Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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“the picture” Adams tweeted might’ve been provided by his domestic partner Zuckerman, Oregonian Court reporter, who “outed” Boy Scout pedophile coverups in his community, rather than provided by LE as I’d assumed.
http://www.authorpeterzuckerman.com/_big__i_scouts__honor__i___big__112606.htm
Say, hey! Whaaaat?? Not being able to decipher B, I wonder about DY KNOWING exactly WHO saw Kyron.
Does this mean that DY agrees with B’s belief it was a SZ who took him, that she “knows exactly when and by whom” and if she does, why don’t others, including LE? The only thing I get from all of this is that B and DY know “exactly when and by whom” Kyron was taken; they just don’t have a name.
Oh, heck – we are probably reading too much into a spur-of-the-moment comment by DY.
@wpg says: June 13, 2013 at 4:46 pm
“It is 8:45am on June 4th, 2013 and this moment marks 3 years since my Kyron was last seen by anyone that cares about him.”
This could mean DY has knowledge of someone else that last saw Kyron at 8:45 and no one that cares about Kyron saw him AFTER 8:45.
Makes me wonder about the timing of a SZ as well as the timing of departure by TH.
(Blink replied): DY knows exactly the last time Ky was seen, by whom, and it was not TH.
B
@erose says:June 13, 2013 at 10:51 pm
This is a clear (maybe Freudian) admission by DY that TH cares about Kyron, IMO. Respectfully, I wish she could examine what she said without bias.
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I totally agree. I think DY would have moved heaven over to get Kyron back if she thought TMH was in any way dangerous to him, and would have fought KH to the death for her little boy. I think she felt that TMH really cared about Kyron. –and from all of those happy, smiling photos, I also think TMH loved him. –and put up with a LOT from an annoying, selfish, overbearing and bossy husband.
It’s possible that the reason Kyron is gone has more to do with KH than with TMH
@Rose
I believe it was Kaine’s connection with Intel that brought in FBI, just in case it was related to someone trying to put pressure on K through snatching Kyron. We have been given the impression that K was middle management, not that important, but I have heard talk that he was well known to higher ups as a very promising engineer. Intel definitely works on classified projects. (sounds like the level Snowden was!) We have no idea what K was working on at Intel. To me it’s the only plausible explanation for the extensive federal interest with all those agencies coming in at least briefly. we of course have no way to know if fbi or anybody else is still investigating. national security probably. public can’t be told. you know the drill.
Rose says:
June 17, 2013 at 10:39 am
reviewinglotsa Adams critiques
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/
lucid posts by skyline parent & erose 1/2 way down
Read up on Vera Katz a self-made woman after my own heart;
a coureagous piece of work. Shocking how white Supremacist
orgs took after her, imo due to being Jewish & hiring blacks.
A man surviving as her chief of staff (S Adams) for 11 yrs
could not possibly be a dipshit. So it would be great to know
who in LE (or the political community) did he talk about the investigation
with, dates, & what content? Over to Houze in criminal trial’s depos, I hope, to
get those answers.
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You are so right in this one, Rose. I knew Vera Katz for probably 5 of the years she was mayor. I can’t think of another local mayor in the last 4 or 5 decades who could even be compared to her for passion, integrity, action, courage, focus, and creative solutions. She was highly respected and simply never gave up when there was a problem to be solved. She was also targeted by ugly, personally threatening graffiti. PPB officers took it personally too, and did not rest until they caught the guy.
I never understood the Adams thing. I am absolutely positive she would not have kept him on her staff if he had not been capable, smart and productive. I don’t see how he could suddenly become a poor mayor – he certainly knew the job. I think he may not have been as good at building trustworthy political alliances for himself as she was, and maybe not as good at rebounding from criticism. He didn’t just absentmindedly tweet, IMO.
I’ve read S Adams was big on PPS & K-12
education, protecting its budget as best as he could.
So maybe it was PPS involvement that caught his eye
that Friday nite. I’d see him as suggesting calling
the local new FBI Field Office head who got so involved.
Adams had been negotiating enough with the FBI who wanted
heightened terrorism cooperation. He probably just picked up
the phone. I don’t see Staton picking up the phone Fri nite.
Personally I don’t think it was anything to do with Kaine & his job.
The gofundme site is still up.
That tells me DY still believes TMH has information needed to bring Kyron home.
Regarding the 13 year old Gresham boy who was found in Montana with other family members:
1 – perhaps the police were slow to alert because he did appear to be a runaway, may have had help from other family members, and his mom said something to the effect that she was sorry if they had angered him
2 – perhaps they should have considered that if he was on his own at 13 with only a couple of local bus passes, he was at risk even if someone from another area was helping him
The above story has been mentioned previously and is OT, but it does make me wonder if there should be a better, standard response to any missing child – simply find the child using every approach possible. I don’t see that runaways are in some kind of less risky category. The thinking behind a child’s decision to run, plus their lack of resources and mature judgment certainly put them at great risk for manipulation, abduction, accidents, or whatever.
@mbs. that was one point of the mother whose 12 & 14 yos absconded.
@wpg. She will still have legal bills. A winding up of a suit incurs expenses.
However, remember this suit was imo contingent fee, and much billable time has been expended
w/o prospect of payment unless the suit goes to a verdict with a financial award. Therefore, imo
it would be the rare tort attorney who would not continue on to trial asap. Imo Rosenthal
agreed to abatement because he needs evidence from LE, just like Kaine. In any case she is
donating remainder if any and I believe her family’s vision is a foundation like Kaine’s. Didn’t her
father once express some sense of feeling left out from Kaine’s distribution planning. This is her sister’s ownership fund isn’t it.
@mbs. I think the info that Mom gave us was “runaway” has been decriminalized at the federal level therefore LE has no policing obligation to any child concluded by them to more likely than not be a runaway. Unless the Fed legislation is overturned & an adjudicatable crime reinstituted, LE does not search for runaways.
Long ago these kids were adjudicated as Persons in Need of Supervision. I saw these type cases while I sat in Court waiting for my own to be called. It was a means for Judicial placement into group homes & other residential setting & to get schooling & other resources from the gov’t to the wayward child…who on the streets was ripe for deugs, prostitution & crime. Public Defenders who were any good would have a plan & where to go lined up before the Court hearing & just present it to the Judge who’d so order.
Then somebody at the Federal level decided this whole system should be contracted out to voluntarism and points of light, LE played no more role (PINS was no longer a “crime”), and Portland among others got a child homeless & prostitution problem, which indirectly feeds pedophiles.
@Rose – (I meant to say in my post about the 13 year old that his sister said he told her he was going to run away.) In reference to your post about LE and runaways – I worked as a counselor at a non-profit agency called Harry’s Mother one year in the 1980′s. At that time, we only worked with runaways. Shelter was provided in a group home for 2 weeks to a month and we did crisis oriented family counseling to try to get a resolution and plan for the child (ages 12 – 17).
What was interesting then was that if a boy had been reported 3x as a runaway, he was then entered into the juvenile justice system as a “delinquent” in need of court supervision. For a girl, it was the very first runaway report. Police would pick them up and bring them to us (if room) with the agreement of the child to follow our rules, and then family permission. Sometimes a family would not work with us at all. Kids usually preferred our temporary shelter to detention.
When a law was passed that police could only hold them a couple of hours whether anyone came to get them or not, it got tougher to work with them. I was always so impressed with the kids – many of them had really difficult choices to make and were incredibly brave. While continuing on to work in a high school, it became my opinion that we do a very poor job of respecting and helping kids when problems first become apparent. We offer few resources for families and very little help for how to be an effective parent. We simply look at the end result of our negligence and put the blame there.
It is my personal opinion that a child who is 7 years old is not capable of understanding the full meaning of running away from home and should never be considered or called a “runaway” even if they claim that’s what they are doing. This is not to say a 7-year old can’t recognize when home is not a safe place to be.
Bottom line, I guess, is whatever it is that we need to do to help our kids, we don’t have it right yet. What I wonder is – who’s working on a better, potentially more successful approach?
So, refresh my memory, did any reporter ever ask the mayor why he tweeted that picture? Was the mayor trying to sway the investigation? Was the mayor pointing a finger at someone he actually knew? IDK.
Since you’re talking about the mayor’s tweet, I stumbled upon this and I hadn’t seen it before, apparently it was a Craigs list post by someone, about Kaine being a drug mule. 3rd post down on this cached page, the orginal page seems to be gone. I’d never seen this before, but I see it was once discussed on SM early on.
http://www.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page_id=-208729822&page_url=//www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9647&start=675&sid=de886bfe5f2666995fe15ea52af46808&page_last_updated=2010-09-08T05:59:30&firstName=Kaine&lastName=Horman
wpg says:
June 13, 2013 at 4:46 pm
“It is 8:45am on June 4th, 2013 and this moment marks 3 years since my Kyron was last seen by anyone that cares about him.”
This could mean DY has knowledge of someone else that last saw Kyron at 8:45 and no one that cares about Kyron saw him AFTER 8:45.
Makes me wonder about the timing of a SZ as well as the timing of departure by TH.
DY knows exactly the last time Ky was seen, by whom, and it was not TH.
B
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http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kyron-richard-horman/view
This is from the FBI website. He was last seen that morning AFTER attending….It does not say while attending. SF was from 8:00am to 10:00am
“Kyron Richard Horman has been missing from Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon, since June 4, 2010. He was last seen that morning after attending a science fair at the school”
OK, so how much of this stuff is actually true and not the opinion of someone with an ax to grind? I know I didn’t just fall off the turnip truck, but there’s so much hoo-ha going around, it’s hard to know exactly what to believe.
The only connection I can see is if Kyron was taken as revenge (maybe with Elsie and the 2 children), but then it wouldn’t be a SZ who is the perp, and Blink is pretty sure it’s a SZ (I’m equating that with child molester).
Anyway, grain of salt???
@T. Ruth says: June 18, 2013 at 3:21 pm .
http://www.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page_id=-208729822&page_url=//www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9647&start=675&sid=de886bfe5f2666995fe15ea52af46808&page_last_updated=2010-09-08T05:59:30&firstName=Kaine&lastName=Horman
Hoo Ha is a good word. If it walks like one.. don’t believe it. I have never seen such bunk by posters as I have in this case.
B
@TRuth, or anyone, Does the Craigslist reference to Norm Frinker possibly mean Norm Frink, chief deputy DA for Multnomah County?
Good grief, is there no end to this stuff?:
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Sherwood-Teacher-Sex-Abuse-Allegations-211937191.html
HILLSBORO — A former Sherwood High School teacher was arrested Monday, accused of having sex with two boys at her home and the homes of the boys during school hours.
Denise Keesee, 38, is accused of six counts of second-degree sex abuse. She was booked into the Washington County jail Monday and held on $120,000 bond.
The alleged offenses date back to 2006, according to Washington County sheriff’s office detective Robert Rookhuyzen. She was married to the school’s Sherwood police liaison officer, who has not been charged with any crime, he said.
The case was investigated by the sheriff’s office to avoid any conflicts, he said.
“Very complicated,” was how he described the investigation of the math teacher who also coached soccer.
Rookhuyzen said Keesee targeted vulnerable students who knew her husband was the on-campus officer.
“Some of the students she worked with were in a program for at-risk youth,” Rookhuyzen said, “These were young people who had come from broken homes, not doing well in school. And she was able to become buddies with them.”
(snipped, more @ link)
She sounds like a female Sandusky.
Sick Eff.
B
Seems SHS has it’s problems.
03-04-13
Sherwood High School Principal on administrative leave
http://www.oregonlive.com/sherwood/index.ssf/2013/03/sherwood_high_school_principal_1.html
04-08-13
A man who worked as principal of Sherwood High School a decade ago — but resigned after he was caught sexually abusing a 16-year-old boy –was sentenced Monday to two years in prison, this time for sexually preying on a 12-year-old boy.
Patton still faces federal charges for allegedly possessing child pornography, which police say they found on his computer.
Patton was principal of Sherwood High from summer 2000 to Jan. 1, 2003, when he resigned from his $95,000-a-year job. He was sentenced to six months in jail, a year in a halfway house and a lifetime of registering as a sex offender.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/04/former_sherwood_high_school_pr.html
A culture of sexual abuse at Sherwood?
Former Sherwood custodian, 21, goes to prison for sex crimes against students
http://www.oregonlive.com/sherwood/index.ssf/2011/07/former_sherwood_custodian_21_g.html
The Keesee’s are used to being in court, it seems. Adam Keesee is related to Denise (husband, brother?) If he is Sherwood PD, would that make him a resource officer for the HS, or are they different jobs entirely?
Cops, Shots And Shrooms
A new federal lawsuit targets police who killed a man on mushrooms.
The Washington County district attorney’s office in November 2006 cleared Sheriff’s Deputy Glenn Howard, Tualatin Police Officer John Jayne and Sherwood Police Officer Adam Keesee of wrongdoing. None of the three responded to WW’s requests by phone for comment.
That is her husband. He was dismissed as a defendant in a wrongful death suit in that case- He was employed there under 2 years when this happened.
B
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-8778-cops_shots_and_shrooms.html
@TRuth. Imo the Mayor’s Tweet should be taken at face value —
he asked an id from the public.
I infer someone told him there was this photo of an as yet unidentified male at Skyline, whether his partner (geographically distant but still Courts/press/media-connected); LE; DA Office; School official (BOEd friend);etc. My fantasy is twas the FBI Field Office head or employee fed up with Staton & tribe.
I thought when I read she bailed herself out, her husband disowned her. Not so, and if you read the comments below this article he was seen comforting her.
snip>
Sherwood police received information from DHS in October, and handed the case over to the sheriff’s office days later because Keesee’s husband is a Sherwood police officer.
Keesee’s husband worked as the school resource officer at Sherwood High School, and Rookhuyzen said that presented a challenge to investigators: Students with information about Keesee didn’t want to report it to her husband, Rookhuyzen said.
Keesee sat next to her husband in court Tuesday, her lower jaw quivering.
http://www.oregonlive.com/sherwood/index.ssf/2013/06/former_sherwood_high_school_te.html
I know this stuff isn’t funny, but I had to hide a laugh when I read this. Notice at the end where we heard of this guy before. Now, watermelons? How are you going to unload $7000 worth of watermelons? You can’t even smuggle something in them before they go bad. Juice? I don’t know. This guy is missing a key ingredient in his thinking somewhere, IMO.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Suspects-ripoff-thousands-of-pounds-of-watermelons-from-Beaverton-WinCo-212033831.html
After police reviewed security video, they identified the two suspects as Brad Taylor, 40, from Molalla (pictured right), and William “Billy” Traverso, 42, from Canby (pictured left). Anyone with information on the location of either suspects was asked to call Beaverton police at 503-629-0111.
Taylor was at one time employed delivering watermelons and was identified as the man who dropped the watermelons off at Stoller Farm. Police believe he and Traverso stole the pallets with the intent to sell them.
Back in May of 2010, Traverso was arrested by federal agents for supplying steroids to a Canby police officer. Two other men in the well-documented federal probe were also in custody in 2010 for selling stolen firearms to Traverso.
Isn’t it nice FBI is advertising a tip line for public
corruption whistleblowers in OR? (per OLive)
Not trying to make this the Keesee thread, but of possible interest.
Police officer Adam Keesee wears many hats for Sherwood schools
http://www.oregonlive.com/sherwood/index.ssf/2011/11/police_officer_adam_keesee_wea.html
IOW which of these perverts knows what happened to Kyron.
“The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office said Tuesday the new developments in their investigation stem at least in part from details gathered in the early days of the investigation”
http://www.kptv.com/story/20200850/deputies-confirm-new-developments-in-kyron-horman-case
It seems to me this could’ve been cellular data, or Terri pointing to RS, or witness descriptions of SZ.
Why, “at least” and “in part”?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-fbis-wanted-nabbed-mexico-19433225
one of fbi top ten caught (child sex exploitation).
USC prof
an argument Snowden was “typey” for hires by cos. like Intel also reminds me of an aspect of SZ’s profile–computer profiency and arrogance/sense of superiority
http://mobile.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2013/06/i_would_have_hired_nsa_whistleblower_edward_snowden.html
Maybe Staton says specifically here that the leads do not include cell phone data or emails only to make someone believe that that is the case. it is strange that he includes this bit of information when he is usually very general in his statements.
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-snip
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
The sheriff said it does not include cell phone data or emails.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/multnomah_county_sheriff_cites.html
I want to thank all of my fellow blinksters to keep these going for Kyron. Has anyone else noticed or wondered WTH is going on that there is so much sexual perversion going on in our society?? I turn on the local news, a fairly rural area, and I swear every night there is a story of one kind or an other. It is truly sickening. You know, I don’t know if there is more of it, or it’s just made more public, but am really beginning to wonder if the end of times is near….
If Blink and D know about SZ, and it isn’t too much of a reach to guess that K knows, how can DA continue to “put pressure on Terri” to tell where kyron is by continuing the separation from her daughter? It sounds like Terri and her attorneys are the only ones who don’t know about SZ.
@Rose says:
June 18, 2013 at 8:09 pm
I suppose, but why didn’t anyone (like a reporter) ask him why he felt it necessary to insert himself in a police matter? Has he inserted himself in other cases that were being handled by either PPB or MCSO? IDK, just seemed like a very strange thing for him to be doing.
Just a recap of some of the dates, posted back here, by Motherhen:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-19/
Mother Hen says:
November 11, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Just some events I am reflecting on:
June 6 – Mayor Tweets re: man in photo. Hardly consider this massively publicized.
Jne 8 – Mayor Tweets again re: man in photo. Not largely publicized.
June 22 – 12 days later another tweet by Mayor re: man in photo and moments after largely publicized WW story on man in photo. Why? He misses meetings with foreign leaders (and not just misses meetings but seemingly totally MIA) but is on the pulse of WW story regarding a man in the photo. Never heard another word and never any other comment on the Kyron case. Soon man identified internally — not relased to public.
June 26 — Failed MFH Sting. Massively publicized. Terri is the focus.
June 28 — RO. Massively publicized. Terri is the focus.
July 1 — Controlled Media by KH. Why did WW and The Oregonian pose a threat? What questioning / reporting would have been too much? What were those in attendance not allowed to report or ask?
July 14 — News of Sexting between TH and MC. Massively publicized. Terri is the focus.
MockingbirdSings says:
June 18, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Hmmmm, am I the only one who thinks they had something else in mind than just re-selling watermelons? 2007:
Police released the identity today of one of six men apprehended after $2.5 million worth of marijuana was seized in Aurora.
Fernando Velaczo-Rodriguez, 33, of Guadalajara, Mexico, is being held on a $150,000 bond in the Kane County jail. Authorities released the other five men without charges.
Police received a tip that a major drug trafficking haul would be delivered to an industrial/warehouse area in the 1500 block of Dearborn Street in Aurora. Detectives staked out the area near Farnsworth Avenue.
At 8 p.m. Tuesday, the men were apprehended as they unloaded numerous crates from a truck. Police said they seized 2,580 pounds of marijuana, which was wrapped in 144 individual packages and hidden inside watermelon crates.
(snipped, more @link)
https://prev.dailyherald.com/story/print/?id=83096
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Traverso is bad news. The dude should remain in prison.
The weird coincidences in this case just blow me away. If you click on the KGW report Mockingbird left and then look to the right there’s a little box that says “related” and then click on “crime stoppers”, low and behold it takes one to a picture of a Ford F350 that was involved in a hit and run. Why would that be related to the watermelon heist?
http://www.kgw.com/news/Suspects-ripoff-thousands-of-pounds-of-watermelons-from-Beaverton-WinCo-212033831.html
http://www.crimestoppersoforegon.com/
KATU’s report on the recent watermelon theft:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/One-in-custody-two-at-large-in-theft-of-many-many-watermelons-212206151.html
So, why watermelons? Taylor once held a job delivering watermelons, so police believe the three intended to sell them off, at a total value of about $7,000.
(snipped)
Five pallets were recovered from a storage building in Aurora, Ore. Police say Paul Stoller of Stoller Farms contacted them after Taylor dropped the watermelons off.
Winco employees picked up the recovered melons, but the stores won’t sell them.
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Are we being snowed?????? Is this really another watermelon drug bust?
Maxine’s report:
Traverso and Taylor drove to the stores in a ***white truck***, and using their own hand-held jack, hauled off 17 pallets of watermelons that were left outside in boxes for sale, police said.
(snipped)
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2013/06/former_steroid_supplier_now_ac.html
Hmmmmm, steroid sales to cops, white Ford trucks, watermelons being shipped full of drugs…..coincidence after coincidence after coincidence. Funny how each report seems to leave out certain details.
“Buelt and a Tigard detective pulled video surveillance images from the stores, which caught the thieves in action, using a white truck that had the word “Marathon” in green on it.”
Same link from Maxine’s story above. Has anyone come across “Marathon” as a business or on the side of a vehicle while digging around here?
Did they get the title of this story wrong or was this article severely edited?
From melons to drugs
Updated: Wednesday, 19 Jun 2013, 11:41 AM EDT
Published : Wednesday, 19 Jun 2013, 11:41 AM EDT
Mike Benner
BEAVERTON, Oregon (KGW) – Police in Beaverton, Oregon have identified two men who they say stole thousands of pounds of watermelons from two WinCo stores in the Portland area.
At around 4 a.m. on June 7, six pallets of watermelons that weighed almost 6,000 pounds were taken from the WinCo on Cedar Hills Boulevard, said Mike Rowe with the Beaverton Police Department.
Five of the pallets were recovered in a storage building on the Stoller Farm property in Aurora, Ore. after Paul Stoller contacted police and said a man dropped them off there.
Police also learned that around 1:40 a.m. on June 7, 11 pallets of watermelons were taken from a Tigard WinCo.
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/crime/from-melons-to-drugs
@TRuth, Mother Hen. Maybe SA was hiking the Appalachian Trial, or there are all kinds of reason to duck a foreign leader while in office, some can’t be publicized.
My fantasy is Staton didn’t publically release the unidentified man pic for public assistance because
1) he has a track record of abhoring that in this case
2) he was focused on Terri by then. No distractions.
However, SA was getting to know the new FBI Field Office head whose mandate was to get Political Portland back into the Joint Terrorism Task Force. I can imagine emblems of goodwill being exchanged between the two–no better way to bond than ask for help & receive it on a small matter. I can imagine FO Head, who was very involved in Kyron’s case the first month, saying The FBI wants to identify this man, but Staton won’t release the photo.
SA: No prob. I’ve got social media and a proven ability to attract attention. Shoot it to me.
Marathon is a truck brand produced in Calif. If the men rented a large truck capable of holding 17 pallets, the nearest place seems Penske’s at 4110 St Helens Rd.
Which brings to mind whether Staton had the presence of mind to canvas all Portland rental cos for rentals of a white truck similar to Terri’s predating & return postdating the abduction. My strong guess is he did not because he, his detectives, and the bios were so Terri/truck focused & determined publicity-wise. Tge public camp had a split with some RS-truck focused. If I’d pre-researched Kyron, I might rent a white truck like Terri’s as part of my school-visit cover.
@grasshopper. Anyone who thinks an actual trial is an
investigatory technique is an idiot or lying, imo.
wait a minute; I was wrong.
Morris Dees, Rosenthal’s lead counsel
and mentor in his old Portland case (because
Dees had to associate with a member
of Oregon Bar ,
did use investigation by trial in his
old Ku Klux Klan case(s).
Thinking of the Klan cases, Is the LE/bio theory (remembering Kaine’s quest for $350k info) that Terri was a member of some sort of criminal/commercial enterprise with deep pockets? all I can think of is child porn. that
theory would be adequate to keep Kiara under wraps where the titular mfh, as unsubstantiated as it was, is not.
Let’s hope vw is free Friday:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/06/court_hearing_set_for_friday_o.html#incart_river_default
Reminder to all that Kaine said he thought the Judge would meet with the attorneys and decide the course, or words to that effect, but never mentioned the RO hearing possibility.
It will either be the start of everything, or the last non-event for a while. No need to schedule a hearing if the matter is uncontested.
B
Blink says:
June 7, 2013 at 12:18 am
(snipped)
“If the abatement is lifted I get the sense that Houze/Bunch are ready to come out swinging.”
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Well, the RO is not and has not been under abatement so they can always come out “swinging” by contesting the RO.
Blink, in your opinion was RS truthful with the 2010 Grand Jury?
I am not privy, but I do have experience in structuring gj testimony and questioning. To the extent he was given immunity by virtue of his testimony, I do not believe he was not truthful for anything asked. It is not unfathomable that a prosecutor wants RS on record, however.
I think at some point someone made a decision to consider the mfh and Ky’s disappearance separate criminal acts and that has hurt his case, imo.
B
I thought Maxine said a one hour hearing is scheduled
and hinted that differs from previous renewals.
I believe the advanced scheduling was the point, but last years was on the docket following the filing for the renewal. I just don’t know yet what is different until it hits the file, which will be post-argument. Maxine will be there, so on this one, we wait and read.
B
After Kyron went missing and the investigation began, law enforcement officials informed me that my Wife had attempted to hire our landscaper to kill me for money. I obtained a restraining order against her to protect myself and my daughter Kiara. Respondent/Terri Horman is a substantial safety threat to me and to my family. She has manifested a desire to physically harm me and my family, and I fear she will continue to try to harm me and my family.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/06/court_hearing_set_for_friday_o.html#incart_river_default
Ya know, re-reading this again. “She has manifested *a desire* to phyysically harm me *and my family* and I fear she will continue to *try to harm me and my family*”.
What a bizzare sentence of mish-mosh.
So Terri has written somewhere (manifested, as in dreamed up and most probably shared with someone) “a desire” to physically harm Kaine. (Over his dead body?) Second part, will “continue to try”, so when did she actually TRY? I’m not trying to pick his words apart, honestly, but this is a court document. WTH does this mean? It’s so freakin’ vague I can’t believe a Judge would ever use it as basis. Also, “his family”. Why not just say Kyron? Is it possible that he is referring to someone else in his family other than Kyron? I wonder now, reading this in retro-vision, could Kaine have been referring to his brother? Just a thought.
It means Kaine did not write it, and if asked, you can bet we would be listening intently for minutes and never know wth that means.
B
Thanks, Blink.
btw, I meant to quote “come out swinging” but in error put the quotes only around “swinging”. It was so not a Freudian slip.
I don’t know about vw, but I plan to attend the hearing.
I thought that the whole point of the RO was that Kaine and KIARA were both in danger because of the mfh plot.
from Maxine’s article: In Kaine Horman’s past petitions, his lawyer has included the same two-paragraph statement signed by Kaine Horman:
PAST petition. wonder if this means something new is being presented, or if M just wants the opportunity to regurgitate the spin against Terri.
Well then grasshopper I hope you will have an opportunity to report for BOC when you return!
I did notice Maxine has changed the wording from the usual spin about TMH being the last person to be seen with Kyron- has anyone else?
I wonder if behind the scenes Houze has asked for retractions as to that verbiage in preparation for what I know will be a part of any court proceeding going forward should they be removed from abatement in a few weeks?
B
@TRuth. In my extremely limited and ancient experience (sitting for a brief time watching line level
ADA equivalents draft similar, straining to create causes of action) that language is not the language of a civil trial attorney trained to be very precise in pleadings. Rather imo it is the drafting product of a newish line level ADA trying to shoehorn a case into court for a first hearing–to open the door, thereafter relying on a Judge who trusts the prosecution. Therefore my best guess is it was drafted originally by that line level ADA assigned to Kyron’s case until she recently left that job for a political one in the OR Exec Branch. Then faxed or messengered over to Rackner. Twill be nice to have Rackner deposed in the criminal case. I like transparency.
Imo the 1 hour hearing is so Bunch can stand up for the record and say (like last year) your honor this is hearsay, not fact, then J Kantor will renew the uncontested RO. If it was to be contested, that word would’ve gotten out awhile ago. She can’t contest when the civil cases may go to trial in Aug, tho imo he’ll renew the abatements too. Imo everyone’s happy with the status quo except Terri, and her hands are tied. I predict a nonevent, except more Warrior fodder.