Kyron Horman Exclusive Report: New Suspect And Botched Investigation Rumors Abound- Terri Horman Prepares To Fight For Couples Daughter Following Seclusion
If you are reading this and have followed the Kyron Homan disappearance coverage since he vanished from Skyline School on June 4th 2010, you know my coverage and commentary has focused on the macro analysis of the case details- both publicly available and via developed sources. This report contains newly released information known to law enforcement. It’s contents, to include reader commentary and moderation response, may not be reproduced or copied without express written consent by it’s author in accordance with applicable copyright law.
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Last Week’s Meet And Greet
On Tuesday July 30th, the attorneys representing Terri Moulton Horman, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young attended a series of case hearings. Not held in chambers as announced, but public guests were barred.
On the docket- Desiree Young’s “stay” status of the $10 million dollar civil tort action brought against Terri Horman and the dissolution (divorce and custody) litigation brought by Kaine Horman, Terri’s estranged husband. Until July 26th, there were additional hearings and status conferences scheduled for the recently renewed Freedom From Abuse and Protection Act (FAPA) motion to contest and compel depositions in the restraining order prohibiting Terri Horman from contact with the couple’s daughter Kiara, now 5 years old. Horman has not seen her daughter since June 2010 despite several attempts through counsel to arrange parenting time. Engel, one of the attorneys representing Kaine Horman, argues that the FAPA case is consolidated with the divorce action, and therefore stayed.
Peter Bunch, counsel for Terri Horman, argues that there is no consolidation order.
Non attorney’s still do not understand how the initial proceeding to renew the FAPA order occurred when the plaintiff failed to file the required motion and accompanying affidavits in advance as required, or even serve the respondent’s attorneys until ordered to do so by Judge Henry Kantor once the hearing commenced. Kantor ordered the renewal anyway. I will let the goodly Oregon bar members weigh in on that anomaly.
That was then. This is now.
As of July 31st, the FAPA restraining order was expired and a civil no contact order was put in its place. The dissolution matter (divorce) stay has been lifted and Desiree Young announced she was instructing her attorney’s to withdraw the $10 million dollar suit financed by public donations.
On the same front steps where Atty Rosenthal announced that they were launching the suit to peel the onion that is to include law enforcement, and to “make Terri Horman talk” was withdrawn in similar fashion.
However, on this occasion, Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill was not spotted on the steps observing. Rosenthal and Young indicated the recent appearance and testimony of former object of compulsion to testify, DeDe Spicher, as well as information that the investigative case file necessary (their words) to prove their claims would not be forthcoming. In an article analyzing the suit appearing on BOC it was predicted that Ms. Young would face possible countersuit and associated fees should the suit continue as filed.
Attorneys for both Kaine and Terri appeared before Multnomah County Circuit Family law Judge Susan Svetkey on August 1, 2013. Judge Svetkey is Houze’s wife. The docket information for that hearing has not yet been entered into the file as of this publication.
The only comment about the withdrawal of the civil tort action by Stephen Houze:
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
In recent interviews, Kaine Horman has intimated that his wife has expressed her desire to help find Kyron, or at least contribute to excluding herself as a possible suspect. He also admitted that he no longer has any communication with Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother. He sometimes wonders what law enforcement is actually doing on his son’s case. This is a firm departure from how Mr. Horman initially retained his six figure attorney Laura Rackner of Gearing, Rackner, and Engel & McGrath. Ms. Rackner appears to have promulgated her duties of late to her partner, Brett Engel.
This all seemed to start when formidable and well known tort Attorney Mark Wagner came out of retirement to appear as counsel for Terri Horman. Wagner and Rackner know each other, and Rackner is no stranger to LE –based dissolution entanglements.
In fact, Wagner represented her and her previous firm successfully.
Bagel Finagle
Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner is no stranger to law enforcement infused litigation. She is a former prosecutor for Oregon’s department of Justice, The U.S. Department of Justice, and Office of Chief Counsel. Ms. Rackner has specificity in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) casework.
Born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Laura received her B.S. in 1979 and her J.D. in 1984, both from the University of Oregon.
Prior to entering private practice, Laura served as deputy district attorney in the Marion County District Attorney’s Office; assistant attorney general in the Oregon Department of Justice; and on the staff of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Chief Counsel, Drug Enforcement Administration.
Record Scratch.
Martin Rob Cagan, The bagel king and according to him, a supreme target of a police shakedown at the hands of his former spouse’s attorneys was the litigious sort.
In fact, this may be how Atty Wagner decides to come out of retirement and become part of Terri Horman’s defense team while the civil suit was active.
Wagner’s firm represented Ms. Rackner in a suit filed by Rob Cagan in which he sued the Dueshete Police Department, A partner in the firm representing Caroleen Vanhoomissen, the suit (or ramblings of a very angry divorcee) alleges that the firm and its lawyers facilitated the difficulties of Mr. Cagan utilizing law enforcement sources directly by the attorneys was dismissed.
Ms. Vanhoomissen, the sister of Judge Vanhoomissen is also the owner of a horse farm in Bend, Oregon. Blinkoncrime was unable to verify if it was the Bend horse farm searched in the early days of the investigation for Kyron.
Attorney Rackner’s prior working relationship with the DEA, the very agency that supplied the undercover officer in the failed sting involving Horman landscaper Rudy Sanchez begs the question- Did Rackner use her contacts and/or credentials to facilitate a surreptitious ruse to gain favor for her client in anticipation of his wife’s potential arrest?
Kaine is on record that law enforcement informed him they had probable cause to arrest Terri. What is not on record, is what came first- the referral to Rackner.
I just want to do what I can to help law enforcement
Seems like an odd comment coming from a family attorney with a background as a prosecutor working with the DEA, which agency subsequently becomes involved in the case- or initially led to her representation- the chicken or the egg facts remain unclear.
The ex parte and originally sealed restraining order did not exclude Terri Horman from the marital home. Was this an oversight of a very seasoned family attorney or was the basis of the now defunct restraining order as provided to Kaine Horman and Laura Rackner by law enforcement effectively invalidated by Terri Horman calling 911?
Is the reason that Atty Engel seems to have taken over representation of Kaine Horman due to the fact that these actions could render Ms. Rackner a witness in her client’s case as opposed to his Attorney?
In the motions and subsequent hearing scheduled for July 30th, the only available arguments outside of the parties agreement is to contest the basis for the FAPA order- or, the allegation Kaine Horman has made within his affidavits more than once, that his wife tried to hire “our landscaper” to kill him, and that she is being investigated for “violent crimes.”
The outcome?
The order was converted to a civil no-contact order which has not yet been added to the file for public review.
Desiree and Kaine’s respective camps both claimed “protecting the integrity of the investigation” was their only interest although the ONLY 2 witnesses who were summoned for deposition by Terri Horman’s lawyers were- the lead investigator of Kyron’s investigation for 18 months- Bobby John O’Donnell and Kaine Horman.
Back To School
Skyline School, the International Baccalaureate candidate who announced the IB open house format weeks earlier via take home handouts to its students and also by displaying the event on its marquis has never been declared a crime scene. Although in nearly every legal support brief or news coverage article Terri Horman was dubbed “the last person to be seen with Kyron Horman” or more recently by Desiree Young as “Kyron was last seen by someone who cared about him at 8:45 am” absolutely no witness account or Science Fair insider was known publicly to dispute such accounts.
Until now.
“Once I learned all that was going on that same day, in that same school, I did not understand why I was being told that Terri Horman was the suspect, and one other person… It never made sense to me that they knew Kyron was seen with someone else besides his stepmother after she left, that they seemed to not even consider another theory.” (*Editor’s Note*- parts of the source’s quote have been redacted as they would reveal identity of witnesses in an ongoing criminal investigation)
Electric Slide?
Sometime after Terri Horman left the school with her daughter Kiara in tow, she was captured on store video prior to Kyron’s exit from Skyline School. It is believed Kyron was last seen between 9:05 and 9:20 AM.
The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.
Classroom 1 Property of www.blinkoncrime.com
(Editor’s Note: It is believed that Desiree and Kaine’s comments about concern that instruction they gave him last year about listening to staff “came back to haunt them.” They have never acknowledged they were told about this witness account but a source close to www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed they were informed but not given a witness description.
www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed the EXIF data on the image includes the timestamp of June 4 2010 at 8:43AM PST.
Backstory OR Backdrop?
Among the peers of Kyron Horman in attendance on June 4th, were some children whose parents may have been granted access via the open house format, although documents filed with the school and LE would preclude the parents from removing them.
In fact, the mother of a chief witness in this case was arrested that very day for attempting to fill a script that did not belong to her, in a pharmacy that Terri Horman allegedly also visited that morning.
Another child whose parents lost custody due to very long histories with substance abuse and associated criminal behavior had the additional possible misfortune of closely resembling both Kaine and Terri Horman.
Non Custodial Parent Red Long Hair
It is unknown whether either parent took the opportunity to visit the school that day, but they were not included on the published list. While barred legally from removing their child from the school they could not be barred from a publicly announced invitational. There was no ID checks or sign-in sheets for non-volunteer guests.
In an unrelated twist, the child’s Father was found deceased in front of a Portland residence in April 2012. The name of the child and Kyron’s schoolmate, guardians and parents are being intentionally withheld for this article.
Sovereignty In lieu Of..
Among the many unanswered questions in Kyron’s disappearance: Why hasn’t the school been held accountable? He disappeared on their watch- with a concise standard of care duty and plan.
What really happened?
There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck. There is no dispute that Kyron was last seen at Skyline School. There is no dispute that both Kyron’s parents expressed concern that last year’s discipline involving instruction on being a better listener may have come back to haunt them. They said so.
What may be in dispute, for sure, is how accurate the list of attendees at the Skyline School of June 4th, 2010 is.
As an example, one witness told Editor In Chief, S. Christina Stoy that a young male former student said hello to Susan Hall and when asked by a parent who the lad was a few days later, she said she was not sure. He is NOT on the list.
When another parent subsequently asked Ms. Hall who the student was following Kyron’s disappearance to verify he was on the published list- she responded she could not remember. Ms. Hall was the Skyline Administrative staff who contacted 911 upon speaking to Terri Horman and learning Kyron was not on the bus. Hall subsequently contacted Desiree Young. She did this while the Horman’s were on their way back to the school to see if Kyron might have thought he was being picked up that day as opposed to riding the bus or some other sort of snafu.
According to the MCSO, the school records that could assist the investigation were never requested to be preserved by investigators and as a result were deleted.
So why was the Skyline School never named as a defendant in the previously pending litigation filed by Kyron’s mother Desiree Young?
The reason may lie in the recreational designation utilized on June 4th, 2010.
According to the National Policy and Legal Analysis Network (napl) it may be a simple question of whether Kyron disappeared during the “recreational” portion of the program.
Napl’s guidance to lawyer’s advising Oregon schools can be read here. Although the overall plan is relative to an obesity initiative, it would include research and advice on any school recreational or regularly scheduled event. Please tell me Cogen does not factor into this.
The following are excerpts from the report:
…”Absent special liability protection, school districts and other providers of recreational facilities have the legal duty to take reasonable precautions to prevent injury. What is reasonable is very context specific and depends on many things: most important, the nature of the harm, the difficulty of preventing it, and generally accepted standards in the management of recreational facilities…”
…” The only immunity Oregon grants to public bodies, which include school districts,2 is discretionary government immunity.3 Discretionary government immunity applies to choices “among alternative public policies by persons to whom responsibility for such policies have been delegated.”4 To fall under the protection of this doctrine, Oregon courts have said, the choice must result from the exercise of judgment and involve a public policy or nonroutine day-to-day activity.
…” In summary, Oregon immunizes schools for policy choices its officials make, but it holds schools liable for breaches of duty that occur in carrying out those policy choices…”
…” The recreational user statute should therefore provide strong protection to Oregon schools seeking to avoid liability arising from after-hours outdoor recreational programs on school grounds. Applying this statute to indoor recreational activities, however, is much riskier, although the case law does not preclude such a strategy.
Regular School Day- Changes Things
…” In Oregon, schools owe students a duty to “supervise at all times the conduct of children on school grounds and to enforce those rules and regulations necessary to their protection. . . . The standard of care imposed upon school personnel in carrying out the duty to supervise the conduct of students is that degree of care which a person of ordinary prudence, charged with comparable duties, would exercise under the same circumstances.”37
Is the issue of liability to Skyline School relegated to what time Kyron was abducted, presuming he was abducted, as is believed?
Very possibly.
As we know, the school opened early the morning of June 4th, 2010, as was displayed on the school’s marquis at least 2 weeks prior. Without particular knowledge of when the suspect responsible for Kyron’s disappearance entered the school, and under what auspice, one is left to the timeline of Kyron’s activities as juxtaposed with the start of the school day. As a regular standard of care, one could argue that begins with a student getting on the bus, if a passenger, on their regular route. What if a bus passenger is attending the “event” outside of the bus transportation? Admittedly, it seems moot inasmuch as neither one of Kyron’s parents have filed suit against the school or named them as having any negligence or liability. That said, it remains a possibility in the event Kyron is found.
There is no question Kyron was seen after 8:45AM- which is the time that a regularly scheduled bus arrives- which would ring the bell, so to speak, on the normal school day.
To be Continued:
Roid Noise And The Boys In Blue- Publishing Thursday August 8. Preview Discussion Tonight on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW.
Ellie Sanders contributed research to this report.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
Image retouching courtesy of Klaasend
Previous Coverage:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/
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Have a post from yesterday hanging out, hopefully it was okay to post that link.
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From Desiree’s interview “rule out all the areas I can”, “check off all the places where he is not”.
IDK, but sounds to me, she is searching the same exact places where LE already searched based on whatever tips they (LE) had been given. Does she not think the searches were done well the first time around? Does she feel the need to see for herself?
I agree with grasshpper, there is a reason LE generally does not want parents out searching. Here we have a mom searching who we and they (LE) know has a grudge against Terri Horman, a woman Desiree despises for taking her second husband away in the first place, regardless of any wrongdoing in the case of her missing son.
She says she/they may have found evidence of ??????? that may advance the case. Wouldn’t Houze call any evidence found by Desiree, possibly planted by her? His remains, would be another story, but I’m just not sure this is a good idea, searching without LE running the show. BTW, where is TY?
From:
http://www.koin.com/2013/09/01/volunteers-continue-search-for-kyron/
Title: Mom of missing boy “Won’t let Terry win”
Shortly after the news conference Sunday, Lt. Steve Alexander with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office told KOIN 6 News it’s his understanding volunteer searchers turned some items over to the sheriff’s office. He said the sheriff’s office does not know if the items are significant to the case or not, and can’t officially call the items evidence at this time. The items are headed for processing by sheriff’s office staff.
Desiree says weekend search for Kyron successful, possible evidence found.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Volunteers-search-for-Kyron-Horman-in-NW-Portland-221999791.html
I so appreciate your in-depth research. It’s like a local, well thought out restaurant compared to fast food. In this case, the fast food portion of the media is a lynch mob pumping out the same crap day after day.
TY kindly and welcome to BOC Joann
B
Does DY know something we do not know with her “let Terri win” comment or do you think it was a poor choice of words?
I believe strongly that Desiree is not being provided correct investigative information and as a Mother of a missing child, I will never condemn her for doing what she thinks she can- even if I do not agree with the strategy.
B
Are we in a new series of comments?
TIA
Not yet RedRose
B
kudos to koin for most incisive & thorough coverage, including, frankly, the title choice:
http://www.koin.com/2013/09/01/volunteers-continue-search-for-kyron/
I did not realize the press photo ops were staged in front of Skyline previously.
Good choice.
There is a good bit of filming after the event, continuing after canera shot looks askew & being packed up.
In fact the film after that shows the proximity & view from the church, as well as a neighboring house.
Way to go, koin camera man.
After viewing Desiree in the parking lot, I feel she is being exploited mercilessly by MCSO as well as well-intentioned Warriors, to her–and Kyron’s—detriment.
@lyla says:
September 1, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Thanks for the link!
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“Whatever it takes!”
Prayers for Kyron and his family!
Blink,
You’ve written about witness accounts of an exchange between an unknown man, Kyron and a teacher.
What I’m not clear on is if the teacher has acknowledged/corroborated the witness account(s) to LE.
Thank you.
They have.
B
@wpg. A burning blaze coukd be lit under mcso and it would not improve performance imo. DY needed yesterday to call for FBI takeover and does not imo because she and 1 or more mcso personnel have a dysfunctional symbiotic relationship which each feels advances their interests.
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I’ve been trying to find the last time Tony was beside Desiree wrt this case. Last I found was May 2011:
July 2010 joint news conf, Medford Police HQ
July 15, 2010
http://m.cbsnews.com/blogsstorysynopsis.rbml?feed_id=71&catid=20010635&videofeed=null
“”I absolutely believe that Terri Horman is responsible for Kyron’s disappearance,” said Tony Young, Desiree’s husband and a detective with the Medford Police Department.”
Feb 2011 Tony on Roseburg sortie: http://trueattrue.blogspot.com/2011/02/yes-i-know-im-out-on-thin-ice-again.html?m=1
May 2011 Tony at interview
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_2.html
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A station that is also trying:
“legal analyst” comments on search
http://kptv.membercenter.worldnow.com/story/23320750/legal-analyst-weighs-in-on-latest-kyron-search
—–Desiree’s most salient statement was not the Terri won’t win comment. It was “I am stuck back on June 4.” What she has been doing to grieve the last 3 years, and cope now, clearly isn’t working for her. After viewing Desiree post-speech in the parking lot, and the Warriors weeping with her thinking hugs are adequate, if I were her mother I’d make every effort to get her to select an inpatient setting to work with a team skilled with reactive depression secondary to severe personal losses — kind of like Paris Jackson has? Imo the treatment team should wall off all interpersonal contacts with her current penumbra of personalities, and the internet, and reintegrate as able.
While she is using her best judgment to search, based on mcso’s storyline, she appears incapable of reasoned action in her present mental state (I mean really–see the before & after film of kptv) and she needs to be protected. Sometimes inpatient is the only adequate means to protect a person & may be necessary to move forward from June 4.
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@ Blink. Perhaps Jade was once named Dede Spicher posting here? After all it was odd a DDS claimant used her name, while wanting to be a private person, & very smart. And a flamboyant post — critiquing vw’s blog as unavailable to the average joe and this blog as an in-group. Perhaps Jade is the person who took vw down, then came here to complain, a two-fer.
It was in fact, Ms. Spicher herself who posted here. There was a poster I deleted after the fact that did attempt to try to post as her- who was not. More to come on that front.
B
that was koin before & after, incl in parking lot.
another thought/speculation.
Maybe Herron acceding to Desiree’s need to search & specifying a well-known previously-searched area is a way of keeping her attached to mcso so she doesn’t agitate for fbi case mgmt? Btw was reminded Tony started out in Medford with Sheriff’s office & also worked corrections there (per old WW cast profile). So maybe June 4 he threw his weight to mcso over PPB.
essay kaye says:
September 2, 2013 at 8:46 am
RE: cd says:
September 1, 2013 at 10:49 pm
What I don’t understand about Desiree is why she see’s looking for Kyron as some kind of competition with Terri instead of an unconditional search for her son.
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I realize that DY did state multiple times that she was searching for her son and I almost did not make that post.
But since this area has already been searched which DY knows and (IMO )Desiree may believe that her son is already deceased. I think this was a search for evidence against TMH not a search for Kyron as advertised.
I have no idea what LE has told DY or what belief she clings to to put her on mission of revenge/competition/defeat of TMH.
I think either it is something we don’t know or the product of the stress Desiree has experienced since her son went missing.
If TMH is never prosecuted for this crime I fear it will destroy Desiree.
Posted on World Soldiers:
http://www.krqe.com/news/local/nm-k-9-search-team-makes-discoveries-in-missing-child-search
7 of the 10 dogs came with Kessinger & her NM co-volunteers.
My thoughts … that DY wanted to do a search for any number of reasons (I’ll list below) and LE suggested an area to search that had been cleared because it would meet her objective and not ruin anything for them … besides most of the public isn’t paying enough attention to realize the area was cleared.
Possible reasons to complete a search:
-to keep KY in the news … IIRC a stratefy used successfully by the Smart family to find ES
-to show the donating public (and KH) that donations were being used for something other than legal expenses and parties
-to rattle TH, who DY clearly still believes is guilty
-and maybe to show Ky that she is looking. In the recent Cleveland case the 3 women were shown by their captor coverage of searches and vigils. Which brings to mind another point, AC would go to vigils for one of the girls. Maybe someone thought the perp would volunteer?
I find it interesting (for lack of a better word) that DY is SO convinced that TH is guilty that she can only consider SZ an accomplice rather than a perp. Is this an idea she came up with to protect herself so that she can believe that Ky is stashed, or did LE plant this idea?
*** I think that her words about making TH talk, TH not cooperating (which seems to me means that TH (and DD) did not tell LE who SZ was), TH will not win all indicate her belief that TH orchestrated this.
Can I just say that my spelling is terrible and I check dictionary.com a lot. WIll you all cover for me if my computer goes to repair and they report me for having searched words like accomplice and captor?!
Jade says:
September 2, 2013 at 3:11 am
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First, a suggestion to relax a little.
Second, I’m pretty sure no one but investigators REALLY knows exactly what happened that morning so not a person here has done a 180. Had you been reading from the beginning you would know that your statement isn’t accurate.
I, more than any poster here, did and still do believe Terri had a hand in Kyron’s fate. I also now see, because of Blink and other fine posters that you are attacking, that Terri’s name and image has been defiled without any evidence backing up those attacks and because we are over the three year mark it’s time for LE, the parents, and the media to put up or shut it, not about Kyron’s story but about Terri being responsible for his abduction.
If Terri has a leg to stand on then it is most definitely time she fight back.
I could not have responded better, excellent and respectful reply Amy’s sister.
I agree with you vehemently except for the TH did anything willfull re Kyron’s disappearance.
B
Blink, I know I’m a bit late with this but I didn’t see the question in the comments so far. If EXIF data confirms the photo to be taken on June 4, 2010 why is Kyron wearing a different set of clothing than he was by all other accounts of that morning?
not Kyron
B
The search may be because DY was not satisfied in her mind that LE conducted their search with enough thoroughness. This is just one way for her to eliminate some questions.
Searching a wooded area by people without experience in the woods will often miss important things. The area North of Skyline is wooded and contains several “fire roads”. These can be observed on Google Earth.
I have said this previously, that IMO the LE team from the Sheriff’s office has some real political problems that have impacted their efforts to solve the case. I am agreeing with Blink about putting together a new team that will review the evidence collected and let the evidence or lack thereof, lead the way to a real solution including the recovery of Kyron.
Mags says:
September 3, 2013 at 11:04 am
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Hi Mags. I know some highly brilliant folks who couldn’t spell to save their lives. I have no doubt you are one of those.
I can’t remember the original reason LE searched that area. Was it based on cell phone pings?
@ATG. It is one thing for Desiree to chose to search that site because she’s not satiafied with what (someone told New Mexico TV Station) were 3 prior LE-sponsored searches there. It is another for those who claim to be professional missing person searchers with touted cadaver dogs to do so. Imo their choice to do so is an indicia by which to judge their professionalism, competence and MO in relating to bereft mothers.
The prior MCSO SAR teams (mainly localky trained volunteers iirc) regularly search for hikers & climbers who have fallen or gotten lost in far more challenging terrain & are trained to this area. And in terms of the terrain, at Germantown/Skyline, what volunteer base would be more familiar than neighbors? Yet DY did not advertise for volunteers on Skyline PTA list serve or Skyline Ridge Runner, but instead turned to “Warriors.”.
@Mags, I agree that the search may very well have been orchestrated to rattle Terri, as well as her “possible evidence” remark. She firmly believes Terri is responsible for Ky’s disappearance, as did/does her husband. If the divorce goes forward and Terri is granted custody, Desiree Young will feel she has lost her only playing card….Kaira. Quoting her FB comment: “no talkie-no Kiara”.
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Cindy says:
September 2, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Does DY know something we do not know with her “let Terri win” comment or do you think it was a poor choice of words?
I believe strongly that Desiree is not being provided correct investigative information and as a Mother of a missing child, I will never condemn her for doing what she thinks she can- even if I do not agree with the strategy.
B
@Blink, so do you believe that Desiree & Tony Young may be the victims of the *perpetually disseminated inaccurate information*?
I ask this, because in Bunch’s statement, he does say both Kaine & LE did this and does not mention Tony & Desiree as being a party to said dissemination. IOW, I guess what I’m asking is has LE lied to DY & TY, or not given them the same information as they have Kaine?
I definitely do. Overt or by ommission, yes.
B
re:
“Blink,
You’ve written about witness accounts of an exchange between an unknown man, Kyron and a teacher.
What I’m not clear on is if the teacher has acknowledged/corroborated the witness account(s) to LE.
Thank you.”
“They have.”
B
Sorry, Blink, I’m not clear on your answer (of “They”, plural) which may be because my question (about “she”, singular) was not clear.
The teacher, Ms.E.M., has acknowledged to LE that she nodded to Kyron in response to an unknown male’s request?
Thank you again.
She discussed her account that day, but I have never spoken to her. I only know this from a witness who was told their account corroborated hers.
B
I’m wondering what others thoughts are on this: unless the searchers found something Kyron was wearing or had with him on June 4th, what could have been found that would lead searchers to believe they found potential evidence, given the fact the search took place three years later?
Blink,
I am at a loss to understand how a teeny, tiny Kyron (or any child for that matter) would be given approval by a teacher to go outside the school, alone with an unknown man to physically assist an unknown fully-grown man.
W ;( T
H 
I am def not making excuses for anyone, it should never happen. But I would simply say that we do not know what the witness interpretations were. As an example, for all we know, one person’s was that this guy was a relative in the way he carried himself, and Kyron just looked up really. Does that make sense?
Investigatively, assumptions must be made to provide context, but that information is in the hands of LE.
I have always believed, and now more than ever, that LE believes either Ky, this person, or both were seen after they had exited or that he is connected to TH. Why, I have no idea, but I could guess.
B
Rockett’s flickr account
I’m not good at identifying vehicles and I can’t see the emblem, is this a Ford F250? (with a camper shell?) (several shots)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/srockett/7588146880/in/set-72157630614588178/lightbox/
Looks like this one to me (although this is newer) the photos are supposedly from 2010 “fun days”.
http://www.8-lug.com/readersrides/1206_8l_bragging_rights_readers_rides_june_2012/photo_02.html
Can anyone recall what the address was for the Horman’s when the lived in Aloha? I can find Terri Ecker’s addy, did KH move into Terri Horman’s home or was there a different house? Just wondering if they were ever Rockett’s neighbors.
If Desiree is searching fields and woods she must be searching for remains. She was also searching for evidence. Wouldn’t that only be useful if found near the remains? Terri lived in that area for years so if something related to her turned up, how could it be circumstantially tied to Kyron’s disappearance? I listened to the presser carefully for any mention of terri and it didn’t come until almost the end. I won’t let Terri win. I don’t think she was referring to a competition because D has been in the press spotlight all this time while Terri has avoided it. D refers to proving Terri “did it”. Neither she nor K have ever addressed an unknown person saying, “Please let my son go.” or “Please tell me where my son is.” They both say: get Terri to talk. I truly don’t understand this tunnel vision.
I’ve been running scenario “contexts” through my head (including the man wearing a matching CSI t-shirt), so yes, what you say makes sense – - to a point.
blink says
I have always believed, and now more than ever, that LE believes either Ky, this person, or both were seen after they had exited or that he is connected to TH. Why, I have no idea, but I could guess.
B
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problem is, they have never even admitted to this person, only hinted that Terri might have an accomplice. Why have they not actively pursued sz with the help of the public? Instead they have relentlessly attacked terri, taken her child, kept her in a virtual prison. THAT is what I can’t understand. SZ was the primary in that he left with Kyron. Terri would be at most an accomplice. No way to be sure of her part in it even if she knows this person. for example, what if RS took Kyron. Let’s say he has a grudge against Terri. In spite of speculation, there is no indication they had an affair. So say he has a grudge and takes Kyron. Terri knows him but would then have no part in abduction. There are so many possibilities. Why focus only on Terri?
I have so much empathy for Desiree’s rage and perseverance! Who knows what went down between her and Kaine regarding all of this. If LE is giving Kaine information (true or not) and he isn’t sharing it with Desiree I think just that would anger me beyond belief. And where is Tony? You would think he would have been at the search to show support, even if he wasn’t able to be part of the search team. I am equating Desiree to Diana Nyad, the 64-year-old woman who just swam from Cuba to Florida without the help of a shark tank… Shark tank being Kaine, Tony and LE. My heart goes out to her.
Rockett:
I am a recently divorced father raising my 2 sons. I am easy going and like to make new friends from all over the world. I like to travel to other countries and see how other people live. Soon my sons will be old enough to travel with me. We like to do anything with the outdoors and my sons are really into baseball right now which takes up a lot of our time.
Always interested in meeting other families with same interests.
Decided to get more into taking pictures so that I have memories of when my sons are young. The more pictures I take the more I like it and I find myself taking my camera with me where ever I go.
Please do not invite any of my pictures to a group unless you invite me to the group first. Thanks
1/6/13 – Cleaned up my contact list. Deleted ones that have not uploaded pictures in a long time, upload pictures just not interesting to me, just porn pictures or did not have me at equal level.
DID NOT THINK I HAD TO SPELL THIS OUT BUT RECENT EVENTS MAKE IT NECESSARY. PLEASE DO NOT REPOST ANY OF MY PICTURES WITHOUT PERMISSION OR I PERSONALLY KNOW YOU OR THE PICTURE IS OF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW. THANKS
http://www.flickr.com/people/64127996@N08/
2010 camping trip truck w/camper shell on:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/srockett/6324745574/in/set-72157628079564270
(snipped)”I have always believed, and now more than ever, that LE believes either Ky, this person, or both were seen after they had exited or that he is connected to TH. Why, I have no idea, but I could guess.
B”
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I have often wondered about KH’s school friend Michael Cook and TH’s hot relationship with Cook after Kyron went missing. He was also present at Kyron’s vigil.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kaine_hormans_lawyer_files_tex.html
@Blink. Guess away.
@Blink. Did Bobby O’D have custody issues or
use an RO in his bitter-at-the-time divorce to your knowledge?
For discussion in next piece Rose. Seriously, quit forethinking for fortnights. LOL
B
Something I found sort of odd about Rockett’s photos he has 145 photos posted of OMSI visit for 2012, 112 for 2011, zero for 2010 and only 8 for 2009, none of which include the CSI exhibit. Could just mean his kids didn’t want to see the CSI exhibit. Probably means nothing, but we do know for sure that Kyron was at the exhibit in 2009, that’s when the CSI exhibits were there.
Anywho, while looking at some of his public flickr photos it appears there is a school or playing field of some type right next to his home. It made me wonder if he ever volunteered to be a chaperone on any of the field trips. Would schools simultaneously attend field trips there? Does anyone know if there was an field trip to OMSI done in 2009 or 2010 by Skyline?
This was an interesting old post I just came across from WS, and the article linked there is also interesting:
“Originally Posted by dovebar View Post
http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2010/04/eight_hillsboro_school_district_schools_will_background_check_all_volunteers_under_test_program.html
This is a very interesting article about the lack of background checks of volunteers and chaperones – especially those that live within the district.
Edit: in hindsight, I find it creepy that this article is only six weeks old. Could a perp have gotten the idea from this article? Oh, good way to abduct a child – be a volunteer or chaperone for a busy event because you won’t be checked.
This is scary. I know my son’s school didn’t attempt a background check of any kind on me when I was going to volunteer for his field trip to OMSI. It was a day trip that would have required hours spent with the children and things like supervising bathroom breaks and lunch time. You would think they would be checking even volunteering parents carefully with the rise of inter-family abuses that are happening on a daily basis.”
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5262583
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Reposting, in case anyone hasn’t seen Rockett’s increased bail:
http://www.kgw.com/news/More-victims-sought-after-arrest-in-Forest-Grove-sex-abuse-case-221048591.html
Bail now $1.5M for Forest Grove sex abuse suspect
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Investigators believe Rockett engaged in sexual conduct with numerous underage victims for many years, and have investigated him for the past 14 years, Ray said.
Authorities were unable to gather enough evidence to charge him until Thursday, Ray said. He faces rape, sodomy and sex abuse charges.
Rockett has traveled extensively, including internationally and detectives are searching for additional victims.
one of Herron’s mcso activities in 2008:
“HERRON identified himself as a member of the executive board for the Union and in that position he had represented a number of union members.” http://blog.oregonlive.com/oregonianextra/2008/01/FINAL%20GIUSTO%20Investigative%20Report%20%231%2001%2016%2008.pdf
p177
I found it on O’Donnell:
“and his ex-wife got a restraining order against him….”
(this was prior to his divorce)
“O’DONNELL stated that his ex-wife “tried to really jam me up”….”
So the man was knowledgeable.
p241 of 302.
I wonder if Herron ever repped O’Donnell back in the day?
As you now know, oh foreperson, lol, he did. Sorry for being behind- be like that for a few unfortunately.
B
you know, wpg, both 2nd grade teachers at my son’s public would’ve nodded
OK at a SF or other event if the man was seeking help “carrying something in”
andwas groomed appropriately.
Our3rd grade would not, but the other 3rd grade teacher absolutely would’ve (principal had tried to retire
her but Union won tgat game) 4th & 5th would’ve nodded OK. It was a small trusting school like Kyron’s.
Most el ed teachers are average personalities with a busy workload.
Where EM fell most short was not requiring Kyron to return to her to check in.
I can’t see Terri planning this as it’s so unlikely & random EM would’ve OK’d a departure,
& not followed up,
AND Porter didn’t follow up.
This was Very Planned (& imo random within the Plan)
but not to a safety net for perp past 10 am. Imo he was over & done by then.
Rose says:
September 3, 2013 at 5:45 pm
@Blink. Guess away.
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I enthusiastically second that motion, Rose.
I have a differing opinion of Tony Young. My husband and I are extremely independent people. We allow each other lots of space yet support one another fully. We also aren’t always at the events and activities each one of us do or participate in, nor do we expect that of one another.
Tony is in a precarious situation because of his profession. This is Desiree’s fight and she appears strong to me. I am sure Tony is giving her a great deal of support in the privacy of their marriage and home.
Desiree cannot lie, that much is obvious. She wears her heart on her sleeve. She still totally supports LE so whatever story they have given her, whatever information they have shared, she believes it implicitly.
The whole thing is so odd and takes me back to Stanton warning us we would all be surprised and him wishing he didn’t know the things he knows.
wpg says:
September 3, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Blink,
I am at a loss to understand how a teeny, tiny Kyron (or any child for that matter) would be given approval by a teacher to go outside the school, alone with an unknown man to physically assist an unknown fully-grown man.
W ;( T H
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From the moment I read the witness(es) account(s), I have believed there is more to the story. I am not saying the witnesses were not truthful, just that one’s perception of an event can be distorted. I cannot imagine a teacher nowadays, with all we know about abductions, allowing a child to go with a perfect stranger she had never seen before. Could it be that the teacher or Kyron recognized the man? Do we absolutely know for sure that this was the last ime anyone saw Kyron in the building?
To my knowledge, inside the building, yes.
B
Rose says:
September 3, 2013 at 5:45 pm
@Blink. Guess away.
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Nodding in agreement and chuckling at the same time.
Cannot wait to read the next installment.
Blink, I don’t recall you ever commenting or writing about the letter at the Wall of Hope. Do you believe it was possibly written by the abductor?
I do not.
B
O’Donnell “heavily involved” per Rees, Sr DA.
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/multnomahcounty.pdf
Funny that second hand accounts of what someone was told lead people to make statements that LE is wrong, inept, and going in the wrong direction. If it is as Blink posits, an intense focus on SZ, thorough examination of leads and witness statements surely would have followed. MCSO gets nothing out of looking inept. Kyron gets nothing out of blind faith leading an investigation down the wrong path. Many LE agencies were involved for long periods of time. The task force had regular meetings. It seems like this theory would have been raised and focused on in depth. Have you talked with LE about your theories? I have a hard time believing that anyone would allow themselves to go that far off track with no end in sight. Why would they go down the wrong path for so long? Doesn’t make sense.
If you are having a hard time believing that LE gets tunnel vision and discounts what does not fit theory, you will be more than verklempt at my next piece.
The task force was disbanded years ago, where are you getting your “facts” to support your opinion?
B
@GraceintheHills.
My son was in the then highest testing school in our State,
and a leading inclusion school, with paras the quantity of Skyline (high).
e year after the stellar principal responsible
for success left, thr follow-up Principal (my son’s) was a Keefer MO.
Totally Good Fellow,
Hail, fellow, well met.
And, doors weren’t monitored at all at school events.
Because it was a small, trusting, neighborhood school .
In small trusting schools, teachers will do what EM did, stranger to her or not, if he blends.
@amy’s. my opinion is Houze sent a letter to TY’s employer after the I’m a Detective & Terri did it thing saying if he continued to couple his Medford job title with TMH guilt announcement Bad Things Would Happen via suit
And Tony got assigned missing cars & paid attention
@Blink. what else can I do with kids at college but think?
And sleep patterns of old age suck
well, I’ll go pay for some CEUs.
LOL LOL
B
Trying to pin down the last time Kyron was seen. Is it true that he was seen in the parking lot with one or more men after his last sighting inside the building?
Ongoing and Never Ceasing Prayers for Kyron’s family and friends.
Praying that DeDe & Terri will soon have their names cleared of involvement in Kyron’s disappearance. They deserve to have a life free from accusations based on nothing but assumptions.
Prayers for Terri to be reunited with Kitty.
Prayers for Desiree to find peace in all the truths that unfold.
Especially prayers for Kyron to be returned home where he belongs.
@Graceinthehills
Agreed, in this day and time, why would a teacher allow this?
However, it has been proven in character studies and in numerous “dateline” type exposes ala “what would your child do?” and similar stories that it happens all the time.
Human nature and courtesy and kindness prevent us, at times, from questioning motives of individuals in situations like this. It would appear “rude” (potentially) to question the motives of a “dad” (no pun) asking for help to bring in an exhibit or supplies…so it happens that they are not questioned. Most often, it is innocent and the person sincerely just needs help, but clearly in this case, it was not.
This type of “allowance” happens every single day…we do not question when we should and allow things we should not. Most times it’s perfectly fine, but is it worth the risk?
I have learned most people understand when you explain you are just being cautious. Occasionally there are feelings hurt, but in the end, hurt feelings are better than missing persons or bad things. I work in a field where I am required to meet strangers in vacant properties, sometime remote properties. I made the decision years ago that I put my safety first for my family…I never go alone and if they can’t wait until I can get someone to go with me, oh well…next.
Prayers for Kyron and his family.