Kyron Horman Exclusive Report: New Suspect And Botched Investigation Rumors Abound- Terri Horman Prepares To Fight For Couples Daughter Following Seclusion
If you are reading this and have followed the Kyron Homan disappearance coverage since he vanished from Skyline School on June 4th 2010, you know my coverage and commentary has focused on the macro analysis of the case details- both publicly available and via developed sources. This report contains newly released information known to law enforcement. It’s contents, to include reader commentary and moderation response, may not be reproduced or copied without express written consent by it’s author in accordance with applicable copyright law.
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Last Week’s Meet And Greet
On Tuesday July 30th, the attorneys representing Terri Moulton Horman, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young attended a series of case hearings. Not held in chambers as announced, but public guests were barred.
On the docket- Desiree Young’s “stay” status of the $10 million dollar civil tort action brought against Terri Horman and the dissolution (divorce and custody) litigation brought by Kaine Horman, Terri’s estranged husband. Until July 26th, there were additional hearings and status conferences scheduled for the recently renewed Freedom From Abuse and Protection Act (FAPA) motion to contest and compel depositions in the restraining order prohibiting Terri Horman from contact with the couple’s daughter Kiara, now 5 years old. Horman has not seen her daughter since June 2010 despite several attempts through counsel to arrange parenting time. Engel, one of the attorneys representing Kaine Horman, argues that the FAPA case is consolidated with the divorce action, and therefore stayed.
Peter Bunch, counsel for Terri Horman, argues that there is no consolidation order.
Non attorney’s still do not understand how the initial proceeding to renew the FAPA order occurred when the plaintiff failed to file the required motion and accompanying affidavits in advance as required, or even serve the respondent’s attorneys until ordered to do so by Judge Henry Kantor once the hearing commenced. Kantor ordered the renewal anyway. I will let the goodly Oregon bar members weigh in on that anomaly.
That was then. This is now.
As of July 31st, the FAPA restraining order was expired and a civil no contact order was put in its place. The dissolution matter (divorce) stay has been lifted and Desiree Young announced she was instructing her attorney’s to withdraw the $10 million dollar suit financed by public donations.
On the same front steps where Atty Rosenthal announced that they were launching the suit to peel the onion that is to include law enforcement, and to “make Terri Horman talk” was withdrawn in similar fashion.
However, on this occasion, Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill was not spotted on the steps observing. Rosenthal and Young indicated the recent appearance and testimony of former object of compulsion to testify, DeDe Spicher, as well as information that the investigative case file necessary (their words) to prove their claims would not be forthcoming. In an article analyzing the suit appearing on BOC it was predicted that Ms. Young would face possible countersuit and associated fees should the suit continue as filed.
Attorneys for both Kaine and Terri appeared before Multnomah County Circuit Family law Judge Susan Svetkey on August 1, 2013. Judge Svetkey is Houze’s wife. The docket information for that hearing has not yet been entered into the file as of this publication.
The only comment about the withdrawal of the civil tort action by Stephen Houze:
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
In recent interviews, Kaine Horman has intimated that his wife has expressed her desire to help find Kyron, or at least contribute to excluding herself as a possible suspect. He also admitted that he no longer has any communication with Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother. He sometimes wonders what law enforcement is actually doing on his son’s case. This is a firm departure from how Mr. Horman initially retained his six figure attorney Laura Rackner of Gearing, Rackner, and Engel & McGrath. Ms. Rackner appears to have promulgated her duties of late to her partner, Brett Engel.
This all seemed to start when formidable and well known tort Attorney Mark Wagner came out of retirement to appear as counsel for Terri Horman. Wagner and Rackner know each other, and Rackner is no stranger to LE –based dissolution entanglements.
In fact, Wagner represented her and her previous firm successfully.
Bagel Finagle
Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner is no stranger to law enforcement infused litigation. She is a former prosecutor for Oregon’s department of Justice, The U.S. Department of Justice, and Office of Chief Counsel. Ms. Rackner has specificity in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) casework.
Born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Laura received her B.S. in 1979 and her J.D. in 1984, both from the University of Oregon.
Prior to entering private practice, Laura served as deputy district attorney in the Marion County District Attorney’s Office; assistant attorney general in the Oregon Department of Justice; and on the staff of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Chief Counsel, Drug Enforcement Administration.
Record Scratch.
Martin Rob Cagan, The bagel king and according to him, a supreme target of a police shakedown at the hands of his former spouse’s attorneys was the litigious sort.
In fact, this may be how Atty Wagner decides to come out of retirement and become part of Terri Horman’s defense team while the civil suit was active.
Wagner’s firm represented Ms. Rackner in a suit filed by Rob Cagan in which he sued the Dueshete Police Department, A partner in the firm representing Caroleen Vanhoomissen, the suit (or ramblings of a very angry divorcee) alleges that the firm and its lawyers facilitated the difficulties of Mr. Cagan utilizing law enforcement sources directly by the attorneys was dismissed.
Ms. Vanhoomissen, the sister of Judge Vanhoomissen is also the owner of a horse farm in Bend, Oregon. Blinkoncrime was unable to verify if it was the Bend horse farm searched in the early days of the investigation for Kyron.
Attorney Rackner’s prior working relationship with the DEA, the very agency that supplied the undercover officer in the failed sting involving Horman landscaper Rudy Sanchez begs the question- Did Rackner use her contacts and/or credentials to facilitate a surreptitious ruse to gain favor for her client in anticipation of his wife’s potential arrest?
Kaine is on record that law enforcement informed him they had probable cause to arrest Terri. What is not on record, is what came first- the referral to Rackner.
I just want to do what I can to help law enforcement
Seems like an odd comment coming from a family attorney with a background as a prosecutor working with the DEA, which agency subsequently becomes involved in the case- or initially led to her representation- the chicken or the egg facts remain unclear.
The ex parte and originally sealed restraining order did not exclude Terri Horman from the marital home. Was this an oversight of a very seasoned family attorney or was the basis of the now defunct restraining order as provided to Kaine Horman and Laura Rackner by law enforcement effectively invalidated by Terri Horman calling 911?
Is the reason that Atty Engel seems to have taken over representation of Kaine Horman due to the fact that these actions could render Ms. Rackner a witness in her client’s case as opposed to his Attorney?
In the motions and subsequent hearing scheduled for July 30th, the only available arguments outside of the parties agreement is to contest the basis for the FAPA order- or, the allegation Kaine Horman has made within his affidavits more than once, that his wife tried to hire “our landscaper” to kill him, and that she is being investigated for “violent crimes.”
The outcome?
The order was converted to a civil no-contact order which has not yet been added to the file for public review.
Desiree and Kaine’s respective camps both claimed “protecting the integrity of the investigation” was their only interest although the ONLY 2 witnesses who were summoned for deposition by Terri Horman’s lawyers were- the lead investigator of Kyron’s investigation for 18 months- Bobby John O’Donnell and Kaine Horman.
Back To School
Skyline School, the International Baccalaureate candidate who announced the IB open house format weeks earlier via take home handouts to its students and also by displaying the event on its marquis has never been declared a crime scene. Although in nearly every legal support brief or news coverage article Terri Horman was dubbed “the last person to be seen with Kyron Horman” or more recently by Desiree Young as “Kyron was last seen by someone who cared about him at 8:45 am” absolutely no witness account or Science Fair insider was known publicly to dispute such accounts.
Until now.
“Once I learned all that was going on that same day, in that same school, I did not understand why I was being told that Terri Horman was the suspect, and one other person… It never made sense to me that they knew Kyron was seen with someone else besides his stepmother after she left, that they seemed to not even consider another theory.” (*Editor’s Note*- parts of the source’s quote have been redacted as they would reveal identity of witnesses in an ongoing criminal investigation)
Electric Slide?
Sometime after Terri Horman left the school with her daughter Kiara in tow, she was captured on store video prior to Kyron’s exit from Skyline School. It is believed Kyron was last seen between 9:05 and 9:20 AM.
The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.
Classroom 1 Property of www.blinkoncrime.com
(Editor’s Note: It is believed that Desiree and Kaine’s comments about concern that instruction they gave him last year about listening to staff “came back to haunt them.” They have never acknowledged they were told about this witness account but a source close to www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed they were informed but not given a witness description.
www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed the EXIF data on the image includes the timestamp of June 4 2010 at 8:43AM PST.
Backstory OR Backdrop?
Among the peers of Kyron Horman in attendance on June 4th, were some children whose parents may have been granted access via the open house format, although documents filed with the school and LE would preclude the parents from removing them.
In fact, the mother of a chief witness in this case was arrested that very day for attempting to fill a script that did not belong to her, in a pharmacy that Terri Horman allegedly also visited that morning.
Another child whose parents lost custody due to very long histories with substance abuse and associated criminal behavior had the additional possible misfortune of closely resembling both Kaine and Terri Horman.
Non Custodial Parent Red Long Hair
It is unknown whether either parent took the opportunity to visit the school that day, but they were not included on the published list. While barred legally from removing their child from the school they could not be barred from a publicly announced invitational. There was no ID checks or sign-in sheets for non-volunteer guests.
In an unrelated twist, the child’s Father was found deceased in front of a Portland residence in April 2012. The name of the child and Kyron’s schoolmate, guardians and parents are being intentionally withheld for this article.
Sovereignty In lieu Of..
Among the many unanswered questions in Kyron’s disappearance: Why hasn’t the school been held accountable? He disappeared on their watch- with a concise standard of care duty and plan.
What really happened?
There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck. There is no dispute that Kyron was last seen at Skyline School. There is no dispute that both Kyron’s parents expressed concern that last year’s discipline involving instruction on being a better listener may have come back to haunt them. They said so.
What may be in dispute, for sure, is how accurate the list of attendees at the Skyline School of June 4th, 2010 is.
As an example, one witness told Editor In Chief, S. Christina Stoy that a young male former student said hello to Susan Hall and when asked by a parent who the lad was a few days later, she said she was not sure. He is NOT on the list.
When another parent subsequently asked Ms. Hall who the student was following Kyron’s disappearance to verify he was on the published list- she responded she could not remember. Ms. Hall was the Skyline Administrative staff who contacted 911 upon speaking to Terri Horman and learning Kyron was not on the bus. Hall subsequently contacted Desiree Young. She did this while the Horman’s were on their way back to the school to see if Kyron might have thought he was being picked up that day as opposed to riding the bus or some other sort of snafu.
According to the MCSO, the school records that could assist the investigation were never requested to be preserved by investigators and as a result were deleted.
So why was the Skyline School never named as a defendant in the previously pending litigation filed by Kyron’s mother Desiree Young?
The reason may lie in the recreational designation utilized on June 4th, 2010.
According to the National Policy and Legal Analysis Network (napl) it may be a simple question of whether Kyron disappeared during the “recreational” portion of the program.
Napl’s guidance to lawyer’s advising Oregon schools can be read here. Although the overall plan is relative to an obesity initiative, it would include research and advice on any school recreational or regularly scheduled event. Please tell me Cogen does not factor into this.
The following are excerpts from the report:
…”Absent special liability protection, school districts and other providers of recreational facilities have the legal duty to take reasonable precautions to prevent injury. What is reasonable is very context specific and depends on many things: most important, the nature of the harm, the difficulty of preventing it, and generally accepted standards in the management of recreational facilities…”
…” The only immunity Oregon grants to public bodies, which include school districts,2 is discretionary government immunity.3 Discretionary government immunity applies to choices “among alternative public policies by persons to whom responsibility for such policies have been delegated.”4 To fall under the protection of this doctrine, Oregon courts have said, the choice must result from the exercise of judgment and involve a public policy or nonroutine day-to-day activity.
…” In summary, Oregon immunizes schools for policy choices its officials make, but it holds schools liable for breaches of duty that occur in carrying out those policy choices…”
…” The recreational user statute should therefore provide strong protection to Oregon schools seeking to avoid liability arising from after-hours outdoor recreational programs on school grounds. Applying this statute to indoor recreational activities, however, is much riskier, although the case law does not preclude such a strategy.
Regular School Day- Changes Things
…” In Oregon, schools owe students a duty to “supervise at all times the conduct of children on school grounds and to enforce those rules and regulations necessary to their protection. . . . The standard of care imposed upon school personnel in carrying out the duty to supervise the conduct of students is that degree of care which a person of ordinary prudence, charged with comparable duties, would exercise under the same circumstances.”37
Is the issue of liability to Skyline School relegated to what time Kyron was abducted, presuming he was abducted, as is believed?
Very possibly.
As we know, the school opened early the morning of June 4th, 2010, as was displayed on the school’s marquis at least 2 weeks prior. Without particular knowledge of when the suspect responsible for Kyron’s disappearance entered the school, and under what auspice, one is left to the timeline of Kyron’s activities as juxtaposed with the start of the school day. As a regular standard of care, one could argue that begins with a student getting on the bus, if a passenger, on their regular route. What if a bus passenger is attending the “event” outside of the bus transportation? Admittedly, it seems moot inasmuch as neither one of Kyron’s parents have filed suit against the school or named them as having any negligence or liability. That said, it remains a possibility in the event Kyron is found.
There is no question Kyron was seen after 8:45AM- which is the time that a regularly scheduled bus arrives- which would ring the bell, so to speak, on the normal school day.
To be Continued:
Roid Noise And The Boys In Blue- Publishing Thursday August 8. Preview Discussion Tonight on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW.
Ellie Sanders contributed research to this report.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
Image retouching courtesy of Klaasend
Previous Coverage:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/
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A Texas Grandfather,
Thanks.
Looking at the lower level floor plan via the below link previously supplied by Rose, where are the washrooms that the Kindergarten and Grade 1 students would use? TIA.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?s=fbb3d951d3e4f4f227cfb320bdaa5310&t=106904&page=6
ps
I tend to supply links when possible in support of or as a reference to my comments. Yes, sometimes they have been posted at an earlier time.
Can get a little redundant, I know.
@erose, i couldnt get the link to open about request for info about ppl parking, but i remember the presser about the truck and its location and that it included pictures of tmh (&dd?) is this the same presser as your link? the reason i ask is that it seemed to me that every presser and request for info they made always had to do with tmh. i am trying to see if anything they did may have anything to do with anyone else. thanks
http://www.katu.com/news/local/95768334.html
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sheriff dan stanton said late sunday night that he was “not prepared” to call the boy’s disappearance a kidnapping. he described kyron as a “missing endangered child” because more than two days had elapsed since he disappeared and because search efforts were hampered by rainy weather.
quizzical,
THANK YOU for the photo links and descriptions!!
The photo of the west side with info from freefallzzzz is what I’ve been wanting to see.
(TY to freefallzzzz.)
Cheers, quizzical!
QUIZZICAL, YOU ARE THE BEST!!
Fantastic video.
wpg- how does what our Quizzie ( my nickname) posted effect your thoughts or view in this case discussion?
B
OT kind of.
(awake as installed air, can = no air, in wrong hands. wish I had a new puppy instead)
wrt Kyron “listening to adults” -PPS was unhelpful to all 4 parents
and yes imo this issue set Kyron up for capture.
Beliw is a very fine youtube of Dr Denkla (head, Kennedy Krieger @ Hopkins), in a wonderful youtube – she is a neuropsychologist who is world’s leader on intersection (& differential dx in young) between language & attention. pithy, pragmatic, wry humor, plain spoken.
http://youtu.be/GE16nduqKgs
every moment is worthwhile if this interests you, but 15:00 – 17:00 specifically talks of specific
sound processing (she doesn’t like auditory processing label) on left plane & “emotion of the speaker” on rite plane.
And 17:00-18:00 is an example of her wryness & plainspokenness.
Imo the language thing, not attention, left Kyron vulnerable. & With that Skyline Resource (who was unfortunately educated to treat intellectually disabled in life care skills) and all those paraeducators, PPS nevertheless had not trained their Skyline early ed teacher on the various components of “listening,”
and a well-intended parent like Desiree was misled imo by the school.
golly quizzical. you’ve given me something to do for next hour. TY.
Blink,
First observation is that it would be very quick to get Kyron out of that school and off the property.
2nd, the back lot is so blasted eerie (not the right word, but you know what I mean) in its design with all the doors and stairways and unbelievable access (access to the west side as well) that had no camera/surveillance at the time.
Cheese’n'rice.
To answer your question directly, you know I haven’t excluded the possibility of a SZ . . . alone or in tandem.
I agree it would be quick if planned properly, but it would absolutely take planning and knowledge of the campus, otherwise, one could simply get parked-in with that lot structure. Having kids in multiple sports that are held at schools and somtimes club stadiums I am constantly navigating these places and have been for many years as the children moved through the school system.
I have become somewhat of an expert in reviewing these blueprints in terms of parking needs, restrooms and food stands, etc.
Imo, that lot itself is a very intimidating prospect for someone that does not, but more importantly for someone who is about to abduct a child in full view of witnesses tells me a few things that should have rang investigative bells early on-
My thoughts/observations
1. Does/did the school have any way of providing data about the downloads of blueprints/floorplans that were on the site between the time the IB expo was announced and prior to the discovery Ky was missing. If this possibility is included in the non-preserved data that is a huge blow. I would submit that they can, at a minimum, limit that pool without being more specific.
2. Back to the town hall meeting idea. Many times people do not know that what they know is important. With the amount of investigative alternative muscle (FBI, CARD, et al) a precise directive based on investigative details should have been conducted with that in mind, by invitation based on interview results and to accommodate children. ( There should have been a professional brought in to discuss the incident with parental involvement in the first place instead of pretending Kyron evaporated).
ie: An investigative question might be- Has anyone you know, or was unfamiliar to you asked you any questions about rooms or doors of the school? Another question example might be- If your Mom or Dad came to pick you up from school and you could only use a door that locks behind you, which would that be? Has any adult asked you to hold or open a door for them, or ask you where they could find a room, or person recently? Did anyone see an unfamiliar person in the school lot that maybe was going the wrong way, parked in the way of something recently? This list is long and the whole flyer mentality in the beginning is against every investigative protocol I am aware of in SZ-possible abduction case.
3. How would the above data translate when juxtaposed with the timeline, the interaction between Ky and SZ, witness accounts, and the location of the classroom and chosen egress.
Just thoughts.
B
Okay, I see there’s another post by quizzical with theory.
Going to read now.
imo quizzical’s video demonstrates north parking was a dead end, a trap.
& access rd is the best departure site. south lot far too crowded & busy.
I can see him saying to Kyron “I’m just down there.
Hop in & I’ll move us
around to the back door, or gym door, where we will carry stuff in, ,
to get him in the truck & rolling.
@Sam H, It was the presser about the truck. The flyer was pictures of the truck on the access road and pictures of the Fred Meyer stores.
August 11, 2010 – snip from Presser Flier
THE FIRST FOCUS OF INVESTIGATIVE ASSISTANCE INVOLVES KAINE HORMAN’S WHITE FORD F250 PICKUP TRUCK WHICH WAS DRIVEN TO SKYLINE SCHOOL ON JUNE 4 BY TERRI HORMAN. LAW ENFORCEMENT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH ANY PERSON WHO MAY HAVE SEEN THE TRUCK AT SKYLINE SCHOOL IN THE APPROXIMATE LOCATIONS CAPTURED IN PHOTOGRAPHS ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE BETWEEN APPROXIMATELY 8:15 AM AND 8:45 AM
THE SECOND FOCUS IS TO IDENTIFY ANY PERSON OR PERSONS ASSOCIATED WITH (EITHER IN OR IN THE IMMEDIATE PROXIMITY OF) THE TRUCK DURING THOSE TIMES.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100455014.html
The next day Stensen came forward with his timeline. He was there from 7:45 – 8:30 and never saw the Horman truck.
snip>
Based on the investigators’ timeline, and if Stensen’s times are accurate, the window for the white truck to be on the access road narrows to the 15 minutes between 8:30 a.m. and 8:45 a.m.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html
He never saw the Horman truck. Did TH say she parked on the access road, or are investigators saying she parked there? LE doesn’t even say “white truck” they say Horman truck. If TH confirmed she parked there, that is one thing, but if “witnesses” are being fed this info, OMG. BTW, If I took two kids to the SF I would park as close to the classroom as possible, to dump off backpack and coat first. IOW, I’d have parked in the north lot.
Did someone witness Kyron near the white truck at 8:45 when the bell rang? Or, is the sighting correct and the time wrong?
The next day:
Stensen told investigators that he left Skyline School as late as 8:45 a.m. or 9 a.m., which means he could have missed seeing the Horman truck being in the two spots investigators are interested in, especially since he spent his time and attention at the school mowing the soccer field.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100663409.html
There are two spots where the white truck parked. Is it possible TH was in one spot and another white truck was in the other spot? After TH left?
THE FOURTH FOCUS SEEKS THE IDENTITY OF A WITNESS WHO PARKED THEIR VEHICLE ON JUNE 4. BEFORE 8:45 AM ON JUNE 4TH IN THE SKYLINE SCHOOL PARKING LOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LOT (SEE PHOTO ON FOLLOWING PAGE)—IF YOU PARKED YOUR VEHICLE IN THAT DESCRIBED AREA PLEASE CONTACT LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH YOUR NAME, PHONE NUMBER, THE YEAR, MAKE & MODEL, COLOR, AND LICENSE PLATE NUMBER OF THE VEHICLE PARKED IN THE SCHOOL LOT.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100455014.html
(click on sheriff’s office flier link)
Who is the “witness” in the south lot who never came forward? Did SZ park in the south lot, before 8:45, then move to the access road after TH left?
Since we know Kyron’s timeline. What does it say about all this?
Add to the equation Ky was seen near a white truck, AFTER the time TMH left. According to DY, this involved a credible witness. It is my belief that LE was trying to identify that vehicle owner. I also believe the fact that the truck was nearly identical cemented theory until the timeline gelled further that it was TMH. Once the notion was debunked, the fall back position had to be, identical vehicle to lure Kyron “your stepmom” sent me. Investigatively I can see that initially, but then, not so much.
B
yes, yes, yes.
quizzical says:
August 16, 2013 at 12:49 am
Substitute SZ for TMH and 9:05-9:20 for 8:45-9:00 when reading these posts back in Summer 2010.
And yes.
B
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html
“kyron horman search may have suffered from confluence of delays”
june 12/10 article stating some delays in initial response.
among them:
school didnt notify parents when abcence noted
the initial report was given the “lowest priority” rating by dispatchers
rush hour traffic delayed searchers, who first went to mcso patrol office in outer ne portland, then traveled.to the site
authorities didnt issue full news release until next morning
the offical search began at 4:30
the sheriff office began calling trained searchers at 5:30pm first search teams arrived at 8:09 pm the sar coordinator, mark herron, arrived at 8:25pm
pps officals didnt issue news release that afternoon, and the public info officer for msco only learned of investif sometime that night between 7 and 7:15
hourish later so met some reporters at school and released photo of kyron but issued first official news release about 9 am next day. etc
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_looking_for_missing_por.html
june 5
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sgt david thompson of the washington county sherrifs office said officers remain hopeful that kyron would be found safe and that foul play was not suspected.
snip
portland police initially responded to the missing-person call, using search dogs throughout the school and also searching on the school roof, said mcs capt jason gates, the incident commander. the search was turned over later friday to the sheriffs office, as the school is not within the city limits.
from a lynne terry article june 5
“details emerge about the day kyron horman turned up missing”
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although the school usually opens at 8:35 am and the final bell rings ten minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 friday for the science fair, said matt shelby, spokesman for portland public schools.
@TRuth, I am wondering if this exchanged happened when the groups got back to class because of the last part of TP’s account.
“And she was like ‘oh no where’s Kyron there’s only five’ and Mrs. Porter was like it’s okay calm down, calm down he’s probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I’m going to leave and she left, ” says Tanner Pumala.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9068.235;wap2
So that was the first time Kyron was missed that day. He also would have been missed when it was time for the talent show. Maybe that is when Porter told the kids he was at the doctor’s.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/95808084.html
june 7/10
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“we are following all leads and are making determinations whether we have criminal elements or we’re just dealing with a missing child,” said multn sher capt jason gates…”nothings been left for wanting with the regard of the direction we’re going. so far we’re not prepared to call it a criminal investigation at this point…
he said the search has not expanded outside the metro area. he said until investigators believe the case warrants a nationwide search, they want to keep it focused on the general area.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010l06/kyron_horman_search_turns_up_n.html
June 8
Snip
Authorities believe the 2nd graders disappearance last friday is an isolated incident and haven’t expanded the search beyond the region.
Police have also spoken with about 99 percent of the students at skyline school, and ask that remaining students contact the sheriffs office through the tip line,
http://Www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/post_23.html
june 9
Authorities said they believe kyron’s disappearance is an isolated case and addressed parental concerns over safety by urging them to keep their same routines.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_enters_sev.html
june 9
Snip
So far, gates said, searchers have combed a 1/2 mile radius around the school…they’ve also looked at specific locations that gates declined to identify.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_kyron_to_exp.html
june 10
Snip
The mcso said searchers have covered “every piece of ground” within a 2 1/2 mile radius of skyline school…and plan to go over that area again starting today.
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-1209-in_testy_news_conference_sheriff_calls_off_the_sea.html
june 13 by james pitkin
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in an emotional and at times testy news conference today, multnomah county sheriff dan staton called off the 10-day search for kyron horman…
with tears in his eyes and a shaky voice, staton said he’s sending home rescue teams…
staton said his office will now focus on the case as a criminal investigation.
snip
“you know i can’t answer that”, gates snapped when a reporter asked if the case is considered a kidnapping.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99801789.html
aug 2, 2010
according to sources, two detectives and a canine search dog scoured the property of dede spichers aunt along bishop road in helvetia within the last two weeks.
neighbors said dede no longer lives there and hasnt visited in a while. but they said detectives still wanted to know what they saw, if anything, on June 4
Did that crazy cousin live there at the time?
B
I think Kyron could have said good-bye to TH is the hall, as she said. He could have gone to his classroom. The groups could have formed as the kids came in to the classroom, either from off of the busses or showing up after their parents left. I think the parent time to tour with their children was over when school started. Other than the group volunteers, I would think most of the parents would have left by 9, making me think that SZ presented as a group leader or someone involved in the goings on.
I think Kyron’s group and Tanner’s group could have passed each other and they had their exchange about the cool electric one. I think once the group got downstairs, the kids began to spread apart, as they toured. Some lingered longer at the projects that interested them. Some went ahead into the next room to look, which could have made it difficult to monitor.
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“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-10/#comment-2180751
So this witness heard a male ask permission for Kyron to help him get something out of his truck. What had to be edited out? The witness must have thought, imo, it was Kyron’s father, or someone specific, because there is a definite shift in what the witness was thinking prior to Kyron’s reaction. They left out of the south entrance. Is the south entrance tied into the couth parking lot? Anyone know? August 11 presser was requesting the witness in the vehicle who parked before 8:45 in the south lot to come forward.
i want to believe that since the fbi was involved early on that they heard about ms mathews incident n
and the witness sightings and ruled it out, BuT when i read that only 99% (about) of the students were interviewed and the rest (if we missed you?) should call the tip line?! I doubt if they interviewed all the staff, contractors, parents even. If a michelangelo painting was missing everyone at the scene would have been interviewed and this was a LITTLE INNOCENT CHILD stolen!
I bet Staton did not know of the Matthews interlude until just before they published the flier picture on the access road, and after Desiree made her truck comment (her why would he be out there comment). If Matthews had ponied upright away, MCSO would’ve known why he was there.
I bet finally finding out from her prompted the flier.
So much for Keefer phoning each employee to ask personally the last time they saw Kyron.
He probably thought “leave it to law enforcement professionals.”
Otherwise, why all that searching & failure to have an Amber
Alert or declare a probable abduction.
One of Denkla’s priceless remarks is on the detrimental effect on a kid with school ” listening problems,” if this is the etiology, of a “grumpy” teacher (even does a charlie brown grumpy voice) and negative “grumpy” speech at home, maybe in the 22:00+ area. Perhaps there were a couple of grumpy voices at home, and probably Porter too. Whether this was true of Kyron, and he was more vulnerable to SZ than the average kid, no one can know. But language could also explain the apparent shyness.
@january:
lots of good points.
first i posted somewhere above that “normal” school start was 8:35am (pps offical) so busses would normally arrive before 8:35.
second is that i was wondering why mrs mathews would let kyron go help someone if all kids were suposed to be getting together for group tours. if sci fair was from 8-10 as posted on marquee then some parents would be there at close to ten even. what you said makes perfect sense. some kids still touring with their parents, some without parents going in groups. would explain that ms mathews didnt say to sz “no its time for kyron to go upstairs and get in his group, or its time for everyone to go back to their homerooms for group tours, she prob assumed his mom was around, also would explain why one kid was heading to the classroom and saw kyron heading downstairs, not going to classroom. imo some kids were with parent touring, some with groups, and kyron was just going where he wanted to, prob not knowing where he was supposed to be anyway. one thing pps said it was working on post kyrons disappearance was “handing off from parents to staff” iir.
what a confusing day, i wonder how the talent show went lol
if tmh cant talk, le wont talk, school wont talk ( i dont want to hear kh talk anymore), i wonder if parents will finally start to talk!
@sam. Terri said it was reported he was seen with 2 girls & a male chaperone.
Perhaps he walked into 109 at the same time as SZ & 2 girls,
& Matthews assumed that was Kyron’s tour group & chaperone.
@erose says
I think the parent time to tour with their children was over when school started. Other than the group volunteers, I would think most of the parents would have left by 9
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At our elementary school … often big events with volunteers also had parents who were not committed/assigned just hanging around to watch, take pictures, or even just got stuck talking to each other. Field Day was always such an event.
I have mental conflict wanting to have such events “tightened-up” for security vs my desire for the school to be a community and open for parents to drop in, be involved, be around.
@ sam h says
i dont want to hear kh talk anymore
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Ha! Funny, true, but it is so “amusing” when he continues to provide completely oppositie statements each time he speaks. I agree with whoever noted earlier that HE is the one who needs a psych eval.
I too wonder if now some people will speak out. Is anyone in the skyline community following this? Would any other news organization pick it up at this point?
Thanks sam h and erose for all the article links. It makes me so sad to go back and read them and remember how “locked on” TMH the LE was right from the beginning. They couldn’t see anything beyond their first suspicion.
It seems to me that SZ and the unidentified “former male student” are the same person. This would identify which door he came in (front door by the office lady who “recognized” him) and also provide the info that possibly he reentered … recognized upon exit or reentry by the front office.
Car rentals? Not knowing this area, are there any car rental agencies within say 50 miles of the abduction?? A white pickup truck is not unusual and would easily mix into any parking lot. Was a rental truck excluded in this abduction?
@Mags. & perhaps he knew James & the Horman truck.
Sounds like there were vigilant parent witnesses who got no support
or feedback on their observations from PPS staff & mcso. Behavior,
such as reports of anomalys witnessed, not rewarded consistantly
(with next steps to progess case) gets extinguished eventually.
Just a quick comment on this former student.
To be able to eventually title him a “former student”, imo, his identity must have become known at some point.
S.Hall allegedly may have said she doesn’t know or she doesn’t remember in response to a parent(s), but that doesn’t mean LE doesn’t know his identity.
Regarding “the list”, there was never a “revised list” published after LE requested input from the attendees and Skyline community, nor did I expect LE to release a revised list.
Wow, quizzi thanks for all that work! I remember seeing some of those photos, it still ticks me off that the school is so unkempt. Fire danger, fire danger!!! Crap it looks like it’s been abandoned and ready to close.
I think your scenarios all would be possible. For me, I don’t see why anyone planning on stealing a child would park their car on the most publicly visible road. How would they know a car wouldn’t drive by or someone was in that church looking out the window. That’s why I don’t like the access road scenario. It’s certainly possible though.
IIRC the back of the school was generally reserved for buses turning around, so parking was discouraged back there. I think SZ may have waited for all the buses to leave, and then put his car in that back lot. There would have been few, if any cars parked back there at that time. But…..that’s just my thought without further information I guess anything is possible.
Does anyone know what that 4-bay garage is used for? Are those roll-up doors kept locked?
@Quizzical – Thanks for your hard work! Awesome!
Reading your thoughts re: “… the abduction was engineered…”- 100%
agree. SZ would have to know something about the school as well as
egress and proximity to the access road, as you point out, but
it seems to me that if SZ did park a white truck on
the path to the soccer field, just out of range visually from
the school, he must have known a whole lot more related to timing
of the TT (turf techs) comings and goings. Makes me wonder if
SZ had an on-site assistant. No one would be that bold without enough
advance or up to the minute info to assure they could pull off a kidnapping at a busy school in broad daylight, IMO.
Shell game with white trucks?
It came to mind that SZ may belong to a group that sanctions such
behavior.
Then there is the fall-back position of a RS related SZ, which I
never felt 100% with, but is a possibility.
IIRC, back in 2010 I read that the person with Kyron was a young man?
(outside/parking lot)
The report mentioned something like “Kyron carried a project.”
That siting could tie to the teacher mentioning the “former male
student” and as Mags pondered – cb SZ? Former male student was not on the list of 490, which lines up with Blink’s statement that SZ was also listless.
@Rose – Informative video you posted! http://youtu.be/GE16nduqKgs
Helps in understanding what Kyron was going through.
Also, I hope posters will tune in to Beth Karas – your post “from the
cauldron.” Spot on description- YIKES! My first decent into the realm.
http://www.lifestyletalkradio.com/ on Friday, at noon Eastern Time
Aside:
9 a.m. Kyron is reportedly seen by a student near the south entrance of the school, according to Sheriff Dan Staton, who says that was the last time the boy was seen. Multnomah County authorities later backtrack on that statement.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html
And
Kaine stated in the Intel memo “between 9 and 9:30.” Terri stated in an email “between 9 and 10.”
(I believe there was more accurate Timeline info early on)
If LE asked witnesses not to talk with media, and they did anyway, what would happen to them? It would be interesting if all the witnesses who saw Kyron leave the school with a man, got together and scheduled a press conference.
Hmmm, venetia, shell game with white trucks?
“The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with Kitty for a doctor’s appt.,” she wrote on June 5, 2010. “I said I was going to look at other exhibits – how do you mess that up? His coat and backpack were still at school. I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list. That and it was highly chaotic – had to been 300 people running around – no coordination …”
“I didn’t just drop him off, I spent time with him, took pictures and he was in safe hands I thought as I watched him walk down the hall.
“Kids saw him after I left. Teacher put him as absent at 10am. Someplace between 9-10 is when we think it happened.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html
It has always bothered me that Terri sent this email out on June 5, only the day after Kyron went missing, and she said “that’s when we think IT happened”. Wasn’t LE still looking for a possible lost little boy? What did she mean by “IT happened”? Why would she say this?
Something I was thinking about yesterday. I remember Andrea Leckey saying that Terri had the longest conversation with her in that Fred Meyer store that she ever had before. Stopping her and showing her Kyron’s picture, etc. All the while with a child that was sick and by all reasonableness probably should have been home in bed. Drive the child around for an hour and a half, when she could have just gone home. Then she went to the gym, again with a sick child in tow. Is it possible that Terri Horman was avoiding going home for some reason? Was it possible that she needed to stay away from that house until a certain time or an all clear was given her, because something was going on at the house? IDK, this just came to my mind yesterday, if one looks at all Terri’s comments about her day, it almost sounds like she was avoiding returning home.
I know it doesn’t make sense, but that’s what it sounds like, like she was trying to stall and find something to do besides return home.
Could this possibly have anything to do with someone using an identical vehicle that would not be noticed as odd going down the Horman drive? I can’t make any sense of this, but then neither can I make sense of Terri’s actions that day. Why didn’t she just take Kiara home?
I tried to call the tip line back in aug or sep ’10, and the dumb thing disconnected repeatedly. I wonder if some tips were never left due to failure of that tip line.
I am wondering if Matthews brought the exchange to light, or if it was the witness who did. Maybe Matthews was busy, and nodded yes without really thinking
Rose says:
August 16, 2013 at 7:18 am
Yep, until (like Blink explains in the article) the school would have transitioned from recreational to school day.
Venetia says:
August 16, 2013 at 1:35 pm
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(I believe there was more accurate Timeline info early on)
My confusion is Kyron having last been seen leaving via the south entrance, and the sighting of him at the truck parked on the access road. Isn’t the south entrance the main entrance, where the office is? The south entrance isn’t the closest to the access road, is it?
Did SZ leave with Kyron in the south lot, then park on the access road to unload the *whateveritwas* because he thought he was seen or being watched? IOW, SZ did this in phases. a)remove Kyron from the building b) remove Kyron from the outside perimeter of the school c) remove him from the area. Maybe he assessed the situation at each level of removal, for witnesses or suspicion.
T. Ruth
I have to agree about the grass not being cut near the school building. That and some of the placement of plants are a potential fire hazard.
I also think Quizzical’s theory of how SZ left the building with Kyron and then in the truck has merit.
If you use Google Earth to look at the area of the school, you will see that there is a paved narrow road on the East side of the soccer fields that loops around. West of the soccer fields is a residence that has an unpaved road that goes North for the length of the soccer field and then turns East towards them passing within a few feet of the loop around the field at the North end. There is only one foot difference in elevation between the two roads. This road continues to an area North of the school that appears to be an area where some earth removal has taken place.
The elevation of the soccer field at the North end is approx. 701 ft. MSL and slopes three feet down to 698 ft. at the South. The elevation of the land at the front of the school is 707 ft. at the point where the wood stairs are located. This is a difference of 9 ft.
There are two ways that the SZ could have accessed the area on that side of the building. By driving West and taking the soccer field access road (appears to be dirt) and stopping the vehicle facing North. After putting Kyron in the truck, he could have driven North on the field road and then across to the dirt road that paralleled the field loop and followed it around to access Skyline Blvd. near the residence. Or, that route could be reversed. The high bank offers concealment near the school.
Wpg
Looking again at the referenced dwgs. in your post with a magnifying glass, there is the possibility that you are correct about the washrooms in the SW corner of all four classrooms. The two below and the two above. We have to remind ourselves that this school was built small in 1939 and several additions were made later.
The doors of the areas thought to be washrooms swing in against the South wall and there could be a toilet and small basin on the North wall. The dwg. in the PDF file does not indicate anything but an empty room.
These rooms would need a water line and a sewer connection. This could have been added at the time of construction or later. If one looks at the boiler room below the first level restrooms and the kitchen adjacent to that on the East, that indicates to me that the mechanical facilities were grouped together to save money on the original construction.
Question?
Does anyone know the name of the company that was to be the source for the Solar panels before they went instead to a wind turbine?
They must have some sort of a proposal with the vendors listed in order to present the project to those with the rubber stamp?
Just wondered if it could have been a company in Wisconsin – Sunvest Solar Inc?
Also re: the blueprints of the school – in addition to online, an interested person could view the prints at the building department. If someone wants to do some sleuthing, he/she may find that someone at the desk remembers who came in to view them back in 2010. If the person had copies made, there could be a receipt for same if the building dept. works the same there as it does in my area. It’s worth a try.
Yes Venetia, one could view them at a few different resources, but I was absolutely making the assumption LE would have canvassed everything that would be traceable to the offender or an associate- in other words, he would have had to be seen , and asked for access at a minimum. I don’t see him doing that, fwiw.
B
I bet it was the witness.
I’m not feeling like Matthew, comparable to Porter,
would throw herself on her sword.
All comes down to Principal’s aggressive leadership
in ferreting out Kyron’s interior whereabouts.
In my opinion, a successful principal would have taken mcso’s bull by the horns & demanded a community mtg with LE to process memories. PPS Admin & his supervisors & his brownnosing career be damned. That’s what Ray Myrtle, the successful school reformer (whose Harvard study url of his supervision strategies I’ve put here before) would’ve done. If a principal “buys” mcso’s investigation, he also will “buy” lousy curriculum products for his kids because Admin says so and will hire weak staff or give a place to a lousy teacher his Supv needs to park somewhere til retirement. A good principal can just say “no” to his Supt & is willing to walk away on principle, as well as force into retirement or rotate out weak teachers. Serms to me Keefer’s goal was to please Admin.
@ TRuth. or TH elaborated on the SF pics w/Andrea because TH was so darn proud of her “teaching” Kyron thru his research, “teaching” him thru the script , pics, & printouts, & laminating.
This must have taken her days, & when a parent goes to those lengths, imo it’s their project of which they’re very proud.
As for dragging cranky earache Kiara around,
What’s home but housework and being alone
with a cranky child. imo she was
distracting them both. Just count her hyperactive
or selfish.
I am halfway thru a real murder Mystery in Peking
and the former Scotland yard Detective keeps in mind a
highly unusual, narcisstic, socially illadjusted father does not
a murderer make (we shall see).
I know what you mean erose, but TP’s statement isn’t that specific about time, just action.
“And she was like ‘oh no where’s Kyron there’s only five’ and Mrs. Porter was like it’s okay calm down, calm down he’s probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I’m going to leave and she left, ” says Tanner Pumala.
“she said alright, I’m going to leave and she left”.
That part, could have meant left the room to start the tour with the other children, sans Kyron. (Tanner being in a different group?) So, it could have been at the beginning of the grouping when she perhaps looked at the list of children she was supposed to be monitoring. If so, that would make it agree with Kurtis’ timing that said Kyron went missing around 9:10, when they were grouping. (If that’s what Kurtis even said, that was hearsay from his mom, of course.) Which also agrees with Blinks timing.
Heck, I’m just looking at trying to make what little we have heard from people, make sense. You know, put all of it together and see if it makes sense. Of course, witnesses can be wrong, particularly about time.
A Texas Gramdfather says:
August 16, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Trying to follow, are you saying the gate wasn’t locked after Stenson left?
@Rose
The cauldron?
You all are providing great thought process and theories. If it is true that a young man (former student) was seen at the school. I agree that he would have been identified unless he really was not a former student and it was mistaken identity.
Would this person have asked Ky to help carry in stuff to the school. It doesn’t quite match to me.
However, what if there were two abductors? An older man working with a younger one scoping and plotting together. That would definitely make the movement of the vehicle easier. They would work in tandem to select and remove a young innocent.
@TRuth, I love your through thinking, always. Your post about “it” has me wondering, again. TY. I can’t see a child assigned to a volunteer, in the bathroom or getting water, and the volunteer leaving without them, though I admit it’s possible. How would the child know where to catch up to the group?
What I like about your theory is it distances Porter’s double thinking of he’s in the bathroom and marking him absent for the dr. appt. by about an hour. It is hard to see her transition from in the bathroom to dr. appt. in the time that the tours ended (about 10) and the time roll was taken (about 10).
Troll says:
August 11, 2013 at 9:20 pm
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I get it, your one of the cauldron folk-
Lastly, I am not guessing, don’t even know how- ask around.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-6/#comments
Thank you Blink. I need only read back. (Now, if I could just determine where the south entrance is. My problem, I’ll figure it out.)
Acorns says:
August 6, 2013 at 10:17 pm
There is simply no disputing that Kyron left out of the South entrance and was seen.
B
I wonder if this is what Stanton might have referenced when he stated things that would surprise us. Didn’t he kinda shake his head. It would surprise most people to know that a school can lose a child, lawyer up and refuse to cooperate with LE, if that is what happened. Sure seems that way. To my knowledge, LE has never come out and given a status report on the school’s cooperation.
Rose says:
August 6, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Interesting info.
Imo no reasonable juror who had ever attended a child’s school science fair during school hours after the 8:45 bell
would accept the “recreational” argument, even if attendance was proven not required.
I think the problem or argument would be in the front end, before it ever reached the jury Rose. Sovereignty, or immunity (GOVT) is pretty much legal draino.
B