Kyron Horman Exclusive Report: New Suspect And Botched Investigation Rumors Abound- Terri Horman Prepares To Fight For Couples Daughter Following Seclusion
If you are reading this and have followed the Kyron Homan disappearance coverage since he vanished from Skyline School on June 4th 2010, you know my coverage and commentary has focused on the macro analysis of the case details- both publicly available and via developed sources. This report contains newly released information known to law enforcement. It’s contents, to include reader commentary and moderation response, may not be reproduced or copied without express written consent by it’s author in accordance with applicable copyright law.
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Last Week’s Meet And Greet
On Tuesday July 30th, the attorneys representing Terri Moulton Horman, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young attended a series of case hearings. Not held in chambers as announced, but public guests were barred.
On the docket- Desiree Young’s “stay” status of the $10 million dollar civil tort action brought against Terri Horman and the dissolution (divorce and custody) litigation brought by Kaine Horman, Terri’s estranged husband. Until July 26th, there were additional hearings and status conferences scheduled for the recently renewed Freedom From Abuse and Protection Act (FAPA) motion to contest and compel depositions in the restraining order prohibiting Terri Horman from contact with the couple’s daughter Kiara, now 5 years old. Horman has not seen her daughter since June 2010 despite several attempts through counsel to arrange parenting time. Engel, one of the attorneys representing Kaine Horman, argues that the FAPA case is consolidated with the divorce action, and therefore stayed.
Peter Bunch, counsel for Terri Horman, argues that there is no consolidation order.
Non attorney’s still do not understand how the initial proceeding to renew the FAPA order occurred when the plaintiff failed to file the required motion and accompanying affidavits in advance as required, or even serve the respondent’s attorneys until ordered to do so by Judge Henry Kantor once the hearing commenced. Kantor ordered the renewal anyway. I will let the goodly Oregon bar members weigh in on that anomaly.
That was then. This is now.
As of July 31st, the FAPA restraining order was expired and a civil no contact order was put in its place. The dissolution matter (divorce) stay has been lifted and Desiree Young announced she was instructing her attorney’s to withdraw the $10 million dollar suit financed by public donations.
On the same front steps where Atty Rosenthal announced that they were launching the suit to peel the onion that is to include law enforcement, and to “make Terri Horman talk” was withdrawn in similar fashion.
However, on this occasion, Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill was not spotted on the steps observing. Rosenthal and Young indicated the recent appearance and testimony of former object of compulsion to testify, DeDe Spicher, as well as information that the investigative case file necessary (their words) to prove their claims would not be forthcoming. In an article analyzing the suit appearing on BOC it was predicted that Ms. Young would face possible countersuit and associated fees should the suit continue as filed.
Attorneys for both Kaine and Terri appeared before Multnomah County Circuit Family law Judge Susan Svetkey on August 1, 2013. Judge Svetkey is Houze’s wife. The docket information for that hearing has not yet been entered into the file as of this publication.
The only comment about the withdrawal of the civil tort action by Stephen Houze:
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
In recent interviews, Kaine Horman has intimated that his wife has expressed her desire to help find Kyron, or at least contribute to excluding herself as a possible suspect. He also admitted that he no longer has any communication with Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother. He sometimes wonders what law enforcement is actually doing on his son’s case. This is a firm departure from how Mr. Horman initially retained his six figure attorney Laura Rackner of Gearing, Rackner, and Engel & McGrath. Ms. Rackner appears to have promulgated her duties of late to her partner, Brett Engel.
This all seemed to start when formidable and well known tort Attorney Mark Wagner came out of retirement to appear as counsel for Terri Horman. Wagner and Rackner know each other, and Rackner is no stranger to LE –based dissolution entanglements.
In fact, Wagner represented her and her previous firm successfully.
Bagel Finagle
Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner is no stranger to law enforcement infused litigation. She is a former prosecutor for Oregon’s department of Justice, The U.S. Department of Justice, and Office of Chief Counsel. Ms. Rackner has specificity in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) casework.
Born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Laura received her B.S. in 1979 and her J.D. in 1984, both from the University of Oregon.
Prior to entering private practice, Laura served as deputy district attorney in the Marion County District Attorney’s Office; assistant attorney general in the Oregon Department of Justice; and on the staff of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Chief Counsel, Drug Enforcement Administration.
Record Scratch.
Martin Rob Cagan, The bagel king and according to him, a supreme target of a police shakedown at the hands of his former spouse’s attorneys was the litigious sort.
In fact, this may be how Atty Wagner decides to come out of retirement and become part of Terri Horman’s defense team while the civil suit was active.
Wagner’s firm represented Ms. Rackner in a suit filed by Rob Cagan in which he sued the Dueshete Police Department, A partner in the firm representing Caroleen Vanhoomissen, the suit (or ramblings of a very angry divorcee) alleges that the firm and its lawyers facilitated the difficulties of Mr. Cagan utilizing law enforcement sources directly by the attorneys was dismissed.
Ms. Vanhoomissen, the sister of Judge Vanhoomissen is also the owner of a horse farm in Bend, Oregon. Blinkoncrime was unable to verify if it was the Bend horse farm searched in the early days of the investigation for Kyron.
Attorney Rackner’s prior working relationship with the DEA, the very agency that supplied the undercover officer in the failed sting involving Horman landscaper Rudy Sanchez begs the question- Did Rackner use her contacts and/or credentials to facilitate a surreptitious ruse to gain favor for her client in anticipation of his wife’s potential arrest?
Kaine is on record that law enforcement informed him they had probable cause to arrest Terri. What is not on record, is what came first- the referral to Rackner.
I just want to do what I can to help law enforcement
Seems like an odd comment coming from a family attorney with a background as a prosecutor working with the DEA, which agency subsequently becomes involved in the case- or initially led to her representation- the chicken or the egg facts remain unclear.
The ex parte and originally sealed restraining order did not exclude Terri Horman from the marital home. Was this an oversight of a very seasoned family attorney or was the basis of the now defunct restraining order as provided to Kaine Horman and Laura Rackner by law enforcement effectively invalidated by Terri Horman calling 911?
Is the reason that Atty Engel seems to have taken over representation of Kaine Horman due to the fact that these actions could render Ms. Rackner a witness in her client’s case as opposed to his Attorney?
In the motions and subsequent hearing scheduled for July 30th, the only available arguments outside of the parties agreement is to contest the basis for the FAPA order- or, the allegation Kaine Horman has made within his affidavits more than once, that his wife tried to hire “our landscaper” to kill him, and that she is being investigated for “violent crimes.”
The outcome?
The order was converted to a civil no-contact order which has not yet been added to the file for public review.
Desiree and Kaine’s respective camps both claimed “protecting the integrity of the investigation” was their only interest although the ONLY 2 witnesses who were summoned for deposition by Terri Horman’s lawyers were- the lead investigator of Kyron’s investigation for 18 months- Bobby John O’Donnell and Kaine Horman.
Back To School
Skyline School, the International Baccalaureate candidate who announced the IB open house format weeks earlier via take home handouts to its students and also by displaying the event on its marquis has never been declared a crime scene. Although in nearly every legal support brief or news coverage article Terri Horman was dubbed “the last person to be seen with Kyron Horman” or more recently by Desiree Young as “Kyron was last seen by someone who cared about him at 8:45 am” absolutely no witness account or Science Fair insider was known publicly to dispute such accounts.
Until now.
“Once I learned all that was going on that same day, in that same school, I did not understand why I was being told that Terri Horman was the suspect, and one other person… It never made sense to me that they knew Kyron was seen with someone else besides his stepmother after she left, that they seemed to not even consider another theory.” (*Editor’s Note*- parts of the source’s quote have been redacted as they would reveal identity of witnesses in an ongoing criminal investigation)
Electric Slide?
Sometime after Terri Horman left the school with her daughter Kiara in tow, she was captured on store video prior to Kyron’s exit from Skyline School. It is believed Kyron was last seen between 9:05 and 9:20 AM.
The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.
Classroom 1 Property of www.blinkoncrime.com
(Editor’s Note: It is believed that Desiree and Kaine’s comments about concern that instruction they gave him last year about listening to staff “came back to haunt them.” They have never acknowledged they were told about this witness account but a source close to www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed they were informed but not given a witness description.
www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed the EXIF data on the image includes the timestamp of June 4 2010 at 8:43AM PST.
Backstory OR Backdrop?
Among the peers of Kyron Horman in attendance on June 4th, were some children whose parents may have been granted access via the open house format, although documents filed with the school and LE would preclude the parents from removing them.
In fact, the mother of a chief witness in this case was arrested that very day for attempting to fill a script that did not belong to her, in a pharmacy that Terri Horman allegedly also visited that morning.
Another child whose parents lost custody due to very long histories with substance abuse and associated criminal behavior had the additional possible misfortune of closely resembling both Kaine and Terri Horman.
Non Custodial Parent Red Long Hair
It is unknown whether either parent took the opportunity to visit the school that day, but they were not included on the published list. While barred legally from removing their child from the school they could not be barred from a publicly announced invitational. There was no ID checks or sign-in sheets for non-volunteer guests.
In an unrelated twist, the child’s Father was found deceased in front of a Portland residence in April 2012. The name of the child and Kyron’s schoolmate, guardians and parents are being intentionally withheld for this article.
Sovereignty In lieu Of..
Among the many unanswered questions in Kyron’s disappearance: Why hasn’t the school been held accountable? He disappeared on their watch- with a concise standard of care duty and plan.
What really happened?
There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck. There is no dispute that Kyron was last seen at Skyline School. There is no dispute that both Kyron’s parents expressed concern that last year’s discipline involving instruction on being a better listener may have come back to haunt them. They said so.
What may be in dispute, for sure, is how accurate the list of attendees at the Skyline School of June 4th, 2010 is.
As an example, one witness told Editor In Chief, S. Christina Stoy that a young male former student said hello to Susan Hall and when asked by a parent who the lad was a few days later, she said she was not sure. He is NOT on the list.
When another parent subsequently asked Ms. Hall who the student was following Kyron’s disappearance to verify he was on the published list- she responded she could not remember. Ms. Hall was the Skyline Administrative staff who contacted 911 upon speaking to Terri Horman and learning Kyron was not on the bus. Hall subsequently contacted Desiree Young. She did this while the Horman’s were on their way back to the school to see if Kyron might have thought he was being picked up that day as opposed to riding the bus or some other sort of snafu.
According to the MCSO, the school records that could assist the investigation were never requested to be preserved by investigators and as a result were deleted.
So why was the Skyline School never named as a defendant in the previously pending litigation filed by Kyron’s mother Desiree Young?
The reason may lie in the recreational designation utilized on June 4th, 2010.
According to the National Policy and Legal Analysis Network (napl) it may be a simple question of whether Kyron disappeared during the “recreational” portion of the program.
Napl’s guidance to lawyer’s advising Oregon schools can be read here. Although the overall plan is relative to an obesity initiative, it would include research and advice on any school recreational or regularly scheduled event. Please tell me Cogen does not factor into this.
The following are excerpts from the report:
…”Absent special liability protection, school districts and other providers of recreational facilities have the legal duty to take reasonable precautions to prevent injury. What is reasonable is very context specific and depends on many things: most important, the nature of the harm, the difficulty of preventing it, and generally accepted standards in the management of recreational facilities…”
…” The only immunity Oregon grants to public bodies, which include school districts,2 is discretionary government immunity.3 Discretionary government immunity applies to choices “among alternative public policies by persons to whom responsibility for such policies have been delegated.”4 To fall under the protection of this doctrine, Oregon courts have said, the choice must result from the exercise of judgment and involve a public policy or nonroutine day-to-day activity.
…” In summary, Oregon immunizes schools for policy choices its officials make, but it holds schools liable for breaches of duty that occur in carrying out those policy choices…”
…” The recreational user statute should therefore provide strong protection to Oregon schools seeking to avoid liability arising from after-hours outdoor recreational programs on school grounds. Applying this statute to indoor recreational activities, however, is much riskier, although the case law does not preclude such a strategy.
Regular School Day- Changes Things
…” In Oregon, schools owe students a duty to “supervise at all times the conduct of children on school grounds and to enforce those rules and regulations necessary to their protection. . . . The standard of care imposed upon school personnel in carrying out the duty to supervise the conduct of students is that degree of care which a person of ordinary prudence, charged with comparable duties, would exercise under the same circumstances.”37
Is the issue of liability to Skyline School relegated to what time Kyron was abducted, presuming he was abducted, as is believed?
Very possibly.
As we know, the school opened early the morning of June 4th, 2010, as was displayed on the school’s marquis at least 2 weeks prior. Without particular knowledge of when the suspect responsible for Kyron’s disappearance entered the school, and under what auspice, one is left to the timeline of Kyron’s activities as juxtaposed with the start of the school day. As a regular standard of care, one could argue that begins with a student getting on the bus, if a passenger, on their regular route. What if a bus passenger is attending the “event” outside of the bus transportation? Admittedly, it seems moot inasmuch as neither one of Kyron’s parents have filed suit against the school or named them as having any negligence or liability. That said, it remains a possibility in the event Kyron is found.
There is no question Kyron was seen after 8:45AM- which is the time that a regularly scheduled bus arrives- which would ring the bell, so to speak, on the normal school day.
To be Continued:
Roid Noise And The Boys In Blue- Publishing Thursday August 8. Preview Discussion Tonight on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW.
Ellie Sanders contributed research to this report.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
Image retouching courtesy of Klaasend
Previous Coverage:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/
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grasshopper says:
August 30, 2013 at 11:02 pm
A friend and I went up to Skyline school this week, checked things out, took some pictures. We then drove down Newberry Rd to the highway leading to Sauvie’s. We found a small private airport that I took a picture of. I’ve never heard this airport referred to in media. I don’t know what it’s for, of course. Take a look.
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Thanks for your post. I found it very helpful. Regarding small airports – when I lived in SW Portland and worked in NW, there was someone who commuted to downtown Portland every day during morning rush hour – at least that’s what we all assumed was happening. It was a helicopter and there was at least one office building downtown that had a landing pad. That was a few years ago.
Also I am aware of a nursery that had a small airport on the property and owned a small plane. There are probably more. I am not identifying the property you refer to, just saying there are people around who seem to use planes. I sometimes see a few that land in the Willamette River too.
Blink…you put an upside down Sanchez jersey next to Harper puppy…on Kyron’s page….hmmmm…just joking..totally.
OMG- Can anyone point me to some less observant and less critical thinking posters please?
LOL, kidding, I never thought of it- great catch and thanks for the giggle.
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article updated
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A team of volunteers searched for Kyron Horman Saturday near Northwest Germantown Road and Northwest Skyline Boulevard.
Horman’s mother, Desiree Young, said the effort would include a team of K-9 units. Young also told KGW that she will speak to the media once the search has ended.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Searchers-to-look-for-Kyron-on-Saturday-221893351.html
..” The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office is aware of today’s search.”
Aware. No assistance. They have a budget and cash to do same. What is going on in this case?
That said, I pray that by whatever means, little man is found. If it is his will, can it please be now?
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Interesting area. Just sayin’.
@MockingbirdSings
there used to be a lot more of these small airports and more general aviation even a few years ago. I see few small planes in the sky these days. I don’t know that this airport is actively used but it was interesting to see it so convenient to Skyline. It was also interesting that someone showed up to check us out so quickly.
Since DeDe is actually on this discussion group, would there be a chance that she could offer some input toward finding Kyron? If she has read any of these threads, she must know that the BOC participants are trying their best to find Kryon – bottom line – and any help she could offer might lead someone to solving this mystery.
Hopefully, and with respect, so.
@DeDe Spicher says:August 31, 2013 at 12:15 pm
RedRose: I am respectfully going to defer your query to Ms. Spicher for the immediate time being. Grab a sanka- we will come back to it- I promise.
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wpg says:
August 30, 2013 at 3:05 pm
posted hours ago . . .
“K-9 Forensics, Wendy Kessinger and her awesome search team have landed in Oregon to bring Kyron Horman home! The K-9 Team is ready to do what they do best, and in this case it is to bring Kyron back home to the family where he belongs and is so very much loved and missed. A big shout out to all those that will be volunteering there time and resources to help this search be successful. Thank you for having such an awesome community to support the search. Send out prayesr for the family and the Team! This kiddo will come home!”
https://www.facebook.com/K.9Forensics?filter=1
I do not know of a certified search team, to include canines, that has ever promised the return of a target, ever.
I have no words about how grossly irresponsible that is.
“This kiddo will come home.” Seriously. Wth are these people thinking?
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To answer your question, although I totally agree it is an irresponsible statement to make, from another perspective it’s probably a “good” business plan. If they fail, there are a great many reasons to toss out to the public about why they failed or why they were probably close and need to keep trying. And they can still say they participated in this effort and probably donated all or some of their services.
If they find even so much as a tiny clue, they are suddenly going to be famous with an increased demand for their services. However, if they find anything and screw up the handling of it, or are associated with people who do, it certainly won’t improve their reputation any.
In general, I’d say they have more to gain than to lose by this effort. They seem like caring people – maybe they will seek more professional training in the future. Hopefully, they will have some success, but even if they do, that does not make the above statement appropriate, IMO.
Agreed, but the problem with the lack of business model ( it is a .org) is that it is imparting hope by such claims, that has no basis in fact. I totally resent the lack of expectation management and degree of care being considered by people who are working with a bereft parent. Additionally, this is not a LE sanctioned endeavor, although I have seen posts by Ms. Young indicating her relationship with Herron.
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I think it is important to note that DY plans to speak at the end of the search. It is painfully awkward to read how the reporters are changing TH’s role in the day Kyron disappeared. She no longer is “the last known person” however, she did not take him to class either, as reported. How that is going to gracefully transition to “Kyron left with an unknown male” is beyond me.
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PORTLAND — Kyron Horman’s mother, Desiree Young, told Newschannel 8 that a team of volunteers will search for the boy at an undisclosed location on Saturday.
While she didn’t say where they would be looking, she did say that the effort will include a team of K-9 units. Young also told KGW that she will speak to the media once the search has ended.
Horman has been missing since June 4, 2010. He was last seen at his school, Skyline Elementary, and was taken to class that day by his stepmother, Terri Horman. Kyron was seven years old at the time of his disappearance.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Searchers-to-look-for-Kyron-on-Saturday-221893351.html
I would settle for someone asking her the question why the search is being conducted in a previously searched area.
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Jets stadium announcer:
And now ladies and gentlemen as the home team takes the field for the second half, I would like to call your attention to our newest addition to the defensive team. Please welcome Harper Blink playing corner back. Harper’s specialty is forcing the runner to the outside and performing a shoestring tackle to stop the advance while awaiting help from the other defensive players.
O/T: LOL LOL
She started early in her football career, I forgot to mention:
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Grasshopper
Your photos are very clear. The casement window while providing a possible point of entry, does not IMO make for an easy exit. I don’t think this plays any part in the abduction of Kyron.
The airport is obviously a private field even though it is marked with state or county signage at the entrance. I do not see an area on the overhead from Google that is large enough for a fixed wing aircraft. It could be a helicopter pad. While it is possible to get a small plane into and out of a strip of less than 1,000 ft., it is difficult.
The prime reason for less private flying activity is the difficulty in obtaining 100 octane gas and its cost. The federal government has mandated that lead be removed as an octane enhancer. Until refiners can have a market large enough, they will not spend the time or material to make it as they once did. The majority of aviation fuel is jet fuel for turbo prop and pure jet engines.
Don’t even remember what I wrote at a turnpike stretch, but I’ll look forward to Tuesday.
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@ redrose. imo If Spicher be Spicher, the wise course would have been to severe contact entirely
with the entire Horman clan, associates, & fallout (the abduction) as well as frootloops like
JW, to engage in life rebuilding. Plenty of time to reconnect with old friends in a decade or so.
property map shows Germantown/Skyline:
http://portlandoregonhomesearch.com/homes/nw-germantown-rd-13325448/
apparently on a very popular biking route (and probably popular driving route)
http://books.google.com/books?id=8yvF4soRtCwC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=nw+skyline+blvd+nw+germantown&source=bl&ots=uOC3LH2wxd&sig=pyv9q36NvLU873qZveHtwAMvrls&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wfYiUtL3L4S1sATfzYHYBg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwBTgU
looking forward to ATG’s analysis of search site’s physical features.
Wasn’t Redwine found within 10 miles, on a parallel (dirt) road to Hwy,
which ran through a contiguous rugged geographic physical land feature?
@grasshopper. My first thought was the men who presented pronto dressed
just like Secret Service outdoors guards do. So, I figured they were with some
other gov’t agency like a special ops (has a training site in OR iirc)
or cia training site (the latter has a regional site in OR as they advertize jobs there)
or some just govt critter. I’m sure Hatfield brought home plenty of bacon.
Could be a safe house. First I thought “just look up the the property ownership.”
Then I realized it’d be a shell corporation. Like to see fbi do that place with dogs.
I’ve seen a small biplane tethered to ground in a now built up area on as small a site. And it goes
& comes. But runway was grass & it was an open
field, not treed. No plane has flown there with those trees, but it may be an historic site.
I don’t think helicopter either. Just a misleading sign serving as a deterrance, unless you’re Sanford
running planes at kids per ex.
http://www.koin.com/2013/07/04/bi-plane-crashes-during-canby-takeoff/
historic local airfields.
See the map 1/2 way down
http://www.airfields-freeman.com/OR/Airfields_OR_NW.htm
a new question. Where exactly, physically, was Kyron’s bus stop?
I’ve just read an article intimating it was on Cornelius Pass Rd, a busy street, also
a truck route (like Traverso drove trucks).
to a regular commuter passing routinely at the time Kyron waited for the
bus every morning, he might become eye candy. His size predicted he’d be found
in a Mattews’ age room. Tedious Detective work: Camera review for regular commuter cars
on the “bus stop road” and Skyline Blvd (the latter re the open house sign). Maybe SZ is why
mcso asked for roadview tapes.
I don’t know how these cases go, but it makes no sense to me mcso didn’t just say Kyron left a
classroom with an unknown male, and we need videos from X roads to attempt to identify
the suspect’s vehicle. Imo it is a concrete tidbit that motivates homeowners & businesses to
scour & handover their films.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html
June 5 article (often cited for Carol’s errors in the Horman pairing) might be read for other SZ consistant info.
Lynne apparently spoke with Carol, quoted PPS Shelby, but didn’t necessarily interview him, & looked at prior Horman divorce records. This is basically a Carol human-interest story.
Lynne says, tho, “….search that’s drawn in a swarm of officers and several law enforcement agencies, including the FBI. Officers, working with sniffer dogs, have combed the hilly, wooded area around Skyline Elementary.”
From this, Carol’s impression, therefore Teri’s, on June 5 was that FBI was called in to “search.”
So imo, at this point Oregonian and TMH (ergo Kaine) had not been informed of interchange in Matthews’ classroom, or that the FBI team’s role was more likely to analyze the abduction than to search. So I wonder why that FBI field office head was posturing early on camera about the search.
So when Teri had poly 2 on June 5, she, like Carol, like Lynne, had ZERO information about the Matthews’ permitted walkout. I believe if TMH were told of the walkout before or during her poly, it was her lips to Carol’s ears, to Lynne in this interviews.
As for W Week, I suspect they knew of Cogen/Manhas 18 mos before publishing.
Imo WW is waiting, as Blink does, for “ripe.” Other variable imo is not wanting to out &
undercut DA Office on a case not of major systemic or recurrant public safety import.
PORTLAND — A team of volunteers searched for Kyron Horman Saturday near Northwest Germantown Road and Northwest Skyline Boulevard.
http://www.krem.com/news/northwest-news/Volunteers-K-9-units-search-for-Kyron-Horman-in-Oregon-221994661.html
@A Texas Gramdfather
Thanks for the info about gas for gen aviation planes. I didn’t know that. I went onto Google earth last night and looked more closely at the airport property. appears to be a house and hanger type building (corrugated metal roof). area directly in front of hanger looks like fair amount of traffic. could also keep cars in there of course. there are trees between the buildings and a grassy area, part of which looked mowed into a straight strip. this might mean nothing. there was certainly no sign of runway wear on that mowed grassy area, and it looked entirely too short for a small plane but i have no idea how accurate perspective is on google earth. It certainly looks more practical as a helicopter pad if anything. you certainly can’t see any sign of hanger or grassy area from road, only the sign alerts one of the airport.It is interesting to find unknown airport this conveniently located. could be others. of course there is also the freeway, surface roads, river as methods of transportation.
agree with you also about the open window. it would require standing on a chair to crawl out, and surely somebody would have noticed that! of course no report was made of Kyron leaving easily with a man so who knows, but I was more thinking that it could be an issue for the future. If this window were left open on a hot day during school year, it could be a weakness just as an unlocked back door is. thanks for your input! very interesting to me.
Blink.
Earlier on Harry Oaks took cadaver dogs in search of Kyron. His dogs picked up cadaver scent at the edge of Hormans property & Kaine wouldn’t allow him to have access to the property. Kaine only allowed LE access to it.
This appears to be Steven Rockett’s flickr account. Is this the same guy??
I don’t have time to look at this today, (got company) but I see there’s pictures taken at the Oregon zoo as well as soccer games.
If this is his stuff, I wonder if he could have been at the science fair taking pictures that day, or if he ever snapped pictures of Kyron? Maybe shared them with someone else?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/srockett/sets/
I wonder if there’s any connection to DAD being as this dude traveled to the Philippines?
http://www.koin.com/2013/08/25/child-sex-abuse-suspect-in-forest-grove/
Was this search performed yesterday? Or a different future Saturday?
Same canine group that got involved in Dylan’s case, I think. And he was not in the lake, as they assumed.
Not on here so much and rarely post now
From professional in the field -
A psychological evaluation is a standard procedure – would the IRS let us not answer some questions and still be legit? You cannot chop a person into pieces and say just do this part of the eval.
I work with these types (psychologists) of people in this area (Portland metro) Some psychologist specialize in child custody/visitation assessments, some in sex offender assessments, some in vocational/disability assessments, some in other criminal, perhaps others, these are the common ones. I have given my professional opinion to them. So yes, it includes lots of collateral (written and verbal) info, history over time, but also relies on scales and tests, the big personality one is the MMPI2 which has a deception scale on it and can indicate what “people who score like this” might be likely to do. These evals are SOP for instances that involve disputes over parenting/visitation with Child Services, nothing special about them. If two parents not involved with DHS ask for this or want to change custody and visitation and are in dispute, these are also involved, but the parents are going to pay for it, who else would?. Very expensive.
PsyD is the newer degree and is clinically based, it appears to me (knowing people that go into this), this is preferred, because PhD is broader and may not always involve so much clinical and how many people would really want to write a dissertation that don’t have to? However, this also just depends on where you went to school (or where you got in and what is convenient). My experience is a lot of psychologists would prefer to do clinical work, but psych evals (= lots of computer time) really bring in the bucks better. There is TONS of competition in this field in this geographic area, so one better be good and keep everything crossed and dotted. There is a joke, (sorry the market is like this), but one pays a lot of money to become a psychologist just to be called Doctor. I think if you look on certain vocational outlooks, this is not a high monetary field for the amount one puts into it. There may be some geographic areas that are somewhat better however. I have seen psychologists (they have told me in some cases) who do these evals tear their hair out and spend an inordinate amount of time, trying to get a good picture, in some cases it is very difficult and perhaps they were erroneously influenced by someone who didn’t understand. Hey, 3 psychiatrists picked around the country couldn’t agree on Jeffry Dahmer. I have seen psychiatrists make big mistakes too which is horribly disappointing ’cause they have enormous power. Anyone has trouble knowing how many things intersect together – health/mental health issues (can be multiple here as well) including personality disorders, criminal history, substance abuse and other addictions – which predominates or is one fueling the other? Still, there are some people everyone would agree on. Other professionals have said “I want to do such and such, but some legal or procedural glitch prevents me.” Supervised visitation is frequently possible or visitation after someone does such and such (addiction treatment, therapy, etc.) can be a recommendation of the eval.
Sex offenders are everywhere and Portland area is big on trafficking
@erose. Just saw your wonderful group of posts.
You are right all of us here believe in the Due Process clause.
I am concerned by the DA & MCSO conducting a campaign to
deprive TMH of her liberty & property interests, and her child, via a
direct campaign of misleading & untrue information cited as the
basis for the RO, followed by a continued media campaign of
disinformation collaborative with Kaine.
Mike Shrunk made much of being different from his
father characterologically– of being a righteous man.
Whatever his career, I just don’t see evidence of that
in the Kyron Horman case in his supervision of
those reporting to him.
last 2 sentences p 18, followed by pp 21-22.
http://atomicredhead-media.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Ellis-Portland-Vice1.pdf
Portland’s problems in the Sheriff’s, DA’s, and Mayor’s Offices, are deepseated historically.
The difference is in those days 2 Oregonian reporters won a Pulitzer.
It is my hope WW stopped writing due to finding a larger tie-in,
which may relate to organized crime and/or union activities, and will
someday release another Pulitzer award worthy investigative series on
Kyron’s abduction’s Investigation coverup
being perhaps tied in to public corruption.
That is, the problem is not merely a negative failure by MCSO, The DA, and most MSM (excepting the nonteam player) failing to afford TMH & DDS due process under the Constitution, it is worse:
A positive set of statements, compounded by more misleading statements,
to affirmatively deprive her of her liberty interests (such as employability in her profession),
property, and her child, actually affirmatively violating her right to due process. In that vein, the DA finally
bringing in DDS to testify was probably CYA in an effort to look evenhanded 3 years later.
I would not be surprized if this is systemic within MCSO, and Shrunk should’ve initially
surpervised those seeking to recoup or make a litigation reputation on this case carefully.
video of Desiree Young press conference after searches; responds to question on why this particular area for search; says possible evidence found; has positive words for LE:
“Mother of Kyron Horman calls weekend search ‘successful’”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Volunteers-search-for-Kyron-Horman-in-NW-Portland-221999791.html?tab=video&c=y
Excerpts from press conference for those who may not have access to video (apologies in advance for any typing errors on my part) :
(response on why this area)
I know, of course, privileged information, but I just want to rule out all the areas I can and search every area possible. So there really wasn’t a whole lot of mystery behind what I did.”
(another quote)
We found a lot of things, and possibly evidence, yes.
(re, LE)
I can’t go into details, I don’t want to quote for them. But I never do anything without talking to them and consulting them and giving them everything they need for their case.
(response on how’s she doing, hanging on)
You know what, unfortunately life keeps moving. I don’t like it, because I still feel like I’m stuck back at June 4th. I can’t move on from that because I don’t have answers, I don’t have Kyron. And it’s hard, it’s very difficult. But, if I don’t keep moving, I’ll get rolled over. And that’s just not me. You know, when these situations happen to us, what separates us from everybody else is how we handle them. How we cope. Can I take this situation and make it something better. Because I’m going to do that. I am not going to lay down and take this. And I refuse – - refuse – - to let Terri win. It’s not going to happen that way.
(quote on the search)
It was worth every single penny. And I will do it again. I want everything possible for Kyron.
(again on LE)
They were very supportive and they came out right when we called them. They’re very, very clued in to everything that we did this weekend.
(you feeling hopeful?)
Yes. Yeah.
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I support Desiree Young, the searches, and those – - that in various ways – - have assisted, are assisting, and will be assisting to find Kyron. I have no issues on where the funds came from for this search.
From Desiree regarding the latest search for Kyron. Bless her heart.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Desiree-Young-to-give-lates-updates-on-search-for-Kyron-Horman-222016991.html
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/crews_scour_area_near_skyline.html#comments
TY Wpg.
Salutations & support for Desiree.
wrt Sheriffs’ Office however, imo
unprofessional & the worst of their ilk across
the USA wrt to searching for Kyron
and liaison with this bereft parent.
What I don’t understand about Desiree is why she see’s looking for Kyron as some kind of competition with Terri instead of an unconditional search for her son.
Desiree DID say
“I refuse to let Terri win”
Why did she NOT say
“I refuse to give up on Kyron”
so sad.”
And if MCSO had information on this location
(and I believe MCSO gave DY the location)
and MCSO waited 3 years for Desiree to end her suit and reapply the little bit left
to “a search” with volunteers, then shame shame on Det Herron & MCSO for not justgoing there again & handling it.
What was MCSO funding from County Comishes for?
Why give nonpropressionals led by parent their own LE job?
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Desiree also said, in response to one of the last questions I viewed on KGW, “I won’t let Terri win.” She hasn’t moved past trying to prove Terri guilty. How can you trust any evidence found by these searchers who, other than out of state groups, want to prove Terri guilty given the fact that LE was “aware” but did not participate. Wouldn’t any “evidence” be suspect?
Of course. But I am confident I read Ramirez comment that volunteers apps were going to LE. I don’t believe that this search was not proposed (off grid) by LE, specifically- Mark Herron.
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@grasshopper. likely open to let a paint refresher dry
(the old lead issue at Skyline the school board never budgeted for).
grasshopper,
It’s my understanding from the press conference that LE was called to the scene(s) when the searchers found something.
When KlaasKids organized and participated in volunteer searches for Sierra LeMar, California, I recall they and the searchers used the typical protocol of marking or flagging a find and calling LE in to observe the undisturbed find, document and collect the find as necessary.
This is correct protocol for Klaaskids, except I have not known them to preform a search without LE participation onsite.
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Rose says:
“and MCSO waited 3 years for Desiree to end her suit and reapply the little bit left to “a search” with volunteers, then shame shame on Det Herron & MCSO for not justgoing there again & handling it.”
Rose,
Maybe this search action by Desiree Young will light yet another fire?
Why wouldn’t searching have been done by LE before Desiree even knew of an area needing to be searched? I am confused…
It was, more than once.
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The lead based paint issue is false. Unless someone eats about a half pint of it in a short period of time, they will not have damage.
All houses were painted with lead added to oil base paints prior to 1950. Painters would buy oil and then heat sticks of lead into a pot and mix it. As a youngster, I often was given the job of melting the lead sticks. This is just more false science such as asbestos being dangerous. Electrical conduit was made from asbestos and used up until the time of the ABS plastics in the mid 1960′s. and it was used as siding on millions of buildings during that time.
The federal EPA is full of false science to drive the money into their agency and to give them power. Nothing gives me more anger than a group of people who use lies to scare the population.
Sorry Blink, take this out if you feel it is over the line.
Has anyone ever researched private airfields in Linnton, Oregon? This is a historic part of Portland, was once planned to be the main location for commerce before Portland became it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linnton,_Portland,_Oregon
http://www.nwnw.org/linnton/linnton-a-historical-timeline/
Of course, as someone wrote earlier today, just because there is a sign out there that says “airport”, it doesn’t necessarily mean there is an airport on the other side of the sign. Could be anything …
Other miscellaneous searches:
http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Portland-Oregon.html(Registered sex offenders in Portland, Oregon)
@Rose says:September 1, 2013 at 10:21 am
Ten dog teams and dozens of searchers from across the nation. That was a huge two day search Desiree put together.
I agree with Rose, why wouldn’t LE just handle the searches? Here in the NW we have excellent search and rescue resources so why is the parent having to coordinate it?
Because it has already been searched by LE resources. Cleared.
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just saw this http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/crews_scour_area_near_skyline.html
and
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Volunteers-search-for-Kyron-Horman-in-NW-Portland-221999791.html?tab=video
Grasshopper
Google has a tool on the tool bar that will allow you to measure distance on the view you have on your computer. It can be set for metric or U.S. measurement in feet. The accuracy is within two or three percent. You can check it for being reasonable by measuring something in the view where you know its size.
Rose
It is wonderful what one can find when searching for information on the internet. Your charts of airfields from the 1920′s and 1930′s are showing the small airfields and the various beacons used to guide planes flying at night between San Fransisco and Seattle. This is an early effort to provide pilots with charts to keep them from getting lost. Current charts show all kinds of information including the various obstructions and provide radio frequencies used in the area. Some small airfields have radio controlled runway lights that can be turned on by using a particular frequency.
The crash appears to be a Boeing model 75 (commonly known as a Stearman). Other than the broken wood prop and some possible damage to the engine, there will be little to repair to get it flying. Probably caused by pilot error. Perhaps pushing the stick too far forward in an attempt to level the aircraft just above the ground to allow it to gain speed prior to climbing out. Could also be a gust of wind across the runway, but the wing tips are not damaged.
I will try to check your search area soon.
Just absolutely amazed at the 180 done by both the author and the majority of commentors… went from attacking me because I was saying common sense suggested exactly THIS, to now you’re all prattling on like you thought this way all along?
Sheesh. This was ground zero for the witchhunt. And now you’re taking it back? Sorry, even if y’all have changed your minds, it doesn’t regain you your credibility.
I have no idea what your obtuse comment even means. There is no person that could accuse me of any change in theory, or whatever else you are selling that I do not understand. I am it. I am the single and only source that has kept an open mind, presented a verified alternative to the step mom did it, and openly stated that I do not believe, nor have I seen, a scintilla of evidence against TH. You are looking for cauldrons- none here.
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TY for video Lyla.
Desiree did a magnificent job, yet was so distraught imo she should be under a doctor’s care.
Her sister and Warriors as her feedback circle (reflectors of her ideation) are
part & parcel of what I fear will be her destruction. She seemsto have lost Tony on some level.
My take is her statements alone referred to mutual behaviors that made her an agent of MCSO. There are enough objective confirmatories (ie ref to multiple visits to site when called to eval found objects). Herron was trying to erect a “Chinese wall” between mcso & Warriors public accusations of Terri, but he failed due to her public speech and
her agency relationship in the search she referred to ongoing, detailed, explicit direction as well as said “I do nothing without….”). One more piece of evidence when Terri sues mcso.
At least kgw asked some questions.
My further thought is DA Underhill has lost control of
mcso employees on the case, if he ever had it.
If the search area was specified by mcso based on info
from Underhill’s “new witness,” that’s good but why would
mcso wait thru 5 months of good weather & then delegate it to
a bereft parent? My only speculation is with his rotation to Det in
charge of this (and other) cases, he’s found it hard to let go of the
Co-Coordinator of SAR job role he’d held for years. Didn’t want to let go
of directing SAR on this his own case, which he’d managed in searches
in 2010-12. So a private team Desiree assembled was one way to stay in charge
of Kyron’s SAR bureaucratically. Just speculation because otherwise using
Young & the Warriors as agents is impossible to explain.
Search for Oregon boy missing since 2010
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/01/us/oregon-missing-boy/index.html
quantity ofsearchers & dogs has increased exponentially.
Bruce makes the most of his own media appearances in other cases.
Here on kgv tv his back was to camera.
RE: cd says:
September 1, 2013 at 10:49 pm
What I don’t understand about Desiree is why she see’s looking for Kyron as some kind of competition with Terri instead of an unconditional search for her son.
Desiree DID say
“I refuse to let Terri win”
Why did she NOT say
“I refuse to give up on Kyron”
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Every interview I read/watched this weekend included Desiree’s sentiment that she would never give up on trying to find her son – as would be the case for most mothers. But in case you missed it, here is one – the link from CNN, which has also picked up the search story:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/01/us/oregon-missing-boy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
snip: Young told the media gathered Sunday that she will not give up searching for her son.
“My mission has always been to bring Kyron home, and I will go to the ends of the earth to do that.”
BTW: “inaccurate” and “lying” are not necessarily the same thing – as Bunch well knows.
Desiree and all those who love and miss Kyron are in my prayers.
essay- I agree Bunch knows the difference, but does that matter when one knows something is not accurate, and they disseminate with the intent of a favorable outcome to themselves? Bad faith is bad faith. That happened here, but I don’t think it started with lawyers.
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Rose says:
September 1, 2013 at 11:16 am
SNIP:
don’t know how these cases go, but it makes no sense to me mcso didn’t just say Kyron left a
classroom with an unknown male, and we need videos from X roads to attempt to identify
the suspect’s vehicle. Imo it is a concrete tidbit that motivates homeowners & businesses to
scour & handover their films.
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Agreed. It also would motivate people who attended the SF to turn over all their film. IDK, but perhaps some people held back for a vatiety of reasons. I have a hard time believing 100% compliance with so many people attending the SF.
Blink, private parent-organized searches are encouraged as a strategy by Klaas Kids (using their search mgr):
http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-missingchildren.htm
http://www.klaaskids.org/search_center.htm
iirc Kaine was involved in Calif Klaas event. Maybe he & Desired “not speaking” are a divorce trial strategy so Warrior fallout falls not on him.
I think that LE has told DY that they still suspect TH is involved but just don’t have enough evidence to charge her. I believe that is why DY is suddenly out searching and why she made that tearful statement about not letting TH win. Her comment is not an indication that she is “competing” with TH to the exclusion of all else; imo, DY still believes TH is involved and does not want TH to believe that she is going to get away with this crime. I believe had LE been able to completely rule TH out, DY and KH would have heard by now. The presence of a male poi does not automatically exclude her involvement.
I realize that TH has lost access to her child over the past three years, but at least she knows her daughter is alive and with a parent who loves her. DY has no idea whether her child is dead or alive, or when he will – if ever – be returned to her. Imo, that is the definition of hell on earth. I completely support her and her efforts to find Kyron.
Re: the custody hearing – I am basing the following comments on what a friend shared with me about the custody trial he was involved in. As everyone knows, the judge’s decision is based on what is in the best interest of the minor child. The parents’ lives will become an open book. If TH or KH have ever used mind and behavior-altering drugs, alcohol, or steroids, it will come into evidence. If any of their friends had concerns about their parenting skills, that will come in. Lifestyle preferences will likely come in. Association with anyone involved in nefarious activities can come in. Direct involvement in any nefarious activities can come in. If the prejudicial effect of the evidence outweighs the probative, the judge can exclude the evidence. Any other information, as long as it is not privileged or protected, can come in. Of course, any evidence that will show TH and KH are responsible parents will be allowed. The judge will also consider how well the child is faring in her current environment. Psychologists will opine. A GAL will represent the child.
So, imho, this is not a slam dunk for either parent.
JMHO, nothing more. Perhaps Lea can give us her take.
Grace- I agree with you that DY is functioning or reacting on info that is being provided to her by LE.
I also agree with your thoughts on the dissolution case. As you know I have been web-yelling for a GAL in this case since the beginning and I pray you are correct that finally one will be appointed.
As will be clear in my new piece set to publish Tues or Wed- I have zero confidence this case will ever be resolved with the current LE assets assigned to it. This needs a red team yesterday.
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