Morgan Harrington Murder: FBI, Metallica and Virginia State Police Ask You To Help Them Find Her Killer
Morgan Harrington disappeared from the John Paul Jones arena on October 17, 2009. Morgan’s remains were located and recovered the morning of January 26, 2010 on the Anchorage Farm in Charlottesville, VA.
Reported exclusively on www.blinkoncrime.com, Morgan’s alleged attacker was tied via DNA to a sexual assault in Fairfax, VA in September 2005.
With the help of a multi media campaign, the FBI, Virginia State Police and Fairfax Police are asking for the publics help to catch her killer.
Revised Sketch of Harrington Suspect
Metallica offered this public service announcement:
Metallica Statement On Harrington Case
FBI Press Release:
Authorities Launch Multimedia Campaign in Morgan Harrington Murder Case
Murder Suspect Linked by DNA to Sexual Assault in Fairfax City, Virginia
| FBI Washington June 13, 2012 |
Today, federal, state, and local law enforcement launched a multimedia campaign that includes two enhanced composite sketches of a suspect in the 2009 murder of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington. The unknown murder suspect is also connected by DNA to a 2005 sexual assault in Fairfax City, Virginia.
Authorities recently enhanced the composite sketch created in 2005 from a description by the sexual assault victim. One of the composites shows the suspect with facial hair, as the suspect was described at the time of the attack. The second composite sketch features him without facial hair.
The two attacks were connected through DNA after a forensic profile was submitted by the Virginia Department of Forensic Science to the FBI’s national DNA database. The search found that the suspect in the Harrington murder investigation matched the DNA profile of the attacker in Fairfax City.
The multimedia campaign includes a public service announcement by Metallica lead guitarist James Hetfield appealing to the public to come forward with information concerning the Morgan Harrington investigation. The composite sketches of the suspect are being featured on bus shelters in Washington, D.C., as well as on digital billboards in Richmond, Virginia; Roanoke, Virginia; Washington, D.C.; and in 23 other states along the East Coast. Social media outreach and alerts via Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, along with a website dedicated to the Harrington case were also launched Wednesday. Podcasts are now available on iTunes, and radio spots are airing to further raise awareness of the ongoing investigation. The multi-pronged effort is designed to develop new leads and renew the public’s attention in the attacks. The campaign implements techniques similar to those that have led to the arrests of the East Coast Rapist as well as Ten Most Wanted fugitive James “Whitey” Bulger.
The Jefferson Area Crime Stoppers is offering a $100,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for Morgan Harrington’s murder. In addition, the band Metallica is adding $50,000 to the reward, for a total of $150,000.
Morgan Harrington Murder
On the evening of Saturday, October 17, 2009, Harrington attended a Metallica concert at John Paul Jones Arena on the University of Virginia (UVA) campus in Charlottesville, Va. At approximately 8:30 p.m., she left the arena and was unable to re-enter the facility. She was last seen hitchhiking for a ride from passing traffic.
Harrington was dressed that night in a black T-shirt with the word “Pantera” spelled out in tan letters and was wearing a distinctive Swarovski crystal necklace made of large crystal chain links, which investigators have yet to recover. Harrington’s “Pantera” T-shirt was found on November 11, 2009, in front of a row of apartments along 15th Street, NW near Grady Avenue in Charlottesville. Harrington’s skeletal remains were later discovered on January 26, 2010, in a remote field on an Albemarle County, Virginia farm along Route 29. A camera that Harrington had in her possession that night has never been recovered.
Sexual Assault in Fairfax City, Virginia
On the evening of Saturday, September 24, 2005, a 26-year-old victim was walking home from the Giant Food Store located on the 3700 block of Jermantown Road in Fairfax City, Virginia. The suspect grabbed the victim from behind as she walked down Rock Garden Drive toward her residence. He then carried the victim to a grassy area behind a maintenance shed, where he sexually assaulted her. The suspect was last seen running from the area.
The suspect is described as an African-American male with black hair and facial hair at the time of the attack. He is approximately 6’0” tall and was believed to be between the ages of 25 and 35 years old at the time of the attack.
The public is asked to review this information and consider whether they know someone who generally fits this description, who lived or had ties to the area around the times of the assaults, or who may have been known to spend considerable amounts of time in those areas.
People who know the suspect may not believe that he is capable of committing these crimes. He may not necessarily have a violent criminal history. Because investigators are in possession of DNA evidence that can either positively link the suspect to his crimes or exclude innocent parties, citizens should not hesitate to provide information, even if it is just the name of a potential suspect.
The following agencies are cooperating in the investigation of these crimes: the Virginia State Police, City of Fairfax Police, University of Virginia Police, Charlottesville Police, Albemarle County Police, Albemarle County Commonwealth’s Attorney, Virginia Tech Police Department, George Mason Police Department, and the FBI.
Law enforcement agencies are asking anyone with information to contact the FBI at 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) or the Virginia State Police Tip line at 434-352-3467.
Press Contacts:
Virginia State Police
(804) 263-5547
City of Fairfax Police Department
(703) 273-2889
FBI Richmond Field Office
(804) 261-1044
FBI Washington Field Office
(202) 278-3519
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I didn’t see anything insensitive in your post ragdoll.
I don’t think the friends have any useful info beyond establishing morgan’s state of mind/habits. I think Morgan was outside the arena, well away from her friends, for an hour plus. I think she then either got in the car with a passing Sketch or was ambushed by him somewhere around the bridge area. I suspect the former, but would not be shocked by the ambush scenario either. I think the crime is as uncomplicated as that.
This is a huge country, where privacy is valued, and if a person randomly kills a stranger and is not seen doing it nor leaves identifying info behind, it is almost impossible to solve without more. I don’t think he will be caught until dna, either familial or from another crime, trips him up.
@Concerned Mom nice post on HSTNG…That comment thread makes me laugh the shit that some say while at times may seem mean,is also somewhat true unfortunately.
@John Well I disagree.I think one can change their character W/O you shooting them.I’m not saying he did.Not to mention I don’t think you’re dumb enough to waste your freedom on a piece of shit.Thirdly,he would have to be the dumbest murderer out there if he fled the country and decided to comeback.Although,he may not even look like his “Sketch”,so there’s a chance he would return if he already left.
Does anyone know when Morgan’s AMW episode is on this month?I know AMW was in Cville in Aug shooting and it is supposed to be on sometime in OCT?
@ ragdoll LE down there can’t be that dumb that they didn’t already look at yearbooks.It was pitch dark in 05.Not to mention it was a traumatized women who was beaten to a pulp,who doesn’t speak English describing what “sketch” looked like.Obviously there was an interrupter present,but nobody knows for sure how certain she is except for the victim.That attack happening in the pitch dark I would think it would be pretty hard to get a solid look.You never know though it maybe spot on;but I doubt it.
To me “Sketch” honestly resembles the guy who was running around DC and parts of MD doing home invasions and raping.He may have murdered one female too,I can’t remember.It was on an AMW episode I watched a few month’s back.
Texas Grandfather says:
October 1, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Where were the basketball players going? Do we know?
Supose that their destination was near where Morgan wanted to go. We don’t have that information or do we?
Supose that Morgan did get a ride with one or two of the BBP and they dropped her off at the desired location. Now we have a completely new site that is unknown to us. She could have encountered sketch at that location.
I am just asking some questions in looking at new possibilities. The “friends” who rode with Morgan should have information about where she wanted to go. To date, there has been zero reports to the public about the destination regarding the telephone conversation.
Regarding your last question: I could swear somebody on here in July or Aug posted a news vid where the reporter stood in the RV lot and on Copely bridge.She interviewed Dino and he stated that “they know for a fact that somebody gave her a ride,and they needed that person to come forward and that person was not a suspect” or something along those lines.For some reason I think it was a post from MoM3.0,but I’m not totally certain it was her…
bp3- that never happened. No person has made any such statement.
B
Very well said, Leelee, Ragdoll.
@ redly says:
October 2, 2012 at 4:52 pm
You’re a good friend, redly! Thank you soooo much for your reassurance. When I read what I put down, I gasped. I know many here know my heart and I’m grateful for that. There are those that don’t. I’d understand if it was read and received in a negative way.
@Alexandra
Thank you for your feedback, friendy! Huggles xo
Ragdoll I also wish the friends were questioned again. I could be wrong but I never got the feeling that they were the subjects of a thorough investigation.I cannot wrap my mind around LE’s decision not to process her car. I don’t think they would have found anything but it says to me a lot about LE’s mindset early on. I think there was initial doubt amongst LE regarding whether or not Morgan was the victim of foul play or if she left on her own accord and that doubt likely seeped into the early investigation. Just think of how differently LE would have treated the situation if we replace the friends with a boyfriend or significant other whom Morgan fought with. LE would have hounded him, interrogated him, and processed the car. Especially if his alibi was that they fought, she was stuck outside the arena and told him not to worry and just drive her car home. I wonder if the phone records for the friends that night were viewed by LE? I hope so but i doubt it.It appears everything the friends said was just accepted. That doesn’t anger me because I believe the friends are suspects it angers me because I don’t see how red flags didn’t go up for LE given the story the friends provided.
I am very critical of their behavior that night.I don’t feel like they were involved but I 100% think they aren’t telling the truth. I think they have a pretty good idea why she left the arena. And I do not believe she ever said she would find a ride that night and they could use her car. They were fighting that night and they have admitted that while things improved tension in the air resulted in either Sarah or Amy not heading to the bathroom with Morgan. I think the plan was for Morgan to meet them after the show. Unfortunately she was ambushed at some point. After the show I assume they tried to get into contact with her but as we know her phone was without a battery and therefore all they would have gotten was her voicemail. They were also probably texting her. Given the earlier argument they probably thought she was blowing them off and decided to leave in order to teach her a lesson. I doubt think they really thought something had happened to her at first. Because if they had then they would not have posted photos online where they were pretending to hitchhike. Seriously what sort of person mocks their missing friend? One that refuses to accept that their petty behavior may have put their friend in the path of a monster. And once it sunk in I think they were afraid to admit that they lied and also convinced themselves (for the sake of their own sanity) that admitting the truth would not help Morgan.
ATGF I also wonder where Morgan wanted to go that night and as I said before it is not impossible to think they may have given her a ride. As well as what the teams prior engagement was. Alexandra mentioned on the previous page that it was parents night that evening and so friends and family of the players would have been in town. Perhaps there was some sort of event happening in regards to that. I do wonder why no player has said anything about the case publicly. When news of their involvement was first made public members of the media attempted to email many of the players. Those emails were forwarded to UVA’s spokesperson Carol Wood who then directed the media to the state police. Gellar chose not to comment but did say it was up to the players to to speak out if they wanted to. So they could talk if they wanted to but haven’t yet. All of those emails were When noting the possibility of Morgan getting a ride you noted that it creates another unknown crime scene. That is the exact reason I am always so critical and doubtful of so many people in this case like Morgan’s friends, the basketball team, and the young man who found her shirt.I will readily admit that I have ripped them to shreds on many occasions. It truly isn’t that I think they are guilty (because I don’t) it is that if any one of those people aren’t telling the full truth then LE is potentially being deprived of critical evidence thereby depriving Morgan of justice.I do sympathize with those who may feel they have a lot to lose if they tell the truth or admit to lying but potentially brief suspicion and criticism from the public is nothing compared to what Morgan lost. Life would eventually go on for them but Morgan doesn’t have that option. All that can be done is to “save the next girl” but that girl is in danger as long as Morgan’s killer roams free like a vicious rabid animal.
Bp3
Murderers very frequently return to the scene of the crime to check things out, gloat, relive the high, etc. They attend search parties, try to get an “IN” with the grieving parties, insert themselves into the “hunt” online, and in general try to be part of the “solving” of the crime to keep abreast of the situation. They are not all dumb!
Perhaps sketch will get his daddy to buy AF for him. The king might buy it for his fam to live on and they can then have free reign over the territories to make sure there will never be another possible lead.
bp3 says @John Well I disagree.I think one can change their character W/O you shooting them.I’m not saying he did.Not to mention I don’t think you’re dumb enough to waste your freedom on a piece of shit.Thirdly,he would have to be the dumbest murderer out there if he fled the country and decided to comeback.Although,he may not even look like his “Sketch”,so there’s a chance he would return if he already left.
Ok, so if one can change his character, and lets say he does just that, he still deserves to be shot. He killed Morgan, and for that he can never be forgiven, no matter how many Damascus like experiences he chalks up!!!
Leelee says:
October 3, 2012 at 5:07 am
Great post, friendy.
I don’t have any gut instincts when it comes to Morgan’s murder. Where the friends are concerned, they were all together at one point. Did anyone look suspicious to them? It doesn’t sound like they were together for a long period of time, so perhaps that dog’s hunted thoroughly.
Did sketch approach Morgan from behind or did he KNOW there’d be no chance of Morgan ever id’ing him?
Does anyone think it’s possible sketch was inside the venue at one point? I know there’s been talk about the back stage dudes….but they were white, no? I can’t wrap my head around a lot of things, LeeLee…LOL. I just don’t try but I often think about the ‘how’. How did he pick her? When did he decide it was Morgan or was it just a perfect opportunity. Did he plan on victimizing that night or did he just happen to see Morgan and went for it?
If Skylar’s witness account of the car and a couple in heated conversation is correct, she know Morgan accepted a ride. I wish that event could be validated. I still feel for Skylar. It just seems the timing was perfect and it was likely Morgan. Do we know if Skylar ever noticed the race of the driver?
Anyways….I’m going off on a tangent. I don’t believe the friends told everything for fear of how it presents a questionable friendship and loyalty towards Morgan. Everything they know could be something important. We know they didn’t set Morgan up. We know they didn’t have her back that night. I’m sure they’ve played that night over in their heads a million times. I still think they’re valuable witnesses that may have saw something without registering it as ‘hinky’.
I don’t know when but I anticipate, expect and believe he will be found. I put my faith in it.
2*4*1
I think Skyler backed off of pretty much most of her original accounts friendLY. Not sure to this day what that’s about.
B
Thanks for clearing that up, friendLY. I appreciate you keeping me accountable. xo
I would certainly never have to keep you accountable, you are superb at that to the nth.
I just know this is a nearly 3year old case, and the data available and where we still are with it is boggling.
B
Ragdoll
You ask if we think it possible sketch was inside the venue at one point. My thoughts from the beginning were yes, and I have no reason
without further info to change my mind. I see her being pushed down with a crowd of onlookers thinking she just fell. Morgan would be aware, though that she was actually pushed. She goes to BR to clean up the blood, and cries, not because she is hurt, since she is a big girl, but because she has been accosted and is frightened. When she comes out of the washroom, she might have thought it safer to go outside where she might find the police she saw out there earlier. She knows Someone resembling authority pushed her down, and she does not feel safe in the crowd.
Mom3.0 says:
August 23, 2012 at 3:26 am
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Morgan_Harrington_Murder_Mystery_Washington_DC-114604759.html
@blink; I was pretty close for going off the top off my head..You would think you would remember what you post,no
?
bp3- Respectfully, I am not svengarlic. Can you please reference your quote, what you are responding to, and what you are asking me specifically?
I try very hard to remember what In post, but with over 500 articles and hundreds of individual cases, nearing 200K comments, no, I can no longer pull that out of my what what so easily.
Thanks in advance.
B
Obviously the second off should be of…
@John…Yes he deserves to be shot,stabbed,hung or anything you can
think of to take his life away.An eye for an eye.
John says:
October 3, 2012 at 7:34 am
Bp3
Murderers very frequently return to the scene of the crime to check things out, gloat, relive the high, etc. They attend search parties, try to get an “IN” with the grieving parties, insert themselves into the “hunt” online, and in general try to be part of the “solving” of the crime to keep abreast of the situation. They are not all dumb!
I’m very aware with how it works. I was a Administration of Justice major in college, and have an uncle who is a homicide det in Bos. Although, I went a whole different direction with my career I’m still well versed. With technology today only the egomaniacs are going to get directly involved. It’s not that hard to find out what’s going on with this case via the web. Which is probably the reason why LE has kept a good percentage of this case away from the media.
@ bp3 says:
October 3, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Your uncle being a homicide detective in Boston is his achievement, not yours. His experience is not your experience, but if he has an opinion on this case, it would be interesting to have him post here. Riding on someone else’s coat tails is not considered admirable.
Yes, murderers do have a tendency to return to the scene of the crime. It’s about reliving the moment ( I won’t get graphic out of respect for the Harringtons). Holy cow, which Hardy Boys editions were you reading?
Look, no one is here to out shine or out verse anyone. Some are much more gifted at laying down the facts, connecting dots, asking the right questions. All of us offer our advocacy. If you care about Morgan and her family, you’re at the right place. If you’re here to win a debate, enroll @ Harvard. Seriously, this isn’t about you and being well versed. There are many who’ve been posting here for 3 years +. They’re your audience. You can’t just barge in and call the shots and demand respect and expect to be heard when you come off confrontational.
Further, I think Blink has been especially accommodating to someone who doesn’t know her format or her site. It’s her turf, ultimately. Perhaps you should consider who’s house you’re in before you make yourself at home. Don’t know about your momma’s place, but we do use manners.
Thank you.
@ John, that you for addressing my questions! You offered a perspective I never considered. Right now, we need to open minded and consider everything, unless something can be knocked off the table without hesitation. Great to meet you!
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ATG and Ragdoll … Yes the information from LE has been contradictory and confusing. ATG may know more, but. I believe here in Texas, it’s information that ONLY the perp would know, that is important in solving the case. All this other stuff in Morgan’s case that has been kept secret has hindered solving her case .. IMO. WHY?
Blink,
I’m really not looking for my comment to be posted on your site, I just had a few questions regarding the case that I thought you could help me with. A little bit of background: I’m from the DC metro area and I graduated college in ’09 in south central VA–Sweet Briar. I had friends from college that knew Morgan and I was made aware of her being missing 1 or 2 days after the concert via one of our mutual friends on facebook. This case REALLY bothered me. I followed it almost obsessively for practically a year. I felt like there were so many similarities between Morgan and myself and many of my friends. A lot of the details of the case that have been debated on your site as well as on the findmorgan site made me feel like I — or one of my friends– could have easily been the victim instead of Morgan. I’ve since gotten married and moved away to Louisiana but I still check your site every once and a while to see if there are any developments. Maybe it’s just because I don’t read about it all day like I used to but I have a few very basic questions about the case that I can’t seem figure out easily by looking through all these posts and trying to remember from the findmorgan site. I hope you wont mind telling me if you know…
1.) Has it ever been conclusively stated what Morgan and her friends were arguing about that night?
They were. Nothing earthshattering, or uncommon for girls that age.
2.) Do we know for sure why Morgan left the arena? Speculation at best, based on my interviews which includes witnesses both inside and outside the arena, I believe Morgan felt ill, very warm, and needed fresh air. We know that she was told on her way out she would need her ticket to get back in. I believe that sentiment was not shared by whomever she tried to seek re-entry through, and she was denied. I can tell you that her friends statement is that Morgan never mentioned in the 6 minute phone call they had why she was outside, just that she could not get back in.
3.) Do we know if or what Morgan was drinking/smoking/taking that night to party? Morgan was drinking as were the other friends, but there were no drugs found in her tox screen at autopsy. While there are reasons for that to be considered inconclusive based on origin of specimen, those findings are factual.
4.) What did Morgan want from the basketball players? I hesitate to respond to this because everything I know about what was said comes from one or two of them, and to be honest, I do not believe their account for 3 seconds. Not that I suspect them of involvement, I have no reason to to date, I will leave it at that in preservation of the civil suit.
I feel like even I, a person who didn’t personally know Morgan, but who feels a deep empathy with her and the situation she found herself in that night, should know the answers to those questions by now. They are simple facts, no? It’s been 3 years!! Clearly LE must know. But I think that if they haven’t released this info (and they very well could have I just don’t know) its for a specific reason. Can you help me?
I want to point out that the fact that you feel that could have been you , and to date still could without the proper precautions would make the Harrington’s so very proud that the efforts they have been so hurculean-ly been putting forth in the face of profound grief – matter.
B
Rose7
There is no answer that I or others that post here can give regarding the lack of public contact that LE has chosen to do regarding this case. I have thought about this for a long time. The only reasonalble response I have is that LE is fixed on their method and think that the public would not provide much help.
This method produces little results, but they seem to be satisfied. In the meantime, the killer is free to attack another young woman. Makes me see red sometimes. I think the information was or maybe is available to solve the case. It is going to take new people with a different investigative technique to solve it.
John’s point about a perp following a case gave me an interesting thought. It likely has been discussed before thousands of comments ago. As we have noted many times Blink’s source regarding the date Morgan’s shirt was found and the date provided by LE and the FBI are not the same. I tend to lend towards the shirt being found on the 11th just because I see no reason for LE to provide the wrong date. The week before a search was planned in one area but changed at the last minute. From my map it looks like the area was closer to Morgan’s location than the initial location. In fact it was right beside 29/Monocan Rd which is the road the killer likely used. There was a ton of coverage and Sketch could have Heard or read about in the news. Searches occurred over that weekend and they could have spooked Sketch especially the manner in which those groups were described as meticulously walking slowly through several fields. It was clear that those volunteers would leave no stone unturned as they were marking things like half eaten rolls and impressions in the mud which a volunteer noticed as the imprint was similar to what a womans high heeled shoe would do if standing on the soft ground. About a three mile radius was searched which would have been about 8 miles from Morgans locale. Sketch may have realized he was in trouble if volunteers kept moving in that direction. Could that be the reason he planted the shirt? One popular theory here is that planting the shirt was an attempt to keep the search close to the JPJ/ UVA area. It isn’t too far fetched to hypothesize that his reason for wanting to turn the investigation back to that area when he did was tbecause he knew searchers were closing in.
Leelee- where are you getting the location of the search changed at the last minute? That is not accurrate, I was in on the planning (privately) in a consulting role- but LE determined the search area.
B
Concernedmom
thanks for sharing that link
I had been wondering whether or not the Necklace was still important or not .. since the new campaign I had not heard it really discussed.
The last we heard, Geller stated she thought Morgan may have dropped it like she did her phone and purse-
I do not think so- and never did, because afterall Morgan retrieved each dropped item again and again all night-
That is up until the grassy area-( where the purse with cell inside and contents tipped out/and umbrella were found) and ofcourse half way between the lots Morgan lost the cover to the cell – (presumed) , as this makes sense – it would be very hard to find a small item such as this in the dark- but not so for the sparkly necklace…. JMO
The necklace, if not taken by the perp- should have shown up by now…although if innocently found- I think the finder may not have come forward because he/she may have been afraid of being questioned as a potential POI…as a person who has “ownership” of a missing dead girls cherished necklace…
Therefore- I think the Harringtons are doing the right thing by discussing the necklace again and stating that they feel someone innocently may have found it, and to please come forward.—
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Bp3-
Hello
you clever poster you- great memory
Yes I brought up the quote in August and Blink posted it ( she is not me and I am not her) not sure if you meant to imply that or not with your question of: @blink; I was pretty close for going off the top off my head..You would think you would remember what you post,no
?
— if not my bad, its not the first time someone asked, so I just wanted to be sure to clear that up for those reading…
Anyway, you were right- Capuzzo did state matteroffactly-
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Morgan_Harrington_Murder_Mystery_Washington_DC-114604759.html
“We KNOW that somebody offered her a ride but that person has not come forward….”
Mom3.0 says:
August 24, 2012 at 6:00 am
“We KNOW that somebody offered her a ride but that person has not come forward….”
and
“she got into a vehicle in Charlottesville, on Copeley Road and within a short period of time was brought here”
and
“She’s in a vulnerable and compromised position. The logical conclusion is that she got in a vehicle somewhere on Copeley Road between the bridge and the intersection with Ivy Road.”
Capuzzo then says
snipped post from Concerned Mom:
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Cappuzzo said “she got into a vehicle in Charlottesville, on Copeley Road and within a short period of time was brought here”
He then said “the person that allowed her to get into their car or who PUT her in their car”
One minute it seems as if they are certain she voluntarily got in someone’s car (whether it be HHing or thinking it was a taxi) and the next minute they are saying someone “put” her in the car. This confuses me. The two statements seem to contradict each other.
end Concernedmom post
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So….Do they know or dont they know- and if they know then why contradict themselves with dueling scenarios?
TMK PUT is the opposite of WILLINGLY
The times in the timeline all overlap and everything seems to occur all at once -after Morgan reaches the RV lot-
They are certain BBP left and Cduo entered- they say the students left… those who interacted with her left…??
No overlap of people?
Also they never mentioned the coaches and the asst coaches….
Were they there? it was a practice- were they the ones that were still in the area to see the fence walk and the cduo- or is it limo drivers or taxis-
I would think they all would be wearing watches so maybe not…someone was still around right?
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Lots of great posts- wish I had more time to comment- I hope to have more time soon
Keep it up one and all
AJMO
Peace
Blink – thanks for answering ALWD’s questions. Seriously, three years later and I simply am still blown away by Morgan’s bad luck that night. She’s in a spat with her good pals, she falls, she isn’t feeling well, she needs to go outside and she is not let back in, she wanders around without a jacket in the rain, no one “safe” assists her, she encounters a rapist/murderer, her “friends” drive home in HER car, potential witness are less than truthful. Dang.
There were lots and lots of people around that night. Again the mention of Skyler’s account(s) come up… Where did all those old posters go with all the local knowledge?
S I G H.
2 4 1
Someone knows something.
Blink, Bp3 said: “Regarding your last question: I could swear somebody on here in July or Aug posted a news vid where the reporter stood in the RV lot and on Copely bridge.She interviewed Dino and he stated that “they know for a fact that somebody gave her a ride,and they needed that person to come forward and that person was not a suspect” or something along those lines.For some reason I think it was a post from MoM3.0,but I’m not totally certain it was her…”
Blink responded:
“bp3- that never happened. No person has made any such statement.
B”
So Bp3 posted the interview where Dino said: “We know that somebody offered her a ride and that person has not come forward”
Yep. I was not clear what bp3 was referring to, but y’all are correct, Dino did say that, and it contradicts what I know, and subsequent statements by le- par for the course I guess
B
@ ATG
quote:
It is going to take new people with a different investigative technique to solve it.
unquote
I 1-billion percent agree! Does anyone know if a profiler was brought in to assess the ‘DNA’ attacK and Morgan’s murder?
I see this often on TV crime documentary’s, frequenly (the OWN channel is fantastical!). A case goes cold. Original investigators retire or move. Fresh blood comes in and they see something no one else did. Not sure if it’s doable, but if the current investigators stepped aside and new ones were assigned to Morgan’s case, it could be the catalyst needed to warm this up.
JMHO xo
“That is not accurrate, I was in on the planning (privately) in a consulting role- but LE determined the search area.” – BLINK
According to an anonymous source with in the VA State Police Dept that is an out and out BOLD FACED LIE Blink. you were not involved with any official organization’s determining search area’s for Morgan Harrington. Quit tring to look like you are or wer part of this investigation other than being an internet crime blogger.
Lol, well you need a better source. I was called by two different staffers within LRC as to my knowledge of the case and the facts being presented to them. I never said I had any input as to the search designation “you know”, in fact I stated plainly that the search area was dictated by LE.
The fact is, Keasey, I have provided significant information in this case, and I believe if asked, the investigators would agree I am a respected investigative analyst who does not post case sensitive information. Go spend your time stalking elsewhere and give up your researching endeavor, you suck at it.
B
They arrested the guy who just raped the UVA freshman that j.me posted about the other day. I tried to post a link but it didn’t take. Just search for Manneh Vay.
Leelee says:
September 27, 2012 at 5:28 am
Hmm….. Mom3.0 something suddenly jumped out to me. According to the articles I have read all the bbps(except the mysterious missing player) left at the same time in separate cars. So as you put it there would have been a mass exodus of players. And chances were they didn’t leave caravan style one after the other because 1. That would been obvious to anyone on the road that night and 2. It is pointless since everyone was going to the same place and it was likely a place all team members were familiar with.
@ Lee Lee-
Hello, Sorry it has taken me so long to reply thank you for your response.
Your thoughts spur more questions-
First according to BK it would have taken she and her husband and friend app 8-10 minutes to travel by car via Massie road to their parking space where she observed Morgan and the same group of 4 white BIB/bbp alone, around a car- seemingly getting ready to party….
She arrived late and first spotted a wobbily Morgan and group of 4 crossing in front of vehicle while still on Massie road she observed Morgan shake her leg and group laughing- she estimates this time at about 9:05 because she placed a call one minute later to a friend—she goes on to estimate her last sighting of the same group in the rv lot at about 9:15 (her car was said to parked Near not in the uhaul lot.)
SO— how is it that BK took so long to get to her space? was there so much traffic on massie? and if so it would seem there would have to be further witnesses to Morgans trip thru the lots and the dropping of the phone/purse and losing her battery and waiting around the car with same group in an “empty” lot for the convergence of players….
yet the BBp all seem to have left abruptly the players those who interacted, the students- all were gone before Cduo arrived
yet again, according to BK- the convergence hadnt happened yet — and all were said to be in separate vehicles and we know traffic was heavy -so even if there were separate groups leaving via both Massie and the bridge, it would seem all the BBP couldnt have left by 9:20 how could Morgans behaviors have scared them off.. they hadnt converged yet…and it would also seem some would have had to travel over the bridge…so at least one of them must have seen Morgans walk to the bridge or her curtsy right?
Lee lee we can assume they all were to meet up at the same event but we dont know that for certain and we certainly can surmise they all didnt arrive at said destination at the same exact moment right?- so again, I ask- how is it that LE can be certain that one of the BBP didnt have a second thought and then picked up Morgan and took her to her destination?
My point is not to question whether or not the BBP had anything to do with Morgans disappearance- my point is to question how is it that Police arrived at the conclusion that Morgan Harrington was desperate and HH but know for a fact that no one- no witness, not the father or any BBP etc picked her up and dropped her off…
How is it they are so confident that she entered a vehicle on the bridge or near it and no one saw her enter a car -but they know she didnt enter a specific car?
BTW LE have stated over and over again the students left, those who interacted with her left – I asked about the seemingly non-existant coaches and assistant coaches…could it be they were still in the lots and it is they who are supplying the BBP with their timeline – - someone other than the BBP must be supplying the times because if not why are LE so steadfast in their assurances that the players were gone at/by 9:20?
Common sense and deductive reasoning tells us this couldnt be so based on traffic and known witness accounts alone- right?
I mean everyone keeps saying the timeline could work but it would be tight- but LE themselves dont state this as a fact- they say they have no timeline and the timeline that has been released, has overlapping times and witness sightings of 5 minutes –such as:
9-9:10 – Walking, with her purse, through the University Hall parking area.
9:10-9:20 – seen in the grassy overflow parking area at Lannigan Field.
9:20-9:30 – Seen on Copeley Road bridge over railroad tracks.
Cont part 2
AJMO AMBR
Part 2
I know my long posts are maddening and I know going over the same ground over and over is insanity-
but I cant help it —there is something very wrong with the information that has been released in this case.
One second LE is certain -
They are certain Morgan was on the bridge HH- and she had to have been on the bridge by 9:20 in order for F/d to spot her-
They are certain she entered a vehicle most likely willingly, despite no one seeing this, and despite her belongings being in the lot…
the first accounts said a woman matching Morgans appearance not specifically Morgan the bridge witnesses dont have her with her purse or in a pantera shirt they stated a blonde woman wearing black-
right?
I think in the beginning LE was not so certain it was Morgan who the bridge witnesses saw HH- and I think they were uncertain hence their reluctance to state she was definitely HH… why the reluctance could it be because the times in the timeline, the witnesses accounts didnt jive-
BK was interviewed at least 5 x in the first weeks of the investigation- why?
other witnesses werent even questioned more than once at that point- LE in the first press conference- rader said they had yet to speak with witnesses-
IIRC BBP didnt come forward on their own…surveillance tapes of surrounding businesses hadnt even been looked at -
the 7-11 store said it wasnt until Oct 21st at the earliest that LE came around to review tapes when asked about the delay Geller stated well it would depend upon when that information would have come in….What?
Police 101 states retrieve all tapes— does this mean we can assume F/d hadnt come forward yet? and just how long are tapes and receipts kept? and did they ask for them in time from other neighboring businesses?
and what of the arenas tapes when exactly did VSP get their hands on that? IDK…
Lee Lee you wrote:
I agree with you that Morgan had to be on the bridge by 9:20.All players were apparently gone by 9:20 yet they were all ( or perhaps almost all) gathered around in the lot at 9:15.
@ Lee lee-
but not according to Bk– the convergence didnt happen yet because at 9:15 the same group was in the lot not all players…
You wrote;
On the surface the timeline works in the players favor in terms of being the subjects of suspicions but the devil is in the details. When I really stop and think about the actions of each player it become iffy. There were 16 men on the team at the time and police questioned 15 which means 15 were at least aware of Morgan’s presence in the lot.
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@ lee Lee I dont think this is necessarily the BBP fault though
I am starting to think some helpful “grown ups” who were trying to look out for the innocent players ended up inadvertently harming, not helping…for instance- perhaps the story becomes iffy because in their effort to help they supplied vague info that only draws suspicion
and other times stating iffy info as fact-
again LE stating for a fact they were all gone by 9:20 as one of the only set times in the timeline INVITES suspicion….. especially since Morgan Harrington can not be in two places at once and the BBP cant be gone and still be present… ya know?
you wrote:
I will be generous and assume that perhaps 3 players left as soon as they got in the lot. So that would make 12 gathered around at about 9:15.
@ Lee lee sorry I dont mean to be a stickler but again BK estimated the time of same group NOO CONVErGEnCE as 9:15
Convergence means meeting up and they state 14 players so it would seem the only players who could have left before the convergence are your TWO missing players not the 10 and not the 4 as the 4 had to be there for the convergence and the 10 were behind the 4 as they exited by the front door… see what I mean?
You wrote:
Their exit wasn’t a structured thing.
@ LL I agree
You wrote;
If the the event they were attending required everyone to arrive at the exact same time then their bus would have been used.
@ LL True again even if they were to arrive at a set time all couldnt have arrived at the exact moment…
You wrote:
Therefore we can assume leaving the lot was a rather casual scene even it was directly related to their presence on the team.
@ Lee Lee
No I disagree once LE stated that the players denied Morgan Harrington a ride due to her behaviors and once they stated the students the players were all gone 9:20 – the exodus becomes anything BUT casual-
IMO LEs language invites speculation which seems to say MH was doing something so bad that she scared off 14 grown men- and left them all no choice other than to abandon a vulnerable, wobbily, leaning on cars for support, erratic, desperate, injured woman, who needed a ride in a back lot- alone rather than chance letting her tag along.
and by saying this they are in essence setting up reasonable doubt for the culprit- as they have already painted MH as an aggressor and others as a victim…add to that the other accounts which we have Kickees – again MH =aggressor… kickee= victim…
The reason I bring this up is not to excuse Morgan- but if LE is concerned about the releasing of information, or not releasing of info inorder to protect this case or “out of respect for her family” then by God they have come dangerously close to failing in this regard as IMO the language they have chosen to use often is just well, wrong.
Cont Part 3
AJMO
AMBR
Part 3
Hope youre still with me lee lee and all-
I appreciate your willingness to hash this out with me- again sorry for the length and any errors-
Lee lee you went on to write:
This means 12 men had to each walk to and get into their respective vehicles.
@ lee lee- as you already self corrected it would have been 14 players not twelve…
You wrote:
So let’s assume it took one minute for everyone to be in their car. Once inside their car we have to consider there were 12 different people each doing something slightly different. For instance some may have immediately buckled up and turned on the car, others may have fumbled with the settings for the heat, at least one likely made a phone call, and more than one read or sent a text. Several probably took time to choose a favored radio station or CD. Some players had to back up their vehicles while others may have just been able to drive forward. Each player had a set of individual actions and each likely took a different amount of time even if the difference was only a few seconds. Also keep in mind that the team members weren’t the only ones in and out of the lot and therefore at least one was likely behind the vehicle of a non team member. We also have 12 players who had to wait there turn to be at head of the line. Once at the head of the line each had to make sure it was clear to turn since there was a bit of traffic that night. And that last one said Morgan was still in the lot when he left.
@LL Agreed except we dont know if the last player meant Morgan was still there when he began to drive away or when he walked off to his car etc…at any rate we know that the students were all gone at 9:20 enter Cduo but yes i agree this all took time and by deductive reasoning we can surmise that all these players were aware of morgan as LE said those who interacted with her lefy- interactions take time and all LE has said the interactions lasted app 10 minutes well this cant be right as the group of 4 interactions alone were ten minutes so what of the other ten when did the refusal of a ride happen BK certainly made no mention of it nor did she mention any behaviors that would scare off the group seemingly getting ready to party right?
You wrote;
The same Morgan who HAD to be on the bridge by 9:20 at the LATEST. With that in mind the latest a player could have left was 9:19. So what is the likelihood that 12 men with unique nuanced actions upon leaving managed to get in their cars, go through their little routine, and exit a parking lot onto a busy road on a busy night in FOUR minutes?
@LL
Not likely when you also take into account that the deniaol didnt happen until after the convergence and bk stated the same group was in an empty lot at app 9:15….
You wrote:
It becomes even less likely if all 15 really did leave together. Hell if there were only ten it would still be questionable.
It isn’t my intention to imply guilt in the actual crime but yet again the timeline doesn’t work and it isn’t clear if this discrepancy is due to a weak story from the players or police unwilling to deviate from their original timeline.
@ Lee lee i totally agree and I think those who were trying to help the BBP in fact invited suspicion instead and it would seem LE is high on this list as you pointed out – it is they who are vague with everything but the gone by 9:20 and basically saying it was Morgans fault she was left alone in the lot as prey -
You wrote;
I am doubtful that everyone was given a DNA test/ lie detector. Really doubtful. And if so it was only done with 15 members of the team instead of all 16. LE probably had to jump through a lot of hoops before the lawyers for UVA agreed to an interview. College athletes are revered and protected at schools like UVA so there is no way in hell I will believe that each player was individually contacted by police and questioned. It would have been organized and tightly monitored by the UVA legal team.
Lee lee I agree everything that might have been done was strictly monitered and I dont have a probelm with that at all- but what i question is again how can LE be certain of so much but at the same time be clueless to so much-
You wrote in part:
And if I was a player who had passed a lie detector test and DNA test I would make sure the public knew.
Lee Lee agreed the players silence is strange but again the coaches silence is deafening and LE choice of info released is mindboggling
Lee lee in a post to Olivia
You wrote in part:
You chose the perfect word for most of the witnesses in this case: dubious. We have her sorry excuse for friends who either left her on purpose or just didn’t care enough to try and find her and instead left town in her car. Then there is kickee. Something about his immediate need to call his girlfriend after being kicked really irks me. I don’t know a single man whose automatic response would be to call his girlfriend after a random person kicking him. And I also think it was weird that she told him to call the police and report it. If my boyfriend called and told me a random girl kicked him I would laugh at him and tell him that if he sees her again then could he ask her to kick him again for me. I would tell him to call the police. Next we have the curtsey duo. There is more to their story because if Morgan was as incoherent as some described I doubt she would have just randomly curtseyed at two men speeding by on their little golf cart or whatever they were using. She knew they were watching her and either the curtsey was a little flirty thing or it was a ” hey creeps I know you are watching me sort of thing. ” And we have the basketball players who were apparently moving at warp speed that night and so was the father visiting his daughter. Both that dad and the players packed a lot of action into just a few minutes. Finally we have Morgan who is placed on the bridge yet still in the RV lot at the same time. We cant forget Granny either.How does LE not see that their timeline is not feasible in reality if we are expected to believe all of the aforementioned witnesses have been totally cleared and therefore the information the provided should be true. Someone is lying. Actually multiple people are probably lying. I’m not sure who or why. And the liar(s) may not be the person who killed her it could just be someone trying to save face. I really hope someone eventually tells the truth because maybe then we could actually get justice for Morgan.
Lee lee you said in summation:
Someone is lying. Actually multiple people are probably lying. I’m not sure who or why. And the liar(s) may not be the person who killed her it could just be someone trying to save face.
Well what if the people who are trying to save face are those who are tasked with invetigating and protecting? Then what?
Secruity
JPJ
UVA
LE the various agencies
and what if the reports are faulty-
perhaps the witness accounts we have been relying upon at best are filtered thru a skewed lense
AJMO
AMBER
Blink I was referring to the the fact that the initial plan was to have searches meet at the Cavalier Inn but It was changed to the Department of Foresty which is 2.5 miles away from the Cavalier Inn and further down 29. It was my impression that tips following the news conference announcing the search resulted in the Pantops. If the location didn’t change then why did the meeting point change?
1. The tip from the search was not from any news conference, it was based on an interview of an individual who stated they saw a vehicle at some time of night with no explanation as to why it was there.
2. The meeting location was changed to accommodate the expected number of searchers and the ability to register them, check ID, etc.
B
Blink – I have a post that has been in moderation since yesterday morning. My appolies if I have stepped out of line or something, bring up Skyler, et al. again. Anyhoo – I see it in Moderation on one computer (not the one I posted it from)but not the other. It was nothing earth shattering….
Keep on it everyone. 2 4 1
Blink – thanks for answering ALWD’s questions. Seriously, three years later and I simply am still blown away by Morgan’s bad luck that night. She’s in a spat with her good pals, she falls, she isn’t feeling well, she needs to go outside and she is not let back in, she wanders around without a jacket in the rain, no one “safe” assists her, she encounters a rapist/murderer, her “friends” drive home in HER car, potential witness are less than truthful. Dang.
There were lots and lots of people around that night. Again the mention of Skyler’s account(s) come up… Where did all those old posters go with all the local knowledge?
Also – there must have been lots of folks around when the shirt was planted…and no one sees anything AGAIN. College town are transient places. You would think that LE would be engaging the public immediately to glean info when memories are fresh! What if a person who saw the shirt placement was not an area resident? They wouldn’t have known that LE was seeking info!
I’m frustrated with this case! Someone knows something! Someone had to have seen something.
2 4 1
The basketball coaches will have reserved spots next to their offices in JPJ.
First-time, you bring up a question I’ve wondered about. Where ARE all those old posters? I am unable to even find the old posts. It’s almost like everyone who WAS talking has been silenced. I think that is one of the reasons I can’t ever get Morgans case off my mind. SO many things don’t make sense. It’s maddening. LE KNOWS Morgan got into a car, then they THINK she got into a car. I wish they would clarify at least the statements released that contradict each other. The only reason I can think of that LE is not releasing information is that they actually DO have a suspect in their sights and don’t want to put the investigation in jeapordy. But it’s been 3 years! I’m losing hope in that belief. I think I’m going to change my name from Sydneyfrog (what my family calls our JackRussell terrier) to “Going insane over the Morgan Harrington Case in Oregon” Kidding. Also Blink, thank you for answering the questions posted by ALWD. All were excellent questions and I did not truly know the correct answers to a couple. Nice to put at least those things to rest.
Trying to catch up-
Olivia says:
September 29, 2012 at 8:33 pm
TGF, Mom3.0, and LeeLee,
I was not aware that all (15-16) players on the team were in the RV lot and drove away “at the same time” around 9:20.
@ Olivia
Hi- according to LE the players were gone AT 9:20
See Here Snipped Blink article: ** by me
Lead Investigator, Lt Joe Radar refers to the players as “people the VSP have identified” in his press conference on October 28, 2009.
Speaking on condition of anonymity to blinkoncrime, two separate sources, one within UVA and the other within the investigation, have verified that Morgan Harrington “interacted” with the individuals for *****approximately 10 minutes in the Lannigan Field Area*****, where Morgan’s purse was recovered the following morning.
According to Lt Radar, the basketball players, whom they were able to identify and speak with, *****left the area at 9:20PM in seperate vehicles, stating Morgan was still there when they departed.*****
- end snip
So it seems that the players left @ 9:20 and she interacted with them for ** approx 10 minutes ** while IN the lot add to that *they* said she was still there when they departed in separate vehicles
So how does that work with the timeline? IDK
You wrote:
I thought it was a group of four with Morgan and a few others in a separate group. Anyway, my impression was that perhaps three or four carloads left at about the same time. But in any case, their “alibis” would be each other’s assurances to LE that each of the others were present as they left the lot and at the gathering they went to moments later, I assume.
–@ O
Im thinking If this were the case LE could not state all left at 9:20 and later clarify it as all students left- then Cduo enters…. nor could they say all those who interacted with her left- and last they certainly would not be able to clear all the BBp if some were definitely still there in that lot with Morgan after 9:20 right?
You wrote:
BUT did any of them ride alone or with just one other player?
@ Not according to LE
Did any arrive a little bit later to the gathering than the others?
@They would have had to as all could not have arrived at the same exact moment…
You
How much time would it take to assault and murder Morgan and then leave her somewhere to take to AF later? Sounds farfetched, perhaps, but some monster did this…and people have passed poly tests before. IDK, I just wonder if there is a connection between the any of the BBPs and Sketch.
JMO
@ O
I dont know Olivia but who says Morgan had to placed on AF immediately?- I understand your concerns but LE has stated all witnesses have been cleared so I hope they have been
What worries me is that perhaps in some peoples zealousness not to turn this into a bunch of Duke rumors- some may have rushed thru making a timeline and may still be holding onto that “tentative” timeline with that specific set time of 9:20, one of only 3 set times BTW —because they tried to prevent rumors or save face, perhaps not because it is in fact the truth of the matter– again how can Granny sighting be out but NP may be in, and how can BBP be gone yet they must have been there if we take BK account and walkthru LEs nonexistant timeline
Again I dont understand LE strategy with keeping the bbp interactions secret because they could be doing more harm then good as IME the culprits defense will jump all over any “questionable” things and attack Morgan at every opportunity as in most rape cases- so if for one moment they sense LE is trying to hide some dirt they will dig it up and take that mud and make it into a mountain….
firsttime-
If your post is still showing just copy it and paste to repost-
Sometimes my posts get hold up for no reason too.
AJMO
AMBR
redly-
Thanks for sharing that info…
but according to Observer JPJ asks all employees to give up their spots on concert event nights-
I wonder if this would apply to the coaches and most definitely the assistant coaches as the players themselves went to the “overflow” lot inorder to better accommodate jpj patrons that night- the lot is reserved for players on concert nights and donors too…. can we add others to that list?
Heres Obsrevers post snipped for reference:
Observer says:
November 20, 2009 at 3:50 pm
I am sorry that I have been unable until now to weigh in on this thread.
Please pay very close attention to localcvillegirl’s comments. They should help to clarify certain important items that may help to alleviate misconceptions and/or faulty conclusions. I offer this counsel because I remain concerned that readers may be unintentionally connecting the dots in a fashion that may lead to possibly inaccurate conclusions. Speculation and/or assumption absent facts is the quintessential “slippery slope” in an investigatory process.
Some additional, key points seen in the following excerpts merit close attention, as well:
From George #3:
“…The question then becomes wheither or not the Cage lot was given over to JPJ arena event parking for the Metallica concert as the larger lots were.”
From mosaic #9:
“…it’s important to note that according to the UVA website, parking at the Cage lot is open during JPJ events for event goers. In other words, we cannot assume that only athletes or season pass holders would have access to this lot during the time of Morgan’s disappearance.”
As localcvillegirl aptly pointed-out, during JPJ events that are predicted to draw substantial crowds, e.g., most concerts, many–if not most–of the lots in the vicinity of JPJ are opened for attendees. Case-in-point: My office is blocks away from JPJ, but easily within walking distance. Each time that JPJ hosts an event drawing large numbers of attendees, we advise our employees to clear the lot/move their cars at the close of the business day to allow room for event attendees that evening. This is SOP (“Standard Operating Procedure”).
PS speaking of that list- It has been said some witnesses did not have watches— which implys some did, right? well exactly what witness did? none that we have heard from- except possibly NP
PSS Sydney Frog- Which old posts are you looking for? If Skylers there here Observers are here- as shown above- try looking by date.
AJMO AMBR
Peace
need to clarify Observer stated even her work blocks away advises employees to move not specifically JPJ but still wouldnt JPJ do the same otherwise whats the point of parking attendants and overflow lots and traffic directors etc??
AJMO
I answered part of one of my own question- the lot although reserved is also open to all- so the list could be long we know at least 14 players were there… were the coaches/asst? or did they opt to stay in their usual spots?
Blink thanks for the clarification. I didn’t appropriately explain why I thought there was a slight change in the location of the search. I thought that when a search party met the search began at the location of that meeting. Therefore by moving 2.5 miles away the 3 mile radius includes some areas that wouldn’t have been included if the meeting spot had not changed.
I also have a question I forgot to ask earlier. You said you did not believe the accounts of the two players you communicated with. Not too long ago I noted several people on forums etc spoke about what they had heard regarding Morgan’s interactions with the players which I dont believe and I won’t repeat as it seems so out of character for Morgan. I initially thought the accusations Were rumors and didn’t come from any player. However now that I see you spoke to two players and they Told you something you did not believe I see those rumors likely did come from the players. Why do you think they felt the need to lie?
Because I believe they thought they would be likely suspects of something in an instant and perhaps to underscore the fact that they felt Morgan was “wobbly”.
B
Did Ms Parson see Morgan at 3AM on UVA LAWN?
alexandra says:
October 6, 2012 at 10:25 am
Did Ms Parson see Morgan at 3AM on UVA LAWN?
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Ms. Parson believes she saw Morgan on the West Range of the Lawn at around 3 am or thereabouts.
Alexandra in NP accounts the time of believed sighting was at 3:45 am
Re Lee Lee w/blinks response
I also have a question I forgot to ask earlier. You said you did not believe the accounts of the two players you communicated with. Not too long ago I noted several people on forums etc spoke about what they had heard regarding Morgan’s interactions with the players which I dont believe and I won’t repeat as it seems so out of character for Morgan. I initially thought the accusations Were rumors and didn’t come from any player. However now that I see you spoke to two players and they Told you something you did not believe I see those rumors likely did come from the players. Why do you think they felt the need to lie?
Because I believe they thought they would be likely suspects of something in an instant and perhaps to underscore the fact that they felt Morgan was “wobbly”.
B
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Blink- are you confirming that you spoke directly to 2 BBP and that they told you of the “rumored” bad behavior?
Lets all stop beating around the bush-
It is my understanding from reading the “rumors” that Morgan Harrington made some racial slurs to one or more of the AA players.-
Is this what these 2 players spoke of to you that you dont believe?
I dont know Morgan and she has been said to have been acting out of character that night. Is it so hard to believe if she was inebriated or outof sorts or suffering from a head injury and pissed that she may have made a very ugly & inappropriate comment or two?
If true, does this erase all of Morgan Harringtons otherwise good deeds and all inclusive caring attitude- would it mean that she was a racist? Of course not it would mean she was a drunk stupid and wrong Would it mean the BBP were right to leave an injured wobbily drunk vulnerable young woman alone to fend for herself? Of course not it would mean they should have contacted their coaches or a security person or a taxi- someone to “deal” with the young woman tag along who needed a ride- who up until the rumored bad behavior was looking to them for a ride.
I dont know what was said or the context in which it was said-
I have also heard that Morgan may have been overly flirtatious
But cant we all just get it all out front and center and apply logic to the supposed conversations?
Glossing over these alleged behaviors is dettrimental to the case- IMO
as I said hiding something gives the supposed “something ” more weight not less
IIRC Morgan Harrington from the age of twelve volunteered with children affected by domestic violence- the children there loved her and respected her- it seems to me in 8 years of volunteering she would have come in contact with and would have helped many children all from different races cultures and socio-economic backgrounds
Her family and she were very active in helping others , including those of Africa- etc
Morgan had friends of all races right she seemed anything but racist
So- why are we all running from these rumors we should all be facing them head on-
To not do so is to silently sweep it all under the rug- Morgan is not here to defend herself and everything that may have occurred in the “limited interactions” can only be told from the livings view point-
Isnt it possible it was all a horrible misunderstanding? And even if it turns out that Morgan did say and do those things or reacted to the denial of a ride with hatred and venom and racial slurs isnt it better to discuss it all now- rather than to continue to hush it all up and let the defense someday work it to the perps advantage?
We all keep asking for the secrecy to stop we all keep asking for the BBP to reveal what they know– the police left it up to them to come forward and speak-
Well if we are all ready to call them liars and saying we dont believe it could be true- why would they risk coming out to share information which they know the public wont like?
Isnt it time we start to talk about it- everything will surely come out in the RMC lawsuit
again my point is if we all continue to gloss over it all it only adds more weight to it and only aids in making everyone but Morgan the victim
Respectfully submitted
Peace
AMBR
AJMO
I am not confirming anything outside of what I have stated, no intention of beating around a bush, this is a criminal and civil matter.
B
What gives me pause about the BBP interactions is the 9:20 set time and the fact that the players did not come forward on their own.
Also early on LE stated that they had talked to SOME of the players – did they ever talk to ALL of the players and again what of the coaches? Does SOME of the players refer to all 14 mentioned and not 16 or is it some of the mentioned 14 and what about the other two?
Early post w Blink response snip:
mayhem says:
November 12, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Blink, do you have any information you can share in regards to what these gentleman may have discussed with Morgan that night? I wonder what their story is. Did they come forward to the police with this information after recognizing her photo, or did a witness tip police that she was conversing with some bball players?
There are several tips that led to the bball players interaction. I confirmed this through 2 sources. The ID of the players has NOT been confirmed.
end snip
question Blink-
Can you confirm for us now the id of the players who interacted w Morgan? and Are the 2 sources you sited in 2009 the same as the 2 BBP you mentioned in your response to ALWDs post:
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“I hesitate to respond to this because everything I know about what was said comes from one or two of them, and to be honest, I do not believe their account for 3 seconds. ”
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Earlier post w Blink response snip:
Brandie says:
November 13, 2009 at 2:48 am
If this question has already been submitted, I apologize. Is it known whether the b-ball players came forward on their own with the information of having interaction with Morgan that night?
It is my understanding that the tip about the interaction came from the limo driver, and then the UVA Police contacted the staff and from those interviews identified the gentlemen “interacting” with Morgan that evening. I am aware of their statements and not releasing that at this time as I have been asked not to. I can say they told LE they left the area at 9:20PM, Morgan was still there, and at the time of their statements LE had no reason to believe that they came back for her or had any further interaction. Beyond that, I have no idea what their status is in the ongoing investigation to find Morgan. I think we need to treat this for what it is, what we know at this time. This is the last verified sighting of a missing woman.
B
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Question
The BBP did not come forward on their own and the limo driver to which you refer said he saw Morgan interact outside the arena with 3 “very tall” black men, and saw them walking together towards U-Hall. They passed right in front of his vehicle.
—How does this work with BK 2 sightings one with 4 white men shaking leg then SAME group of men in empty lot?
Did Morgan leave yhe 4 BIB/ BBP and walk with some from front exit group only to leave 3 tall black men (presumed other BBP) to sit alone in lot with same group of 4 waiting for the convergence of front door group which would have included the 3 TBM?
Here is the limo snip-
Posted by: Hoo-80 on Thu Nov 12 2009 5:38:46 PM
Message:
but I can confirm this much. I have an employee that was parked
outside the JPJ all evening waiting for passengers. He saw a girl that
matched the description of Morgan, down to what she was wearing. He
also saw her interact outside the arena with 3 “very tall” black men, and
saw them walking together towards U-Hall. They passed right in front of
his vehicle. My employee has spoken to the police 3 times since that
evening about what he saw. This certainly doesn’t prove anything at all
relative to any UVA basketball players, but unfortunately it does give the
story some credibility. When my emplouee told me the story, my fisrt
thought was please,please,please, don’t let any basketball players be
involved in this.
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AJMO
AMBR
Ps according to early article snip:
According to the investigation timeline, Harrington left the concert venue and walked past University Hall and at that time it is believed she came into contact with the players.
—What about Morgan immediately walking off with the BIB the BBP that exited near kickee side door? this article came out Nov 24 09– had they still not found and spoke to the side door group? and again the LE statement reads they interviewed some of the players so when did they interview all- and if they hadnt found all of the BBP yet how could they have stated that they were sure all BBP were gone at 9:20pm? And also make the statement that all cooperated fully and helped to establish Morgans movements?
Here is full article:
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-harrington-uva-basketball-team-091124,0,1624772.story
Morgan Harrington Investigation
Members of UVA men’s basketball team may have been among those who encountered her at John Paul Jones Arena.
November 24, 2009
CBS 6 has learned that members of the University of Virginia men’s basketball team are among those interviewed in the disappearance of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington.
Corinne Geller with the Virginia State Police tells CBS 6 that the team was practicing at University Hall on October 17, the day of the Metallica concert at John Paul Jones Arena where Harrington was last seen.
According to the investigation timeline, Harrington left the concert venue and walked past University Hall and at that time it is believed she came into contact with the players.
State Police say the players who were interviewed cooperated fully with police and they make up a small portion of people who’ve been interviewed in the case.
Here is the official Statement from UVA:
“Because of the number of rumors that have been circulating about members of the University’s men¹s basketball team in regard to the Morgan Harrington case, we felt it was important to make a statement to set the record straight. As police worked to establish a time line of October 17 in hopes of locating Ms. Harrington, they interviewed a number of witnesses, including some members of the men¹s basketball team.
After a practice, team members had been approached by a female consistent with Ms. Harrington’s description. They cooperated fully with law enforcement investigators and, like other witnesses interviewed by the police, they provided information that is important to police efforts to establish Ms. Harrington¹s movements.”
AJMO
AMBR
I cannot, but fair question.
B
bp3 was told above: Your uncle being a homicide detective in Boston is his achievement, not yours. His experience is not your experience, but if he has an opinion on this case, it would be interesting to have him post here. Riding on someone else’s coat tails is not considered admirable.
Just want to say, perhaps bp3′s point was to say that s/he hears a lot about homicide cases from the “inside” through conversations with Uncle Detective.
It seems clear-to me-that LE’s statements about Morgan getting in a car are based on assumptions rather than facts, and are certainly what they want the public to believe. (Random murderer lurking off UVA grounds.) However, there is no witness to her getting in a car, as far as we know, only witnesses to her hitch-hiking. I was at the U-Hall lot the other day for a soccer game at Klockner (across the street) and estimated how long it would take to walk from the bridge to the arena: one or two minutes. Therefore it is entirely possible that she left the bridge and went elsewhere right after being spotted hitch-hiking there. So it also seems possible that the curtsy duo saw her AFTER she hitched, and from there she may have gone anywhere in the surrounding area, and therefore been assaulted elsewhere after 9:22 or so.
Of course, LE quite possibly is holding something back–information about a car picking her up based on a “secret” witness account or camera film footage. But if that is not the case, then there is no reason to assume that she was picked up and/or assaulted on the bridge.
Covering old ground.
Timeline:
BBPs and others in the RV lot: 9:15
BBPs (and all others?) leave – 9:20
Dad/Daughter see her hitching alone on the bridge – 9:21?
Curtsy Duo drives by and sees her alone at the porta-potty bowing, curtsying or whatever – TIME?
Dad/Daughter arrive at the dorms – 9:23
Morgan’s phone battery out – 9:30
Dad’s receipt stamped – 9:30
Dad back on the bridge – 9:32
So it seems possible that she was assaulted in the lot just after the CD saw her and where her things were found. And again, we must ask just who the CD were.
Or that she walked across the lot and was seen arguing with a young man by Granny.
Either he jumped out at her in the parking lot, or she somehow got in his car, or another person’s car and met up with Sketch later, or she went to the Lawn with 3 or 4 guys as described by Ms. Parson and somehow wound up in the hands of Sketch later. What else could have happened?
adding different article which has Carol Woods remarks- of “some” BBP interviewed- and the release due to rumors and “wanting to set the record straight”
http://www2.godanriver.com/gdr/news/local/article/uva_mens_basketball_players_interviewed_in_missing_virginia_tech_student_ca/15849/
UVa men’s basketball players interviewed in missing Virginia Tech student case
Published: November 25, 2009
The University of Virginia issued a statement yesterday saying that some members of its men’s basketball team were among witnesses interviewed in the Morgan Harrington disappearance case.
Harrington, 20, was last seen outside U.Va.‘s John Paul Jones Arena while attending a Metallica concert Oct. 17.
The statement, issued by Carol Wood, U.Va.‘s assistant vice president for public affairs, says:
“Because of the number of rumors that have been circulating about members of the university’s men’s basketball team in regard to the Morgan Harrington case, we felt it was important to make a statement to set the record straight.
“As police worked to establish a timeline of Oct. 17 in hopes of locating Ms. Harrington, they interviewed a number of witnesses, including some members of the men’s basketball team.
“After a practice, team members had been approached by a female consistent with Ms. Harrington’s description. They cooperated fully with law enforcement investigators and, like other witnesses interviewed by the police, they provided information that is important to police efforts to establish Ms. Harrington’s movements.“
Rewards totaling $150,000 are being offered in the case, and Harrington’s parents have set up a Web site, FindMorgan.com, that gives the latest information.
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Also I would like to add this earlier post w Blink response it underscores the point that LE did not come out and talk to The Harringtons about the BBP before Blink and others wrote of the encounters—and IMO the post underscores the fact that some went into red alert once the rumors regarding the BBP came out- I say this because it was very shortly after that LE came out with attention we have confirmed Morgan Harrington was HH-
why did they release that info, which today- is still somewhat unconfirmed meaning no one can say whether or not Morgan Harrington HH from the bridge or whether she doubledback on her own– especially due to the fact she was seen HH in both directions seen on both sides of the bridge- and also lets not forget her belongings were found back in the lot-
heres the post -
squeeky says:
November 13, 2009 at 2:40 pm
“Based on independent witness accounts, investigators are confident that Miss Harrington was hitchhiking for a ride while on the Copeley Road bridge.”
Confident? They definitively believe she disappeared while hitchhiking and that none of the other theories have any merrit?
They said it, not me, I don’t think it’s an accident they did not do a live pressconf. Almost a month in they are now confident she was hitchhiking? This is in stark contrast to Dr. Harrington’s comments yesterday and frankly, I have a feeling the relationship between them and the Harrington’s is about to sour. I say this with respect, but I can tell you as a fact the Harrington’s were not told about the exchange with the basketball players until I reported it. If I were them I would be fuming.
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end post-
–I am not sure why I am bringing all this up- but to say that I am extremely concerned that this case was once very solvable but I really fear that major mistakes were made
I we see thru these early articles, posts- and press releases that there was concern over reputations which may have effected the setting up a viable timeline and the recovery efforts of a missing woman-
if not for the release of the BBP interaction and she was HH- would LE have had thought more about “foul play” being involved? Would that have helped them find Morgan sooner? IDK
But I have been asking myself why wouldnt LE use satellite imaging or heat seeking tools and why wouldnt they extend the Heli. search area to 10 miles around JPJ area ? if they had, they most likely would have found Morgan… but what would have been the aftermath IRT rumors flying had they recovered Morgan dead early on a mere 10 miles away from JPJ?
I do not fault anyone from trying to protect the innocent- LE was caught between a rock and a hard place it seems and the same can be said for the friends UVA and all…
In closing i would like to say I know LE makes mistakes and I hope any mistakes that were made are not insurmountable moving forward
AJMO
AMBR
Peace
Mom3.0, your posts a chocked full of lots of informative thoughts; great to read.
However, my thoughts on LE aren’t as kind. They are professionals employed to do a job. They are not our friends. Also, they are not determining who is innocent or not … They are supposed to follow the evidence wherever it leads and let a DA, Grand Jury, or Judge determine if the evidence merits charges or a trial. Their ‘mistakes’ are not to be taken lightly as lives could be at stake. I know this sounds so harsh, but whatever happened here is a comedy of errors (I hope) qualified LE professionals should have a hard time accepting. And, a murderer is still loose ( from what we know). That nice innocent people are draw into circumstances that are uncomfortable or seem not fair to them, is just unfortunate, nothing more. All witnesses and others that had contact with or was in the area when Morgan was there have an obligation to Morgan, themselves, and society to cooperate with LE.
As I said before, in my experience, LE does hold back crucial information; information ONLY the perp would know. Most of the info. We’ve been discussing here, for the most part, is not that. The public has a right to know. After-all, some here question both the methods and motives behind the contradictory and and questionable actions of LE (the clothing descriptions, t-shirt find, no video, time-line, no struggle … but her purse is found and NO battery in her phone. How do we keep the LE Authorities honest unless we have a right to this information (this is where I fault this media, as well).
Guess what? I don’t believe Morgan ever said a racial slur or equivalent either … No matter how drunk, drugged, angry, or confused she was, or not.
Mom3.0, if this sounds like an attack on you or your thoughts, It is not. I’m just using your post above to get this off my chest and some of the topics just fit. I like everything about you and have learned more from your thinking than most on here.
Mom3.0 I was hesitant to directly state the rumors is based upon two things. The first being that while I am all for transpancy in a case like this I could not bring myself to allow potentially untrue information to define who Morgan is. It isnt like anyone outside of this board even knows who I am or cares what I have to say about this case but due to my own experiences I would feel like a total hypocrite by putting that info out there. I cannot explain how painful it is for those left behind to hear people bash and discredit your loved one’s character which is exactly what would happen if the rumors were widely known. You are right in saying that whether true or not it doesn’t diminish who Morgan was to those who loved her. But all that is left of her now is her legacy and I can’t bring myself to tarnish that legacy in anyway even if it would be in the eyes of total strangers. I’m not saying you are wrong for talking about it I am just saying that my reason is more personal/emotional than logical. If it was something that could lead us to her killer then I would accept it as a necessary evil but in this case I don’t see how it would be relevant. My second reason is that if Morgan was presented to the public as a drunk, pretty, rich girl hurling racial insults in a parking lot then people may be less likely to come forward with tips and information. For instance my best friend’s ex boyfriend was an abusive waste of oxygen. And if I looked out my window tomorrow and saw a crazed pack of drug addicts on bath salts beating him to death while he begged for help the only thing I would do is turn the volume up on my TV because I hate it when anything interrupts my secret love affair with trashy reality shows.
Could you reword this as I can’t get a clear idea of what you are asking. My brain is slow this early in the morning!
“—How does this work with BK 2 sightings one with 4 white men shaking leg then SAME group of men in empty lot?
Did Morgan leave yhe 4 BIB/ BBP and walk with some from front exit group only to leave 3 tall black men (presumed other BBP) to sit alone in lot with same group of 4 waiting for the convergence of front door group which would have included the 3 TBM?”
I just want to specify that Morgan did not use a racial slur to my knowledge. As I said previously I am aware what they allegedly stated about their interaction with Morgan, and so that we can put the rumor mill to rest, they basically said she propositioned them and that they knew she was under some sort of influence and did not want to get into a bad situation.
Obviously one’s own judgement about whether or not that is factual will be served by any depositions in the civil suit, otherwise it is really just hearsay.
B
I’m even more pissed off at her friends. They knew it was raining and cold. They knew she didn’t have a jacket. Mrs. Harrington forgives them, I know. They’re young, I know.
I’m still pissed off.