Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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We’re the children or chaperones wearing name tags on June 4th?
@erose says:
July 29, 2012 at 2:31 pm
(snipped) “I agree, and if he is letting her see their child, which I think is possible and have read the rumors, what does all of that say about what is really going on here”?
lyla says:
July 29, 2012 at 12:41 am
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Really, do we know KH is not letting her have “supervised” visits?
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Could be he’s done a turnaround and believes she’s told all she knows. jmo
How many cases of a teacher and a teen have been caught in our schools
In the past years and the guy is arrested
But never have I seen the school policy’s or so on questioned
Someone must have noticed something going on
How can a teacher have a thing with a teenage girl and no one saw a thing
Something is wrong in our schools
Thanks for the link Lyla.
https://www.internationalrewardscentre.com/component/content/article/398-news-archive/674-police-change-focus-of-kyron-horman-case-to-criminal-investigation.html
“Police say that because they haven’t been able to find Kyron Horman over the last 11 days of searching, it’s not likely he just walked away from school. Kristian Foden-Vencil reports.
If he didn’t walk away, authorities are left with the probability that Horman left with someone else.
That means they’re now focusing on a criminal investigation and phasing down what was the largest search and rescue effort the state has seen.”
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No one, not one person has reported seeing Kyron leave that school. (Even the infamous SZ was seen with Kyron in the school, not leaving with him according to Blink.) To me, that means Kyron could have gotten ticked off at someone and started walking home, or Kyron could have wandered out the open back or side door and into the woods, and then be abducted by someone. Maybe he did leave the school on his own. Maybe whomever abducted him, told him to. Maybe he didn’t get as far as the druggies house down the street. (And did we ever hear just why that guy was headed toward the school?) Maybe he made it as far as the little store and someone abducted him there. How is it a little guy can walk out of that school either alone or with another person and no one sees him, not even one of his buddies. Two years later I still wonder if someone in that school somehow incapacitated him and stuffed him into some sort of container, which they simply wheeled out of the school later in the day.
If LE does not even know how Kyron left the school, how on earth can they be so sure Terri did it? LE is saying Terri was the last *known* person to see Kyron. Who was the second to last adult to see him, and the one before that? Where was Kyron seen within the school before that and before that. It’s so weird that LE has released nothing about Kyron’s morning.
Gates said at one point that they would release bits of information when they felt information from the public could help solve the case.
Way past time IMO. Who knows what little tidbit has been overlooked unless you know what tidbits are out there.
I didn’t realize, the janitor, Selim Masic was at Merriweather Lewis Elementary in 2008. Wasn’t he on the staff at Skyline in 2009 or do I have that wrong. Just thinking about the story MbS posted about PPS shuffling their problem employees around. Has anyone ever seen a picture of the janitor, Bill Tandy other than the one with his back to us? Just wondering.
Forgot this link:
http://lewiselementary.org/staff/
@Lyla. I thought attendees just wandered in and out from any door–all unlocked.
If there is no fence & all doors were opened, no child without a parent or chaperone
or teacher beside them was safe from a predator.
imo PPS fell down in the classrooms where teachers didn’t take attendance at the regular (8:5o?)
time, assign each child to a group & keep a record of it, and hold the field trip chaperones accountable. I bet many rooms/teachers followed procedure in attendance and group formation.
Kyron’s abduction had Nothing to do with a 10:00 check off. That’s another story after 10. That was a 911 story.
I am entranced with the story a recess child disappeared to the tracks during recess unattended last year.
In my middle school there was a place we weren’t supposed to go during recess on school grounds, and you got a paddle with holes in it for going. A shop, run by Popsie, an entertaining old man. These days I bet I know why the prohibition. Of course it became a game. Many went, repeatedly. Me too. I would like school parents honest with themselves to look into if the tracks were a school day hangout at recess or lunch–a lure, an alluring place to run to and back.
Let’s not forget dogs hit there
@Cindy says:
July 29, 2012 at 4:49 pm
I only mentioned the bear, because one year later, this bear was stalking an elementary school, not that far (in bear miles) from Kyron’s school. Don’t believe there’d been any wolf sightings. LOL
http://www.oregonlive.com/tualatin/index.ssf/2011/06/tualatin_elementary_school_opening_delayed_as_police_try_to_trap_black_bear.html
Authorities are trying to isolate and trap an adult male black bear that’s loitering near Tualatin Elementary School this morning.
(more @link)
I’m wondering why KH or DY didn’t file a civil suit against Skyline. The onus would be put on the school to prove they weren’t negligent.I clearly think the school was negligent in not reporting him missing.
I don’t wonder at all. Negligence is shared by percentage either way.
B
I also think I was trying to be funny (not that there’s anything humorous about this whole situation). That bear was down in Tualatin by the grade school. From Skyline, there is Beaverton south,then Tigard, and then Tualatin – about 15 miles, minimum. However, there are lots of wetlands and undeveloped areas where animals can wander. –and Forest Park –that whole ridge on both sides of Skyline (Forest Park)runs from Hwy 26 almost all the way to the Oregon Coast.
In the middle of Beaverton, where our daughter lives, she had a mamma dear and her baby in her front yard one morning — about 3-4 blocks from one of the nature parks.
I can, we can, only hope and pray that someone has Kyron who thinks they will be a better parent and is taking good care of him (I just HATE the idea of a perv), and he will someday be returned to his family.
@T. Ruth says:July 30, 2012 at 4:52 pm
@Cindy says:July 29, 2012 at 4:49 pm
I only mentioned the bear, because one year later, this bear was stalking an elementary school, not that far (in bear miles) from Kyron’s school. Don’t believe there’d been any wolf sightings. LOL
http://www.oregonlive.com/tualatin/index.ssf/2011/06/tualatin_elementary_school_opening_delayed_as_police_try_to_trap_black_bear.html
Authorities are trying to isolate and trap an adult male black bear that’s loitering near Tualatin Elementary School this morning.
Lots to think about here, T.Ruth. Makes one wonder.
I’m thinking about the guy in Oregon City who killed the two teenage girls a few years ago …buried one right next to his house under a cement slab, walked right over it when talking to a reporter. I don’t remember exactly how they found her finally.
And the other little girl … I think she was in his lawn shed. The neighbor behind said something about a really bad smell. Of course, the neighbor never bothered to report it to the police.
What I’m saying is that maybe somebody has Kyron right close by and just won’t tell anybody.
I’d rather think that Kyron is safe somewhere, but the world is just too full of weirdos.
Anyway, it WAS the end of school and Kyron wasn’t getting to go to his mom’s, right? He could have been unhappy about that. Also, since it was the end of school – is there any chance there was a hidey place in the school that nobody else (except maybe some of the children) knew about. –and then you always worry about wells that aren’t covered – or that place across the street where they were doing work?
@4.T. Ruth says:July 30, 2012 at 4:28 pm
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No one, not one person has reported seeing Kyron leave that school. (Even the infamous SZ was seen with Kyron in the school, not leaving with him according to Blink.) To me, that means Kyron could have gotten ticked off at someone and started walking home, or Kyron could have wandered out the open back or side door and into the woods, and then be abducted by someone. Maybe he did leave the school on his own. Maybe whomever abducted him, told him to. Maybe he didn’t get as far as the druggies house down the street. (And did we ever hear just why that guy was headed toward the school?) Maybe he made it as far as the little store and someone abducted him there. How is it a little guy can walk out of that school either alone or with another person and no one sees him, not even one of his buddies. Two years later I still wonder if someone in that school somehow incapacitated him and stuffed him into some sort of container, which they simply wheeled out of the school later in the day.
From January 2010:
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2010/01/with_help_from_portland_eco-sc.html
(snipped)
Custodian Selim Masic helps weigh a bucket holding food scraps. He’s been integral to Skyline’s recycling efforts, says parent Jill Inahara, Skyline’s representative to the Portland Eco-School Network.
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Beejay says:
June 21, 2011 at 5:28 pm
@Kimberly: yes, WPG said he though that Selmir would probably be Selim’s son, due to ages. (I did not watch the video.) Was it my little hiring-the-handicapped that got things all confused? That’s an iffy neighborhood.
What bothers me more is Selim not being on the official attendee list for June 4, since neighbor said she saw him there that a.m.
So, Selim has a back problem and PPS employs him as a janitor. Their risk management people must be asleep. I looked into his residence way back and made that mental note then: mental or physical handicap? I’m losing my grasp of all these details.
I wish MCSO would make some clarifying statements when the task force dissolves.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-154/#comments
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If he was there, then why is Selim Masic’s name not on the task force list?
Blink have you verified neighbor’s account on this?
… quote from story: “I was ripping around my neighborhood at 100 miles an hour, screaming my son’s name out the window for three hours,”
… and two years ago, Kaine and Terri were going to the gym after Kyron disappeared.
Makes one wonder out loud, doesn’t it??
@lyla says:July 30, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Another one missing in Portland.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/6-year-old-missing-from-NE-Portland-yard/hoa0IV_-ZkCUIY_hjjwASg.cspx
No. 7 – Hi T. Ruth, a bear is not out of the realm of possibility. I was thinking of a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
@T.Ruth –
As much as I hate typing this. When I hear that no one saw Kyron leave, my logic jumps straight to: No one saw him leave because he was concealed or inside of something. I remember reading theories early on that maybe he was snatched into the bathroom and contained. Hurts my heart writing that.
Egads, I never should have gone back and started reading again. Started looking at UCC liens again.
Can someone explain to me why the UCC lien on the landscaper’s truck is important to this case? Could it be the landscaper owed the lien holder money and therefore agreed to lie to the detectives about the MFH? Am I even close?
@Lyla. To me, it has never mattered if there’s a SZ or Terri or a blue goose because no abductor could operate or succeed but for the negligence of PPS staff in their failures to implement PPS’ own policies and procedures from 8:50-3:30 on the part of multiple personnel. To the extent Mrs Young and Mr Horman have never acknowledged it, much less litigated for their son, I remind myself that’s their perogative as parents. They are the parents. Paraphrasing Blink responsibly I hope, parent processing in a loss of this magnitude is what it is, individually.
Sorry, to clarify, of course the “Who” matters in terms of who walked out with Kyron and can inform on his whereabous. It’s in terms of negligence that I think the school is numero uno, although in the face of a slick, planful SZ, no school could be secure. it’s better for PPS to cooperate, turn over computer and phone records, host a town hall meeting, and say they meant well.
lyla says:
July 30, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Could be he’s done a turnaround and believes she’s told all she knows. jmo
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As recently as June 1st 2012 Kaine still felt Terri held the answer to where Kyron is.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-Kain-Horman-Terri-Horman-civil-lawsuit-156159635.html
“In reaction to the expected civil lawsuit, Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, said standing next to the Wall of Hope, “I think at this point in time, the gloves are off.”
He says by nature, he’s a patient person. But his patience is worn thin when it comes to the unanswered questions about his son and what happened to him – answers he believes Terri Horman holds.”
No one saw Kyron actually leave the school however did anyone see Kyron outside by the truck as was reported during an interview and seemingly substantiated by Desiree and Kaine?
@rose
Thanks for the link to Guidestar. Intersting isn’t it. Officers have changed, they haven’t yet filed 2011 BTW. I still wonder about the figures they came up with. I mean the Godfather’s pizza event claimed $14K in donations alone.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/donations_top_85000_for_kyron.html
“If every person on the Missing Kyron Horman Facebook page bought a .99 cent lip balm, we’d raise more than $30,000 for Kyron,” she said. The page has more than 79,700 fans.”
http://www.katu.com/news/104248539.html
Maybe just me, but something doesn’t look right.
Is this for real? Or should it be taken with a grain of salt because it’s from a psychic board? Even when you start reading (and I don’t know who Sadie is or any of the others), it sounds like people up there were aware of a lot of things that maybe LE just didn’t follow up on (maybe because they were psychic?? IDK). Of course, nobody seemed to take the person with the search dogs very seriously either.
But it seems like reading this, the answer is way back there at the beginning and distance/time seems to be making things get colder/dimmer.
@T. Ruth says:July 29, 2012 at 10:59 pm
This is a cache from the one of the psychic boards, it is dated June 29, 2010. Now, I know this is from a psychic board, but, has anyone looked into this comment in regard to DAD? I mean, isn’t it weird that a fire fighter was being discussed waaaaaaay prior to the actual Durham/Dodds episode?
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HJnZeMUuNkgJ:missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D2%26t%3D69%26start%3D50%26st%3D0%26sk%3Dt%26sd%3Da%26sid%3D7b9da9488a652a0ad4ab3b2cd92cb0ea%26view%3Dprint+&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
lyla says:
July 30, 2012 at 3:13 pm
@erose says:
July 29, 2012 at 2:31 pm
(snipped) “I agree, and if he is letting her see their child, which I think is possible and have read the rumors, what does all of that say about what is really going on here”?
lyla says:
July 29, 2012 at 12:41 am
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Really, do we know KH is not letting her have “supervised” visits?
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Could be he’s done a turnaround and believes she’s told all she knows. jmo
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I have great difficulty believing that Kaine would be doing that. He renewed the RO, he said he supports Desiree’s civil suit, and Terri’s face is so familiar and her movements so likely to be observed by someone that it just seems like too big a secret to keep. In fact, in spite of the silence she has kept, I think Terri herself would have a hard time not letting others know if Kaine had changed his thinking.
I suspect Houze and Bunch would not be at all happy about that without a court approved written parenting/visitation plan which can’t be done unless the abatement ends. Both Terri and Kaine would be on really shaky ground, IMO, with the court, their attorneys, the public, LE contacts, and just about anyone else I can think of.
Regardless of rather you think allowing Terri to see Kiara is the right or wrong thing to do, IMO, secret visitations outside the watchfulness of the court and attorneys (including appropriate psychological exams) could be potentially harmful to Kiara’s welfare.
That is what I meant a few of my posts back, about the window being wider. Consider NO ONE saw Kyron leaving and he was last seen around 9, but was not reported missing until 3:30. Kyron could have been on school grounds for several hours, as could SZ. If suspects are being eliminated because they have a 9ish alibi, then perhaps the day long alibi of the people inside of that school should be re-examined, along with when they left and what they left with.
VLH says:
July 30, 2012 at 7:30 pm
@T.Ruth –
As much as I hate typing this. When I hear that no one saw Kyron leave, my logic jumps straight to: No one saw him leave because he was concealed or inside of something. I remember reading theories early on that maybe he was snatched into the bathroom and contained. Hurts my heart writing that.
BTW, there were 300 +/- people there, and NO ONE saw him leave. How could that be?
Amy, I have asked this same question repeatedly, but nobody responds. I’ve also watched (many times) the interview where Desiree talks about someone “very credible” seeing Kyron outside by a truck with someone in it… somehow this doesn’t seem all that important to most, wish I knew why.
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Amys Sister says: July 30, 2012 at 10:37 pm
No one saw Kyron actually leave the school however did anyone see Kyron outside by the truck as was reported during an interview and seemingly substantiated by Desiree and Kaine?
@Amy’s Sister. Staton said to CNN in the link I posted Kyron was not seen outside after Terri left him inside.
SZ was a slick sickoo.
@TRuth. With a 6 month extension (the norm, imo) 2011 isn’t due yet.
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T. Ruth says:
July 30, 2012 at 4:28 pm
No one, not one person has reported seeing Kyron leave that school. (Even the infamous SZ was seen with Kyron in the school, not leaving with him according to Blink.) To me, that means Kyron could have gotten ticked off at someone and started walking home, or Kyron could have wandered out the open back or side door and into the woods, and then be abducted by someone. Maybe he did leave the school on his own. Maybe whomever abducted him, told him to. Maybe he didn’t get as far as the druggies house down the street. (And did we ever hear just why that guy was headed toward the school?) Maybe he made it as far as the little store and someone abducted him there. How is it a little guy can walk out of that school either alone or with another person and no one sees him, not even one of his buddies. Two years later I still wonder if someone in that school somehow incapacitated him and stuffed him into some sort of container, which they simply wheeled out of the school later in the day.
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T.Ruth, below are 3 comments that I saved. I believe the first two go together due to date/time, but I did not go back and check. The third comment was from the OL. The link provided is to the Portlands Custodians Civil Service Board minutes from 04-15-2010, I believe Skyline is in District 1.
1. Twinkletoes says:
June 11, 2010 at 9:52 am
And I think it would be super easy to lure a little guy like him out to a car or to the woods to show him more frogs. But wouldn’t someone have seen this?
It just seems that the only possibility of no one seeing what happened to this little guy involves an unfortunately timed trip to the bathroom and a predator waiting to conceal him and remove him from the premises.
If he wasn’t concealed, then someone would have seen him leave. I went to a k-8 school and my kids have gone to a k-8. By the time you are in 2nd grade, everyone knows you. Someone would have seen him leave. Wouldn’t they?
Not if he was “in something”, and sadly, not if nobody is looking.
There is only one way in and out of the school, and there are no cameras.
The likelihood that this is an employee or volunteer of this school is very high, I am choking myself out of not just coming out and saying “the suspect is the man that has not been on the job since early this week.”
I despise these cases. I did not know when I went on my rant about pedophiles on Dana’s show last week, it was prophetic.
B
1. ClassyGal says:
June 11, 2010 at 11:50 am
Sorry Blink……. HERE is the link to the staff members…
http://www.skylinek8.org/?q=/directory
Thank you Classy, I should have clarified as you could not see Twinkletoes post, I was looking for staff not on the roster, but the maintnence staff, which is not employess of the school, but at outside property mgt. group.
B
March 19, 2012 at 9:44PM
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Eagle, while I was searching for an old link to the name of the missing janitor, I came across the meeting minutes file for PPS in the month of APRIL 2010, 2 months before Kyron vanished from Skyline School. I think maybe it should raise some eyebrows in who was inside the schools that maybe shouldn’t have been. And it appears the higher ups were aware of the problem nearly 2 months earlier. What do you make of this, as far as why PPS went into CYA mode?
Mr. Olson said the majority of violations concern non-civil service custodians working in the buildings, and how they are being deployed throughout the district. Mr. Olson explain how several spreadsheets compared information from Districts 3, 4, and 5, showing where all non-civil service were assigned. He notes that all non-civil service employees are part-time. He also said that the spreadsheets indicate schools which have only non-civil servants in the buildings by themselves at night, which he believes is in violation of the law. He indicated that there appears to be several instances of 8 hour days and/or 40 hours weeks which are being assigned to multiple non-civil service in these facilities.
and a little further down this statement is made: Ms. Davis questioned Mr. Fish’s interpretation of the statute, stating she believed there was a paragraph in the first section of the civil service statute which said that the school district should not attempt to circumvent the law.
What was really going on with who was on campus’ when children were present?
(link: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/Department-CCSB/04-15-10_CCSB_Mtg_Draft_Minutes.pdf)
@TRuth.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/donations_top_85000_for_kyron.html?mobRedir=false
it looks like much of the money in 2010 went to an mcso controlled BoAm fund to offset mcso expenses.
If you want an accounting FOIA mcso’s BoAm account record expenditures.
Interesting Pyper’s “children” saw Kyron at Sci Fr just before his disappearance. So imo did many other children and adults. So mcso should have a moment to moment plot or visual of his steps that morning including who he was with at each reference point if their interviewers had minimal competence.
@Rose says:
July 30, 2012 at 8:12 pm
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no abductor could operate or succeed but for the negligence of PPS staff in their failures to implement PPS’ own policies and procedures from 8:50-3:30 on the part of multiple personnel.
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I agree 100%. But, let’s suppose all the securities were in place as they should have been. 1) All but one door (the monitored one) would have been locked. 2) All visitors would have had to check into the front office and receive a color coded name tag. 3) Ms. Porter would have taken attendance when class first started after first bell and said attendance record would have been transmitted to the office, where office staff would have made phone calls to the contacts of absentee children. 4) A second attendance would have been taken after the chaperone returned the children assigned to him/her back to the class, (which TP’s testimony pretty much says was noted, and that should have alerted Porter, but it didn’t because of some alleged confusion on her part). (Am I missing anything? They didn’t have security cams then.)
So here’s a thought, if all these things had been followed, could a SZ still have removed Kyron from that school? IMHO, yes, absolutely. Any time you invite the public to a school event, there’s a chance of a someone being a bad guy. Heck maybe even the bad guy is one of the staff or vendors, and simply took advantage of June 4th’s unnecessary chaos, but the timing would have been so different. Kyron would have only been missing for maybe an hour or less before people started to look for him instead of 6 or 7 hours later. A lockdown could have been done immediately and all name tags matched with who was on the list. LE would not have had to come up with a TF list, because the secretary would have the name of everyone that was there that was given a badge. She also would have had face to face contact with each of them.
It’s sad none of this happened, and IMO, it is very negligent on the schools’ part, even though Kyron may have been removed anyway, it could have resulted in a much better outcome.
Speaking of unnecessary chaos, I wonder if the doors were purposely left open by someone at the school that day? Did Skyline have a science fair/talent show the year before? Did they issue badges then? Were the teachers told they didn’t need to take attendance until 10:00 a.m., or was that just Ms. Porter’s decision? Would be interesting to know, but then…..PPS is not talking.
@T Ruth
Early in this case I saw Bill Tandy’s FB
It disappeared shortly after
As so much has
I don’t understand how all the time they say if you put anything on the Internet it is forever
But in this case it disappears
He didn’t have a lot on his page but it was him with a pic
@T Ruth
Also if you search SMonkeys you will find some research on Bill Tandy
I can’t remember the poster now
It was a long time ago
@T Ruth
The major problem was there was some interesting
Stuff in the early days but everyone was so sure that Terri
Did it That it floated by un noticed
And now is very hard to find
I read that forum until they banned Sadie and I was booted for asking about her. I communicated with her (Sadie) via email and I don’t believe she’s TH.
Someone please help me out here….. I thought Kyron was seen OUTSIDE the school with SZ and that it’s known he left with SZ but that SZ has not been identified. ??? I’ve also seen references to a person asking Kyron to help them with “something” but can’t find the original post. Anyone……?
@erose says:
July 31, 2012 at 12:12 am
“BTW, there were 300 +/- people there, and NO ONE saw him leave. How could that be?”
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There was no particular reason for anyone to be paying attention to him….just my thought.
@MockingbirdSings
(snipped) “I have great difficulty believing that Kaine would be doing that. He renewed the RO, he said he supports Desiree’s civil suit, and Terri’s face is so familiar and her movements so likely to be observed by someone that it just seems like too big a secret to keep. In fact, in spite of the silence she has kept, I think Terri herself would have a hard time not letting others know if Kaine had changed his thinking.”
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Makes sense…thanks.
@January says:
July 31, 2012 at 3:48 am
“Amy, I have asked this same question repeatedly, but nobody responds. I’ve also watched (many times) the interview where Desiree talks about someone “very credible” seeing Kyron outside by a truck with someone in it… somehow this doesn’t seem all that important to most, wish I knew why.
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Amys Sister says: July 30, 2012 at 10:37 pm
No one saw Kyron actually leave the school however did anyone see Kyron outside by the truck as was reported during an interview and seemingly substantiated by Desiree and Kaine?”
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The only time I know Kyron could have been seen outside the truck is when all three (Ky, TH & Kiara) arrived at the school. Desiree nor KH said what time that was in the interview.
@T.Ruth
(snipped) “A lockdown could have been done immediately and all name tags matched with who was on the list.”
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So everyone was wearing a name tag including Kyron?
lyla says:
July 31, 2012 at 7:35 pm
@T.Ruth
(snipped) “A lockdown could have been done immediately and all name tags matched with who was on the list.”
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So everyone was wearing a name tag including Kyron?
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@lyla – I believe this was what could have happened had things been done right and according to policy. If people did not check in, they were not wearing a name tag. It is unlikely any kids wore nametags although we used to have students, parents, or other guests who were working as hosts or leaders in some way wear nametags we made for them.
All PPS staff and substitutes had and still have PPS picture ID nametags which they are required to wear anytime they are on district property whether it is their own worksite or not. Mine had a barcode on it which could be used to get information from human services if needed – I assume they all do. These had expiration dates and needed to be renewed or replaced if lost. Even at that, people didn’t always have them on their person or they would wear them on a belt or hanging lose and turned the wrong way (which always annoyed me since a visual connection helps me remember names).
So I would say all staff should have had picture ID visible on their person – the principal’s job to enforce. Anything else was probably at the mercy of the secretary or a committee if that was how the SF was planned. Having personally bought many packages of nametags to use at school when I couldn’t get them for an event any other way, someone may have done that, but I wouldn’t bet on it. I’m sure LE knows the answer from looking at photos and videos of the SF.
Every adult in the building SHOULD have had a nametag and signed in, but it doesn’t appear anyone asked for that to happen. I’ve never wanted kids names to be on them unless it’s an activity in an enclosed area with assigned staff – it’s just too easy for someone to talk as if they know the child and the child doesn’t remember the name is visible on their jacket, lunchbox, backpack, sweater, etc.
lyla says:
July 31, 2012 at 7:26 pm
@January says:
July 31, 2012 at 3:48 am
“Amy, I have asked this same question repeatedly, but nobody responds. I’ve also watched (many times) the interview where Desiree talks about someone “very credible” seeing Kyron outside by a truck with someone in it… somehow this doesn’t seem all that important to most, wish I knew why.
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Amys Sister says: July 30, 2012 at 10:37 pm
No one saw Kyron actually leave the school however did anyone see Kyron outside by the truck as was reported during an interview and seemingly substantiated by Desiree and Kaine?”
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The interview where it was said that Kyron was seen outside by the truck was an interview with Kaine and Desiree. So that statement was not substantiated by Kaine and Desiree but rather was made by Desiree.
The siting of Kyron by Kaines truck on June 4 in the morning as Desiree says in the interview where she mentions it that the siting would negate TH’s timeline. Since Terries timeline has pretty much been substantiated by receipts, FM cameras and a friend of hers from 24 hour fitness Andrera Lackey while there is probably some truth in the witness siting I think the siting is somewhat questionable at least as far as I am concerned.
I dont think people here are ignoring the siting its just that the siting and Dersirees words about it have already been discussed here at length many many times and since Blink has told us Kyron did not leave the school with TH then why would kaines truck have been in the parking lot after she left the school anyway.
Maybe it was a truck that looked like Kaines truck i have never heard of any mention of the license plate or any other unique identifying marks on said truck that would mean that it was for sure kaines truck.
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kaine-Horman–Desiree-Young-827-pt-2-kyron-horman-missing-portland-101688128.html
@MBS
There is no RO on the grandparents is there
Those people should be able to see Kiara
Why is everyone saying no one saw Kyron leave ?
I thought there were witness’s
If Stenson’s white truck was confused with TH’s white truck, then could Kyron have been sited near Stenson’s truck after TH left for FM. Didn’t he leave for Mexico right after? He would not be on the SF list, though clearly at school that day. Trouble is, he doesn’t seem to fit the profile.
@lyla. your quote of TRuth on name tags was from her hypothetical
of what could have occurred if the school implemented appropriate procedure,
not what occurred.
Malty says:
August 1, 2012 at 1:13 am
@MBS
There is no RO on the grandparents is there
Those people should be able to see Kiara
Why is everyone saying no one saw Kyron leave ?
I thought there were witness’s
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To my knowledge, there is no RO on anyone else. However, Kaine has full custody of Kiara so it is up to him to decide whether she sees anyone else – family or not. At the time of the divorce, if Kaine gets full custody, I believe they (as grandparents) can ask for visitation time but my understanding is that it is usually only granted if the grandparents have been heavily involved in a child’s life as caretakers. I doubt if a judge would be inclined to interfere with the parent’s decision. Of course, if Terri is involved in the future, then it would be up to her on her parenting time to allow that.
@Malty,
I’ve never heard of any witness saying they saw Kyron leave the school, with or without anyone else. Blink has told us Kyron was seen with SZ inside the school. Staton tells us Kyron disappeared from inside the school.
I believe it was TP who said he saw Terri leave sans Kyron. Okay I just found the interview it’s actually Wendy Furher TP’s grandma, who is quoted as saying that TP told her he also saw Terri leaving without Kyron. IDK, but I have no reason to not believe this little guy, however, he could have certainly been mistaken and saw a different truck leaving the school when he thought it was Horman’s, as we have heard no details from him about this account. (Like he watched her load the baby in her seat, etc.) He may very well have simply watched Terri go outside the school and maybe she didn’t leave at that time. (Blink has also told us that Kyron did not leave with Terri and that everyone, LE, KH & DY know this.)
I do believe TP’s account of the teacher and the sub/chaperone though, as well as passing Kyron in the hall and the “cool electric one”. I just don’t see him making that up.
Here’s the report captured on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAZ1FmHtcI
@MbS
(snipped) “Every adult in the building SHOULD have had a nametag and signed in, but it doesn’t appear anyone asked for that to happen. I’ve never wanted kids names to be on them unless it’s an activity in an enclosed area with assigned staff – it’s just too easy for someone to talk as if they know the child and the child doesn’t remember the name is visible on their jacket, lunchbox, backpack, sweater, etc.”
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Thanks for the info!!
If this is already here, I apologize, but I hadn’t seen it.
http://www.oregonlive.com/milwaukie/index.ssf/2012/07/former_sherwood_high_principal.html
Former Sherwood High principal faces new child sex-abuse charges — nine years after first conviction
A 41-year-old convicted sex offender — who resigned nine years ago as principal of Sherwood High School — is facing new charges of molesting a 12-year-old boy and possessing child pornography.
A judge in Multnomah County Circuit Court Monday raised Robert Paul Patton’s bail by $250,000 — to a total of $700,000. Judge Eric Bergstrom said he was raising Patton’s bail because it is “paramount” to protect the community. Bergstrom said he took into account the nature of the pending charges and Patton’s 2003 sexual-abuse convictions for taking a 16-year-old boy he’d met online to motels in Tigard and Tualatin for sex.
On June 13, police arrested Patton — of Milwaukie — on a first-degree sexual abuse accusation after a 12-year-old boy reported that in May 2011 Patton had slept in the same bed with him and gotten him to perform a sex act on him. A 15-year-old boy who was present confirmed that Patton and the 12-year-old were in bed and kissing, according to a probable-cause affidavit.
Patton and the boys met through “a facilitator,” who was 18 and has not been charged. Prosecutor Ryan Lufkin told the judge that the 12-year-old boy was victimized by Patton and two other men on different occasions. Those men also are facing sex-abuse charges.
(more @ link)
So why aren’t they naming the two other men?
@erose says:
August 1, 2012 at 2:24 am
“If Stenson’s white truck was confused with TH’s white truck, then could Kyron have been sited near Stenson’s truck after TH left for FM. Didn’t he leave for Mexico right after? He would not be on the SF list, though clearly at school that day. Trouble is, he doesn’t seem to fit the profile.”
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The GK was on the SF list. I do remember reading he did leave for Mexico shortly after the disappearance. Also, I believe DS white truck had “City of Portland” on the doors. Here is a revised timeline for DS:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100663409.html
If you go back on some of the news articles, I thought it was at the least coincidental he arrived at the school approximately the same time as TH and he left the school approximately the same time TH did. They both drove white trucks. I guess it was DS’s truck on the access road. Blink also said SZ was not on the list.
Read the whole article from August 13, 2010:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100663409.html
(snipped) “Investigators say they are still hoping to speak with anyone who was at the school the morning of June 4 and saw the truck that Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Horman, was driving and anyone who was in it or around it.
Investigators are still trying to identify that person in the Hormans’ truck and say that could be key information into Kyron’s disappearance.”
Would someone tell me why no one thinks Kyron left the school now
I am confused here
Snipped from the story of Patton’s first arrest in 2003:
http://blog.oregonlive.com/oregonianextra/2008/02/patton.html
Patton also showed the boy child pornography stored on a laptop computer, prosecutor Robert Hull said. The computer contained sexually explicit stories, including one depicting an encounter involving a principal, students and a school teacher.
(snipped, WTH…..?)
A former Sherwood High School principal was sentenced Friday to six months in jail, a year in a halfway house and a lifetime of registering as a sex offender.
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Hull said Patton, who had been Sherwood High’s principal since 2000, had won the public’s trust and should have been a pillar of the community.
Levine said Patton’s repressed homosexuality had left the man with the sexual maturity of a 16-year-old.
Levine described for the court how Patton would seek refuge in the Internet, where he sometimes would spend six hours a night messaging in chat rooms and downloading pornography.
Patton paid his penalty, the lawyer argued, when he lost his job and faced public and private humiliation.
“We don’t have to take a body that’s down and kick it,” he said.
Addressing the court, Patton said he took responsibility for his actions and apologized to the victim.
“I hope that someday he can forgive me, too,” said Patton, adding that it might be too much to expect.
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Yeah right. What in the world is going on in our schools?