Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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any chance that DeDe dropped in at the science fair after driving a white truck over there? And maybe she is SZ?
“Despite defendant’s assertions that this civil litigation is simply a stalking horse for the Multnomah County District Attorney’s office – an assertion which plaintiff vehemently denies – ”
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Motion+to+Abate+-+Response+and+Decl+8-2-12.pdf
Interesting. Now I am beginning to wonder if MCSO is not in favor of this litigation, which could mean a lot of things, one of which being perhaps Desiree does not know everything LE knows and they perhaps haven’t been as open with her as she thinks. Hmmmm….just pondering.
I appolly I am just getting to these but I wanted to read. I note this should be seen as confirmation that this case resides with the DA. Why?
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@Lyla. evidence of a conspiracy is not a prerequisite, or even the most likely reason, Statin asked for FBI assistance.
his dept had few resources to investigate a boy taken from a school interior.
@RedR…Blink has mentioned she has a case sensitive description of SZ and has always referred to him as a male with a sexual motivation.
@Rose
(snipped)
“@Lyla. evidence of a conspiracy is not a prerequisite, or even the most likely reason, Statin asked for FBI assistance.
his dept had few resources to investigate a boy taken from a school interior.”
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Thanks Rose!
Latest from Desiree regarding civil suit.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Missing-Oregon-Boy/nRR91_DoOk-FwQesHuGkiQ.cspx
“Plaintiff herein respectfully suggest that Kaine and Terri Horman have reasons personal to themselves to be continuing abatement of the divorce proceedings not shared by plaintiff here. Terri Horman, of course, is happy to continue the abatement and not be required to make the decision to assert her right against self incrimination and she is undoubtedly pleased to halt all discovery in the divorce proceedings. Kaine Horman has retained custody of the couple’s daughter, and has no support obligations to Terri Horman. Kaine Horman has no reason to hasten the final divorce; the longer he retains custody of the couple’s daughter, the more likely it is that he will retain permanent custody.
Plaintiff does not criticize Judge Meisenheimer for issuing the initial six week abatement order. At the time the abatement order was issued Kyron had been missing only five months, and the interagency task force investigating his disappearance was still in place. The situation is entirely different now. Twenty-six months have elapsed and the task force has disbanded, no indictments have issued. The circumstances have totally changed, and abatement is no longer appropriate.”
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Motion+to+Abate+-+Response+and+Decl+8-2-12.pdf
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Hmmmm, two things one of the papers said the Task Force had met the day before Desiree’s news conference, so I wouldn’t call them exactly disbanded. But most importantly, it sounds like Desiree wants the Horman divorce abatement removed as well. Why? Does that make the divorce part of this lawsuit? I do believe Kaine got one thing right, the gloves are off.
Here’s an updated version from KATU regarding civil suit.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-motion-164785476.html
Is Lea in a position to to analyze this suit to date?
(not meaning to intrude on quality work or dog time, that is)
I am hopeful we can add that to the queue.
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erose says:
August 2, 2012 at 4:55 am
Stenson does not fit the profile, as I said, but I wondered if Kyron was outside talking to Stenson, which was what DY may have referenced and KH back pedaled on. Stenson admitted to seeing the children out by the planter, and maybe he even spoke to them, maybe even Kyron. That does not mean he took Kyron, but it might explain Kyron being in that area with someone in a white truck, which may have initially been mistaken for the Horman truck. Kyron may have been many places and interacted with more than one male adult.
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You could be right, but Kyron was said to be timid and unlikely to wander off, which leads me to think he probably didn’t go down to the soccer field or access road on his own to chat or by himself when everything else was going on inside. As Desiree said – why would he be outside?
From Stensen’s account, it still appears to me that he did not park in the parking lot and leave his truck and trailer there. Stensen had to “drive his truck and mowing equipment up on that gravel road to access the soccer field.” Also, “Stensen’s own truck, with a trailer on the back . . . “
It also never appeared to me that the children were close enough to talk to him. In the pictures of the Skyline School grounds, it looks like the field is on a lower level and it was wet and grass/weeds needed to be cut.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html
(snips)
Dave Stensen, a turf technician with the city of Portland, said he was not only at the school on the morning of June 4 but had to drive his truck up on that gravel road to access the soccer field he was mowing.
Stensen said he used the access road to get his truck and mowing equipment up to the soccer field like he always does.
“It seemed like just a pretty normal day,” he said. “It was kind of damp and wet. It had been wet for a while and the fields were hard to mow. (I) noticed that there was some children that came out the back door, and I thought, ‘please don’t come down and play soccer.’ But they came out and looked at some plants that were in the raised bed.”
Stensen’s own truck, with a trailer on the back, would have been parked in the area investigators are asking about, at least briefly, as he came and went that morning.
It would have been there on the way in, as he got out of the truck to unlock the padlock on the chain that allows him access to the field. It would have been on that road on his way out as he went behind the truck to put the chain back in place.
@MbS
It seem at one point in an interview with the GK he said he saw some kids outside looking at the flowers but he did not see Kyron. I’ll see if I can locate a link….some of the internet info seems to go “poof” after a period of time.
Well – I read the new filing beginning to end. Not being an attorney or a judge of legal writing, I personally think Rosenthal’s arguments are stronger, particularly for an Oregon case. It goes with my own previous opinion that at some point in time (now) Desiree’s legal rights will be denied to a greater extent than Terri’s.
Also reminded me of something I meant to write in a previous post and didn’t regarding the RO. The RO is an order of the court. Terri is responsible to the court for obeying it, not to Kaine. Even if he gave her “permission” to violate it, it would be the court’s responsibility to provide the consequences, which was why I said they would both be on shaky legal ground if they were secretly meeting or allowing visitation with Kiara.
James and the military – probably a good choice for him given the circumstances, but I sincerely hope that he has received some counseling before he goes. He could have gone to community college, taken online courses, and other academic options, but this way he will have some income and be out of a situation that cannot possibly be productive for him at this point. If Terri is still getting child support for him (quite possible), this will end it.
RedRose says:
August 2, 2012 at 6:53 pm
any chance that DeDe dropped in at the science fair after driving a white truck over there? And maybe she is SZ?
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Since blink has told us SZ is a male then I would say probably not.
Northwest Custom Electric in Vancouver WA installed wall thermostats in 60 portables in Evergreen School Distr in Vancouver per Bonneville Power Admin . p 6
http://www.bpa.gov/energy/n/emerging_technology/pdf/BPA_WEPT_Measure_Report-Final.pdf
Do these little electrical jobs happen in Portland elementary classrooms too?
Big electrical jobs do.
5 Portland publics to get solar electric, see this Energy Trust RFP (school diagrams included)
http://energytrust.org/trade-ally/updates-and-events/updates/PCS-RFQ_Community_Energy.pdf
top of p 18 Skyline’s Bonneville Foundation is mentioned (teaching kits, monitoring etc)
The EnergyTrust of Oregon funding is one of the 3 funding sources for Skyline per this website: http://www.solar4rschools.org/kiosk-skyline-school/node/966/about-partners
I’d like to know if Bonneville Foundation, the two funding sources Energy Trust of Oregon and Northwest Environmental Defense Ctr which includes Lewis & Clark staff and students, Solar4Schools staff & visitor teachers,
the electrical sub(s) companies, solar panel vendor, windmill vendor programmers, etc had all their employees associated with both solar & windmill projects screened for SOs?
Question for the mods….does it take longer to moderate the west coast as opposed to the east? Just wonderin’.
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from the MbS link above:
“Investigators are talking to Stensen and checking his information against what they’ve gathered. ****They say they find him credible.***”
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JMO, but that speaks volumes. Who the heck else have we heard them say that about?
Kinda’ interesting that we now know James has been served for deposition, but no mention of anyone one else. Did anyone from the school get served? Terri’s folks? It doesn’t mention anyone else at all in the court documents we’re seeing today. Why are we only seeing part of the story here? Or is this it?
Comments from here today, grain of salt as usual:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-motion-164785476.html
portlandborn83 100 pts
@Dienekes4160 No, but to add more information to this; someone found a usb stick at walmart in springfield that had pictures of kyron and other kids at some place that looked like sauvie’s island on it…
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@portlandborn83 Where are you guys getting this information??? Let us know so we can read it too…this really intrigues me now!
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@Bewitchin1 Someone I know found the usb stick and it thus has not been publicized or mentioned anywhere…
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@portlandborn83 So…what? They turned it over to LE? Or did they “find” the stick and looked at it and just hung on to it???
@Rose says:
August 2, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Me too.
again, noticing more: http://energytrust.org/trade-ally/updates-and-events/updates/PCS-RFQ_Community_Energy.pdf
Skyline mentioned bottom p 27/top p 28. Apparently the shrimpy electrical output windmill rules out a Skyline solar installation in this project. Too bad.
the real stinger is on p 37. Part of the RFP is preference for bidders with “formerly incarcerated” hirees (diverse work force) and also with newbie apprentices.
And this is for elementary school installations.
PPS has learned nothing.
Since Skyline was the original PPS solar pilot, and the same go-green do-gooding funders and planners retrofitting these el eds with solar was in the lead on Skyline and are also funding these RFP schools, I bet that diverse workforce to include the formerly incarcerated was part of the Skyline RFP as well.
June 4 & 5 2010
Asked if the FBI typically gets involved in a missing person’s case, he said no. In this instance, they are involved “because they care.”
By changing the search to a Major Crimes Team investigation, the sheriff’s office can draw on resources from the Portland Police Bureau, the Gresham Police Department, the Fairview Police Department, the Oregon State Patrol and the FBI.
From the comment section of this article: http://www.katu.com/news/local/95669809.html#idc-cover
Quote by KittysAunt:
I am good friends with the missing boy Kyron and I need to fill in some blanks for your posters. Kyron lives in a marvelous home and is taken care of by two wonderful parents. He has a baby sister and an older brother and loves his stepmom dearly. There is nothing but support for him at home and this is a terrible shock that has happened. Stop turning everything into a CSI story line. What they didn’t say is that Kyron’s backpack and jacket were found in his classroom, so the something fishy is coming form the school who never reported him missing. The children pointed out to the teacher that Kyron was missing and she never called his parents. I am worried sick and the last thing anyone needs to do is point at the parents … this time, the school dropped the ball and a child is out in the darkness possibly alone or possibly abducted. Keep your facts straight before you start the witch hunt. Kyron’s Portland Aunt
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.0
@Rose
Thanks for the Keefer update
I have seen many poor workers in my job get promotions to lead or supers
Also
So I can relate
Terri spent time at Skyline
And in her claimed venting and ranting
Maybe she called someone a SO
So Dy thinks she knows this guy but won’t give him up
Another thought
@Malty. I didn’t call Keefer a poor worker. I have no idea how he conducted his job in any area except for apparently lax procedural security that didn’t implement rules he published in the Eagle and lax attendance procedures. How he dealt with staffing, curriculum & instruction is unknown to me. He could have been exemplary. Parents and the pta liked him. As in many similar demographic schools which depend heavily on parent fundraising, sometimes parent cliquesget too much control imo. idk here. But special interests like the green team appear to have been laxly supervised. And several “never taught before/first job” were hired at the same time. A lot to supervise and train. And parent volunteers like Terri “teaching” in the classroom raise question marks to me.
I just responded when you asked how he could get a promotion. It was either exemplary service and promotion potential or lack of control of aspects of the school. Two ends of a spectrum. Imo after Kyron’s abduction he was gonna be out of there in a year regardless of his performance. But when he was promoted, I posted urls from PPS demonstrating he was a popular principal the Central Office relied on (ie skit for principals’ mtg conducted with an Admin ) on a fast track up before the incident.
@erose. On a more cynical note, when Staton said the FBI is here because it “cares” remarks the first days, the (newly arrived to Portland from California) Field Office Director was by Staton’s side at the televised press confs and in media pictures showing his concern in person. It was a promotion for him to a “terrorism” city. His portfolio included getting cooperation agreements from local government with the FBI in a politically touchy situation. And some defense attorneys might say he conducted some terrorism investigations by entrapment. His prior work was in drug cases with DEA. Imo a reason he used agencies and methods he was familiar with in this case. I would not be surprised if the sting wasn’t his idea. Regardless, the case in early days was a dream chance to get great publicity for the FBI Field Office standing side by side with Staton. iirc he’s no longer in Portland. His tenure was controversial, and I think a seasoned “terrorism expert” from Chicago took over
Rosenthal bringing up the inappropriate extension of the abatement of the divorce in his documents makes me think that that Desiree Young still thinks that this is about custody and an ongoing war between Kaine & Terri. I think she thinks that Terri took Kyron and “stashed” him somewhere and that she had help in doing so. This comment, could this have been referring to something Kaine was doing in his divorce action? (I always thought it was something much more, but now I’m not so sure.):
“I personally have learned of information lately that has disappointed me in Kaine’s choices in his behavior, and I can’t just stand by and support the choices he’s making,” she told The Today Show.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Kaine-Horman-not-surprised-by-Desirees-comments/h1XMdEq-0EOmn1Fggz0L-A.cspx
Was this right after the first Kaine agreed to the first divorce abatement?
The pleadings of both Counsel do seem
to confirm the case is in the hands of the MCDA.
By confirming, doesn’t Rosenthal undercut his argument
there is no present criminal jeopardy?
What do we know, if anything, about the lead detective in this case, Robert (aka Bob/Bobby) O’Donnell? Rose, have you posted about him and I’ve just missed it? Just curious, I’m not finding much of anything out there about him at all.
T. Ruth says:
August 3, 2012 at 11:30 am (snipped)
Rosenthal bringing up the inappropriate extension of the abatement of the divorce in his documents makes me think that that Desiree Young still thinks that this is about custody and an ongoing war between Kaine & Terri. I think she thinks that Terri took Kyron and “stashed” him somewhere and that she had help in doing so.
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Could be, but maybe she is just tired of Terri getting her way. The abatement could have been for 2 full years from the beginning. I don’t know why the judge set it for shorter periods at a time. Maybe he had doubts about whether it should have been granted and hoped they would get on with the proceedings. The Multnomah County rule says any case can be abated for 2 years with “good reason”. I’m still not clear whether it can be continued after that 2 year period – I guess we will find out in August.
I rather enjoyed the part where Rosenthal comments that of course she can defend herself – if she knows nothing, she can say so.
@Rose
When I wrote poor workers I was putting it simple
Usually they are rule breakers
When promoted to boss they are usually real tough on everyone else
To shut and obey
I never understood it Here or there
But I wish Keefer had stayed at least another year
Just seems right to me
Somehow I missed James going into the Military
But I hope he can get on with life
I spent plenty of time hanging at Powell’s myself
But I think he should have been in school with his peers
Enjoying being a teenager
Kristle Vandever, a former English as a second language teacher in Oregon, has lost her teaching license for engaging in sexual activity with “one or more students” and providing underage students with alcohol. But now, some are wondering why she’s not in jail.
A report out by the state of Oregon reveals that the 44-year-old educator at McNary Heights Elementary violated five major codes for teachers during her career. She resigned in May 2010 amid a district investigation, though her license wasn’t officially revoked until last month, the Hermiston Herald reports.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/kristle-vandever-oregon-t_n_1738632.html
From what I can tell on the FBI site, the CARD Team is an indication that the FBI believes the potential of an abduction by a SO by day 3.
The FBI is bringing in members of its Child Abduction Rapid Deployment team as searchers move into the third day without a sign of a 7-year-old boy last seen at a Skyline Elementary science fair.
Story Published: Jun 6, 2010 at 10:55 AM PDT
FBI Spokesperson Beth Anne Steele, in Portland, said the CARD team members are experts on finding missing children. A description on the FBI website says “CARD Teams are primarily involved in non-family child abductions, ransom child abductions, and mysterious disappearances of children.”
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.20
In addition to their unique expertise, CARD Teams are capable of quickly establishing an on-site command post to centralize investigative efforts and operations. Other assets they bring to the table include a new mapping tool to identify and locate registered sex offenders in the area, national and international lead coverage, and the Child Abduction Response Plan to guide investigative efforts.
CARD Teams are primarily involved in non-family child abductions, ransom child abductions, and mysterious disappearances of children. They work with state and local law enforcement to protect and save the lives of innocent children.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/cac/card
In 1932, Congress gave the FBI jurisdiction under the “Lindbergh Law” to immediately investigate any reported mysterious disappearance or kidnapping involving a child of “tender age”—usually 12 or younger. And just to be clear, before we get involved there does NOT have to be a ransom demand and the child does NOT have to cross state lines or be missing for 24 hours.
Our field offices respond to cases involving the mysterious disappearance of a child whenever and however they come to our attention. All reports of circumstances indicating that a minor has or possibly has been abducted are afforded an immediate preliminary inquiry.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/cac/non-family-abductions
The FBI was called in very early on in the investigation. The have since posted an alert at FBI.gov to warn Americans that Kyron is in danger. The FBI has also brought in a profiler, along the lines of the popular TV show Criminal Minds. Not something you’d expect the FBI to do if they believed that Kyron was simply missing in the woods or taken by a family member.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.80
I really wish this case had been investigated in an orderly fashion
First the parents then everyone else
Or was it
I hate picking on LE
@Erose
Thank you for reviewing SM
I think good info fell threw the cracks early on
I find this response so interesting. Sounds to me like Desiree is not *in cahoots* with the DA after all. Sounds to me like she is tired of waiting for the investigation to progress. (Can’t say as I blame her.) I’m now wondering if she’s trying to force the DA’s hand? MCSO & the DA would not comment when asked what they thought of the lawsuit and neither would Rosenthal when he was asked if they had been informed and what they thought.
So. the meeting the TF had the day before, wonder how that went down. Maybe LE really doesn’t have anything, anything at all and they just said “you go girl, and better luck than we had”.
Wow, can’t wait for some more educated opinions on this one. Blink was sure right when she said this case would set precedents. Has there ever been a missing child case where a parent issued a civil suit on someone that the parent thought was a POI? I mean, that’s all Terri is in this regard, she is Desiree’s *person of interest*. I can understand her suing the school for negligence, but I don’t get this at all. In effect, isn’t Desiree taking over the investigation if this suit goes forward? Blows my mind. (Doesn’t take a strong wind LOL)
For instance, what would have happened if Susan Powell’s parents, Chuck & Judy Cox had instigated a civil suit against Josh Powell, because they had a gut feeling he was the murderer of their daughter and asked the court to compel him to give up the information of her whereabouts. Where does that leave the criminal investigation? I don’t follow many cases, so it’s probably not a great example, but is this lawsuit going to set new precedence in every missing person case and is it good, or is it bad for our criminal investigation process to have a civil lawsuit spring up when the criminal investigation is still in process and there have been no indictments?
Lea where are you?
@Blink says
T. Ruth says:
August 2, 2012 at 7:20 pm
No apolly necessary. You have other things on your mind and you will for a while. Totally, understandable, at one point I used to think I was having absence seizures, but I was just terribly missing someone absent. Hugs.
This kind of thing just pisses me off. Who in the hell hurts a little boy and takes a child away from his mama?
Here are some big “if’s” to play with -
IF the “authentic” (Desiree’s word) witness(es) was correct about seeing Kyron outside by the truck, and
IF that witness(es) was able to give any description of the person who was seen at or in the truck, and
IF we have (presumably) different witnesses who saw SZ with Kyron inside the school and offered a description of any kind, and
IF we put those descriptions together, then
would we see they COULD be the same person?
And – in what order did these 2 observations occur? I’m assuming that IF the truck was Kaine’s truck, it would have to be either before she left, or she left in a different vehicle, or she came back. (And where was the truck parked – or was it not parked at the time?)
IF this sighting turned out to be in error, can we know that so we don’t keep wondering about it?
And – why did the reporter know about the truck/person/Kyron incident BEFORE she started questioning about it (it certainly wasn’t a “prearranged by Kaine” sort of question and I don’t recall it coming up in any other interview)?
And IF the reporter knew about the sighting in advance, why did the reporter still do such a poor job of asking the questions about it?
Makes you wanna go “hummmmmm”.
Thinking about this timeline – hopefully, I have the order right:
June 1st – Desiree files her civil suit.
July 5th – Terri is notified that James is scheduled to be deposed July 24th (early because he is going into the military – no date given for that). I assume James also received a subpoena on his own since he is 18.
July 18th – news reports indicate that Terri is responding with a motion to prevent James from being deposed.
July 25th – Terri’s attorney files motion for 2-year abatement of the civil case.
August 3rd – Desiree’s attorney opposes the abatement (and mentions that Terri was notified on July 5th that James was scheduled to be deposed on July 24th because he’s going into the military).
August 15th – News reports indicate a hearing is scheduled. (The Multnomah County rules require that a case management hearing be set for civil cases within a given time limit. All motions are supposed to be dealt with at that time.) Therefore, based on that and the wording of Rosenthal’s filing on August 3rd, we can assume James was not questioned on July 24th and the decision on Terri’s motion to prevent that will be made on August 15th along with all the other decisions relating to the case at that time.
I am wondering –
Who told them James was going into the military? It appears he would not have been subpoenaed so early if they had not known he was planning to leave – particularly since there is a pending motion for abatement. Serving subpoenas costs money, as do depositions and filings.
When did he enlist?
Was Terri hoping that leaving for boot camp would effectively keep James off the potential witness list without having to file a formal motion? Would it, or could someone(s) fly to wherever James goes for training and do it there?
NOTE: These dates are (to the best of my knowledge) based on actual court papers linked through news reports and the Multnomah County rules.
http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/docs/CourtRules/SLR2012EffectiveFebruary1.2012.pdf
teacher allegedly molested 8 yo male in his school’s bathroom
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/headlines/20120730-teacher-arrested-for-alleged-indecency-with-a-child-in-dallas-isd-restroom.ece
http://www.jailbase.com/en/arrested/tx-dc/2012-07-27/enio-wissel-12050628
married and took wife’s last name?
http://marriagesintexas.com/2003/086713.html
she lives in Corvallis?
http://www.mylife.com/c-1399489889
Does PPS have k-8 art teachers?
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/160.htm
PS Mrs Porter is now K-1. The most technically important job (to the kids) in the school imo.
T. Ruth, I like your thoughts on the “potential” strategy by LE in DY’s suit. What have THEY got to lose? My heart aches for Desiree every single day.
I know a link to the recent FL sicko puppeteer pedo bust was posted somewhere here on BOC, but here’s a detailed article on the nightmare it has started to untangle. I had just eaten breakfast this AM then found this on the computer–I lost breakfast after reading this. Dear Lord, how can there be so much dementedness in this world? ((snipped))…The oldest victim in the Netherlands was 4, the youngest just 19 days old. Massachusetts U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz, whose office prosecuted Diduca, said the demand for photos of sexual assaults of young children, including babies and toddlers, has increased sharply in recent years….((snipped)) Bless the international investigators that have to go through these images.
http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/11391797/
Continuing healing thoughts to Ms. Blink and loved ones. We lost my Daddy suddenly at 80 in December….still surreal and missing him madly.
Hugs from NC
I think DY is in angry-mama-bear mode; I think she’s fed up with obscure keeping-our-facts-close-to-the-vest as well as we-can’t -violate-TMHs- rights. The verbiage of how time affects a case is as appropriate and compelling as the secrecy and closed mouths/lack of information we’ve seen to this point. She wants information — a fresh set of sharp minds to review facts and depositions. She wants to know what happened to her child. Moving beyond what she’s been allowed to see/read/hear from LE, I think her grief is moving into a new stage.
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T. Ruth says:
August 3, 2012 at 7:09 pm
I find this response so interesting. Sounds to me like Desiree is not *in cahoots* with the DA after all. Sounds to me like she is tired of waiting for the investigation to progress. (Can’t say as I blame her.) I’m now wondering if she’s trying to force the DA’s hand? MCSO & the DA would not comment when asked what they thought of the lawsuit and neither would Rosenthal when he was asked if they had been informed and what they thought.
Desiree wants Kyron back. Terri had Kyron, Terri lost Kyron on purpose. Terri is the one with the answers, that’s why Desiree is suing Terri and not the school. A waste of Desiree’s time to go after the school, she doesn’t care about money, she wants her baby back! Desiree is going to the source of this crime, TERRI!
@Kat. with all respect, Desiree did not arrange, via mostly by (imo) a contingency fee payout to retain
a legal team with a “fresh set of sharp minds to review facts and depositions” wrt her accusation
Terri committed a criminal act.
That is, Mrs Young did not retain a criminal counsel or a private criminal investigator. Even JoePa’s son
knew enough to hire his Dad a Cohnsel with criminal experience. And imo in the Portland Bar they
can be found a dime a dozen, including with experience in that very DA’s Office.
So, why didn’t she choose one with the practice speciality of reviewing criminal facts and depositions?
Who connected her to ER might have that back story.
she retained a civil personal injury lawyer. look up the public’s lay understanding of this specialty.
He lays a claim to civil rights in a couple cases, but imo this case belies it.
Blink has rightly lamented Desiree’s advisors, occasionally, in Desiree’s best interests.
Who are Mrs Young’s advisors that we are aware of?
Tony Young. Kelly Ramirez. Her mother (Kelly put her pic up) and her Dad. Others?
@MBS. Who told ER or the Youngs James had enlisted?
Perhaps a remaining “friend” on Terri’d FB, or someone who “friended” a Tarver?
They were both loose lipped. Or Kaine? My bet is James told him. Saying goodbye.
The fact he has learned once again he can “trust no one”, and would likely not know the “who,”
is a reason to escape Oregon. But in comparison to the injuries his Topher and
so many with limb losses and major cognitive damage have from this war sadly belies
any mere 18 yo using the army doing so in August 2012.
Described as “hardheaded” by Tarver (low class talk for a Dad to
give to press, imo), who’d know if he’d listen to Moultons’ or mother’s cautions?
If he was still challenged by focus, Southern Oregon U has one of the nation’s leading
LD/ADHD programs now. But the Moulton family is allegedly broke or breaking, and
who knows if his 3 Dads would chip in? And why study in Mrs Young’s neck of the woods?
With James’ and family’s bad publicity from Rosenthal/Young/Roseburg Supports in the Portland press this August on the deposition issue, can’t you just see the abuse enlisted 18 yo peers might mete out in the Afghanistan hills?
Another 18 yo whim his peers ostracized and bullied:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Chen#section_3
James likely treated Kyron with more warmth than the adults did from pics I saw.
This apparent vindictiveness by Mrs Young is not a light matter. In the loss of a child, a
person can become morally and emotionally big– or small. What is Young viz this lad?
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs/
Above is the link that will provide the answer to why the FBI was on site the night Kyron disappeared. Scroll down the page to the question/answer regarding the possible kidnapping of a child “of tender years.”
MockingbirdSings says:
August 4, 2012 at 2:31 am
I am wondering –
Who told them James was going into the military? It appears he would not have been subpoenaed so early if they had not known he was planning to leave – particularly since there is a pending motion for abatement. Serving subpoenas costs money, as do depositions and filings.
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@MBS
My guess (and that is all it is) is that Kaine or others may still be FaceBook friends with James and perhaps it was discovered through FB and relayed to Desiree.