Jodi Arias Trial: In Her Own Words.. How I Killed Travis Alexander With HIS Gun and HIS Knife
Photo Courtesy AP Pool
Phoenix, Arizona- In today’s highly anticipated morning testimony, Jodi Arias finally “gets there”.
After weeks of what can only be described as the dog ate my defense testimony led by Kirk Nurmi, Jodi Arias explains the events leading up to and during the murder of Travis Alexander.
Arias describes an irate and menacing Travis who bounds from the shower, causing her to drop his new camera and pouncing on her, knocking her to the wet tile floor.
“ A five year old can hold a camera better than you.” Arias stated Alexander screamed at her among other threatening expletives while she struggled to break free.
She then ran to the master bedroom closet and apparently using the Spiderman techniques she absorbed via osmosis from the alleged Valentines gift, retrieved a gun she claimed Travis owned over two feet out of her reach while he was sprinting behind her.
She pointed the gun at him, did not realize it went off and then Travis, still coming at her, stumbles to his knees on the now bloody tile beneath him. ( Editors Note: As I have always said, I believe the order of this injury is true and is important to the charges against her)
Enter gratuitous memory gap.
“I have no memory of stabbing him.” – Jodi Arias
Although Arias admits to having flash backs, she states she cannot remember any other details with the exception of her crouched in the bathroom covered in blood and drops a knife she believes was upstairs used by Travis to cut ropes he used to tie her up to the bed.
She did however, have the presence of mind to grab the ropes, the gun, apparently removes and loses her shoes and has no idea what happened to the knife she used to stab Alexander 29 times and slit his neck from ear to ear.
Next memory she is driving in the desert with the gun she alleges was Travis’s when she pitches it out the window at a random location, then puts the ropes in a dumpster behind a gas station and washes blood off her hands.
Pause for Arias innocuous driving babble and road scenery.
“Why didn’t you call 911 and tell them what happened?” Kirk Nurmi asks his sniffling but tearless client.
” …He attacked you, why did you feel You messed up pretty badly?”
“This time it was different, he had done it before and nothing happened, it was heightened.” Responded Arias.
While approaching a check point in Utah, she feels like she will be apprehended there.
Arias decided to do a “whole bunch of things” to cover up she was ever there.
So .. “I called his phone to leave a voice mail”. For nearly 16 minutes she says she tried numerous times to leave a cheery voice mail to ask as if she was not present in Alexander’s home.
“I just thought they would be listening to his voice mail, so I just thought it would throw the scent off for a while.”
– Jodi Arias
Yes, she actually said that on the stand. Defense Attorney Kirk Nurmi was observed writing a note to co-counsel Jennifer Wilmott to send an assistant out to Sam’s for an industrial size supply of Tums.
I made that part up. Testimony continues following jury lunch break.
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A Texas Grandfather…The death penalty costs far more than life in prison (more than double the cost of life in prison). The State has already spent well over a million dollars prosecuting this case.
Here is some background and info as to why:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42
@Blink. Has this any relevance (to slit throat rarity)?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement
Re rarity: imo delusional, or pcp in the mjuana.
I can see a peripheral knowledge of Mormon Blood
Atonement being incorporated into a delusional system.
Does not rule out pre-med at all.
Rose, you touch on the enigma, which in itself is a poor descriptor here. It is an understatement academically to say that in context, the throat slitting, which holds such “statement” in other woundings is atypical to the facts of the case. That makes the act “stand alone” for interpretation which I know could be the one thing that has less meaning than weight less it’s value divided by Pi.
You feel me?
B
Love the question about the secret coded messages. I spoke of that in an earlier post today I am glad to see that that is embedded in the mind of one jury and reminded to the others. It would have been great If AL would have said tht Jodi requested those magazines which she more than likely did to be able to get those coded messages out.
Travis didn’t report the tire slashing because he was afraid Jodi would open her mouth about the sexual relationship. She had the bull by the horns. She was in control of that relationship. He was more than likely thrilled when she moved back to yreka. There is no evidence or text begging her to not go
Can anyone tell me when was the last time she text Travis or spoke to him on her phone?
Question? Does this jury have to return a unanimous verdict to convict her on anything. If one jury member feels she is not guilty, then the jury is hung????
Only the Judge can rule the jury is hung, and thus a mistrial. And yes, a unanimous verdict must be reached for guilt.
B
Ode you have more than likely spotted the real reason for Jodi’s behavior. She never bonded with her mother or father. Failing that, she was unable to bond with a grandparent. A child adrift without an adult to counsel them and let them know they are loved is doomed to live a harsh life of poor and dangerous choices.
ATG sounds like he is making a generalization, but he is actually making a very serious psychiatric observation, imo.
Remember I sad early that Jodi has no connects? Has no attachments? They are critical in bonding. Without them, she stays disconnected, as she did, imo. I truly believe this is mostly systemic, in that she was born this way, unfortunately.
B
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Ha Blink….what? wait no …what does that say about me and my rep? I am the one that shared the link? LOL Mighty Boosh is funny it says to me that you have a sense of humor Blinky and that you know what a mangina is… and that is important info Ha
The TWEETS
Even though Arias admits to killing Travis she says it was in self defense- which mean if believed she walks- and as of right now, she has not been found guilty of any crime-
Sooo, if she so chooses to Tweet through Donovan then so be it- she has not been stripped of all rights – its the same as choosing to appear on 48hrs or Inside edition etc-
She has that right-
I guess she needed a lawyer more like JB as he was able to convince CA to stop talking- or maybe CA wised up
so who is closer to having a higher IQ? wait dont answer that.
Point is let her talk she sure isnt coming off as anything but a manipulating mean egotistical person- so even if she happens to fool the jury the court of public opinion will have a more complete picture of the true JA..and we can see how well that is working for CA.
AJMO
O/T I guess we are birds of a feather drinking Bailey’s while fishing in Black Lake, lol. I posted it originally, I take full responsibility in the occasional idiot sketch as a way of lightening up the day. I might recommend Mel McCarthy’s recent SNL skit. I also quote Rebel Wilson when the opportunity arises.
To your point, yes, Arias needed high profile-ready counsel- maybe Macaluso is the Curly Jefferson in the abstract so all others obeyed the non-solicit rule. Maybe the assets here are already owned- no idea.
B
As a criminal investigative analyst if I were guaranteed a truthful response, I would ask her one question, and that would be why did she cut his throat?
It is so completely rare, coupled with all available investigative information private or public, would be the crux of this incident.
I should note that is almost never the case. Unless we are talking about an entirely different offender profile, this particular act stands out like ( insert analogy).
My fear and suspicion is her answer.
B
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Blink, what would the slit throat indicate? Curious minds want to know.
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I notice that whenever the ‘abuse’ of Jodi is discussed by a defense witness she seems to perk up (eyes slightly brighten, head tilts, leans forward). It really looks like she enjoys hearing how Travis wronged her and mistreated her and how she always tried to stay positive or do the right thing to calm the situation.
From this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/inside-the-mind-of-jodi-arias_n_2528011.html
“In her mind, she felt like the jilted woman,” he said. “It’s narcissism, [to] always see things from her perspective, her needs and her desires. In her mind, this really may be self-defense because she believes she was wronged — ‘How dare he be with another woman when he is hers?’ Sociopaths create a reality that fits the event.”
Bonn added, “The rage and retribution demonstrated by the brutal slaying of Travis is very consistent with the emotional volatility of a sociopath. In her narcissistic mind, Travis deserved to die for betraying her.”
1. I don’t know, thus the need to ask the question. Nobody does, and in my analyst mind, it is like psych bumper cars and all the cars I hit are that wound. I am not even comfortable giving my theory- something about Jodi Arias as a straight up sociopath, which i consider in my novice an underachieving psycopath of sorts, makes me believe it is way more simpler than I want to conclude. Like, she could hear his death rattle through his stab wound so she stopped it. Regardless, new territory from a profile perspective, imo.
2. She is a sociopath, no question. She is more.
B
Rose says:
April 11, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Having now read the usatoday article, it seems to me the judicial system must get a handle on witness intimidation organized through social media and call in the FBI to investigate same re LaV.
http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2073067
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Whoa wait -
this has far reaching possible repercussions-
This article is clearly equating all people with an opinion to cyberstalkers-
Where is the line this article seems to round everyone up into one hate group-
This author is not distinguishing the line from a pack of people trying to get ALV fired or from those posting her # from those who are sharing opinions sometimes not so nice or ill informed or way off base opinions but still only opinions – here or on any other blog, in a tweet- or any other form of webbased forum-
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The Arias case is an international phenomenon, reduced to a parable of good and evil when relayed in 140-character posts. Travis Alexander, the secret lover she killed in 2008, has become a cause celebre. Arias has become a pariah, and everyone associated with her is considered evil by thousands in the social-media audience.
“reduced to a parable of good and evil when relayed in 140-character posts”…
“The victim is the cause celebre and Arias is a pariah- and anyone associated with her is considered evil? ”
“It’s the electronic version of a lynch mob,” said retired Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Kenneth Fields.”
“The social-media subcult has not been content to merely watch the trial. It has decided to take part.”
So when do they come into our coffee shops and ask us to stop discussing opinions amongst our neighbors and friends? Whats next coming into our kitchens or living rooms and asking us to refrain from speaking there?
AS for Amazon- I am not saying it was appropriate to share harsh opinions on ALV on a book review- but anyone who has read these review forums knows that it is often a place for people to rant-
The defense or ALV or her publicist should have disengaged the comment section until after the trial or perhaps moderated it until after the trial-
But publishing her home phone or trying to get her fired from speaking engagements or hounding her place of business and inciting others to do so is clearly different-
All I am saying is it is a slippery slope when calling for some sort of censorship based on some who have step over a line and others who are merely enjoying our rights to freedom of speech same as Arias in her tweets-or those at Jodi Arias is innocent site.-
As David Bodney,a First Amendment attorney who represents The Arizona Republic, said and I agree:
“I think it’s entirely unfair to blame camera coverage for a group of persons who are expressing their views,” he said. “The court has the authority to take steps to protect that witness from threats and other misconduct.”
AJMO
Peace
Agreed in general, but wrt comments of those calling her speaking engagement sponsors ( and I do not speak for Rose, but I am guessing that is the heart of her comment) which in essence are “employers” or contractors for her professional services, if a person is calling them or emailing them, this behavior is subject to statute.
B
@Blink. Yes, her “bonding” deficit (or inability to empathize) seems constitutional, not situational rearing. Kids bond with the most abusive of parents. I suppose this trait is where your high functioning autism question came from? One can have damage in utero to that part of the brain (say by infection) without being on an autism spectrum.
Yes, but no, it did not.
It came from my observations of her 9+ hours of interview post-arrest. I see actions that remind me of the autistic toddler who carries things in both hands, those favorites- If you have not watched them I appolly, but I was struck in particular of her lining up the 2 water bottles, ripping middle pages out of the pad and much more- it is consistent, but at her age, not so much, lol.
I know she is borderline, but I see nothing but control in her, and then when I don’t, it is like a small fissure in her cement, if you catch my drift. Like invisible to the naked eye. I may not be articulating it well, and I have studied every piece of footage of her in detail.
I am well trained to separate the behavior from the suspect status- not the issue.
She reminds me of a marionette with invisible strings, she reminds me of a lizard, she reminds me of things that imitate.
Not live, with a long I.
B
I gather you mean throat slitting by a female
is so rare it’s uninterpretable reliably here.
Is that why we hear so little of it from Martinez?
Gas can analysis over throat slitting analysis is like flea bites over
cigarette burns vis a vis abuse.
Myers says:
April 11, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Laviotte saying she would have made up a better lie, a lie is a lie
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Thanks for bringing this up myers
I thought this was ridiculous
ALV was asked;
Irt to JAs truthfulness..
PP
All these lies about killing Mr Alexander.. all after june 4th – (the she wasnt there story to she was there but two intruders did it) do these lies define her for you? do they cause you problems with her believability-
Answer
no they dont-
question Why not-
answer-
“because if Ms. Arias was a REALLY good liar, she would have planned a real good lie, and she didnt.”
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Oh okay the 1000s of criminals behind bars who lied about their crimes and were caught werent liars because they obviously were innocent of lying because of the fact they didnt plan real good lies?
Ummm the 3rd times the charm for JA at least with ALV-
and it seems JA planned the other two previous lies to include the gas receipts and taking evidence and calling Travis after the killing and all the rest-
she only came up with this new defense AFTER Samuels and Nurmi confronted her with her Unbelievability, her lack of “truthfulness”
She therefore mistakenly thought her planned lies were good enough until that point
so it seems just because ALV may see the the 3rd story as believable this proves the fact that it is the truth and not a lie?
Riiiight.
AJMO
Personally, if that statement did not start with, “I am aware she has lied as to her original statements in this crime”, she lost me.
I don’t see how anyone qualified to analyze and assess is not considering- with great weight, the parts of JA story that are confirmed fable.
Yes, I chose the word fable.
B
I will watch all then.
iyou are perhaps describing small rituals.
Well I look forward to your opinion because the truth is, I think there is merit in the concept of needles and haystacks as a metaphor of her mind. I have seen 2 experts form opinions that do not even take the ultimate issue of the depravity of her crime head on- which really seems to be a fair indication of most interviewed. I know that if I am looking for a pod in the backyard, my lens is foggy.
B
So is it possible that Jodi thought by sliting Travis’s neck it may have pointed in the direction of mormons because of past rituals and the mormans finding out that Travis was having sex.That would not surprise me at all. So very premeditated with the knife along for the ride. So she brought the gun to shoot him first but that didn’t kill him for her to perform the ritual to cast blame so she had to stab him repeatedly to get him down to cut his throat to make it look as if a ritual was performed to cast blame on others. After shooting him an it didn’t work that is where she comes in with the defense story. At that point she was defending herself against a man she just shot so she had to stab and stab and stab to take him down That is where the ninja story came in and she says she felt they were there to kill Travis and didn’t know what to do with her?
I will go back and look, but how soon was
Jodi shown or told of the pictures on the camera. I know she stuck with the ninja story for awhile.
Blink
You know that I agree with you. Learning to love and be loved by parents and family is one of the most important things humans can do.
My earlier thoughts about the genetic possibilities of a brain not functioning correctly would fit. If something is missing, then no one can provide the fix based on our current medical knowledge.
I don’t believe Jodi really knows the underlying reason as to why she cut his throat. I really thought she was leaving a symbol that he would never be able to tell anyone of the things he threatened her with in the text message. She may be one in 100 million births that grow progressively into making more and more evil choices. Or it could be as simple as “now you will die quicker”.
Entirely possible, ATG.
B
in terms of witness intimidation, in addition to direct attempts to break her business contracts,
I place direct phone calls & emails to her business partners & her worksite, which interferes with
the conduct of her business, & which apparently are threatening enough to call LE.
Additionally, there appears to be a concerted conspiracy to interfere with book sales. Imo witness intimidation,
that is organized, depends on the totality of the circumstances & the level of the organization, & the intent to
interfere with employment or business, or to threaten life. The goal of these campaign leaders, I assume, has been to affect or limit her testimony, or her daily availability, while she is in the process of testifying & on the stand. That’s pretty serious. If these acts of intimidation are true, Reminds me of an olden days lynch mob in the South during a trial making an effort to impact the trial outcome because they arent certain what that outcome will be & fear they won’t like it
…She reminds me of a marionette with invisible strings, she reminds me of a lizard, she reminds me of things that imitate.
Not live, with a long I.
B
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Hauntingly articulate.
Blink and rose-
I wasnt calling out rose Blink i was calling out the author of that piece and I too agree as i said IRT the publishing her home phone or trying to get her fired from speaking engagements or hounding her place of business and inciting others to do the same as being far different.
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Okay i am going to be totally honest here-as this is on my mind
I would go with JA deserves murder two if she didnt bring in the pedo charges- and if it wasnt such a brutal killing
in truth I do feel sorry for Arias- she is a damaged woman I see her pain I see her humanity-
I just dont believe that this damage was caused by TA nor did she have to brutally kill Travis
the brutality is what i can not get over-
Nomatter how sorry i feel for her- she can not be released into society to harm another- and she must be held accountable punished for killing Travis
and her defense and the whole amnesia black out story is not making me any more comfortable in wanting to give her a lighter sentence
I have a daughter i would not her to be called names nor would i want her to be used for sex then discarded and i certainly would not want her to be judged by society as a slut for engaging in a consensual sexual relationship and I would want her to be believed if she claimed selfdefense and DV
but I also have a son and I would not want him vilified for dating more than one girl at a time I would not want him to be judged on some text messages or emails or his willingness to hook up with a girl who may want him more than he is willing to commit- and I would want him to be believed he he claimed stalking and being afraid or DV
This is such a horrible case
the only real evidence we have in this case is the fact that Travis was brutally killed- the rest of it is all based on the interpretations of the written word a sex tape the words of a proven liar- the extremely harsh words of a murder victim towards his attacker- and the dueling opinions of some experts-
i would not want to be on this jury-
if the defense did a better job at defending her- by proving that the throat slash and the overkill stabbing was not some sort of planned punishment or “saving sacrifice” for Travis- maybe
as I do believe she planned either to purposely kill him in a blood atonement- the throat slashing the cut to the abdomen the cut to the heart… all mimicked in early baptismal rites-
or
she thought doing it this way would point to somesort of Mormon “mafia” hit and not to her-
that is where i am stuck with wanting her to get the most severe punishment by law because of the brutality and because of the lack of remorse with the pedo story and the lies and smugness- and the fear over what she will do if released into society
I dont see how the jury can get over this brutality either nor the pedo story & lies regardless if they feel sorry for her-
AJMO
Peace
Thanks Mom 3.0 on the clarification on ALV issues.
For me, this is about a successful prosecution AS WELL AS understanding the truth of what happened as an analyst. I will likely never subscribe to the concept that with such an evidence-rich scene that we may just “never know.” I am not wired for that as you may have noticed, lol.
Be that as it may, and my heavily quoted investigative advice “You can’t unf*ck a case.” – I believe that all things staying exactly as they are, this jury has an extremely high chance of hanging, and an elevated chance of an acquittal if those selected to deliberate are those that I would submit are clearly skewing questions toward understanding the relativity to the indictment.
Think of it from your own opinion perspective- how does the brutality of the death prove either pre-meditation or felony murder?
It can’t. Especially not in a way that can be argued effectively when you have the alleged accidental pics showing the entire event takes place in a few minutes.
It is my personal belief that Jodi is guilty of premeditated murder or felony murder, but I do not feel the State presented it’s best case to support that because it seriously under-researched or undermined it’s own forensics or due to flat out error. I mean, are you kidding me Flores bases his entire case in a very public way on the gunshot being first to find out in open court that the ME does not remember ever speaking to him about it?
That theory changed when the state lost every other “bid” at F6, period. It’s shoddy and it is what it is. I am a card-carrying white hat gal, but we need to be open about the fact that in criminal investigation and subsequent prosecution this chit matters to outcome.
I have no proof, but I believe this incident is actually worse than it looks, but if I am evaluating just on facts and evidence, this is a murder case conviction.
She is overcharged to meet the demands of the case in chief and a unanimous verdict, imo. Pray I am wrong, I am.
B
http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/bloodatn
The more I read the more I begin to think her plan was to kill him for her own embellishment, but to create an investigation towards his faith. To make it look as though someone in his faith felt he needed to be relieved of his sins with an old Mormon ritual and that went with the second story the ninjas.
Could this be a possibility. Her plan was to shoot him and kill him in the shower and then slit his throat having no clean up. I still do not get the picture taking, but maybe after shooting him she thought he was dead, but to her surprise he popped back up causing her to drop the camera taking the ceiling picture. the knife was close by . She begins to stab him in the back but He comes out of the shower coughing up sprays of blood shown near the shower floor and ends up near the sink where all the blood is. All the while continuing to stab him and getting him deep in the chest. He then finally falls at the end of the hall and she is able to finally do as she planned and slit his throat from ear to ear. The camera was probably kicked into the hall during this struggle and hit again to take the picture of her pants. Now this was not planned to be so messy, so it foiled her quick getaway. She tried to clean up but was impossible. As to the camera she probably was in such a hurry she didn’t realize she had put it in the wash. She probably had it in her hands to take with her. There Could also be reasons she left it Who knows???
Ok, I am done. Thanks for this sight Mrs Blink. I have learned so much from you and your blinksters.
Prayers to the Alexander’s. They truly need the right closure and justice.
Blink if JA shot first i think she cut Travis troat because she was then already thinking to make the crime scene fit to her ninja story. Who would think a woman did this?
If she didn’t shoot first then cutting Travises troat was an act of rage in my opinion.
Blink do you know what bothers me the most in this case? The lack of remorse… there is none not a bit. If i had to kill someone in selfdefense, someone that i loved so much, i would cry my eyes out of my head and always ask myself what did i do wrong, how could i have avoid a such situation?
It is a big mistake for the defense that their sole purpose was to taint Travis in a such bad light instead of letting appear that she had to do such to protect her life but has so much remorse to have done this anyway.
Jodi is able to use twitter in jail? How is that possible?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/11/jodi-arias-twitter_n_3061649.html
After observing the various interviews and tapes of JA, I didn’t really see the slashed throat as a big deal any more. More on the lines of what ATG wrote in this post. Perhaps she was just stopping any sound he was making–a dying prayer for forgiveness, a cry for help, or one last insult to her. Or she just got carried away. Maybe he moved or struggled again after she thought he was dead, and she just stopped the annoyance once and for all.
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A Texas Grandfather says:
April 11, 2013 at 11:49 pm
Blink
You know that I agree with you. Learning to love and be loved by parents and family is one of the most important things humans can do.
My earlier thoughts about the genetic possibilities of a brain not functioning correctly would fit. If something is missing, then no one can provide the fix based on our current medical knowledge.
I don’t believe Jodi really knows the underlying reason as to why she cut his throat. I really thought she was leaving a symbol that he would never be able to tell anyone of the things he threatened her with in the text message. She may be one in 100 million births that grow progressively into making more and more evil choices. Or it could be as simple as “now you will die quicker”.
Entirely possible, ATG.
B
I tried yesterday to find out about women who slit throats of victims. I was not very successful. I did find several stories about women who slit children’s throat. As Blink has said it must be rare. I am now focasing on “the death rattle” as suggested by Blink. Was she finishing the act of murder by focusing on the last sounds made by Travis. Very very possible.
All delusional or experiencing psychotic events- and filicide is very different offense altogether, but yes.
Female murderer intimate partner male domestic homicide to include throat slashing or slitting- Very, very rare.
B
Word Girl says:
April 10, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Here are a few clearer photos of the scene. Graphic, unfortunately.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306910/Jodi-Arias-trial-Shocking-graphic-photos-bloody-crime-scene-Jodi-Arias-stabbed-lover-29-times-slit-throat-released.html
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Thank you Word Girl for the link. Blink what does the distinct void pattern of blood in the hallway tell us?
He was laying there, and imo, was dragged down that hallway area ultimately to be deposited in the shower. His head was pointing toward the bedroom and he was face up, but I see some possible markings that she also turned him around there to drag him by the arms- I can’t be sure about that part without seeing what is calling macro layering, or the scene imaged via macro lens in an overlap succession.
This crime scene would have been a perfect oppty for a panoramic forensic camera- I don’t think AZ has one though.
B
Snipped re the neck slashing
makes me believe it is way more simpler than I want to conclude. Like, she could hear his death rattle through his stab wound so she stopped it. Regardless, new territory from a profile perspective, imo.
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Sort of along the lines what I was thinking. There were so many wounds she inflicted on him. Not going to say if the shooting or stabbing came first, because I just do not know. But..what I had thought previously was that wounds or at least some of them were inflicted on him after death because the body was still making noises, and possibly releasing waste so she may have thought he was still alive because of these things.
As to the lying and what ALV said that she would have planned a better lie, similar comments were made re the planned killing ie that it was not planned because it turned out so poorly. IMO she did plan, premeditate. She did not have a good plan but that does not mean she did not have one. I think she thought the gun would kill him and when it did not the knife came into the picture. Her first lie that she was not there did not work. So she came up with the intruder story. Well that one did not work either, so she changed it again. Only this time, it was too late to change it. She had to stick with this lie. Can anyone see her changing this lie NOW? Yet ALV and Dr. Samuels take this story as the truth. No emotion from her whatsoever in telling her story. Any of them. In fact she smiles as if she is doing just that telling a story. She is not showing any emotion as if she is reliving a horrific experience.
My son made a comment last evening. He watches parts of this trial and he watched parts of the CA trial.
He said that one thing he has realized that when one commits murder, it doesn’t really depend on your lawyers or the facts, but it all comes down to who is on the jury and what they choose to believe.
I analyze that to mean that juries are seeming to appear to be more subjective these days than objective.
JA = EVIL
In MOO, she slit his throat because he was a threat to her. She removed the threat. TA would never reveal her lies.
To me, the most relevant thing about Arias changing hr stories is that she appears to have altered her stories according to information she received. In Dec 2008, she gave an interview to Inside Edition, citing intruders as perps. Sge maintained this story until August 16, 2011, when she aksed that the court to admit letters about pedophilia which supported her new claim of self defense The court denied the letters from admission. Arias then said that she was “over her head” , and the court reinstated Nurmi and washington as legal rep. Washington asked to be recused., Willmot came on in 2011.
I think that ALV shpuld definitely have considered the fact that Arias did change her approach according to evidence. I do not know the exact date of the first interview with ALV, though I think other posters might. IF ALV was brought in AFTER the letters were ruled inadmissable, they were looking for a way to back up Arias charge for which they would have no other evidence.
In any case, ALV must recognize the distinct possibility that Arias’s claim of battered woman, and the building of Arias case as such was influenced by Alv’s involvement in the case, and the exchanges between Arias and ALV. Arias had already proven she was able to take evidences and interpret them to support her claim of intruders.
However, ALV does not acknowledge Arias’s shifting stories as anything that detracts from Arias credibility. I firmly believe this is a prejudice, especially in light of the fact that Travis was never given any opportunity to qualify his emails as to what he was responding to.
LaViolette says that it doesn’t matter, the words used in the emails are abusive regardless. April 10 response to Jury question)
Yet , in response to jury question April 10, ALV claims there is no evidence of Arias lying before the murders, citing ex boyfriends as corroborators. ALV’s states that lying is a a symptom of fearfulness. As fas as not lying before the murder, Travis texts are focused on the concept that Arias is lying to him.
For reference, here is link to time line (from Huffington Post)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/jodi-arias-timeline_n_2387245.html
Where lies the proof from the defense that Travis was abusive to Jodi? The defense is essentially saying Travis caused her to kill/overkill him? Would that make sense to the jury..I don’t think so. Jurors are asking all the right questions. May they have the common sense to come to a collective conclusion Jodi is a proven liar and a dangerous killer who needs to be locked up forever. I believe the prosecution has proved it’s case beyond a reasonable doubt. The defense has not.
It’s a rare day off for me, so I’m exploring.
Here’s a metal sculpture by Giacometti–not his usual sort–that may have come about after his friend wrote Jack the Ripper.
http://www.nationalgalleries.org/collection/artists-a-z/G/3414/artist_name/Alberto%20Giacometti/record_id/2024
Perhaps this has been posted? March 20, 2013, a woman slices bf throat after accusing him of being unfaithful
http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/San-Antonio-police-Jealous-woman-slashes-boyfriends-throat-199160951.html
I note the word ‘accusing’ him.
In this next article, a woman slices a man’s throat. I note that there were several cuts, marks of hesitation, on the victim’s throat.
http://www.whas11.com/news/crimetracker/Police-Woman-slashes-mans-throat-with-box-cutter-185897262.html
This case is in the position found in the court because of one very simple fact. The principals in the criminal justice system have not done an adequate job of communication. To think that a lead detective did not sit down with the ME and discuss the crime scene in depth is almost unbelievable. The District Attorney’s office should have been the coordinator in the entire process. There should have been discussions of what the crime scene indicated and what it meant about the actual sequence of events. Everyone involved should have been in agreement at the end of the discussions.
Jodi planned to take out Travis and do it in such a way that no one could prove she did it. No one would know she was ever there.
Jodi is not stupid, but she is ignorant about a lot of things. She believes she is as smart as Einstein. What a joke! Einstein didn’t know about a lot of things, but he did know a lot about physics and their relation to the things in the world plus the knew how to analyze in a meaningful way.
There is a big difference between knowledge and ignorance. Because Jodi did not live in the world of real knowledge, she believed she knew how to make her plan work. She forgot about all the people she would be trying to out smart who had all kinds of experience and knowledge she didn’t posses.
She IMO was just plain lucky in getting away with the theft of the little 25 cal. pistol from her grandfather. However, because of her ignorance of guns, it didn’t have enough destructive power nor did she understand that it would take practice to become accurate enough to shoot someone and kill them quickly without leaving a mess.
Her behavior after the murder in contacting law enforcement reminds me of an arsonist who sets the fire and hides until the firemen and other first responders arrive and then mingles with the crowd that frequently gathers.
I can imagine the death rattle, but I find it unlikely here, given the short time of action. Especially since TA was being dragged, pushed, maneuvered from the hallway to the shower, giving fluid and mucous in his throat a chance to clear, I don’t think one would hear the rattle sound.
However, if she left him in the shower while cleaning (I think she ran the shower after he was in there, as evidenced by the clean walls around TA’s body)she could have come back and heard an awful sound coming from his throat and lungs.
Blink, do you have autopsy photos of the pulmonary lobes?
It’s gruesome and disturbing to think about at times and I’m not always as clinically distanced as I should be while reviewing this case.
The depravity of this woman’s soul is not surprising, however. She is a shell.
In my opinion, Travis comes across as so extremely likeable that no one believes any of the attempts to trash him.His family is so strong and touching in their support of him If one of my brothers or sisters was murdered like that,I’d feel like killing the perpetrator,too but I don’t think I could sit in court for 4 months and listen to all of that. I think there’s a very real possibility she gets 1st degree- death penalty The questions for the DV expert are even more sarcastic than those for the shrink. Well, I certainly wouldn’t acquit her but as far as the death penalty goes, I think we should let Travis rest in peace and not send her over there to stalk him on the other side
Thanks NaNa for the links about the costs associated with the death penalty.
These are all summary reports from organizations that do not like the concept of a death penalty. Without a look at the raw data making up the report, I cannot accept their conclusions.
I spent several years doing cost analysis associated with construction projects of all types. In addition, I made the monthly forecast for funds to operate a large engineering and construction group. These were borrowed funds so it was important that the forecast be as accurate as possible to keep the cost of money under control.
The above paragraph is to let you understand that figures in reports can be skewed to make a point or they can be very accurate for control purposes. Anything associated with a government monetary function automatically raises the question of accuracy. The political implication is too likely.
@wg
No, weights and general only. Irrc, he had a collapsed hemothorax. There would also be gurgling from the chest wounds as well, fyi
Would anyone agree that with alv testimony, the jury does not know what exactly she takes into account in assessment and what she doesn’t. She rambles on about past clients, how do we know if any of the situation that she speaks of are true concerning past clients. I get the feeling she comes up with the best answer to suppose ja
Thanks Juan you just answered my question I posted at 1:02.
If this jury does not believe on ALV, then what do they base anything towards abuse on… How can they believe anything or rely on her testimony.
Just tossing this out there, but maybe AL is “angry” at JM and therefore is unwilling to concede to anything other than Jodi as the victim of DV no matter how the scenerio/story changes.
Any more defense witnesses next week? Please say ‘no.’
I am hearing that they are addressing something regarding ALV on the record on Monday. I PRESUME it wrt the approach of Samantha, Travis’s sister.
I am catching up on the morning session and I have to say, the question regarding the bigger perp of domestic violence (sic) by the juror has me confirming my earlier fears. That juror thinks there was a definite argument, and a def abuse pattern, imo. Not what I want to hear, but expected.
Sigh.
B
@ futureman
I heard on the facebook AZ vs. Jodi page that the defense is calling a computer expert/tech person. Not sure about if confirmed or not though.
Inv Brown. I believe I posted those docs or minutes last week, or someone else did.
B
@ Pam
To what would this witness be testifying?
Just jumping in quickly. Thx, B, for info that hemothorax was discovered at autopsy.
A hemothorax is a condition that can occur after an injury to the chest such as: a blow to the chest, stab wound, or gunshot wound. When blood is trapped between the chest wall and lung in the thoracic cavity, it is called hemothorax. The resulting pressure can collapse the lung alveoli, atelectasis.
Chime in, all you RTs and other health care professionals. All of those stab wounds–egads, most were made in the chest cavity. So brutal.
Oh, and I finally checked the autopsy report so not to ask TOO many dumb questions.
INCIDENTAL, but interesting
There has been discussion on this iste between NaNa and TGF regarding the costs of the detah penalty versus the costs of incarceration. ALV has also been asked about her fees in this case, to which she responded 250.00 and hour, and 300.00 and hour on the stand. She did 44 hours alone in the interview with Jodi, and reveiwed materials from 2011 til, evidently after her pre trial interview with Martinez. She was on the stand for many hours of testimony. I am sure we will see what the total cost of her involvement is at some point.
But for a perspective, the average yearly income per capita in Mesa, Arizona is a bit above $27,000.
Here is a link, again to get a persepctive on who the jury has been culled from. Would her fees imapct their judgement of her? I dunno. But perhaps it would affect their opinion of her in terms of their judgement as whether the amount of money paid should have enabled to ALV to answer concretely with yes or no answers..?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_locations_by_per_capita_income
Why is ALV coming back Tuesday?
I am wondering if the fact that ALV said she was an expert witness for ” at least two ” when asked if she had ever testified in criminal court on behalf of a man has anything to do with it. Martinez took issue with her claim ( which in discussion became that she said ” one or two), and she then revealed that in fact she did not testify, rather she filed a report during an appeal for a man charged with DV. ( Though at first she said it was privledged info, she then said she could not remember his name.)
I am wondering if possibly this would be basis for perjury.
It did seem like a big deal, because ALV took such a long time before she answered the jury question, and even used her fingers.
ALV’s whole perspective really seems to hinge on her own beleif that the words in the texts and im’s and emails count as abuse tantamount to battering that would cause a woman to feel she must defend her life by killing her abuser. And the defense case seems to hinge on ALV convincing the jury that this theory applies to Arias. Blink, I know you feel at this point, there is a very good chance of a hung jury, but I cannot imagine the judge allowing that to happen.
This is influenced by my own bias, ( I guess) that I feel Arias is guilty as charged of pre- med, and I have made this decision before the defense has rested, and before the State presents it’s final rebuttal.
Futureman says:
April 12, 2013 at 3:43 pm
@ Pam
To what would this witness be testifying?
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LOL I have no idea. Another fairy tale. This came out shortly after the same facebook page listed the prosecutores rebuttal witnesses, which included a computer tech. They may be trying to nip the Jodi snooping/hacking/sending e-mails in the bud before the prosecutor rebuttal case. Just my guess though.
Pam-
You have the benefit of being a kind soul, and you have my beloved Mother’s name. Brown is a state witness, an encase expert. Plan on Det Brown to discuss some electronic rebuttal need. This is a prosecution witness.
B
I see now from B’s response that the tech expert is, in fact, a state witness. Too bad I’ll be in class most of next week. The rebuttal phase should command attention.
And Dr. Demarte. Not to be confused with Dr. Bombay.
B
IRT the throat slit . . . from what I’ve seen of people with the characteristics that Jodi (IMO) possesses, it’s mostly about power (theirs) and image, meaning theirs, and more specifically, what they want you to see of them.
I see this throat slit (and sorry for the choice of words here, I just can’t describe it in any other way) as a way for Jodi to cross her t’s in the finality of Travis. Again, I may not be describing this properly, but it struck me as a sort of a mark of Zorro in it’s drama and finality. I just can’t imagine the brutality it would take to do that. But I see it (and feel from her demeanor and mannerisms) that winning (however her mind defines it) is important. Winning and power. This act to me screams that she was intent on “winning” and proving her power to Travis.
Here is the problem. None of her apparently observed behaviors lead to homicidal ideation. None.
Makes it near impossible to interpret in this crime.
B
Mrs blink, keep catching up. Martinez ends the day brilliantly. Love the discussion of the difference between a white lie and a big lie. Lol
Blink, have you (or anyone in this group) ever heard of this guy?
http://forensicthoughtprints.com
I wish someone could approach him and have him analyze Jodi’s interrogation tapes, and testimony on the stand and have this guy tell us what her guilty conscience is really telling us.
Can’t be done like that. There is no such expertise and anyone touting that is a charlatan.
B
Pam-
You have the benefit of being a kind soul, and you have my beloved Mother’s name. Brown is a state witness, an encase expert. Plan on Det Brown to discuss some electronic rebuttal need. This is a prosecution witness.
B
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It is an honor to share your mothers name. There is some confusion though, as my post was in response to futureman asking if the defense had any other witnesses. After I answered that, he then asked what they would testify to. I gave it my best guess lol.
Trivia question, I am a blinker or a blinkster.
AND totally unrelated but today I became a grandmother. Sorry but I had to share.
Forget the rest- What a blessing and joy for you. Rejoice.
Blinkers or Blinksters of faith- no need to respond- but i ask you say a blessing for grandperson Pam.
B