Jodi Arias Trial: In Her Own Words.. How I Killed Travis Alexander With HIS Gun and HIS Knife
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Phoenix, Arizona- In today’s highly anticipated morning testimony, Jodi Arias finally “gets there”.
After weeks of what can only be described as the dog ate my defense testimony led by Kirk Nurmi, Jodi Arias explains the events leading up to and during the murder of Travis Alexander.
Arias describes an irate and menacing Travis who bounds from the shower, causing her to drop his new camera and pouncing on her, knocking her to the wet tile floor.
“ A five year old can hold a camera better than you.” Arias stated Alexander screamed at her among other threatening expletives while she struggled to break free.
She then ran to the master bedroom closet and apparently using the Spiderman techniques she absorbed via osmosis from the alleged Valentines gift, retrieved a gun she claimed Travis owned over two feet out of her reach while he was sprinting behind her.
She pointed the gun at him, did not realize it went off and then Travis, still coming at her, stumbles to his knees on the now bloody tile beneath him. ( Editors Note: As I have always said, I believe the order of this injury is true and is important to the charges against her)
Enter gratuitous memory gap.
“I have no memory of stabbing him.” – Jodi Arias
Although Arias admits to having flash backs, she states she cannot remember any other details with the exception of her crouched in the bathroom covered in blood and drops a knife she believes was upstairs used by Travis to cut ropes he used to tie her up to the bed.
She did however, have the presence of mind to grab the ropes, the gun, apparently removes and loses her shoes and has no idea what happened to the knife she used to stab Alexander 29 times and slit his neck from ear to ear.
Next memory she is driving in the desert with the gun she alleges was Travis’s when she pitches it out the window at a random location, then puts the ropes in a dumpster behind a gas station and washes blood off her hands.
Pause for Arias innocuous driving babble and road scenery.
“Why didn’t you call 911 and tell them what happened?” Kirk Nurmi asks his sniffling but tearless client.
” …He attacked you, why did you feel You messed up pretty badly?”
“This time it was different, he had done it before and nothing happened, it was heightened.” Responded Arias.
While approaching a check point in Utah, she feels like she will be apprehended there.
Arias decided to do a “whole bunch of things” to cover up she was ever there.
So .. “I called his phone to leave a voice mail”. For nearly 16 minutes she says she tried numerous times to leave a cheery voice mail to ask as if she was not present in Alexander’s home.
“I just thought they would be listening to his voice mail, so I just thought it would throw the scent off for a while.”
– Jodi Arias
Yes, she actually said that on the stand. Defense Attorney Kirk Nurmi was observed writing a note to co-counsel Jennifer Wilmott to send an assistant out to Sam’s for an industrial size supply of Tums.
I made that part up. Testimony continues following jury lunch break.
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re: “Blink you said:
I find her in desperate need of validation in every way, at every turn- thought so in her interview with Flores.
I wonder if that is coming off as narcissistic?”
imo that’s the “as if” borderline persona
as far as ocd, if so, didn’t interfere with activities of daily life
(ie LaV’s “ability to hold jobs” conclusions), so likely not something she’d seek treatment for
INTERESTING.
Is ALV biased toward beleiving Arias because she is using Arias as an example for the larger issues she is concerned about?
here is the schedule for Alyce LaViolette’s speaking engagements. Note the topics, and dates.
http://www.alycelaviolette.com/Speaking-Schedule.htm
Malty, I get such a kick out of you..you say so much in very few words. Ms. Lav’s testimony style reminds me of Jodi’s when she was on the stand. Petulant, argumentative..I think Ms. Wilmott has turned out to be Jodi’s (in her mind) best friend. Geeeeeze….Pray for that jury.
The problem is Ms LaV still doesnt know she’s not an expert and will continue to profit irregardless of performance because there are desperate defendant women out there. Most with a better defense. And probably even in an socially isolated, residential DV situation. Imo professionally she should not have contracted to shoehorn a long distance on off dating relationship into DV in the first place. Yes, the main issue in this trial is prep, at the time she embarked on her evaluation more than now, but she is still too full of herself to learn imo. Were I going to be a defense witness, I’d do training workshops, attorney workshops, hire professional supervision, & most of all screen my clients.
Major expert error no. 1: those stream of consciousness interview notes. Ye gads, how sloppy; but imo these neophyte attorneys had no idea an “expert” would do that. How could they know to counsel against stupidity?
Imo after enough interviews without notes, and imo perhaps contracting out to a PhD some psychological tests, she’d know her outline of testimony & could jot down a handful of supporting examples. I do think it unprofessional not to do parent interviews fwtw.
More technical information
The little Ford Focus actually has a 12.4 gal. gas tank. The specifications from Edmunds indicates the city mileage at 322 and highway at 436. The terrain that Jodi drove is not flat so I am picking 30 mpg for an average for a total range of 372 miles. The engine is a 4 cylinder fuel injected and is coupled to a five speed manual or a six speed automatic.
The autopsy report on page 3 lists two minor stab wounds to the neck and two major wounds. It appears as if Jodi tried to get started with the neck in an area that was difficult and finally pulled his head back with his hair and completed the attack.
LOL
Still reading Blink – just busy
But To answer your enquiry
Curly Jefferson refused….
so what can I say other than-
Heres a picture of some Baileys– about as close as you can get without your eyeballs getting wet:
There’s no link! Tease I say, Tease!
B
inquiry duh
Sorry Old Gregg always throws me off with the whole blinding crazy downstairs mix up
Im sure you understand
Wait… i think I need JAs grammar fixing low self esteem Einstein like Help is it inquiry or enquiry?
thanks for the laugh blink G’Night
Blink, as an untrained individual that is trying to learn, I have a question. In the shower photos that show a deceased Travis, his mouth appears to be closed and covered in dried blood but in an autopsy photo, that I have never seen before today, it shows his mouth fully opened with teeth completely exposed. His facial expression (especially with his mouth opened that way)he looks like he is in complete agony. My question is was his mouth actually opened in the shower pic and we just couldn’t see it because of all the dried blood or did they open his mouth like that during the autopsy? And in this autopsy photo his right nipple appears to be nearly cut off, do you think that was intentional? I can include pic if I need to.
Excellent Question N. Cahela, and I am sure others wondered the same thing.
1. Travis’ facial expression is a result of various stages of decomposition coupled with an anti-mortem injury to his orbital bone, left maxilla, and possible skin slippage to posterior neck region ( this is also from decomp process). It is not known and never will be known whether the gsw resulted in any sort of facial paralysis uni or bilaterally – but that would likely not be evident once he was deceased and the disarticulation of the jaw (unless his position held it in place for whatever reason) sets in.
I would need the pics you are looking at, but I suspect if they are ones I have already seen, one was taken prior to the washing off his body and extremeties after initial external exam. I will look for your response with links, or if anyone else has them and wishes to post them I would simply ask that you make the first line ** GRAPHIC WARNING **.
B
Arias said she came out of the fog just before the checkpoint at Hoover dam, when she looked down and said her hands were covered with blood,and she then cleaned herself with the bottles of water from costco.
If there was blood on her hands- or clothes, why isn’t that reflected with more blood elsewhere in the house- on the stairs she walked down, the path she took to leave, the doorknobs or window frame she used to exit?
Why didn’t she say there was blood in her hair? How could that have been avoided in such a blood bath? Was she the one wearing the masks she says the intruders wore?
If there is no apparent trail of blood marking her exit from that house, can that explode her claim that she came out of the fog when she looked down and saw blood?
Or is this just a rabbit hole not worth the trip down….
I missed a lot of testimony today, but have been scanning sites -so just a quick question:
I read that Arias told ALV that the injury to her hand was from cutting apples, why did she tell her that?
So many things before and after the crime point to premeditation, but I don’t get how someone who is obviously intelligent, allegedly thought this thing out down to the gas cans — didn’t think about something so obvious as taking the one shell casing on their way out? Enough time alone in the house to be running a load of laundry..but not a walk through to maybe smudge off your big palm print on the wall or clorex the sink, floor and walls to at least confuse the blood splatter enough that the sequence of events would be very unclear. and leaving that camera behind was about the stupidest murder F**k-up i’ve ever hear of. maybe it was premeditated, but doing the actual deed might have freaked her out enough to overlook so much or maybe she heard and thought someone was coming home, causing her flee the scene before she was ready??? i guess its like the anthony case, with these damn tiflon liars we’ll never really know…
Good morning Blink! and Blinksters. Dr. Samuel & Ms. LaViolette are too biased and thus not credible in my eyes.
Yes or No mam? Did i ask you that? Yes or No! I didn ‘t ask you that! Yes or No?
Those words are begining to stuck in my head
Dreaming:
J.M.: isn ‘t it the truth mam that you ate a ham sandwich in the fall of 2000 and eight and you left some crumble on the table?
Me: well i don ‘t remember if i ate a ham sandwich in this time frame but to tell the truth i don’t like ham so much so i
JM. : Yes or No Mam? Did i ask you If you like Ham! I didn’ t! Yes or No?
Me : i don’t remember mr. Martinez i would
J.M: Do you have some trouble with your memory? Yes or No! Did i ask you If you remember? Did i ask you that??? I didn ‘t ask you that! Yes or No? Isnt’ it the truth that you sister said she saw those crumble on the table then?
OBJECTION HEARSAY
SUSTAINED REFRAISE
wake me up i have a nightmare! Just joking:-) i like mr. Martinez but i would not want to have him as an enemy
Sorry typo : rephrase
Understood. But enough about me, let’s talk about you already.
What Do YOU think about me?
Best. Line. Ever.
B
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YOU are the wind beneath “our” wings. 8)
LOL, I am right. Knew that.
ps. you know I am totally teasing and proving a point at how obnoxious someone who is a narcissist or demonstrates those traits is.
B
Part 2 of the nightmare! Blink you did not wake me up…
Sustained rephrase the question
J.M: Do you like ham?
Me: what? I
J.M.: objection your Honor she is not answering my question.This was a Yes or No question!
Judge: you may answer the question please.
Me: What was the question?
Now i am awake and serious. Forgive me my joke please. I know this trial is a serious matter and i hope with all my heart justice will be done.
@ Loni
My big laugh was Jodi cut her hand cutting apples
whodunit says: I read that Arias told ALV that the injury to her hand was from cutting apples, why did she tell her that?
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Because snow white ate the poison apple….
Lawdy.
B
Blink has said in the past (..correct me if I am wrong..I can’t find the link), that there are hesitation marks on Travis’ neck. I wonder if those were on the left side and thus the knife wound began on the left side?
Yep, anteriomedial left neck.
B
Yesterday Laviolette testified that she continued to talk and gather information AFTER she had reached her decision. That makes no sense to me unless she was just trying to pad her paycheck.
Also saw a pic posted on facebook of her having lunch with the defense attorney. Is that wrong/unethical in any way? Misconduct on the part of the defense? What if a juror saw them socializing?
@ Loni those questions are stuck in my head too. Am I asking you that? Is that what I asked you? I’m not asking you that. lol.
Oh and I think I saw somewhere that Laviolette was originally supposed to be for the mitigation phase. Totally could be wrong about that but…did that or could that have changed because of the disaster of Dr. Samuels? Can a witness be called at anytime because they are on the witness list, regardless of what phase they are a witness for?
It is my understanding that in Arizona, unlike some other states, on cross examination the prosecution is allowed to expand the line of questioning further than the questions asked on direct.
But on re- direct, the defense is limited to only asking questions opened on cross.
So as wearing as it seems, when Martinez sates ” I didn’t ask you that”, he is making sure that the dfense will not be able to address what the witness inserted when responding to the question that Martinez actually asked. It is a good technique, if this is the case. I also think that it allows the jury to see when a witness is trying to get their own point across as opposed to just answering the questions.
I think one of the most damning moments for the defense yesterday was when ALV told Martinez ” if you were in my group, I would ask you to take a time out”, and was admonished by the judge.
I think Martinez is making it clear that ALV ‘s apporach to assesment is more in accordance with being a counsellor who is focused on addressing domestic violence therapeutically. In her practice, she works with people who have already admitted to being batterers, or have already been proven to be abused. In those circumstances, an apology upon meeting an offender or an abused woman would indeed be a good way to begin the rapport to form the bond that is neccessary if therapy is to be effective.
But in this case, she claims that she was only there to determine if domestic abuse existed. Forensic psychology is a specific field, and that is not her field.
She has approached Arias more like a therapist would approach a patient. A therapist’s work is based on what the client/patient tells them, A therapist looks at how the client/patient’s perception of others behaviopr affects the client/patient, and this is in line with ALV’s approach. A forensic would have without fail looked everywhere for corroboration, and would have used tests for veracity and possible personality disorders.
In family court, when a couple is pursuing custody, they are duty bound to provide the forensic psychologist with a list of people who can corroborate their claims. A forensic works as ” the eyes and ears of the court” and simply reports the findings. In a custody dispute, a plaintiff or defendant may bring on their own forensic to dispute the original findings . I really would like to know in what capacity ALV has functioned in the numerous custody cases she cites on her CV.
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In considering why there was a switch from using ALV for mitigation, to inserting her into the trial now,
Blink says:
She was well prepared to be that sort of witness, so who made the call to change her status?
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I believe that the decision to bring ALV in now, as opposed to in the mitigation phase as originally intended ,is because Samuels testimony was ultimately not persuasive enough to drive home the needed element of PTSD.
yesterday ALV told Martinez if he were in her group she would tell him to take a time out. Actaully, ALV was referring to a specific technique she uses in counseling.
I have copied and pasted the details of what ALV’s ” TIME OUT EXCERCISE”., from her own website:
Time Out Exercise – Anger Paradigm
Alyce LaViolette, 1995
http://www.AlyceLaViolette.com
(More Angry)
Event/Situation -> Perception -> Arousal -> Reaction —>
(How you saw it) (Body signals) (Less Angry)
Does your stomach churn or get in a knot, do your shoulders tighten, does your heart beat faster, do you feel hot, does your face burn, does your jaw clench?
When you recognize your signal (fuse), you can leave the situation physically and/or mentally.
If the energy is big, leave and do a non-aggressive physical cool down (e.g. active walking, jogging, lifting weights, isometrics, dancing, shooting baskets, riding a bike).
As you cool down physically, begin a cognitive cool down. Practice thinking differently. Practice positive self talk. You might say, “I don’t want to hurt or scare anybody. I want to solve a problem.” Or “I want to cool off.” I don’t want to feel bad about when I do – I don’t want to feel guilty. I want to handle things better.”
Go back to your perception (how you see it) and look at alternate ways of seeing the situation. This is a good time to empathize and not to blame.
Work on problem solving – doesn’t have to mean confrontation. Remember, anything you want to get good at, you have to work on improving. Practice, practice and practice. You will develop a new way of thinking.
Go back to person (if you still feel you need to) and work on solution.
I don’t think it behooved her to say that to him yesterday, but her advice is excellent.
B
Hello All- Please tell me what we still have remaining in this case? ALV will have to answer juror questions and then defense will get to patch things up with her and then what?
Someone asked about Jodi’s possible psych condition. I think she has borderline personality disorder I was diagnosed with that about 30 years ago(It takes one to know one-also I was in the medical field for several years.) (I’m not an expert witness,so don’t go calling me-haha Some people say I’m psycho and some people say I’m psychic) For what it’s worth after listening to the opening arguments and evidence I would have voted for 1st degree murder-life in prison. No matter how much people ridiculed the shrink(Samuels), after listening to him and from my own research and personal experience, I know there is a lot of truth in what he says- I would have voted for 2nd degree murder after that. Probably still would but Alyce LaViolette hit a triple(almost a homerun) last week. On Monday it was back to Juan Martinez being in control and trying to stomp on her He regained a lot of ground but yesterday wasn’t good for either one Alyce looked’foggy’ and Juan was back to bullying so I think Alyce got back some of the lost ground I don’t think I’m going to watch much today-makes me nervous.The self-defense theory had zero credibility with me until the DV expert was on stand Now I am starting to have some doubt-don’t know if it’s reasonable or not- Also, I think she stole the gun and filled the gas cans in California because she was planning on killing herself in the desert somewhere and didn’t want her parents to find her. Juan made one mistake yesterday-pointing out that she told Darryl she was going to Mesa If she was planning to kill Travis why would she tell anyone she was going to see him By the way this is an excellent blog-very thought-provoking and funny
whodunnit says:
April 10, 2013 at 10:16 am
I believe that the decision to bring ALV in now, as opposed to in the mitigation phase as originally intended ,is because Samuels testimony was ultimately not persuasive enough to drive home the needed element of PTSD.
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You said this so much better than I did. Wish I could articulate my thoughts as well as the other posters here.
Well, FINALLY, state begins questioning as to stalking as door was indeed opened by defense not objecting to question:” didn’t Mimi say Travis had told her about a former girlfriend stalking him?” Defense objected but Judge allowed it in ( per the you tube video, Crime Time ..link provided by another blinkposter..hat tip).
Futher,defense expert has it listed under most aggressive category.
My take, does not matter whether AV hedges on answering prosecutor’s questions on stalking, the prosecutor has finally brought issue back to JA’s dangerous behavior and using defense’s own expert testimony to refocus and reframe her own chart as it relates to defendant’s behavior.
Sweet Jesus, took long enough.
The link to Crime Time you tube video is discussion between journalist and former prosecutor for 13 yrs. who graduated from Brigham Young at 19, meaning she is or at least was a Morman and Pepperdine Law School.
The Morman thing is interesting cause it is a religion that has tenents unlike any other.
whodunnit says:
April 10, 2013 at 10:16 am
So as wearing as it seems, when Martinez sates ” I didn’t ask you that”, he is making sure that the defense will not be able to address what the witness inserted when responding to the question that Martinez actually asked.
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Great point…Your post always make me think, thanks so much.
I want to jump through the TV and grab Ms. L by the throat. The judge is even trying to reason with her that the Defense can help her make her point later. She is treating this as if they are having a conversation all be it heated. It is JM’s job to ask a question and hers to answer the question and not debate the question….and debate the question and say things are shades of gray…the jury does not want to hear shades of gray (though they certainly have hehe) they want an answer. I hope there are a whole lot of questions by the Jury saying “Ms. Laviolette can you ever answer a question yes or no? Please answer this yes or no only.”
regarding Alv’s admontion to Matrtinez that she would recommend he take a time out, and referring to the details of what a ” time Out” means to ALV:
Blink writes:
I don’t think it behooved her to say that to him yesterday, but her advice is excellent.
B
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Agreed, the use of the ” time out exercise: used by AlV in her practice has theraputical value in theory.
However, in this death penalty case, she is not there to offer opinions of the prosecutor’s psychological motivations and needs, and cannot do so without examining him. This again shows her general approach ( she is a counsellor , not a forensic). ALV is showing that she considers her judgement to be above the court’s, and above Martinez.
If the Judge deemed her comment to be appropriate or admissible, the judge would not have corrected. ALV and told the jury to disregard.
Martinez is ( truly) fighting to make the point that ALV does not take into consideration the entirety of picture when making assessments.
. Martinez style of prosecution is his choice, and she does not know, cannot know, if he is aggressive because he is out of control and in danger of doing harm ( the purpose of doing a time out excercise as per ALV), or if that is simply his tactic.
ALV’s judgement of Martinez psychological state is another example of how LaViolette is skewing all judgement toward her own opinion, without corroboration, with out considering or having full knowledge of both sides of the picture.
Nana says:I certainly would appreciate any and all prayers for my health. My immune system is shot. Third virus in 2 1/2 months and it’s wearing me down.
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I’m sorry you’re not feeling well… I went through four years of misdiagnosis and my immune system took a severe beating. I finally resorted to a naturopath who within five months had my issues diagnosed and I’m on my way to going from half dead to feeling alive again.
You have my prayers dear Nana. Get your rest, be gentle with yourself, and if you’re able see a naturopath for total body healing. A good one can offer immune boosting nutrient IV’s.
ALV is most comfortable when she is in charge. She cannot be in this instance. Therefore she fights JM by adding all the comments during her answer.
Anyone looking for the whole truth is going to try and find information from as many sources as can be found. This is the real flaw in ALV’s approach. She does not have the training to question data as to its accuracy and that would include some assessment of persons during an interview. She is way out of her depth as an expert in this arena. This is turning out to be another poor choice by the defense.
Today JM is going after the concept of Jodi being a stalker and is making some very valid points.
Ok so if Laviolette cannot believe that Jodi stalked Travis because he did not act like he was being stalked by her, than likewise how can she believe that Jodi is a victim of domestic violence when she did not act like a victim.
It is obvious that she really is only looking at what would help Jodi and ignoring anything and everything else.
I think the jury questions will be very telling.
@ATG, I recall your post awhile ago regarding mileage etc. between the locations Jodi travelled. Your recent post mentions the number of gallons and the mileage per gallon for the vehicle. I think we also need to know where her last gas stop was prior to entering into AZ. I do not know if this came out in testimony and/or is part of the evidence. A full tank plus 15 gallons from the gas cans would get her 810 miles based on the 30 mpg. But…there is no record of her getting gas in AZ.
I am being a bit obsessive , because I posted this link back when Arias was testifying about the spiderman underwear- at that time I posted a youtube link to Diaz dancing in… spiderman underwear. Arias said referenced a movie starring Will Ferrel when she posted the comment on Danny’s face page ” are those man boobs or have you been working out”, Ryna sais they watched a movie when she came to SLC the day after the murder- my point is that it is reasonable to assume that both Travis and Arias, being in the demographic that made Charlie’s Angels a huge hit, would have been aware of the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV3-1TsnoIc
** GRAPHIC WARNING **
VERY GRAPHIC IMAGES, includes Crime Scene Photos, Autopsy Photos and Nude Photos of both Travis and Jodi.
Blink, here is the link to my previous post. The picture I was referring to is the third one down and the deceased shower photos are about half way down. There were a couple of other pics shown here that I hadn’t seen before as well. Thanks for your response.
http://jessicaknight82.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/photos-from-the-travis-alexander-murder-trial-warning-very-graphic/
GRAPHIC WARNING GRAPHIC WARNING POTENTIALLY OBJECTIONAL MATERIAL
The question regarding the wound nearest right nipple of the decedent:
This wound is seriously effected by midstage decomp. The black outer edges would make it impossible to approximate that and other wound edges as they relate to any sort of analysis of their infliction, from my perspective. But in a general sense, I can say with certainty the goal of the offender could not be shown to be removing the nipple in some sort of signature or ritual if that is what you are asking.
B
Seems I missed reading several posts. I think I am caught up now.
Nana, prayers to you. Hope you feel better real soon.
Something just came up- Martinez asked ALV if the alleged incidence in Oct. 2007, of Travis grabbing Arias by the shudders and throwing her down- martinez asked if this took plce at Travis’s house or Arias. ALV said she didnt know
I personally have not heard any testimony that Travis had assignations with Arias at her place. Is this relevant as far as showing who is pursuing whom?
To my knowledge that occurred at Travis home and ended up with him banging his head on the door upstairs.
B
I just have to say, after watching JM cross-examine ALV the last few days, I kind of had to laugh as I thought back to her earlier sentiments the 1st day she came to the stand to testify about her “hoping I still have a job when I get back”. If ALV ever was a true expert, I’m not sure some would still consider her as such after being so unprepared for JM’s cross of her. I believe he’s basically dismantled most of what she has testified to and has shown her to be quite biased in regard to TA. Wondering how all this is setting with the jury.
Agreed, although I don’t know how much of that is her own doing. The defense bears the responsibility of her prep, but she bears the responsibility of her understanding of the expectation.
I will say it again, strong mitigation witness, important professional in the commitment to abuse education and prevention/treatment, and I stand by that- but there is no excuse for not reconciling her “view” and Travis’s ultimate barbaric fate. She could not testify in a custody dispute as an expert without collaterralls- why would she think this was not a much more significant bar?
B
Pam
If I am correct, the last place Jodi stopped for gas is in Pasadena, Ca. and that is from the receipts. It would not be any surprise to me to make the discovery that she stopped somewhere near Indio,Ca. and refilled the tank paying with cash. She did not want to have any indication of being in Arizona. This to me is a great big flag of premeditation. It also points to stalking.
The little Ford Focus has many options regarding engines, transmissions and interior appointments. One version is designed to be a real sports type vehicle. It has a top speed of 145 Mph. The basic running gear and gas tank have not changed over its production. It actually has three major versions over its life cycle. Each time a major version change was made, the gas mileage was increased by changing the computer controlled combustion parameters, the transmissions and the drive gear ratios. This is not found from the Ford information on the internet. It was found by going to the Edmunds site and looking at the complete specifications.
Because of the date the vehicle was rented, Jodi would have been driving a version two vehicle.
The next receipts found for gas were in Utah near Salt Lake City. She would have been very close to empty as most of the route North from Phoenix is in the mountains. My earlier post was based on a 14 gal. tank and less mileage. That would make it very difficult to make it to Salt Lake City unless additional gas was purchased soon after crossing into Utah. This gas could also have been purchased with cash and not a credit or debit card.
My route for Jodi is not driving NW towards Kingman,Az.and Vegas as she told in her tale of waking up from the so called fog, but North to Flagstaff. Since we cannot depend on Jodi to tell the truth, either route is possible.
Questions I would like to ask ALV:
when looking at patterns, did you notice that in every relationship Jodi has had, with the exception of Darryl Brewer (from what we know anyway), the other party has “cheated” on her at some point of the relationship?
Wouldn’t it seem as though the problem may actually be Jodi?
Could it be possible that her behavior in her relationships tend to drive her partners to seek other people?
Could it be possible that she is controlling, obsessive, and abusive and therefore causes the problems in her failed relationships?
Isn’t it unlikely that a person would be cheated on in every relationship they’ve had?
Isn’t it conceivable that someone who has a pattern of having trouble “letting go” as you described JA, would escalate within that pattern to the point that they refuse to let go to the point they murder that person because they simply refuse to accept the rejection?
I am over this woman…it wouldn’t matter what evidence you show her that proves JA’s lies or obsessive stalkerish behavior..a picture of her lurking in a window..she will still defend JA and blame someone else..it’s never ever JA’s fault..she will never even consider JA is anything less than perfect…
I feel as though we have sat through another 9 days of JA actually being the person on the stand wearing a Frumpy Granny suit….it’s like de ja vu!
Yesterday was the first I had ever heard the apple injury scenario and I found it interesting that the star expert witness was under the impression JA knowingly pulled the trigger and did so in the CLOSET!! WTAF!?!
JA brutally slaughters TA take 6.2..quiet on the set…rolling….and ACTION!
You would be toast if you tried that approach Twitch, ALV would eat your lunch on the “it was Jodi’s fault her men cheated on her”.
I do think there is something with women who pick mates that exhibit certain personality traits that are common for “cheaters”- and I do subscribe that some women/men can fulfill their own ant-trust prophecy. I know a woman whose husband accused her relentlessly of cheating on him with a co-worker who was also married- to the point it became physically abusive. One day she came to work just before she needed to travel with a cut lip and facial bruising and told everyone she had been in a car accident. She asked if the company cold send someone in her place as a result ( I found out later that her husband had thrown her purse out of the car on the highway with her ID and corporate cards so she could not travel and did not want to get fired for the already incurred travel expenses) I had no reason to suspect this woman had any issues at home, and the male co-worker was actually pretty antagonistic of this woman in meetings, etc, so I never did get where the allegation was coming from, until we learned the husband’s first wife carried on an affair and left him for this man. ( yes, he brought his baggage, lol).
Eventually, the husband kept up this behavior and eventually got the woman fired by going to the CEO and expressing his unfounded allegation. I was told in confidence that although nobody believed it, they were concerned this was a serious domestic timebomb they wanted no part of.
I read the husband was arrested days later for assault against her. Through the office grapevine I heard the husband had done such a masterful job convincing all the family and friends this woman had been cheating so he was justified in all his behaviors, this woman had no job, a broken home, a family that had no reason to believe her husband had been abusing her for months because she never told a soul and quite the opposite because she was mortified.
I mention this example because even though just tangenitally- I saw how insidious an abuser can be, and to this day I do not believe the woman was having any sort of romantic relationship with the male co-worker- but in the husband’s mind she was, and was therefore cheating.
B
Well today is pretty interesting
I wonder sometimes if Jodi and Travis enjoyed both sex and fighting
And were a even match until she flipped with a gun and knife
And he was defenseless
I wish to thank everyone who takes the time to post on BOC. I have learned a lot from everyone’s input.
My questions are as follows:
1. After the defense is through questioning ALV, do they then have her answer jury questions?
2. After ALV answers the jury’s questions, is she then questioned again by defense and/or prosecution?
3. Once ALV is done testifying once and for all, does the prosecutor put on some more witnesses?
4. When do they do mitigation phase..before or after closing?
5. Blink…how much longer do you estimate this might go on before going to jury?
Basically, I am totally unfamiliar with Arizona trial procedures, so anything anyone can offer by way of information/insight, would be much appreciated..
thank you
@ATG, That is what I remember too, ie Pasadena and then Salt Lake City as to her gas purchases. Totally agree with you that not wanting any indication of being in AZ is beg red flag of premeditation. Your info on the car is very detailed as well as the mileage, routes etc. Love your wealth of knowledge.
I came up with 810 miles using the size of the tank and the 15 extra gallons she had with her, and your est. of mpg at 30. Except I thought the car had a 12 gallon tank.
You are right that she could not have gotten to SLC. So if there is not another stop for gas either after Pasadena (closer to AZ line) or before SLC than the gas cans do not prove premeditation.
We cannot depend on anything Jodi says lol. We know that, but the defense experts totally believe her.
Interesting that Juan brought in the fact that Cameron Diaz wore spideys in a movie and that Travis liked Cameron Diaz.
Is it just me or does anyone else think Lisa D. (ex-girl friend) resembles Diaz not only in looks but mannerisms?!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2iLhVZU_0w
I dont think she does remotely, but he could have been a fan of the drawers no less, agreed.
B
It isn’t hard for me to make a cognitive leap that maybe, just maybe, one of Travis’ fantasies could have involved Diaz and/or Lisa D while he was engaging with Jodi.
heres a link to the episode of mighty boosh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqq6Iy_eWwM
Sorry it took me so long Blink Kids were home from school
please dont feel like you have to respond-
I just didnt want to leave you hanging
Thanks again for discussing this with me Blink
REMom3.0 says:
April 7, 2013 at 2:43 am
You snipped:
Without a videotape of the crime, nobody can ever be exact, but I maintain that blood evidence, it’s patterns and “info” with proper analysis can come pretty close, and in this case I believe their is a wealth of data that can outline the origin of it’s source and associated information to tell this story with a reasonable degree of certainty, if not overall certainty from a qualified expert.
I agree without video, nooone can say 100%-
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Yes it is true that an experts sometimes can “walk thru” a crime scene-
But that expert is only as good as the evidence at the crime scene-
In this case all blood is compromised
Again Blink we know Jodi was bleeding at the crime scene we know she went thru the scene to cleanup
So therefore ANY of her blood left at the scene- whether mixed with Travis’ or not IS compromised by this factor alone-
It is also further weakened by the water or swiping-
That is the problem
I agree one could analyze each area of blood to know whose was whose and comeup with a POSSIBLE map to the where and whens of this killing- BUT it would be subjective as it all could have been left as Arias cleaned the scene not in the attack testing it- typing it could never tell us absolutes on the chronology of time or of wounding-
Also you yourself have stated – if this was done it may be twisted to bolster the claim of Arias selfdefense- so why take that chance?
Based on TAs injuries and JAs LACK of injuries alone it is VERY reasonable for the jury to conclude that all blood except that print is Travis-
so why would the State “open the door” to any other possible inference?
Again regardless of testing it would still be subjective and by doing so would take up more time, more money, and risk losing the jury thru very long detailed DNA/blood evidence
Why do this when a lay person can look at the scene take into account Travis’ injuries and Jas lack of injuries and REASONABLY conclude that the evidence supports a viscous attack by JA inorder to kill him and does not support JAS self defense claims
Is there a risk without presenting the testing of this evidence or a computer mock up etc that the jury may reasonably conclude that some of the blood was Arias’ and that it goes to prove her self defense claims?
yes but given her outlandish explanations of what occurred that day and her many different accounts even to her own team, I would think this risk is minimal-
Blink I truly understand your reasoning and I agree you are trained &can look and see things others can not- and I agree a computer analysis could work just as you said-
perhaps it never was an option for the State- agreed perhaps the groundwork was never done at the scene-
we dont know but regardless- IMO the fact that the prosecution hasnt went so far in their presentation does not detract from the evidence that IS available-
is their a chance that a juror will conclude differently? sure- but if that is all they are using to acquit Arias then IMO they are not weighing the totality of the evidence properly
I wrote
There was copious amounts of blood at the scene and we can reasonably infer that all but the handprint was travis’ NOT hers-
why because she was virtually unscathed-
You responded:
That is absolutely not correct. You don’t know what latents were gleaned from that scene, nor do I. You don’t know if during an evidentiary hearing 50 prints of Arias’s were suppressed or excluded from submission because they could not be authenticated to occur on June 4th and the only that could was the mixed blood left side palm. You don’t know how many prints were Travis’s, where they were located or what can be inferred or concluded by them. None of us do. In fact, the only thing I can really do is in a general way tell where the processing powder voids are outside of what was presented in court.
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I agree Noone knows how many prints were at the scene- but even if there were hundreds it can be argued that most occurred before that day- I
If bloody prints or mixed Again She admits to killing him she admitted to being “cut on her hand” at the time of the killing(although by intruderwoman) she admitted to cleaning the scene — so any blood of hers can be explained away as transfer while cleaning-
You wrote:
She may have been wearing gloves and received that cut cleaning up, pulling the knife out of his chest after some time passed, or when she broke a glass ( she says) when she went downstairs to wash her hands ( again, not introduced, but taken into evidence).
Exactly Blink
You::
My point is that the wound blood is evidence and could, if appropriately processed, could PROVE aspects of the State’s case if conclusions can be drawn from it, and I promise you if her blood is in places besides that print, and they know it, it is part of a story.
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Yes all these scenarios could be the truth- but so could many others- and analyzing the blood can not get us closer to any one conclusion or scenario as again we cant say at what point whether in the attack or afterwards that the blood hers or his ended up on a particular spot or area- other than the aspirated blood (which is not 100% either )
You:
Either way, I see blood patterns that were not diluted, and imo, depending on who they belong to, tell a piece of the story, period. As I ultimately believe it could strenghten the state’s case, the only reason I can come up with for not including it is that they flat out did not due that onscene diligence ( wouldn’t need to as I have seen the macros- it is enough coupled with the tech and testing to elicit expert testimony, way enough.) or they believe it opens the door for confirmation of an interpretable struggle that concerns the state the jury could find Arias acted in self defense over their theory.
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All these again are possible conclusions Blink I agree patterns can give us a part of the story
And yes I agree it may open the door so why take that chance? Also i agree the work may never have been done-
Regardless without this testing the blood evidence does tell a story loud and clear IMO it is that TA was brutally attacked by JA and JA accidentally cut herself during this attack- and she attempted to clean the scene
Blink, we both agree most blood evidence is located below waist level youre correct I cant say 100% positive that Travis was crawling at one point- but IMO it is REASONABLE for me to infer that he was as he couldnt have remained standing through the entire attack and since the blood shows movement from the hall to the bathroom or vice versa and JA herself in one account has him trying to flee but cant stand so hes on his knees I can reasonably conclude that at least during some portion of the attack Travis tried to crawl away – ofcourse I could be wrong- but that is my reasonable inference
-You wrote
Crime scene interpretation is not that simple, when building the theory of the victim/suspect interaction- You are making an assumption on what you think you see, and I understand that, but in no way is that how we can arrive as a conclusion that means the suspect has no remorse- just a few variables I will throw out to demonstrate my point:
1. Suspect may have simply ran out of time, was interrupted at the scene.
2. Suspect was staging the scene for another purpose or to redirect outcome.
3. Suspect believed that putting him in the shower was a demonstration of remorse (requires victimology and offender profile)
4. Suspect deleting his nude pictures was a sign of remorse.
5. Suspect keeping dog out of area was a sign of remorse.
See what I mean?
I do see what you mean Blink and I agree with this but all the things i mentioned can be seen as indications of no remorse as well as her actions and lies afterwards and throughout court most importantly her eagerness to slander Travis with pedophile claims speaks to lack of remorse also IMO
You wrote:
What evidence in the car?
I was referring to her story of bleeding in the car from her finger wound near the desert- but youre right besides the car guy and her word there isnt evidence of this-
I wrote:There was a drop of blood and a smear-( on the scales) thats it-
You wrote;
How do you know that? Which scale?
Blink,
It was testified to in court- sorry i cant remember which scale but the single drop underneath was under the clear scale-
You
There is no such thing as “just a drop of blood or just a smear” in crime scene analysis and subsequent testing. The results dictate the value, not visual observation alone.
Blink I didnt say “Just a drop or just a smear” I said there was a drop and a smear thats all meaning all that was shown/testified to in court
I wrote
Again what would it go to show if this blood was typed? if Arias blood or travis it could have happened before death while shving or after cleaning by Arias-
Dunno, that’s my point. It was taken into evidence for a reason. B
It was taken into evidence yes but again that doesnot mean it is definitely going to be part or central to the States case- and again I see no merit to presenting it nomatter whose blood it is or if mixed as again Arias cleaned the scene-she was bleeding as shown by the print so this blood evidence could be transfer as a result of cut then cleaning so it is compromised-
You
There are several carpet sections, and the two I am referring to were not presented in court. One is the carpet section leading from the bathroom into the closet, and the other is a different section to include the matt underneath which is part of the overall large section where the carpet meets the tile area.
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Gotcha thanks for the clarification- my reference to WS was to the pic of the testimony not to any discussion sorry for the confusion
You wrote:
Because the struggle occurs on the floor. We know one place it did not- the bathroom sink. You also have a relatively confined area of a combination of aspirated blood and blood drops, which could only have come by someone tall enough to leave them as they are recorded. So you have that. You have suspect/victim interaction in a position where a wounded individual is standing at some point, and you have clear and distinct varying patterns that exist in the tile hallway, and into and including the carpet area where an individual lost arterial blood (in my view) and an extensive bleeding wound that soaked through the floor carpet into the wood subfloor, and I have seen areas of the tile grout underneath the tile itself.
All true Blink but again there are different viable scenarios to the whys of that blood on the sink and to all the blood evidence it can not be said that one certain injury happened here or there-
I do correct my term of foot prints to foot traffic and yes it can not be definite only possible same with other possible prints.
I wrote
What the blood DOES show us without the typing – is the same thing TAs injuries and JAs lack of injuries show us-
TA was fleeing for his life- as JA was brutally attacking him-
You responded:
I don’t agree that is a conclusion v a possible theory. I do not believe the trajectory, depth and wound patterning on Travi’s SCALP, back, right rear neck indicate the offender is above him or he is kneeling at all. They also do not reflect they are made by a 5’6″ offender while he is standing
Fair about theory vs conclusion
The expert disagrees with you in fact she testified to what might be aspirated blood as possibly being from those heads wounds being inflicted upon Travis as he was leaning over the sink…
You
I believe they occur when Travis turns to leave the scene after he is shot at the sink, and Jodi is still pointing the gun at him and he is in desperate fear she is going to finish the job so he tries to bodyslam her so she does not shoot him- ?
but he is clearly incapacitated, and he lands on top of her. She is armed with the knife, and begins stabbing him, wiggling out from under him as she hits his scalp twice, and he is reaching up to grab the knife without success, but causes the slip of her grip that wounds her. She stabs him repeatedly with limited range (9 wounds within 5×6 midline) none of which enter chest and only nick bone ( this applied force deficit is just physics) until he stops moving.
She gets out from underneath him and turns him over- he is still alive so she stabs him in the torso, then neck and finally slits his throat .
Everything in your theory is possible and i dont disagree on the possibility except to say this same evidence can be used to bolster almost any theory of the chronology of the wounds and the attack-
with or without further testing thats the problem
you
Nothing in my theory makes this any less murder, and nothing makes it defense on the part of Arias. In fact, I would submit that their would be no other reason for Arias to have a gun and knife on her person, with socks over her shoes, to commit premeditated murder.
Agreed Blink
Thanks for hearing me out and FTR I totally understand the points you are making
Im just offering a different perspective-
No right or wrong
Respectfully submitted
AJMO
ROTFL there goes what was left of my reputation
The rest my dear Mom 3.0, I fear I am going to be repeating myself, but I have a few more things to bring up before this is over, so we shall see. I sincerely appreciate your researched position as always, but except where indicated, If this came across my desk, I would have the same findings I have penned from the beginning on this one.
B
We all know it comes down to the jury, so I looked up tyhe demographic of Mesa.
It looks like the majority of the town of Mesa is employed by the public School system
Those holding a mortgage on a condo or apt have an average income of 71,k
5.9% of the people are living below poverty line ( 50 k a year)- and that includes people age 18
Lots of students there, several schools
My point is:
Its not the wild west, even if they have a colorful sheriff. Looking forward to the jry’s questions.
here is a link that has the most info about the people of Mesa-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa,_Arizona
I agree with others that say ALV bias was shown thru cross examination-
IMO there is no doubt of this now- and I do believe her bias colored all of her evaluations-
I am very disillusioned by this as I honestly was holding out for this experts testimony which could go to prove to me JAs case of self defense- i hadnt made up my mind totally yet, but ALV failed to do this IMO
Wilmott is up there again and all I keep thinking is the damage is done-
this expert is not an expert and Jodi lied to her and no matter what evidence was shown to illustrate this fact ALV still chose to believe a liar…
Also, JA told her another version BTW the Samuels version of the attack
so she repeated this account to at least two experts-
To me this IS the case \\
as even if we believe that their relationship had some DV aspects-
that day JA was not in fear for her life that day she couldnt have shot him in selfdefense and then went on to stab him repeatedly after running back to the nightstand for the knife
she had a choice to leave at that point while he was shot but still alive she could have called 911 or went to a neighbors
Instead she went for the knife
She chose to use deadly force over and over when clearly Travis presented no imminent threat after the attack began
AJMO
Peace
Here are a few clearer photos of the scene. Graphic, unfortunately.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306910/Jodi-Arias-trial-Shocking-graphic-photos-bloody-crime-scene-Jodi-Arias-stabbed-lover-29-times-slit-throat-released.html
This is a VERY RECENT ( Feb 2013) article about Battered woman defense and the legal system.
It begins by describing the syndrome as involving people who CO-HABITATE.
It is interesting reading, and inlight of what we have been watching, it puts ALV’s approach in perspective makes it clearer…
http://boards.medscape.com/forums?128@943.ggk0aoLAezm@.2a54d936!comment=1
Blink…..yes you did discuss the “shelf test” prior to the defense filing the motion. I am sure most attorney’s read here, when a high profile case is occurring. Getting a public pulse. No word yet on that ruling. Good work. Now, jodi is stating that that she shot Travis in the closet! Your theory is worthy. In regards to Chris Stark, Lol, that’s how little I know about her! (I referred to her as a he in my post, just goes to show you how little I know). I don’t know that I care much for Dr Phil either, but I ran across the article and wanted to share with Rag Doll due to her inquiry. Thank you b for your clarification. Now, I am a twitter follower, so whatever it is worth, this is something new from Ms Stark.
Blink you probably are already apprised of the journal confiscation scuttlebutt today via Internet, but if this is true, what are your thoughts?
https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23JodiArias
https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23JodiArias
I think Jodi Arias is a criminal who has discovered the enterprise of valuation of things confiscated from her.
B