Jodi Arias Trial Rebuttal Winds Down: Fog, Fugue, Freed or Fraud- Are The Sex Pics From Months Before Travis Alexander’s Murder? Do They Show Arias Broke In?
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Phoenix, AZ- Arguably the best psychological witness presented at trial, Dr. Janeen DeMarte, clinical psychologist, took the stand last week as the first witness in the State of Arizona’s rebuttal case in the trial of Jodi Arias for the murder of Travis Alexander.
In stark contrast to her previous behavior in court, Jodi Arias refused to look at Dr. DeMarte on the stand, and feverishly took notes or whispered to her attorney Jennifer Wilmott through the State’s direct examination of their witness.
With one exception. When Dr. DeMarte was asked by Prosecutor Juan Martinez if Jodi Arias was a victim of domestic violence resulting in battered woman syndrome, Ms. Arias looked up for DeMarte’s answer. “No.”
After a battery of psychological tests were completed and scored, and approximately 12 hours of clinical interview with defendant Arias- Dr. DeMarte diagnosed Jodi Arias with Borderline Personality Disorder. Dr. DeMarte had the added luxury of having her home vandalized and her laptop stolen following the start of the trial. That information was not shared in open court.
Significant from a psychological evaluation perspective, Jodi Arias’ expert witnesses Alyce LaViolette and Dr. Samuels felt Arias was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) as a result of the killing of Travis Alexander on June 4, 2008 at his home in Mesa, Arizona. Only Samuels was licensed to test Arias similarly to DeMarte, and it appears the results were very different. Samuels testified that he never re-tested Arias after he learned her accounts of June 4 were fabrications and that was an error on his part in his finding Arias suffered from PTSD.
Cross examination of Dr. DeMarte induced a migraine headache suffered by Arias (her 3rd since trial) although she is taking Imitrex for the condition. Earlier in the day, Wilmott began her cross by repeatedly stating that DeMarte was practicing therapy without a license prior to her licensing exam, to which DeMarte responded “That is not correct, it is permitted under the supervision of a licensed psychologist, which I was.”
Wilmott went on to question DeMarte’s credentials specifically related to expertise in domestic violence and her current knowledge of the practices of Dr. Lenore Walker- largely considered the pioneer of domestic violence research and testing. Walker’s work is novel within the psychological community in the area of the battered woman syndrome diagnosis.
Wilmott unsuccessfully tried to trip up DeMarte by suggesting that Walker no longer uses her own 6 point scale to include the possibility of battered woman syndrome to which DeMarte replied, “I would say that you are being inaccurate.”
DeMarte completed her testimony with very limited juror questions, although it was clear that a juror or two was not sold that Arias’ only disorder is BPD.
While DeMarte represented the State well in my opinion; Jodi Arias remains the round peg in the jello rhomboid to me. Too many unanswered behavioral observations from a criminal profiling perspective to fit into the BPD mold.
Prior to the start of the State’s rebuttal case, defense counsel Kirk Nurmi recalled a witness for the defense who never made it into the witness list for trial, Mr. Bryan Neumiester.
In previous hearings where Neumiester appeared as an expert for the defense in the authentication of the May 10, 2008 phone sex recording made by Arias, the State agreed to a stipulation that it was indeed Travis Alexander’s voice on the tape, and that it was made on May 10.
In earlier testimony Juan Martinez elicited from Jodi Arias, Martinez accused her of recording the tape without Alexander’s permission or knowledge. Arias was forced to admit that at no time is the fact that the conversation is being recorded heard mentioned by either party during the recording. More on that recording in a bit.
Neumiester was able to magnify the very haunting last image of a live Travis Alexander’s face in the shower, specifically his iris, and gain agreement via stipulation that the reflective image contained therein is that of Jodi Arias. She was not holding a gun or knife and the image was time-stamped correctly.
This was the second time Juan Martinez agreed to a stipulation from the same expert witness regarding the recorded media, both digital and audio in this case- outside the presence of the jury.
Mr. Neumiester is an expert witness for colleagues in Mr. Martinez’s own office as well as the Mesa Police Department. Might suggest offsite meetings going forward.
The final witness listed for the State’s rebuttal case is an investigator for the Mesa County Police who specializes in computer forensics, Detective Robert Brown. Detective Brown describes himself as a Computer Forensics Detective:
As a Digital Forensics expert, I possess attention to detail in my forensic capability, as well as the ability to explain complex technical concepts in a non-technical manner.
In the course of my regular duties, I also perform the following:
-Support ongoing internal investigations and litigation matters
-Utilize a variety of forensic tools (Encase, FTK, Helix, Cellebrite, Wireshark, etc.)
-Perform storage forensics (for example, hard drives, phones, USB storage)
-Perform network captures for traffic analysis
-File-system analysis and file carving (for example, to extract email, documents, and other trace evidence)
-Identifying , collection and analyzing electronic information, relevant to a case, incident or event of interest
-Establish timelines and patterns of activity of individuals and electronic devices and software
-Following forensically sound practices, including preserving chain of custody
-Efficiently and effectively report progress, risks and issues associated with assignments to varying levels of management
Following sound practices including preservation of chain of custody is looking like a welcome addition to this case.
In testimony from Detective Michael Melendez where the images allegedly taken by Travis’s camera were recovered from the deleted or unallocated portions of the memory stick via Encase software we learned that the infamous afternoon of highly graphic sex images of both Travis and Jodi that were dated and time-stamped on June 4th took place that afternoon prior to Travis’s murder.
Thus, making Jodi Arias an invited guest.
As an invited guest spending the day indelicato delicto, it certainly makes it difficult to prove the felony murder charge she is facing- and does not help the pre-meditation or murder in the first degree allegation because the basic motive is that Jodi went there to murder Travis because he was not going to take her to Cancun. While certainly a possibility, I would offer that just about every psychological professional who sat across from Arias missed the fact that she literally saw her old boyfriends more than once along her trek that ended up with her last breakup. Weird, yes.
Otherwise known as a raging sign of dependent personality disorder.
…” You are the worst thing that has ever happened to me…”
-Travis Alexander
According to the text messages back and forth between Jodi and Travis the weeks prior to his murder, it was patently clear that Alexander wanted Arias out of his life for good.
Has what the state since learned after having Jodi on the stand under oath and repeated in cross examination opened the door to further investigation of the electronic media in this case in preparation for rebuttal? Looks that way.
Keeping in mind that the phone sex recording was May 10th. About a week later, Arias testified, she thought the phone was stolen. She alleges it was found by her Aunt in 2010 in her grandfather’s car. This would be the same aunt that she pointed out in court, and who has not been seen in court in weeks although she had attended daily.
Arias writes in her journal entry May 22, 2008 that there are several explicit photos on her stolen phone, and 2 recorded sex tapes. In 2010, Arias though her attorneys, deliver this phone into evidence with no chain of custody information in a then 2 year old case. Miraculously, this occurs just as Arias is moving from the “maybe not the ninja’s” defense. From the defense perspective it has some statements from Alexander on it that they feel support’s their defense. From the State’s perspective it proves that Arias was certainly very open to the sexual practices of the couple and never felt abused, nor was she put off by the comments by Alexander.
A win-win for both sides so why not agree to its stipulation, right?
Is this why Juan Martinez was hammering home the journal entry written about the “fruitful imaginations” the two explored, causing Arias to miss Lonnie’s christening?
The infamous sugar fest that takes place just before Arias allegedly walks in on Alexander in masturbatory behavior where some image of a boy lands at her feet on January 21st? I note that one of the pictures allegedly from the June 4th date seems to show Alexander engaged in some self-satisfaction that ended with a surprise photo taken from the point of view of the chair next to him.
You’ll see where I am going with this momentarily.
Zulu Time Sex Chat
I have listened to the recording more times than one should have to, and I note that within that conversation ( which is clearly edited, you can hear the fast forwards or dead time during the recording) the sexual tryst they discuss sounds very much like what was captured on the images as presented previously as occurring on June 4th. If you have no concern about losing your lunch, it can be found here. Because of the nature of the material I am not quoting directly.
Graphic Warning, Sexually Explicit Material
Points in Conversation that Match Images
- Jodi discusses her fresh Brazilian and her being unsure if Travis would like that. She mentions Travis wakes her up after she fell asleep in the chair by preforming a sex act on her. There is no question that Jodi is freshly waxed in those images.
- Travis discusses the point of view shots of her “anatomy”.
- Jodi mentions that her hair was IN BRAIDS. In the police interview Flores refers to them as pigtails and Jodi responds “Are you sure it’s me, pigtails? They are not pigtails, they are braids and it is through this verbiage I believe we see Jodi restate that the pics are from another time. She is adamant on that until unfortunately Flores gives it up he has those 2 pics taken from the scene accidently.
- Jodi asks Travis to check out her new profile pic, he does, tells her how photogenic she is, and at no time says… O, you changed your hair color to brown. We know she took pics from her own camera May 10 and she was a brunette. Arias testified her hair was brown prior to leaving Mesa.
- Travis mentions the introduction of KY into the relationship. It is laying on the bed in the images, however, he says during the call when he is masturbating he is using Vaseline.
- Jodi mentions next time they have a photo session that she would like to have makeup on. She has no makeup on in these images.
- In a very close-up point of view shot, it appears Ms. Arias is using her vaginal canal as a tootsie pop holder. The tootsie pop incident occurs only once and prior to June 4th as it is discussed during the tootsietape.
I am aware that Det. Melendez says that the timestamps are from the image files, however, he never offers any explanation as to why some have it and many do not. Nor is he asked how if Neumiester was able to pull EXIF data identifying the shower image as taken from Travis’s camera from a similarly deleted image, why he was not able to. Likely why Mr. Neumiester was kept off the stand via the State’s agreement to the stipulation that has the legal community scratching its collective head.
My current thought bubble: Why would the prosecution take the murder weapons out of the hands of the suspect and in one fell swoop support her account of events as opposed to allowing Judge Stephens to rule on the Daubert hearing?
My current thought bubble response: Because it opens the door that has a little bottle labeled drink me on the other side.
Exhibit #215 Is Fat
No, not a person. The blue SD card labeled exhibit #215, confirmed by the State by its two witnesses Heather Connor and Det Melendez to be the card where all deleted images were extracted.
There’s just one problem with that. Well, maybe two. Connor stated it was located in the bottom of the washer along with the camera battery cover, which were separate from the camera itself. In fact, one can see the battery pack in the camera from the image taken into the washer.
Melendez stated he found the card or memory stick inside the camera when he opened its cover door.
Duo v SD blue
How did it get there if he was the only one who handled it, and how does he account for the fact that it is definitely not compatible with Travis’s camera a Sony (insert model).
Travis’s camera used a proprietary Sony duopro memory stick which is thinner and rectangular, and included notches for locking the data contained on it. The blue SD card cannot and does not fit inside the camera.
SO….
How does one account for the fact that there is only one card located in exhibit #215 and it is indeed now a Sony duopro, and it is NOT the same card pictured in the envelope presented by Thomas through prosecutor Juan Martinez.
As much as it pains me to say this- Jodi told them that herself and Det. Flores confirmed it during their interview on July 15, 2008.
Excerpted in pertinent part, my actual case bench notes from 4/2/13:
1:57 starts discussion on card- notes for review, upload and feedback
JA: To me pictures are very compelling but I know they can be modified, altered and I don’t know but I think date and time stamps can be tampered with.
Flores: we did not modify anything. Say like a computer, we take a mirror copy of it, and we don’t even touch it…. That’s exactly what we do with the photos. We don’t work with the originals and we make an exact duplicate copy and we work with the copy..And our guys are so good, that every case that I know of, has never been lost in court
(Note b: That sounds dangerously like no jury will ever convict me, ugh.)
8:34
Arias begins to ask Flores if they have her camera from storage.
Flores responds do you remember taking these pictures?
Arias: we took many pictures, vaguely
9:00
Arias in response to Flores saying they both deleted everything off both or all devices (sic) says prior to Travis getting his camera, all those pictures were on her camera.
Flores: All these same pictures?
Arias: I dunno, we took a bunch the week before I left
Arias: What I am asking is it possible that my memory card is in his camera? They are interchangeable.
(Note b: This may be why she needed the software and cord found in office. Ref my observations that the cord image appears to have red staining, but was not marked for testing. Imo, this is why she states they had sex on the desk. She knew her DNA from the cut would be there.)
Flores: How do you know they are interchangeable?
Arias: That’s why I am asking.
Flores: Just a regular ole standard SD card.
Arias: That’s why I am asking, cause I’ve got one that is like, this big (Note b: draws on his pad lefty)
For my professional camera it is like long and think like a cracker. My other one is more like this big (note b: Draws but in context shown to be larger than the first. She is indicating they are 2 different sizes.)
Flores: they are not interchangeable…His camera was here and your camera was there, why would those be on his camera?
Arias: My camera in storage that is broken but it is still there, I had several memory cards for it that I don’t have any more, and I guess what I am saying.
Flores: so are you saying all these pictures are on that camera?
Arias; no, it’s so farfetched but I guess it’s possible my card fits
Flores: So you’re saying maybe somebody took your memory card?
Arias: No, what I am saying is that if I left my memory cards at his house he could have used it in his camera. (Note b: This is prior to the trip to the big house. Please note how incredibly detrimental it is to call your suspect on the phone and tell them about all your subpoenas and warrants coming her way six weeks earlier- tends to lead to destruction of evidence, witness tampering, I could go on.)
Of particular interest, was Flores’s commentary that the experts on the hard drive and imaging testing (Melendez et al) have never lost a case where they presented evidence?
While that may be true, there was more than a few things he got wrong in that exchange.
- While on the stand initially calling the duopro card a SIM card, Melendez stated that SIM cards are smaller and primarily used in phones. This is an incorrect explanation. The storage format Martinez was referring to as a SIM is actually Micro SD. However, no micro SD cards have been admitted into evidence at trial.
- In Flores’s interview, he expressly stated that the analysts DID NOT work with the original card or cards in the case that they only make a copy, a mirror copy and work with that. Again, incorrect as we heard Melendez testify that he could not read the card removed until he placed the card directly into his “forensic machine”. No copy was ever made and the images recovered consisted then of deleted and non-deleted items from the card Melendez testified he removed from Travis’s camera himself.
Is it possible Jodi is correct, and Travis had an SD card from her camera and that was the camera used to shoot the tawdry tryst? Whereby he subsequently loaded the amateur effort himself onto the duopro card via the USB attachment and software loaded on his computer? If indeed Melendez was able to recover the deleted images from the duopro card, this would account for why the romp images were on his camera card although Travis and Jodi had not seen each other since its purchase.
Travis also had a Sony video camera that would also use a Sony duopro card enabling him to use the one he had in both. Travis’s video camera has not been referenced as evidence or an exhibit in the trial to date.
Potentially solving the dilemma of how the images get on Travis’s camera- if in fact they predate June 4th unfortunately does not address either how two of the state’s own witnesses testify differently about the same pieces of evidence that cannot possibly be the same storage device or the problems in chain of custody of same.
If Jodi was not the invited guest she claims she was as evidenced previously by the pictures thought to be taken on June 4th, what was she doing there exactly?
Did Travis Alexander even know she was in the house before he spots her holding something other than a gun or knife as he looks out of the shower for the last time?
Travis’s roommate Enrique’s statement to Flores seems to support the theory that at the very least, he was not aware Jodi was in the home when he spoke to Travis that morning and Travis shared he had not gotten any sleep. During her interview Jodi knew nothing of the new second roommate (until Flores outright told her about him and that he was at work) but she definitely would have if she came in through the garage because his car was parked in it.
Does this lend credence to the screen outside being removed by Jodi to the office window laying on the ground for entrance purposes?
Court resumes tomorrow after a closed hearing today. With the general public consensus after a nearly 4 month trial that most are no closer to the truth about what actually happened at casa de alexander on June 4, 2008 other than the outcome, this jury has its work cut out for them.
Please join me this evening discussing this case on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW- LIVE at 9PM EST.
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The only problem I have with the gas cans (even though JM proved she lied) is….why did she feel a need to fill up once she was OUT of Arizona and on her way home? If the theory is, she wanted no paper trail or be spotted on CCTV then, why fill up 3 cans in Salt Lake City after the murder? She was exactly where her alibi wanted her. Was she really that concerned running out of gas on a major highway?
I still think we’re all missing a huge piece to this event which doesn’t change the outcome nor the rightful punishment but the gas cans (among other things) have me concerned.
Coffee drinkers: make a full pot because Nurmi is sure to put us all to sleep today.
It’ll be interesting to hear his conviction. I mean, this is a man who wanted out of this case. And although I know lawyers take an oath to do the right thing, I wonder how deep or how heartfelt he will fight for his client today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G2TRv3_Lvo
I couldn’t resist. Best classification of Arias’ excessive ridiculousness.
I tried to post this last night, but it didn’t go through. I think Nurmi will close today. Then, Martinez is up again. He has a history of saving his best remarks for last. I thought his closing last night was brilliant.
Is it true the jurors will not deliberate over the weekend? This is a risky move on the part of the Court. I hope and pray the jurors resist temptation and stay away from all media.
It is true Grace- no deliberating over the weekend. I totally agree with you it is a bad move.
B
Gotta give Nurmi some love here in Blinkland. He is sexier than an Amish man eating a banana. And for my part, his voice relaxes my bladder. Is it just me?
ROTFL
B
How about this- because I thought it was hilarious and I needed a laugh before I hit myself with a gas can- I will ask-
Is it ok with you readers if I post something funny and very futureman he was concerned might offend some?
B
Jodi looking “awestruck” during Nurmi’s nonsensical sequence of events.
Maybe nerves-
But, KN is totally rambling in an incoherent way- I have no idea where it is he trying to go and it it 12:30 EST. IMO
O/T
I knew the server was under maintenance when I tried to post early in the day. Data Base error. The main page appeared correctly, but when the comments link was used, it crashed with a 404 error.
The late evening post operated correctly with out a problem. The work performed fixed or appeared to fix all the problems and I did not need to do a work around on my end. SM main site was still not working correctly as of midnight.
Who
Your comments about the art work are some of the same things that I saw and commented on earlier. This young woman IMO has lost her soul. With that loss, she cannot relate anything to reality. She can be technically good with the art work, but cannot convey goodness or lifelike qualities to them.
A story teller he is not! He points out too many negatives, and even admitted he doesn’t like JA nine days out of ten.
This closing argument from the defense is not working for me. I am not riveted like I was yesterday. More lies, more excuses, more of nothing to grab onto.
I know. I could not have a bigger headache to drown it out so I figure I will go roll around in some pollen.
B
Go for it.
Futureman says:
May 3, 2013 at 12:09 pm
How about this- because I thought it was hilarious and I needed a laugh before I hit myself with a gas can- I will ask-
Is it ok with you readers if I post something funny and very futureman he was concerned might offend some?
B
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I vote yes, Blink. Sometimes gallows humor helps in cases like this.
Great Posts everyone.
I thought Juan Martinez did a good job yesterday, but I must admit I thought it could have been better.
I thought the rainbow arc reference was superb
as well as his reference to asking the jury not to be drenched with the stench of gas dont help her to carry them dont buy her lies and manipulations and her murder plot…
Blaze IIRC they are more than 300 miles unaccounted for- we dont know where she went or for how long we know she was somewhere in the desert at some point she threw the gun…whose to say she didnt travel other places off the beaten trail to dipose of other evidence when she would need the gas and possible for burning the evidence bloody clothing etc…
Nurmis covert mission”
She only wanted her murder plot to be covert she wanted the gun stolen by someone oit of the home where she was living-
she didnt borrow a gun or a knife or a car from her parents or friends because then they would ask why not use your own where are you going?
Just like DB asked about why she wanted to borrow the Gas cans and we all know how upset she was at his questioning…
If it was so commonplace why ask why and where JA was going?
The gas can walmart return
Nurmi Sir she DID say on the stand point blank that she returned the can TO THE SAME WALMART-
ABOUT Jodi and Travis sleeping together….NO evidence of THIS in fact Jodi first told Police that she was sleepy and that Travis stayed up all night watching her REMEMBER?-
Why would he do that if he wasnt afraid?
Why didnt she kill him immediately? Because she wanted it done a specific way- and she needed to make sure the roommates werent there and the dog was put up etc…
I will say Nurmi did a good job of imploring 1 juror to stick to their “verdict” and not succumb to fear of others…what the word fear can be replaced with though is FACTS-
Why bring up ALVs sexual preference
Blink Im all for posting Futuremans comments
AJMO
Peace
live streaming nurmi & heard most
that asst female shouldnt be sitting by JA.
She looks silly. & having not done it before,
shouldn’t be distracting jury from argument by changing now
like a girl party–and tittering with her on camera at break.
I think Nurmi just has no control of those 3 females.
Thanks Mom3.0. Love your insight too!!
Blink, seriously…what is wrong with Wilmott? Are we keeping her up? She looks sedated!!
Nurmi voice is very condescending. Very theatrical.
I think the State got Arias hair color wrong. I believe she had brown hair for several months. The Budget dude was wrong. That’s all.
I more than EVER think those photos were taken from an earlier encounter.
The State needs to address why Travis would WANT to be with her especially after those text messages. I will not believe he let her in that day. And no way do I think they had sex. I wish Juan would at least allow that as a possibility because if I’m thinking that then, a juror or two must be too.
The State doesn’t have this event down pact. The ending is the same. But the in-between isn’t cohesive or smooth.
At least let the jurors consider: Arias MIGHT’VE gave Travis an ultimatum…..’take her to Cancun or he’s dead’. At least that is a little more fluid with what they’re alleging.
I can’t imagine this soul-less sub-human will get less than LWOP but I gotta admit, I’m a little concerned.
Juan…please do your thing!!!!
Mom3.0 says:
May 3, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Why didnt she kill him immediately? Because she wanted it done a specific way- and she needed to make sure the roommates werent there and the dog was put up etc…
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Yes that was my thought as well. Additionally he would have been found immediately if killed in the office.
Also why not shoot him when his back was to her. My thought is that she wanted him to see it coming.
@Blink, lol on playing in pollen. My thought these past few days have been “how can I damage my hippa campus”
I liked Juans closing but then I have liked the prosecution more than the defense from the time I started watching.
Blah, blah, blah, sex, blah, sex, blah, blah… haha, Martinez is falling asleep
Graceinthehills writes ( snipped):
they are more than 300 miles unaccounted for- we dont know where she went or for how long we know she was somewhere in the desert at some point she threw the gun
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Just to get this out here , I have had an opinion of where the gun ended up that I haven’t gone into before because it is pure speculation, and its relevance is, well, I dunno- again, just a thought
BUT
There is a lot of WATER involved in the mix.
Travis dead body left in the shower.
Water used to clean up the crime scene.
empty water cup left on floor
Camera in washing machine,water-
Arias saying she may have left the knife in the dishwasher.
Floor cleaning equipment left awkwardly in living room, would have needed water to function.
Arias claimed using water to clean herself off when she looks down and sees the blood.
She said this happened right before she got to Hoover Dam. ( LOTS of water)
What resonates is that water is a recurring theme element in the crime.
So my little amateur sleuth thing is that, with all this connection of getting rid of evidence with water, she would have thrown the gun, knife, in the water also.
is it possible that because she was in the desert, she had to travel more miles to find a body of water?
In her testimony, when a juror asked her if there were any fantatasies Travis had proposed that she refused, she said that he wanted to have sex on the hood of the car. She said that she could not find a place on a highway that they could pull off and do so undetected, and so she wouldn’t go for it.
To me, in this way, she reveals her mind works in a way that is oriented toward how to hide behavior, as well as acknowledging that you cant just pull over and do something undetected. So to hide evidence she would have had to make a real trek off the path, off the road…
She is obviously a very image oriented person, very detail oriented. used to focusing on detail in images Tossing evidence out of her car into a deserted landscape in the dark- doesn’t fit. Whatever she did with the gun ( at least) was highly purposeful.
I have always thought that she would have gotten rid of the gun immediately. She left the house when the sun was still up- very light dusk in Arizona where the sun set on June 4th at 7:40 p,m, ( travis roomate back at house at 6:30)
I posted once, had the street sewer line been checked for evidence, Blink pointed out yes, but due to circumstances, five days after murder.
I still think that weapon (s) are in the water somewhere, the same way that so much evidence was was washed away by Arias.
QUESTION:
As I understood the jury instructions- they are ALLOWED to take what THEY have learned from this trial and put it together. Will they be crime sleuths on their own, come up with a different theory?
Or do they have to vote for or against based ONLY on what the State has given them as the States scenario?
And btw, Nurmi isnt very compelling, unless you have already decided she is innocent.
I wish JM had included in his skateboarders discussion that when pulled over, Arias said ” oh that must have been some friends playing a trick on me” Just the fact that she gave an excuse for the liscence plates being upside down, citing friends instead of skateboarders. Wish JM could have shown photos of the parking lot.
Nurmi continues to trash Travis Alexander after he’s accused him of pedophilia and abuse. I would sue him for character assassination. There is absolutely no basis for his statement.
I thought Jim was very effective. Maybe I missed it though…..did he summarize the magazine fiasco where jodi so obviously was attempting to manipulate and deceive? I do not remember all of the details, but it was brought up early in trial before her tv interviews took place?
J.M. Not Jim! Darn ipad and auto correct!
@whodunit
There’s been a lot of speculation the items are in the Hoover Dam. No offense but, who cares!? If this was REALLY Travis’ gun then Arias would volunteer to go under hypnosis to ‘remember’ where HIS gun is because if they found HIS gun, it would exonerate her.
I pray this jury is sophisticated enough and really can peel away this ugly veneer that, Arias lied about and Nurmi is swearing to.
Juan is doing an okay job but besides that Perry Mason moment with the SLC gas receipts, he really hasn’t given me an ‘aha’ moment. So I am left to think on my own (which at times, can be interesting).
If we all know this person was not only a stalker but a thief, liar and tire-slasher, the jury has to have something tangible to sink their teeth into as to WHY Travis would’ve gone to bed with her one more time (which, I don’t believe he did and where I think the State may have issue).
Looks like Wilmott came out of her stupor a little since the morning recess but, WOW. She looked stoned and totally disconnected.
Blink, whose phone went off in the court room? Do you know?
I’m mortified and beyond disgusted that the pedophile angle was EVER allowed. It’s fabricated bullshevik….with forged letters by JA, to prove it was nothing more than an after thought (years after Travis’ murder). DAMN…she must be proud of herself. The fact the state couldn’t reveal this morbid stunt, pulled by JA, during the trial, is ghastly crazy infuriating!!!!!!! How could the judge allow the defense to proceed with this?
WARNING….upcoming mood swing….may cause whiplash….
Light bulb moment…..Jodi recorded those sex conversations w/o Travis’ knowledge. She must have threatened/blackmailed him with those conversations, HENCE, calling her a sociopath. He stood up to her, told her she was the worst thing that ever happened to him…and there’s the snap…imho.
She actually was using blackmail to keep him in her life. That is sooooo Fatal Attraction, and more than I initially realized.
Pray Pray Praying for Travis!!!!
~humbly and respectfully~
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I know. I could not have a bigger headache to drown it out so I figure I will go roll around in some pollen.
B
Holy allergies Batman. That was a bonfide LOL’er. It’s a gooder…and I AM SOOOOO GONNA REMEMBER IT!
Thank you for that much needed HEARTLY chuckle. Bless your heart, friendLY. xo
@ Futureman says:
May 3, 2013 at 11:30 am
…and the tears are rolling. I need to read before posting….apollies to the moderators.
I say Jonah Hill or Seth Rogen…oh oh oh….Danny DeVito…. should play Nurmi in Oscar winning life story film.
C word should be cast as J word.
Futureman says:
May 3, 2013 at 12:09 pm
How about this- because I thought it was hilarious and I needed a laugh before I hit myself with a gas can- I will ask-
Is it ok with you readers if I post something funny and very futureman he was concerned might offend some?
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I’m all for it! Not easily offended!
How LOW can this idiot sex-offending a$$hole attorney get? I can’t believe he’s playing snippets of a private phone conversation (that was surreptitiously recorded) and, out of context.
He better watch there isn’t a real pi$$ed off Alexander in his wake.
Unreal. He has hit a new low. I am disgusted by his ‘ladies and gentlemen’ tactics. He’s smearing Travis just to take the heat off his client.
Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ Lyla
“Nurmi continues to trash Travis Alexander after he’s accused him of pedophilia and abuse. I would sue him for character assassination. There is absolutely no basis for his statement.”
You may be on to something. I am interested to know the foundation of this “testimony” being allowed.
Arias looks like a praying mantis, evolved from the cockroach. Mantises are ambush predators, camouflage themselves and eat their own siblings.
May 3, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Futureman says:
May 3, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Oh post it we are adults and can “choose to say no….”
Hmmm….what doesn’t make sense, Nurmi, is why an individual who killed someone in self defense or in the heat of passion would go to the trouble to drag the body all the way back to the tub, attempt to clean up the scene AND manipulate evidence.
That’s exactly my problem. Who makes an accident or provoked attack look like a slaughter? Does not compute.
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Nurmi is as low as his name sounds. Hopefully the jury isn’t taken in by any of this. He maintains there is nothing about this that is planned. Since when is someone precluded from planning something that appears chaotic.
I find his remarks utterly useless and absolutely irrelevant.
voting yes futureman
do we need 12?
yes.
B
Unfortunately I don’t believe anyone can sue Nurmi for what he says even if unfounded. He is representing a client. He’s only regurgitating what his liar, I mean client, told him! If she said I assaulted her (even though I never met her) Nurmi can reiterate that (I think).
Defense attorneys are supposed to protect their clients Rights. Not lies. This is unbelievably bad and I wouldn’t be surprised if Nurmi finds a few slashed tires himself in the near future.
How can they sleep at night? Well, doesn’t look like Wilmott has slept in over a week but…….
Low lives attract low lives. Another law of attraction exemplified right here in the court room.
Inda says:
I find his remarks utterly useless and absolutely irrelevant.
In response to my own remarks above I would like to say, Nurmi’s comments do serve one purpose. They serve to convince me even more thoroughly that Arias is guilty of first-degree murder.
Was JA abused?
No.
Did she fear for her life?
No.
Is there evidence that she premeditated TA’s murder?
Yes, circumstantial.
Is there evidence that refutes premeditation?
Yes, the crime scene.
Do I hope I my interpretation of what the jury will decide is wrong?
Yes.
Tis that very cluster, yes.
B
I really liked kurt nurmi’s closing argument so much more than martinez’ martinez likes to listen to himself and he is losing the point. In the process I am sooo tired of hearing his voice’. He didn’t even proved how the murder happened.. I don’t believe the medical examiner, the shot had to be the first.
I hope that the jurors are taking note of Arias shaking her head “no” as to certain facts of the killing cited by Martinez, during which time she earlier testified she was in a fog.
Jurors will be deliberating today.
@Jden
“Arias looks like a praying mantis, evolved from the cockroach. Mantises are ambush predators, camouflage themselves and eat their own siblings.”
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She better be praying for her life as it’s now in the hands of the jury. Anything less than LWOP would be no justice for Travis Alexander. It would not surprise me if she gets the DP which she so richly deserves.
@Futureman
If I am reading a bunch of serious stuff and run into humor it takes the stress away
One of our other posters often makes me smile or laugh
I appreciate that
This is a very serious case we all know it
Nurmi saying he did not like Jodi really shocked me
9 days out of 10
Why didn’t Jodi shoot Travis in the back or while he was asleep
Maybe she wanted Travis to see her face to face and know it was her
I think Futureman is hilarious. I look forward to reading hi potentially offensive quip!
Please post the funny from @futureman I think after 4 months of pure drama we are all ready for a little comic relief as we chew our nails waiting for the verdict
Heavy D Nurmi literally made me consider a sharp object to the eardrum today….his monotonous monotone is sooo…….uninspiring, uninteresting, ….. I’m not sure what the perfect word is but I’m pretty sure it starts with “un”
I was pretty pleased with “The Prosecutor” yesterday…I think he finally laid out a cohesive timeline the jury could follow (whether or not you agree with his version is neither here nor there) but at least he made sense of some of his meandering thru out the trial. I was a little surprised by some of his comments and vocabulary, but very entertained.
San Franciscan Fog
Migratory Wildabeast Stampede
Thats how those kids are down in Pasadena
Skateboarders and screw drivers
I know there were more but those stuck out
Speaking of lightening the mood. .has anyone read the Egg Tree News blog…hilarious and creative if not and you enjoy a little parody. Check out eggtreenews.wordpress.com
Fingers Eyes and Toes crossed she is found guilty and the Alexander family can have a bit of peace finally
Sure, Blink, cue the Futureman. I’m sure we’re all practiced in the art of Scroll and Roll.
Besides, after the most heinous, soul-less, unreasonably without merit homicide committed
“Murder most foul, as in the best it is, but this most foul, strange and unnatural.” Hamlet, Act 1, scene 5
It is unlikely than anyone among us would be offended by something meant merely as a run-afoul joke.
I published it earlier this afternoon, I think perhaps one needs to check older comments since this thread was moving so fast. Was also an “in the moment” thing, lol
B
Twitch, I did find the EggTreeNews yesterday and died for laughter, more than once. Love that humor. Much needed.
And, yes… the migratory wildabeast stampede is the BEST.
I am already feeling the pangs of JM withdrawal.
OT – I just received a juror questionnaire in the mail. In all these years, nothing ’til now. Wonder if I’ll be called.
I cannot find Future Man comment, waited all day. Arrrgh,where is it?
Futureman Says:
Gotta give Nurmi some love here in Blinkland. He is sexier than an Amish man eating a banana. And for my part, his voice relaxes my bladder. Is it just me?
B
Here is a breakdown of the jury, who now holds Jodi Arias fate. Interesting mix.
Here is what our HLN and In Session producers have noticed about the jury. The following descriptions are intended to give a snapshot of each juror’s reaction to Arias’ testimony. An arbitrary number has been assigned to each juror to protect their identities. You may notice some numbers are missing or out of order, because some jurors were kicked off the panel that was originally made up of 18 jurors.
Juror 1
White Female, in her 60s
Short dark hair, wears glasses
Sat closest to the witness stand
Did not look at Arias during her testimony
Yawned during an emotional part of Arias’ testimony
Juror 2
White Male, in his 50s
Salt and pepper hair
Took a few notes
Cupped his head in his hand as he listened to testimony
Juror 3
White Female, in her 40s
Brunette with bangs
Took a lot of notes
Watched the prosecutor as he moves about the courtroom
Observed submitting questions
Juror 4
White Male, in his 60s
Bald
Took a few notes
Juror 6
White female, in her 60s
Hair is cut short brown with blonde streaks
Was a prolific note taker
Juror 7
White male, in his 30s
Married
Dark brown hair
Took some notes
He is a nail biter
Juror 9
White male, in his 60’s
Long white hair is worn in a ponytail
Wore denim most days
Sat at the end of the jury box furthest from the witness
Sat closest to the first row of the gallery where Alexander’s family sits
Juror 12
White Male, in his 40’s
Receding brown hair
Favors polo shirts and khakis
Occasionally took notes
Juror 13
White Male, is late 20s to early 30s
Appears to be the youngest member of the jury
Took only a few notes
Smiled when Martinez asked Arias if she could predict the future
Juror 14
White Male, in his early 60s
Balding, and wears glasses
He swiveled in his chair often
Smokes cigarettes
Did not appear to be take notes
Juror 16
White female, in her 40’s
Dark reddish brown hair with bangs
Wears glasses
Took notes
Swiveled in her chair in direction of Arias during her testimony
Juror 18
White Male, in his 70s
Married
Possibly former military
Has a tattoo on right arm above the wrist
Only took a few notes
The alternates:
Juror 10
White female, in her 40s
Sat in the second row next to a column
Occasionally took notes
Her Gaze wandered over the gallery during sidebar
Juror 15
White male, in his late 60’s/early 70’s
Wears audio-enhancing headsets provided by the court
Took notes
Observed submitting questions
Juror 17
White Female, in her 30s
Married
Prolific note taker
Appears to suffer from a cold or allergies
Sat in one of the most distant seats from the witness stand
Did not gaze at Arias during her testimony and tended to look straight ahead or down at her notes
Observed submitting questions
The jurors dismssed from the case:
Juror 5
She is a married, white female in her 30s. She sat on the edge of her seat and is the most visible juror from the gallery because she had a “unique hair style.”
Juror 5 got the boot the first week of April after the defense charged that she was “not fair and impartial” when she made some undisclosed statements related to the trial.
Juror 8
He is a white male in his 50s and is married. He also took notes and had been observed submitting questions. Juror 8 was removed from the panel for unknown reasons.
Juror 11
Juror No. 11 was released from service earlier this month due to illness. An HLN producer inside the courtroom says Juror No. 11 was the only juror who appeared to be a minority. He is Hispanic and has a long ponytail.
Well here we go with the verdict watch. I certainly hope and pray for justice for Travis and his family.
12 plus for futureman!
Missed nurmi afternoon therefore no overall opinion.
But on audio only re morning, from the perspective of a juror,
or the perspective of an attorney, imo he was excellent.
@Malty. If attorneys of any specialty took only clients they liked,
they’d have very few clients. Maybe some country club chums ala Centre
County. I thought Nurmi tried to get out of this. If anyone writes a book, his is
the interesting one imo.
My guess is 2nd degree unkess Foreman is charismatic & very pro
murder 1. I heard only part of JM closing closing & felt he strained.