Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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Who the heck is LE questioning in California?
@Amy’s Sister. This case is similar to the case ER cites as testament to his historical
prowess. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/case-docket/berhanu-v-metzger
In this blurb, SPLC does mention ER as his in-State associated co-counsel. At other times when writing, and in 2 oral talks to attorneys I heard Dees make in the 90s, Dees did not. From Dees’ perspective it was Dees’ case. (But he’s notedly viewed by some as a narcissist.)
Dees makes no bones about the entire goal of these type suits was to bankrupt the plaintiff for life,period. Of course in his cases it was to put the private persons such as the Metzgers out of an organization-creating and leading role due to lack of organizational funds.
Dees’ theory was novel, to hold the “encourager” and “cheerleaders in chief” liable for harm done the Plaintiff whether or not the Metzgers & WAR actively & explicitly directed the criminal activity of the local skinheads doing the actual injuries leading to death. It does not take an attorney (and I am not one) to understand the theories of liability, whatever the tort is called, are parallel between the Metzger & Hotman cases. That is, they will seek enough evidence to paint Terri as cheerleader, encourager, beneficiary of “someone” (and “anomymous” is OK imo, like an anonymous skinhead group) who did the actual criminal act. Imo rearguing Metzgers is all ER has to do. Mrs Young will someday find this an empty “win.” She will be no closer to truth.
Imo the objectives of whoever suggested this enterprise and representation are in line with Dees as well. Dees is candid his objective was to secure a judgement so high as to permanently bankrupt Metzgers.
Imo due to the judgment $ sought, and the plaintiffs not included, this suit has the same goal (bankruptcy for defense in the criminal case, or just punitively) by those suggesting ER & this suit to Mrs Young
because imo she didn’t know a fig about the SPLC, Dees, Rosenthal, the Metzgers, or see the litigation parallels in strategy and objectives and it probably wasn’t even discussed with her. She likely just went in and said, “How do we get Terri to resolve my son’s loss?” Well, ER is following the Dee’s strategy. So I guess the tawdry behavior was the originator of this strategy, and imo the first originator was not either ER or Mrs Young. This suit shields LE from public pressure big time imo.
I am reminded in the Kesse case, which was so bungled, Blink said something about remaining ininvolved until parents were willing to explore other theories of the case, which they did. I don’t see Kaine getting there until divorce is final. I never see Mrs Young there. So, like “disappeared” commenters here (beejay etc), I’m going to lighten up on any ambition to contribute for the duration of this litigation.
last comment: re Calif mention.
imo benign: likely investigators are collecting more witness testimony to the “venting” Terri did re Kaine, James’ move, Kyron’s needs, her workload going to motive.
Recently a Calif family Intel employee Horman friend for example became a “Director” of Horman Foundation. Early on Terri’s FB he posted an offer to help in any way. Their family was one Hotmans visited on CA trips. Undoubtedly they had other couple friends there. Does anyone think Terri didn’t “vent” to these wives? She’s gonna be buried imo
from complaining about her family workload and dissatisfaction, and likely even Kyron’s needs, to CA “friends.”
I recall Kaine saying that a friend recently submitted a tip.
B
I keep hitting the “t” not “r” in HoRman.
Sorry, unintentional.
Kids’ yelling for a ride as usual
and focus weak.
btw I happen to agree with Kantor wrt the present case posture.
As do I, based on argument.
B
I read the first witness will be James. What happens if Terri takes the “5th”?
Below is the title of article on KGW – except the link is for the Judge’s ruling today.
Sooo this could be an article they are holding for the 5:00pm newscast & got a head of themselves w/title.
“Kyron Horman’s father: Police have ‘growing evidence’ against Terri”
- kgw.com
Yes, I know Lea has to fit us in, and I appreciate that she does. I’m guessin’ there are quite a few attorneys following this now. It would also be interesting to know the ramifications this case going to trial could/might have on the currently abated divorce case. It’s all overwhelming to me. Gosh, I have to think back at to how this all got to be such a tangled web. I guess it all began with the failed sting.
I wonder if this case going to trial could actually hurt the investigation? Don’t know how, just wondering. Will this be the new precedent for people, if they think LE is doing an inadequate job of finding the truth they just start civilly suing someone they think might know the truth? Lot’s to think about on this hot day.
T.Ruth- in the event I can actually string a few cohesive thoughts together that do not shame my previous work in this case, I may publish. But I wanted to point out that you have hit my bullseye.
B
Blink, does the DA have any physical evidence that you are aware of(i.e. his glasses) in their possession regarding Kyron’s disappearance?
I would never answer that question in an open case, and respectfully, I would not believe a single individual with or without knowledge should be believed if they do.
B
well, go Kaine & friend.
sunshine_4me says:
August 15, 2012 at 12:12 pm
If the disposable phones were purchased prior to any hint of the MFH accusation or pointing any fingers toward TH, why would they feel that they needed them?
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Hi sunshine, according to this article the phones were purchased after Kaine left, which since he left the day of the sting, I’d say they were purchased after that. JMO but I think they were purchased because AFTER the sting Terri realized she was absolutely LE’s focus, defacto suspect, and assumed she was being bugged.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100161574.html
A friend of Terri Horman said the secret phones were intended to provide some level of privacy with their conversations, which they felt were being monitored by law enforcement. She said they also wanted to use phones with numbers not known to the press.
The phones were purchased **after** Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, moved out of the family’s home.
Amys Sister says:
August 15, 2012 at 1:31 pm
(snipped)
With all due respect, the suit is not tawdry, IMO. As a mother if my child went missing while in the care of his stepmother, a stepmother who wrote hateful emails about my then seven year old, after I broached wanting full custody with my child’s father and was met with an adamant ‘no’, after two years of an investigation going nowhere and one suspect gone missing,
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@ Amy, what suspect has gone missing?
@CD
Thanks for the phone recap; I just read that yesterday and apparently the *after* didn’t stick in my brain. I think my emotions are leading me now more than rational thinking. I wish this would just end. Thanks
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Judge-denies-delay-in-lawsuit-against-Terri-Horman-3790738.php
“Kyron’s father, Kaine, testified in a separate hearing in June that police have told him they have more probable cause to believe Terri Horman was involved with Kyron’s disappearance than they did two years ago.”
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http://www.probablecause.org/whatisprobablecause.html
Probable cause must be based on factual evidence and not just on suspicion.
Most probable cause sources can be placed into four categories. These categories are:
•Observation – This is information that the officer obtains through their senses, such as sight, smell or hearing. This category is also used when an officer detects a familiar pattern of criminal activity that contains suspicious behaviors (i.e., flashing headlights, circling around a certain neighborhood.)
•Expertise – These are skills that officers are specially trained in, such as: being able to read gang graffiti and tattoos, detecting tools that are used in burglaries or knowing when certain movements or gestures indicate that a criminal activity is about to occur.
•Information – Statements provided by witnesses and victims, information provided by informants, and announcements made through police bulletins and broadcasts.
•Circumstantial Evidence – This is indirect evidence that implies that a crime has occurred but does not directly prove it.
Probable cause must be based on factual evidence and not just on suspicion.
Most probable cause sources can be placed into four categories. These categories are:
•Observation – This is information that the officer obtains through their senses, such as sight, smell or hearing. This category is also used when an officer detects a familiar pattern of criminal activity that contains suspicious behaviors (i.e., flashing headlights, circling around a certain neighborhood.)
•Expertise – These are skills that officers are specially trained in, such as: being able to read gang graffiti and tattoos, detecting tools that are used in burglaries or knowing when certain movements or gestures indicate that a criminal activity is about to occur.
•Information – Statements provided by witnesses and victims, information provided by informants, and announcements made through police bulletins and broadcasts.
•Circumstantial Evidence – This is indirect evidence that implies that a crime has occurred but does not directly prove it.
Probable cause must be based on factual evidence and not just on suspicion.
Most probable cause sources can be placed into four categories. These categories are:
•Observation – This is information that the officer obtains through their senses, such as sight, smell or hearing. This category is also used when an officer detects a familiar pattern of criminal activity that contains suspicious behaviors (i.e., flashing headlights, circling around a certain neighborhood.)
•Expertise – These are skills that officers are specially trained in, such as: being able to read gang graffiti and tattoos, detecting tools that are used in burglaries or knowing when certain movements or gestures indicate that a criminal activity is about to occur.
•Information – Statements provided by witnesses and victims, information provided by informants, and announcements made through police bulletins and broadcasts.
•Circumstantial Evidence – This is indirect evidence that implies that a crime has occurred but does not directly prove it.
I am seriously going to need a source for that Kaine comment. What June appearance? I don’t recall the renewal request for the RO was oral?
They have more probable cause than they did to force him out of his house, file for a RO and divorce and conduct a Federal sting operation of a woman who since has not gotten so much as a parking ticket?
B
The lawsuit is most probably Desiree’s last attempt to get answers. She is desperate and I can understand that, but whether or not it’s a good idea to basically interrupt an ongoing investigation with her personal ideas of what may have transpired, IDK, maybe not such a good idea. I guess we’ll see.
I’m thinking Rosenthal knows that Terri will plead the 5th. I think the interesting parts will be the depositions and testimonies of others.
Another legal question, because I’m just dumb about this, but could Terri plead no contest in a civil case? Wouldn’t that keep people from getting deposed if she did? Would that be the end of the civil suit and the judge would just award Desiree her damages?
No, she cannot.
B
IMO, having already gotten a 2-year delay for the divorce case (a bit at a time) with no big change in anything regarding the criminal case, it was a lot less likely anyone would grant a 2-year delay in the civil case. I totally agree with the judge – regardless of what you think of the suit, another long delay “would serve no purpose”.
Thanks, Blink, now I know.
@ Rose: I respect your position and your willingness to post. I always pay attention to what you share because you give me something to think about and for that I am grateful.
Will be so interesting to watch this groundbreaking case! I sure hope you continue to keep us informed of your findings and opinions.
*****
Rose says:
August 15, 2012 at 2:59 pm
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You could very well be right. They have chosen a specific course of action, there are always pros and cons to each avenue taken in a court of law. Desiree had to put a number on the worth of her losses. If someone asked me the value of one of my children the number would be monumental.
Desiree may have good evidence supporting her accusations against Terri. Rosenthal has smartly kept the suit open to any others who can be held responsible for the disappearance of her child. Should she choose to include PPS she can still do so but there may be a good reason she has chosen not to, maybe evidence that the school is not guilty of losing the boy.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Hearing-today-on-Kyron-civil-suit-delay-request-166253236.html
(snipped)
Kyron’s father Kaine Horman said police have growing evidence against Terri.
“It’s significantly strengthened their belief that she had involvement in the situation.”
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Growing evidence? What evidence? We’ve been repeatedly told by reporters that LE has found NO evidence. We don’t even know if Kyron is dead or alive. Mr. Horman, if I may ask, if LE has all this growing evidence, why have they not arrested Mrs. Horman? Why would your ex-wife feel the necessity to go around LE’s investigation, if there was all this evidence?
“Strengthened their belief??????”
Sorry, I’m just so tired of hearing this stuff come out of his mouth.
Did I miss that coming out of his actual mouth? I am reading quotes left and right from him, with no sourcing and no video. My head is going to explode on the reporting of this case already.
B
T. Ruth says:
August 15, 2012 at 6:54 pm
@ Amy, what suspect has gone missing?
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Though he was never formally named one, David Anthony Durham.
http://portlandtribune.com/pt-rss/9-news/113609-judge-rules-horman-civil-suit-can-proceed
There’s a bit of video on this one.
Blink, if it’s kgw or OLive or the local Vancouver lady, imo
it’s from Kaine’s mouth to their ears without thank god the “anonymous source” thing,
Never the Pitkin professionalism tho.
wouldn’t it be better to hear direct from Staton quoted?
As you said, “Too much access.”
My thoughts will be with James tomorrow. It won’t be easy for him, he loved Kyron. I wish much strength for him and that he be totally free of any guilt.
** by guilt I don’t mean to imply James had anything to do with any of this. I meant to say that I hope he doesn’t feel any guilt for what has happened or what is about to happen. I just wish that he be shielded from the worry and pain, that he come to terms with it all. I’m kind of glad he will be away while this is happening, it may be best.
January says:
August 15, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Who the heck is LE questioning in California?
My first thought when the mention of interviews in California came up – Phyllis. The rumors went round and round in 2010, but then seemed to have faded away. Kaine having an affair is one way I could see Desiree’s open letter she read to Terri makes any sense regarding Desiree having any sympathy for Terri.
T. Ruth says:
August 14, 2012 at 12:24 pm
(snipped)
I was reviewing some stuff yesterday and the 12/11/19 letter that Desiree read to Terri on cnn where she is pleading with Terri came up. This part (my transcription):
(snipped again)
Terri,
I am probably the only person in this world who understands what you were feeling…the frustrations. I know what things were like for you because I was married to Kaine once as well. http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html#/video/us/2011/12/19/kyrons-mom-writes-letter-to-stepmom.hln?iref=allsearch
[MBS - Refresher of some of the previous references to Phyllis, who may or may not exist, and if she did, may or may not ever have worked at Intel:]
1. Newsatfive says:
July 13, 2010 at 9:56 pm
(snipped)
Or could Kaine be getting even with Terri for exposing him and his girlfriend “Phyllis” who has been named all over the Internet?
The only reason fault matters is if someone is neglecting parenting functions, i.e. leaving the children unsupervised.
Kaine has a pattern of having affairs, taking the kid from the mom, and having the new girlfriend start her own brood while raising the child of the earlier “Baby Momma.” If there is any truth to Kaine having impregnated Phyllis and now shacked up with her — also posted all over the Internet — expect he will do jus as he did to Desiree, and have Phyllis raise Terri’s kid while birthing another son (or daughter) of Kaine.
What’s odd to me is that Phyllis probably expects her relationship with Kaine to be any different from what occurred with her two predecessors.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/09/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-kaine-horman-points-a-finger-directly-at-terri-horman/#comments
[MBS - As far as I know, one time does not make a “pattern”, so I’m not sure if there was anyone before Desiree. It doesn’t appear that Kaine ever “shacked up” with Phyllis, at least, but the point isn’t so much about Kaine as about what Terri thought was going on, true or not. Many commenters thought “HopeInVa” was or knew Terri.]
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http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/HopeInVA/comments.html
does his dad having a new family with another woman, while he’s still married to another, & still forcing Kyron back & forth with yet another, count as abuse? maybe not to hippies, but the the rest of the world living in reality…..
Posted on Potential development in missing Kyron case comes up empty in West Virginia on July 11, 2010, 10:36AM
i’d bet your paycheck pfigment that he’s in northern cali, or thereabouts….too many cameras on the interstates & too many truckers who’re former LE in between coasts for Kyron to even get close to the Midwest much less east. sorry to bust y’all’s bubbles
Posted on Potential development in missing Kyron case comes up empty in West Virginia on July 11, 2010, 10:34AM
…& Kaine…..& Phillips…er, Phyllis….& TonyY….as much as TH does.
Posted on Landscaper wore wire, asked Terri Horman for $10,000 in murder-for-hire plot, sources say on July 08, 2010, 12:49PM
maybe s/he used to write their name “Phil” or “Phillips”
Posted on Landscaper wore wire, asked Terri Horman for $10,000 in murder-for-hire plot, sources say on July 08, 2010, 12:45PM
where was phyllis?
getting ready for that move to cali
no wonder LE can’t figure out where to find Kyron
given all the choices among the 5 adults (chronologically speaking only)
…KH needs to be sterilized….if he got rid of ‘the boyz’ in his life, he’s left with only females that he can easily control…problem is that Kiara is a dead-ringer for her mother which’ll bother phyllis but isn’t that by design by an antisocial personality like kaine
Posted on Landscaper wore wire, asked Terri Horman for $10,000 in murder-for-hire plot, sources say on July 08, 2010, 7:58AM
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I’m curious whether “Phyllis” was ever eliminated as a possibility for the “grain of truth” that might be in the rumors.
T. Ruth says:
August 15, 2012 at 7:51 pm
http://portlandtribune.com/pt-rss/9-news/113609-judge-rules-horman-civil-suit-can-proceed
There’s a bit of video on this one.
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I do not see any story on OregonLive as of now. In the video, there were only a few people in the courtroom. Terri was not there. Desiree looked like she hadn’t slept much in the shots afterward. I imagine she was really anxious about whether the suit would proceed. I’m sure we can all certainly understand that.
Re OregonLive story I was looking for – I’m pretty sure that was Maxine on the right side about the second row. I used to go to anti-gang task force meetings with her. I am surprised there has been no new story in the Kyron Horman set of stories (still on page 2 of the ORLive website) since June 1st when Desiree filed the suit. I hope she does continue with this story – I respect her work. Although, I do have to say, “Where is Lois Lane when you need her?”
Also – there was a hint that Terri may be hiring another attorney to continue with this case.
Well, the Oregonian did have a story June 28th which apparently wasn’t linked to the others. It was about the restraining order being renewed.
Here is Maxine B.’s story:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/08/kyron_horman_moms_suit_can_go.html
and the commenters are off and running . . .
I did not know the grand jury was still looking at this. This puts a different spin on my thinking about the civil suit. I am not sure what to think now.
The previously suspended grand jury is not specially convened.
It will review new submissions as they are presented, and I am willing to bet submissions on this case are very few and far between, sadly.
B
#7) January says: August 15, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Blink Says: “I am seriously going to need a source for that Kaine comment. What June appearance? I don’t recall the renewal request for the RO was oral?”
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Hi Blink, I was surprised by this when I read it too.. That is why I posted the link with my original post above.. here it is again:
San Francisco Chronicle, via Associated Press
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Judge-denies-delay-in-lawsuit-against-Terri-Horman-3790738.php
Kyron Horman’s father: ‘Growing evidence’ against Terri
http://www.kgw.com/news/Hearing-today-on-Kyron-civil-suit-delay-request-166253236.html
“On Wednesday, Young’s attorney said the reason this case was filed two years after Kyron’s disappearance was because Young gave the criminal justice system the chance to do something and nothing was done.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-denies-Terri-Horman-request-to-delay-lawsuit-166284266-Kyron.html
Rose says:
August 15, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Blink, if it’s kgw or OLive or the local Vancouver lady, imo
it’s from Kaine’s mouth to their ears without thank god the “anonymous source” thing,
Never the Pitkin professionalism tho.
wouldn’t it be better to hear direct from Staton quoted?
As you said, “Too much access.”
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Rose, who is the “local Vancouver lady”?
If you watch the video, it’s interesting to see who is there. I mentioned Maxine Bernstein before, plus Kyle I. (reporter) is there, and 2 women behind Desiree who are with her. There is one woman behind them who seems to be writing and one across the aisle from her who is also writing. There is another woman in the same row as Kyle. Those 3 women appear to me to be reporters, probably the “staff” that is often credited.
On the back row in the far corner is a man who appears to be intently watching (no notes). Anyone recognize him? He seems professional looking in a dark suit, but on the younger side (of the attorneys, at least). He doesn’t have a “reporter” look to me.
http://www.kptv.com/story/19282839/judge-allows-lawsuit-against-terri-horman-to-move-forward
In case you don’t have a chance to watch, it was reported that James will be deposed in Roseburg tomorrow in an undisclosed location.
Not naming names, but this person has posted here.
B
T. Ruth says:
August 15, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Kyron’s father Kaine Horman said police have growing evidence against Terri.
“It’s significantly strengthened their belief that she had involvement in the situation.”
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Did I miss that coming out of his actual mouth? I am reading quotes left and right from him, with no sourcing and no video. My head is going to explode on the reporting of this case already.
B
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These 2 statements from Kaine (?) were tweeted by Kyle Iboshi around 3 PM today (August 15th) after he tweeted the June hearing court documents were just released. His previous tweets were during the hearing in the morning. The way it is written, it appears those statements are from the court documents. I can’t find a link to them anywhere yet. I thought the RO was continued based on Kaine and his attorney’s statement and no argument from Terri, and that the wording was the same as before.
That is the only source I have found for this yet. It sounds like something Kaine would say, but he was interviewed by Fox12 news and didn’t say that to them on camera.
Sorry – I have to get into this century, I guess. Some reporters take notes, apparently others tweet. Maybe that explains some of the differences in accuracy.
Sorry, I’m back again. If you watch this video, the man in the dark blue shirt and suit I mentioned as being in the back of the courtroom is standing outside the courtroom in the hall behind Desiree and her group. Watch his face. It’s about 30 seconds in.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-denies-Terri-Horman-request-to-delay-lawsuit-166284266-Kyron.html?tab=video&c=y
He has “secret service eyes” which I saw once when Jesse Jackson was running for president and came to the high school where I worked. Not saying he’s secret service, of course. Just thinking maybe security. I’m sure I’m not revealing any secret – too obvious, if that’s what he is.
re: the June hearing
A couple of tweets from KWG reporter earlier Wednesday (doesn’t appear KGW has posted these court transcripts yet):
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Kyle Iboshi @KyleIboshi
“Just released court transcripts from June hearing: Father of Kyron Horman says police have growing evidence against Terri Horman.”
Kyle Iboshi @KyleIboshi
Kaine Horman: “It’s significantly strengthened their belief that she had involvement in the situation.”
https://twitter.com/kyleiboshi
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My hope is James will be Ok
Tells the truth if he knows
Then gets on with his life
From what was on TV
Dy looked very stressed out
I hope she gets Kyron’s location if possible for her peace
But I honestly believe in the SZ theory because it makes more sense to me
Who would be so cold as not to want DY to have her child
So go DY I wish you well with this
@bumble: initial reporting of Kaine’s abuse award announcement from Kathleen Moore in Calif was made by a journalist who had also posted a warm endorsement of the granting organization on its Army of Angels site but her site comments as a private person are no longer there. It was hard for me to resurrect this journalist’s name because Moore’s site has so changed. While I posted urls to this journalist’s work in spring, I kept no records and memory is vague. I believe she was about Kaine’s age & was from Vancouver WA. She published what in my opinion were “pro-Kaine” articles in the Examiner and somewhere else, I think Gather.com.
http://www.examiner.com/article/kaine-horman-says-wife-terri-horman-is-a-master-at-deception-and-misdirection
http://www.examiner.com/article/kyron-horman-s-stepmother-terri-moulton-horman-served-with-restraining-order-divorce-papers
from Vancouver WA
http://www.ziggs.com/public/Isabelle_Zehnder_23482
profile here entry 2 http://www.childsturn.com/Search.asp?Location=WA&condition_Apraxia=&offset=15
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/isabelle-zehnder
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re attendees. I cannot imagine Sean Cruz missing this. Imo
He’s have to be chained elsewhere to miss, as the case is the major focus of his recent blogs, besides Romney. The man could be him but is most likely an employee (jr atty, para) in ER’s office. Desiree’s sister drove her to Portland. This case keeps them intensely bound just like the jointly timed pregnancies did (belly pic on gofundme). In tense attachment. And we know who takes the best notes here after Blink’s ( I take none sadly).
sorry, that’s “intense” attachment, not “tense”
@mbs. without the beard? http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=mog&hl=en&gl=us&client=safari&tab=wi&q=sean%20cruz&sa=N&biw=320&bih=416#i=7
human interest: apparently Davidson girls have matching hair still, tho not intense back as in gofundme pics during Desiree’s marriage 2. Where was Tony? probably had to work.
exceptionally “black” coloration.
(curses on the iphone keyboard or
more realistically my brain.) At least no
pink or purple.
Terri needs a civil tort litigation expert yesterday.
not Bunch’s area of law.
Having seen the TV snippet he
also lacks the quick mental processes
of Rosenthal/Kantor. She needs a pro bono from a Spence
January says:
August 15, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Snip>>>
It will be interesting to hear Kaines’s reaction to this.
This story & video link has Kaine’s reaction:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-denies-Terri-Horman-request-to-delay-lawsuit-166284266-Kyron.html?tab=video&c=y
Did not hear that probable cause verbiage but may have been edited out.
B
@ Malty says:
August 16, 2012 at 12:56 am
My hope is James will be Ok
Tells the truth if he knows
Then gets on with his life
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Well, unlike his Mother, I hope he doesn’t take the 5th.
the Kaine “probable cause” comment is next to last paragr in AP story released yesterday at 3:44 pm and refers to Kaine’s June RO hearing (likely his paperwork). Are journalists are copying each other w/o attribution?
http://hosted2.ap.org/OREUG/a8dbce6f2a1f4e5d90c2a9e13af098c3/Article_2012-08-15-Missing%20Oregon%20Boy/id-4bbd6f902ea04e118906904b6006b292
It is not in his paperwork for the RO renewal, I checked.
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I caught that “other attorney” from Bunch too. I wonder if he meant Houze will represent Terri in this civil case? I sure hope James has an attorney with him when he is deposed today.
Idahogal says:
August 16, 2012 at 10:06 am
January says:
August 15, 2012 at 3:42 pm
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It will be interesting to hear Kaines’s reaction to this.
This story & video link has Kaine’s reaction:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-denies-Terri-Horman-request-to-delay-lawsuit-166284266-Kyron.html?tab=video&c=y
Did not hear that probable cause verbiage but may have been edited out.
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Can anyone read the court documents Kyle Iboshi referred to? (June hearing) I don’t think katu would have edited that out and the statements don’t come up on google for me, at least. Usually one of the websites will link to court docs, but I haven’t seen anything yet.
I was annoyed with kgw that they took what is essentially Desiree’s story and promoted it with a picture of Kaine and Kyron. It appears Kaine was asked to be ready to comment and was at the wall of hope to be interviewed. The quotes didn’t show up on Kyle’s tweets until after some of those stories had been out a few hours, but kgw had those comments early on. If not from the court docs in June, the only thing I can think of is that Kyle called him. I don’t think anyone made it up, but (if true) maybe Bunch should have quoted him in his argument.
This is what I meant way back when I said to get a whole picture you have to read all the different news reports around here and combine them like a puzzle to figure out what’s happening.
Houze should probably have done the arguing, but I don’t think he thought they’d win this one.
There is a minor and different reference in the abatement motion, the RO renewal was uncontested so it is not that. There is a reason I am fixated on this.
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now this is a very yucky book chapter written by a white supremacist that M Dees got jailed for a year during a civil tort for $ damages case, he says.
the chapter is supposed to be about why Dees brought civil charges instead of a criminal case being filed when the racist had no $ to pay a judgment. Not worth reading, but halfway down this man says Dees’ purpose & strategy was depositions, depositions, depositions, and plenty of them, for 3 years. By working the depositions Dees was able to find two witnesses, this proud racist says, who would attest Miller was lying about a fact in controversy to
the Court (because what he said differed from the two witnesses), thus enabling him to be jailed a year for Contempt of Court if nothing else.
So there’s more than one way to skin defendants and one way is a civil suit’s depos later used to establish contempt of court or perjury charges, so all Terri can do is take the 5th in every legal setting.
http://whty.org/book/09.htm