Kyron Horman Exclusive Report: New Suspect And Botched Investigation Rumors Abound- Terri Horman Prepares To Fight For Couples Daughter Following Seclusion
If you are reading this and have followed the Kyron Homan disappearance coverage since he vanished from Skyline School on June 4th 2010, you know my coverage and commentary has focused on the macro analysis of the case details- both publicly available and via developed sources. This report contains newly released information known to law enforcement. It’s contents, to include reader commentary and moderation response, may not be reproduced or copied without express written consent by it’s author in accordance with applicable copyright law.
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Last Week’s Meet And Greet
On Tuesday July 30th, the attorneys representing Terri Moulton Horman, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young attended a series of case hearings. Not held in chambers as announced, but public guests were barred.
On the docket- Desiree Young’s “stay” status of the $10 million dollar civil tort action brought against Terri Horman and the dissolution (divorce and custody) litigation brought by Kaine Horman, Terri’s estranged husband. Until July 26th, there were additional hearings and status conferences scheduled for the recently renewed Freedom From Abuse and Protection Act (FAPA) motion to contest and compel depositions in the restraining order prohibiting Terri Horman from contact with the couple’s daughter Kiara, now 5 years old. Horman has not seen her daughter since June 2010 despite several attempts through counsel to arrange parenting time. Engel, one of the attorneys representing Kaine Horman, argues that the FAPA case is consolidated with the divorce action, and therefore stayed.
Peter Bunch, counsel for Terri Horman, argues that there is no consolidation order.
Non attorney’s still do not understand how the initial proceeding to renew the FAPA order occurred when the plaintiff failed to file the required motion and accompanying affidavits in advance as required, or even serve the respondent’s attorneys until ordered to do so by Judge Henry Kantor once the hearing commenced. Kantor ordered the renewal anyway. I will let the goodly Oregon bar members weigh in on that anomaly.
That was then. This is now.
As of July 31st, the FAPA restraining order was expired and a civil no contact order was put in its place. The dissolution matter (divorce) stay has been lifted and Desiree Young announced she was instructing her attorney’s to withdraw the $10 million dollar suit financed by public donations.
On the same front steps where Atty Rosenthal announced that they were launching the suit to peel the onion that is to include law enforcement, and to “make Terri Horman talk” was withdrawn in similar fashion.
However, on this occasion, Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill was not spotted on the steps observing. Rosenthal and Young indicated the recent appearance and testimony of former object of compulsion to testify, DeDe Spicher, as well as information that the investigative case file necessary (their words) to prove their claims would not be forthcoming. In an article analyzing the suit appearing on BOC it was predicted that Ms. Young would face possible countersuit and associated fees should the suit continue as filed.
Attorneys for both Kaine and Terri appeared before Multnomah County Circuit Family law Judge Susan Svetkey on August 1, 2013. Judge Svetkey is Houze’s wife. The docket information for that hearing has not yet been entered into the file as of this publication.
The only comment about the withdrawal of the civil tort action by Stephen Houze:
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
In recent interviews, Kaine Horman has intimated that his wife has expressed her desire to help find Kyron, or at least contribute to excluding herself as a possible suspect. He also admitted that he no longer has any communication with Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother. He sometimes wonders what law enforcement is actually doing on his son’s case. This is a firm departure from how Mr. Horman initially retained his six figure attorney Laura Rackner of Gearing, Rackner, and Engel & McGrath. Ms. Rackner appears to have promulgated her duties of late to her partner, Brett Engel.
This all seemed to start when formidable and well known tort Attorney Mark Wagner came out of retirement to appear as counsel for Terri Horman. Wagner and Rackner know each other, and Rackner is no stranger to LE –based dissolution entanglements.
In fact, Wagner represented her and her previous firm successfully.
Bagel Finagle
Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner is no stranger to law enforcement infused litigation. She is a former prosecutor for Oregon’s department of Justice, The U.S. Department of Justice, and Office of Chief Counsel. Ms. Rackner has specificity in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) casework.
Born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Laura received her B.S. in 1979 and her J.D. in 1984, both from the University of Oregon.
Prior to entering private practice, Laura served as deputy district attorney in the Marion County District Attorney’s Office; assistant attorney general in the Oregon Department of Justice; and on the staff of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Chief Counsel, Drug Enforcement Administration.
Record Scratch.
Martin Rob Cagan, The bagel king and according to him, a supreme target of a police shakedown at the hands of his former spouse’s attorneys was the litigious sort.
In fact, this may be how Atty Wagner decides to come out of retirement and become part of Terri Horman’s defense team while the civil suit was active.
Wagner’s firm represented Ms. Rackner in a suit filed by Rob Cagan in which he sued the Dueshete Police Department, A partner in the firm representing Caroleen Vanhoomissen, the suit (or ramblings of a very angry divorcee) alleges that the firm and its lawyers facilitated the difficulties of Mr. Cagan utilizing law enforcement sources directly by the attorneys was dismissed.
Ms. Vanhoomissen, the sister of Judge Vanhoomissen is also the owner of a horse farm in Bend, Oregon. Blinkoncrime was unable to verify if it was the Bend horse farm searched in the early days of the investigation for Kyron.
Attorney Rackner’s prior working relationship with the DEA, the very agency that supplied the undercover officer in the failed sting involving Horman landscaper Rudy Sanchez begs the question- Did Rackner use her contacts and/or credentials to facilitate a surreptitious ruse to gain favor for her client in anticipation of his wife’s potential arrest?
Kaine is on record that law enforcement informed him they had probable cause to arrest Terri. What is not on record, is what came first- the referral to Rackner.
I just want to do what I can to help law enforcement
Seems like an odd comment coming from a family attorney with a background as a prosecutor working with the DEA, which agency subsequently becomes involved in the case- or initially led to her representation- the chicken or the egg facts remain unclear.
The ex parte and originally sealed restraining order did not exclude Terri Horman from the marital home. Was this an oversight of a very seasoned family attorney or was the basis of the now defunct restraining order as provided to Kaine Horman and Laura Rackner by law enforcement effectively invalidated by Terri Horman calling 911?
Is the reason that Atty Engel seems to have taken over representation of Kaine Horman due to the fact that these actions could render Ms. Rackner a witness in her client’s case as opposed to his Attorney?
In the motions and subsequent hearing scheduled for July 30th, the only available arguments outside of the parties agreement is to contest the basis for the FAPA order- or, the allegation Kaine Horman has made within his affidavits more than once, that his wife tried to hire “our landscaper” to kill him, and that she is being investigated for “violent crimes.”
The outcome?
The order was converted to a civil no-contact order which has not yet been added to the file for public review.
Desiree and Kaine’s respective camps both claimed “protecting the integrity of the investigation” was their only interest although the ONLY 2 witnesses who were summoned for deposition by Terri Horman’s lawyers were- the lead investigator of Kyron’s investigation for 18 months- Bobby John O’Donnell and Kaine Horman.
Back To School
Skyline School, the International Baccalaureate candidate who announced the IB open house format weeks earlier via take home handouts to its students and also by displaying the event on its marquis has never been declared a crime scene. Although in nearly every legal support brief or news coverage article Terri Horman was dubbed “the last person to be seen with Kyron Horman” or more recently by Desiree Young as “Kyron was last seen by someone who cared about him at 8:45 am” absolutely no witness account or Science Fair insider was known publicly to dispute such accounts.
Until now.
“Once I learned all that was going on that same day, in that same school, I did not understand why I was being told that Terri Horman was the suspect, and one other person… It never made sense to me that they knew Kyron was seen with someone else besides his stepmother after she left, that they seemed to not even consider another theory.” (*Editor’s Note*- parts of the source’s quote have been redacted as they would reveal identity of witnesses in an ongoing criminal investigation)
Electric Slide?
Sometime after Terri Horman left the school with her daughter Kiara in tow, she was captured on store video prior to Kyron’s exit from Skyline School. It is believed Kyron was last seen between 9:05 and 9:20 AM.
The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.
Classroom 1 Property of www.blinkoncrime.com
(Editor’s Note: It is believed that Desiree and Kaine’s comments about concern that instruction they gave him last year about listening to staff “came back to haunt them.” They have never acknowledged they were told about this witness account but a source close to www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed they were informed but not given a witness description.
www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed the EXIF data on the image includes the timestamp of June 4 2010 at 8:43AM PST.
Backstory OR Backdrop?
Among the peers of Kyron Horman in attendance on June 4th, were some children whose parents may have been granted access via the open house format, although documents filed with the school and LE would preclude the parents from removing them.
In fact, the mother of a chief witness in this case was arrested that very day for attempting to fill a script that did not belong to her, in a pharmacy that Terri Horman allegedly also visited that morning.
Another child whose parents lost custody due to very long histories with substance abuse and associated criminal behavior had the additional possible misfortune of closely resembling both Kaine and Terri Horman.
Non Custodial Parent Red Long Hair
It is unknown whether either parent took the opportunity to visit the school that day, but they were not included on the published list. While barred legally from removing their child from the school they could not be barred from a publicly announced invitational. There was no ID checks or sign-in sheets for non-volunteer guests.
In an unrelated twist, the child’s Father was found deceased in front of a Portland residence in April 2012. The name of the child and Kyron’s schoolmate, guardians and parents are being intentionally withheld for this article.
Sovereignty In lieu Of..
Among the many unanswered questions in Kyron’s disappearance: Why hasn’t the school been held accountable? He disappeared on their watch- with a concise standard of care duty and plan.
What really happened?
There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck. There is no dispute that Kyron was last seen at Skyline School. There is no dispute that both Kyron’s parents expressed concern that last year’s discipline involving instruction on being a better listener may have come back to haunt them. They said so.
What may be in dispute, for sure, is how accurate the list of attendees at the Skyline School of June 4th, 2010 is.
As an example, one witness told Editor In Chief, S. Christina Stoy that a young male former student said hello to Susan Hall and when asked by a parent who the lad was a few days later, she said she was not sure. He is NOT on the list.
When another parent subsequently asked Ms. Hall who the student was following Kyron’s disappearance to verify he was on the published list- she responded she could not remember. Ms. Hall was the Skyline Administrative staff who contacted 911 upon speaking to Terri Horman and learning Kyron was not on the bus. Hall subsequently contacted Desiree Young. She did this while the Horman’s were on their way back to the school to see if Kyron might have thought he was being picked up that day as opposed to riding the bus or some other sort of snafu.
According to the MCSO, the school records that could assist the investigation were never requested to be preserved by investigators and as a result were deleted.
So why was the Skyline School never named as a defendant in the previously pending litigation filed by Kyron’s mother Desiree Young?
The reason may lie in the recreational designation utilized on June 4th, 2010.
According to the National Policy and Legal Analysis Network (napl) it may be a simple question of whether Kyron disappeared during the “recreational” portion of the program.
Napl’s guidance to lawyer’s advising Oregon schools can be read here. Although the overall plan is relative to an obesity initiative, it would include research and advice on any school recreational or regularly scheduled event. Please tell me Cogen does not factor into this.
The following are excerpts from the report:
…”Absent special liability protection, school districts and other providers of recreational facilities have the legal duty to take reasonable precautions to prevent injury. What is reasonable is very context specific and depends on many things: most important, the nature of the harm, the difficulty of preventing it, and generally accepted standards in the management of recreational facilities…”
…” The only immunity Oregon grants to public bodies, which include school districts,2 is discretionary government immunity.3 Discretionary government immunity applies to choices “among alternative public policies by persons to whom responsibility for such policies have been delegated.”4 To fall under the protection of this doctrine, Oregon courts have said, the choice must result from the exercise of judgment and involve a public policy or nonroutine day-to-day activity.
…” In summary, Oregon immunizes schools for policy choices its officials make, but it holds schools liable for breaches of duty that occur in carrying out those policy choices…”
…” The recreational user statute should therefore provide strong protection to Oregon schools seeking to avoid liability arising from after-hours outdoor recreational programs on school grounds. Applying this statute to indoor recreational activities, however, is much riskier, although the case law does not preclude such a strategy.
Regular School Day- Changes Things
…” In Oregon, schools owe students a duty to “supervise at all times the conduct of children on school grounds and to enforce those rules and regulations necessary to their protection. . . . The standard of care imposed upon school personnel in carrying out the duty to supervise the conduct of students is that degree of care which a person of ordinary prudence, charged with comparable duties, would exercise under the same circumstances.”37
Is the issue of liability to Skyline School relegated to what time Kyron was abducted, presuming he was abducted, as is believed?
Very possibly.
As we know, the school opened early the morning of June 4th, 2010, as was displayed on the school’s marquis at least 2 weeks prior. Without particular knowledge of when the suspect responsible for Kyron’s disappearance entered the school, and under what auspice, one is left to the timeline of Kyron’s activities as juxtaposed with the start of the school day. As a regular standard of care, one could argue that begins with a student getting on the bus, if a passenger, on their regular route. What if a bus passenger is attending the “event” outside of the bus transportation? Admittedly, it seems moot inasmuch as neither one of Kyron’s parents have filed suit against the school or named them as having any negligence or liability. That said, it remains a possibility in the event Kyron is found.
There is no question Kyron was seen after 8:45AM- which is the time that a regularly scheduled bus arrives- which would ring the bell, so to speak, on the normal school day.
To be Continued:
Roid Noise And The Boys In Blue- Publishing Thursday August 8. Preview Discussion Tonight on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW.
Ellie Sanders contributed research to this report.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
Image retouching courtesy of Klaasend
Previous Coverage:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/
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I just want to say…Love Rose and her forethinking! LOL!
@Blink re: (partial response to Grace)
As will be clear in my new piece set to publish Tues or Wed- I have zero confidence this case will ever be resolved with the current LE assets assigned to it. This needs a red team yesterday.
B
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Let’s all admit that we hit the ‘F5′ Refresh button every few minutes in anticipation of the next installment….:D
We all do it, so it can’t be bad, right?
LOL!
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
GraceintheHills says:
September 3, 2013 at 8:25 pm
wpg says:
September 3, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Blink,
I am at a loss to understand how a teeny, tiny Kyron (or any child for that matter) would be given approval by a teacher to go outside the school, alone with an unknown man to physically assist an unknown fully-grown man.
W ;( T H
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From the moment I read the witness(es) account(s), I have believed there is more to the story. I am not saying the witnesses were not truthful, just that one’s perception of an event can be distorted. I cannot imagine a teacher nowadays, with all we know about abductions, allowing a child to go with a perfect stranger she had never seen before. Could it be that the teacher or Kyron recognized the man? Do we absolutely know for sure that this was the last ime anyone saw Kyron in the building?
To my knowledge, inside the building, yes.
B
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@Blink
Are you saying that there is also a witness who Kyron *outside the building* after this witness’s account?
yes.
B
Sorry, meant to say who *saw* Kyron *outside the building*.
January says:
September 3, 2013 at 3:53 pm
I have so much empathy for Desiree’s rage and perseverance! Who knows what went down between her and Kaine regarding all of this. If LE is giving Kaine information (true or not) and he isn’t sharing it with Desiree I think just that would anger me beyond belief. And where is Tony? You would think he would have been at the search to show support, even if he wasn’t able to be part of the search team. I am equating Desiree to Diana Nyad, the 64-year-old woman who just swam from Cuba to Florida without the help of a shark tank… Shark tank being Kaine, Tony and LE. My heart goes out to her.
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@January – this comment really isn’t specific to you, but your “where is Tony?” reminded me of something I’ve been meaning to say recently – thank you.
Respectfully, JMO:
In 2010 when we first met TY, it seemed he was a strong person, a loving husband, and very supportive of Desiree, and that he had a very good relationship with Kyron who, IIRC, said he wanted to be a detective when he grew up. Over the years, from time to time, I have prayed for their marriage. A situation like this has to be one of the most difficult burdens for 2 people to carry and still maintain a healthy relationship at the same time. If you simply look at the concerns we, with our limited knowledge, have expressed about DY’s health and the ups and downs she has been going through, you quickly get some sense of the impact all of this could be having on other areas of her life – she may well feel there are no other areas of her life right now.
My point here is that I don’t think we can draw any conclusions regarding the case or about what TY believes or doesn’t from his presence, or lack thereof. Neither can we know for sure what his thoughts about the civil case, the fundraising, and the searches, etc., are unless he decides to share that. It’s somewhat frustrating because I would like to hear from him, however, I think it could be more difficult for them if he did speak out or even just show up at times, and I suspect it’s wise of him not to take an active public role now. Hopefully, they gain strength from each other privately.
The one thing I am sure of with regard to TY is that no matter what his views or his knowledge of the case, he has a significant share of his own pain and loss to deal with.
agreed. Personally, I see this differently. I opine that Tony, with his investigative background, is now of the opinion that 3 years later, the SZ witness accounts, among other information shared with him, has merit.
Can’t be a fun topic for discussion in that home, I say respectfully.
B
What’s the origin of that CSI t-shirt . . . did the family purchase it/them ready-made somewhere, or gift(s) to them, or maybe custom-made?
The t-shirt doesn’t have any wording regarding the traveling exhibit, “CSI: The Experience” that was at OMSI in 2009 . . . unless it’s on the back?
It belonged to big brother James originally.
B
SouthernMom says:
September 3, 2013 at 11:33 pm
@Graceinthehills
Agreed, in this day and time, why would a teacher allow this?
However, it has been proven in character studies and in numerous “dateline” type exposes ala “what would your child do?” and similar stories that it happens all the time.
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@Southern mom: You are speaking of two completely different subjects. Yes, I have seen the shows where even well – trained children go with strangers. That did not surprise me. A teacher allowing a child to leave with a total stranger is something else entirely. Adults, especially when they are responsible for children in school setting, should have better judgement.
Y’all are pretty nonchalant. I’m just getting off the floor.
snip>
It was in fact, Ms. Spicher herself who posted here.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-20/#comments
I have been asking myself the same question. Was this some kind of staged event to make someone nervous? What could make someone nervous after 3 years? Did the dogs hit on some things, and that is the potential evidence? I live in similar terrain, and it is constantly changing, the elements (wind, rain, snow, sun) and animals (elk, bobcat, cougar, deer, coyote, rabbits, eagles, ravens, etc.) I just don’t know what evidence could be intact after so much time.
Miss Bri says:
September 3, 2013 at 1:13 pm
I’m wondering what others thoughts are on this: unless the searchers found something Kyron was wearing or had with him on June 4th, what could have been found that would lead searchers to believe they found potential evidence, given the fact the search took place three years later?
I am erose and have an F5 habit.
SouthernMom says:
September 3, 2013 at 11:52 pm
Welcome erose.
LOL
B
I think the theory is that even though TH did not physically remove Kyron, she was the “mastermind” behind his abduction. It would seem that any other theory is not even being entertained. Not very scientific.
grasshopper says:
September 3, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Erose says (snip)
Y’all are pretty nonchalant. I’m just getting off the floor.
snip>
It was in fact, Ms. Spicher herself who posted here.
B
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No kidding…wow
Dear Ms. Blink,
You know you FEED and encourage the F5 habit; we just put up with you anyhow.
“Second part posting tomorrow.” “Oops, busy with secret cold cases, posting next week.” “Darn, the puppy is being a pain, second part before too long.” “Stop being impatient, part 2 will be up when ready and not before.” “Yes, DeDe was here.” “********” (can’t put that one, it was a special tease not posted publicly, lol) “next up on Tuesday or Wednesday”
B, you saying “welcome erose” is the spider to the fly.
lizzy (hitting F5 so often that she’s fighting an OCD diagnosis)
Hey! I resemble that remark! Lol, I know, I know- I am working on the stoppage of time till I catch up to myself but I am failing miserably. And did I mention, there’s the puppy.
Part 2 IS NOT Publishing Today. But a new Part I is, I promise.
B
My POV on Tony was after a couple interviews
where he coupled “a detective with Medford” with
“Terri is guilty”, Houze sent a letter to him & his employer
and his employer silenced him.
In the next piece, will we find rackner represented O’Donnell
or his ex in her RO?
I don’t think WK or Bruce would have gone with what they believe to be cadaver dogs
unless they thought those grids, on the representation of Herron,
were more likely than not to hold “evidence.” They live for their dogs and their dogs’ reputations.
On the other hand, with WK’s public criticism of a NW LE Dept all over the press in a prior search, maybe
Herron chose something “safe” & cleared. .
My thoughts on the teacher allowing K to leave the school, is that she did not recognized SZ as a “total stranger” Blink has reported that SZ’s description matches three Skyline fathers. Blink’s witness initially thought the man was someone else (B redacted the name). It would seem likely that the teacher “recognized” SZ as a Skyline parent.
As to why LE has not made a big deal about this (even if SZ was TMH’s accomplice, finding him would be of great value) I can only guess. Was K later seen outside the school without SZ? Was SZ seen returning to the school without K? Are there reports of K in the school after the SZ incident? Was SZ one of the men associated with the white truck where “Kyron saw it all and was involved”? I know of no public information to answer these questions.
I see I repeated myself, sorry.
Phones lack F5.
@Troll Lite. MCSO has looked much worse than inept dating to years before Kyron based on their Sheriffs many problems requiring resignation or retirement, their rank & files many problems, and their own internal command structure & rotation, as well as the absence of a dedicated trained promotion-based detective unit. If you’d been reading here long, you’d know this was evidenced by internal investigations, law suits, press accounts of personnel departures, statements of their own employees ranging from student intern papers to events personnel speak at. I don’t see where Staton has gone after internal reform. About all he’s quoted on is the budget. It’s probably because he was “junior” when running for Office that powers put him up for the job so the Union could continue to hold real power.
@erose says:
September 4, 2013 at 3:00 am
Y’all are pretty nonchalant. just getting off the floor.
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Me TOOO! This is a very good thing IMO!
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
Troll lite says:
September 3, 2013 at 9:57 pm
(snipped)
Kyron gets nothing out of blind faith leading an investigation down the wrong path.
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Amen.
Truer words..
B
T. Ruth says:
September 4, 2013 at 12:10 am
SNIP:
@Blink
Are you saying that there is also a witness who Kyron *outside the building* after this witness’s account?
yes.
B
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Was Kyron seen by a bus driver(s)? Is this why Kaine thanked them?
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-1213-one_week_after_disappearance_kyrons_family_speaks.html
“We want to thank the community, the parents, the children, the bus drivers and all of those who are being interviewed,” Kaine Horman said. “We as the family know how difficult and stressful this is, but your memories and statements can help us find Kyron.”
I like Blink’s cooking analogies–”ripe” & “when the straw comes out clean”.
family checking if dinner is ready doesn’t advance a gourmet chef’s preoccupations.
I try hard to be patient because I can’t hasten the dish. Sometimes I fail.
About Part 2, Boys in Blue…I thought it was on Traverso/steroids etc.
Now it seems there’s some Herron/O’Donnell history.
I remain eager for Part 2.
Perhaps DDS feels freed by grand jury behind her,
but if she reads or posts on blogs her risk is
she’ll become as stuck on June 4 and immediate
aftermath as Desiree. However, she was reasonably
seeking objective info (Court docs). Since she’ll undoubtedly
be called in the divorce, silence is the better part of valour as she
no doubt knows.
We interrupt this post to bring you:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/
Grad a sanka
B
[...] Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation. [...]
Rose says:
September 3, 2013 at 10:21 pm
@amy’s. my opinion is Houze sent a letter to TY’s employer after the I’m a Detective & Terri did it thing saying if he continued to couple his Medford job title with TMH guilt announcement Bad Things Would Happen via suit
And Tony got assigned missing cars & paid attention
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brilliant point! This is very likely! Wish I’d thought of it.
quick, everybody, go read Blink’s interview with dede spicier!
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/#more-6922
Rose says:
September 4, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Rose says,
Perhaps DDS feels freed by grand jury behind her,
but if she reads or posts on blogs her risk is
she’ll become as stuck on June 4 and immediate
aftermath as Desiree. However, she was reasonably
seeking objective info (Court docs). Since she’ll undoubtedly
be called in the divorce, silence is the better part of valour as she
no doubt knows.
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I agree, Rose, but the horse has already left the barn, if you will.
It is my understanding DeDe Spicher’s counsel, Chad Stavley, is going to be providing a press release.
And lol Grace at the horse has left the barn.
B
We interrupt this post to bring you:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/
Grad a sanka
B
Thanks, Blink!
There comes a point when being silent only hurts yourself. And the person you are being silent to protect gets to be the pure and innocent party.
And you (DDS) end up really getting your name trashed.
Good for you DDS, and also for being brave enough to use your real name. Gpd bless little Kyron and all those who advocate for him.
@GraceintheHills says:September 4, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Rose says:September 4, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Rose says,
Perhaps DDS feels freed by grand jury behind her,
but if she reads or posts on blogs her risk is
she’ll become as stuck on June 4 and immediate
aftermath as Desiree.
RedRose says:
September 4, 2013 at 8:55 pm
There comes a point when being silent only hurts yourself. And the person you are being silent to protect gets to be the pure and innocent party.
And you (DDS) end up really getting your name trashed.
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Are you talking about Terri? that protecting Terri lets her be pure and innocent? Terri’s life has been destroyed and her daughter taken away. not my picture of being perceived pure and innocent. It seems to me from the interview that dede wasn’t protecting Terri, she simply didn’t know anything about Kyron’s disappearance and doesn’t believe Terri does either. Dede was never silent, she repeated her story, the same story, over and over but they wouldn’t believe her.
RedRose says:
September 4, 2013 at 8:55 pm
There comes a point when being silent only hurts yourself. And the person you are being silent to protect gets to be the pure and innocent party.
And you (DDS) end up really getting your name trashed.
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Silent
Not only did DeDe tell LE everything she knew she even went so far as to tell her story People Magazine(a national magazine) I would not call that silence. Some folks just refuse to listen to anything that goes against ideas about things that they have pre decided.
“There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck.”
Hard to believe this is the first we’re all hearing of this “man” that wanted Kyron to go to his truck. This should have been the focus all along. Please tell me that LE is and has been diligently following up on this and all of the witnesses that were privy to this exchange?
@Jack,
if they were following up on this, why did they take Terri’s daughter away from her, make sure she was destitute without access to family assets, fan the flames of public hatred so she cannot be employed. I would like to believe they are pursuing this man but there is no excuse for what they have done to Terri, and from dede’s account, what they have done to dede.
re “I would have my attorney on the horn with the DA and Chief Staton demanding to know what else I had been lied to about”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/comment-page-3/#comments
Here is a major part of the investigation’s problems, neither bio has had an attorney for the investigation or for liaison with DA/MCSO Qs and briefings, tho we’ve urged it here for years. I aleays thought Kaine too frugal & controlling & Desired too poor perhaps, & reliant on Tony. Or maybe they just feared an attorney would signal guilt to mcso.
I do not believe, without a new retainer agreement & deposit for this other type of legal work, ER represents DY wrt the investigation.
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re “It was Terri’s counsel who advised she cut off contact- not DeDe’s call. B”
This is absolutely the type of boundary-setter DY needs stat imo.
It has been TMH’s compliance with Houze’ limit-setting alone for the last 3 years that attests to her mental stability under exceptionally emotionally trying circumstances. I do feel hers are as trying as Desiree’s, for Kiara is fully under the control of a man she felt had previously lacked minimal capacity to nurture Kiara.
And, Imo Kaine owed her much better.
—at Mags. I imagine if told of the latest Sting Stavely would’ve picked up the phone, called Staton, and said wtf are the dynamic duo up to now, and they’d be caught red-handed, maybe even pulled from case. Imo this was their brainstorm not cleared with muckety-mucks above.
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@sam h re “… the ones refusing depositions are the bios and le. that is factual….” clap clap
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my concern: coming from Sister’s latest outpouring of emotion on gofundme (not linking; you know where it is):
“My family is still stuck on that day”
Uses the same language as Desiree on TV post-search.
I’m sorry, this is just my lay opinion. In particular after seeing Desiree’s affect on the single tv station showing pre & post interview fully (now there’s a photojournalist) DY is more than desperate. There are other D words. There is either an adjustment reaction wholly impacting her judgment, or worse.
I have felt her ideation reflection circle not in her best interests, and she needs a strong protector.
Now, based on Kelley’s statement, at a minimum this family imo needs some sort of family therapy to process this loss, and get to a higher level of functioning, and I don’t mean with Tony.
As it stands, they are full steam ahead on fundraising for more searches, having made that their new North Star. That, of course, tightens Herron’s control of her.
I mean if this family of origin & DY were good to go without an outside strong
Limit-Setter-In-Chief (the type Terri has), she would not have had 2 divorces– losses of custody to both males, & a personal story of substance resulting in kidney failure, & depression.
She presents (on TV) with the latter now, and what Limit Setter will ensure she does not become a danger to herself or others? She needs such a person in her life.
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wrt “other theories”:
“Young sat side-by-side with the prosecution team through out the two trials…”
Now maybe Young exaggerated & he was not physically at DA’s table. But maybe he was, or was there enough thru 2 trials, testifying & in the Courtroom, to be a red flag to a bull family who lost their son, and paid whoever that would pass, a professional, to ensure he too lost the only child in his life. And, maybe believing Terri did it salves & saves the conscience from other possibilities:
http://www.ktvl.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/ktvl_vid_6491.shtml?wap=0
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btw, A+ in non-violent communication.
I completely agree that if the parents had individual representation of the criminal variety this case would not be where it is today. Feels weird to say that, but not so much.
B
Maybe Kaine could go hire Stavely to be his new DA/MCSO liaison.
The man is up to snuff on investigation & its participants,
& he has given unfailingly good advice to one client
@Rose,
you are assuming that D and K are what they pretend to be on camera. It appears to me they have achieved exactly what they wanted: D is a celebrity with money coming in from donations and an automatic press conference every time she does anything. K has sole custody of Kiara and family assets as well as a foundation that allows him to take donations with complete discretion as to use. I don’t believe they are naive. They have achieved exactly what they want. It’s not an attorney problem but personal motivation.
LE/DA has backed both up and used them to convey accusatory info about Terri to the public. D and K are in a winning situation. Do they care what happened to Kyron? From their behavior it does not appear so. The actions of K and D have nothing to do with Kyron, only their own self interest. IMO the same for LE. Nothing any of them have done helps find Kyron.
Thanks for D Pretzer cue, but will Boys in Blue debut at Box Office today?
@grasshopper. My belief about every adult family member of Kyron is trust but verify, including TH.
I personally see nothing in any of them that is out of normal for situation that any other parent wouldn’t do or
feel. Kaine’s divorce desire no doubt preexisted, & he capitalized. But that is human nature
& his right.
The problem lies in their flexibility to shift courses: ie, when you are stuck on June 4 & the
help you think you’ve gotten isn’t working. Or LE is stuck
on one theory after 3 years, or a dry well of an investigative course.
Or when you hire a lawyer who says her raison d’etre is I just want to help LE.
Well, at least KH changed that one.
[...] They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding. It never made any sense to me [...]
Terry paid her attorney a rather large retainer fee ($300K+, from what I understand. Has anyone revealed where the money came from?
Practical suggestions , For what it’s worth , people are looking for a OR FAPA Restraining Order , my colleague filled out and faxed a blank version here
https://goo.gl/iFg8wf.