Jerry Sandusky Trial Begins: Witness 4 Says Dottie Sandusky Walked In- Amendola Commits Jerry Will Testify In His Defense- Histrionic Disorder Causes Love Letters To Kids
Bellefonte, PA- The trial of Penn State’s claim to shame entrepreneur, Gerald Arthur Sandusky began yesterday.
The victim, “just wanted a father figure,” McGettigan said, “but the defendant would spoon with him, put his hand down his pants, touch his genitals.”
- Prosecutor Joseph McGettigan
Witness (victim #4 ) testified to resorting to hiding in his closet with the phone after months of alleged abuse by Sandusky. 13 at the time, He said the alleged assaults became as frequent as two to three times a week and lasted for about three years. He weighed 90 lbs.
He also claimed that Dottie Gross Sandusky walked in on him and Jerry during an assault.
Dottie-Gross-Sandusky. You tell me- what’s in a name?
No sound sucking vortex overcame the courtroom.
No gasps.
Mrs. Sandusky, adoptive mother of 6 can say what she wants to those in town, but at the end of the day, it is this authors opinion that Dottie will find herself a party to a legal proceeding or two of her own if she is not already. I have had the opportunity to speak with a few locals last week off the record, and the consensus was that Mrs. Sandusky is in supreme denial. No doubt brought on by her husband’s recently diagnosed lack of consideration of others.
Backfields New Motion
Joseph Amendola claims Jerry Sandusky suffers from Histrionic Personality Disorder in a motion filed yesterday.
Is this a window to both Amendola’s defense strategy and laying the groundwork for leniency in the event (when) Sandusky is convicted by a jury of his peers?
Interesting that such a diagnosis surfaces now. In offenses that stem since 1994- how consoling to know that Jer Sandusky was simply creating conflict in romantic relationships. ( Author reminds readers that instructions to provide ones own air sickness bag appeared at the beginning of this piece).
ICD-10
The World Health Organization‘s ICD-10 lists histrionic personality disorder as:[9]
[A] personality disorder characterized by:
- shallow and labile affectivity,
- self-dramatization,
- theatricality,
- exaggerated expression of emotions,
- suggestibility,
- egocentricity,
- self-indulgence,
- lack of consideration for others,
- easily hurt feelings, and
- continuous seeking for appreciation, excitement and attention.
Perhaps I need to further inspect my friend and colleague pool. I know like 20 people that qualify for all of those traits and not one of them is a pedophile, or an alleged pedophile, nor has any ever sought the sexual companionship of children.
Amendola would have done better to motion that Sandusky had obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) resulting in mutual showers after contact with children of “abstract backgrounds”. I mean, disadvantaged children in the foster care system should shower more frequently as well, right?
McGettigan also produced a contract between a victim and Sandusky (via The Second Mile) that guaranteed the victim up to $1000 in college expenses if he kept his grades up. The Second Mile does not promote unsupervised visits with it’s participating children and therefore the contract would be invalid.
Um, someone maybe should check the handbook- every one of this victims over 15 years came from The Second Mile and everyone of the alleged atrocities were committed sans “supervision”.
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Mom3.0 says:
June 14, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Blink- I am thankful for response to my last comment I am glad that you did put it all out there thank you.
We were discussing Molesters and pedos not always victimizing every child and hiding basically in plainsight because many just do not want to see the truth- they only see the good side and block out the bad-
family and friends remain in denial-
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It is worse than that sometimes I think mom3.0. Often the family members aren’t in denial but actually know this is going on. They want to avoid the scandal and try to fix it themselves by limiting the time their own kids are alone with the monster but they turn a blind eye to what is happening. Look at the case of the philadelphia sports columnist (big fat guy who used to be on espn sports reporters). He molested his way through nieces and neighborhood kids and the parents knew what was going on but never went to the police. They tried to protect their own kids but left him out there to prey on others. It is only in recent years with the acceptance of the kids who had the courage to come out years after the fact and reveal the abuses they had suffered at the hands of numerous priests that society is starting to be willing to report these things. I know some disagree but I personally think paterno and various others in the program knew what was going on but just tried to limit the scandal (and allowed many other lives to be destroyed as a result).
One request to the board. Could people stop referring to the molester as Jer.
Erode I believe you have the Brownson House
dates. I will check the excellent prior thread when I return today.
Do we know roommates at PS?
I know a minister who was abused, not by his
roommate or coach, but by other sexually bullying boys. One of them now holds high office in the church and has written to the victim asking for continued silence. The victim agreed, even though he has acted out and lost his professional credentials, in the interim.
Dang auto correct!
*eroSe* sry!
Redly, I will try to resist my “jeer” at Gerald A. Sandusky (dob 1/26/44).
You’re right. It’s no laughing or sarcastic matter.
He was 8 when they moved to Brownson House:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-sanduskys-birthplace-questions-of-how-well-you-can-know-a-man.html?pagewanted=all
Lotsa boxers there then.
More history:
http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/555600/Residents-of-Sandusky-s-hometown-in-disbelief.html?nav=742
Research Ctr says only half of molesters were previously abused:
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7219828/no-one-seems-really-know-former-penn-state-assistant-coach-jerry-sandusky
Idk, I think his MO is pretty specific.
Aside, if there was any go-between assertive job- finder who as a Jerry-true-believer assisted Spanier & others to locate those govt DOD or NSA (a year or two of) private contract jobs, I nominate someone like this guy (see About):
http://www.walter-c-uhler.com/?p=8
@WordGirl (it’s ok, as I age I go from erose to erode, lol)
Not sure which dates you are looking for, but as you stated he was born in ’44, and his parents ran the place from ’52 to ’85. Sandusky at Penn State playing football in ’63. (age 6/7 – 18/19)
From 1952 to 1985, Art and Evie Sandusky ran the place — the sewing classes, boxing matches, table tennis and all the rest — and it’s fair to say they were widely admired. The couple lived in a small apartment at the top of the building, and they had one child, whose name was Jerry.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-sanduskys-birthplace-questions-of-how-well-you-can-know-a-man.html?pagewanted=all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sandusky
erose says:
June 15, 2012 at 5:41 am
(Family knows)
Hello Erose- thank you for noting those facts- it would seem that the family and others did know or suspected or at least witnessed enough to feel uncomfortable with a situation or with Sandusky.
I think annals said it best:
Don’t turn a blind eye to inappropriate situations;
-If it looks inappropriate, look again and keep looking, don’t look away.
-If it feels creepy; don’t get over it; look closer; even if the creeper is one of your associates OR your husband.
-If you witness the rape of a child; don’t get all befuddled because it’s occurring in your #@(#!^$ prestigious football organization or country club or whatever. Police and hospitals have rape kits, not your dad or your boss.
-Don’t be surprised if the predator is someone you know or if they’re prestigious or powerful or well liked. Plenty of predators know lots of people
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–The encounter that took place with Sanduskys son in the shower, we dont know when this occurred at what age was his son when he decided it was just best to leave? If he was a child himself, I can not blame him, but if he knew something or suspected something, or endured something himself- then now as an adult it is the right thing for him to speak out and tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth- to do anything less now would be wrong.
I would like to thank all the survivors who have come forward on this thread to give their thoughts and share their stories with us. I commend your courage and your advocacy. Thank you- for taking the steps to make this less shameful for those who speak out- Ending the silence and the secrecy is good. Peace
AJMO
JS strangely said in his PS retirement announcement: “I won’t permit my personnal
situation to be a distraction in any fashion.”
http://www.psu.edu/dept/psusportsinfo/football/profiles/sanduskyretires.html
That’s not normal retirement verbiage. Normal is like JoePa’s — puffery and
praise of JS. Perhaps his retirement was a quid pro quo for nonprosecution.
And someone this successful at 55 could be offered mega $ he couldnt refuse to stay on.
Not a very brief limited time University window of retirement benefits, qualifying at 55.
@Blink, My ever evolving “take away” is that it is up to the adults to protect the children, always, and children need to be reassured of that over and over.
We can see in the case of McQuery and Calhoun, both men were aware of an ongoing rape, but for whatever unjustifiable reasons, chose not to intervene, but instead to tell their supervisors. There was not urgency to protect the child. Not sure if this is because of the institutional culture or shock or cowardice or loyalty or fear such as job loss or retribution, but in retrospect we all .
Just as you and Rose explained re: varsity sports, no one dare put out anything that athletic dept. is not prepared to deal with, as the retaliation will not come toward the parent, but the parent’s child. Seems the powers that be require someone to put their own child on the line to protect another child, knowing parents will opt to protect their own first, as is human nature.
The pedophile does not only groom the victim, but the entire community at large and several levels of denial allow him to continue, with differing motivating factors, some worse than others. The predator does not speak, the victim will not speak, and the community at large will mitigate the facts and sacrefice to the gods for it’s perception of the greater good.
What society is missing, in all of this, IMO is God, or at least the lessons of most religions that not one person is more valuable than another, and we are all precious in His sight.
I think your point is well spoken, I would only suggest that the word GOD might be interchangable with faith.
B
Hello redly- you are right- thank you for making the points that you did- it needed to be said.
“They want to avoid the scandal and try to fix it themselves by limiting the time their own kids are alone with the monster but they turn a blind eye to what is happening.”
I agree and it has been proven time and time again just take a look at the catholic priest scandals- These priests were known to be offenders- and instead of calling the cops or at least removing them from any and all situations involving children- instead they chose to remove them from the parish and send them off to another parish full of new potential victims-
I too realize that we all want to think the best of Joe Paterno- but I am unable to get over his inaction- we may not know at at exactly what point he became aware but he WAS aware- so the WISHING he did more is no where near doing enough and it seems so many were more concerned with PR and a scandal then with children being victimized- I can not say for sure what was in Joes heart but I can not give him a pass anymore than I can give a pass to JS wife or any other person or school official who suspected or was definitely in the know-and still did nothing
Like Erose I would like to know who authorized the use of the key and the alone pool time? AJMO Peace
Rose-
Hi. Thanks for better clarifying your thoughts – Im Sorry- I thought I made it clear I was jumping off your thoughts inorder to share some info- I realize that you did not say certain things- but Rose you did insinuate that IYO Sanduskys college “deviant” sex life and his wifes later inability to “satisfy” him or make him normal brought him to this lowly fate- Rose – molesters and pedophiles just dont wake up one day in college or after being married and feeling “unsatisfied” and decide to become molesters/pedos-
I was trying to make the point that Its not about satisfaction and all most any sex in college can be defined as “deviant” depending on how conservative the “judge” is…
and one of my points was that pedophilia or molestation is not a “deviant” sex act- to equate it to such is to lesson the horror of it
as any act that can be seen as “departing from the norm” can be defined as “deviant”- Molestation and pedophilia are so much worse than that you know?
I am in agreement with you regarding Sandusky likely being victimized as a child himself-
Again sorry if it seemed like I was putting words in your mouth- I was only trying to share some information I thought would be helpful
I hope I explained my thoughts better.
Peace
AJMO
Redly- Sorry! Point taken.
Mom 3.0, I appreciate your definitions and differentiation (sp?) between molestation, pedophilia, homo-hetero sexuality. You also say that you’re not putting words into someone’s mouth but, when you responded to a post and the writer replied denying that intent, you continued to try to hold them accountable to Your interpretation. I won’t quote your words as anyone can scroll and roll and I don’t think it’s a huge deal, but it did give me a strong tummy tug.
I just think the word ‘insinuate’ doesnot have a good ring on a forum like this one. It seems to have a negative connotation to Me, even though it can be taken in a more neutral way.
Here’s a note from thesaurus.com:
1. to suggest or hint slyly: He insinuated that they were lying.
2. to instill or infuse subtly or artfully, as into the mind: to insinuate doubts through propaganda.
3. to bring or introduce into a position or relation by indirect or artful methods: to insinuate oneself into favor.
You seem very open, Mom 3.0, to constructive criticism. I hope you’ll understand why I think we can take a page from redly’s book and refrain from using certain words. (I already promised her I’d try!)
‘Jer’ is what Sandusky’s father, wife, friends, team, kids, and pretty much everybody who knows him well calls him.
If you have, or open, an account an amazon.com, you can bring up his book, Touched, and word search for ‘Jer’. Lots of entries come up so you can see that’s his nickname.
Is there an objection to using that? I’m confused about Word Girl’s “jeer” vs. “Jer”.
Redly had an objection. For me, it matters not. I understand that it is not a compliment or friendly version of his name. To each his own on that matter.
B
JMO, just because you are sexually molested as a child does not mean you will in turn become a molester. In fact, I think it’s the opposite. Once you live through sexual abuse, the last thing you would do is hurt another person. If someone, uses that as an “excuse” they are in denial of a bigger problem. I speak from experience, I promised myself that my kids would never go through what I did. Therefore, for anyone to want to try to explain JS’s actions by thinking it must have happen to him IMO is wrong.
kjazz, I so understand your angst, and I thank the heavens you are in a different set of circumstances.
I don’t know how to take your pain away, but I feel I have to try to prevent it as best I can for others.
I have studied a specific profile related to the Sandusky case with the best authorities and syllabus owners in the US, imo. This man was offended similarly, and likely other relatives as a youth, and of that, I have no doubt.
Offenders have different practices, sadly, but they are still heinous.
B
Best I can tell from this conflicting reporting, source to source, Mandy Musser, front office mgr of that Hilton Garden Inn, was told (by someone) to let Jer have a key. And she told her staff to give him the key.
Her boss, unless there’s an intervening person btwn her and the head guy there, is Greg Rowell, General Mgr of that Hilton Inn.
Now, I need help here. Those are not unusual names. But is that Greg Rowell the Greg Rowell who is related to L. J. (“Bud”)Rowell? I think Bud is off the PSU Board now, but till recent yrs was a long-serving Trustee. Age 80ish. Big PSU donor; former PSU football player; Bd of Dir of Hershey Medical–not sure if that’s still current.
I think it’s important to know WHO told Mandy to give Jer that key? (Or, did she decide that herself. If so–why?)
WordGirl Hey yes I am open to constructive criticism-
JFTR I did not put words into anyones mouth- although I did apologize if it seemed that way to Rose – and i did this becuase i know how easy it is to misinterpret the tone and intent of the written word, especially mine- which tends to get lost in the myriad of misspelled words and improper sentence structure and grammar.
Word girl, I certainly did not try to hold Rose accountable to MY interpretations- I shared actual facts not MY definitions Word Girl.
I merely used her thoughts to further correct information and correct any wrong suggestions
She clarified her thoughts and then I tried to clarify mine. Im sorry you took offense.
Wordgirl I do accept your criticism over my word insinuate- although I object that this word has no place on a forum like this- as with all of our speculation and what ifs- insinuate would seem from time to time to fit even here on BOC
But I agree in this particular situation I should have chose a better word such as imply or suggest- (which by the way are synonyms for insinuate)
see here
imply:
to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement
Synonyms: allude, hint, indicate, infer, insinuate, intimate, suggest
So I would think anyone can understand how it did seem like Rose did imply or suggest with her First post that In her opinion Sudusky is a molester probably because he was a loner and sexually or tempermentally different,but must not have been able to find “release” from his anxieties through “deviant” sex until college and after marriage he began to molest or in her words “act out” when he could not find the “satisfaction” with his wife which he hoped would make him “normal”
Which because of the implications of her words I felt it important to share the facts I know- this is after all a teaching/learning blog.
Here is the snip of her post I am refering to Word Girl:
He could’ve been aware in high school he was a loner and sexually and
tempermentally different, but not found a release from his anxiety
through deviant sex til college. I think it most likely he began acting out after marriage when he could not find the satisfaction he may havehoped would make him normal.
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WordGirl, I will refrain from using the word insinuate I am sorry that it caused your tummy to tug-
I stand by the information that I shared Word Girl and I only hope others here including Rose do not scroll and roll by this information- because again I feel strongly that we must not imply that molestation or pedophilia is a choice or a sexual preference or orientation and one does not become a molester or a pedophile because they are not “satisfied” by their relationships in college in marriage or even as a priest etc.
Thanks for your response WordGirl most appreciated.
Rose, again I am sorry if my posts came off as anything more than a difference of opinion and sharing of pertinent information-
AJMO
Peace
Is Greg Rowell, Gen Mgr of that Hilton Garden Inn in State College, the son of–or other relative of:
In Jan 2012, still listed as Emeritus Trustee of PSU:
L.J. Rowell Jr., retired chairman and CEO, Provident Mutual Life Insurance
Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2012/01/19/2981216/members-of-penn-state-board-of.html#storylink=cpy
Lester & Carol Rowell donors to The Second Mile (all the yrs I checked; TSM annual reports not avail online prior to @ 2005)
a/k/a: “Bud”
B.S. in Hotel Admin, PSU, 1955
Recent addy in Berwyn, PA, in Chester County (TSM has a division there)
11:32 a.m. – The witness is sworn in. Ms. Musser has been an employee at the Hilton Garden Inn for ten years. She does not know Sandusky but he has been pointed out to him once.
Photographs: The fitness center and pool area. Ms. Musser said she was instructed to issue Sandusky a key to their pool and fitness center to bring Second Mile children to swim. She had her staff do so.
11:35 a.m. – Amendola begins cross examination. Musser said she had not heard complaints of Sandusky being inappropriate with children in the pool. She said there is a security camera in the pool area but it is not very clear. She said the tapes were not reviewed unless an issue was reported. She said when they were using VHS tapes they would tape over the same tapes every weeks. Now they use a digital system. Musser said she never knew of a request to review a tape involving Sandusky.
http://www.abc27.com/story/18765597/2nd-accuser-tearfully-details-sandusky-abuse
(I read elsewhere that they were using the tapes that overwrite each week through 2007)
IF–IF this account is correct, then Musser didn’t know Jer and would not have given him a key except under direction from her higher up. One would think.
its almost like the children need practice saying ; no-i dont like this.get your hand off my knee,your kisses are creepy,i;m not here to play footsy.
I can live with that.
I think your point is well spoken, I would only suggest that the word GOD might be interchangable with faith.
B
For some lovely and faith based people, it is how to eat brussell sprouts or kale.
Healthy yes, tastey, not so much. Ends up the same digestively. But it feeds the soul.
B
Judge ruled on defense atty’s motion in limine today. So, do we really think that Amendola will turn Jer over to the prosecutors for a psych exam?
“Judge John Cleland granted Sandusky’s motion to submit evidence of “histrionic personality disorder” under the stipulation that the defendant also make himself available to the government’s own psychiatrists, so prosecutors could prepare a rebuttal.”
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jerry-sandusky-psychiatric-testimony-allowed-judge/story?id=16580807
Here’s the order itself:
http://www.co.centre.pa.us/media/upload/SANDUSKY ORDER REGARDING DEFENDANTS MOTION IN LIMINE.pdf
Schizz. No we are cooking with peanut oil.
It is par of course, but par in this case is about -12 under at the US Open.
B
Does this mean that Jon Dranov was personal physician to the Paternos? From the dedication in 2009 of a new wing to Hershey Medical Ctr, when the Paternos pledged $1 million:
““This gift demonstrates our continued pride in this community and gratitude for the profound expertise and care of our physicians, Jon Dranov and Wayne Sebastianelli,” said Joe Paterno.
http://www.huskermax.com/games/2011/files/10pennstate_mediaguide11.pdf
See pg 112.
@beejay. This Judge is SO professional.
way to go.
Not at all, just not objective and who could blame you.
B
The coaches and mentors of Brownson House are probably on this page somewhere. Charles E Doerfler (Popeye) got a 1992 award; Art Sandusky whom
he worked closely with, 1989 award:
http://www.wash-greenesportshall.org/inductees.html
here’s a picture of Doerfler, Art’s co-coach in 1951: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2519&dat=19870208&id=6rJdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=zF0NAAAAIBAJ&pg=3466,2020747
the Washington Merchants play an inmate team
Pic & script:
note not just Doerfler but aldo
plenty more Washington PA men felt clowning around with boys in the Pony League was very important–in fact an actor-comedian was President of the League. This Board & organizatio presented toys (model car) to boys (at least one who came to PA with his team from Mexico):
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2519&dat=19870816&id=5KhdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Pl0NAAAAIBAJ&pg=6896,4130533
Mow where did these visiting worldwide kids’ teams stay (sleep) when in Washington PA to compete?
Besides coaching at Brownson, Popeye Doerfler was also apparently a Union employee on a softball team pictured here with boys (including a son & namesake in 1946). Trying to understand JS’s culture:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2519&dat=19870328&id=MbNdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=z10NAAAAIBAJ&pg=3066,7945209
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2519&dat=19960916&id=ZIJeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_mENAAAAIBAJ&pg=1492,84462
another article said Art was on staff 4 years (1952-1956) before he was made Director. This names the Director in JS’ age 8-12 years as Joseph Julian another influential patron was Fitch. I am sure beejay or erose posted this all before.
http://www.wash-greenesportshall.org/2002/Brownson%20House.htm
Art apparently managed the pony league team those clowns (in the cut up picture above) were on the Board of.
sorry for typos
Understood and I hope for healing my friend.
B
Namaste kjazz.
B
Upstream, Redly said:
“Often the family members aren’t in denial but actually know this is going on. They want to avoid the scandal and try to fix it themselves by limiting the time their own kids are alone with the monster but they turn a blind eye to what is happening.”
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That is my exact experience.
When I told my mother what my father had done (at age 9) she said little to me at that moment. She evidently conferred with my father because they got me out of bed the next morning before my younger sisters were awake and told me that what I thought happened, hadn’t and that I had a bad dream. (I knew that wasn’t true because I had already tried to assign it to bad dreaming after it happened the 1st time. So when it happened the 2nd time I knew it was real. I hadn’t told my mother how many times it happened.)
As I sat at the kitchen table with them; I was crying because I knew that my mother CHOSE to believe him. And he could look me in the eye and lie. At that moment I knew that I was utterly on my own.
I made it my business to never be alone with my father and to never let my sisters be alone with him either. I made it my business to never be troublesome to my mother when we went out because it was crucial to me that she would always be willing to let me go-with. AND she always did let me go-with. The only times I was ever with my father without my mother was when one of my younger sibs would have been alone with him, had I not stayed.
It’s remarkable to me that throughout my childhood and well into my adulthood; I considered my mother to be a co-sufferer with us children. My father was a rage-oholic bully to us all. It was only after I had my own girls that I realized that there’s no amount of good behavior on the part of a child that can compel a mother to NEVER leave home without her; not even once. SHE KNEW.
Aside from my testimony, my mother was approached through the years by two other mothers telling her that my father had inappropriately groped their daughters. I overheard each instance and had been witness to the gropes. My mother’s response to the reports was profuse apology to the other mothers and sullenness at home. She’d shun my father for a week or so.
When my girls were babies, my cousin contacted me with her own story of abuse by my father in order that I never leave my girls alone with him. I assured her that I was aware & vigilant. When I told my mother about my cousin she immediately contacted her niece and her sister. She traveled across the country to apologize to them then went home and promptly divorced my father.
She was OK keeping him in our sick little abused family but once her shame was out there, once her own sister knew, she shot him out of her life.
When I asked her, now adult to adult, how she could live with him after my abuse and after the abuse of two of my friends, she said that she had viewed each as isolated incidents. We have spoken recurrently about this and “isolated incidents” is as far as she will introspect.
I have screamed the words isolated incidents. They are the two worst words in the English language.
My mother was/is a well liked woman; pleasant looking, professional, discreet and well spoken. My father (diseased) was widely considered to be a great big-hearted guy. In our midwestern lower middle class environment it was common to hear my father referred to as a GREAT guy. He cultivated great guyism with a passion. Men are weirdly gullible to great guyism and become intensely loyal in the face of it. To those who implored me (as an adult) to stop shunning my father because I was breaking his heart; I only ever said; You don’t want to hear why I won’t. They wouldn’t believe it. It would fly in face of their instincts on how they judge other men. Easier for them to believe that I was cold-hearted and cruel.
I believe that my mother deluded because she was unwilling to be judged by her peers. Simple as that. And in the mean time she believed she had some control over my father; an ugly ace up her sleeve; as long as she stayed with him, her respectability lent to his respectability.
By the way, my parents weren’t drinkers, they conducted their deluded lives without the aid of alcohol or drugs.
I am not at all surprised that Jerry Sandusky received more than one pass on reported crimes against children. Good guyism prevailed and there was the additional issue of loyalty to a prestigious football club. Can I scream this, once, here on this forum? IDIOTS!
Here’s a simple fact. Individual children are disposable when they threaten institutions. When sexually abused they will be be left isolated with their wounds when their victim-hood threatens the integrity of the family, the integrity of the Church, or even the integrity of football for pity sake.
annals-
My dear lady. You read here. You know that means I want to put you in my pocket.
That is no assanine way to think I can make it better for you. Who the eff am I really? My parents were not perfect, but they protected me, and my father is a good man, husband, dad, and no perv.
In my work I have met people that have not had that experience and I promise you on all that is holy, I do not take that for granted. I know my sisters and I are lucky, as do they.
I am so moved by your post. I want you to know that you have a message for folks in similar circumstances and you are a beautiful, kindred and surviving soul.
I can analyze a freak- perv in seconds flat.
I am never going to know what it was like for you, or a similar victim outside of a case file or study lab and I want to pay you that respect.
Speaking out is your contribution for change. I pray it helps you heal.
I have no magic, but I do have compassion and an amplifier in this site.
I wish you healing and peace.
B
Hi susanm-
You wrote:
June 15, 2012 at 7:21 pm
its almost like the children need practice saying ; no-i dont like this.get your hand off my knee,your kisses are creepy,i;m not here to play footsy.
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Although I agree we should teach all children to scream out no to run away, to tell- it seems as though these children didnt have that choice-
Those that came forward werent believed, because Sandusky had a heart of Gold
At least one of the victims, 9 IIRC did tell him to get off- did tell him no -screamed for help (but was not heard/helped while being raped.
Others removed his hands from their knees repeatedly- still others tried not to go back to the house but their parents insisted…
susanm,what happened was far worse than a game of footsy or “tickle monster” or “soap battles” so I sincerely do not think any of these children telling Sandusky that they werent there to “play footsy” would have stopped any attack.
Do you think if all the child victims told him they didnlike it,
or told him his kisses were creepy he would have stopped?
The victim that did, was forcibly anally raped more than once with bleeding- yet Sandusky carried on with his intent, so I have little doubt telling him of their aversion would have made him stop.
Heck one investigation took place in 1998 and Sandusky begged for forgiveness from the mother and also expressed his inability to forgive himself at the same time wishing he were dead-
yet he did not stop offending-
kjazzyjazz – Hello I am sorry if anything I wrote left the impression that I believe all children who were molested or victimized grow up to be pedos or molesters- Clearly that is not the case- thank you for standing up to be heard
AJMO
Peace
Thanks for your comments Redly and Mom3.0
A family does not necessarily have to be what we normally think of as family. Family is often extended to those to whom we are not related by heredity. We have an example of those who care and post on this site. None are related except for the common desire to help those that are in need in some fashion. We all sometimes disagree on points, but we respect and care about one another. That is family and community.
This is what I think has happened with this case. It is not only about the immediate family of Sandusky, but is extended into the Penn State athletic community and the community at large via Second Mile. There were so many that were touched in some good way that they could not bring themselves to take the steps to investigate when things just didn’t appear to be quite right.
Once the decision is made to ignore a situation,that person has by default become an enabler. I think many have taken that position in this case. That may explain some of our angist at the length of time this abuse continued without resolution.
Each person develops a value system based on their ability to recognize a higher power or diety concept and relate it to their life. Our country was founded by men and women who recognized that there was a diety whom they denominated to be GOD. It was from that concept that our founding documents and the rule of law were established. It also established the concept of human worth and that each was created equal in opportunity in the eyes of diety.
Because of these value systems, we have established a concept of good behavior. Whenever someone fails to meet these standards which have been set into our laws to protect society, something needs to be done to correct the situation. Sometimes it takes a long time to be discovered by the right people and justice is greatly delayed.
There are many lives that have been affected by the choice of Jerry Sandusky to behave as he did. Some have obviously broken our laws by becoming a default enabler and IMO they will need to be ajudicated by our courts. This may reach into some high places in the school, the local community and the state.
And as much as I dislike the taste of those stinky little cabbages and the tang of kale, it is all good for the body as is the understanding of a quality value system.
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annals says:
June 15, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Thanks, Blink, I felt that. You don’t want me in your pocket. I’m pretty irascible. Just so you know, I was blessed with great help as an adult in the form of a lady psychologist who specializes in female incest victims. We also had a therapy group that met for years, of like women, the Exodus Group. Victims of child sexual abuse have a plethora of issues, many of which are a result of once crucial, but outmoded survival mechanisms. For myself much work revolved around victim syndrome then, later, anger issues. I have experienced tremendous relief, though it isn’t appearant when discussing this Sandusky case.
What really gets me in this case is the Histronic Personallity Disorder aspect. Like that’s a defense?! I never heard of that diagnosis, but histronics IS a huge and particularly ugly aspect of the I-just-love-kids-soooo-much type of abuser. They cry and beat their chests. They mop the floor with their sobbing faces. That’s AFTER they’ve raped then threatened children. Histronic? Absloutely.
Spot on, and thanks for clearing that up, though the implications of carte blanche at the Hilton by a crony does make me wonder if it was a good deed, or something else.
I have spent tonight reading the many reader comments on the news sources, such as CDT and Penn Live to try and get a feel for the community thinking. Can’t believe Paterno is still one of the main topics of interest and dispute. I made some peace with it yesterday and then someone defending him talked about all the great offers he turned down in his career, the pros, the $$$, etc. Then it hit me hard that maybe he had other reasons to stay.
Trying to remain objective, finding myself, instead emotional. Thanks for staying on track Beejay. It isn’t always easy.
beejay says:
June 15, 2012 at 6:47 pm
impressive post, annals. TY.
@beejay. Imo that means JP was in Dranov’s medical practice.
(and I doubt the cancer was a last minute surprise to Dranov
who’d probablykept quiet about it or its precursor).
That would mean Dranov signed JPa’s physicals yearly for the athletic dept.
This size donation would buy a lot of quiet on any matter.
And didn’t JMc work there for Dranov, his boss?
JMc raising his son’s incident in a business mtg with Dranov
there to the athletic director was then rocking the boat bravely.
Too bad he did it ineffectually and didnt follow up
Maybe Dranov his boss said to let it be. .
@erose. imo it would be easy to stay if he converted those big offers to the type of salary from Penn State that would allow him to make million $ donations to Med Ctrs & libraries. Didn’t he have a law firm negotiate big salary contracts? Making it more odd he didn’t do same to ensure his key defense coach, JS, stayed.
I think Dranov has a role as a team physician, so Paterno was probably naming those 2 docs in their role as such (in his dedication speech I put up earlier). Here’s the other doc, who treated Paterno personally as well as being team doc:
“A source told The Patriot-News that Paterno was injured when he collided with 5-5, 157-pound wide receiver-running back Devon Smith.
Penn State team doctor Wayne Sebastianelli does not believe surgery will be required for either injury, according to a Penn State athletic department release issued Monday.”
http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2011/08/tough_enough_penn_state_coach.html
I’ve seen enough common addresses and other stuff now to verify to my own satisfaction that Greg Rowell, Gen Mgr of that Hilton Garden Inn is closely related to Bud Rowell, probably his son.
What I can’t find is any resume for Greg. Where he went to college, what connection he might have himself to PSU. Love to see it if anyone can get it.
While this door is open, my eyes are wide open for who else might turn up.
Also, some things getting clarified, or I’m being reminded of earlier knowledge we put up here. Such as, John McQueary didn’t set up a meeting with Schultz. He just happened to have an unrelated business meeting about 2 months after the shower assault that Mike witnessed. John McQueary and Dranov and Schultz. And whoever else.
Anyone remember what common business those 3 guys had in common? I’m thinking something to do with Hershey Medical?
Obviously, a total conflicted mess. Dranov close to Paterno, Schultz and John McQ. John a friend of Jer’s and Mike played football as a youth with Jer’s kids (or however that went–it’s way upstream here). It’s a wonder it ever came out. And it starts to explain how Jer had to be on a freakin’ rampage before it could be brought to (I hope) justice.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2006-11-06/sports/18350496_1_beaver-stadium-andrew-quarless-penn-state
@beejay. In my TX town, the size of State College without the college, but football was King, the prestigious
football team physician job was obtained because the 2 man practice was the coach’s physician.
team doctoring (where one is always on the bench & sidelines pacing up and down looking important unless you Dramatically doctoring an injury such that the doctor brings a player back to
their feet) led to much of that town becoming their private client. That enabled them to build and own a hospital. Which brought more patients and prestige. Terrible doctors though. Their surgery in that hospital (a simple hysterectomy) nearly killed my mother.
I don’t think it’s an either/or, but I now think
it’s a good explanation of why JMc called Dranov over to talk to his son.
Not because Dranov was his boss whose advice he valued.
But because Dranov was both JPa’s and the team doctor–to have him advise his son on how to talk to
JPa (don’t give him graphic details) and to inquire if this behavior by JS was known to the team doctors.
Another news source, another (new to me) testimony reported:
“That’s when Victim No. 10 claimed he was abused while riding with Sandusky in a silver convertible. Amendola harped on the car during cross examination. Sandusky sources say Jerry has never owned such a car and no one has ever seen him driving one.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf–jerry-sandusky-prosecution-jurors-strong-case-weekend-alleged-victims.html;_ylt=AmkNjzRv2ZiLcZy2ZC.zrVMLcykA;_ylu=X3oDMTFoZnA0Y2I3BG1pdANCbG9nIEluZGV4IGJ5IEF1dGhvcgRwb3MDMQRzZWMDTWVkaWFCbG9nSW5kZXg-;_ylg=X3oDMTFrODdzYXZuBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANhdXRob3IEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3
Was that silver car behind the courthouse when Gricar disappeared a convertible?
So, who owns/lends their silver convertible out to Jer?
mom 3,0 ,thank you, yes,it is way more esoteric ,i just think alot of children are not given that voice,or are afraid to to say no to an adult,i was purposely tackling a lighter approach ,footsy was sarcastic.i was thinking a kid “rap” for the talent portion of toddlers and tiara;s or willow smith , “i whip my hair ,if you touch me.” the idea that busloads of kids came to support , made me happy!
Any locals here? Any access to locals?
I sure hope prosecutors have knowledge they can use to reconstruct Victim 10′s credibility about the silver convertible–now amended, per yet another news source reporting it to be possibly a car with a moon roof.
“He also questioned the witness about the times he spent in Mr. Sandusky’s car.
The witness said that on one occasion Mr. Sandusky was driving a silver convertible or a silver car with a “moon roof.” When the next alleged victim testified that he had been in Mr. Sandusky’s car more than 50 times, Mr. Amendola followed up on the description of the car by the previous witness.
“Did you ever see Jerry Sandusky driving a silver-colored convertible?” Mr. Amendola asked the 27-year-old witness, or “Victim 7.”
“No,” the witness said.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303822204577464202264547984.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
OK. I’ll give up on the car. Victim 10 in a metallic/silver car in 1998; car with moonroof, or a convertible.
The kind of car guys rent or borrow to impress a date.
Maybe just a loaner a car repair shop fixed up the famous coach with; maybe he rented it while his car was in the shop.
A google flyover couldn’t get me close enough to scan the cars visible in Joyce Porter’s driveway. Anyway, IIRC, it was a recent google photo.
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Chick Doerfler, son of Popeye (Art Sandusky’s co-coach) was hired by Liberty Mutual Ins out of college in 1968 & was a top producer. (there is a Doerfler Dr in State College.)
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2519&dat=19700507&id=S_1dAAAAIBAJ&sjid=FF8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=703,942377
Liberty is a Pittsburgh Co.
Question for anyone who might know, please, is it unusual for the defense to make a motion after the prosecution has presented that would open up the state’s option of a psych eval of a defendant? Or has this motion been pending all along but just now acted upon? Do I remember the C-word’s trial screeched to a halt for some head checks (or was it just cause poor little thing was exhausted from her paper and pen shuffling at the defense table)? Just seems odd to me an eval by state might have to put things on hold….I think I remember most of L&O SVU episodes where the psych guys had their shot before the 2nd 1/2 of the show went to the courtroom
((Annals)) healing hugs to your amazing strength, your words are quite powerful, dearheart, bless you for sharing.
Ms. Blink, tasty, easypeasy quick recipe for those pesky brussels sprouts, for the Blink clan’s dinner table, if you wish, of course:
http://community.cookinglight.com/showthread.php?t=123622&highlight=brussels+sprouts
Hugs from NC
@beejay. since responding, I’ve seen (my post went poof due to a url i guess) Sebastianelli is the team Dr.
He’s an orthopedist who was also JP’s orthopedist. Is on Board of Mt Nittanywith Dranov and is Chief of Med Staff.
Here you see the genesis of Mt Nittany Health:
http://shelf1.library.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/tiff2pdf/heinz/box00204/fld00029/bdl0005/doc0001/heinz.pdf
JMc is Dranov’s practice’s Admin. This physicians’ practice continued to grow & name change (as did the hospital) from its 1985 name to Centre Medical & Surgical to Mt Nittany Health
I assume JMc remained Admin til retirement
The hospital building financing bond sale had nice interest rates these days (my url that poofed) and
McQuaide was the attorney in the bond offering.
I wonder the dateof the bond sale. One wouldn’t want to jeopardize the new Mt Nittany bldg (formerly Centre Community Hospital) .
Whoever was treating JP let the treatable lung cancer metastisize before the cause of the bronchitis was diagnosed.
In one article Sebastianelli said he had referred JP to the cancer specialist.
Mt Nittany Hosp announced the death & cause.
@Beejay, This could go back to Lance Shaner, the $$$ guy for the Villages @ Penn State, and the guy who was first to sue, and later dropped, TSM to get his donation back.
“The demand for rooms for games like Ohio State and Notre Dame can be unbelievable; it is almost comical,” said Mike Szczesny, director of operations for the five Shaner Hotel Group properties in State College.
Greg Rowell, general manager of the Hilton Garden Inn on East College Avenue, said his establishment had a lot of demand for the Notre Dame game, “but when [the Fighting Irish] lost their first two games, people canceled.”
http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/501318.html
Shaner Hotels is one of the foremost owner-operator companies in the hospitality industry. The current portfolio is made up of 30+ properties in 15 states and gross revenues of both owned and managed properties in excess of $125 million. New properties are constantly evaluated as the division continues a conservative yet opportunistic approach to growth.
Shaner is an approved management company and franchisee of Marriott International Inc., Hilton Hotels Corporation,
http://www.hcareers.com/seeker/employer-profiles/shaner-hotel-group
That flea-bag hotel you once stayed in may now be more inviting thanks to the Shaner Hotel Group, which buys, renovates, repositions, and re-brands hotels. The company owns and manages more than 50 hotels containing more than 8,000 rooms in 24 states, mainly in the East and the South. Shaner’s hotels are affiliated with several major brands, including Embassy Suites, Hampton Inn, Hawthorn Suites, Holiday Inn, Marriott, and Radisson. Brothers Fred and Lance Shaner founded the company in 1976, when they began buying and renovating small apartments, “mom-and-pop” motels, and student housing units. In 1983 the company bought its first hotel, a 95-room Sheraton that it later rebranded as a Best Western.
The success that has made Shaner Hotel Group the seventh largest-and one of the most successful-owner and operator of hotels in the United States was born of a combination of opportunistic growth and a genuine concern for people…guests and employees, alike.
http://www.hospitalitynet.org/web/11007328.html
Mt Nittany bldg:
a 2009 bond offering and a 2011 bond offering.
A- was important
good interest yield for purchasers in the 2009 environment
Note backed in part by revenue pledges
McQuaide probably got paid well for the legal .
was his firm the former outside PS GC?
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110405007049/en/Fitch-Rates-Mount-Nittany-Medical-Centers-PA
there are urls to the offering itself
Dranov was Chair of this bldg fundraising drive
Tremendous incentive by team’s Medical Director (Sebastianelli), also the hospital Chief of Staff,
not to rock the bldg boat in 2008-2011 by asking JPa to get to the bottom of matters reported to LE.
McQuaide & Stephanelli should be under oath in civil suits.
Rose
I think you are correct in your possible scene with Dranov and JMc.
This whole thing about football and close knit small and reletively small communities lends itself to relationships of protection.
In Texas in the last five years, I know of two instances where a coach raped a student and where a football quarterback raped another. In each case, the families of the young women were unable to get the justice they needed. In the case of the quarterback, the county sheriff refused to arrest the young player because it would deprive the team of a possible playoff opportunity. It took over two years for this case to be presented to a court.
When the family of the young woman who was raped by the coach finally managed to get a court date, it was revealed that the offender had been released by another school district for imporper behavior with female students. The attitude of the first school was just get him out of here and don’t let anyone know the real reason.
If I were the mom or dad of a middle school or high school female athlete in a small to medium school where male coaches were teaching, I would not allow my child to attend a practice or game without the presence of mom or dad or both.
@Tar Heel Gal: This Judge is moving things right along. If CNN’s source is correct, the prosecution will have a Psychologist examine Jer tomorrow (Sun). Court resumes Monday a.m.
“BELLEFONTE, Pennsylvania (CNN) — Former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, on trial on child rape charges, is expected to be examined Sunday by a prosecution psychologist, according to a source with knowledge of the case….”
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/31198195/detail.html
The motion by the defense, requesting permission to bring in an expert to explain (away) Jer’s writings was only filed with the court recently. And only ruled on Friday, IIRC.
Defense attys have what i think is referred to in the lawyer trade as a “bad set of facts”. I.e., an obviously guilty client.
No problem Susanm- thanks for your response. I didnt realize you were trying a lighter approach- I thought your reference to playing footsy was IRT the reports of Sandusky playing “games” with the victims as a way to introduce the sexual abuse slowly.
Peace
AJMO