramirez putting her & her 2 sons pics on her fundraising site for Desiree’s legal expenses (I imagine in a contingency suit expenses like filing fees, service of process, etc are separately billed), the son’s ages and her profer of closeness to Kyron make me wonder why Desiree did not request a Court to appoint her guardian for Kyron during her medical treatment. Versus an adulterous husband, his mistress, & infant daycare, if Ramirez were willing it would seem a slam dunk.”
That wouldn’t have been a slam dunk. No court was going to appoint a special guardian for Quinn and Kyron when the boys had fathers. It’s a shame Desiree Young’s health failed, but if she couldn’t take care of her sons, then they go to the other parents.
Malty says:
July 20, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I would rather see Desiree go after Dede than James
I feel this woman told some serious lies about how well she knew this family
And was involved in their lives
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@Malty- I would wager that DDS will be subpoenaed to testify in the civil case. We know she went to the GJ but that is all sealed, so I think this would be the best/only way for DY to get info. from DDS. We shall see, I am really hoping for some answers.
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lyla says:
July 20, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RedRose says:
July 20, 2012 at 5:50 pm
“Most unlikely, but if so – that could be a case of a mother protecting a son, something I have wondered about. Also would be interested to know the reason KH had “issues” with TH’s son and sent him south.”
@Idahogal says:July 20, 2012 at 11:01 am
MockingbirdSings says:July 19, 2012 at 1:17 pm
@MBS- “Just last night I was chatting with 2 people that live in Portland and they both think that James is involved in Kyron’s disappearance.”
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Where was James when Kyron disappeared? I thought he was in Roseburg. Did LE investigate his whereabouts? What would be the likely scenario if James was involved i.e. motive?
He absolutely was not involved in any way. Idahogal was just sharing a conversation-
B
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Yes, that is all, thanks Blink.
I am just saying there are people out here that think he was. They think TH is covering for him, thus her silence, refusal to talk, etc. We have discussed James here a lot and I do not personally believe that he is involved in any way with Kyron’s disappearance.
Unfortunately, James will most likely be haunted by this case— involved or not in any aspect. At some point in his life, he will probably feel the need to tell his truth. Hopefully, he won’t be in danger for what he knows, or who he knows. He was about Ky’s age when he came into KHs life with his mom. Praying for this case to be resolved. Soon. So. Be. It.
13. “Police reevaluate policy after recent breakthrough.” The Associated Press State & Local Wire, June 2, 2002.
In Portland, Oregon, the police bureau says it has changed its policy on analyzing DNA evidence from sex
crimes after evidence from unprocessed rape kits helped link four different rapes that occurred over a five-year
period. Detectives struggling to solve the a rape and murder of a 14-year-old girl found more than 1,000 rape
kits that never had been submitted to the state crime lab. The bureau recognized the need for new protocol -
particularly after an analysis of two kits from 1997 helped link those cases and the child’s. The new policy
requires police to routinely route all rape kits to the state crime lab unless one or more of the following applies:
No crime can be identified. The case is determined to be unfounded. The case stretches beyond the state’s 12-
year statute of limitations for sex crimes with DNA evidence. The rape kit has no evidentiary value. The case
has been adjudicated and evidence is no longer needed.
http://www.dnaresource.com/documents/2002_6_7.pdf
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1,000 kits were never analyzed!!!! WTF!! And that’s just from the PPB?
“12 year statute of limitations for sex crimes with DNA evidence”
Am I reading this right? Does this mean that if a cold case is a sexual crime, and is reopened that DNA evidence cannot be submitted for analysis if it’s been longer than 12 years?
I don’t think James had anything directly to do with Kyron’s disappearance. However, I’ve been of the mind that Terri is protecting someone else since the day I first saw her walk into court with Houze and Bunch. I think she may be protecting James. From what or whom I don’t know. I don’t think it’s from Kaine, because of this:
“James said he misses his little sister — and would like to see Kaine as well.
“He was like a dad to me,” James said. “I lived with him for eight years.”
Kaine hopes to talk to James again soon. ”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
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I have often wondered if James was the abductors real target. Someone trying to get back at Terri, or someone Terri owed money to, and they threatened to to take her son, so she sent James away, but the perp either mistook Kyron as her son instead of James or took Kyron because he could not locate James. It’s obvious Kaine believes Kyron is still alive, yet he got behind that new (Caylee’s) law that was being introduced here in Oregon. Most of it refers to a deceased child, but this part:
(c) The child is missing under circumstances that are known to
the person and would cause a reasonable person to believe that
the child is in danger of physical harm; and
http://www.leg.state.or.us/12reg/measures/hb4000.dir/hb4048.intro.html
makes me wonder if Kaine thinks Terri knew Kyron was in danger. Or, at least SHOULD have known. If Terri had James move because she thought he was in danger, but did not tell anyone about it and Kyron ended up the victim instead of James, is it possible Terri never in a million years thought Kyron was in danger as well? I sometimes wonder if this is what Larry Moulton referred to when he said 50/50 chance she would be arrested.
Is it possible James was skipping school because he was being harassed by someone there, as in gangs? Is it possible Terri found out and moved James and never told anyone why.
IDK, just thinking out loud. Geeze, without more information anything is possible.
This online article makes it sound like (to me) that a witness list has been given to Terri’s legal team and James was on it. Again, the age is still wrong.
Posted: Jul 19, 2012 9:31 AM PDT Updated: Jul 19, 2012 9:40 AM PDT
By FOX 12 Webstaff – email
PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) –
The stepmother of Kyron Horman is trying to keep her biological son off the witness stand in an upcoming civil case.
Terri Horman filed a motion Monday in hopes of preventing her 17-year-old from testifying should the plaintiff’s side keep him on the witness list in the civil lawsuit.
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I know Blink said the things James would be questioned about happened when he was a minor but does that mean that a parent is in charge of what you do in your adult life if it relates to things that happened when you were a minor? What if James actually wants to testify – maybe he feels his testimony could help – maybe he would say we all had arguments, got over them, and went out for ice cream.
I think James will do whatever his mom tells him – he isn’t really in a position to go out on his own yet, it was a hypothetical question.
Here is my personal experience indirectly relating to this –
I have mentioned before that many years ago I divorced the father of my children. He has Asperger’s (unknown at the time) and was absolutely obsessed with putting his life back “in order” any way he could (except counseling). If you want to see “angry”, you should have seen me when I opened the door and was served a subpoena for my barely 6 year old daughter to appear and testify in court. The judge said he did not approve and tried to talk him out of it. He even suggested he talk to her in his chambers. Dad said no, so she marched right up to the chair and was asked if she knew what it meant to tell a lie. She said she did. Then she recited an explanation of Daddy’s mortgage payments and affect of divorce on his ability to keep his house, and said that I vacuumed all the time instead of playing with her and her sister (if I hadn’t been so mad, it would have been hilarious because my housekeeping was OK but nothing on that level). Then she smiled across the room at me, waved, and jumped down from the chair – Shirley Temple style.
If my daughter didn’t fit into the definition of someone who should not have been on a witness stand, I doubt if anybody does. Granted, she was not traumatized at the time by a crime, but the whole process affected her greatly as she grew up, including fears that I was hurt by her testimony and multiple questions and apologies about what she did for the next 15 years – which is how long it took me to convince her that I never held her responsible for any of that and never would.
I guess the point is that I’m not making any assumptions about whether James will be deposed or not. We can’t know this of course, but what if Kyron really was being held somewhere and James knew something (even if he didn’t know he knew) that would lead to finding him – whose rights take precedence: Terri, James, Kyron, or Desiree’s right to ask? It just doesn’t seem that simple a decision to me.
If I were Desiree’s attorney, I would have put James on the list of potential witnesses, and I would have expected Terri to object. I wonder what Kaine’s opinion of James as a potential witness is.
I wonder who was telling JW this:
http://realitychatter.forumotions.com/t2666-jw-name-removed-initials-only-please
“I also want to say that I need to be respectful to the investigators and their work in progress trying to find Kyron, ***I also need to be careful about divulging information about my relatives and I have been told not to discuss my volunteering as a child advocate.***”
This was before everyone was way ahead of him and knew he was full of shit, and lied about his credentials.
He is not going to be bothering anyone again.
B
NelMel says:
July 21, 2012 at 12:21 am
One question I’ve asked here before…
(snipped) “An RO was issued against TH in 2010, and since then, despite a brief custody war in court, TH has not been able to see her daughter.
Yet let’s go south, to where James lives. NO ONE attempted to keep him away from TH. KH could not include his teenage stepson in his RO. James is not KH’s son. James was, however, a minor in 2010, not an 18 year old who could make up his own mind about who to associate with.
Why didn’t anyone think to keep him away from TH, considering the horrific accusations against her via KH in the RO and custody hearing?
This detail alone tells me that no one else but KH felt that TH was a danger to her kids.”
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I hope someone can answer your question. She’s a threat to her bio daughter, but not her bio son…never did make sense to me.
Whoa, KGW has changed that headline and article three times now. From bad to worse. What on earth is going on in this case? Who is manipulating the media? Is it Kaine? Is it the DA? Who? Where is WW when we need them, why did they totally drop this case from the news?
“Terri Horman wants son silenced about Kyron ”
http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Terri-Horman-162949456.html
I wonder if they are not goading Houze. He is not goadable.
B
lyla says:
July 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm
NelMel says:
July 21, 2012 at 12:21 am
One question I’ve asked here before…
(snipped) “An RO was issued against TH in 2010, and since then, despite a brief custody war in court, TH has not been able to see her daughter.
Yet let’s go south, to where James lives. NO ONE attempted to keep him away from TH. KH could not include his teenage stepson in his RO. James is not KH’s son. James was, however, a minor in 2010, not an 18 year old who could make up his own mind about who to associate with.
Why didn’t anyone think to keep him away from TH, considering the horrific accusations against her via KH in the RO and custody hearing?
This detail alone tells me that no one else but KH felt that TH was a danger to her kids.”
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I hope someone can answer your question. She’s a threat to her bio daughter, but not her bio son…never did make sense to me.
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my own “answers” –
I don’t know who would have sought an RO re James – it would have to be his father. There is no child welfare case because both Kiara and James have other parents who are deemed able to parent them.
James is much older and, when living with Terri, is also living with her retired parents (his grandparents) who are, as owners of the home and parents of Terri, in as much of a supervisory capacity as anyone could be. James did not appear to be in immediate danger from his mother and was close to becoming a legal adult.
It is quite possible that there was some fear that Terri would take Kiara and leave – perhaps even leave the country – which would endanger Kiara’s welfare. Logically, Terri was convicted of child endangerment before so it is not beyond reason that she would put herself before her child’s welfare again. NOT SAYING, this is fact or even that it was considered, just saying I can see reasons why an RO for Kiara would make sense and not for James even though she is considered “of tender years”.
I do believe the reports that Kiara’s behavior changed for the better after she did not see Terri again although it may have been for a variety of reasons. (Yes, I also believe losing a parent even temporarily is very difficult for a child, but I do not know all the facts here so I cannot guess to what degree it has and will affect her life.)
With regard to “tender years”, I think the key to the current custody arrangement is in the statement below which reads: The court noted, however, that “the preference operates only when all other things are equal.” I know the words “primary parent” were used by Kaine, but I think it was less open to examination than it would have been had all other things about Kaine and Terri been “equal”.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Tender+Years+Doctrine
(snipped)
The tender years presumption in child custody cases persisted for more than one hundred years, with the majority of states recognizing the presumption. In the latter half of the twentieth century, courts and legislatures began to reverse decisions and repeal laws that recognized the tender years presumption in favor of gender-neutral considerations. In most states the best interests of the child are now the primary consideration in child custody cases, and the primary caretaker is presumed to be the best parent to handle primary custody of a small child. Some state courts have gone so far as to hold that the tender years doctrine violates the Equal Protection Clause of the state constitution. (See, e.g., King v. Vancil, 34 Ill. App. 3d 831, 341 N.E. 2d 65 [Ill. 1975].)
A small number of states still recognize the tender years presumption, but only in certain cases. In Pennington v. Pennington, 711 P.2d 254 (Utah 1985), the Supreme Court of Utah stated that it had “long expressed a preference for placing very young children in the mother’s custody.” The court noted, however, that “the preference operates only when all other things are equal.” The Pennington court held that the best interests of the child were to be given primary consideration, and it went on to affirm the award of child custody to the father in the case.
imo no WW because Courts Reporter Pitkin was let go.KGW is the only media Corp sponsor Kaine’s site lists in TYs.
(that acknowledgement will likely disappear too) I the last year of the TV stations seemed to have a reasonably attactive single reporter on his events, but I can’t remember who. I very briefly looked at a few kgw & kptv spots,
as it thought those were Kaine’s primaries, but dropped the research quickly before finding. Idle
curiosity research is a waste, I tell myself. All they’re doing, if Houze has screenshots, is providing fodder for a gag order to benefit the minor children.
lyla says:
July 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm
(snipped)
I hope someone can answer your question. She’s a threat to her bio daughter, but not her bio son…never did make sense to me.
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@lyla
I think the point of the RO was that she was a threat to him and his bio children as a result.
I don’t think I saw this posted – may have missed it though.
http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2012/07/past_abuse_by_teachers_ordered.html
(snipped)
Three years ago, a unanimous Oregon Legislature passed a law intended to stop teachers who’ve preyed on students romantically or sexually from being passed from one school district to another with their misconduct kept secret.
But a fundamental effect of the law was gutted this summer when a Josephine County Circuit Court judge ruled that districts must report that a teacher has a clean slate, no matter how serious any documented sexual conduct involving students, if the conduct occurred before the law took effect in July 2010.
The law does not expressly say it applies to past abuses, so it doesn’t, the judge ruled.
Now lawmakers are vowing to fix that.
T. Ruth says:
July 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Whoa, KGW has changed that headline and article three times now. From bad to worse. What on earth is going on in this case? Who is manipulating the media? Is it Kaine? Is it the DA? Who? Where is WW when we need them, why did they totally drop this case from the news?
“Terri Horman wants son silenced about Kyron ”
http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Terri-Horman-162949456.html
I wonder if they are not goading Houze. He is not goadable.
B
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I’m sorry, I don’t give them that much credit for having a purpose other than attracting readers unknowingly to repeatedly look at the same exact information and even that seems left up to whatever staff person is attending the website at the time. I think the Fox 12 one was a bit kinder although the comments certainly aren’t. http://www.kptv.com/story/19065368/terri-horman-hoping-to-keep-teen-son-off-witness-stand-in-kyron-case
My question is – why did none of the other news agencies even mention it? Surely they know a lot of people were waiting to see what the response would be. Some thought the case would be dismissed, so there is some interest in what happens.
(Just checked again – nothing in other media that I’ve seen so far. I know it’s not a big story, but you would think they would know many people are following it.)
re constantly changing, biased strange title, and factual error in Kyle Ibosi’s reporting.
according to one past public critic in a more important case this is very typy of his reporting::
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/12/383455.shtml?discuss
see entry at dec 11 2008 19:57.
Is probably OK with peter principle in his profession
as he grew up in Hillsboro & has 3 kids.
he promoted up from Medford.
btw that public critic viewed Kyle as an incurious mouthpiece for PPB & its attorneys (DA) broadcasting clearly erroneous facts about another one of those controversial citizen killings by police officers.
So my bet is he got this info from DA or LE sources.
Hi Malty! I think people want to think TH did it, so they don’t have to worry about a SZ.
Malty says:
July 21, 2012 at 12:46 am
I never heard anything about James over on my side of town
Just sometimes I hear snide remarks about Terri and Kaine
But people seem to feel comfortable if Terri did it
Strange
Going on six weeks waiting for results on “the find” by the fisherboy on Sauvie Island.
THIS CASE NEEDS A HERO! ARE YOU OUT THERE?
Bumble says:
July 21, 2012 at 4:59 pm
lyla says:
July 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm
(snipped)
I hope someone can answer your question. She’s a threat to her bio daughter, but not her bio son…never did make sense to me.
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@lyla
I think the point of the RO was that she was a threat to him and his bio children as a result.
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Yes. So, say you are the father of a teenager who lives with your ex, his mother. The mother is publicly accused of “possible” involvement in the disappearance of a stepson, your child’s stepbrother. Also, she is accused of a MFH plot against her current husband — the stepfather of your child.
AND YOU AREN’T WORRIED?????????
I’ve read nothing since 2010 to indicate that James’ father or other family members had any concerns about him being around TH.
So, why? Where exactly is James’ actual addy? Does he officially live with his father and stepmother? That was my impression. Does he visit TH frequently? Or does she live with her at his grandparents? Originally, I read that TH stated he went to live with her parents. And then I read that he lived with his father and stepmother. And then I read…
Hell, I read Helter Skelter and War and Peace and The Canterbury Tales, too. And I still don’t understand Charles Manson, 19th century Tsarist military strategy against the French, or Chaucer’s prose.
Just like this case. I ain’t gettin’ it.
This statement is in regard to the 2 missing girls from Iowa. Anyone know if this “sophisticated sonar” equipment was used in the water searches for Kyron? They seem very confident in its accuracy.
“On Friday, authorities said they were treating the case as an abduction after an FBI dive team used sophisticated sonar to determine the girls’ remains were not in the lake.”
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/21/12878820-fbi-missing-iowa-girls-believed-to-be-alive?lite
Bumble says:
July 21, 2012 at 4:59 pm
lyla says:
July 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm
(snipped)
I hope someone can answer your question. She’s a threat to her bio daughter, but not her bio son…never did make sense to me.
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@lyla
I think the point of the RO was that she was a threat to him and his bio children as a result.
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@Bumble – Yes, I agree. I meant to be giving additional reasons why Terri would not have an RO naming James. I think I got carried away.
T. Ruth says:
July 21, 2012 at 1:29 pm
I wonder who was telling JW this:
http://realitychatter.forumotions.com/t2666-jw-name-removed-initials-only-please
“I also want to say that I need to be respectful to the investigators and their work in progress trying to find Kyron, ***I also need to be careful about divulging information about my relatives and I have been told not to discuss my volunteering as a child advocate.***”
This was before everyone was way ahead of him and knew he was full of shit, and lied about his credentials.
He is not going to be bothering anyone again.
B
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Oh Blink, LOL, I do love your zingers.
@TRuth- Thanks for that link re: JW and his incessant letters, interviews and posts. It was interesting to read again, reminded me of why he created so much suspicion. He is an idiot, IMHO, and I think he got himself into some hot water with LE when he sent those written threats to various bloggers.
@MockingbirdSings says:
July 21, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Thanks for the article, I hadn’t seen any of that goings on. If it was reported in our local paper I somehow missed it down here in Douglas. How ridiculous is that? I hope Congresswoman Gelser gets that law fixed, and in fact that the law is made retroactive. Why on earth would there be a limit as to a background check in a teacher’s employment in the first place. They are our children’s guardians. IMO, that teacher should be fired, not only was what she did wrong it was down right stupid.
http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2012/07/past_abuse_by_teachers_ordered.html
“The poem read in part: “I watch you talk. Your sweet, mauve lips move gently; Your lips, the perfect shape for my mouth. I imagine them pressed urgently into mine, Moving, sliding, breathing passion into me.”
It read in part: “Eyes closed-hot tears-though not in vain. Reflect the love Now held inside, A precious secret, Once to hide. The scent of you.”
Zottola testified that it never crossed her mind that such writing might be sexually exciting to a convicted sex offender or make him think of his teacher sexually.”
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Yeah, nothing sexual there. Unfreakinbelievable!
Tyler Lupoli/Miller:
http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2012/07/judge_makes_third_try_to_send.html
(snipped)
In the last two days, Trevino has ordered that same judgment twice in an attempt to write an order that the Oregon Department of Corrections will follow.
Miller went to prison on Trevino’s original order June 8 but was released 10 days later after corrections staff calculated his sentence, factoring in credit for time served.
Trevino amended the order Thursday, specifying that Miller should not receive credit for any time served before May 23.
At Friday’s hearing, Deputy District Attorney Megan Johnson said the corrections department told her the amended order wasn’t valid. To achieve the intended result, Johnson said, corrections staffers need the judge to order Miller to “credit for time served plus 24 months.”
That, however, was what Trevino’s original order said. Johnson said she guessed the corrections department may have misread the first order, in which the words “credit for time served plus” were abbreviated.
“To say this is frustrating would be an understatement,” Trevino said. “I gave Mr. Lupoli what I thought was the appropriate sentence. … I tried to craft an order that was what I said on the record and was what the parties bargained for.”
Because Miller was released from prison on that order, she amended it Thursday, hoping the corrections department would enforce the intended sentence. And now, she said, the corrections department was asking for the original order.
“We’ll try that,” she said. “And hopefully this time it would work.”
– Emily E. Smith
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=285217761488861&story_fbid=463686826975286
Bring Kyron Home · 1,150 like this
June 24 at 9:09am ·
We are wrapping up a project that has been a long time coming and we can use your help. Koloring with Kyron is a coloring and activity book with coloring pages based on activities Kyron enjoys. We are asking for final ideas for some coloring pages. Please send in art work, drawings or concepts/descriptions depicting Kyron doing his favorite activities or visiting his favorite places.
Please email submissions to: cindi@BringKyronHome.org
Thanks!
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I was wondering what ever happened to the original “contest”. I just don’t get this “project”.
Kyron’s Klassic Car Show 2:
http://www.bringkyronhome.org/events-activities/kyrons-klassic-car-show-2012/
Register Now – Space is limited!!
Judging by participants and people’s choice
All registrations are $15 per vehicle.
Event shirt pre-orders (please indicate qty and size in your registration form):
$12 ea. sizes S-XL
$15 ea. sizes 2XL-4XL
Please include payment with your check or pay pal payment if you wish to preorder.
Download, print and mail your registration and pay by check
Download
Mail registration form and check to:
The Kyron Horman Foundation
2373 NW 185th Ave #672
Hillsboro, OR 97124
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Hey, maybe Kaine’s raising money so he can pay Desiree when she wins the civil suit against his wife. (Yes, I’m being sarcastic, but where IS all this Foundation money going if not for searching for Kyron or hiring a PI?)
@Rose says:
July 20, 2012 at 4:35 pm
from Bring Kyron Home site, thank yous (wrt to which events is unclear)
http://www.bringkyronhome.org/thank-you/
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KGW listed as a Corp Sponsor! the only media on the list
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Rose, the Oregonian/Olive is listed there as well. Hmmmm, don’t see WW, LOL.
I’ve been thinking about the study mas posted about 1 in 10 perps interjecting themselves in the case, and the other facts presented about the audacity of some of them to even volunteer to help out. Makes me wonder if we should be looking at any of them. I hate to think it, but I guess the stats don’t lie.
If Terri is totally innocent of any wrongdoing regarding Kyron’s disappearance, why doesn’t she file a defammation of character suit against LE, media? Possibly KH and DY also who have been extremely vocal about her alleged involvement in Kyron’s disappearance?
I wonder out of all the children who disappear
What the percentage of it being a family member or friend is compared to a SO or stranger
Anyone know
In the Ramsey case I found it hard to understand
Why no seem to think a SO got in the house
Same with this case no one thinks this SO was around the school
Maybe in the bathrooms often
Before Kyron disapeared
Anyway I wonder if I am alone in believing
That SO’s are around close by
And dangerous
Waiting for an opportunity
As I posted about Dede I do not think she did this but I do think she tried to act like a casual
Friend who had rare contact with the family
And I don’t believe her
However Dede seems to be the only planner in this case
She plans her diet and puts meals in the freezer
Plans flower boxes to sale
Plans a birthday party
Plans to sleep by the door to protect a friend
What difference would it make if Dede was a close friend
Anyway and admitted it
None I can see
So I just don’t believe her
But I don’t think she took Kyron
I think a SO was around the school for some time
Working or something
Got to know the kids and took one
And this SO maybe made a move on James
Who was not in school but hanging out at Powell’s book store
So he moved
Enough posts from this old gal.
@Malty. Kaine is a planner.
Not the abduction though.
But he’s been planful since.
@TRuth. imo it’s goal displacement. instead of fundraising as a means to an end,
fundraising becomes an end in itself.
imo these events are in part needed at a monthly or quarterly rate for tax exempt nonprofit status (did he get it?).
And then a certain percentage of the whole must be disbursed yearly.
Imo Kaine’s accountant will determine that amount yearly, subtract expenses: mdse cost, events like this–all justified as “awareness”, a key Foundation goal–also deduct yearly expenses as plane/hotel for Calif speaking engagements and awards received (one a year gets the annual Calif trip covered), and donate the yearly difference to an organization like Klass’ or that Calif award grantor’s, as the diff won’t be enough to hire a PI for Kyron. If it qualified as a tax exempt org, someday you can get the details on Guidestar.
I would think a PI would donate some time and effort to try and find Kyron.
now listed on Guidestar
http://www.guidestar.org/SearchResults.aspx
let he who can read, interpret for yourself.
registering is easy
thrn open the 2010 990 filed in jan 2012, recd Feb 2012
at the time of filing I interpret tax exempt status not yet approved (see irs history in script)
D&Os differ in two places
Kristi is Treasurer.
Address of Fdtn is the man’s home who tried to incorporate & get tax exempt status for them
What should answer your questions of why doesn’t K use the contributions to hire a PI or search is the
Foundation’s purpose is Very Clearly Stayed, and I believe it, in next to last paragr on p 10.
So has anyone at kgw or OLive ever read this public document?
any questions?
that’s “clearly Stated”..
. Read p 10 folks.
My own conclusion after reading “Purpose” is this Foundation’s pupose
is so noxiously generalas to be a mere PR vehicle.
The purpose does not relate
to specifically finding Kyron. Is there a “tax exemption qualifying” reason for
that language? might be; I haven’t read those irs objections
Let’s hear from the President, Secr, or Treasurer on that.
In the meantime in this case it is naive to think funds donated to LE
or either bio will go to finding Kyron. No transparent track record of use to date.
Sitting in a bank somewhere, earning interest???
@T. Ruth says:July 22, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Hey, maybe Kaine’s raising money so he can pay Desiree when she wins the civil suit against his wife. (Yes, I’m being sarcastic, but where IS all this Foundation money going if not for searching for Kyron or hiring a PI?)
lyla says:
July 22, 2012 at 1:04 pm
If Terri is totally innocent of any wrongdoing regarding Kyron’s disappearance, why doesn’t she file a defammation of character suit against LE, media? Possibly KH and DY also who have been extremely vocal about her alleged involvement in Kyron’s disappearance?
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TOP TEN – reasons why filing a defamation suit may not be wise or successful:
1 – She would need another attorney added to her team.
2 – She would need additional money.
3 – She would have to prove “that the defamatory statement [was the cause of] caused the plaintiff to suffer damages” which might be difficult given that neither she nor her attorney has denied anything for over 2 years.
4 – If she knows she sent texts of a sexual nature to RS and anyone else, she can’t use those reports as “defamatory per se” (see below).
5 – She (or her attorney) did not demand a retraction from the media within 20 days after awareness of the statement(s) – AND “the demand for retraction must specify which statements are false and defamatory and request that they be corrected or retracted. In addition, the demand may refer to the sources from which the true facts may be accurately ascertained.”
6 – She would have to have asked the media within the 20 days for a retraction in EACH instance that a statement(s) was made. She could still sue, but if they retracted what she demanded, she could only receive actual money lost.
7 – The statute of limitations is one year. If individuals keep repeating what you consider a defamation of character and years go by with no response from you, would a jury be likely to agree with you if you do sue later? Obviously, a lot of water has gone under that bridge already.
8 – The statements of Kaine and Desiree clearly contain a lot of opinion which may not be “actionable”.
9 – So many different media groups and people have written and spoken, it would be a very hard case to sort out and very expensive. It would also be difficult to pin down the role of LE for a jury – were their briefings of Kaine and Desiree misunderstood, were their statements based in fact (facts which we don’t know yet)? All of that would have to come out, it seems to me, to show there was defamation – “out” is not something they seem to want.
10 – She would need to talk.
resources:
http://www.open-oregon.com/media-guide/chapter-12-defamation/
(snipped quotes)
A plaintiff who sues for defamation must generally prove three things: (1) that a defamatory statement was made or communicated; (2) that the defamatory statement was published, and (3) that the defamatory statement caused the plaintiff to suffer damages.
Oregon courts have set forth the following definition of a defamatory statement:
A defamatory communication is one which would subject a person to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or tend to diminish the esteem, respect, goodwill or confidence in which one is held or to excite adverse, derogatory, or unpleasant feelings or opinions against one.
Several types of statements are considered defamatory per se; in other words, the mere utterance of the statement is sufficient to defame someone. Historic examples of statements that are defamatory per se include statements that impute an inability or unfitness to perform the duties of one’s employment, accusations that one has committed a crime, or assertions of unchastity in a woman, or of having a “loathsome disease.”
. . . if the statement is true, a media defendant cannot be liable for publishing it. The Oregon legislature, however, has provided another way for a media defendant to attempt to insulate itself from some of the damages that might result from a defamatory statement. Oregon’s Retraction Statute, ORS 30.150-30.175, provides that a plaintiff may not recover so-called general damages (damages which are not measurable by proof of a specific monetary loss. In the context of defamation, general damages are designed to compensate the plaintiff for the harm to reputation -a harm which is not measurable in a money loss.) unless a correction or retraction is demanded but not published.
The retraction procedure allows an allegedly defamed person or his or her attorney to make a written demand for correction or retraction that must be delivered to the publisher of the statement . . . within 20 days after the defamed person first becomes aware of the defamatory statement. The demand for retraction must specify which statements are false and defamatory and request that they be corrected or retracted. In addition, the demand may refer to the sources from which the true facts may be accurately ascertained. The publisher then has two weeks after receiving the demand for retraction to investigate the demand and determine whether to publish a correction or retraction.
. . . the retraction statute provides a relatively cost-free method of eliminating a potential plaintiff’s claim for general damages.
Oregon courts have held that the retraction statute does not violate the Oregon constitution and that it applies only to publishers and broadcasters, and not to individual defendants whose statements happened to be published or broadcast.
(re # 6 above) “The Court of Appeals held that the plaintiff’s demand for retraction was not untimely — notwithstanding the fact that he had actual knowledge of the defamatory statement five months earlier — because ‘each publication is a discrete tort.’ ”
http://www.osbar.org/public/legalinfo/1186_LibelSlander.htm
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Information provided online by the Oregon Bar Association:
“If you believe you have a defamation case, you normally have one year from the date of the communication (whether written or oral) to file the lawsuit.”
“Even if your reputation is damaged by a defamatory communication, you cannot recover if the communication was true. Other defenses include statements made in jest (where the communication was not intended to be taken seriously), and when the communication was an opinion (not actionable) and not a fact.”
“A defamation case is a particularly difficult kind of lawsuit to win. Courts and juries like to preserve the freedom of speech as much as possible.”
The judge that will be hearing TH’s legal arguments on Aug. 15. Looks like from his bio he might be a PPS fan, IMO.
http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/docs/Judges/Kantor/JudgeKantor_BiographicalInformationForJudgeKantor.pdf
@ T. Ruth says: July 22, 2012 at 12:46 pm
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I’ve wondered about this too, T. Ruth. Are there camera’s set up at Kaine’s fundraisers? Does LE attend? I wonder if they look out for faces that appear over and over again. Sometimes Kaine’s fundraisers seem strange. Maybe the purpose is to see who comes.
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I’ve been thinking about the study mas posted about 1 in 10 perps interjecting themselves in the case, and the other facts presented about the audacity of some of them to even volunteer to help out. Makes me wonder if we should be looking at any of them. I hate to think it, but I guess the stats don’t lie.
@ Malty says: July 22, 2012 at 5:17 pm
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Something about Dede. Little K was at Fred Myer with Terri after the science fair, but I’ve not read that anyone saw her inside the school with Terri. I can’t help but wonder if Dede was in the truck watching the baby while Terri was in the school. I also don’t believe her. Not to say I think she had anything to do with Kyron, but something about her and Terri and that morning are very hinky!
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As I posted about Dede I do not think she did this but I do think she tried to act like a casual
Friend who had rare contact with the family
And I don’t believe her