Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island

Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.

 

Update 1:  As referenced on KOIN,  a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair.  Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing.  The possible “hair” was sent for testing.

Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm  whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.

Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman,  Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.

It is also the former home of a man considered to be  Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results.  Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.

Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.

David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle  and is being cared for by a friend of the family.  Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.

Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.

 

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2,365 Comments

  1. T. Ruth says:

    Does anyone know if Intel offers an employee access to a “kidnap insurance policy”?

  2. T. Ruth says:

    A 2011 article about Intel Engineers volunteering during “National Engineers Month” at Mooberry School (one of the school’s Terri had subbed at before). So, does anyone know if such a volunteer program may have been held at Skyline Elementary School during National Engineers Month (February) in 2010? I’ve never heard of one, but just wondering.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2012/02/intel_visitors_engineer_some_f.html

  3. Malty says:

    This is just a memory but I thought Nieghbor said no one was suppose to talk
    In one of her last posts
    It all seems so strange
    Kaine seems to be more positive that Kyron is
    Alive as time goes on

  4. cd says:

    This is all just IMO

    I think that the thought that Kyrons picture was taken in front of his science project wearing the CSI t-shirt on june 3 and not June 4 was because of speculation that Kyron was never at the science fair on June 4 which would mean that TH would not have needed to remove Kyron from the school on June 4 because he was never there.

    As far as Kyron not disappearing wearing the CSI t-shirt and TH and/or others mis-leading the public about what Kyron was actually wearing would help whomever took Kyron to better conceal his identity.

    So maybe Kyron was wearing the CSI t_shirt on june 4 but TH (taking his picture on June 3) told him the wear the shirt for the picture. for whatever reason.

    (But since TH also took a picture of kurtis in front of his science project supposedly on the same day as she took Kyrons picture then would kurtis and his mother also have to be in on this deception? Or would Th just have pretended to take a picture of Kyron when she took Kurtis’s picture on june 4?)

    The above makes it matter if if Kaine was at the school on June 3 with TH because then Kaine would have known that the science fair picture was from June 3 instead of June 4 which would make it unlikely TH was lying about when she took the science fair picture.

    Other then those suspicions I don’t understand why it would make a difference if Kaine was at the school with TH on June 3.

    I Think that between the TH being on the list of people at the school on june 4 and that Kyron was seen on june 4 by Gina Zimmerman, Tanner, and Desieree’s talk of someone seeing Kyron by a truck on june 4 pretty much means to me that Kyron was probably at the school on june 4.

    Also i don’t know why LE and the news media would want to mislead the public about what Kyron was wearing on june 4 especially since if he was not wearing the CSI t-shirt i would think that at least some of the people who saw Kyron on june 4 would have said that his description given to the public was wrong.

  5. VLH says:

    I worked for a large nationwide, known company, and about 10 years ago, we had a lady who was fired and freaked out (screamed, maybe threw a stapler) in our office, made threats, etc. after a big company-wide layoff. It made local news, but that day, within an hour of it happening, we recieved a letter the legal department basically telling us not to talk to any media – and basically not to disclose any information or talk about it to anyone. That was the end of that. We all figured out very quickly that it was just a big company that didn’t want their name associated in a bad light on a news story / scandal / bad P.R. My understanding was that this was a pretty common practice for big business and their Legal / P.R. departments.

    That was how I had taken the letter from Kaine to fellow Intel employees, but that was just my take, fwiw

    I can’t remember off the top of my head (crazy day at the office), and am at work so I can’t search it right this second, but do we know of any Intel employees that were called into the GJ?

  6. erose says:

    What exactly are we thinking in re: to KH?

  7. Rose says:

    good find TRuth on the Findlay principal quote.
    Looks like she takes security seriously.

  8. wpg says:

    Thanks, Blink.
    Didn’t mean to load your shoulders with any extra weight pressure. . . I was referring to Lea’s contributing article.
    xoxo’s

  9. Rose says:

    @January. imo in Houze shoes, I’d be completely dilent and let the institution hang itself by itself

  10. Concerned says:

    I have friends with kids at Skyline as well as nearby schools mentioned in this thread. Everytime I ask if they are concerned this might have been a random abduction, they all say no way. At least the friends I have asked, all believe this was orchastrated by Terri. The heightened security was definitely a CYA by the schools.

    That does not surprise me in the least. Most parents were told flat out Terri was a suspect.

    You say “orchestrated”, so SZ gets a pass on any fear?

    B

  11. MockingbirdSings says:

    T. Ruth says:
    June 19, 2012 at 2:08 pm
    Does anyone know if Intel offers an employee access to a “kidnap insurance policy”?
    —————————–

    I asked around about this early last year sometime, T.Ruth, but never got an answer from anyone. I thought perhaps it might have been available (even free to those who traveled) and something the company provided when the Horman’s went to Israel and maybe something that was still active for him (like a long term policy that was forgotten). On the other hand, it would probably be for employees working overseas for a period of time. If someone knew Intel carried such insurance for employees in certain circumstances, maybe they would assume they would be more likely to actually pay a ransom. I gather it is designed as a company policy, sort of like group insurance, for certain employees. Don’t know if it’s available to individuals like regular travel insurance. I doubt if Kaine would have seen himself as needing that for the level of employee he was, but you never know.

    If anyone wants to read about kidnapping insurance, here are some links. I found it very interesting. Struck me how it was more about the business and financial side than the “we care about our people” perspective, but I guess that’s to be accepted.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1038/is_n3_v33/ai_9114855/
    This is about kidnapping ransom insurance.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/albuquerque/print-edition/2012/03/16/as-biz-goes-global-interest-in-kidnap.html?page=all
    This is a more recent article.

    http://businessfinancemag.com/article/danger-zones-0601?page=0%2C0
    1999 – mentions Intel specifically. Older article, but it’s doubtful they do any LESS than they did in 1999 since the world hasn’t gotten any safer. Speaks about employees working outside US – including Israel.

  12. Miss Bri says:

    If Neighbor saw Kaine in the school around 3pm, it sounds like Kaine was probably picking Kyron up and went in to see his project. I would like to know how many times Kaine had been at the school (I would guess no more than 5) Since Terri was the main caretaker and Kyron usually took the bus home, I doubt faculty would know who he was. I wonder if Kaine finds it concerning that the day before his son is abducted from the school, he too is able to just walk out of the school with Kyron, given that he wouldnt be a familiar face to most staff.

    Hmmmn… this certainly has gotten me thinking….

  13. Concerned says:

    That does not surprise me in the least. Most parents were told flat out Terri was a suspect.

    You say “orchestrated”, so SZ gets a pass on any fear?

    B
    *************************************
    Yes, because they all feel Kyron was specifically targeted. I’m just the messenger. ;)

    You are not my messenger, I am in contact with many parents, and not all of them would agree with that, although I openly admit they have been told that directly if they were interviewed by LE- a problem in itself.

    I would say that if they feel that way, I certainly hope they know the set of circumstances with which he left the building, because I can tell you as a fact, not even LE can say Ky was targeted. Nor can any direct witnesses.

    Don’t take my word for it, ask his parents.

    I wonder if people need to blame someone more than they need to worry about their children’ss safety.

    B

  14. MockingbirdSings says:

    About Kaine and Intel employees being asked not to talk to the press – I have never considered that unusual or surprising – more of a non-issue. Neither is it surprising or unusual for PPS to ask employees not to talk to the press. Whether LE asked the staff and community not to talk about the case, I don’t personally know, but I imagine they did.

    You may all be tired of hearing that I worked many years for PPS, sorry. Just want to say that in my many years working there, it was always made clear verbally and occasionally by written notice from principals, that when some incident occurred or unfavorable report was published, we should not talk to members of the press while we were working and/or on school grounds. Any reporter who inquired was to be directed to contact the district’s current PR person. It was also clear that it wouldn’t be looked on favorably even if you spoke on your own time although I never knew if you could get fired – there are many reasons to fire people if you want to, of course.

    The media was not allowed on campus unless escorted in to interview a particular person (administrator or supervisor) who had invited them (with permission from their boss, too) by appointment only. Photographs were restricted. The media could stand off campus (across the street) and talk to any students, parents, or neighbors who wanted to say anything. Because of this policy, some problems never made the news at all and some were just little blips hidden in the newspaper. Unfortunately, those who hide their wounds often don’t get the help they need.

    Having seen how twisted some reports and quotes were by the time they reached the paper, I understood to a certain extent. At our school, we finally changed that by continually inviting 2 or 3 interested reporters to attend and write about the many good things the students were doing and the successes we had in our programs. It was the teachers and student leaders who successfully changed that, not the administration. All we asked for was balance in reporting and the acknowledgement that many, not all, of the incidents were outside the control of the school and/or caused by other factors in the district, community, city, and state.

    In the case of Skyline, while I continually say I believe the school and district should be held accountable, I do not mean to shortchange the students on credit for their academic successes or minimize the value of the school’s support from the parents and community members.

    Should anyone be curious about what I couldn’t talk about (minus names), let me know. I don’t think I’m obligated to be quiet anymore. :)

  15. MockingbirdSings says:

    Jeepers – as if I weren’t discouraged enough about this case – I went to my mailbox and was about to recycle the advertising flyer when I looked at the bottom of the back page. There was the photo of a 14 year old boy from Myrtle Point, Oregon, last seen 8/14/1986, along with a photo age-progressed to age 34. It was from missingkids.com. It’s so encouraging to know some people never give up.

    It makes me want to pass a law that when a child goes missing, EVERYTHING (non-essential) stops just like for freezing rain or a flood or other natural disaster – because it IS a disaster – and everybody searches until the child is found.

  16. Rose says:

    @Blink. re “Most parents were told flat out Terri was a suspect.”
    Told by whom?
    A staff member of Skyline in newsletter or assembly?
    the PTA Pres?
    Or, Investigating LE detectives in the course of their interviews of parents the 490 list?

    If latter, that’s nono number 1 in how to corrupt an investigation, isn’t it?

    The folks I spoke to were told that by the LEO who interviewed them or other.
    B

  17. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    June 19, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Thank you Rose. All your fault. You’ve got me thinking CYA in a Sandusky type situation. Add that to Blink’s comments about popcorn kernels and my brain has gone a poppin’.

  18. T. Ruth says:

    MockingbirdSings says:
    June 19, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Nope, not tired of it, thankful for it! Your input is invaluable. Thanks for being here.

  19. T. Ruth says:

    Ooops, should have said @MbS. Please keep up the good work!

  20. Rose says:

    a Sandusky type situation is only one of many reasons a public school district would cover CYA. It’s what their in house attorneys are trained to do in every situation immediately. Zcrisis CYA management. And it worked, cause bios didn’t sue. But it is the best reason. They’re liable for all those subcontractors (lead abatement, painting, plumbing, electrical, well digging , field installing, turbine, solar, Foundation
    contractors, etc) they undoubtedly did not keep track of or supervise while on site. It would be more surprising if a pedophile was not among those masses.

  21. T. Ruth says:

    I didn’t realize that 24-hour Fitness had an organization that volunteered at schools. Playworks. It appears it is only for the low income school children, but I wonder if they ever did anything at Skyline, it’s not listed now anyway. Looks like the PNW program is only about 3 years old. Sounds like they will offer training to other coaches/teachers if the school doesn’t qualify. Wonder if that is done on the school premises as well? (Did Lupoli volunteer to go to schools? Ick!! Do I have the right gym?)

    Just thinking about the person calling Kyron by name and Kaine & Terri’s numerous workouts and Kaine’s comments about the gym folks all know Kyron. (Apolly, if this is old info.)

    http://www.24hourfitness.com/community/playworks/

    http://www.playworks.org/make-recess-count/play/playworks-in-portland/about

  22. MockingbirdSings says:

    T. Ruth says:
    June 19, 2012 at 11:41 pm
    Ooops, should have said @MbS. Please keep up the good work!

    ————————-
    Thanks, T.Ruth. I feel like just one of the “pings” bouncing off the Blink tower. :)

  23. Rose says:

    speaking of pings.
    it is possible Terri “failed” poly Qs, and was deemed uncooperative, because her whereabouts reports did not match her pings in LE ping-speak. And perhaps that was because MCSO’s ping-pointedness was more rudimentary than not. So they brought in a ping sophisticate LE last year who could not produce technical info that Terri was not where she said. That scenario fits Kaine’s statement on technical
    investigation last year was a bust.

  24. T. Ruth says:

    Thanks Lyla, so it appears Lupoli would have been in prison when 24-hour started this program in Oregon. (At least I did have the gym right.) Wonder what kind of screening goes on at the 24-hour gyms for those involved in daycare and/or volunteering at the needy schools.

  25. MockingbirdSings says:

    Perhaps we are in the eye of the hurricane, but the quiet is disturbing, so I decided to focus on the thought of “peeling away the layers.” I’ve been looking at some past articles as a way of reviewing – again. I discarded any articles with major mistakes in at least one fact or that appeared based on another article rather than being firsthand. I also favored articles by Maxine Bernstein and any other reporters who appear to be accurate and fair in their reporting in general.

    It’s more of an exercise than actual fact finding, I suppose, but I’m hoping it will make the content appear fresh so that something will pop out at me. Here’s an example, for what it’s worth.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

    “Search for Kyron Horman resumes today north and west of Portland”
    Published: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 5:00 AM Updated: Friday, May 27, 2011, 11:29 AM By Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian
    [I wonder why it was updated months later – I can’t tell anything has changed.]

    (snipped and scraped)

    cadaver-detecting dogs

    specific turnouts, trailheads or areas that a vehicle could pull in
    300-foot radius search of the sites, depending on the steepness of the terrain.

    gated logging road off Northwest Skyline Boulevard, south of Rocky Point Road.
    20 to 22 miles from Skyline Elementary School.

    things that are Kyron associated
    anything that might have been left by those involved with Kyron’s disappearance.

    “. . . the things that we’ll be looking for, if they’re there, they’re still going to be there.”
    ——————————–

    I’m getting better at it as I go along.

  26. Rose says:

    I was just checking for Desiree case update on her Roseburg FB supporters page and noted a gofundme new Kyron anecdote. Kwlly ramirez had posted: “Kyron got glasses at age 2. Kyron is bee allergic.” I deduce bwcause she is surrogately posting for Desiree that her sister has been a major inflience on her decisions.

    I just did my first online donation; it was to the retirement fund of a NY middle school
    bus monitor, an elder abuse target, a 68 yo woman Karen. The Indiegogo site has raised over $160,000 in less
    than 24 hours, many $1-$2. BKH and Roseburg are very weak fundraising vehicles in comparison . I drew 2 conclusions. If the first month Kaine/Terri as an intact couple had done a youtube with a site like indiegogo, they’d have had several hundred thousand in about a week to fund LE searches for Kyron. Second conclusion, if people believed Desiree, Kaine & LE about Kyron then the bios wouldn’t have such very weak fundraising results and a narrow worldwide appeal. This is just my opinion after seeing Karen’s escape from the school bus funded so quickly, because Kyron’s case is even more appealing.

  27. First-time says:

    Rose says:

    June 19, 2012 at 9:39 pm
    @Blink. re “Most parents were told flat out Terri was a suspect.”
    Told by whom?
    A staff member of Skyline in newsletter or assembly?
    the PTA Pres?
    Or, Investigating LE detectives in the course of their interviews of parents the 490 list?

    If latter, that’s nono number 1 in how to corrupt an investigation, isn’t it?

    The folks I spoke to were told that by the LEO who interviewed them or other.
    B
    *****
    Interesting. I am just dumbfounded that there aren’t more squeaking wheels among the parent of PPS. Targeted or not – someone who was not authorized walked out of a school with a child! If I had a kid at a PPS school I sure as hell would be asking some pointed questions and would be demanding some answers. JMO.

    Some have, all have been met with, we understand your concerns, MCSO is conducting an ongoing investigation and feel this was an isolated incident and no further threat.

    His own parents are not demanding answers from the school, I would suggest most parents are just following that lead.

    B

  28. lyla says:

    Interesting. I am just dumbfounded that there aren’t more squeaking wheels among the parent of PPS. Targeted or not – someone who was not authorized walked out of a school with a child! If I had a kid at a PPS school I sure as hell would be asking some pointed questions and would be demanding some answers. JMO.

    (snipped) “Some have, all have been met with, we understand your concerns, MCSO is conducting an ongoing investigation and feel this was an isolated incident and no further threat.

    His own parents are not demanding answers from the school, I would suggest most parents are just following that lead.”

    B
    ————————————————————-
    I’m guessing MCSO at this time has sufficient information as to who the perp(s)are and if Kyron were recovered an arrest(s) eventually would be made.

  29. T. Ruth says:

    Whoa, wait a minute. LE told parents that Terri was a suspect? Yet they’ve never told the media that, and IIRC both Kaine & Desiree were asked if LE ever called Terri a suspect and both their answers were “NO”. It was in one of the older interviews we just reviewed the other day.

  30. quizzical says:

    Yes, that is the story across the board, 100%.

    B

  31. January says:

    (snipped) “Some have, all have been met with, we understand your concerns, MCSO is conducting an ongoing investigation and feel this was an isolated incident and no further threat.

    _______

    This must mean that LE has made a connection between one of Kyron’s fmaily members and SZ..

  32. Rose says:

    @Lyla and Nanuary. I thought Blink told us flatly that based on her sources no connection has been made and MCSO does not know the identity of the male who directed Kyron to leave with him. I tend to agree, because if he were identified it is sufficient he was seen leaving with Kyron to arrest him, and easy enough to get him to toll over on Terri for a lessor charge if there was a connection.!

    That is correct to my knowledge.
    B

  33. Rose says:

    January, sorry

  34. MockingbirdSings says:

    Concerned says:
    June 19, 2012 at 7:10 pm
    Blink says:
    That does not surprise me in the least. Most parents were told flat out Terri was a suspect.
    B
    ————————-

    So what – if anything – could Houze do with this information if she were arrested? And what makes it official that someone is a suspect – a filing of some sort, a media announcement, informing her attorney? If they told enough people she is a suspect, does that make her a suspect?

    I will say this, if all they ever have is what they have now, there will never be an arrest.

    To your point, YES, telling enough people as a LEO that YOU think she is involved is creating a defacto suspect during a witness interview. I said this over two years ago-

    When Jason Gates responded in an interview ( don’t ask me to source I have 3 simultaneous projects and a verdict watch, aaaah) “I have nothing to say about Terri Horman” I knew then, that influencing witnesses was going to be a huge problem in an admittedly circumstantial case. If this can be considered a case at all.

    B

  35. Kozyotb says:

    33. Rose says:
    June 21, 2012 at 2:30 pm
    @Lyla and Nanuary. I thought Blink told us flatly that based on her sources no connection has been made and MCSO does not know the identity of the male who directed Kyron to leave with him. I tend to agree, because if he were identified it is sufficient he was seen leaving with Kyron to arrest him, and easy enough to get him to toll over on Terri for a lessor charge if there was a connection.!

    That is correct to my knowledge.
    B

    IIRC in one of the first interviews with Kyron’s parents a statement was made regarding Kyron following directions at school. Kinda coinkydinky that he did on the day. I wonder if SZ knew that somehow or is this an advantage PEDOs use.
    Blink – in your opinion do you think Kyron knew SZ and if so from where?

    I am not sure conclusively if he did nor not. My gut says no.

    B

  36. Jack says:

    Unless I’m missing something, I think it speaks volumes that we haven’t heard from or seen much of Terri in 2 years. As a mother, if I was completely innocent, I would be screaming it from the rooftops and I would not let LE or my attorney or anything else keep me from seeing my children. I would be annoyingly cooperative with LE if it meant seeing my kids on a daily basis.

  37. lyla says:

    @T. Ruth says:
    June 21, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    “Whoa, wait a minute. LE told parents that Terri was a suspect? Yet they’ve never told the media that, and IIRC both Kaine & Desiree were asked if LE ever called Terri a suspect and both their answers were “NO”. It was in one of the older interviews we just reviewed the other day.”
    ——————————————————————-
    Hi T.Ruth. Whose parents are you referring to..Terri’s or Skyline parents? I know TH’s Dad was very vocal about Terri’s chances of being arrested…50% he said. Although she’s never been named a suspect LE had their sights set on her from the get-go.

  38. Rose says:

    thank you that despite 3 plus projects & verdict watch you continue with analysis.
    We need it to go on.

    Ty and your welcome.
    B

  39. Rose says:

    @that doesn’t rule out, though, does it, that SZ may have previously met & evaluated Kyron & his family systems. Kyron is the very embodiment of a TSM profile JS chose. From his physical and developmental characteristics to his seriously dysfunctional family members. And the latter wouldn’t have been hard to scoop out if one were a listening (to kaine & terri both) at the 24 hr club

    Here is my issue- I have not seen a victimology profile for an apparent victim in an over 2 year disappearance.

    It was his school, how lower risk can one get? Is that the sole force driving this case?

    B

  40. MockingbirdSings says:

    Kozyotb says:
    June 21, 2012 at 4:22 pm
    Blink – in your opinion do you think Kyron knew SZ and if so from where?

    I am not sure conclusively if he did nor not. My gut says no.

    B
    —————————-
    How would you answer if we substituted Terri’s name for Kyron’s in the question above?

    I am not understanding your question MBS, can you please rephrase?
    B

  41. erose says:

    Of all days that I couldn’t make my own schedule. (Blink I don’t know where you find the time to keep up on all these cases much less write and respond.) I ’bout cried in the car listening to the radio re: Matt Sandusky. What the eff does Ms. Gross have to say for herself now?

    Well fwiw, I think you gained ground on your thoughts on deliberations taking longer. I think Cleland set the stage for that though when he ordered the media not to report until every verdict in 48 counts was read. He wants them to go through each 48 as is appropriate, but I still say verdict by tomorrow.

  42. erose says:

    You are so right. I am glad to see them reaching out to the public, instead of the cloak and dagger methods of the past.

    NelMel says:
    June 21, 2012 at 8:28 pm

  43. Amy's Sister says:

    Here’s the thing… IMO Kyron was targeted but whoever took him did so for reasons that can only be dangerous to Kyron. Anyone who desires to harm a child, especially sexually, will absolutely do so again. This means that even if this was done with Terri’s assistance, a predator was able to walk into that school and take a child when neither of his parents were there. That should make every parent take notice should it not? This was lost on me early on in the investigation because there was some question at the time about whether or not Terri was still at the school which meant to me she had guardianship over him.

    Knowing she was not at the school changes all of that. Do we KNOW whether or not Terri was still on the school premises at the time Kyron was taken?

  44. lyla says:

    OT
    Verdict watch. Sandusky….hope they throw the book at him…I can’t stand to view his guilty face. His adopted son no less..makes me ill.

  45. MockingbirdSings says:

    MockingbirdSings says:
    June 21, 2012 at 7:03 pm
    Kozyotb says:
    June 21, 2012 at 4:22 pm
    Blink – in your opinion do you think Kyron knew SZ and if so from where?

    I am not sure conclusively if he did nor not. My gut says no.
    B
    —————————-
    How would you answer if we substituted Terri’s name for Kyron’s in the question above?

    I am not understanding your question MBS, can you please rephrase?
    B
    ————————-

    Sorry – “Blink – in your opinion do you think TERRI knew SZ and if so from where?”

    To date, I have never connected her to SZ, and to my knowledge, no witness nor LEO has either, or she would be in jail.

    Some days, I want to scream at how incongruous that is to the pending theory in this case.
    B

  46. Malty says:

    I never could see any motive on that Friday for Terri to take Kyron
    She had a sick child
    Kyron was going to Medford
    Terri had years to do something to Kyron
    At home out in the back areas
    Away from eyes
    So I have never believed she did
    IMO

  47. Malty says:

    I can’t really. Believe she hated Kyron
    I believe she loved playing poor me
    Venting and all
    She is not young and sexy she is middle age
    Headed toward PMS
    Hot flashes and all
    Some days she probably hates everyone

  48. MockingbirdSings says:

    January says:
    June 21, 2012 at 1:43 pm
    (snipped) “Some have, all have been met with, we understand your concerns, MCSO is conducting an ongoing investigation and feel this was an isolated incident and no further threat.
    ______

    This must mean that LE has made a connection between one of Kyron’s fmaily members and SZ..
    ———————–
    Rose says:
    June 21, 2012 at 2:30 pm
    @Lyla and January. I thought Blink told us flatly that based on her sources no connection has been made and MCSO does not know the identity of the male who directed Kyron to leave with him. I tend to agree, because if he were identified it is sufficient he was seen leaving with Kyron to arrest him, and easy enough to get him to toll over on Terri for a lessor charge if there was a connection.!

    That is correct to my knowledge.
    B
    —————————

    MockingbirdSings says:
    June 21, 2012 at 9:44 pm
    Sorry – “Blink – in your opinion do you think TERRI knew SZ and if so from where?”

    To date, I have never connected her to SZ, and to my knowledge, no witness nor LEO has either, or she would be in jail.

    Some days, I want to scream at how incongruous that is to the pending theory in this case.
    B
    ——————————

    To sum this up, if I am following correctly –
    LE does not know who SZ is and there is no connection so far between SZ and anyone else – Kyron, Terri, or other family members. Since the identity of SZ is not known, one would assume at first that no connection could be made with anyone anyway, but it might be possible to connect 2 people by similar witness descriptions of SZ being seen with a person other than Kyron, or next to the Horman truck, etc. In any case, NO connection has been made between SZ and anyone, with the exception of Kyron but only at the time he left the school.

    These, then, are the only ways that I can see LE can move forward to solve this case:
    1 – learn who SZ is
    2 – find a gravesite or other site with discarded items such as a shirt/glasses with evidence TH, SZ, or anyone else was there
    3 – find a credible witness who hasn’t come forward yet but saw SZ
    4 – find photos of Kyron taken by someone after he left school
    5 – find Kyron alive and able to tell what happened
    6 – find written evidence of a plan to do this or a payment for having done it
    7 – catch someone as they attempt to take another child in a similar way
    8 – someone comes forward with information they have withheld so far –someone who knows Terri or someone who knows SZ and can put 2 and 2 together
    9 – something turns up in all the computer searches and phone tracking – if they are still doing that

    - would anyone like to add to the list?

    Is LE pursuing any of these things on the list anymore?

    One other question –
    Does anyone know exactly what day and why we went from:
    “We’re still exhausting [information on] every individual,” he [Gates] told reporters. “We can’t say for certain it wasn’t a stranger-to-stranger.” (June 18, 2010)
    [http://www.theregalcourier.com/news/story.php?story_id=127687387448812800]

    to this:
    “Some have, all have been met with, we understand your concerns, MCSO is conducting an ongoing investigation and feel this was an isolated incident and no further threat.”
    Blink to First-time says: June 21, 2012 at 10:00 am

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