Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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Also I still can’t get it why Keefer got a promotion
Can anyone remember where the information came about Terri speaking to Porter in a crowded gym? I can’t find it, maybe it was just a rumor. Wonder who started that one.
@Malty, From my understanding, their were witnesses that saw Kyron with someone (presumably SZ), but no one actually saw Kyron leave.
cd says: July 31, 2012 at 11:51 pm
lyla says: July 31, 2012 at 7:26 pm
erose says: August 1, 2012 at 2:24 am
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No reports have been made as to what car/truck Terri *left* the school in. Maybe she didn’t leave the school in the truck. Kyron could have walked out to the truck thinking Terri would be in it, and found somebody else instead. This person may have taken Kyron to Fred Meyer to meet up with Terri again, which could also explain why the truck was parked so far from the Fred Meyer entrance.
Breaking down the interview… The subject of the truck starts by the reporter saying… “Terri’s Truck” then Desiree says “Kaine’s Truck” and everybody laughs. At this point Desiree didn’t know what the reporters question was going to be. She just corrected the reporter about who owned the truck. Then the reporter says something like “what do you know about Kyron being seen outside by **A truck** with somebody in it.” To which Desiree confirms that there was **a very** credible witness to this. Kaine could have had his own reasons for not wanting to comment on it, such as LE asking them not to. This siting may have been substantiated by LE later, but kept under wraps (like everything else). My guess is, if this siting happened, the person in the truck was probably somebody Desiree knew was an aquaintence of Terri’s (DeDe?)… Which may be why she is so adamant that Terri knows something. Two senarios crossed my mind while listening to this interview.
1) A witness saw Kyron at Kaines truck when he and Terri arrived at the school, but noticed someone else in the truck besides Terri.
2) A witness saw Kyron at **a truck** (not Kaines) with somebody in it.
I would sure like to know at what time Kyron was last seen in the school. The logic that he did not leave with TH is LE’s documention of her whereabouts and time of his departure. But he certainly could have been out the door within 10-15 minutes after she left. Was someone waiting to make the move after she left?
@Rose, there were two different funds set up. The Kyron Horman Fund via BofA, money from which was to go to search & rescue. I personally donated to that one early on. As of September 2010, MCSO had not touched whatever money had accumulated, per Staton and he would be getting together with “the family” to decide what to do with it. Where is the accounting for that fund? Isn’t MCSO budget public? Then Kaine opened the Kyron Horman Foundation, $14k alone was raised at one pizza event in 2010 for that foundation. Where are the financials for all these other events? Who is auditing this stuff? Did anyone notice that the new officers on the foundation are each in a different state? WA, CA & OR. Nice write off for travel expenses, to meet with an officer. Just sayin’.
erose says:
August 1, 2012 at 2:24 am
If Stenson’s white truck was confused with TH’s white truck, then could Kyron have been sited near Stenson’s truck after TH left for FM. Didn’t he leave for Mexico right after? He would not be on the SF list, though clearly at school that day. Trouble is, he doesn’t seem to fit the profile.
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I thought Stenson’s truck was pulling a trailer with a riding mower for mowing the field. I don’t see how it could have been confused with another white truck if the trailer was attached. As common as these white pickups are though, I suppose there could have been one or more white pickups there in addition to Stenson’s and Kaine’s. I don’t know about everybody else, but I don’t really pay attention to the make and model of a white pickup unless it has some unusual feature.
I thought he dropped the trailer in the parking lot, with the cones placed around it, but I am getting confused, so don’t mind me.
MockingbirdSings says:
August 1, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Here are the two posts that lead me to my post:
cd says:
July 19, 2012 at 12:54 am
mas says:
July 18, 2012 at 7:43 am
***So back to Stensen, it was stated that Stensen parked in the main parking lot to obtain the gate key from inside the school and then returned it. Has this “been verified”?? Or just assumption?? His timeline changed to 8:45 to 9 (after what I assume, he could not verify where he was before his next job).
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I always thought that Stensen changed his timeline after talking to LE because the 8:45 timeline made the timeline that LE thought at the time (which implicated TH) somewhat implausible. So after further questioning and examination by LE Stensen rethought the time line to be more compliant with the one which LE had developed.
Well that and at the time LE was not so sure that was not TH truck. It did not fit.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/comment-page-22/#comments
Rose says:
July 28, 2012 at 12:44 pm
@Blink. Was Staton untruthful to CNN?
“never seen leaving the school”
“last seen inside the school”
“no evidence of an abduction”
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/oregon.missing.boy/index.html
no.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/comment-page-26/#comments
But Blink pretty much eliminated Stenson with this comment:
1. Stenson and the gate/lock- source please.
2. Stenson was well known on sight to many. SZ was not.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/comment-page-22/#comments
Stenson does not fit the profile, as I said, but I wondered if Kyron was outside talking to Stenson, which was what DY may have referenced and KH back pedaled on. Stenson admitted to seeing the children out by the planter, and maybe he even spoke to them, maybe even Kyron. That does not mean he took Kyron, but it might explain Kyron being in that area with someone in a white truck, which may have initially been mistaken for the Horman truck. Kyron may have been many places and interacted with more than one male adult.
@TRuth,
I remember the crowded gym comment, and would probably have to sift through some early comments to get to the source.
What did come to mind on your post regarding TP, is that his statement was discounted because he said something about a substitute, which some of us interpreted as a kid not knowing the word chaperone. Matt Shelby PPS Spokeman was the one to discount TP’s account. The story seems to be gone, but IR Shelby saying TP had the wrong day, because there was a substitute, the day before (?) Was Ms. Porter absent the day before the SF? Did Kyron have a substitute teacher the day before he disappeared?
@Malty. Were your kids in public? In my County every problem principal we had only left by promotion, generally to a Central Office type job (geographic area supt’s office in another part of County). imo Admin’s what Keefer will be promoted to after a couple years experience at that middle to broaden his resume, esp if he’s going for higher ed on side. Often problem principals are very personable & Admin likes them.
@January. I agree Desiree said “Kaine’s” fliply to point out he was owner of the family truck, not to id tge one Kyron was near.
@TRuth. The CA foundation officer was an Intel employee and personal friend of Kaine’s; probably someone the yearly trip was to, who wrote early on Terri’s Facebook a warm note asking what could they do. He also led or will lead a fun car factory/museum trip to Germany etc The WA foundation officer, iirc, was an attorney in Horman “homeland” area. IIRC one OR person was Intel employed. I remember one was a grandmother-age volunteer, and I assumed one of Kaine’s followers from the disappearance. Have you lookedthem up and can correct my vague memory? Certainly don’t think any are “independent”, except an attorney would have professional standards. A CPA signed the return. Were some of these funraisers after Dec 2010? Godfather’s may have had offsetting hefty expenses (was food supplied?) Does only the net have to go into the 990?
the handling of the BoAm fund. needs a small objective look-see by the State AG
June 6, 2010
In a press conference Sunday afternoon, a Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office spokesman now says Kyron Horman was last seen at “a late hour in the morning.” This raises questions about the 8:45 a.m. time released by the Sheriff’s Office in its press release about this case.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.20
@TRuth, @Malthy and All,
Start on page 1 of Scared Monkey’s to read the early articles on this case. Like Malty said, when everyone thought TH, maybe we missed something, like the above comment about the “a late hour in the morning.”
@TRuth, Maybe this is where it started. A comment on a story in The Portlander.
06-08-10
Comment of article above – posted 1 hour ago
snipped:
HollysGmom wrote
The teacher marked him absent because his step-mom told her in a crowded gym that he had an appointment….Terri now says the appointment was for the next week.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.80
Visitors to the school are assigned badges, but Portland Public School District spokesman Matt Shelby said it would have been difficult to assign a badge to each visitor among the friends and family members who attended a science fair Friday morning.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20007021-504083.html
FWIW, common link to KH case and PSU Scandal = Nike.
note the claim in thenext to last paragraph. I wonder if kids ever attended.
http://m.christianpost.com/news/ore-church-loses-in-500k-lawsuit-against-ex-member-who-made-bad-reviews-79205/
FYI – New article about Kyron’s case:
Snipped>>>
The Kyron Horman kidnapping is establishing legal precedent with every filing.
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-823006
I wonder if Jim Kelly or his neighbor who let the dogs out (Holms?) were able to identify the type of pickup? I’ve never heard LE say it was the same model or not. One would think if one thought it was suspicious or odd that the truck was there idling, that one would pay attention to what type of pick up it was, particularly in broad daylight in the afternoon sighting.
@Malty:
MockingbirdSings says:
July 5, 2012 at 4:05 pm
@Blink – Desiree’s comment in an on camera interview about Kyron being seen outside near the truck and he “saw it all and was involved” has been discussed many, many times, along with Kaine’s immediate comment that it was something which hadn’t been verified by LE yet.
Do you know if the “by the truck” sighting was ever verified as “true”, or was marked off the list as an “absolute no”?
Given that your statement in answer to Rose says: May 15, 2011 at 8:54 am:
I have seen pictures, several, that have never been published from inside the school that day. I am seriously not kidding when I say that there are a few young boys that bear such a strong resemblance to Kyron that I nearly was like- well here he is at (X oclock) so he could not have gone missing until then.
B (snipped)
If, on the other hand, the story is not true at all or it was another child that was seen outside, then that may free up a bit more of the timeline during which Kyron would have been at school.
I don’t know the information DY is referring to has been “verified” that it was Ky, or any other child. I can tell you that iirc, Desiree went on to say “Kaine’s truck” so she expressly implied that it was Ky, and it was outside of the truck TH was driving that day. So if that was her belief at the time, I can say that I am not aware that has ever been validated and I dare say that if it were, TH would have been arrested.
It does not jibe with what I know to be a verified timeline among multiple witnesses who saw Kyron exit the building with SZ. I wish DY had better advisors. I keep repeating myself.
B
Malty, I’m with you. This from Blink says multiple witnesses who saw Kyron exit the building with SZ.
erose says:
July 31, 2012 at 12:10 am
That is what I meant a few of my posts back, about the window being wider. Consider NO ONE saw Kyron leaving and he was last seen around 9, but was not reported missing until 3:30. Kyron could have been on school grounds for several hours, as could SZ. If suspects are being eliminated because they have a 9ish alibi, then perhaps the day long alibi of the people inside of that school should be re-examined, along with when they left and what they left with.
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I think you could be right about a larger window. Without us knowing what other times Kyron was seen it’s hard to tell. I am still wondering why LE specifically asked Tyler not to mention what time he saw Kyron in the gym without Terri. Like Blink says, it’s apparent they have not been able to identify SZ, but they can’t even tie Terri to another person being there that day. I’m sure by now, they know every little thing about her and then some. If no one saw Kyron leave, what do they have? So why are they only looking at Terri Horman, or are they? Maybe they should be asking for an alibi at 3:30 p.m. or whatever time it was that Kelly saw the idling truck?
Maybe they have, IDK.
January says:
August 1, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Possible I guess, but how did Terri get to Fred Meyers if someone else drove her truck away? Switch cars at the school?
The flyer that shows the FM parking spaces, does anyone else find it odd, that one picture says *looking from where Terri parked* and the other store says *looking at Terri’s parking space*. Why would they show the *view from where Terri parked*, when they are asking if someone saw something in a certain spot? I thought that was really weird. Anyone figure out why they would do that? This is my take. I notice that there is only one car in that shot as well, I wonder if, that is one of the links we are missing. Is that the particular color and model of a car that they have listed as being at the school, either by someone’s camera or description of whom they parked next to, but no one has come forward as to ownership? Was this flyer an attempt to let this certain someone know (SZ) they know what kind of car they have? It’s the only thing that makes sense to me. (BTW, I’m terrible at car recognition, anyone know what that car is?)
Oooops, forgot my link to flyer:
http://thevig.portlandtribune.com/documents/efiles/081110_PressConferenceFlier.pdf
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/08/02/saying-goodbye-for-now-lung-cancer-ends-moms-valiant-fight-at-63/
TY beejay for this link to Ganim’s recommendations for effective journalism re ongoing sex crimes against juveniles investigations:
http://www.poynter.org/how-tos/newsgathering-storytelling/181753/sara-ganim-explains-how-she-develops-sources-gets-them-to-open-up/
These are also quintessential child protective services and Court custody eval social worker investigatory methods.
Imo Kyron’s case has suffered because since Pitkin left no (zero) journalist in Portland has the methods, the shoe leather, the determination, the personality and intelligence for this professional journalistic Modus operandi.
T. Ruth says: August 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm
It makes sense. Terri arrives at the school in Kaine’s truck. Dede (or someone else) arrives at the school in his or her own vehicle. The “other person” gets into Terri’s truck while Terri and Kyron are inside the school. Terri leaves the school and drives away in the other person’s car/truck. Kyron is seen with SZ inside school who tells him to go out to his step-mom’s truck. The other person waiting in the truck is known to Kyron so he believes what he is told and gets in. By this time Terri has left the school and is inside Fred Meyer with the baby. The other person waits in Kaine’s truck in the far lot of Fred Meyer with Kyron until Terri returns to it. The other person then gets into his or her car and leaves.
Early LE reports say they were looking for someone else who was seen in Terri’s truck:
“A witness or witnesses have come forward and provided us with information about a person or persons associated with that pickup truck. … By associated we mean in or in immediate proximity to that truck,” said Rod Underhill, Multnomah County’s chief deputy district attorney.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100455014.html
@erose. Matt Shelby’s “we couldnt do it at a sci fair” is full of it because if there was one entrance with a sign in table with 3 pta volunteers & alphabet divided lines as people walked in, as we pta moms have manned at much larger schools, it’d be easy peasy imo. one of my big regrets is no one is holding Skyline staff and their supervisors to account for gross negligence. And it is a big question I have in my opinion wrt Kaine’s acter care of his son that Terri characterized him as a tight assed skinflint but he did not file that PPS suit for his son and all the children in PPS.
Kaine’s “after care” of the search, the case, sorry
@Rose
What is a problem principle and yes my kids went to public schools as did I
Are you saying Keefer was a problem solving principle
Or he was a problem due to how he did his job
@Erose
I question why Kyron left in a white pickup
Why not any car or truck out in the parking lot
Once he was out there
Just a thought
any local know the next hearing date for this Fed suit?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/05/whistle-blowing_lieutenant_sue.html?mobRedir=false
@Erose
I know he was seen by a white truck but he could have been taken by
Anyone driving any thing or walking or motorcycle or bike
Once he was outside
Just my mind working
Malty says:
August 1, 2012 at 1:13 am
@MBS
There is no RO on the grandparents is there
Those people should be able to see Kiara
Why is everyone saying no one saw Kyron leave ?
I thought there were witness’s
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@Malty
I may be wrong but I thought Kyron was seen with SZ near a door leading out of the school but Kyron was not seen actually leaving the school.
geeze louise. Here’s one Shrunk case and mcso investigation the Oregon State Bar investigated and righted.
I don’t understand that as a State Bar role, but imo
the Bar will only investigate based on an Oregon resident’s request.
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-2761-swimming_with_sharks.html
note the name Keith Krafve and also the poly use.
When DY said Kyron was going along with it or something like that
Kyron was going to see the cool one
Was the cool one out in the parking lot
My mind working again
one could substitute the names Rudy and Terri in that story.
Shrunk reminds me of JoePa’s fiefdom control plus longevity.
Whether it served the public interest is for history.
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Another question is does the school get a pass
If a child gets taken from the parking lot
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-2761-swimming_with_sharks.html
note comments about Krafve, who I believe is Kyron’s lead..
McIntyre speaks to a culture in Shrunk’s office that permeates Kyron’s case.
The bar complaint, that imo in my State would have resulted in serious sanctions,
was filed by the defense attorney.
imo Houze wouldn’t sacrifice his future DA relationship for same at this point,
but one understands why he’d take the case.
Kaine with his IT skills could have googled so much up on Mcso/DAs culture of
solving/prosecuting cases in 2010.
@patricia says:
August 2, 2012 at 12:09 pm
“snipped”
It does not jibe with what I know to be a verified timeline among multiple witnesses who saw Kyron exit the building with SZ. I wish DY had better advisors. I keep repeating myself.
B
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Rose says:
August 22, 2011 at 11:01 am
(snipped)
Rose, I have a description of whom Ky left with that is case sensitive, that is the only thing I have not disclosed already.
B
August 4, 2010 at 3:28 am
I am unaware of any confirmed report anyone saw Kyron leave through any door. B
lyla says:
July 28, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Rose says:
July 28, 2012 at 12:44 pm
@Blink. Was Staton untruthful to CNN?
“never seen leaving the school”
“last seen inside the school”
“no evidence of an abduction”
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/oregon.missing.boy/index.html
no.
B
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Now I’m really confused. The only thing I can figure here is in the earlier posts, this witness(s) had not come forward yet? So at the time Staton said the above, he was not being untruthful? Help.
In my experience, our school District defines a problem principal as one who cannot control either his school’s parents or his school’s staff, either one will do. Many principals can’t handle the whole challenging job. The principal may be very effective on many fronts, but has an achilles hell with either parents or staff. Usually, the principal is a leader with one of those two interest groups, but is very lax about the other. Soparents start having meetings and write the area supt about problems, or the staff do that. When the complains get too much from either group, a principal Admin likes gets promoted up. Just observations from my own social system. I have seen 3 el ed, two middle, and one HS promote up or out over the years. Being unable to handlestge trenches to a supervisor’s satisfaction (an area Supt) doesn’t mean the immediate supervisor and higher Administrators don’t want to place a grateful (for promotion) ally higher in the system.
I am of the opinion Keefer was personable, very lax with implementation of his own newsletter statement of policy/procedure on safety and with supervision of sign in and absence procedures, was popular with the pta, hired new and inexperienced (on probation) staff. Had turnover down to janitor’s level. It didn’t work for the school on safety issues. I don’t think their kids’ testing on State site as to some groups was much to write home about. Ideal candidate for promotion
re-reading, just call “hell” a F slip, not a typo,
@January says:
August 2, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Possible for sure. But if Terri Horman left that school in a different vehicle and someone saw her, and/or if someone else was seen leaving that school driving Terri Horman’s vehicle, then why isn’t she in jail for lying to police?
IDK, maybe this was what the flyers were all about, but maybe there was no witness to a car switch, just what LE came up with and needed someone to say they witnessed such an event???
Because the alternative, if they cannot identify the owner of one of the vehicles parked there that day, would mean it was a stranger, not necessarily to Kyron, but to everyone else at the school.
another scoop from kgw.
paired with most recent pic from gofundme site.
Therefore I infer it could be the suit publicist and
kgw’s anonymous source on the suit has been that site’s owner
oops, the kgw url
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-mother-fights-lawsuit-delay-164788256.html
@TRuth imo for LE to have more than one witness to whom Kyr left with but have no one see him in physical act of egress thru portal or outside ard not imo
inconsistent. Focus our energy on calls for transparency from MCSO to the public. Locals testify at their budget hearings imo.
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Motion+to+Abate+-+Response+and+Decl+8-2-12.pdf
I have not gotten past p 6 and the subpoena to depose James as Rosenthal’s first shot across the bow.
Gimme a break. Tit for tat on a minor son of Defendant not in the region for several montgs prior, and certainly can’t testify to the crime scene. Hello Bunch…. again, get Gerry Spence joint litigating this one. Rosenthal has a scorched earth approach, imo.
James has enlisted. I trust the Horman oldie who severely emotionally abused Christopher, per ‘Topher, is proud. Like any parent-type, I lament those IEDs’ potential for harm and the loss of a normal college life for a very bright lad now. And publicity anc pressure from bios and Roseburg Supports harassers that would be hard on any lad. Imo an 8 year substitute Dad whose son James cared for could and should have made college possible. Kaine owed this boy more morally imo.
Desiree’s attorney argues:
p11
“Plaintiff has waited two years to see if the criminal justice system
would produce answers regarding the disappearance of Kyron.
Plaintiff fears that the trail is niw becomg cold.”
Well. get a PI. Lobby to turn the case over to FBI. Cases get cold all the time. Do something productive fgs.
“Witnesses may die or disappear.”
Standard argument. Except he subpoenaed a NON-witness and did not subpoena actual witnesses to public knowledge.
p14
for “interest of public” he cites “safety of children in the public school system.”
Why has he got a stand-in defendant for PPS then?
“the public has a legitimate interest in learning the fate of Kyron Horman”
So far I’ve read no facts alleging Terri’s involvement other than Desiree’s “belief”
Get p 19.
Attachments: news articles with bio sources and an mcso the discredited in criminalcases.
fwiw
the BKH Foundation CA officer’s fall trip
(is the organizer of):
http://calautomuseum.org/Tour_Brochure.pdf
@Rose, I totally agree about the name tags. I just wanted to post the lame excuse given.
@Malty, I agree that he could have left in any vehicle, not necessarily a white truck.
In rereading some of the first articles posted over at SM’s I have to wonder (again) WTH happened that brought in the FBI, et al so quickly?
@erose says:
August 2, 2012 at 6:22 pm
(snipped)
@Rose, I totally agree about the name tags. I just wanted to post the lame excuse given.
@Malty, I agree that he could have left in any vehicle, not necessarily a white truck.
In rereading some of the first articles posted over at SM’s I have to wonder (again) WTH happened that brought in the FBI, et al so quickly?
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LE must have come to the conclusion there was evidence of a conspiracy to commit a crime against Kyron and thus called in the “feds”.