Kyron Horman Disappearance: Exclusive Three Part Series Debuts On Blink On Crime
Kyron Horman would be 10 years old this Sunday. Maybe he will be. According to his Father Intel engineer Kaine Horman, his only son is alive and well at an unknown location “secreted” away by an unknown person with an unknown connection to his estranged wife Terri Horman.
Kyron Horman’s biological Mother, Desiree Young, or Momma as he called her, believes Kyron is either alive or deceased- both locations known to Terri Horman and possibly others.
Kyron’s case has once again been featured on Jane Velez Mitchell and is scheduled to be featured on Americas Most Wanted .
Reader interest in what I have affectionately dubbed our “red eyed tree frog dude” has produced well over 20,000 comments on this site alone.
In our upcoming report series, Blink On Crime, in conjunction with contributing BOC legal analyst Washington Attorney Lea Conner intends to review both current information in detail as well as exclusive new information developed by Editor In Chief and Chief criminal analyst, S. Christina Stoy.
Part I: Desiree Young V Terri Horman Case : The Little Engine That Could, Or Could Not?
Part II: Sovereignty Is A Myth: Revelations About The Morning Kyron Disappeared
Part III: The Big Muscle Theory- Does It Have Weight?
Part I publishes Tuesday September 11.
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Yay!!! It’s article day! Finger crossed!
Xoxo
Blink you need lunch and you need dear friends. Please re-schedule ASAP
nope, in the blink tank for the duration, but thanks.
B
As to $, I expect if T had no involvement, and has no information, there is plenty of scope to sue Desiree & Kaine for their media statements as long as she remains a private person (makes no media statements of her own).
wpg says:
September 11, 2012 at 12:08 am (snipped)
“Blink,
Was TH seen on video at the Fred Meyers Monday, June 4 corroborating her claim to have been in the check-out at 9:12am?”
“Yes.
B”
Egads, Blink, I was remiss in thanking you for your reply.
Thank you, Blink.
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There are so few yes or no answers in this case, it really stands out when we get one from anybody. Yes – thanks!
I’ve always thought the questions from LE about the first FM were not so much about whether she was there, but whether anyone was in the truck or parking lot or even nearby in the store who could be associated with her. Wonder if they looked for Dede on any of the surveillance tapes – surely they did. Andrea Leckey probably didn’t know her, but even if she did, she was busy talking and looking at a picture and had to be somewhere else at ten, so it’s doubtful she would have noticed.
That still leaves a very large chunk of time during which we seem to only know for certain that she was at Albertson’s (Blink says) and that she checked into the gym – either for an hour or for 15 minutes.
Perhaps we will soon learn more.
About Terri suing for her legal expenses, perhaps that’s why
Ramirez is gofundme account owner & blogger.
Thanks for the link Lauren. So is Mark Wagner coming out of retirement to join forces in this case? I don’t see him listed as an active attorney @ Hart-Wagner. One of his former cases, medical mal-practice. Looks like they lost.
Court rules that former Portland TV personality should get $1.4 million from doctor, OHSU
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/02/court_rules_that_former_portla.html
Do I have the right guy?
Home Movies with Kyron Horman:
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/video/Home-movies-show-Kyron-Horman-97102679.html
Was just reviewing the home movies….the reporter indicates the first two clips are from the “same play” ….
Where did the litte boy to the left of Ky in 1st play go to? (dark hair, oversized shirt, was figiting with the bottom of his shirt and was looking behind him). All the other kids seems to be in the same order/line up as first clip. I don’t see this particular boy in the 2nd video/same play.
3. Rose says:
September 11, 2012 at 11:12 am
As to $, I expect if T had no involvement, and has no information, there is plenty of scope to sue Desiree & Kaine for their media statements as long as she remains a private person (makes no media statements of her own).
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I’m glad you brought that up, I’ve been wondering just how many avenues she will have (potentially) to sue, ie media, individuals, LE, etc. If she is truly innocent the potential for her to make a butt load of money is substantial. Remember the rumors early when she hired Houze about the “book deal?”
Quit starting without me, lol
B
in 2007, after PPB had reorganized from 3 precincts to 5, tge Schools Police Division was dissolved & its officers attached to the 5 Precincts. While this saved Admin overhead, perhaps it didn’t work so well after PPB went back to a 3 Precinct model to save more money.
http://www.portlandonline.com/police/index.cfm?c=43665&a=147484
(The second & final SPO Newsletter announcing its own dissolution.)
You will see the Officer for Skyline had the fewest el eds in her caseload.
If Terri is telling the truth about leaving Skyline at 8:45 after watching Kyron walk toward his class…. did she also make sure that SZ had him in his sight before leaving?
picture of officer nancy poggi assigned to Skyline at the time
http://eastpdxnews.com/general-news-features/ex-cop-helps-50-officers-outfit-needy-kids-for-school/
http://www.portlandonline.com/police/index.cfm?a=138920&c=43665
excellent first newsletter. School incident reports & arrests.
Perhaps unit was dissolved because captain was too good.
He’s probably retired now.
Skyline parent, whose 5 yo kid should’ve still been there in 2010, formed alliance with former Mayor Tom Potter’s wife, an educator, for schools fundraising:
http://thevig.portlandtribune.com/news/print_story.php?story_id=33430
The former School Div head became head of Forensic Evidence Div, which solicits & receives equipment grants from Intel.
I’m glad you brought that up, I’ve been wondering just how many avenues she will have (potentially) to sue, ie media, individuals, LE, etc. If she is truly innocent the potential for her to make a butt load of money is substantial. Remember the rumors early when she hired Houze about the “book deal?”
Quit starting without me, lol
B
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Can’t, you’ve trained us tooooooo well.
ROFL
Rose says:
September 11, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Skyline parent, whose 5 yo kid should’ve still been there in 2010, formed alliance with former Mayor Tom Potter’s wife, an educator, for schools fundraising:
http://thevig.portlandtribune.com/news/print_story.php?story_id=33430
The former School Div head became head of Forensic Evidence Div, which solicits & receives equipment grants from Intel.
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I don’t know the Skyline parent, but I’ve worked with Mayor Potter’s wife – one of the nicest people, one of the best teachers, and one of the most committed to the welfare of children that I’ve ever met. Not a political, out front person, but she gets things done.
MockingbirdSings says:
September 11, 2012 at 11:13 am
(snipped)
“I’ve always thought the questions from LE about the first FM were not so much about whether she was there, but whether anyone was in the truck or parking lot or even nearby in the store who could be associated with her.”
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Right, right . . . I forgot about that media presser and the public flyer with the photos of the FM parking lots and trucks. Thanks for the reminder, MockingBirdSings.
Rose says:
September 11, 2012 at 12:31 pm
in 2007, after PPB had reorganized from 3 precincts to 5, tge Schools Police Division was dissolved & its officers attached to the 5 Precincts. While this saved Admin overhead, perhaps it didn’t work so well after PPB went back to a 3 Precinct model to save more money.
http://www.portlandonline.com/police/index.cfm?c=43665&a=147484
(The second & final SPO Newsletter announcing its own dissolution.)
You will see the Officer for Skyline had the fewest el eds in her caseload.
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@ Rose –
To avoid confusion – when I posted about the (uniformed officers) School Police who were PPS employees and then cut from the district, I was referring to the situation before PPB formed their School Police Division to replace the original PPS School Police (which is then followed by your post). When you add it all up, it makes for a lot of changes, not only in organization and supervision, but also in partnerships and shared resources. (I hope I haven’t confused anyone more with this post.)
my imagination is running around like a gyroscope.
that creative, generous fundraiser for all PPS,
friend of wife of former Police Chief & Mayor,
is on The List as a Skyline parent. Bet she knew
what there was to know about that morning. Perhaps
when Sam Adams tweeted for an attender’s id, he
was trying to compete with the competence of his
mayoral predecessor & former PPB head. Did the
PPB budget get dramatically cut under Adams? Could
Adams have steered Kyron’s case to mcso?
kimberly says:
September 11, 2012 at 12:20 pm
3. Rose says:
September 11, 2012 at 11:12 am
As to $, I expect if T had no involvement, and has no information, there is plenty of scope to sue Desiree & Kaine for their media statements as long as she remains a private person (makes no media statements of her own).
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I’m glad you brought that up, I’ve been wondering just how many avenues she will have (potentially) to sue, ie media, individuals, LE, etc. If she is truly innocent the potential for her to make a butt load of money is substantial. Remember the rumors early when she hired Houze about the “book deal?”
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It may not be as simple as it sounds. Here’s a previous post I did about what it takes to sue, etc.
http://www.open-oregon.com/New_Pages/media_handbook/toc.html
I found Chapter 12, “Defamation”, to be very interesting. This is a good website for easy to read, accurate information for a layperson about various Oregon statutes – intended to help people understand the law. Some people have wondered if the printed articles and comments about Terri could be considered slander if she is not proven guilty. Here are some quotes, some of which are copied from the actual statutes.
A plaintiff who sues for defamation must generally prove three things: (1) that a defamatory statement was made or communicated; (2) that the defamatory statement was published, and (3) that the defamatory statement caused the plaintiff to suffer damages.
Oregon courts have set forth the following definition of a defamatory statement:
“A defamatory communication is one which would subject a person to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or tend to diminish the esteem, respect, goodwill or confidence in which one is held or to excite adverse, derogatory, or unpleasant feelings or opinions against one.”
Oregon’s Retraction Statute: Truth is an absolute defense to an action for defamation; if the statement is true, a media defendant cannot be liable for publishing it. The Oregon legislature, however, has provided another way for a media defendant to attempt to insulate itself from some of the damages that might result from a defamatory statement. Oregon’s Retraction Statute, ORS 30.150-30.175, provides that a plaintiff may not recover so-called general damages (damages which are not measurable by proof of a specific monetary loss. In the context of defamation, general damages are designed to compensate the plaintiff for the harm to reputation -a harm which is not measurable in a money loss.) unless a correction or retraction is demanded but not published. Otherwise, the only way a plaintiff might recover general damages is if he or she can prove that the media defendant actually intended to defame him or her — a very high standard to meet. Even in that situation, the publication of a correction or retraction may be considered to mitigate the plaintiff’s damages.
The retraction procedure allows an allegedly defamed person or his or her attorney to make a written demand for correction or retraction that must be delivered to the publisher of the statement — either personally, by registered mail, or by certified mail, return receipt requested — at the publisher’s place of business or residence within 20 days after the defamed person first becomes aware of the defamatory statement. The demand for retraction must specify which statements are false and defamatory and request that they be corrected or retracted. In addition, the demand may refer to the sources from which the true facts may be accurately ascertained. The publisher then has two weeks after receiving the demand for retraction to investigate the demand and determine whether to publish a correction or retraction. The retraction must appear in the first issue published, or first broadcast made, after the expiration of the two-week deadline. The content of the retraction should substantially state that the defamatory statements previously made are not factually supported, and that the publisher regrets their original publication. Finally, the correction or retraction must be published in substantially as conspicuous manner as was the defamatory statement. In other words, a retraction regarding an article that appeared in the front page of a newspaper should not run in the classifieds section.
Private Figure Plaintiffs: If the court determines that the plaintiff is not a public figure but instead simply a private individual, then the actual malice standard does not apply. A private individual need only prove that the defendant acted with ordinary negligence in publishing a defamatory statement.
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There is MUCH more to this subject, of course, and I am drawing no legal conclusions of any kind here – other than to say that I kept remembering I had read that to sue for defamation of character you had to declare that the statements made about you were not true. I looked it up and found the Oregon Retraction Statement above.
The media has been very careful to state that she has not been charged or declared a suspect. But even if you are a Terri supporter who believes she has done nothing wrong and is getting a raw deal from the press, you’d better read the Oregon Retraction Statement (quoted above) again concerning HER responsibility.
The website is “Open Oregon – A Freedom of Information Coalition”
This web site has been made possible by a grant from the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation through the National Freedom of Information Coalition
http://www.open-oregon.com/index.html
New comment: One problem for her re suing, it seems to me, is that neither she nor her attorneys have ever made a statement to the media or, as far as I know to any individuals, stating publicly that anything that is being said is not true, and asking for a retraction. And, as I have pointed out, there is a time limit for doing that and requesting a retraction. Most of the reports have been careful to say she has not been charged with anything.
Nancy Poggi’s time was split between Lincoln High School and Skyline Elementary. Was she at Lincoln high that day or maybe she was attending the funeral for the local officer? Did someone know that she for sure would not be at Skyline that morning because of something, like the funeral?
I often think about how if Jaycee Dugard’s two little girls had gone unnoticed by the two Berkeley Campus cops, they’d most likely still be imprisoned by Phillip & Nancy Garrido today along with their mother of course.
How astute of those two women to notice something just a bit *off* AND actually do something about it. Didn’t anyone, anywhere around that school of 300+ people that day, notice anything a bit *off*? A look, a gesture, an off comment……..it’s just so bizarre. Or maybe something leading up to Kyron’s disappearance, the week before, when things were apparently running amok at the school? Someone knows something, things weren’t and couldn’t have been totally *normal* that day. It is not normal for a child to simply disappear. Many have asked, why is Terri so quiet, she must be hiding something to have lawyered up. Well, I have the same darn question for Skyline Elementary and all of it’s employees.
@Shelly says:
September 11, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Potty? LOL
[...] recent memory as far as the frantic and grieving mom’s of missing children’s set is concerned, believes her youngest son has been kidnapped by Terri [...]
@TRuth. She covered 4 el eds, 2 middles, and Lincoln in 2007. The job was brought back to the precincts & its natire changed. Who knows what the Skyline coverage was like in 2010? The only thing we know from PPB regs was the SPO liason was first line & PPB detectives had site jurisdiction. Who f’ed with that by never declaring the school a crime scene?
Come hither, fellow Blinksters, it is written:
Blink On Crime – Kyron Horman Disappearance Series Part I: Desiree Young V Terri Horman- Civil As An Oxymoron » says:
September 11, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Quit starting without me, lol
B
But Blink, some of us don’t even buy green bananas anymore.
I know, patience is a virtue. LOL
cd, I should have apologized to you when you had to call me out on my potty mouth. I apologize for not promptly admitting that I was wrong. Instead, I became more playful with it and dovetailed (not intentional pun) into my true mission for writing here, which ended up not addressing your concern.You were right to complain and I’m sorry that I fogged up the picture which should be all about finding Kyron Horman and bringing justice to those who disappeared him. thanks all for your indulgence–i will try not to do it again.
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Desiree’s lawsuit was a risk as I and others mentioned much earlier: she had to know it would probably backfire. The judge is going to let it go on, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Houze doesn’t ask for it to be thrown out, especially as 1) no criminal charges have been filed against Terri M. Horman 2) There is no evidence that Terri was involved with Kyron Horman’s disappearance and 3) the civil suit could bring discovery that both sides would have to deal with. (And Desiree isn’t mad as heck at the school, classroom teacher, bus driver??! omg. They’d be #1 on my civil suit.)
If Terri was going to talk she would have done it long before Des suit was filed. She didn’t talk numerous other times–and she even let her little girl go away, without a fight because she knew she’d have to do some ‘splaining.
The Judge, however, may be in big trouble for saying that Terri Horman was the “prime suspect” in the disappearance of Kyron Horman. I kept reading that in the headlines when he opined that, but it didn’t really register that no one else had said that publicly! Thanks, Blink, for pointing that out.
What is the consensus of readers who believe that Kyron is alive and being raised by another family in Mexico or Canada? It’s a possibility. We did have some family members, connected by the alleged murder-for-hire situation, who took off for Mexico and haven’t returned. I would love for that to be true.
The white truck making its visitations on a deadend road at 3pm on Friday and 2 am Saturday, witnessed by Jim Kelly and his neighbor are mystifying. I can only surmise that it had something to do with the disappearance.
IMO there were several/numerous people involved in this situation and none of them had Kyron’s best interests at heart. Just as there have been many separations between the parents and children in this case, perhaps Terri is content to believe that someday all of this will blow over and all will reunite.
I’m lost, Blinksters. It’s almost 9/14 or already there for the East Coast. Where are all the 9/13 posts?
Word Girl,
They’d be on the newer thread . . .
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/11/kyron-horman-disappearance-series-part-i-desiree-young-v-terri-horman-civil-as-an-oxymoron/#more-6463
Evening, you are up, I have been on Ridgeway for several hours, I appolly I am behind in the mod .
B
@MBS. Since Det. O’Donnell’s first and perhaps only Det job was detail to PPB Child Abuse unit, and his assignment just before this case, , he should have had plenty of experience & training with working with local cpsd including testifying at ex parte hearings to effect emergency plans for the safety of specific children. It does NOT mean taking custody from a parent. In fact remaining in the home with the responsible parent is always first preference. Look at Celis. Portland cpsd pioneered a MBO program aimed at keeping kids in their homes with their parent as first pref in 70s. I can’t believe the community milieu has regressed.
keep in mind, the accusations from mcso attested to by Kaine in HIS RO boil down to. and Judge acted on: 1) abduction & probable murder of son; 2) attempt murder of spouse.
Can it get any worse?
Shades of Powell.
And keep in mind at this stage mcso did not “know” Parent 2.
Would he re- unite with abuser?
Would he supervise & safeguard Kiara adequately?
Only way to ensure that was cpsd/Court accountability for st least 30 days.
If this is not a case, with these accusations, where Det O’Donnell, with his recent detail, knew to have a separate Court hearing in the Juvenile protective system, what is?
And back to Powell. Visitation at his home, or anywhere, and level of supervision was a red herring. As long as he knew grandparents name & whereabouts, he would’ve simply gone there & killed kids & relatives imo even with an RO.
With parents of this nature, homicidal, one had to change the threatened parent/children(s) name & hide them until himicidal parent was locked up for repeat violations of RO or other crimes.
And mcso/Kaine have alleged this is the type of parent/spouse Terri was. The rush by Rackner back to the residence for Kaine/Kiara belies the affidavit of fear imo.
Again, best evidence in favor of TM is she has not violated RO.