Missing NC Woman Holly Fischer ( UPDATE BODY FOUND): Pending Divorce From Ali Girit Upset Her- Tennesse Police Ask For Public Help
Holly Christine Fischer, 39, has been missing since Monday May 27th. (UPDATE: THE BODY OF HOLLY FISCHER HAS BEEN LOCATED NEAR HER CAR, WHICH WENT OVER A CLIFF OFF OF 16 IN NC)
Courtesy Holly Fischer
She has not been seen nor heard from since leaving her parents’ home in Knoxville, TN according to a missing persons report filed by her Father Ted.
Ted Fischer described his daughter as “upset” when she left the home Memorial Day- over her pending divorce from estranged husband Ali Ozan Girit. Fischer states that he spoke to Girit and inquired as to his daughter’s whereabouts but Girit proclaimed he has not seen Holly since she left Tennessee.
Holly Fischer, a graduate of The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and Parsons School of Design was a regional sales manager for Discovery Communications through last year.
She has worked in the fashion and design industry for brands like Club Monaco and DKNY.
Girit, a competitive bodybuilder and training manger of LA Fitness according to his linked in profile, signed over a deed to the couples Huntersville home in January of this year. Girit is a former resident of Weehawken, NJ and worked security in New York City in 2009.
Holly Fischer left her parents’ home in Knox County on Monday May 27th and friend Liz Stafford Ajello called the Fischer’s when Holly had not arrived by Wednesday. Ms. Ajello went as far as to suggest foul play is involved in Holly’s disappearance. Police are focusing their efforts on the area approximately 100 miles away based on pings from Fischers phone in Ashe and Wilkes counties.
Coward said Fischer’s father told authorities his daughter was upset about her upcoming divorce.
“Her parents seem to think she might have decided to go to Ashe County, to collect herself,” said Liz Stafford, who said she has been a friend of Fischer’s for more than 20 years, dating back to their days as students at Charlotte Latin School.
Holly is believed to be driving her vehicle- a UPDATE: DARK GRAY* 2004 Infinity FX 35 and was last seen in Newport wearing a white blouse, denim shorts and sandals. She is blonde with brown eyes, approximately 5’10” and 140 lbs.
Her license plate is registered in North Carolina DMV and is XYH6678. The Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) is JNRAS08W64X203396
Anyone that may have seen her or her vehicle is asked to contact 911
*There is scratches on the driver side mirror and and along the front fender. For the auto and auto salvage/impound community the actual factory color is Beryllium 16.
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I found strange story about this accident site online the “Jumping Off Place.” It seems a young woman was murdered there in January,1984 when her body was thrown from the cliff by Richard Bare. In December of that same year the police discovered her remains while searching that area for a stolen safe that had reportedly been thrown from above.
Bare was arrested and charged with Sherry’s murder in March of 1995. He denied any involvement and escaped from jail before he went to trial. He hasn’t been seen since.
Ms. Fischer would have been 20 at the time of the murder so she may have known about it.
“An N.C. Highway Patrol spokesman and others at the scene said there was no evidence of the car’s brakes being applied on N.C. 16, an asphalt parking lot or grass before it went down the embankment.”
Sadly, this could also possibly indicate sleep deprivation or a hypnotic effect of highway driving resulting in falling asleep behind the wheel.
Also, with no indications of brake marks, I expect they will inspect the vehicle for all things brake related like a brake fluid leak.
Unfortunately wpg, an issue like that is going to be very difficult, the car was only slighty larger than a salvage cube.
B
Inda says: I found strange story about this accident site online the “Jumping Off Place.” It seems a young woman was murdered there in January,1984 when her body was thrown from the cliff by Richard Bare. In December of that same year the police discovered her remains while searching that area for a stolen safe that had reportedly been thrown from above.
Bare was arrested and charged with Sherry’s murder in March of 1995. He denied any involvement and escaped from jail before he went to trial. He hasn’t been seen since.
Ms. Fischer would have been 20 at the time of the murder so she may have known about it.
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Badly written. Richard Bare was charged in ’85 not ’95. Holly would have been very young at the time, only eleven.
So the cell phone was on and LE would still know where it is? Will anyone be able to retrieve it? Surely, it would give a timeline and be valuable evidence. Will we find out why everyone was asked to change car color in BOLO? That was odd, considering the changed color was incorrect. Also, who is the family friend on the motorcycle that found the accident location? With no skid mark and no indication of an accident that was pretty difficult. Holly appeared to be a very responsible adult. Did you check her driving record, Blink? IDK…I feel LE should dig deeper into this accident. It seems too convenient and too easy a way to end a sticky divorce. JMO
I don’t believe we have an accurate ping study so I don’t know.
B
do we know if she was found inside the car? I’ve driven the blue ridge parkway, in fact I think it’s one of the most beautiful highways in our country. I remember seeing a Dateline episode once of a man who staged a murder by making it look like a car accident on a very very dangerous stretch of a highway in North Carolina (not sure if it was blue ridge or not) but it went through the smokey mountains. I keep trying to google to find the exact case but I can’t find it. Basically, the car went off the road and the occupants died but after a few weeks they determined it was a homicide. I am trying really hard to remember the details, but i’m pretty sure he told the victim (it was either his wife or neighbor and had something to do with a vacation home they had in the area) that he had to stop real fast, I think he put the car in neutral and pushed it over the edge with the victim still inside. I will need to go back and keep trying to find this case so I can provide a link. Sorry for the lack of a link, maybe someone else here remember what case I’m talking about.
Per this article:
http://www.journalpatriot.com/news/article_221257fe-cc79-11e2-a8f7-0019bb30f31a.html#user-comment-area
“Authorities said the car apparently went through a 30-foot-wide opening between the end of a metal guardrail and a light pole along the east side of N.C. 16 while being driven northbound up the mountain. They said it went straight off the road instead of turning left in a curve at this point.”
She was travelling UP the mountain. This basically excludes brake failure or sabotage as a cause of the wreck.
She also went through a 30 ft gap. For a driver to be so distracted that she didn’t realize when she ran into the grass and never make any effort to correct course and then pass through the eye of the needle is also very unlikely. Even if her brakes had failed, most panicked drivers would make an effort to turn the car.
I believe that LE has the information they need to determine if foul play was involved.
1) The ping record – were there any unexplained stops or detours. Equally important, the timing of her arrival at the scene. This apparently occurred on Memorial Day and I suspect traffic would be heavier than normal with weekenders returning home. It would be risky to try and stage a crime like this in the daytime.
2) The husband’s alibi. Where were they supposed to transfer the car? Where is he currently living? I assume he has moved out of the house, but haven’t seen documentation.
3) Video from McDonald’s (I hope). Was she alone? Did she meet someone?
If the husband has a verifiable alibi and there are no gaps in her ping course, then suicide is most likely. I could easily picture thai latest harassment from her soon-to-be-ex while she was celebrating a holiday with her family to be the last straw. Maybe she faked an accident to save her family from the grief of dealing with a suicide. If there are gaps, or positive autopsy findings then more investigation is needed.
This was a “missing person” for over a week before it became a car accident, so hopefully, LE had already done a good bit of background checking.
I also hope the highway department will extend to guardrail to cover the 30 ft. gap.
I am about 70% ready to say this was no accident and this was not a suicide. I am seeing that her phone last pings on Thursday. Even if her cell survives that crash, which I highly doubt in the first place, there is no way it stays charged from Monday to Thursday.
B
Blink says–I am about 70% ready to say this was no accident and this was not a suicide. I am seeing that her phone last pings on Thursday. Even if her cell survives that crash, which I highly doubt in the first place, there is no way it stays charged from Monday to Thursday.
Hmmm–Any indications via pings she could have actually made it back to Charlotte but obviously not to her current home/roommate? Or even partially back in the Charlotte area to “hand over” that vehicle?
One of the articles listed above says the vehicle was about 1/2 a mile off down the mountain. I have a terrible mind-spatial realization gene, but I’ve been in our NC mountains. That seems like a LONG way down, with trees and shrubs and rock jutouts potentially running interference to slow or stop a vehicle. Rocks could acts a “bouncer” to deflect something further out, as well, I suppose. Would that distance indicate a very high rate of speed off that seemingly “targeted” going-off section? It the vehicle cleared the edge and sailed, it seemingly could land further down. And, if that’s the case, going up the mountain? Healing thoughts to her family and friends, my goodness.
Hugs from NC
Tar Heel gal
I can’t speculate as to speed or distance from a news article. In analysis speak this is a flat physics protocol. I would all the collected raw data I hope LE reconstructions are working with. As a safety measure , I hope her family hired her own set of experts.
In context, Georgia Dad described the point of entry best as threading. Needle. Nobody wil want to hear this, but I can tell this will come down to what her family believes
There’s some confusion as to the date of the cellphone ping. I’m seeing two sources that are reporting it was on Monday. But others are saying Thursday.
Charlotte Observer:
“The last signal received was in North Wilkesboro, about 5 p.m. on Monday.”
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/06/03/4082670/report-car-of-missing-charlotte.html
WCNC
“We know that at 5:58 p.m. on Monday, Holly was in North Wilkesboro,” said her longtime friend Liz Stafford Ajello. Park Police say Holly’s cellphone was pinged on park property, giving search operations a more specified area to look.
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Friends-to-search-for-missing-charlotte-woman-sunday-209834651.html
Holly’s family knows that road well and they know how Holly drove. If they are suspicious about the event, they may have substantiating information.
I don’t like the husband and I wonder if Holly’s being upset may have had something to do with not being understood by her family, however, I don’t suspect a homicide at this time.
Distracted driving may have been a factor and I can totally see myself driving off a curve, if it was dark.
Rest in Peace, pretty Lady. Blinksters will keep up the search for truth.
If Miss Fischer decided to turn back around North Wilkesboro and visit her parents condo at the Mountain Aire golf course in West Jefferson NC it is not inconceivable that she would have taken a route that took her along NC 16 N and around this curve. This is one of two routes that comes up on my phone when I map between these points. Several reasons come to mind why she may have visited her parents condo that day.
To my knowledge and according to LE she did not.
Inda- I apologize if I have not welcomed you properly to BOC. Warm Welcome to you and I have found your posts to be well researched and progressive.
B
If Holly were returning to Charlotte after the holiday weekend, I would think she’d be ready to get home, unpack, kick back and prepare for the work week. Ms. Fischer doesn’t strike me as suicidal? Of course, I didn’t know her but have read many comments made by friends. I remember being separated from my cheating husband. I was initially t – total devastated, then really peeved. It definitely was suicide I was feeling. I just don’t want Holly’s estranged husband to benefit in any way from this tragic event.
Oops, Blink…I meant to type “was not suicide…”
Holly Fischer wrecked car :
http://www.journalpatriot.com/news/article_a1824cc4-ce09-11e2-9582-001a4bcf6878.html
Just have to say I find it hard to think foul play at this point. I’m leaning towards suicide or distracted driver. Also, I don’t think it’s out of the question for her phone to stay charged from Monday to Thursday. I got a new phone last week – charged it thursday night and didn’t have to charge it till Tuesday evening. I’ll wait to see what the family thinks but I think she was upset, maybe crying, and it was a terrib;e accident.
IMO: LE needs to investigate this to the fullest extent. There are way to many variables: The pings, the route, who stops to gas up and chooses McDonalds for their last meal if they are committing suicide. For a vehicle going in that direction and that speed to make it through that small opening (thread the needle) is suspicious. They need to thoroughly look over her phone records and the folks she was in touch with 24 hours prior to disappearance. Verify with search teams that they completely searched that exact area before calling off search and did not locate and/or see anything- Making it suspicious was vehicle taken there after search? The toxicology and Autopsy the will tell somewhat of the matter. They need to verify if she was wearing the same clothing as to when she left her parents. They need to fully check the vacant house that someone called in noticing empty bottles of bleach, fogged windows, palm prints and fresh tire tracks that is close to where vehicle located. The location is suspicious in itself as other cases have happened there. The likelihood of that phone staying charged from Monday to Thursday is very slim. If it was plugged into the vehicle there is no way the battery survived that impact. Although she is an adult her soon to be X was waiting on her Monday and for him to not be concerned where she was and wait till Wednesday when he demanded she return in Monday is awkward. The roommate knew she was coming home and she did not make any attempt to contact parents till Wednesday. That is strange as well.. The parents need to hire a Private Investigator and push LE for a though investigation. JMO.
Here is the bottom line, and I say this respectfully and with hurt in my heart for Holly’s family. If they believe that Holly committed suicide, this is over. There is no way in the world that it could have been accidental, although I realize nobody likes the odds being suicide or foul play but this location, the complete absence of any attempts to correct the vehicle PRIOR to getting even close enough to “thread the needle”.
It is either a suicide, or foul play, imo.
Which immediately makes this a forensic case. If Holly were my family member I would have informed LE that I wanted to be kept in step with every development in the medico legal investigation and a copy of her cell ping study to start. If it can be determined that her phone was indeed powered off between the Monday pings and Thursday pings they will know the times and locations.
If anyone in her family circle is reading this and would like to contact me personally I would be glad to put them in touch with who would be my first call. Dr. Aarpad Voss. He would be the only one I would trust to determine a post mortem interval in this case.
I saw a post of who I believe to be her sister who was very angry and upset that an article was written ( examiner, lol, so for lack of a better term) questioning whether Holly was suicidal. I took that as a sign that she adamantly felt that was impossible. It was before Holly was located however.
Complex cases need complex investigations specialists so I hope that is what is occurring.
B
not sure where to post this blink but my neighbor growing up died in the building collapse in philly yesterday. anyone on here who prays, please keep her and her family in your prayers. She was only in her early 20′s
Thanks for putting that information out there, Blink. I sure hope Holly’s friends and family are reading. I pray for them all and hope they find some answers. Also, Sunshine, I’m sorry for your loss. God bless.
I have kept up with this thread since the beginning.
I was sorry to read that Holly is no longer alive.
thanks to everyone who has brought over updates
Detective 5050, you wrote about a vacant house with what could be evidence- can you link me to that info as i seem to have missed it?
I agree with Blink and others there should be an investigation. It does seem very peculiar that Holly would kill herself in that manner- I mean if she wanted to die by driving she could have ran herself into a brick building or a huge tree…
and it has been my experience that women more often than not leave suicide notes and make goodbye calls or trips…
Blink you wrote:
“There is no way in the world that it could have been accidental, although I realize nobody likes the odds being suicide or foul play but this location, the complete absence of any attempts to correct the vehicle PRIOR to getting even close enough to “thread the needle”.
It is either a suicide, or foul play, imo.”
—I agree that given all the evidence or lackthereof this seems to be the case
But FWIW if she fell asleep at the wheel or was looking at her phone to text
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/parents-texting-driving-victim-release-final-text-public-article-1.1313520
then it might be the reason why there was no evidence of skidmarks or other …
I tried to find the link to this story but was unable..but FWIW I am aware of a woman who was driving at night along a dark road near a manmade lake (no trees surrounding it there was a fence but sin several areas i there were gaps…anyway, it was drizzlly she made a turn in the road and somehow ended up driving right off into the lake- she never braked or anything and she was unable to get out and sadly perished..
There have been a few other stories i have read over the years of people driving at night and not realizing where they are and either driving into a lake or off a droppoff .. a few
what was the weather like and how dark was the road?
again there is a chance it was accidental but I agree with you it seems farfetched right now
My prayers to her family and friends
AJMO
Peace
Mom 3.0 – She was not driving at night – She left her parents shortly after noon on Monday. From researching the weather it was clear- No rain or fog. As for the vacant house – A local made a telephone call apparently to someone indicating that there is a vacant house that needs to be checked into where she observed bleach bottles outside, steamed glass with palm prints, fresh tire marks. This call was made PRIOR to Holly being located. The vacant house turns out to be extremely close to where she was located. Again, there has been some strange activity up where all this took place over the years. Unfortunately, if her parents do not wish to push to seek the facts by employing the services of professionals on their own, the probability of ever knowing is very slim if we have to bank on LE to do there job thoroughly. If I were in their shoes I would not be able to have closure until I exhausted every possible avenue -Unless the parents know something none of us know ie: letter left, statement she might have made, etc.JMO
Thinking about her pings of her cell phone. If an adult falls off the map as far as contacting people who are looking for her how soon can authorities start trying to locate her cell phones location? Would a warrant be needed? Is it possible that LE did not have permission until Thursday to try and locate it?
I am not sure, but I hear the NSA and The President have all that information should we need it.
Sorry, I could not resist- I refuse to write on politics but I am completely and utterly floored at that development I may start.
That is an excellent question, and there is very specific protocol per service provider which is non-public but is received by those of us working in the capacity as criminal analysts, etc. I can’t say if her provider allowed immediate access to LE, and to what extent, that info would have to come from them, but it appears they had it in pretty short order.
I can tell you LE has way more “access” than a family member or parent does of an adult- unless they have access to their actual online accounts, etc.
B
Hope it is fully investigated, but, if not an accident, the odds that it is suicide over foul play are enormous IMO. It was specifically mentioned she was upset when she left. That is usually mentioned because there is a fear in minds that she might hurt herself. Then they find her car driven over a cliff?
I agree the odds are in favor of a suicide but there is a long way to go from an evidentiary perspective.
I do believe at any rate they will come to a conclusive resolution- eventually.
B
Ask questions and I will answer what I can.
Should I know what this is in reference to? If you need to have a post private just mark the first line private and only you and I will see it until I delete it. Awaiting moderation means only available to you and I.
B
I believe I can help answer some questions folks may have in regards to Holly.
Understood, Jazz93, but as the editor here, I will need to vett you first, that is protocol. I will absolutely protect your privacy, it will remain private and confidential but I need to know who you are and how you know Holly- to be able to verify you as someone my readers can ask questions of. The integrity requirements here are that stringent. Can I reach you at the private email you provided?
B
Yes you can reach me via the address I provided.
I have, will await your response and thank you.
B
ETA: For those following Holly’s case- JAzz93 has been confirmed by me personally and you are welcome to ask any questions of her, with the expectations of moderation rules of course.
Welcome jazzy93- and I am so sorry for your loss.
B
Jazz-First of all, I too am very sorry for your loss. I am curious if family and friends think this an accident? Do you know if Holly’s phone was found?
Hello Jazz93 and welcome. I wish the circumstances were happier that bring you here. My condolences.
This incident appears to be something more than an accident. Ms. Fischer’s roommate was quoted as saying early on she thought there may have been foul play. Do you agree with that?
Are the police conducting an investigation and is Ms. Fisher’s husband a subject of investigation?
Do you know why Ms. Fischer would have been in the area where her body was found?
Some news accounts say Ms. Fischer drove to Charlotte before heading to North Wilkesboro. Do you know if that is the case?
Finally some newspapers reported a cell phone ping on Thursday while others reported the last ping 3 days earlier on Monday. Do you know which is true?
Thank you.
Hi Jazz93-
Again- so so sorry for the loss of Holly. She appears to be someone I would befriend had I the chance- very smiley and liking to have a good time.
I was wondering, I realize her folks have a house somewhere up that way- but other than that- to your knowledge, would Holly have had any prior reason to have traveled that route in the past or been familiar with that roadway?
Did she know of the Jumping off place as it has been dubbed?
How long has her divorce been pending and if I may ask who initiated it?
I want to extend my condolences once again for tomorrow as you all celebrate Holly’s life and reflect on the wonderful memories you all will have for a lifetime. Thanks for joining us and welcome. Eloise.
Jazzy93, I am also sorry for your loss as you must have known Holly. She was a beautiful young lady. Early on there was discussion that her husband had another girl friend. If this was true it appears he was moving on with his love life. Was this what Holly was upset over or were there financial problems they still where at odds with?
One more question, Jazz…why was the color description of Holly’s car changed and who initiated that? Sending warmth and sunshine from Florida as you celebrate Holly’s life.
Hi Jazz93 — My deepest condolences for the loss of Holly. And thank you for offering to answer questions.
Would you be willing to share your opinion on what happened to Holly that day? What do her family and friends believe happened?
I hope the service for Holly went well today. I am so touched by all of her talent, hard work, and success. But what lifts and stretches my heart is the great love of her family and friends.
I am sorry she left this life in the way that she did and I pray for healing–for the comfort and peace that is hard won in the throes of grief.
Holly will be missed.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/charlotte/obituary.aspx?n=holly-fischer&pid=165176397&fhid=5163#fbLoggedOut
I’m just an outsider with a lot of “Columbo” in me. Ever since I heard about Holly’s disappearance and subsequent discovery I have been puzzled. I thought as information came in I would be less so. Each new release has only made me more puzzled. I try to look at every detail and new item critically. I have even gotten on Google Earth and “driven” rt 16 at that spot 25 times or more. I’ve calculated speeds, angles and road conditions in my head. I’ve read everything that those who have known Holly have written. I’ve looked at all the pictures friends have posted. As an objective stranger with no “lean” in any direction, I just cannot buy either accident OR suicide in this case. ACCIDENT? People talk about inattention, dozing, fog, darkness, curvy road being a cause. Baloney! That is the most forgiving curve I’ve seen. It is UPHILL and 2 1/2 times wider than a simple 2 lane road with all the additional pavement on the right. Even falling asleep is a problem because the curve would have to be partially negotiated already. If you fall asleep you would let up on the gas the car would continue going straight at that point and slow down (if the difference in the sound of the pavement did not wake you up). Falling asleep BEFORE you enter the turn will run you into the building. If you are aware enough of a curve to partially navigate it you are not asleep,. Did she have a medical problem like diabetes, etc? Even still, the factor to consider about an accident is the ANGLES. At the point you reliquish control of the car it starts going straight and on this road starts slowing down. Knowing that, trying to make it go through that gap at the angle the police have marked (yellow paint as seen from a helicopter above) just doesn’t work. SUICIDE:? Her life from what I’ve seen doesn’t fit a suicidal person (even one going through a divorce). Most people going through a upsetting divorce are more interested in the divorcer dropping dead instead of themselves. She has way too many loving, caring and connected friends and family to consider. Most suicidal people use it as a manipulative maneuver (that’s why they threaten or communicate their intent first). Besides, again, being familiar with the road (it’s the way to the condo), the larger gap to the right of the pole and to the left of the building would be the most likely way to go. FOUL PLAY? I won’t give my opinions about that because they are just speculation and not facts, but if I were investigators I would certainly be looking at all possiblities of motives and methods.
In response to Jane’s question
“Jazz-First of all, I too am very sorry for your loss. I am curious if family and friends think this an accident? Do you know if Holly’s phone was found?
*Thank you. The family and friends have been through a tremendous amount over the week. All of the details have not been released. Specifics pertaining to the calls as well as the phone have not been openly discussed. However, there are many questions.
One more question, Jazz…why was the color description of Holly’s car changed and who initiated that? Sending warmth and sunshine from Florida as you celebrate Holly’s life.”
*From my understanding the call was made to change the description on Holly’s vehicle to not confuse folks as there is a silver (like on a can) or a dark gray(Graphite) hoping in search efforts this would be clearer when looking for her vehicle. Thank you for the sunshine today.
In response to Inda
“This incident appears to be something more than an accident. Ms. Fischer’s roommate was quoted as saying early on she thought there may have been foul play. Do you agree with that?”
* I am not aware of the roommate making any statements early on that she felt there may have been foul play. However, a HS friend did state she felt there was definitely foul play. I concur.
“Are the police conducting an investigation and is Ms. Fisher’s husband a subject of investigation?”
* I do not have the answer to this question but Id hope that there is no leaf left unturned.
“Do you know why Ms. Fischer would have been in the area where her body was found?”
* I am unsure why she was in the area her body was found at. This is not a typical route. Still many questions.
“Some news accounts say Ms. Fischer drove to Charlotte before heading to North Wilkesboro. Do you know if that is the case?”
*It was stated in initial reports,she left her parents around noon on Monday May 27,2013. 12:00PM
Based on GPS drive times
Distance from Downtown Knoxville,Tn to I77 is~212 miles, which would take roughly 3:50 minutes. 3:50PM -> 3hrs:50 Mins
She stopped in Newton,TN for gas and food,so add an additional 10-15mins to the driving time. 4:00PM -> 10 Mins
From there it is said,she headed north on I77 to 421 then to Hwy 16 towards Wilkes County,Millers Creek area,which is 40 miles,50 60 mins from the I77/I40. 5:00PM -> 1 hr
Approximate Travel Time: 5 hrs
“Finally some newspapers reported a cell phone ping on Thursday while others reported the last ping 3 days earlier on Monday. Do you know which is true?”
*The last ping was Thursday around 5:00PM as reported by media.
Hi Leland–
The reasons that may lead someone to suicide have little to do with how great their life may appear. Many going through a divorce may be struggling with feelings of sadness, regret, guilt and low self worth– regardless of how supportive their family and friends may be.
Some people are especially good at hiding their suicidal thoughts from those closest to them.
Mosaic- I do not believe the above is the case for Holly … Still many questions
Leland
Much of your analysis is logical. The key point to me is that the body was found not in the car, but near it.
Anyone driving in a road situation of this type would be wearing a seat belt. The belt, even if broken from the force of the drop, would have made marks across the body and clothing that could have been recognized by most.
If Blink’s analysis of the remains of the vehicle was total destruction to the point of being crushed to the near size of a salvage yard cube are true, then this means that Holly did not travel down the cliff inside the car.
This type of impact can “release” a victim even with a seat belt on. Once they determine if the rear of the vehicle or the front bumper of the car hit first, and utilize the State Police accident recon program which has some fairly robust db assumptions, they should be able to at least tell how fast she was going, and then of course any failures in the vehicle- I think they will findthe vehicle was traveling at a rate of speed inconsistent with an accidental event. There were 2 windows were out.
B
A careful autopsy will determine the most likely cause of death. Without further information, I am leaning to the point of foul play. I don’t believe this young woman is the type to take her own life.
@Jazz93: You and all of Holly’s family and friends have my deepest condolences. I hope all of you get the answers that will lead to the truth.
Dear Jazz93,
Based on the information you’ve provided and what I’ve read in online accounts including this website, this is my assumption concerning this incident. I believe the wreck was an accident. The thing that gives me the most difficulty with this assumption is the lack of braking.
Ms. Fischer typically took interstate 40 from her parents home to interstate 77. That route would have been consistent with meeting her former husband to pass off the SUV. But instead of turning south at interstate 77 Ms. Fisher chose to go north. That tells me she didn’t want the meeting for some reason.
Based on where her SUV was found I believe she made a last-minute decision to go to her parents condo at Mountain Aire golf club. Why would she change her destination without telling anyone when Charlotte was so close? She wanted to disappear for the night. She may have wanted her friends to be able to answer honestly, “I don’t know.” if asked where she was.
She went north on interstate 77 then turned back east on 421 before turning off at Highway 16, a route that would take her directly to the condo. Just after the curve where the car went off the road, highway 16 intersects the Blue Ridge Parkway. Ms. Fisher may have been distracted anticipating that intersection and had difficulty negotiating the curve.
This is of course complete conjecture on my part. I believe a ping study will aid immeasurably in determining what happened here. If the phone pinged around the time you would have expected her to arrive at the curve it will reinforce the idea that this was an accident. The autopsy and examination of the car may yield clues. The cell phone could prove to be invaluable in understanding what happened. I do believe you will have answers though it may take time.
Hopefully there’s something encouraging in what I’ve said. Believing the worst and wanting answers are both completely normal after something so devastating. Something inside of us is grappling with the issue, “How could this happen?” and struggling to get back some sense of control. Reaching out here is a good first step; don’t hesitate to reach out to others if you need to.
Inda- how would one know where and if they were actually meeting to “exchange” the car as opposed to a drop off? As her roomie did not show concern until Wed, I would say that perhaps those plans were not known- as it is likely “returning” the vehicle would mean she would need a new one. No evidence so far I am aware of that was in the works.
B
Jazz93 – I’m most interested in the “effective immediately” text received by Holly concerning the car. I feel like it would have angered her. Could have it been perceived as a threat? Is there some connection between this and the unexpected turn north on 77?
Leland- holly was a extremely strong and independent women. I can not answer how she may have perceived the text without seeing it first hand however, I do find the text message rather parcular and suspicious as the vehicle was Hollys… It’s unknown if there is any connection. Still many questions. I do find it rather odd that the ex is now in California…
Just a few things to keep in mind-
Hollys brother did not have a wedding on Memorial Day.
The Infinity was not the car that was involved with the ex husband.
There was a second car involved. The divorce was an amicable, as could be, divorce.
Hi ATG,
You had said, “I don’t believe this young woman is the type to take her own life.” With all due respect, how can we make that assumption? There is no “type” for someone that takes their life. Her father indicated that she was upset when she left their home so we cannot eliminate this as a possibility.
In college I had a professor in mass communications law who was a strong, independent woman. She was successful, accomplished, articulate and attractive. And she committed suicide. We cannot guess who is struggling with suicidal thoughts from exterior appearances.
Furthermore, I’m disturbed by the misperception in this comment by Leland (sorry, I’m not picking on you): “Most suicidal people use it as a manipulative maneuver (that’s why they threaten or communicate their intent first).” This is incorrect. ATTEMPTED suicide may be a desperate call for help, but this is very different than someone who chooses an un-doable method of ending their life.
I am not implying that Holly took her life — I just don’t think it should be eliminated as a possibility.
I am now puzzled by Jazz93′s last statement. The INFINITY WAS NOT the car that was involved with the ex husband. There was a second car involved.
This, to me anyway, seems like a very important piece of information to just now have coming out. Much has been made of the fact that no arrangements had been made for Holly to pick up a second car to drive after leaving this one with the ex husband.
It also confuses me because I wonder what car WAS involved. Was it in both of their names? Again, much has been made of why would the ex husband be entitled to a car that was in Holly’s name only.
Blink, after hearing this new piece of information concerning the car Holly was driving, does this alter your views about what you suspect happen?
Will the ex husband in some way have benefited from insurance due to Holly’s death?
Does the ex husband benefit financially from her death? If she had insurance who was her beneficiary? They don’t usually pay if suicide is found to be the cause of death.
I see he signed the deed of the house over in January. I presume this means he signed it over to Holly. Did she have to buy him out? The (ex)husband’s job, is it the type where he would have to remain in the area or could he transfer? Where was he currently living if no longer in the home? Was Holly living in the home with a roommate?
From the way I interpret the article Holly was currently unemployed. She was a regional sales manager through last year. What was she doing for income?
It is said he is now in California. Is this something to do with his work or is where the “supposed” girlfriend lives?
How did the husband get to California? Did he fly or did he drive the other car that we have no learned was the one in question?
Just trying to get a feel for the lay of the land here. What was their daily lives like? Is there a reason they didn’t have children?
tiberious- it does not change my opinion whatsoever, but if I were to “reach higher” I would say it makes my consideration of it lean away from suicide.
The fact is, that unless Holly had a living will, which had been revised following the separation- she died intestate.
That means “without a will”- by default, that equitable distribution aside, Ali Ozan Girit is her beneficiary.
I would need to access the docket really, which is not available publicly.
B
Sorry folks, just a few last thoughts and questions. If she were run off the road would there be scrape marks with the paint from the other car on her vehicle?
What other types of evidence would LE be looking for if another vehicle or person(s)involved?
I do not intend to cover Ms. Law’s death, I have some colleagues that would give me some pause about it being a conflict- but I do not believe foul play was involved in her death.
B
I picture some of those wild car chase scenes in my “Mannix” years. Could she have been forced off the road?
Mosaic- I’ll stick with what I observe in the people that know her best…people who are closer than I. That said, my description of suicidal people, even though flawed, was only a SECONDARY observation. The PRIMARY objection to self-destruction was the spot. To the right between the building and the light pole is a much more attractive area to spontaneously drive off of. The spot she did go off appears to be a more calculated place, one of great interest to a third party trying to stage an event such as this.
from wxii12,
June 3
(article snip)
“The car was going only 30-35 mph when it went over the embankment, troopers said.”
http://www.wxii12.com/news/local-news/foothills/search-continues-for-missing-woman-holly-fischer/-/10626528/20397462/-/ljlvv1/-/index.html#ixzz2VrFniuyW