Kyron Horman Exclusive Report: New Suspect And Botched Investigation Rumors Abound- Terri Horman Prepares To Fight For Couples Daughter Following Seclusion
If you are reading this and have followed the Kyron Homan disappearance coverage since he vanished from Skyline School on June 4th 2010, you know my coverage and commentary has focused on the macro analysis of the case details- both publicly available and via developed sources. This report contains newly released information known to law enforcement. It’s contents, to include reader commentary and moderation response, may not be reproduced or copied without express written consent by it’s author in accordance with applicable copyright law.
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Last Week’s Meet And Greet
On Tuesday July 30th, the attorneys representing Terri Moulton Horman, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young attended a series of case hearings. Not held in chambers as announced, but public guests were barred.
On the docket- Desiree Young’s “stay” status of the $10 million dollar civil tort action brought against Terri Horman and the dissolution (divorce and custody) litigation brought by Kaine Horman, Terri’s estranged husband. Until July 26th, there were additional hearings and status conferences scheduled for the recently renewed Freedom From Abuse and Protection Act (FAPA) motion to contest and compel depositions in the restraining order prohibiting Terri Horman from contact with the couple’s daughter Kiara, now 5 years old. Horman has not seen her daughter since June 2010 despite several attempts through counsel to arrange parenting time. Engel, one of the attorneys representing Kaine Horman, argues that the FAPA case is consolidated with the divorce action, and therefore stayed.
Peter Bunch, counsel for Terri Horman, argues that there is no consolidation order.
Non attorney’s still do not understand how the initial proceeding to renew the FAPA order occurred when the plaintiff failed to file the required motion and accompanying affidavits in advance as required, or even serve the respondent’s attorneys until ordered to do so by Judge Henry Kantor once the hearing commenced. Kantor ordered the renewal anyway. I will let the goodly Oregon bar members weigh in on that anomaly.
That was then. This is now.
As of July 31st, the FAPA restraining order was expired and a civil no contact order was put in its place. The dissolution matter (divorce) stay has been lifted and Desiree Young announced she was instructing her attorney’s to withdraw the $10 million dollar suit financed by public donations.
On the same front steps where Atty Rosenthal announced that they were launching the suit to peel the onion that is to include law enforcement, and to “make Terri Horman talk” was withdrawn in similar fashion.
However, on this occasion, Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill was not spotted on the steps observing. Rosenthal and Young indicated the recent appearance and testimony of former object of compulsion to testify, DeDe Spicher, as well as information that the investigative case file necessary (their words) to prove their claims would not be forthcoming. In an article analyzing the suit appearing on BOC it was predicted that Ms. Young would face possible countersuit and associated fees should the suit continue as filed.
Attorneys for both Kaine and Terri appeared before Multnomah County Circuit Family law Judge Susan Svetkey on August 1, 2013. Judge Svetkey is Houze’s wife. The docket information for that hearing has not yet been entered into the file as of this publication.
The only comment about the withdrawal of the civil tort action by Stephen Houze:
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
In recent interviews, Kaine Horman has intimated that his wife has expressed her desire to help find Kyron, or at least contribute to excluding herself as a possible suspect. He also admitted that he no longer has any communication with Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother. He sometimes wonders what law enforcement is actually doing on his son’s case. This is a firm departure from how Mr. Horman initially retained his six figure attorney Laura Rackner of Gearing, Rackner, and Engel & McGrath. Ms. Rackner appears to have promulgated her duties of late to her partner, Brett Engel.
This all seemed to start when formidable and well known tort Attorney Mark Wagner came out of retirement to appear as counsel for Terri Horman. Wagner and Rackner know each other, and Rackner is no stranger to LE –based dissolution entanglements.
In fact, Wagner represented her and her previous firm successfully.
Bagel Finagle
Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner is no stranger to law enforcement infused litigation. She is a former prosecutor for Oregon’s department of Justice, The U.S. Department of Justice, and Office of Chief Counsel. Ms. Rackner has specificity in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) casework.
Born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Laura received her B.S. in 1979 and her J.D. in 1984, both from the University of Oregon.
Prior to entering private practice, Laura served as deputy district attorney in the Marion County District Attorney’s Office; assistant attorney general in the Oregon Department of Justice; and on the staff of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Chief Counsel, Drug Enforcement Administration.
Record Scratch.
Martin Rob Cagan, The bagel king and according to him, a supreme target of a police shakedown at the hands of his former spouse’s attorneys was the litigious sort.
In fact, this may be how Atty Wagner decides to come out of retirement and become part of Terri Horman’s defense team while the civil suit was active.
Wagner’s firm represented Ms. Rackner in a suit filed by Rob Cagan in which he sued the Dueshete Police Department, A partner in the firm representing Caroleen Vanhoomissen, the suit (or ramblings of a very angry divorcee) alleges that the firm and its lawyers facilitated the difficulties of Mr. Cagan utilizing law enforcement sources directly by the attorneys was dismissed.
Ms. Vanhoomissen, the sister of Judge Vanhoomissen is also the owner of a horse farm in Bend, Oregon. Blinkoncrime was unable to verify if it was the Bend horse farm searched in the early days of the investigation for Kyron.
Attorney Rackner’s prior working relationship with the DEA, the very agency that supplied the undercover officer in the failed sting involving Horman landscaper Rudy Sanchez begs the question- Did Rackner use her contacts and/or credentials to facilitate a surreptitious ruse to gain favor for her client in anticipation of his wife’s potential arrest?
Kaine is on record that law enforcement informed him they had probable cause to arrest Terri. What is not on record, is what came first- the referral to Rackner.
I just want to do what I can to help law enforcement
Seems like an odd comment coming from a family attorney with a background as a prosecutor working with the DEA, which agency subsequently becomes involved in the case- or initially led to her representation- the chicken or the egg facts remain unclear.
The ex parte and originally sealed restraining order did not exclude Terri Horman from the marital home. Was this an oversight of a very seasoned family attorney or was the basis of the now defunct restraining order as provided to Kaine Horman and Laura Rackner by law enforcement effectively invalidated by Terri Horman calling 911?
Is the reason that Atty Engel seems to have taken over representation of Kaine Horman due to the fact that these actions could render Ms. Rackner a witness in her client’s case as opposed to his Attorney?
In the motions and subsequent hearing scheduled for July 30th, the only available arguments outside of the parties agreement is to contest the basis for the FAPA order- or, the allegation Kaine Horman has made within his affidavits more than once, that his wife tried to hire “our landscaper” to kill him, and that she is being investigated for “violent crimes.”
The outcome?
The order was converted to a civil no-contact order which has not yet been added to the file for public review.
Desiree and Kaine’s respective camps both claimed “protecting the integrity of the investigation” was their only interest although the ONLY 2 witnesses who were summoned for deposition by Terri Horman’s lawyers were- the lead investigator of Kyron’s investigation for 18 months- Bobby John O’Donnell and Kaine Horman.
Back To School
Skyline School, the International Baccalaureate candidate who announced the IB open house format weeks earlier via take home handouts to its students and also by displaying the event on its marquis has never been declared a crime scene. Although in nearly every legal support brief or news coverage article Terri Horman was dubbed “the last person to be seen with Kyron Horman” or more recently by Desiree Young as “Kyron was last seen by someone who cared about him at 8:45 am” absolutely no witness account or Science Fair insider was known publicly to dispute such accounts.
Until now.
“Once I learned all that was going on that same day, in that same school, I did not understand why I was being told that Terri Horman was the suspect, and one other person… It never made sense to me that they knew Kyron was seen with someone else besides his stepmother after she left, that they seemed to not even consider another theory.” (*Editor’s Note*- parts of the source’s quote have been redacted as they would reveal identity of witnesses in an ongoing criminal investigation)
Electric Slide?
Sometime after Terri Horman left the school with her daughter Kiara in tow, she was captured on store video prior to Kyron’s exit from Skyline School. It is believed Kyron was last seen between 9:05 and 9:20 AM.
The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.
Classroom 1 Property of www.blinkoncrime.com
(Editor’s Note: It is believed that Desiree and Kaine’s comments about concern that instruction they gave him last year about listening to staff “came back to haunt them.” They have never acknowledged they were told about this witness account but a source close to www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed they were informed but not given a witness description.
www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed the EXIF data on the image includes the timestamp of June 4 2010 at 8:43AM PST.
Backstory OR Backdrop?
Among the peers of Kyron Horman in attendance on June 4th, were some children whose parents may have been granted access via the open house format, although documents filed with the school and LE would preclude the parents from removing them.
In fact, the mother of a chief witness in this case was arrested that very day for attempting to fill a script that did not belong to her, in a pharmacy that Terri Horman allegedly also visited that morning.
Another child whose parents lost custody due to very long histories with substance abuse and associated criminal behavior had the additional possible misfortune of closely resembling both Kaine and Terri Horman.
Non Custodial Parent Red Long Hair
It is unknown whether either parent took the opportunity to visit the school that day, but they were not included on the published list. While barred legally from removing their child from the school they could not be barred from a publicly announced invitational. There was no ID checks or sign-in sheets for non-volunteer guests.
In an unrelated twist, the child’s Father was found deceased in front of a Portland residence in April 2012. The name of the child and Kyron’s schoolmate, guardians and parents are being intentionally withheld for this article.
Sovereignty In lieu Of..
Among the many unanswered questions in Kyron’s disappearance: Why hasn’t the school been held accountable? He disappeared on their watch- with a concise standard of care duty and plan.
What really happened?
There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck. There is no dispute that Kyron was last seen at Skyline School. There is no dispute that both Kyron’s parents expressed concern that last year’s discipline involving instruction on being a better listener may have come back to haunt them. They said so.
What may be in dispute, for sure, is how accurate the list of attendees at the Skyline School of June 4th, 2010 is.
As an example, one witness told Editor In Chief, S. Christina Stoy that a young male former student said hello to Susan Hall and when asked by a parent who the lad was a few days later, she said she was not sure. He is NOT on the list.
When another parent subsequently asked Ms. Hall who the student was following Kyron’s disappearance to verify he was on the published list- she responded she could not remember. Ms. Hall was the Skyline Administrative staff who contacted 911 upon speaking to Terri Horman and learning Kyron was not on the bus. Hall subsequently contacted Desiree Young. She did this while the Horman’s were on their way back to the school to see if Kyron might have thought he was being picked up that day as opposed to riding the bus or some other sort of snafu.
According to the MCSO, the school records that could assist the investigation were never requested to be preserved by investigators and as a result were deleted.
So why was the Skyline School never named as a defendant in the previously pending litigation filed by Kyron’s mother Desiree Young?
The reason may lie in the recreational designation utilized on June 4th, 2010.
According to the National Policy and Legal Analysis Network (napl) it may be a simple question of whether Kyron disappeared during the “recreational” portion of the program.
Napl’s guidance to lawyer’s advising Oregon schools can be read here. Although the overall plan is relative to an obesity initiative, it would include research and advice on any school recreational or regularly scheduled event. Please tell me Cogen does not factor into this.
The following are excerpts from the report:
…”Absent special liability protection, school districts and other providers of recreational facilities have the legal duty to take reasonable precautions to prevent injury. What is reasonable is very context specific and depends on many things: most important, the nature of the harm, the difficulty of preventing it, and generally accepted standards in the management of recreational facilities…”
…” The only immunity Oregon grants to public bodies, which include school districts,2 is discretionary government immunity.3 Discretionary government immunity applies to choices “among alternative public policies by persons to whom responsibility for such policies have been delegated.”4 To fall under the protection of this doctrine, Oregon courts have said, the choice must result from the exercise of judgment and involve a public policy or nonroutine day-to-day activity.
…” In summary, Oregon immunizes schools for policy choices its officials make, but it holds schools liable for breaches of duty that occur in carrying out those policy choices…”
…” The recreational user statute should therefore provide strong protection to Oregon schools seeking to avoid liability arising from after-hours outdoor recreational programs on school grounds. Applying this statute to indoor recreational activities, however, is much riskier, although the case law does not preclude such a strategy.
Regular School Day- Changes Things
…” In Oregon, schools owe students a duty to “supervise at all times the conduct of children on school grounds and to enforce those rules and regulations necessary to their protection. . . . The standard of care imposed upon school personnel in carrying out the duty to supervise the conduct of students is that degree of care which a person of ordinary prudence, charged with comparable duties, would exercise under the same circumstances.”37
Is the issue of liability to Skyline School relegated to what time Kyron was abducted, presuming he was abducted, as is believed?
Very possibly.
As we know, the school opened early the morning of June 4th, 2010, as was displayed on the school’s marquis at least 2 weeks prior. Without particular knowledge of when the suspect responsible for Kyron’s disappearance entered the school, and under what auspice, one is left to the timeline of Kyron’s activities as juxtaposed with the start of the school day. As a regular standard of care, one could argue that begins with a student getting on the bus, if a passenger, on their regular route. What if a bus passenger is attending the “event” outside of the bus transportation? Admittedly, it seems moot inasmuch as neither one of Kyron’s parents have filed suit against the school or named them as having any negligence or liability. That said, it remains a possibility in the event Kyron is found.
There is no question Kyron was seen after 8:45AM- which is the time that a regularly scheduled bus arrives- which would ring the bell, so to speak, on the normal school day.
To be Continued:
Roid Noise And The Boys In Blue- Publishing Thursday August 8. Preview Discussion Tonight on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW.
Ellie Sanders contributed research to this report.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
Image retouching courtesy of Klaasend
Previous Coverage:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/
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Well, all they would have to say is “really tall” and that would be a good clue re DAD.
Personally, I’d like them to take a closer look at the pervert who skipped the country, taught at Stoller Middle School, or somewhere, and (most likely) is the person in that one picture with the Skyline kidlets.
However, they probably won’t squeeze him enough to make him spit out information – (forgot his name) — and they still need to find DAD. Wonder who it was who helped him escape that Waldport police shooting…
@T. Ruth says:August 22, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Okay, my turn, does D.A.D. match the description?
Lol, one of the problems with the question is that there is no way to know if the SZ was wearing any sort of disguise to his normal person. To my knowledge, DAD as I have seen his images would not match, no.
B
…http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-777-kyron_horman_update_one_tipsters_startling_suspici.html
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This story always made me wonder if a ransom went unpaid.
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Ransom to wipe clean a drug debt, hence DEA involvement?
GraceintheHills says:
August 22, 2013 at 1:26 pm
I have a very different opinion of TY.
Thanks Grace…I see your point and I think a lot of people feel the same about him. I just have a different view of the Youngs.
TY is married to a woman who quite obviously had serious issues with TMH. I think his opinion of TMH is very much slanted ( perhaps subconsciously) by his wife’s accounts of Terri. And I believe that sharing those issues with MCSO, however well intentioned, could have been the basis for LE’s focus on Terri, to the exclusion of other possibilities for Kyron’s disappearance. And the child is still missing.
January says:
August 22, 2013 at 11:44 am
Not that they would without more evidence, but if they wanted to, could LE name Terri a suspect, due to a failed polygraph? I know poly results cannot be used in court, but can LE use the results to name someone as a suspect?
I guess what I am getting at is why they haven’t named Terri as a suspect? It is repeatedly announced that LE is soooo close to solving the case, with overly-obvious hints that they are close to busting Terri. If they have that much “stuff” on her couldn’t they at least name her as a suspect?
Also, I am curious Blink, if you’ve been contacted by any reporters or witnesses since you posted this article.. any backlash good or bad?
Unless I could quote for the record, I would not be able to comment on that January, but fair question.
B
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Hi January, unless an arrest is imminent, and sometimes not even then, LE rarely uses the word “suspect”. Since the Richard Jewel case, most agencies have used “person of interest”. LE also sometimes uses “witness” to describe some one who they suspect may have participated in the crime. That said, I think it was TMH’s own attorney who called her the “de facto suspect” in this case.
is this Desiree’s search k9?
https://m.facebook.com/K.9Forensics/about?refid=17
also rely on gofundme
google search for Kessinger also yielded
http://dastardlydads.blogspot.com/2013/06/non-custodial-mom-hires-pi-to-find.html?m=1
her dogs confused animal bones with human–
http://www.kapptv.com/article/2013/jun/04/search-parties-find-bones-determine-they-are-not-h/
Through another case, and through my professional and personal relationship with whom I consider the best SAR founder and handler in the US, I am very educated in the protocol for a trained cadaver k-9. I have not, and would not consider myself a handler, or able to evaluate alerts outside of a professional interpretation. I am trained to analyze that data in context of an overall criminal investigation as an evidentiary submission.
Phew, now that I have said all the disclaimer stuff-
A cadaver canine trained according to protocol that hit on animal bones would not be considered cadaver qualified.
Do they show interest? Possibly. Do they alert? No. Not if they have been trained correctly to include double-blind testing and false positive assessment.
I hate that I sound like Deb Downer. They are not going to find this precious wee-man, and I truly have no idea what the agenda for all this really is. There are now 3 separate funds available to engage a search- a search must be based on credible data.
This reminds me so much of sticking one’s tongue to a metal flagpole or swingset, in freezing temps (insert metal object of your childhood) that I cannot stand it. Not wishing to spoil alert anyone due for such a life lesson- but it is going to stick and it is going to hurt.
B
Just saw on Kyron Horman’s World Soldier FB page that the search is being led by K-9 Forensics. K-9 posted on their FB page they flew in with the dogs, sounds like last night, via SW airlines with the dogs. I assume the search is tomorrow?
https://www.facebook.com/K.9Forensics/posts/549648021757820
anyone found any successful searches of Kessinger?
In early 2013 she went to Tammy Sale before Dylan Redwine.
Both were found after she was there. (1 by a fisherman; 1 by formal LE search)
All I’ve found are the 3 unsuccessful cases, but I don’t have FB access.
I was hoping for a finding genius.
Controversial, at best, IMO.
http://mtstandard.com/news/local/authorities-defend-search—cadaver-dog-handler-critical-of/article_a4e1084e-7fe2-11e2-8cfb-001a4bcf887a.html
I don’t know a canine handler or certified SAR team member that is cleared to field test flesh, meaning human flesh. None.
In fact, if found in a landfill, and some untrained person is calling it flesh, that is a problem. Oye.
B
On the anti page it says the search is scheduled for Labor Day weekend. Don’t know why there are coming in so early other than to maybe evaluate different areas to decide where to search. Isn’t it rather random at this point? How would you choose an area to search with dogs and volunteers after 3+ years. Even if there were some fresh tip, what is the likelihood it is valid?
IMO this search is to justify keeping Desiree’s donation page up so she can continue to ask for money. They really should explain what this search is costing and where the money is coming from to pay. It hardly seems like there would be much left from what she’s received so are these groups volunteering their time and dogs? Will MCSO be involved in any way? Who is paying them. (notice I don’t bother with a question mark). It also means good media coverage for D. She will do an interview before that will be on all local tv and oregonian and afterwards, and then a bit later to tell about future plans.
I do not know their particular protocol, but my assumption is that they have to establish a perimeter, or search zone, and that those navigating that terrain need to prepare accordingly, and if not trained in same, that would be necessary to acclimate the handlers and canines.
That said, I do want to say that Brad Dennis, of The Klaas Foundation has an excellent reputation- as does Marc of course.
There seems to be a firm commitment that LE is involved, so I am clueless as to how that would work given the current status of the investigation as “ongoing.” Sigh.
B
GraceintheHills says: August 23, 2013 at 10:34 am
Thanks Gracie!
“search” dog owner = a retired firefighter. 2 woman business.
http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/Report-released-in-Tammy-Salle-investigation-slams-authorities/-/14594602/19097550/-/101pfbt/-/index.html
p9-11 http://www.n-sda.org/files/newsletter_files/03-15-13.pdf
Sunshine, Key says Lanor Day weekend.
Personally I would’ve have told anyone the date
but vetted signups submitting paperwork. Gonna
be a lot of lookie lurkers — so, maybe PR is the point
that’s Kelly says
1. T. Ruth says:
August 21, 2013 at 11:49 pm
So, did LE share Terri’s poly info with their bro in blue? How the heck else could he even comment on this situation?
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T.Ruth, in one of the 2010 interviews of KH or TY and DY, one of them said TMH came back to the house and told everyone there that she was very upset because she believed she failed one of the polygraphs. TY and DY were in the house at the time.
@erose. I had thot the same on the steroids–twas in the press vis a vis local le & firefighters etc on arrests.
And it goes without saying it was sold by & amongst gym denizens & body
building competitors (her as a candidate) & admirers building bulk (him as a candidate).
But true as the use may have been by their “types,”
I have come not to see that as the DEA sting nexus. It was prompted
by a mfh allegation & utilized the accuser himself. While RS may too have
used steroids (his bulk) for MCSO & FBI, the motivating factor was mfh.
The steroid investigations/ prosecutions in early 2010 were run by local County personnel (Clackmus?).
The FBI Field Office director had a background of clise work with DEA–but it was wrt to
real drugs from So America & Mexico. He’d ridden into town to make big cases (local “terrorist” arrests
& real drugs, not steroids imo). I think Blink has
nailed it MCSO & DA were working the Rackner connection in tandem with how the FBI Field Office Dir
knew to find an undercover hispanic.
with you wpg on the hope & support for Desiree.
fear for the emotional rollercoaster all involved
will experience.
My evaluation is skewed as I have such transference wrt to Kelley vis her “support”,
as hers is as my own younger sister would offer. Living at a distance
works for me. I feel DY needs a professional she trusts in to advise her.
I have always thought they should search in Washington. Just across the columbia from Oregon. It might be too far away to be an area added to Terri’s timeline but it could be that SZ was from washington and returned there with Kyron. I suppose setting up a search would be more complicated if it included areas Washington state.
@Blink – I hope you don’t end up with multiple posts but I can’t get the one I’m trying to submit to show up anywhere so I keep paring it down and trying in segments. Here’s another try at part 1.
This post below was related to the search for Tammy Salle by Wendy Kessinger who filed a very negative report about local LE after her search.
germanshepherds com forum search-rescue 234058 how not work law enforcement (actual link won’t post)
“Well, first handlers should be honest with family and law enforcement. the dog is but a tool. And NOT an infallible tool. Civilians also need to understand that if law enforcement is sometimes cool on a location it may be that they have intel that there are not about to share with civilians and do not want to waste manpower on a fantasy. Secondly, stay away from the press. Do the job and go. You are correct. do not deploy for anyone other than law enforcement. First of all cannot without a search warrant or property owner’s permission unless it is an area that all public has access to. Families are always desperate to find their loved ones. Very important to not act like the white knight coming in to save the day. Again, dogs are NOT 100% One never never advocates that especially on an alert that is not visibly recognizable as a target odor. And nobody can find where or if or when these dogs were nationally certified. It matters. Dogs can certainly still be wrong but that is a necessity for court later on if nothing else”
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Renee Utley
Port Authority Police
KaroSkocickaSamotaZM,ZOP,ZPU,FPR,FPR,ZVV1,ZZZ,ZZP, RHE,ZM TART, IRO titled SAR dog
ZVV1 Gabbi Mariko Bohemia
ZVV1 Jessy Vikar
http://www.nndda.org, Certifying official
http://www.voneintzeshepherds.com
http://www.dogsforconservation.com/
#17
@Truth And @Sue
Thanks for pulling up that Dateline Interview, verbatum. I was trying to find it again.
That interview, and the timeline for the first poly’s….Saturday (TMH) and Monday/Tuesday (Bios) was what had me convinced that the POLYs were done at the house.
With TMH the head of the household (yes, yes,….Kaine was the primary caregiver (gag me))….it just seemed very improbable for her to be taken out of the house for many hours at a time with a potential ransom call coming in.
And, of course, TY and DY’s interpretations of the validity of a “failed” poly made me believe they were very
closely connected with the one who administered such.
I still have never found a statement in which TMH actually states “I failed the Poly”.
Might be wrong….prolly AM.
@Grasshopper….i’m still not sure i’ve kept up with all posts here and am not sure you posted or got the motions for custody/parenting, etc.
If you didn’t, I did. The motion by Engles for Custody, Parenting and Psych Eval and Bunch’s reponse and
Declaration? I might be wrong but I think Bunch called Engel’s bluff, big time.
I was walking by the file room after traffic court and it wasn’t busy. So popped in. I don’t have a scanner so i’ll photocopy them and put them up this weekend if you don’t have them.
vw- the poly’s were not given to anyone at the home. The protocols for them in the first place would not allow that.
B
Here is the rest of my post, hopefully. Nope. Trying again.
gofundme com/29 mr 08 I think this was mentioned before.
The sadie says program is a program dedicated to children from pre-k to 6th graders on safety from strangers. Child abduction prevention and how to survive if God forbid it where to happen.
Created by Wendy Kessinger on March 10, 2013 She has $85 so far.
(She might consider having someone proofread her comments.)
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Albuquerque icito com /tag/wendy-kessinger/
28. June 2013
A local Albuquerque search group that volunteered in the search for Dylan Redwine spoke to Action 7 News Thursday after his remains were found and identified.
Rescue search volunteer Wendy Kessinger never gave up in the search for Redwine.
“During the winter we offered our services pro bono,” Kessinger said.
In February the founder of the New Mexico nonprofit K-9 Forensics traveled up to Colorado, volunteering her time and dogs to search for the missing teen
“(We) searched for 2 weeks. It was about 14 below,” she said.
In May, the dogs went back to Middle Mountain for another try. The group, which works with the FBI on missing persons cases nationwide, came very close to where Redwine’s remains were eventually discovered.
Kessinger said the hardest part about the search in Colorado was the terrain was incredibly difficult – rocky and so vast.
“You’re on cliffs, hillsides, hard ground, there was a lot, a lot of territory to cover,” Kessigner said.
Search teams trekked through the rough terrain alongside Dylan’s family and friends searching everywhere for any sign of the teen.
Even though the Redwine case is far from closed, Kessinger hopes the discovery of the remains will help the family find closure.
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www nbcmontana com/news /Report-released-in-Tammy-Salle-investigation-slams-authorities/-/ 14594602/19097550/-/101pfbt/-/index html
Kessinger says her dogs are certified in Florida.
We checked New Mexico where Kessinger currently resides and discovered her dogs are not on a list of “state recognized” search and rescue teams.
Once we started asking questions to other search and rescue companies across the nation we found many dog handlers concerned by the search. At the top of their list of concerns is the difficulty of searching in a landfill.
“It just makes it extremely difficult for a dog to work through anything like that, there is that slight possibility that one in a million chance that you’re so close to the body that you might find it but I personally wouldn’t do it.” Said Marty Neiman, the owner of Search One K-9 Detection.
Other professionals like the Institute of K9 forensics from California, a group that searched for astronaut remains from the space shuttle Columbia, told us some landfill searches can be successful.
Despite the findings from Kessinger’s report the Justice Department tells us that it has concluded the search at the landfill and will continue to search elsewhere.
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www koat com/news/ new-mexico/ Cadaver-dogs-join-search-for-Dylan-Redwine/-/ 9153762/18585854/-/ 13dat2fz/-/ index html
“We plan on staying out here for two weeks. If there isn’t any luck at that time, then as the snow starts to go away we will come back again,” Kessinger said.
The group has a specially trained team of cadaver dogs that can pick up a scent on something as small as a tooth.
“We have the tools. We have the K-9′s and one K-9 is worth 40 people,” Kessinger said.
The group hopes to find the teen. At the very least, they hope to rule out areas to help focus future searches.
K-9 Forensics met with Redwine’s family last week to profile the teen. They said it helps them search when they get to know more about the missing person.
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(MBS)
I get what they say about ruling out areas, but I could take any dog, walk around, not find anything, and say I helped rule out an area. It’s a lot of money and stress and time and effort if there aren’t good leads to go with it and competent professionals doing it. I am NOT attempting to judge at this point, just looking for what I could find.
It’s amazing that a dog would be able to find a scent from only a little tooth under snow.
OK, then. Sorry the links are all broken up in the last 2 posts. The moral is: Never let the computer win!
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I wasn’t stating it as fact. Someone asked about the local rumors. Since I hadn’t seen it talked about, I thought I might answer in hopes it would provide food for thought.
Back to lurking. Thank you for keeping Kyron’s story alive
I appreciate you mentioning it here SaChMo, as you know, this is the safety zone. Thank you for your advocacy for Kyron. And now you have the solid response for their consideration if anyone shares that opinion in the future- I hope you did not find my comment off-putting to you personally. I do think this case is so unreal at times that folks have to think that it really can’t be the current status so therefore some other explanation makes more sense- if that makes sense, lol.
B
Googling the names of other officers does not lend confidence.
http://www.bizapedia.com/nm/BC-K-9-SEARCH-RESCUE-RECOVERY.html
@Amys Sis, The whole 3 men seen by the credible witness is what derails the single SZ for me. Wish we knew who that was, and how credible they are. I agree that scenario goes towards drugs (steroids?) and ransom. DeWitt furthers that scenario. If it were not for the credible witness at Skyline, I would be a 90% solo SZ.
Is there a licensing & bonding requirement for child recovery search coordinators (whether part of gov’t or private?) Seems to me there should be some sort of uniform code States adopt with licensing regs.
Does anyone know the recovery success rate of KlassKids’ Dennis in searches he
himself has coordinated? On KK’s website’s bio, brilliant Dog has an impressive tally of 10 recoveries
in the hands, he says, of FBI & State LE. He lists participation in numerous natural disasters & searches, but his own coordination recovery rate isn’t on the one bio I found.
to me these credits are like saying a top arbitrager (fbi & a State police) made a fantastic rate of return on gold I lent, while I day traded multiple stocks but I do not mention my own rate of return. I hope to hear success stories.
nice testimonials.
http://www.klaaskids.org/search_testimonial.htm
Sounds like a family manager & media coach.
http://tttk9.com/brad-dennis/
looks like his speciality on this bio
(besides family & media mgmt)
is child sex trafficking which probably intersects
with finding teen runaways.
I had another post just disappear from yesterday, weird. I will try this one again.
Anywho, thinking of Kaine working as an agent for LE, made me think about his BKH website and foundation. There have been some bizarre things connected to that site, IMO. For instance, the Koloring with Kyron contest that was originally offered as a contest with some sort of prize (which no one ever won). (This never made any sense to me, so I’m still looking for answers.) Is it possible, that in conjunction with LE, that whole thing about asking children to submit drawings of Kyron doing what Kyron liked to do best, was an attempt to see if any of the children drew Kyron in an activity with a certain someone, or at a certain location? SZ?
(June 2012)
https://www.facebook.com/BringKyronHome/posts/463686826975286?comment_id=92720275&offset=0&total_comments=11
We are wrapping up a project that has been a long time coming and we can use your help. Koloring with Kyron is a coloring and activity book with coloring pages based on activities Kyron enjoys. We are asking for final ideas for some coloring pages. ***Please send in art work, drawings or concepts/descriptions depicting Kyron doing his favorite activities or visiting his favorite places.***
Please email submissions to: cindi@BringKyronHome.org
Thanks!
http://www.koin.com/2013/07/31/bethany-mom-younger-children-targeted-at-parks/
This was a couple of weeks ago, but the Somerset Meadows Park is only a couple of miles in a straight line south of Skyline. Little children are playing there constantly, very few parents or sitters anywhere in sight:
BEAVERTON, Ore. (KOIN) — A strange man was spotted last week approaching children at two popular parks.
Now neighbors in the Bethany neighborhood of Beaverton are on alert after they say the same man was seen approaching children at a park near Bethany Elementary School.
“He was specifically targeting the younger children,” said the mother of two children approached at Somerset Meadows Park near the school.
This Bethany mom told KOIN 6 News her young children were approached by the man Tuesday afternoon as they played at Somerset Meadows Park. She said the suspect “was asking kids if they want to play race cars, basically luring children.”
“It’s about as scary as it gets,” Shelly said, asking that her last name not be revealed.
Shelly’s children were with a babysitter Tuesday. She said the babysitter confronted the stranger, who then ran off.
“[It’s] obviously very concerning,” said neighboring parent Rebecca Barton. “I’m always with my kids — it’s never happened to us.”
Neighbors told KOIN 6 News this same man also approached other children playing at Somerset Meadows and Circle parks this past week. They said the man approaches a child and asks him or her if they’re alone, and where their mother is. They said he then offers them toys.
“It’s very scary you know,” said neighbor Matt Weishoff.
Shelly believes “he was specifically targeting young children.” And she would like to know the stranger’s intentions at these quiet neighborhood parks.
The stranger is described as a white man in his 20s. He is 6 feet tall, weighs about 180 pounds, has braces and was last seen wearing dark sunglasses.
“Finding out when you get home about an incident such as this,” she said, “[is a] very scary situation.”
@vw
Bunch’s response to Engel’s request for evaluation was not yet in the folder on wednesday. can’t wait to see that one! I’ll keep an eye on your blog. glad you got it,
@Blink
vw- the poly’s were not given to anyone at the home. The protocols for them in the first place would not allow that.
B
Yes. I figure as much, now. If LE was initiating them, they’d have to be somewhere else. Wonder who did get a poly though, and why or why not. Did Tony? Porter? Anyone at the school?
The only I know for certain are Tony, Desiree, Kaine and Terri. No results have ever been published or commented on past anyone repeating hearsay, allegedly from TMh herself, and then of course, Rackner.
B
Certainly Rudy’s results didn’t get published, if they even did poly him- with his vast knowlege of criminal activity surrounding the case.
Thanks for the link RedRose
http://www.koin.com/2013/07/31/bethany-mom-younger-children-targeted-at-park
This Bethany mom told KOIN 6 News her young children were approached by the man Tuesday afternoon as they played at Somerset Meadows Park. She said the suspect “was asking kids if they want to play race cars, basically luring children.”
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Race cars? Hmmmm, I was just going to make another comment about Kaine possibly using BKH as a tool for LE and wondering why Kaine does all these appearances at racing events and car shows. Seems to go to more car races than anything else.
@red rose
http://www.koin.com/2013/07/31/bethany-mom-younger-children-targeted-at-parks/
Here’s another one. In unincorporated Mult. Co. (i.e. Skyline area):
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/04/registered_child_sex_offender.html
The above was not in Ptld when Kyron went missing. But Adam Brown certainly could have had access.
BTW. Blink…..any connection physically between Brown (the Wendy attacker) and SZ. His address was downtown at the time. He wasn’t being monitored consistently and he could have known of Kyron from Roseburg. Slim chance, but there.
Brown could never have pulled off Ky’s abduction. That’s why he was hiding in a Wendy’s bathroom. I have shown a few witnesses his pic, not SZ. And I did so to be prudent, no way that profile is even in the same zipcode.
B
Okay, I will ask, cause I don’t see that anyone else has. With regard to the man that was found deceased in front of a Portland residence in April 2012, was this persons initials MAC? Just wanted to make sure you weren’t talking about the JTR, though in both cases, a cause of death/toxicology was never released.
Rose,
I understand your concerns re the emotional roller coaster.
DY has been on it for over 3 years and I respect and support her for keeping strong for Kyron.
In no way whatsoever am I saying the rollercoaster has become any easier. imo, DY has acquired knowledge and experience (that no parent should ever, ever have to, but sadly some do), and has been moving forward.
DY has been opening doors.
Her civil suit, imo, was not a failure or a waste of time. It may have led to certain actions by the DA. It may have prompted someone(s) to bring information forward to LE or a witness to come forward. Given DY’s concerns regarding DDS, the Motion to Compel, etc., her tort action may have prompted the recent Grand Jury appearance. At the very least it had to be of some relief to DY that this was happening. The door on DDS may have been closed with her testimony or she (DDS) may have opened another, who knows.
imo, more doors were opened with this upcoming search.
KlaasKids and their experienced SAR co-ordinator have come on board for Kyron. LE is involved in what sounds like a screening of volunteers and may be assisting in other ways.
I hope the turnout for qualified volunteers is a good one.
Trainers at gyms/fitness centers like the Xtreme Edge might be a good target group to make the cut for Kyron.
DY is making noise, making connections, making things happen.
Thank goodness for her sister and her supportive family and friends.
Thank goodness for good-hearted volunteers.
Thanks for your tenacity MBS.
I gather she was nowhere in sight
when a 5-day large LE search with a systematic approach
w/LE dogs located scant bones.
I gather her sine qua non is interviewing
the parents, which she insisted on with
Mr Redwine, tho hired by his adversarial
accuser, Mrs Redwine, none of which interview is privileged & all
her testimony about the Mr R interview will
end up in Court imo. Whether or not he’d agree
to be interviewedby her was plastered all over the
media as to whether he was “cooperative,”tho she’s not LE.
Watch for same technique imo from WK wrt TMH: demands to be interviewed
to “help” the search, followed by excoriation in media as not cooperative
when TMH refuses.
erose. do you have at yr fingertips a url for 3 men (or 3 people) @ truck similar to Terri’s Kyron was seen at?
“credible witness” was Desiree’s comment. Credible to her probably means a teacher. Imo teacher’s memories & judgement are no better than a number of witnesses seeing a car crash all from different points of view & each often with a different chain of events perception.
I am wondering if any media got this anywhere other than from Desiree (ie LE), and imo anonymous source is a bio in this case.
The reason being I don’t believe all of Desiree’s understandings came from LE. Some could be a reporter saying to her, “I heard….., did you hear that too?” Also there’s a telephone effect–witness tells interviewer, tells LE Supervising Detective, tells family briefing employee (ie Staton), tells Desiree. Plenty of room for detail error.
@Blink. Dennis & Kessinger seems to overlap
in a single case imperative: media use.
Gracie, I understand what you’re saying. That Terri is her own worst enemy in this regard, for coming back to the house venting about her failure, I guess my point is that’s not what Tony Young is implying here. :
KATE SNOW: Isn’t it possible, though, that she was just nervous, that she didn’t pass her lie detector test with flying colors because she was emotional or upset or nervous?
TONY YOUNG: There’s more to it than just that. The information that you’re giving, does it—does it hit your ear and sound right? Does it make sense?
KATE SNOW: She wasn’t making sense?
TONY YOUNG: Not from the information I heard from her.
IDK, they are talking about Terri’s alleged failing the polygraph. Tony says the information she “is giving”, that would be information she gave during the polygraph. How in the heck can he comment on information she gave during the polygraph, let alone publicly comment, unless he was there or someone told him exactly what information she gave.
I seriously doubt that Terri came back to the house and did a verbatim question by question as to what she was asked and replied on the poly.
Now I can see him saying something like, when WE asked her about her day, it didn’t make sense, but that’s not what he’s saying here. He’s saying flat out that the information she gave on her poly didn’t make sense. What makes him so sure?
Tony Young is a Medford Police Detective. Tony Young knows for a fact that sometimes police use the LDT’s as a tool. A tool, to rattle people they have any suspicions about. Did he mention that in this interview with Kate Snow? Did he mention Terri may not really have failed, but sometimes LE tells people they have just to see their response? No, hmmmmm, why not? It was the perfect opportunity, as Kate Snow was asking a detective exactly that question. The question was isn’t it possible she was emotionally upset or nervous?
He did not answer the question, instead he went on to say how what she said on that poly, didn’t make sense.
See where I’m coming from?
So, this makes me wonder if LE shared the poly info with him.
Anyone else notice in the above keywords attached to the top of the article include Canby Police and William Traverso?
@Blink,
Although I am ALWAYS an advocate for posting posters and trying to find Kyron, I have a sinking feeling about this new “SEARCH” effort ….. with a capital “K”.
It’s about timing. Right now Bunch has countered Engel’s Motion to subject TMH to Parenting, Custody and Psychological Evaluations. Essentially Bunch has called his “bluff”. TMH filed a motion to AGREE to all (with a possible protective order and limits on questions violating her 5th). Bunch ALSO submitted names of evaluators that Kaine did NOT….and countered his motion with a motion to submit BOTH mother and father to evaluations.
So…here’s my reservations on the search.
DY had LOST the Suit….it was not a decision to further the INVESTIGATION by not muddying waters or she would NEVER have submitted the suit in the first place. Rosenthall even sheepishly ignored questions regarding such from reporters….and COUNTERED with a sly “placement” of Dede being “investigated by the grand jury” in July. We all know that nothing has come of that.
IMO this is all a Saving Face/PR campaign as others have mentioned because of the following:
After the tearful presser that removes the suit forever:
1st Kelly on Gofundme makes a disclaimer about the funds.
Then DY says….let’s keep the page up so we can go FIND KYRON with it.
Then we have a “break” in donations starting to pile up again.
Is there really a “break” in locations that have strong possiblility of finding Kyron.
Or is this another case of wag the rescue dog?
I think the search and DY funding of same are separate from the disollution issues. Kaine and Desiree have been RE-estranged for a very long time as DY feels Kaine had oppty to tell her and Tony “what was going on”. There are 3 different funds and initiatives for searches for Ky- why this one?
On the “diss” front- TMH had to agree to have any real shot at seeing her child- and she should in the interests of Kiara’s safety and well being, imo. I said she would come out swinging or lose her standing for good and she is.
B
I am curious as to the “previous student” whose name couldn’t be remembered, and who wasn’t on the list. High school aged children can be extremely tech savvy today. I would also think that a teacher might not think too much about allowing Kyron to go help a “kid” versus an adult male. Blink, you mentioned that you showed a few witnesses pictures, did any of them say SZ was young, or young adult? I thought about this when I read the post of the Beverton man having braces. Thanks.
@Truth
Did he mention Terri may not really have failed, but sometimes LE tells people they have just to see their response? No, hmmmmm, why not? It was the perfect opportunity, as Kate Snow was asking a detective exactly that question. The question was isn’t it possible she was emotionally upset or nervous?
He did not answer the question, instead he went on to say how what she said on that poly, didn’t make sense.
See where I’m coming from?
So, this makes me wonder if LE shared the poly info with him.
T-ruth,
I do see where you are coming from. Have from the start. Did DY influence ty or vice-versa?
Regardless, their input influenced the investigation from the outset, and made any pressers suspect.
vw
This is what I think about this new search for Kyron all IMO
First and formost it is a search for Desiree’s boy. Sometimes remains/evidence of missing children are found years after they go missing so If DY can mount yet another search for Kyron I hope she can find something. If you have a missing child there will never be to many searches for your loved one.
Second I think that DY is getting involved in SAR operations involving children in southern Oregon so this is a good opportunity for her to get experience organizing searches with the added bous of getting people to search for Kyron again.
Third Since this search is being organized after Dede testifies to the GJ that Desiree hopes to rattle Terri by making her believe that Dede has given LE information about the location of Kyron. I’ll bet LE will be keeping a careful eye on Terri’s activities this week.
imo KH’s fund, the one with the real money,
has never been used to “search” for Kyron.
(the intent of the public)
Personally, I believe his failure to collaborate and spend
on searches Desiree wants to organize is the source
of the re-estrangement. People fall out over money.
Desiree’s Dad expressed disgruntlement over
Kaine’s hoarding of that fund before iirc. I doubt they were
ever un-estranged though; Terri drove. He wouldn’t enlarge
on her custody, refusing to be flexible wrt Kyron’s best interests.
@vw. It is the Norm in an adversarial custody battle for both to submit to psychologicals with the same evaluator.
The critical variable is the list to select from, so Kaine doesn’t throw in a pro-father frootloop. These biased evaluators would be well-known locally.
I’m absolutely with you the timing of this search, based on its choice of personnel, has everything to do with a media campaign to bury Terri’s custody opportunities in the divorce. That has akways been Desiree’s foremost agenda. No talkie/no Kiara. And it’s a more effective media route than the civil case.
In her public cases, WK has been hired by a bitterly adversarial mother (I suspect Desiree has bonded with Cody’s noncustodial mother). She then goes on to publically demand interviews with the parent who is the POI, who is branded as “uncooperative.” However wonderful Dennis is, his forte is coaching family member(s) on media use.
In these cases where body finding is highly unlikely, his organization’s name in the media due to his presence gives instant credibility to the bereaved parent’s media appearances & statements about POI.
So you bet your boots this search’s timing (not the search itself) is all about Terri as POI.
If not, a call for volunteers would have been advertised broadly in Kyron’s local community (licals would be the best searchers), including on the Skyline ES list serve, the Skyline Ridge Runner, and local press.
Rather the search volunteer fishing pool was Warriors and Roseburg FB groups. Now they’ll have some pithy volunteer quotes when TV cameras drop by.
If the search were not about Terri & press wrt to custody trial, it would not be rushed (scheduled c 3 weeks in advance) and volunteers would have been called for thoughtfully in local unbiased venues amongst locally interested public. It does Kyron no good to have a split & divide, polarizing presence in charge of his finding fate, whether Kaine or Desiree. Public’s search funds should’ve all gone to mcso or to a State Police fund.
@Lauren. Canby police & William Traverso are code words for the steroid prosecutions & investigations of LE which began in 2009 & broke in May 2010, and which Kyron’s kidnapping the following month entirely re-directed LE investigatory resources from. I assumed that case played a role in Blink’s Part 2 on Boys in Blue that we’re all waiting for. Perhaps that case breaking publically played some role in Terri & Kaine wanting to shut down a “yardwork” relationship with Rudy by early May.
Good idea, wpg: “I hope the turnout for qualified volunteers is a good one.
Trainers at gyms/fitness centers like the Xtreme Edge might be a good target group to make the cut for Kyron.”
Xtreme Edge newsletter & website wrt their membership, as well as 24 hour, would be fertile fishing grounds for volunteers; doubtless the Host of the Wall would collaborate. So would Skyline ES listserve, local firehouse list serve & website, Skyline Ridge Runner site, Sumset Presby member list serve. There are local small newspapers. If Dennis is a media expert, and he is the “search coordinator,” why hasn’t he turned to these sources for voluteers? It would be great media for Kyron. But instead his volunteer solicitation media are 2 small FB pages of Warriors & gofundme?
This community has a history of volunteerism and an interest in Kyron. It should be tapped.
Any pta mother organizing any volunteer event would know to advertise to local listserve
community groups, and take a couple months to plan.
I was studying the picture of SZ, and was wondering if it’s a possible match to this man from Salem, Oregon? http://www.sickcrimes.us/2010/07/oregon-rso-exposed-himself-4163
The type of offense doesn’t match but thought I’d share anyway. I can’t find information on his earlier conviction.
There is no pic of SZ? And just as an aside, I would not rule out that SZ might be all levels of deviant although at this stage I would not expect him to get caught.
B
At least three of Terri’s friends were polygraphed. (I’m assuming these were friends who bought the bat phones after Kaine moved out with the baby.) I am not sure if Dede is one of the ones who underwent the poly. If we are to believe her cousin, who was at first supporting Dede, he said she did not agree to take a poly. ?
(August 6, 2010)
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100161574.html
“She spent about 2 ½ hours with jurors and a prosecutor on the case. She is one of at least three friends of Terri Horman who had her house searched and who underwent polygraph testing with investigators about Kyron.”
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Note Keefer went before the GJ the same week. I wonder if anyone from that school was poly’d?