Morgan Harrington Murder: FBI, Metallica and Virginia State Police Ask You To Help Them Find Her Killer
Morgan Harrington disappeared from the John Paul Jones arena on October 17, 2009. Morgan’s remains were located and recovered the morning of January 26, 2010 on the Anchorage Farm in Charlottesville, VA.
Reported exclusively on www.blinkoncrime.com, Morgan’s alleged attacker was tied via DNA to a sexual assault in Fairfax, VA in September 2005.
With the help of a multi media campaign, the FBI, Virginia State Police and Fairfax Police are asking for the publics help to catch her killer.
Revised Sketch of Harrington Suspect
Metallica offered this public service announcement:
Metallica Statement On Harrington Case
FBI Press Release:
Authorities Launch Multimedia Campaign in Morgan Harrington Murder Case
Murder Suspect Linked by DNA to Sexual Assault in Fairfax City, Virginia
| FBI Washington June 13, 2012 |
Today, federal, state, and local law enforcement launched a multimedia campaign that includes two enhanced composite sketches of a suspect in the 2009 murder of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington. The unknown murder suspect is also connected by DNA to a 2005 sexual assault in Fairfax City, Virginia.
Authorities recently enhanced the composite sketch created in 2005 from a description by the sexual assault victim. One of the composites shows the suspect with facial hair, as the suspect was described at the time of the attack. The second composite sketch features him without facial hair.
The two attacks were connected through DNA after a forensic profile was submitted by the Virginia Department of Forensic Science to the FBI’s national DNA database. The search found that the suspect in the Harrington murder investigation matched the DNA profile of the attacker in Fairfax City.
The multimedia campaign includes a public service announcement by Metallica lead guitarist James Hetfield appealing to the public to come forward with information concerning the Morgan Harrington investigation. The composite sketches of the suspect are being featured on bus shelters in Washington, D.C., as well as on digital billboards in Richmond, Virginia; Roanoke, Virginia; Washington, D.C.; and in 23 other states along the East Coast. Social media outreach and alerts via Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, along with a website dedicated to the Harrington case were also launched Wednesday. Podcasts are now available on iTunes, and radio spots are airing to further raise awareness of the ongoing investigation. The multi-pronged effort is designed to develop new leads and renew the public’s attention in the attacks. The campaign implements techniques similar to those that have led to the arrests of the East Coast Rapist as well as Ten Most Wanted fugitive James “Whitey” Bulger.
The Jefferson Area Crime Stoppers is offering a $100,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for Morgan Harrington’s murder. In addition, the band Metallica is adding $50,000 to the reward, for a total of $150,000.
Morgan Harrington Murder
On the evening of Saturday, October 17, 2009, Harrington attended a Metallica concert at John Paul Jones Arena on the University of Virginia (UVA) campus in Charlottesville, Va. At approximately 8:30 p.m., she left the arena and was unable to re-enter the facility. She was last seen hitchhiking for a ride from passing traffic.
Harrington was dressed that night in a black T-shirt with the word “Pantera” spelled out in tan letters and was wearing a distinctive Swarovski crystal necklace made of large crystal chain links, which investigators have yet to recover. Harrington’s “Pantera” T-shirt was found on November 11, 2009, in front of a row of apartments along 15th Street, NW near Grady Avenue in Charlottesville. Harrington’s skeletal remains were later discovered on January 26, 2010, in a remote field on an Albemarle County, Virginia farm along Route 29. A camera that Harrington had in her possession that night has never been recovered.
Sexual Assault in Fairfax City, Virginia
On the evening of Saturday, September 24, 2005, a 26-year-old victim was walking home from the Giant Food Store located on the 3700 block of Jermantown Road in Fairfax City, Virginia. The suspect grabbed the victim from behind as she walked down Rock Garden Drive toward her residence. He then carried the victim to a grassy area behind a maintenance shed, where he sexually assaulted her. The suspect was last seen running from the area.
The suspect is described as an African-American male with black hair and facial hair at the time of the attack. He is approximately 6’0” tall and was believed to be between the ages of 25 and 35 years old at the time of the attack.
The public is asked to review this information and consider whether they know someone who generally fits this description, who lived or had ties to the area around the times of the assaults, or who may have been known to spend considerable amounts of time in those areas.
People who know the suspect may not believe that he is capable of committing these crimes. He may not necessarily have a violent criminal history. Because investigators are in possession of DNA evidence that can either positively link the suspect to his crimes or exclude innocent parties, citizens should not hesitate to provide information, even if it is just the name of a potential suspect.
The following agencies are cooperating in the investigation of these crimes: the Virginia State Police, City of Fairfax Police, University of Virginia Police, Charlottesville Police, Albemarle County Police, Albemarle County Commonwealth’s Attorney, Virginia Tech Police Department, George Mason Police Department, and the FBI.
Law enforcement agencies are asking anyone with information to contact the FBI at 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) or the Virginia State Police Tip line at 434-352-3467.
Press Contacts:
Virginia State Police
(804) 263-5547
City of Fairfax Police Department
(703) 273-2889
FBI Richmond Field Office
(804) 261-1044
FBI Washington Field Office
(202) 278-3519
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The fact is, Keasey, I have provided significant information in this case, and I believe if asked, the investigators would agree I am a respected investigative analyst who does not post case sensitive information. – BLINK
wow, that’s some funny stuff. when you crime blogging days end, you could probably do a comedy blog in it’s place. oh. wait, your (sic) already doing that. and, by the way, your investigative skills actually are what suck.
Like I said Pam Keasey, if you had any contacts outside of cyber stalking people and creating bullshit stories of woe for yourself based on other people’s actual real pain, you would absolutely know what I said is absolute. Here’s a thought assclown- take my challenge. Check me out and come back here with a verifiable quote that disputes what I said. Use those crackerjack skills of yours to check a fact instead of coming on here like some sort of debris the crops sprayers miss because you have managed to BS some other sort of parasite to hide in it’s rectum.
In fact, I will commit to verify that personally and post it. Like I said, my contacts are solid and verifiable so just tell them to contact me personally if that is easier.
Good Luck with that.
Congrats btw, in the blinktank when we are analyzing data for cases we now have a new term for frauds- we call them “pakeaseys”. Pronounced puh-kee-zeez.
Lastly, everyone knows I am way funnier than I am smart. Again, looks like you missed that memo, LOL.
At least I have that going for me, which is nice
B
Morgan did not proposition the BBP. I know this because beautiful girls do not proposition men. They are lying one and all. We all know why they are lying. Men always lie to cover up their own behaviour, and they always blame the female for her own rapes, beatings, misfortunes. Now I know for a certainty that their limited interaction with Morgan was not so limited afterall (suspected this from day one) I am not exactly sure what they did, but they definetely tormented her in some fashion. Morgan, I am so sorry they said this about you, and I am sorry your parents had to hear it.
OK, even if it , by some slim chance happened to be true, a gentleman would NEVER tell this, and respectable people would never say this about a slain girl. (that is why I KNOW it is a huge lie from the lowest scum on earth)
It is my job and obligation as an analyst to be objective.
I agree that the accounts I have been told are incongruent to the known scenario and witness statement.
hypothetically my response to one was.. “Are you kidding me- you are not explaining this to your girlfriend or babymama.” “Try again.”
B
about this propositioning thing: was it something Morgan offered if the BBP would take her to where she wanted to go?
or, did she ask them to help her get back into the arena?
a loaded question: what is Morgan’s experience dealing with large (tall and muscular) young black men? I presume favorable, that’s why she approached them (I am assuming that Morgan approached the bbp and not the opposite). This might explain why Morgan would get into an automobile driven by a stranger of another race.
I am assuming that the bbp were overall decent guys and decided not to get sidetracked with something completely out of the ordinary. Also, they probably had to get back to either a mandatory study hall or a dorm curfew.
Mike says “Also, they probably had to get back to either a mandatory study hall or a dorm curfew”
Say what, Mike???? College/univ. students have mandatory study halls, and curfews? Are you kidding me?
Mike, I do not appreciate you trying to make Morgan sound like someone she wasn’t. Morgan had her own car, her credit cards, was brought up by sensible parents, who were involved with her life up to the point her young life was stolen from her and them.
If these BBP were decent guys as you call them, they would step forward and name the truth, no matter what the cost. We would one and all applaud them for this, although never condoning the behaviour. Is there one among them who is this “decent” guy? You can be sure they all know what happened that dark and rainy night Oct. 17, 2009.
John, Mike is correct, these men had a mandatory curfew and that is very common with college athletes.
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Hi mom3.0 All employees can or could park in the JPJ/UHall lots (as can many of the law and darden students) on a daily basis. These are not reserved spots — you just park where you find an open spot and then hop on the university bus. They can’t park there on event days/nights. It has been like that since before JPJ. That is what Observer was presumably talking about. The coaches have reserved spots. I doubt very much those would be made available to the concert crowd. Can’t say with 100% certainty, but am confident.
On the issues raised re the hearsay about hearsay about morgan’s interaction with the student-athletes, a couple of these posts, and John’s in particular, seem very unfair and poorly thought out. I am going to take a break from the forum for a little while so I don’t post in anger. Can we all just try to remember that we know next to nothing about morgan, and most know just as little about the players. Those of you who say she would never do something, or it doesn’t sound like her, are just projecting yourself or your loved ones on her — and it does her a disservice in the long run as it does not make her a bad person if she was out looking to hookup with an athlete or anything else. It just doesn’t matter, and these squeals of outrage that a “beautiful”, kind-hearted person like morgan wouldn’t do that is you passing judgment on morgan. You know nothing about what she would or would not do.
In some respects, it is like all the posters, and many of us have fallen into this logical trap, including me, who condemn her friends for their seeming trashy narcissism, without wondering why it is that morgan was friends with them and what judgment we are passing on her by condemning them, while knowing little about them. And by the way, does anyone here not think her friends ASSUMED she was off hooking up with someone when they drove her car home and did not call her parents to say she was missing the next morning. They expected her to be making the “walk of shame” home at some point. If morgan were some paragon of 1950′s virtue, and not a NORMAL 2009 college student, I suspect their reaction would have been different (and I suspect she may have had different friends).
Finally, to those who wondered why the players would not speak to the press, watch the reaction to this rumor and it should become clear.
Everything you said was fair and respectful, thank you.
I am going to disagree on the minor issue of whether or not her friends thought or assumed she was hooking up and therefore thought it was ok to drive the 2 hours back to the dorm after allegedly looking for her or eating, whichever the interpretation.
Morgan was audibly and visibly upset during her conversation with the friend, lasting 6 minutes.
They argued with Morgan previously that evening based on her behavior while intoxicated ( if she was, all evidence points to that, and friends have admitted same).
It was Morgan’s Father who purchased all the tickets, and her car that provided the transportation.
At no time following that conversation at 8:40PM did any of those friends have any confirmation as to Morgan’s whereabouts, and her jacket was in the vehicle as well.
I do not care one iota if Morgan has 28 boyfriends in 28 counties, how much she drank, how she dressed, etc. There is no lack of virtue for any human being to be deserving of what happened to her, so I don’t think anyone really cares how lilly white she is or was not.
They had an obligation to confirm whether or not Morgan was safe, or to let her parents know if they could not, just based on her condition when they last saw her regardless of whether or not they ASSUMED she was hooking up or whatever. I am not understanding how that makes a bit of difference or releases them from what I would call a very basic standard of care of their best friend and roomie.
B
Morgan’s friends knew if she was as wasted as it appears she was. Shame on them for allowing her to leave and “find her own way home”. Did they say they enjoyed the concert?
I’m sorry guys, I’m so mad at them.
How long does LE wait until the UVA protection to interview the BBP or the lawyers remain retained preventing the necessary LE interviews? It’s been 3 years.
Well, whatever. But who benefits from the first ‘spin’ of this case (IMO) ?
Eexaggeration, for sure: Young, thin, blond, ‘loose’, drinking, drugging, angry, insolent, financially irresponsible, with history of undisclosed ‘trouble’ at previous HS, girl disses life-long, loyal friends to hitch-hike for a fun night out; which she has a history of doing! And, she’ll probably show up in a week or two …. Even tho she ditched her purse and cell phone in the lots she was last seen in!! Oh, and no battery in the phone! But not to worry as there was no ‘signs’ of a struggle!
Anyone seen her? Who is going to care? I, and at least some others here were loosing interest.
So, again, who does this story benefit and why was IT determined to be fit to print, but the other facts (that we’ve since learned) are to be kept deep, dark secrets? Even what she was wearing. Even the ‘Sketch’!
Mistakes? Well, this kind of incompetence would call for some serious firings and ‘heads to roll’!
Or, who benefits from an ‘ah-shucks’ investigation that let’s a cruel murderer roam free? (unless someone knows he’s no longer free or otherwise available to murder again).
Ther’s been way too much silence on this case and silence on obvious lack of answers to clear contradictions in facts that have been put out to the public.
Who benefits from this and why?
Oh, and guess what? I don,t believe Morgan (no matter how drunk, drugged, or angry, or not) ever propositioned ANYBODY!
Now that the sad PR spin on Morgan’s character has failed ………..
VSP, who murdered her? And, who has benefited?
Alexandra … I just as mad at them as your are. But, I probably have fallen off the fence, because to me, their behavior does not make sense. Passive-aggressive dislike for Morgan, revenge? IDK. If it doesn’t make sense, it’s usually not true … I’m still with that.
College athletes may have a mandatory curfew, but IMO it isn’t 10:00 pm on a Saturday night. Further, there is no policing of the curfew. An athlete can be home at midnight, but there is nothing keeping them in their place of residence. I am in NO WAY saying I think the BBP had anything to do with Morgan’s murder. I do however think it interesting that no details of their evening have been reported, since they were last people to interact with her (that we know of)before she was abducted.
Again, all those people around, and not one sees what happened? Cameras everywhere, no pics of Morgan that night. How can that be? Shirt recovered, but LE doesn’t report to public to get potential witnesses. Sketch connection made, but again, it is kept quiet. WTH is going on here?
RERose7 says:
October 7, 2012 at 4:04 am
Mom3.0, your posts a chocked full of lots of informative thoughts; great to read.
However, my thoughts on LE aren’t as kind. They are professionals employed to do a job. They are not our friends. Also, they are not determining who is innocent or not … They are supposed to follow the evidence wherever it leads and let a DA, Grand Jury, or Judge determine if the evidence merits charges or a trial. Their ‘mistakes’ are not to be taken lightly as lives could be at stake.
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Thanks for valuing my posts Rose7-
I appreciate yours too
Rose7- everything you stated above is correct and I do not feel you are being too harsh in saying it-
But often times I feel like I am bashing LE and it bothers me-
LEO have a hard job and I could never do it-
I often feel i am being too harsh Its hard for me to call LE on their misteps in this case because truly I dont know whose misteps to blame- specifically
There was more than one agency involved in Morgans case including the FBI- who in the earlier stages handled all outofstate tips IIRC
Then UVAPD started the case but exactly at what point was it really handed over and at what point did they turn over all witness tips accounts evidence etc
And then VSP they have their own set of mistakes theirs stem from the handover but where do they end I cant know-
And then we have Charlottesville PD handing of the shirt etc- on and on
I mean its hard for LE to follow the evidence if they dont have all the evidence as its in some other agencies hands you know?
You wrote:
I know this sounds so harsh, but whatever happened here is a comedy of errors (I hope) qualified LE professionals should have a hard time accepting. And, a murderer is still loose ( from what we know). That nice innocent people are draw into circumstances that are uncomfortable or seem not fair to them, is just unfortunate, nothing more. All witnesses and others that had contact with or was in the area when Morgan was there have an obligation to Morgan, themselves, and society to cooperate with LE.
True Rose7 but again who interviewed what witness and what witness was overlooked or not handedoff- and what witness by the time VSP became involved had already lawyered up or could no longer be found- etc..
Speaking of witnesses-
Again I ask when and if all BBP were interviewed according to Blink
“It is my understanding that the tip about the interaction came from the limo driver, and then the UVA Police contacted the staff and from those interviews identified the gentlemen “interacting” with Morgan that evening.”
So if the BBP interactions were interviewed by “staff” first, exactly what does that mean for the accounts? How filtered are they and what was first said to “staff” that may have been filtered in the tellings to UVAPD- and again did UVA PD ever actually interview the players which ones how many/or did VSP follow up later? blink said The harringtons werent told initially about the BBP encounters was this because VSP themselves hadnt learned of this information yet-
Who knows who can tell? NOT me
You wrote:
As I said before, in my experience, LE does hold back crucial information; information ONLY the perp would know. Most of the info. We’ve been discussing here, for the most part, is not that. The public has a right to know. After-all, some here question both the methods and motives behind the contradictory and and questionable actions of LE (the clothing descriptions, t-shirt find, no video, time-line, no struggle … but her purse is found and NO battery in her phone. How do we keep the LE Authorities honest unless we have a right to this information (this is where I fault this media, as well).
I agree with this Rose7- what is baffling for me is when certain info was released and why- and the choice of language used to release it-
I wrestle with myself some days thinking why all the missteps mistakes releases w/ specific language – are they not doing their best on purpose- but then I talk myself out of that thinking because its wrong, right?
You wrote:
Guess what? I don’t believe Morgan ever said a racial slur or equivalent either … No matter how drunk, drugged, angry, or confused she was, or not.
Rose7-
In truth I do not know what to believe all we are privy to is second hand rumors almost none of what we know is quoted directly to the witnesses themselves-
According to Blink she never heard the rumor of racial slurs- –
So again lets stop talking rumors and get everything out in the open so we can objectively look at it-
We know anything the BBP may have said is only their word Morgan isnt here- but cant we all look at it objectively in context fully so we can weigh it accordingly?
We already know the timeline cant add up and we already know that according to police Morgans “behaviors” prevented the BBP from giving her a ride so they believe the BBP it would seem- when do we get to hear the story from LE directly- so we can evaluate why it is that LE seems to believe it to be true
Is it gonna play out like the HH- we KNOW but wait we dont know -still its logical oh no wait she was acting illogical…
Until we hear it we cant know what to think right?
You wrote:
Mom3.0, if this sounds like an attack on you or your thoughts, It is not. I’m just using your post above to get this off my chest and some of the topics just fit. I like everything about you and have learned more from your thinking than most on here.
Rose7 No worries no offense taken and that is one of the nicest compliments I have ever received so thank you
AJMO
Peace
RELeelee says:
October 7, 2012 at 4:50 am
Mom3.0 I was hesitant to directly state the rumors is based upon two things. The first being that while I am all for transpancy in a case like this I could not bring myself to allow potentially untrue information to define who Morgan is.
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Lee Lee I have been hesitant to post the same info for so long too- I dont know what may be “case sensitive” But it seems to me we have all been hearing the rumors for quite some time we here have chosen not to discuss them- –
With the RMC suit isnt it time to bring all of it up – I mean we sit here trying to figure out the timeline and exactly what happened that night yet we much like the Disappeared show skim over certain parts—
Lee Lee everything we have heard in regards to this case is all potentially untrue- all the information we have has been filtered- the only potential witness to come forward at all and numerous times is NP- the others we know of only their accounts filtered thru some reports- we dont know how reliable any of it is to be honest-
You wrote: I could not bring myself to allow potentially untrue information to define who Morgan is.
Wait what? It can only define who Morgan is if we let it- even if true it could never define who Morgan is-
My goodness lee lee to give this potential information that kind of power is wrong – We then IMO are subscribing to blaming the victim or running from those who attempt to—thats my point for wanting to discuss it-
I mean even if Morgan walked up to all the BBP and asked for a ride and they jokingly said whats in it for me- and she answered well I dont know how about insert vulgar provocative statement here- SO WHAT?
So 14 grown men left a vulnerable wobbily in distress cold wet irrational INJURED woman ALONE in a back lot to fend for herself because –hey we dont want no Duke scandal- well hey have we learned nothing-
Call security- call police- call a taxi =call your effin coaches let someone in authority handle the situation- I mean seriously- Did they think if Morgan wanted to pull a Duke scandal she coudlnt have just lied the next day and said they accosted her right there in the lots- and she ran away?
You wrote
It isnt like anyone outside of this board even knows who I am or cares what I have to say about this case but due to my own experiences I would feel like a total hypocrite by putting that info out there.
I dont know you but I care still I cant see how bringing a rumor up for discussion would make you or anyone a hypocrite- IMO it would make you a responsible advocate that is trying only to get to the truth- and to
Make sure the rumor is squelched instead of left to fester and grow.
Uou wrote:
I cannot explain how painful it is for those left behind to hear people bash and discredit your loved one’s character which is exactly what would happen if the rumors were widely known
Lee lee I have no doubt that the pain is great. Whether widely discussed or not- But IF the BBP said it and it is all part of their accounts- and if it is being discussed elsewhere- and LE basically says they believe it- the family knows about it already right? and there is the potential for it to be discussed in court so How is our silence helping at all?
Our silence is basically saying yes its true SHHHHHH dont tell anyone not hey we dont believe this LE got it wrong-or hey if it is true so what- again Any defense will use all of the potential dirt to attack Morgan- if we take that dirt and say- big deal then all it can be is some dirt NOT a mountain that blocks the truth of what happened TO Morgan
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You wrote:
You are right in saying that whether true or not it doesn’t diminish who Morgan was to those who loved her. But all that is left of her now is her legacy and I can’t bring myself to tarnish that legacy in anyway even if it would be in the eyes of total strangers
Lee Lee- I understand why you feel the way you do but my POV is that it will Not diminish or Tarnish Morgan in anyway to anyone – NOT if we all stop running from it-
First we cant speak to whether it is true or not BUT if it is SO WHAT?
She was 20 years old she wasnt Mother Teresa or Ghandi – and none of it would make her anything less then human
None of it would mean she deserved to be left alone in a back lot to fend for herself and it wouldnt mean she deserved to be raped and murdered and left like some cow dung in a cold wet field!
You wrote:
. If it was something that could lead us to her killer then I would accept it as a necessary evil but in this case I don’t see how it would be relevant.
We cant know what may or may not lead to her killer- and we cant know what is relevant and what isnt unfortunately -Lee lee IMO it is relevant to the nonexistant timeline and it may be relevant to who killed her- for we have hypothesized that her abductor may have been lurking seeing and hearing all- so we again cant know what is relevant.
You wrote:
My second reason is that if Morgan was presented to the public as a drunk, pretty, rich girl hurling racial insults in a parking lot then people may be less likely to come forward with tips and information.
Lee lee Police and some reporters have already presented Morgan this way- LE may not have come out and said it but alot HAS been IMPLIED same for reporters –sane for some in the public
Take a look back at all the descriptors used to describe Morgan and ask yourself how a person is supposed to fill in the blanks?
again her behaviors made the BBP decline a ride
aggressive-
desperate-
Irrational-
Erratic
Cussing
Drinking-
Hooked up
Wobbily
shaking leg
Curtsying
HH
Etc etc
Lee lee I realize we have different ways of looking at this and I would never fault you for your feelings
I just happen to disagree
Cont Part 2
AJMO
AMBR
Part 2 Lee Lee Says:
Could you reword this as I can’t get a clear idea of what you are asking. My brain is slow this early in the morning!
“—How does this work with BK 2 sightings one with 4 white men shaking leg then SAME group of men in empty lot?
Did Morgan leave yhe 4 BIB/ BBP and walk with some from front exit group only to leave 3 tall black men (presumed other BBP) to sit alone in lot with same group of 4 waiting for the convergence of front door group which would have included the 3 TBM?”
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Trying again Sorry about that
Lee Lee according to reports Morgan exited the arena by the front door after commotion this is the same door one group of BBP were said to have exited and then she went to the side door and had kickee encounter- -this is the same door 2nd group of BBP exited-
After Kickee encounter BK spotted Morgan in front of car wobbily- shaking leg with 4 white men dressed in black -these men were said to be BBP-
BK then sees SAME group of 5 in empty lot gathered around a vehicle-
time estimate 915
yet Limo driver account which led LE to BBP involved Morgan walking past UVHall with 3 very tall black men
How can Morgan have been in two places at once how do all 3 sightings fit in the timeline How can Morgan be with both groups walking to the rv lot and be seen alone with same group in empty lot how does convergence and gone at 9:20 fit with all 3 accounts
I am unable to reword the question any better I hope I explained it
better thanks for asking for clarification
AJMO
Peace
I haven’t posted in a while, but I think about Morgan frequently and pray for resolution and justice.
On a recent visit to Charlottesville, we drove around the apartment building at 1500 Grady Avenue to view the bush where Morgan’s shirt was discovered. It was very creepy to note that the windows of the apartment directly behind the bush have been boarded up. This leaves a very disturbing impression and though probably not related to Morgan’s death, we thought it worth noting.
Another great post above, Mom3.0.
And, “are they not doing their best on purpose?”, has haunted me too. Why?
Redly
Hi thanks for getting back to me with that info I am sorry you feel the need to step back for awhile.
I think we need your no nonsense style around here especially since we are discussing this emotionally charged topic.
I know you dont like to post from an emotional place- so I understand but just so you know -as the goat on SStreet once sang -It aint bad to get mad .-
I just wanted to let you know that I am in agreement with much of your October 8, 2012 at 10:31 am comment
What I dont agree with is basically the same as Blink- although the friends did know Morgan IMO they should have never drove off in her car- they should have alerted someone- her dad, security… someone in authority to their concerns I think they partly understood this immediately- no matter if they believed she had met someone- as they did wait around and changed their plans and told DS PP one of our friends is missing and SS did say PP we wouldnt have done it if we didnt think it was alright-
Redly I too am guilty of projecting and sometimes I speak too much via emotion and its usually you Who steers me back-
So dont go away for too long,
as your last post helped me yet again as I think I may have been too harsh on the BBP as I called them grown men and they were not- IIRC they were around Morgans age themselves–
I do think they may have been scared- and when you are acting in fear sometimes you make poor choices – especially when young. Still like the friends I think they should have alerted the coaches or security to their concerns to Morgan- for their own protection as well as Morgans.
Redly you wrote:
Finally, to those who wondered why the players would not speak to the press, watch the reaction to this rumor and it should become clear.
– I just want to make clear that I did not bring up this rumor to hurt anyone not the BBP not Morgan not her family
I brought it up in the hopes that our discussions would help not harm as I said hiding something gives it more weight not less and we all want the truth
AJMO
AMBR
Peace
Morgan’s state….could it be simply attributed to her injury?
At this point, I feel it’s hard to believe the friends ‘reasoning’ that Morgan was intoxicated. Were all the girls drinking or just Morgan? I know they stories have been congruent, which is why I would LOVE for them to be interviewed separately.
This injury may have been a little more debilitating and caused organ to act in an intoxicated like manner. Has this been ruled out?
They were all drinking beforehand. However, I absolutely believe Morgan fell, and may have sustained a concussion. Oddly, the March after Morgan was recovered, while running at night, I slipped and fell over the lip of my driveway and landed on my chin- I sustained a serious concussion and I can tell you from experience I was very wobbly ( and had not been drinking obviously) and it was not until I got out of the car from taking the kids to school the next morning did I realize something was really wrong.
B
@ B
I do recall you telling us about that fall and I’m grateful you weren’t seriously injured, girlie. It just takes one fall (somewhat off topic, but with recent lawsuits from pro athletes, lends us some understanding on the severity of head injuries and concussions. It can change a personality, mood, memory, whether it’s permanent or temporary.) I feel Morgan may have been confused, disoriented and lacking judgement, even from 1 fall. I thank you for responding…and here’s why…..
Call me a foo…..but considering your closeness to this case, it’s no coincidence you’d experience practically the same fall and injury. There was an ominous element to her ‘state’ which seemed unrelated to alcohol, imho. I’m not a fate person, but I’d consider divine intervention created friendLY’s parallel experience to expose the truth on Morgan’s state and bizarre behaviour.
JMHO….I don’t believe she was THAT inebriated. I never did.
10 years ,to get a lucky break in the meatcutter case,was he inactive ,for a period of time.if the case notes were to be studied(by students studying criminal investigation at uva)would it be found that investigative work would’ve yielded the identity sooner? a victim saw him a second time,and it clicked ,and she lead le to him. does it say much for investigative work? was he on the short list.if meatcutter and george hugely put their heads together ,they could probably come up with a short list–in the john grisham novel.wanttohelp- creepy that the windows are boarded up,an apartment can be empty doesnt mean it has to be boarded up-renovation?flea bomb? wonder whats the history of that unit.
“AMERICA’S MOST WANTED” TO FEATURE HARRINGTON INVESTIGATION
For Immediate Release: October 9, 2012 APPOMATTOX, Va. – On the eve of the third anniversary of Morgan Harrington’s disappearance, her case will be featured on the cable network television show “America’s Most Wanted.” The segment will air at 10 p.m. Friday.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/help-save-the-next-girl/americas-most-wanted-to-feature-harrington-investigation/486075421417323
On my FB page … Help Save The Next Girl via The Hook (readthehook.com). About Morgan.
“America’s Most Wanted” …. A segment on Morgan, Friday Oct. 12 at 9pm Central ….
Redly says
They expected her to be making the “walk of shame” home at some point. If morgan were some paragon of 1950′s virtue, and not a NORMAL 2009 college student, I suspect their reaction would have been different (and I suspect she may have had different friends).
Redly, you are presuming to know the thoughts Morgan’s friends had about her. You might be surprised to learn that many young college students have higher standards of behaviour than their parents did, and that most of them did not condone haveing more than one “boyfriend” at a time. There is no such thing as NORMAL student behaviour. Each decides for himself. As many have stated, it does not make a difference what her behaviour was. (I do not believe for a minute that Morgan would proposition ANYBODY) I will not back down from that statement! My thoughts remain unchanged. Guilty people attempt to discredit the victim. This fact has not changed in 100 years. BTW what does your “taking a break” have to do with trying to help bring justice for Morgan. I make you angry? Why? I was not talking about you, was I?
Thanks for the heads up, Rose! I’ll be tuning in and praying AMW will generate solid leads.
….and @ eloise…hello friendy!!!!!
Thank you for posting the FB links and AMW feature. Has Morgan’s case been on AMW, yet?
Pray Pray Pray xo
FBI link to Morgan’s case:
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/june/help-FBI-catch-morgan-harrington-killer/help-catch-killer-landing-page
Just want to add that Morgan may well have pleaded with the BBPs to take her somewhere warm and dry–and when they refused to help–she may have said something like, “I’ll do anything you want, if you’ll get me out of the rain…”
Is that a proposition? Not exactly. More like desperation.
Beautiful or not, Morgan may have been feeling completely without resources or support, which indeed was the case. So she might have tried to barter, so to speak.
I am glad to hear about America’s Most Wanted because ..it IS an active case.
I hope someone watching knows something and calls in.
B..I remember your concussion. Those were ruff days.
John says:
October 7, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Morgan did not proposition the BBP. I know this because beautiful girls do not proposition men.
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John you are incorrect. Beautiful girls under the influence of something they did not take knowingly can and could proposition men, something they would never never do in their right mind. Been there, done that, horrible outcome, still alive, lucky.
Because someone may proposition another person does not mean that they have plans to follow through. If you find yourself in a situation that you are not controlling and you are starting to panic you may find yourself offering whatever you think that will get you from place A to a safer place B. That does not mean that the one you are propositioning is going to hurt you but when they refuse help possibly because of your condition that leaves you prey to the next one you meet.
Great posts everyone!!
Redly I also greatly value your input and hope you stick around.
I still read everyday and have not been posting much as have nothing relevant to add.
However I really appreciate all of the BOC posters who regularly post here.
This is helping keep Morgan and her search for justice in the public eye.
I pray for J4M.
This whole proposition element begs the question: who else was possibly MADE- and by whom were they made- aware that a beautiful, vulnerable young woman was negotiating with her body (as has been implied) in order to get a ride or out of the elements.
If someone comes along and picks her up with those expectations; and, as Ode said she does not intend to follow-through, then with that individual’s excitement level heightened, Morgan is going to be in grave danger, much like Ode testified she was in her post above. Of course, as we all know, and sadly so, she was in much deeper danger than she knew.
If the BBP were less than forthcoming in their statements, then that has to be one of the keys to this case.
I’m hoping that this hypothesis has been considered by LE and the possibility that Sketch, or an accomplice, may have been tipped off by someone in the parking lot that night.
I just can’t buy that Morgan willingly got into a car on the bridge without reference being made to her dilemma by a tipped-off driver (and perhaps other occupants). Of course, sticking with the HH/ bridge abjuction scenario outlined by LE, is in opposition to a popular theory on BOC that she was ambushed and abducted in the back lot. I certainly believe that is a plausible and reasonable scenario, but if we consider the proposition aspect, then it is just as palatable to me that someone with prior knowledge of her plight and proposition, could have stopped and been convincing enough to have her get in his car after having been armed with that knowledge.
Just watched Morgan’s feature on America’s Most Wanted. I love John Walsh. The maps of AF were very clear. I hadn’t seen them before. It really show how remote & specific that location is.
Has her case been featured on their before?
Gil & Dan are so freaking inspiring. Man, I hope they know that. A-MA-Z-ING.
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My eyes have been opened over the past few months working on the local case here. I swear my mouth drops everyday. I’m not sure if it is the same during all investigations…but there are so many things they don’t tell the public….mainly for good reason. At the end of the day…you have officers who want to solve cases so badly are walking a tight rope.
Believe me, even the scum of the earth, knows how to play the system.
I would not be shocked at all if the cops have an idea of who this guy is but for whatever reason do not have probable cause to get a warrant. Heck, they could’ve already gotten DNA sample, tested it, matched etc but be legally unable to use it to file charges.
As B says, you can’t un f a case. And MANY Ppl other than LE can hinder an investigation. You have
to deal with what youre handed.
But let me tell you..unequivacally, it is up to the press to demand answers for the public. And it means the difference cases being solved.
thousands of families write these networks everyday begging for them to help or publicize the story of their loved one’s murder or disappearance.
No one answers.
The first movement in nearly 20 years happened a month and a half after this case got legitimate national coverage.
J4M
The harringtons are my heroes
I don’t get it. How could a girl feel that desperate for a ride when she had money to either buy a new ticket to enter JPJ again, or take a taxi. Surely she had 50 cents to make a collect phone call to her parents or to someone from a phone booth. I don’t get it.
Morgan had money to purchases another ticket. She had access to funds with her card.
B
so, the rumor of Morgan making the BBP a proposition is less likely. IMO.
She had her own means. Her car was PARKED there. She was not in a real position to feel THAT desperate. She didn’t feel desperate enough to break out her own car window to unlock it.
alexandra says:
October 13, 2012 at 8:58 am
I don’t get it. How could a girl feel that desperate for a ride when she had money to either buy a new ticket to enter JPJ again, or take a taxi. Surely she had 50 cents to make a collect phone call to her parents or to someone from a phone booth. I don’t get it.
Morgan had money to purchases another ticket. She had access to funds with her card. B
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This all signifies one of three things. Either JPJA was not going to let her in, with or without a ticket of any kind…and/or…she was not thinking clearly enough to come up with that idea…and/or..she simply had no desire to go back in there with her friends, sensory overload etc. due to the way she was feeling emotionally / physically.
Trying to catch up thanks to everyone for sharing your thoughts-
John says:
October 7, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Morgan did not proposition the BBP. I know this because beautiful girls do not proposition men. They are lying one and all. We all know why they are lying. Men always lie to cover up their own behaviour, and they always blame the female for her own rapes, beatings, misfortunes.
John, all we are aware of is rumors JUST rumors of “propositioning” and some are aware of rumors JUST rumors of racial slurs or stereotyping etc–
We therefore do not know anything-
I brought up this poss. information to try and objectfully look at the rumors and try to ask Blink to state what was actually supposedly said-
I felt it was a good time based on Blinks response
4.) What did Morgan want from the basketball players? I hesitate to respond to this because everything I know about what was said comes from one or two of them, and to be honest, I do not believe their account for 3 seconds. Not that I suspect them of involvement, I have no reason to to date, I will leave it at that in preservation of the civil suit.
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it seems that in addition to Blink many are aware of these rumors- Blink chooses not to get into details so we cant possibly know or judge the happenings or truth of these rumors –
For all we know Morgan like many young girls was just flirting joking saying silly flirtatious “pick up lines”- and that is all- She may have said something in jest that the BBP later turned into a “proposition”
I dont know what was said or the context of what was said, and if Blink knows she isnt saying
Many here have offered possible scenarios Ode, Mike, Olivia , CentVA Native Away —
It may be true IDK
What is a proposition what is a joke ?- theres a bumper sticker that reads-
grass ass or cash no one rides for free—is that a proposition or just a stupid joke a conversation starter a silly crass pickup line?
John we dont know the context or the contents of the proposed “proposition” so therfore you nor I can say Morgan didnt “proposition” the BBP- certainly not ased on the fact she as a beautiful woman would not do this…
Since the womans rights movement and the sexual revolution it is not amoral nor unheard of that a single woman even one of great beauty would voice her availability to a man or“hit on” a man-
And being that Morgan was a 20 something college student who was not in a relationship what is wrong with her seeking out the company of someone she finds attractive IF that is what she did?
For Cryin out loud– even if she did want to be with a BBP or got into a vehicle willingly with someone who had such a bumper sticker or HH away willingly after hiking up her skirt to gain a ride- IT STILL WOULD NOT MEAN SHE WAS JUST ASKING TO GET RAPED AND MURDERED
I dont care if Morgan promised she’d “put out” if __________ that is not the point-
Despite a persons actions or dress or jokes or flirting it matters NOT – NOONE has the right to Force themselves on another NO ONE has the right to expect PAYMENT or relief from a “tease” or from anyone -not a date -not a spouse -not anyone- for in the end—- NO means NO- —and it matters not what may or may not have occurred before the denial No scenario should end in rape and murder
You wrote:
Now I know for a certainty that their limited interaction with Morgan was not so limited afterall (suspected this from day one)
I agree with this John and its one of the reasons I brought this topic up for discussion as it matters IRT establishing a timeline.
You wrote:
I am not exactly sure what they did, but they definetely tormented her in some fashion. Morgan, I am so sorry they said this about you, and I am sorry your parents had to hear it.
John if you are not exactly sure then join the club- but please you cant say on one hand that you dont know but in the other hand “definetely” they “tormented” her in some fashion
And again we dont know what exactly was said and the Harringtons must surely already be aware- as even though this may be the first time youre hearing the rumors others elsewhere have brought them up for discussion.
You wrote:
OK, even if it , by some slim chance happened to be true, a gentleman would NEVER tell this, and respectable people would never say this about a slain girl. (that is why I KNOW it is a huge lie from the lowest scum on earth)
John Im happy to know some part of you is remaining objective to the possibility that something may have been said and it may be true –
You wrote
If true and if said then isnt it the obligation of the BBP and all witnesses to come forward and speak to LE?
J-That says nothing about their decency or their gentlemen behaviors- it isnt like they are spreading this info everywhere for petes sake they have chosen NOT to speak to the media- right? Even though it was okayed by LE-
So how can you say they are the lowest scum of the Earth?
John I agree they MAY be lying or exaggerating or painting themselves as one thing and Morgan as another the accounts may prove out to be impossible due to the timeline and other factors – and we can all agree that they being among the last to see Morgan and their not coming forward themselves and by speaking to “staff” first lends itself to them not being entirely forthcoming-
But in truth we just cant know.
We need to have an open mind otherwise WE are the ones who are painting Morgan into a corner and forcing her to live up to our unachievable standards and morals and because of this we are only going to help a defense-
AJMO
Peace
mike says:
October 7, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Thanks for sharing your thoughts all thought provoloing-
Also thanks for bring up the mantory curfew etc-
We must remember according to LE they the BBP “had another event to attend- no mention of dorm stamps or curfews or study halls just another event-
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John says:
October 8, 2012 at 10:28 am
Mike says “Also, they probably had to get back to either a mandatory study hall or a dorm curfew”
Say what, Mike???? College/univ. students have mandatory study halls, and curfews? Are you kidding me?
Mike, I do not appreciate you trying to make Morgan sound like someone she wasn’t. Morgan had her own car, her credit cards, was brought up by sensible parents, who were involved with her life up to the point her young life was stolen from her and them.
John Hi again-
First I must point out that Morgan Harrington was a human being not a nun not a saint just a human being we cant know who she was or wasnt
Having said that I agree with you “Morgan had her own car, her credit cards, was brought up by sensible parents”
She also had money available to her and others offered her aid-
THIS IS WHY I find the HH scenario so hard to believe- Morgan walked by countless taxis and she was not without her car and resources and if she had went back toward JPJ she most definitely could have caught a ride with someone more easily without walking in BOTH directions on the bridge-
So it does not seem likely to me that Morgan Harrington HH away from the area- again the timeline and witness accounts we are privy to do not seem to back this theory up- just because she attempted doeor acted like she was doesnt mean she ended up following thru—
Could it be true- yes but it could also not be true-
John you wrote:
If these BBP were decent guys as you call them, they would step forward and name the truth, no matter what the cost.
John just earlier you were saying they were scum of the Earth for sharing the info… so are you certain you and others “would one and all applaud them for this,although never condoning the behaviour”
John
I agree no matter if true or not the BBP never should have left Morgan Harrington in that back lot to fend for herself they should have alerted someone in authority to their concerns and they should have waited until; someone came to deal with her-
AJMO
Peace
alexandra says:
October 8, 2012 at 11:00 am
Morgan’s friends knew if she was as wasted as it appears she was. Shame on them for allowing her to leave and “find her own way home”. Did they say they enjoyed the concert?
I’m sorry guys, I’m so mad at them.
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Alexandra, hello
I can tell how mad and disappointed you are in Morgans friends and I admit in there have been times I felt much the same as you- But I have since thought more about it- especially after rereading the cosmo article
snipped:
“Meanwhile, on several different blogs and in online chat rooms, friends who had been with Morgan at the concert were all but crucified. Surely they knew Morgan had been drinking; why didn’t they go with her to the restroom? Why didn’t one of the group leave the concert to go home with her? Why didn’t they stop her from “finding a ride home”?
“Every time I saw the word friends in quotation marks, it broke my heart,” says Maggie. The longer the investigation went without any answers, the more everybody blamed Morgan’s friends. (Maggie wasn’t at the concert; her other friends have been told not to talk publicly about the events.)”
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Although I STILL believe they could have left they were under no obligation to, especially if Morgan said No dont- \
and even though I still believe they should have alerted security or LE or Dad to Morgans “missing” after the concert-before ever driving off in Morgans car to a warm bed thereby stranding her wherever she was-
IMO I know they were no more at fault then Morgan —-(or even the BBP for that matter)
we cant be willing to give Morgan the benefit of the doubt and not extend the same courtesy to her friends
I still wrestle with this and when I do I just listen/watch Savatages “When The Crowds Are Gone” it may help you too Alexandra- strabgely enough the video seems to tell Morgan and her friends story…
To Morgan and her friends-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoLbjaYpsNk
Morgan was young they were young and these friends will be forever entwined in the Tragedy of What happened October 17th 2009
For that I am sorry none of you deserved this
I am sure Morgan and her friends if they could would go back to that night and turn the lights on again –
Relive the concert with a different ending happily leaving alive together when the crowds are gone
When The Crowds are Gone
I don’t know where the years have gone
Memories can only last so long
Like faded photographs
Forgotten songs
And the things I never knew
When the skin is thin
The heart shows through
Please believe me what I tell you is true
Where’s the lights? Turn ‘em on again
One more night to believe and then
Another note for my requiem, a memory to carry on
The story’s over when the crowds have gone
All my friends have been crucified
Made life a long suicide true
Guess we never
Figured out the rules
But I’m still alive, my fingers feel
Gonna play on
Till the final reel’s through
And read the credits from a different view
Where’s the lights? Turn ‘em on again
One more night to believe and then
Another note for my requiem, a memory to carry on
The story’s over when the crowds have gone
When the crowds are gone
When the crowds are gone and I’m all alone
Playin’ the saddest song
Now that the lights are gone, turn them on again
One more time for me my friend, turn ‘em on again
I never wanted to know, never wanted to see
I wasted my time, till time wasted me
Never wanted to go, always wanted to stay
‘Cause the person I am are the parts that I play
So I plot and I plan, hope and I scheme
To the lure of a night, filled with unfinished dreams
I’m holding on tight, to a world gone astray
As they charge me for years, I can no longer pay, oh
When the crowds are gone
Turn ‘em on again, turn ‘em on again
Turn ‘em on again, turn ‘em on again
Turn ‘em on again, turn ‘em on again
I never wanted to know, never wanted to see
I wasted my time, till time wasted me
I never wanted to go, always wanted to stay
‘Cause the person I am, are the parts I play
I play, I play
And the lights, turn then off my friend
And the ghosts, we’ll just let them in
‘Cause in the dark, it’s easier to see
Peace AJMO
@j.me
I believe strongly RMC made Morgan aware she was not getting back in.
Still trying to catch up-
Sorry for being a board hog
first-time says:
October 8, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Firsttime I hear you and often times feel the same way
Wanttohelp
October 8, 2012 at 10:11 pm
thanks for sharing that info —So is the bush entirely easily seen from that window?
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Ragdoll says:
October 9, 2012 at 3:27 am
Morgan’s state….could it be simply attributed to her injury?
At this point, I feel it’s hard to believe the friends ‘reasoning’ that Morgan was intoxicated. Were all the girls drinking or just Morgan? I know they stories have been congruent, which is why I would LOVE for them to be interviewed separately.
This injury may have been a little more debilitating and caused organ to act in an intoxicated like manner. Has this been ruled out?
Ragdoll the friends say they were drinking but said they and Morgan were not drunk according to DG before the concert he did not say Morgan appeared drunk IIRC he said he saw no signs of drinking- -
So either Morgan was “maintaining” or they were mistaken….- so either the rest of Morgans erratic strange behaviors were due to a fall or she somehow continued to imbibe- once in the concert, or once locked out —
Remember LE wont comment other than to say she had been drinking and they said PP they cant know if she was drugged but have no evidence that she was…
no stories of Morgan drinking anything other than nonalcoholic drinks has emerged still she was also said to have been in the beer line or near it…dont know if this account was debunked- and there was one falling account which had her with a drink in her hand – no mention if soda or beer though…
So we cant know but all scenarios are possible- IMO
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Hummingbird says:
October 11, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Great to see you are still fluttering about.
CentVA Native Away says:
October 12, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Very thought provoking post
Dr. Pepper says:
October 13, 2012 at 12:45 am
I missed most of the show – if anyone has a link please post and please to anyone who did watch share your feelings all I saw was the end with Sketchs face — glad to see it out there hopefully this will generate new tips
Dr. P great post
AJMO
Peace
John says:
October 10, 2012 at 1:01 am
Redly says
They expected her to be making the “walk of shame” home at some point. If morgan were some paragon of 1950′s virtue, and not a NORMAL 2009 college student, I suspect their reaction would have been different (and I suspect she may have had different friends).
Redly, you are presuming to know the thoughts Morgan’s friends had about her. You might be surprised to learn that many young college students have higher standards of behaviour than their parents did, and that most of them did not condone haveing more than one “boyfriend” at a time. There is no such thing as NORMAL student behaviour. Each decides for himself. As many have stated, it does not make a difference what her behaviour was. (I do not believe for a minute that Morgan would proposition ANYBODY) I will not back down from that statement! My thoughts remain unchanged. Guilty people attempt to discredit the victim. This fact has not changed in 100 years. BTW what does your “taking a break” have to do with trying to help bring justice for Morgan. I make you angry? Why? I was not talking about you, was I? #
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I must respond to your post because IMO its statements like this (I do not believe for a minute that Morgan would proposition ANYBODY) I will not back down from that statement!===that can do more harm than good to Morgans case although I disagree with Redly terminology of a “Walk of Shame” too I also disagree with the talk of “higher standards of behavior” and implying those who have more than one boyfriend at a time are of a lower standard-
It is this type of language I wanted to discuss with my bringing up the rumors-I hope we can all talk it through including Redly-
I realize this topic is emotionally charged but if we cant discuss it here amongst those who want both the truth and justice and with those who care for all victims of crime whether those victims are are closer to Polly Pures or Debbie Does Dallas’ or just fall into the middle ground with the rest of us —then where is it safe to discuss it?
Regardless of a victims gender or past – sexual, drinking, drugs or criminal it shouldnt matter….. if we refuse to see them as humans and put them on some untouchable pedestal, the only thing the truth can do then is push them off that pedestal- for every human has a past and is capable of faltering or not living up to that “height”
IMO There is nothing wrong with a young man or woman consensually deciding they would like to get together –and have sex. They are adults and can decide what they wish-as you said- to paint Morgan as NEVER doing this or that etc which might show she had such “low standards” and to state you will never back down from that statement- is playing right into the defenses hands IMO
We have got to stop doing this – me too
This type of Rhetoric is what rape defenses thrive upon- if a staunch supporter of Morgan can not get overt their morals and if they keep heaping them on to Morgans back then when the defense succeeds in bringing up any of Morgans past with perhaps more than one boyfriend or more than 1 sexual encounter or just simply perhaps she wasnt a virgin or she may have been very flirtatious with BBps then They have sadly helped to paint her as someone of low standards by their own permanent stance of refusing to back down at all costs….
It only helps the defense paint her as NOT a victim of Rape but perhaps as a willing participant in some BS scenario of rough consensual sex gone bad- because she could not live up to impossible standards
It would seem she either was a saint or a hooker… and clearly she was neither.
John I know you have a good heart and I value your opinions and feelings. I hope my response to you does not offend you in any way- I just really think everyone needs to stop defending Morgan by assuming she was perfect in every way.
She cant possibly live up to that role and since she cant, does that mean those that say she contributed to her rape and murder are right? NO absolutely not-
AJMO
Peace
@ Mom3.0
Thank you for you response, friendy. That supports my ‘feelings’ about her state of mind. Can’t make any conclusions until it’s comfirmed by investigators. My feelings are a strong hunch and that it could have been more of a cheap buzz than wasted. I believe that injury is what made her vulnerable and a target.
Hugs to you Mom. Great to see your heart felt posts. I’m happy you haven’t shortened them. Your fans would be greatly disappointed
Praying God’s redemption will prevail and family/friends of missing and murdered beloved ones will see justice. Their predators/killers are marked for life!
Thank God we live in a country where women are free to choose whatever lifestyle they want and who they want to be. Nobody has the right to lay a hand on anyone, male or female WITHOUT their consent.
It’s freedom.
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/VSP-Receives-Tips-in-Harrington-Case-after-AMW-Feature-174055691.html?fb_action_ids=370859486325609&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%22370859486325609%22%3A190143731121042%7D&action_type_map=%7B%22370859486325609%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=
To view the show…click on the yellow date in the archives:
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=68876
Mom3, you could twist a pretzle. I do not know how to respond to you, and quite frankly, am not interested in trying. My post was intended to state just exactly what I had stated. I do not believe the BBP if they said Morgan propositioned them. IF there was a witness (as Blink seemed to suggest) to whatever interaction was going on between the BBP and Morgan, then the BBP would wish to paint Morgan in a disagreeable light to save their own skins. I hope I am making myself clear. I do not believe Morgan propositioned them or anybody else. I do not believe it, NO I do not.
@Ragdoll “murders frequently return to the scene”. Why don’t you direct your sarcasm at the person who actually said that instead of me? That never came out of my mouth.Maybe now you’ll be able to comprehend why I said what I said.Thanks
bp3- not how we dissent on BOC. Therefore not posting your other 2 posts. You did not state that murderers frequently return to the scene, John did, it is fair to point that out to Ragdoll, I would appreciate we maintain mutual respect here- it is required.
B
Dear John,
Usually pretzels are twisted- so you stating I could twist a pretzel well…umm that is both funny and does make your statement true as it was not I that “pretzelized” your words they were all ready twisted….All I did was take your own statements and share my perspective. Sorry if that held a mirror up to them – if you agree they are twisted- then straighten/clarify them
For John, you were not being clear- as on one hand you admit to not knowing what went on- but on the other you claim to know exactly definitely what went on- and the reasons why
You claim to know what the BBP did and why and claim to know why Morgan would never X Y or Z all of which seems to be solely based upon what you determine to be high vs low standards and based on who you think the BBP were or who Morgan was or should have been- again based on your morals and standards not Morgans
John you are saying much more than you dont believe these rumors you are making moral judgments against Morgan and the BBP
“Morgan did not proposition the BBP. I know this because beautiful girls do not proposition men.”
“They are lying one and all”
“Men always lie to cover up their own behaviour, and they always blame the female for her own rapes, beatings, misfortunes. ”
“I am not exactly sure what they did, but they definetely tormented her in some fashion.”
“OK, even if it , by some slim chance happened to be true, a gentleman would NEVER tell this, and respectable people would never say this about a slain girl. (that is why I KNOW it is a huge lie from the lowest scum on earth)”
“IF there was a witness (as Blink seemed to suggest) to whatever interaction was going on between the BBP and Morgan, then the BBP would wish to paint Morgan in a disagreeable light to save their own skins I hope I am making myself clear. I do not believe Morgan propositioned them or anybody else. I do not believe it, NO I do not.”
“Say what, Mike???? College/univ. students have mandatory study halls, and curfews? Are you kidding me?
Mike, I do not appreciate you trying to make Morgan sound like someone she wasn’t. ”
“If these BBP were decent guys as you call them, they would step forward and name the truth, no matter what the cost. We would one and all applaud them for this, although never condoning the behaviour. Is there one among them who is this “decent” guy? You can be sure they all know what happened that dark and rainy night Oct. 17, 2009.”
“You might be surprised to learn that many young college students have higher standards of behaviour than their parents did, and that most of them did not condone haveing more than one “boyfriend” at a time. There is no such thing as NORMAL student behaviour. Each decides for himself. As many have stated, it does not make a difference what her behaviour was. (I do not believe for a minute that Morgan would proposition ANYBODY) I will not back down from that statement! My thoughts remain unchanged. Guilty people attempt to discredit the victim. This fact has not changed in 100 years”
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You are applying absolutes to a case which has little to no known facts.
Men always do x y z
Morgan never because xyz
the BBP x y z
guilty people do xyz
decent people or those with higher standards do x y z
John- we are all trying to get to the truth we are all victims advocates here-
We dont know what happened
We cant say what happened – we can theorize- but we cant know-
IMO we have got to stop demonizing everyone that came in contact with Morgan-
her friends
the witnesses
the BBP
If we continue to do this this then we have essentially pitted Morgan against everyone and they will come to hate Morgan for what we have done-
We have got to stop the canonizing of Morgan-
We dont know her and never did- we can advocate for her and for all victims – we can choose our language better
We can say no matter who she was or what happened that night she never deserved to be left out in the cold nor did she deserve to be raped and murdered….but we can not continue to call others liars because their accounts may show Morgan as some thing less than saintly
John I am not saying you are a bad person or a bad advocate- or that you are not entitled to your feelings and opinions
All of us have at one time or another lost our objectivity or spoke in absolutes- or harshly criticized or held Morgan up too high..
again all I am saying is:
We need to have an open mind, otherwise WE are the ones who are painting Morgan into a corner and forcing her to live up to our unachievable standards and morals and because of this we are only going to help a defense-
pS.
It seems to me – with the RMC suit we may come to know exactly what happened- in doing so, I think we will be able to tell the only persons who definitely could have changed the outcome- for Morgan would have been JPJ/RMC as IF they would have helped an injured patron or checked Morgans ID when she was combative- belligerent- erratic-acting drunk- they should have called LE or the drunk tank– taking a bad situation and making it better and safer for all–
thereby protecting their patrons -Morgans friends- their employees- the witnesses- the BBP- and Morgan too.
AJMO
Peace