Kyron Horman Exclusive Report: New Suspect And Botched Investigation Rumors Abound- Terri Horman Prepares To Fight For Couples Daughter Following Seclusion
If you are reading this and have followed the Kyron Homan disappearance coverage since he vanished from Skyline School on June 4th 2010, you know my coverage and commentary has focused on the macro analysis of the case details- both publicly available and via developed sources. This report contains newly released information known to law enforcement. It’s contents, to include reader commentary and moderation response, may not be reproduced or copied without express written consent by it’s author in accordance with applicable copyright law.
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Last Week’s Meet And Greet
On Tuesday July 30th, the attorneys representing Terri Moulton Horman, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young attended a series of case hearings. Not held in chambers as announced, but public guests were barred.
On the docket- Desiree Young’s “stay” status of the $10 million dollar civil tort action brought against Terri Horman and the dissolution (divorce and custody) litigation brought by Kaine Horman, Terri’s estranged husband. Until July 26th, there were additional hearings and status conferences scheduled for the recently renewed Freedom From Abuse and Protection Act (FAPA) motion to contest and compel depositions in the restraining order prohibiting Terri Horman from contact with the couple’s daughter Kiara, now 5 years old. Horman has not seen her daughter since June 2010 despite several attempts through counsel to arrange parenting time. Engel, one of the attorneys representing Kaine Horman, argues that the FAPA case is consolidated with the divorce action, and therefore stayed.
Peter Bunch, counsel for Terri Horman, argues that there is no consolidation order.
Non attorney’s still do not understand how the initial proceeding to renew the FAPA order occurred when the plaintiff failed to file the required motion and accompanying affidavits in advance as required, or even serve the respondent’s attorneys until ordered to do so by Judge Henry Kantor once the hearing commenced. Kantor ordered the renewal anyway. I will let the goodly Oregon bar members weigh in on that anomaly.
That was then. This is now.
As of July 31st, the FAPA restraining order was expired and a civil no contact order was put in its place. The dissolution matter (divorce) stay has been lifted and Desiree Young announced she was instructing her attorney’s to withdraw the $10 million dollar suit financed by public donations.
On the same front steps where Atty Rosenthal announced that they were launching the suit to peel the onion that is to include law enforcement, and to “make Terri Horman talk” was withdrawn in similar fashion.
However, on this occasion, Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill was not spotted on the steps observing. Rosenthal and Young indicated the recent appearance and testimony of former object of compulsion to testify, DeDe Spicher, as well as information that the investigative case file necessary (their words) to prove their claims would not be forthcoming. In an article analyzing the suit appearing on BOC it was predicted that Ms. Young would face possible countersuit and associated fees should the suit continue as filed.
Attorneys for both Kaine and Terri appeared before Multnomah County Circuit Family law Judge Susan Svetkey on August 1, 2013. Judge Svetkey is Houze’s wife. The docket information for that hearing has not yet been entered into the file as of this publication.
The only comment about the withdrawal of the civil tort action by Stephen Houze:
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
In recent interviews, Kaine Horman has intimated that his wife has expressed her desire to help find Kyron, or at least contribute to excluding herself as a possible suspect. He also admitted that he no longer has any communication with Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother. He sometimes wonders what law enforcement is actually doing on his son’s case. This is a firm departure from how Mr. Horman initially retained his six figure attorney Laura Rackner of Gearing, Rackner, and Engel & McGrath. Ms. Rackner appears to have promulgated her duties of late to her partner, Brett Engel.
This all seemed to start when formidable and well known tort Attorney Mark Wagner came out of retirement to appear as counsel for Terri Horman. Wagner and Rackner know each other, and Rackner is no stranger to LE –based dissolution entanglements.
In fact, Wagner represented her and her previous firm successfully.
Bagel Finagle
Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner is no stranger to law enforcement infused litigation. She is a former prosecutor for Oregon’s department of Justice, The U.S. Department of Justice, and Office of Chief Counsel. Ms. Rackner has specificity in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) casework.
Born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Laura received her B.S. in 1979 and her J.D. in 1984, both from the University of Oregon.
Prior to entering private practice, Laura served as deputy district attorney in the Marion County District Attorney’s Office; assistant attorney general in the Oregon Department of Justice; and on the staff of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Chief Counsel, Drug Enforcement Administration.
Record Scratch.
Martin Rob Cagan, The bagel king and according to him, a supreme target of a police shakedown at the hands of his former spouse’s attorneys was the litigious sort.
In fact, this may be how Atty Wagner decides to come out of retirement and become part of Terri Horman’s defense team while the civil suit was active.
Wagner’s firm represented Ms. Rackner in a suit filed by Rob Cagan in which he sued the Dueshete Police Department, A partner in the firm representing Caroleen Vanhoomissen, the suit (or ramblings of a very angry divorcee) alleges that the firm and its lawyers facilitated the difficulties of Mr. Cagan utilizing law enforcement sources directly by the attorneys was dismissed.
Ms. Vanhoomissen, the sister of Judge Vanhoomissen is also the owner of a horse farm in Bend, Oregon. Blinkoncrime was unable to verify if it was the Bend horse farm searched in the early days of the investigation for Kyron.
Attorney Rackner’s prior working relationship with the DEA, the very agency that supplied the undercover officer in the failed sting involving Horman landscaper Rudy Sanchez begs the question- Did Rackner use her contacts and/or credentials to facilitate a surreptitious ruse to gain favor for her client in anticipation of his wife’s potential arrest?
Kaine is on record that law enforcement informed him they had probable cause to arrest Terri. What is not on record, is what came first- the referral to Rackner.
I just want to do what I can to help law enforcement
Seems like an odd comment coming from a family attorney with a background as a prosecutor working with the DEA, which agency subsequently becomes involved in the case- or initially led to her representation- the chicken or the egg facts remain unclear.
The ex parte and originally sealed restraining order did not exclude Terri Horman from the marital home. Was this an oversight of a very seasoned family attorney or was the basis of the now defunct restraining order as provided to Kaine Horman and Laura Rackner by law enforcement effectively invalidated by Terri Horman calling 911?
Is the reason that Atty Engel seems to have taken over representation of Kaine Horman due to the fact that these actions could render Ms. Rackner a witness in her client’s case as opposed to his Attorney?
In the motions and subsequent hearing scheduled for July 30th, the only available arguments outside of the parties agreement is to contest the basis for the FAPA order- or, the allegation Kaine Horman has made within his affidavits more than once, that his wife tried to hire “our landscaper” to kill him, and that she is being investigated for “violent crimes.”
The outcome?
The order was converted to a civil no-contact order which has not yet been added to the file for public review.
Desiree and Kaine’s respective camps both claimed “protecting the integrity of the investigation” was their only interest although the ONLY 2 witnesses who were summoned for deposition by Terri Horman’s lawyers were- the lead investigator of Kyron’s investigation for 18 months- Bobby John O’Donnell and Kaine Horman.
Back To School
Skyline School, the International Baccalaureate candidate who announced the IB open house format weeks earlier via take home handouts to its students and also by displaying the event on its marquis has never been declared a crime scene. Although in nearly every legal support brief or news coverage article Terri Horman was dubbed “the last person to be seen with Kyron Horman” or more recently by Desiree Young as “Kyron was last seen by someone who cared about him at 8:45 am” absolutely no witness account or Science Fair insider was known publicly to dispute such accounts.
Until now.
“Once I learned all that was going on that same day, in that same school, I did not understand why I was being told that Terri Horman was the suspect, and one other person… It never made sense to me that they knew Kyron was seen with someone else besides his stepmother after she left, that they seemed to not even consider another theory.” (*Editor’s Note*- parts of the source’s quote have been redacted as they would reveal identity of witnesses in an ongoing criminal investigation)
Electric Slide?
Sometime after Terri Horman left the school with her daughter Kiara in tow, she was captured on store video prior to Kyron’s exit from Skyline School. It is believed Kyron was last seen between 9:05 and 9:20 AM.
The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.
Classroom 1 Property of www.blinkoncrime.com
(Editor’s Note: It is believed that Desiree and Kaine’s comments about concern that instruction they gave him last year about listening to staff “came back to haunt them.” They have never acknowledged they were told about this witness account but a source close to www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed they were informed but not given a witness description.
www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed the EXIF data on the image includes the timestamp of June 4 2010 at 8:43AM PST.
Backstory OR Backdrop?
Among the peers of Kyron Horman in attendance on June 4th, were some children whose parents may have been granted access via the open house format, although documents filed with the school and LE would preclude the parents from removing them.
In fact, the mother of a chief witness in this case was arrested that very day for attempting to fill a script that did not belong to her, in a pharmacy that Terri Horman allegedly also visited that morning.
Another child whose parents lost custody due to very long histories with substance abuse and associated criminal behavior had the additional possible misfortune of closely resembling both Kaine and Terri Horman.
Non Custodial Parent Red Long Hair
It is unknown whether either parent took the opportunity to visit the school that day, but they were not included on the published list. While barred legally from removing their child from the school they could not be barred from a publicly announced invitational. There was no ID checks or sign-in sheets for non-volunteer guests.
In an unrelated twist, the child’s Father was found deceased in front of a Portland residence in April 2012. The name of the child and Kyron’s schoolmate, guardians and parents are being intentionally withheld for this article.
Sovereignty In lieu Of..
Among the many unanswered questions in Kyron’s disappearance: Why hasn’t the school been held accountable? He disappeared on their watch- with a concise standard of care duty and plan.
What really happened?
There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck. There is no dispute that Kyron was last seen at Skyline School. There is no dispute that both Kyron’s parents expressed concern that last year’s discipline involving instruction on being a better listener may have come back to haunt them. They said so.
What may be in dispute, for sure, is how accurate the list of attendees at the Skyline School of June 4th, 2010 is.
As an example, one witness told Editor In Chief, S. Christina Stoy that a young male former student said hello to Susan Hall and when asked by a parent who the lad was a few days later, she said she was not sure. He is NOT on the list.
When another parent subsequently asked Ms. Hall who the student was following Kyron’s disappearance to verify he was on the published list- she responded she could not remember. Ms. Hall was the Skyline Administrative staff who contacted 911 upon speaking to Terri Horman and learning Kyron was not on the bus. Hall subsequently contacted Desiree Young. She did this while the Horman’s were on their way back to the school to see if Kyron might have thought he was being picked up that day as opposed to riding the bus or some other sort of snafu.
According to the MCSO, the school records that could assist the investigation were never requested to be preserved by investigators and as a result were deleted.
So why was the Skyline School never named as a defendant in the previously pending litigation filed by Kyron’s mother Desiree Young?
The reason may lie in the recreational designation utilized on June 4th, 2010.
According to the National Policy and Legal Analysis Network (napl) it may be a simple question of whether Kyron disappeared during the “recreational” portion of the program.
Napl’s guidance to lawyer’s advising Oregon schools can be read here. Although the overall plan is relative to an obesity initiative, it would include research and advice on any school recreational or regularly scheduled event. Please tell me Cogen does not factor into this.
The following are excerpts from the report:
…”Absent special liability protection, school districts and other providers of recreational facilities have the legal duty to take reasonable precautions to prevent injury. What is reasonable is very context specific and depends on many things: most important, the nature of the harm, the difficulty of preventing it, and generally accepted standards in the management of recreational facilities…”
…” The only immunity Oregon grants to public bodies, which include school districts,2 is discretionary government immunity.3 Discretionary government immunity applies to choices “among alternative public policies by persons to whom responsibility for such policies have been delegated.”4 To fall under the protection of this doctrine, Oregon courts have said, the choice must result from the exercise of judgment and involve a public policy or nonroutine day-to-day activity.
…” In summary, Oregon immunizes schools for policy choices its officials make, but it holds schools liable for breaches of duty that occur in carrying out those policy choices…”
…” The recreational user statute should therefore provide strong protection to Oregon schools seeking to avoid liability arising from after-hours outdoor recreational programs on school grounds. Applying this statute to indoor recreational activities, however, is much riskier, although the case law does not preclude such a strategy.
Regular School Day- Changes Things
…” In Oregon, schools owe students a duty to “supervise at all times the conduct of children on school grounds and to enforce those rules and regulations necessary to their protection. . . . The standard of care imposed upon school personnel in carrying out the duty to supervise the conduct of students is that degree of care which a person of ordinary prudence, charged with comparable duties, would exercise under the same circumstances.”37
Is the issue of liability to Skyline School relegated to what time Kyron was abducted, presuming he was abducted, as is believed?
Very possibly.
As we know, the school opened early the morning of June 4th, 2010, as was displayed on the school’s marquis at least 2 weeks prior. Without particular knowledge of when the suspect responsible for Kyron’s disappearance entered the school, and under what auspice, one is left to the timeline of Kyron’s activities as juxtaposed with the start of the school day. As a regular standard of care, one could argue that begins with a student getting on the bus, if a passenger, on their regular route. What if a bus passenger is attending the “event” outside of the bus transportation? Admittedly, it seems moot inasmuch as neither one of Kyron’s parents have filed suit against the school or named them as having any negligence or liability. That said, it remains a possibility in the event Kyron is found.
There is no question Kyron was seen after 8:45AM- which is the time that a regularly scheduled bus arrives- which would ring the bell, so to speak, on the normal school day.
To be Continued:
Roid Noise And The Boys In Blue- Publishing Thursday August 8. Preview Discussion Tonight on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW.
Ellie Sanders contributed research to this report.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
Image retouching courtesy of Klaasend
Previous Coverage:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/
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I was disappointed in the BK rehash of the “Team” perspective.
No mention of the SZ or anything new but for the fact that Dede
may have been given immunity when she testified B4 the GJ, which implies TH guilt?
BK assumes to know that TH spoke to AL in order to establish an
alibi – be seen at the store & AL would remember due to the conversation. IDK how anyone could assume to know motives of another
from that exchange unless BK was just building on the “Team” perspective?
Granted, some of TH’s behavior on 6/4/10 was questionable, IMO but could that be said of any of us on any given day in retrospect?
As CD points out, BK didn’t take the time to know the facts of the case that are on Timelines all over the internet.
Reminds me of the shrunken leather glove that O.J. fumbled around with at trial and Johnny Cochran’s now well known (BS) line “if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit.” That line turned the tide of that trial, despite a “mountain of evidence.” Theatrics – people seem to buy in…facts notwithstanding.
I have the book that Blink suggested “The Murder Business” by Mark Fuhrman on order at the library. Before reading page 1, I have to agree with Grasshopper’s comments about “the media have an entirely
different goal from the rest of us – maintaining the story as long as
possible…” JMO
@sam h says:
August 17, 2013 at 1:25 am
when stensen came forward his statement meant tmh couldnt have arrived and departed skyline, parking on access road, between 8:15 and 8:45, he would have gone thru the road then.
the next day when stensen said he changed his mind he didnt leave till 8:45 or 9, tmh could have parked there and left without him noticing. in a doj review, or any review by anyone outside the local area, i would think that that le “talk” with stensen would show interference or intimidation or just lousy le work.
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@MBS
If Stensen gave LE his timeline, then was asked later if he heard any of the bells and he remembered that he did, he would not have been gone at 8:45 and would have used that memory to revise his timeline depending on what he remembered doing when the bell rang – for example, walking to the office to return the key, loading the trailer, standing in the office, walking back outside, seeing children go to the flowerbeds, locking the gate.
Agree that Stensen may have…
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To this issue I would add:
Stensen was still mowing when the children came out to release the butterflies by the flower beds. He made some comment about hoping that they didn’t come down to play in the soccer field.
The picture that Blink posted, showing at least 2 children with jackets on, could be children that were a part of that butterfly release – either waiting to go out & release or coming back
in. That was 8:43 am per time-stamp.
Stensen stated that while still mowing he saw the children and hoped that they didn’t come down to the soccer field.
> Assuming that the kids went out to release the butterflies after the 8:43 time stamped pic, that would place Stensen on the field & mowing after that time (8:43).
Given the fact that it would take 5-10 minutes to load the tractor on the trailer after he finished mowing, move his truck out of the gated area, lock the gate and return the key, I don’t see how he could have done all that and left the school any time before 9:00 or shortly after.
Then there is the question of how Stensen returned the key. Did he drive behind the school as he did earlier to retrieve the key initially?
I recall parents/visitors complaining that Stensen took up 3-4
parking spots with his truck & trailer. Was that when he picked up or returned the key? Both? Seems likely when he picked it up?
That would be when most of the ppl would be arriving – those complaining about his truck/trailer.
> Assuming the kids in the time stamped pic were coming back from the Butterfly release would move the Timeline for Stensen back about
20 minutes, IMO. Then it would line up with 8:45 give or take, when TH would be leaving. Personally, I question that she even parked on that access road.
>I think it more likely that the kids in the pic were waiting to go out. If they were outside just prior, they would shed their coats
quickly when returning to a crowded room, being overheated?
All JMO
T. Ruth says:
August 17, 2013 at 2:33 pm
@Blink, Sorry, didn’t realize you didn’t want it posted, ‘cuz it’s out there in your cache too, that’s how I first googled it.
In addition to a white truck,
there was a mention of an unidentified car, a MAROON SEDAN at one time in the discussion.
Has another care been ruled out in terms of possible involvement?
If tweeted-Mystery Man were in classroom 209 above, could he have seen what going on from his vantage around south exit door below and cars, people, trucks coming/going.
If had classes already started by then and would he have still been in the classroom at critical timing window?
Has another car been ruled out in terms of possible involvement?
@sam h says:
August 17, 2013 at 11:59 am
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_task_force_to_dis.html
During the investigation of ***the other potential persons of interest***, the team realized that ***some evidence*** — namely phone records and computer log-on information from Skyline School the day Kyron went missing — were not kept by the school district as the sheriff’s office didn’t request the preservation of those records.
Staton and Gates said they did obtain other information from the school via a search warrant submitted to Superintendent Carole Smith, but could not comment on the school phone records or computer data being preserved.
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IMO, this tells us that LE was, in fact, investigating what they termed as POI’s at the school. Why else would they need computer log-in and school phone records, if they weren’t looking at someone who worked at that school? The question in my mind is, were they able to cross these POI’s off their lists? Have the researched them as much as they have TMH? Those are my questions and this article doesn’t answer that question. Why didn’t a reporter follow up on this?: “Ummmm, Sheriff Staton, are you saying you needed those records to cross someone at the school off your list?” “Have you now been able to do that?” IDK, mind boggling. Anyway, to me it’s LE making a huge statement here.
What, what would computer log-in information tell LE? What would school phone records tell LE? They were looking for this information when they were investigating a POI. Why?
Wanted to add this, this was the Task Force that was looking at these other POI’s. The task force wasn’t formed until sometime in September 2011. IMO, that’s when someone decided we should be looking at other potential perps besides TMH.
Sorry, I meant September 2010. (Too many years going by here!)
@Rose & MbS
Yes, 100% agreement on the weird reaction by Principal and hush-hush of school. This comment from Keefer starting the next year has bugged me since the day I first read it:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/community/4910.htm
The media has been the hardest thing by far. You’re under the microscope all the time in strange ways, and **you don’t know what their angle is**. I never thought that in planning back to school events, I would have to think about a press conference **to discuss the safety of our students**.
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WTH? A kid was lost last year inside your school, and you don’t understand the media’s angle, wanting to know what you’ve done to assure the safety of your students? Geeze Louise!
Have you all ever seen this? She is a counselor at George Middle School. ( Where Keefer is now.) Posted in January 2011:
(snipped)
When Kyron was first reported missing, all fingers were pointing at his school. He had been at the school in the morning, before the tardy bell, and was not reported missing until his afternoon bus did not drop him at home. Folks rushed to judgment – the school hadn’t been watching him, someone had snuck in and taken him, the grounds were unsafe, the staff negligent, the district uncaring and cheap. Why were there no security cameras? Why no campus police? Why did the Principal not have four sets of eyes and the skills of a psychic?
Much was made about the 7 hour lag time between the first morning bell and the afternoon bus drop off, and reasonably so. Had it really been that no one noticed the absence of this little guy on his special Science Fair day? Who should have reported him absent? The secretary? The Principal? The classroom teacher? Is it the school’s responsibility to notify parents that students are absent, or is it the parent’s responsibility to notify the school that their children are absent?
Many of our schools have a service known in our district as ‘the auto-dialer’. This is a recorded message service that calls and reports “Your student is absent today, Monday, June 11.” The recorded voice is low and monotone. It does not differentiate between a real person and a voice-mail, It cannot answer questions. On busy days, it may not reach a parent until 6 pm or later, and will only call if the absent child’s name has been punched into the system before noon. Sometimes it glitches and doesn’t call at all.
Most of us were horrified by Kyron’s disappearance, and we sat glued to the TV news. We updated each other, sent texts, searched our neighborhoods, posted for help on Facebook. People magazine picked up the story, as did other media sources. It haunted us all summer. By now we know that Kyron never made it to his morning class and was last seen leaving the cafeteria with his step mother. This changes the finger-pointing, and the caring school staff are no longer being tried in the media. However, it doesn’t change the bright light glaring on our very faulty system.
http://edsome.com/2011/01/safety-trauncy-and-prayers-for-kyron-hormon/
So anyway, who told this person Terri was last seen with Kyron in the cafeteria?
I kinda’ stumbled across this RSO yesterday. He was living here when Kyron disappeared:
HALL, ANDREW CHARLES 10/31/1984 View Bulletin (More Info…)
123 W BURNSIDE ST #317 * PREDATOR *
PORTLAND, OR 97209
If I’m reading things right, I think he is in Idaho now as of December 2012. Was busted for multiple parole violations/rape after his first offense in 2003. (What does it take to keep these guys in jail?) It does not specify his *preferences* and I can’t seem to find anything on his original arrest.
Anyway, he has a very youthful appearance for his age. Just thinking about a possible mistaken identity for a former student.
http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Idaho/Ada-County-ID/Andrew-Charles-Hall.37823214.html
http://www.justmugshots.com/oregon/portland/1019296
http://www.bustedoffenders.com/idaho/eagle/sex-offenders/andrew-charles-hall/sx25522
@Venetia.
Iirc Blink said kids went out to release
insects they’d reared for butterflies at 8:40,
prior to pic.
@ATG, Thank you for your thoughts on this. How do we reconcile the credible witness account of the three men and Kyron near the truck on the access road. This is an indication to me that we have gone from a lone SZ to some sort of conspiracy targeted retribution type crime. With LE’s fourth investigative focus being someone who parked in the south lot, I wonder if Kyron was walked out of that south entrance (which is where witness accounts placed him) and got into a vehicle, and transferred to a white truck on the access road (thought to be the Horman truck). Seems like a ridiculously risky scenario, but how else can this sighting be explained? Three men? I see one as the abductor, and the other two as the driver (who was said to be in the truck) and one outside the vehicle, being the one Kyron was being handed off to. Thoughts?
A Texas Gramdfather says:
August 18, 2013 at 12:38 am
erose
If you are certain that Kyron left the building via the South entrance, the there are two choices of where the vehicle was located. The East parking lot and the soccer field road. The second choice would have been isolated by the difference in elevation between the ground surface where the set of steps is located. This would also prevent people walking to a vehicle in the East lot from seeing anything.
Someone posted that no one could have heard a scream for help from Kyron if the abduction took place at the soccer field. I think indicating that the ground surface difference would prevent it from being heard. If it were quiet, the sound would travel up and could be heard. The problem is how much noise from conversation was being generated inside the building. That would cover it up. If there is little noise, one can hear an ordinary conversation up two or more hundred feet.
I would not like being a bus driver serving that school. There is no bus loop in the East parking lot area. This makes the driver have to drive to the area of the back or North lot area and turn the bus around and then drive to the East entrance prior to letting the children exit the bus.
reviewing snips from first thread page:
“Ky was in the exact room pictured in the piece. The pic was taken prior to his entry into the room. To my knowledge, Ky was not seen inside the school again and was missing following being put into a group but prior to returning to the classroom where a classmate pointed out to Ms. Porter he was missing.
B
Survivor says: August 7, 2013 at 10:36 am
@Blink ….
I’m confused. Is Kyron in this pic?
No. The witnesses who saw SZ are, however. B”
—–”Kyron looked up at the request toward Ms. Mathews, and she nodded affirmatively. The two exited as I wrote. B”
—–”Group leader was unaware.
B”
—–”Not when he went missing, to my knowledge he went to the electrical display room on his own. I cant determine if the groups were made up and a head count was taken once they were in the classroom ( my belief) or not.B”
Here is the 8:40 cite:
wpg says: August 10, 2013 at 12:39 am
“In the second image you can see the flowerboxes outside of CR109 and CR110- at around 8:40AM, the kids with that study project (younger than Kyron) released butterflies.
B”
Actually I read elsewhere after Blink’s comment what was released were insects the kids reared for butterflies
@Blink
PP Rec is a city entity. Work with PPS to maintain fields, etc.
As the fields need to be maintained for spring and summer soccer, and IIRC he had a regular Friday gig there chances are that the KEYS to to the gate were on his person and would remain so.
For expediency. PPS contracts out. Time spent coming and going to the east entrace = more money.
And Stensen never mentioned going up to the school.
Might I suggest that the ‘white truck” sightings of Stenson at the east entrance included a white truck that SZ had.
Again, the chances that there were three white trucks intrinsically involved with this case is somewhat
suspicious. Unless there was pre-planning on the part of SZ. And that suggests, yes, merely suggests, involvement with someone who had something to gain.
And I still have suspicians of DD. His proximity to Kaine, penchant for disappearing, weirdness immediately during the June 4th timeframe, and subsequent attempted murder of a police officer just before Staton’s stated January date of hoping to “wrap” this up.
What if DD was the one “stashing” Kyron. Therefore Kaine believed he’d show up when the kids, child-supports, etc. were firmly in his hand? But something went wrong at Christmas time.
There is something strange, we all know, about Kaine’s stories. If he knew…starting in December, 2009, that TMH was getting fed up being the sole household drudge and giving restaurant-manager, child subsidy earnings to Kaine with no assurance of her name on ANYTHING?
This man uses women. Would he use his own child?
Wow, I had like several posts from this morning and they were all up and said waiting……they totally disappeared.
Never mind, as dear Gilda would say, I can see them now, still in moderation though. Had to log in again, just updated firefox maybe that’s why?
Thanks Rose!
Is there any possibility that SZ had an accomplice?
Is it possible that the K-1 projects were the butterflies, meaning no homework projects for the young students, so none of their own projects to prop on their desks and tables, therefore some outsourced projects were displayed in K-1 rooms, as well as in the gym and other generally shared rooms.
Meaning emergency exit near 109.
Meaning the sighting of Kyron and SZ near south entrance was earlier.
Meaning Kyron and SZ did not originally connect in 109.
Rose says:
August 13, 2013 at 4:19 pm
@TRuth. Sometimes Blink answers part of a Q & not all of a Q.
Imo he went in same door he went out.
Wish I hadn’t posted that without reading further. (Am re-reading 3X).
Enters CR109 Emergency Exit
Exits South Entrance
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Sometimes blink cannot be more specific even if she wanted to, lol. He did not exit the same door he came in. It is an emergency exit door, it has no way to access from the outside- only egress unless it was propped open, which it was not.
B
Or…
Enters South Entrance (encounters Kyron)
Exits CR109 Emergency Exit
Blink,
The September 14, 2012 national airing of AMW contained footage of Gates and KH speaking with J.Walsh and/or the AMW crew. The following are 3 excerpts:
Gates:
Terri Horman was the last person that we know of that saw Kyron at 8:45 on June 4, 20-10.
KH:
I believe that his stepmother – -she was the last one that saw him at school that day – - I believe she has answers. I believe she either acted alone or with another person to get him out of the area.
KH:
His stepmom was the last one to see him.
Is it your belief, Blink, that Gates and KH were deceiving the entire country regarding TH being the last person to see Kyron at school on June 4, or can you offer some other explanation for their words?
Thank you.
1. Gates is not privy to, or has discounted information from witnesses in this case. LE is under no obligation to release case sensitive detail or investigative strategy. Not sure of the soundbite timing but his own boss has stated publicly Kyron was seen after TH left, I think he referred to it as late morning or words to that effect.
2. I absolutely believe Kaine is capable of deceptive commentary to point a finger at TH.
3. I don’t know what their individual motivations would be, just that nobody has ever asked them
B
Found more. I sure as heck hope LE got around to checking out this RSO’s alibi. Dude looks 10 years younger than he is to me. Would fit right in at a school function, particularly if some of the volunteers were high school/college age. When Ky went missing, the address above is where it said he was, this says “homeless”.
https://so.apps.multco.us/content/hallandrew15039376
RE: the gate” found this post
Some of the scenerios suggested can be easily evaluated by spending an hour walking around the grounds of Skyline Elementary. Anyone can go there.
We did that this afternoon, very instructive.
The stairs on the west side of the school go to the athletic field, not the gravel driveway. To reach them you have to walk past the inside school office, out the front main entrance of the school, thru the raised bed gardens, down the stairs to a huge open-main playground, cross the playground to its western end-to the stairs that decend to the athletic field track (not the gravel driveway). The stairs reach the athletic field about 50 feet north of the chained gate at the end of the gravel driveway.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-504083_162-20013563.html?assetTypeId=41&blogId=
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I don’t know why the fence/gate don’t show up in the satellite pics.
This video showing the gate and Stenson locking it with a key with a large key fob on it:
http://www.kval.com/news/local/100632889.html?tab=video&c=y
I swear everything about this case is confusing.
LE and bio parents and one stepfather, all keeping secrets, have not found Kyron in more than 3 years.
Desiree, speak openly about the truth and scope of your “health” problems that cost you custody of your 2 sons.
Kaine, shut up about the “shows” you appear in to “raise awareness,” and instead, admit that you are an asshole who does not like pregnant women. You bailed on DY and you bailed on TH when they were pregnant. A lot of men do not like “their” women pregnant. Own up to your stupid egotistical self-absorbed need to have a hot babe with tight abs, and help LE find YOUR son.
’nuff said. Everyone involved in this case has to grow up, man up, fess up, stand up, admit mistakes, shut down the egos, and focus on Kyron and not on affairs, connections, loyalties, fears, worries that someone will lose a job, etc., etc., etc…..
I cannot believe that grown men and women have sacrificed this child to their own selfish sense of self-protection.
I am appalled that a school principle would not make a major effort to collect and maintain all records made at the school that day and for several days afterward. It may be helpful to have kept records from a week previous if they were not previously destroyed.
In a case of this type, one never knows when a piece of information will provide LE the clue that solves it or leads to other information that will.
I honestly do not believe LE’s statement about these records. I mean, by what means did they investigate them in the first place to know of their existance? I have to assume the school has best practice storage retrieval and archive that would be inline with whatever is established at the state board level- or are they referring to something else?
B
A Texas Gramdfather says:
August 18, 2013 at 12:38 am
(snipped)
Someone posted that no one could have heard a scream for help from Kyron if the abduction took place at the soccer field. I think indicating that the ground surface difference would prevent it from being heard. If it were quiet, the sound would travel up and could be heard. The problem is how much noise from conversation was being generated inside the building. That would cover it up. If there is little noise, one can hear an ordinary conversation up two or more hundred feet.
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That someone would be me.
Also – the weather was very cool and rainy, even for Portland. It is unlikely windows would be open in any area of the school. (We generally don’t have air conditioned schools here.)
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/SkylineSchool032-1.jpg.html?sort=6&o=241
Access rd. chain-gate.
Just wondering, who else has a key to this access road and where does the road go? What exactly is it used for?
@T.ruth,
Thanks for that post! I totally forgot about that. WOW on so many levels!
It pays to spin the “Team” perspective.
A mere 6 months after the damage control article she published:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/liz-delmatoff/11/583/69b
Liz Delmatoff
School Improvement Specialist at Portland Public Schools
Portland, Oregon Area
Education Management
@TRuth. The access road was Stenson’s route to the soccer field circular road.
While the key was kept in the Skyline office for access, the field belongs iirc to the City
of Portland, the reason a City employee mowed. I doubt he bothered to lock it behind him while he was there.
That resume, Venetia, is odd indeed for a County school employee imo. Who is she to Skyline?
At el eds there is a simple LAN under the purview usually of the librarian & maintained by her asst. A
Central Office employee is an advisor/troubleshooter.
Is this the person who ran Skyline’s internal network?
In el eds these LANS are pretty individualized
depending on their software choices & wiring.
wpg … Thanks for the excerpts from AMW. JW’s lack of investigation always surprised me. For a man who was considered a prime suspect in his own son’s STRANGER abduction, I would have expected more thorough questioning and reporting. And why would he pick this for the show if he thought the suspect and [her] location were already known? I realize that he may not have had the information that Blink posted last week, but given early statements and timelines, you all had already figured the same thing (that Ky was removed from school by someone else) so why didn’t JW also question that? Unless, as a father, he felt kinship to KH and bought that story hook line and sinker. IDK, it seems to me that there was enough information out early and enough contradictory statements from KH to justify not believing everything he said.
@ Blink’s article:
I was surprised by the statement Houze made (see below).. If Houze wants media scrutiny and/or media attention to veer in Terri’s direction, why doesn’t he make more statements? Why doesn’t he give some big time reporter future exclusive rights to his/Terri’s first interview in exchange for putting some of what Blink’s article says in print?
“The only comment about the withdrawal of the civil tort action by Stephen Houze:
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
Having read back & seen TRuth’s post on LD, I must say she’s as competent as her resume predicted for her various PPS positions. Nothing seemed to qualify her as a School Improvement Specialist (which is related in our County to academics–teacher training in curriculum & classroom instruction.
She appears to have gotten that job at George the year BK began there. Nothing in her resume qualified her for 4 years as a social media instructional expert. That is the same fall the former Skyline Resource started at George with BK. He had been a PPS first time hire by BK at Skyline, an odd match for Skyline’s population as his Calif certification was with very regressed who needed daily living skills training. Skyline needed a resource skilled in multisensory academic instruction. Probably George has the better population match for Terrones. I wonder how
LD got on the Keefer team at George and where she worked before. She seems to know zip about attendance reporting policy and zip about automated phone reporting system & its role in communication.
When reading background on AMW at the time, his script writer iirc sits in Silver Spring & writes the script from newspaper articles and does not fact check. He is telling a storyline from published articles. Iirc, his longstanding team had fallen apart & his previous editors/producers had departed the show. that’s just from my memory tho.
@TRuth. Did you notice this Liz-ism?
Innovatively, probably her ticket out of her 6th grade classroom to the SIS job.
She writes “All I have to do is click ‘alert’, type in a quick message, pick the name(s) out of a drop down bar and click send. It couldn’t be easier, and it costs exactly nothing. It has freed up our attendance monitor and front office secretary from tedious calling and message-leaving -”
http://edsome.com/author/ej97000/
She goes into the full day it took her to type cells into a notice home list.
Doesn’t say how she maintains–deleting & adding names, capturing changes when
parents change cell carriers. No to mention PPS is paying her to instruct kids, not type cells nos.
imo goal displacement on her part.
Says Her school attendance secretary & front office
is no longer following PPS policy & notifying homes (she brags).
Anyone who has been on these text lists for sports clubs knows their
management challenges. A good thing to add on to communication portfolio if a teacher
has time (I thought they fon’t), but no substitute
for following PPS notification policies & the attendance secretary’s important role.
BK seems to reward loose cannons.
Mockingbirdsings
Yes, I know about the weather conditions in the Northwest. I have traveled in Washington and Oregon in August. There is generally no need for air conditioning except for removing moisture in the air.
Few public K-12 schools anywhere were air conditioned until the 1960′s. I never sat in a classroom that was air conditioned. We didn’t even have ceiling fans. Just open the windows and hope for a gentile breeze to keep things reasonably comfortable.
Rain is noise and will prevent sound from being transmitted in the air over distance by breaking it up.
Thanks for the link Venetia
This is a resume. I didn’t see anything on it that would translate into school improvement. Perhaps some work experience has qualified her claim.
Well, the answer to how Keefer came to hire her in the School Improvement job at George:
http://edsome.com/2010/06/texting-paid-off/
However nothing in her resume shows knowledge of an ability to chose & train teachers in academic instruction.
She lauds, in a blog, Canby using ipods for kids to practice reading fluency. Software and cultural media tools are no sub for skilled instruction.
Denkla pointed out Fasforward, a language software program which cost our family thousands, is a failed instruction. Read Naturally software, used for fluency in our County el eds & middles, was fruitfully scrapped by that Ray Myrtle for a wholistic curriculum & direct teacher instruction. I am distressed social media promoters are promoted in a County when they give no resume evidence of understanding field-tested reliable curriculum and associated teaching methods & their rationales.
With his outcomes as measured by State test performance at Skyline I have to wonder how much BK really knows when he hires these enthusiasts.
typo:…an ability to choose curriculum & train….
Blink
I hope you are correct about the care of data by the school. However, my experience in schools tells me otherwise. Schools are far,far behind business in the use and care of data.
Your comments raises the question of was the school using PR to play CYA and did LE even bother to ask for such information.
I would agree with that.
B
looks like the same Liz, counselor & some kind of exposure to ASD,
husband named Bill (below in PPS)
http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=1636761349&targetid=profile
http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/adoption/view_story.php?car_id=128879
http://www.mylife.com/billdelmatoff
same Bill, seems now a special ed paraeducator @ PPS http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/davinci/160.htm
however, veromi doesn’t add up
TRuth, she links to Missing Kyron FB on her blog and my guess is she got the “cafeteria” comment from social media rather than Keefer. (what would he know of the investigation anyway?)
He’s the last person who’s made himself an expert on the abduction imo. Career taint = distance.
Just wondering if anyone read the Wiki page on Kyron? The one on Blink looks likes it’s been written by a hater? I know Wikis are often misleading, edited by whoever, and presented as fact ( why we steer students AWAY from them for research!) yet are where many go for the “quick” info.
in terms of Keefer’s knowledge, all he could testify about to the GJ would be his policies & procedures & his judgments of specific people ie Kyron or his teacher. So if child witnesses said SZ entered an emergency exit, asked for help, & Matthews nodded permission, Keefer could say that door could not be opened from outside. And Matthews was well-trained, had good judgment, & would never do that, discrediting the child witnesses. A reason to never call Matthews to the GJ. What more does Keefer know, really?
This is an interesting article about a PPS-wide project called the Portland Project, it was apparently launched in January 2010. I was thinking about Staton’s “million data points” or whatever the term was. Anywho, I was wondering which social media venues these kids were allowed to use and who may or may not be able to hack into them. This probably has nothing to do with Kyron’s disappearance, I just found it interesting and I wonder how they keep these social media sites safe from predators.
http://www.centerdigitaled.com/classtech/Portland-Project.html
(snipped)
Powerful computers
Instead of sitting students down with a piece of paper, a pencil and some 3×5 cards, George Middle School is allowing them to use tools such as their cell phones that help them learn better, faster and more accurately, said Liz Delmatoff, the school’s counselor and key member of the pilot Portland Project. While many of the kids don’t have landlines, 75 percent of them have cell phones.
“These kids are walking around with little teeny tiny powerful computers that they know how to use and, I think, for a while we as educators missed the boat by saying ‘put that away, stop playing,’ Delmatoff said. “All of a sudden we kind of opened our eyes and went, ‘Wow, you’ve got something cool in your hand, let’s go with it.’ And they’ve appreciated it.”
In September, Delmatoff contacted technology social media strategist Karl Meinhardt to help the school start using social media in the classroom. But they had to get creative. They couldn’t use popular social networking sites such as Facebook and Twitter, which the Children’s Internet Protection Act identifies as possible predator hangouts. As a Title I school, they must use sites that the act approves to receive funding.
Actually looks like the program started in November 2009, as the article says eight months into the project:
Social engagement
Eight months into the Portland Project, students are building websites, writing blog posts and creating videos about what they’re learning. For example, when President Obama gave a speech on his goal to extend the school year, teachers had students respond on their blogs.
And they’re choosing to learn about things they’re passionate about, Meinhardt said, including animal protection, the history of skateboarding and the history of Chinese culture.
“If you can engage three kids and help them find their life passion just because of a new tool, I mean, that’s a pretty big achievement in my world, because I was brought up in a school system that was not about passion,” Meinhardt said. “It was about rote achievement.”
The kids actually stay after school and work on projects at home for no credit or rewards too, Delmatoff said. In February, the school started a voluntary homework club called ExtraSpecial.
(snipped)
http://www.centerdigitaled.com/classtech/Portland-Project.html
http://globalcollaborationsims.pbworks.com/w/page/9264265/Connecting%20Your%20Students%20to%20the%20World%20Through%20the%20Common%20Core
I guess these are at least some of the sites.
Here’s what doesn’t make sense to me. When someone makes a statement such as “Terri was the last known person to see Kyron”, two things strike me. Obviously there was another person who *saw them together at the same time*. So the statement should read *Terri was one of the last known persons to see Kyron.* or better yet, *Terri was the last person seen with Kyron*, or *Kyron was last seen with his stepmother, in such and such place at such and such time.* Now that makes sense, but they have not said that and I don’t understand why. Someone had to witness said event.
Secondly, why even use the word “known”? Does that mean someone else saw Kyron after that with someone unknown? Really strange wording IMO. I always get the feeling that LE is not being on the up and up in many of their confusing statements. Tricky wording and all. How many reports have we read that left us scratching our heads in this case? Too many, IMO.
@TRuth. Imo MCSO personnel, and forgive me the Bernstein-led media, got no awards for grammar & sentence construction.
Imo that statement means exactly what it says poorly: Terri was the last person who is “known” (meaningidentity is known) seen “with ” Kyron. Even if he checked into class & was put on a chaperone’s “list,” we know he was not “with” her (jointly together), but skipped off footloose to Rm 109 where he was not “with” anyone either until he went “with” a stranger out the door.
That’s how MCSO tells the truth but obfuscates,
& media don’t have a clarifying question in their repertoire.
the differentiation between Terri & SZ is Terri is known; SZ is unknown.