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Last Week’s Meet And Greet
On Tuesday July 30th, the attorneys representing Terri Moulton Horman, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young attended a series of case hearings. Not held in chambers as announced, but public guests were barred.
On the docket- Desiree Young’s “stay” status of the $10 million dollar civil tort action brought against Terri Horman and the dissolution (divorce and custody) litigation brought by Kaine Horman, Terri’s estranged husband. Until July 26th, there were additional hearings and status conferences scheduled for the recently renewed Freedom From Abuse and Protection Act (FAPA) motion to contest and compel depositions in the restraining order prohibiting Terri Horman from contact with the couple’s daughter Kiara, now 5 years old. Horman has not seen her daughter since June 2010 despite several attempts through counsel to arrange parenting time. Engel, one of the attorneys representing Kaine Horman, argues that the FAPA case is consolidated with the divorce action, and therefore stayed.
Peter Bunch, counsel for Terri Horman, argues that there is no consolidation order.
Non attorney’s still do not understand how the initial proceeding to renew the FAPA order occurred when the plaintiff failed to file the required motion and accompanying affidavits in advance as required, or even serve the respondent’s attorneys until ordered to do so by Judge Henry Kantor once the hearing commenced. Kantor ordered the renewal anyway. I will let the goodly Oregon bar members weigh in on that anomaly.
That was then. This is now.
As of July 31st, the FAPA restraining order was expired and a civil no contact order was put in its place. The dissolution matter (divorce) stay has been lifted and Desiree Young announced she was instructing her attorney’s to withdraw the $10 million dollar suit financed by public donations.
On the same front steps where Atty Rosenthal announced that they were launching the suit to peel the onion that is to include law enforcement, and to “make Terri Horman talk” was withdrawn in similar fashion.
However, on this occasion, Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill was not spotted on the steps observing. Rosenthal and Young indicated the recent appearance and testimony of former object of compulsion to testify, DeDe Spicher, as well as information that the investigative case file necessary (their words) to prove their claims would not be forthcoming. In an article analyzing the suit appearing on BOC it was predicted that Ms. Young would face possible countersuit and associated fees should the suit continue as filed.
Attorneys for both Kaine and Terri appeared before Multnomah County Circuit Family law Judge Susan Svetkey on August 1, 2013. Judge Svetkey is Houze’s wife. The docket information for that hearing has not yet been entered into the file as of this publication.
The only comment about the withdrawal of the civil tort action by Stephen Houze:
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
In recent interviews, Kaine Horman has intimated that his wife has expressed her desire to help find Kyron, or at least contribute to excluding herself as a possible suspect. He also admitted that he no longer has any communication with Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother. He sometimes wonders what law enforcement is actually doing on his son’s case. This is a firm departure from how Mr. Horman initially retained his six figure attorney Laura Rackner of Gearing, Rackner, and Engel & McGrath. Ms. Rackner appears to have promulgated her duties of late to her partner, Brett Engel.
This all seemed to start when formidable and well known tort Attorney Mark Wagner came out of retirement to appear as counsel for Terri Horman. Wagner and Rackner know each other, and Rackner is no stranger to LE –based dissolution entanglements.
In fact, Wagner represented her and her previous firm successfully.
Bagel Finagle
Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner is no stranger to law enforcement infused litigation. She is a former prosecutor for Oregon’s department of Justice, The U.S. Department of Justice, and Office of Chief Counsel. Ms. Rackner has specificity in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) casework.
Born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Laura received her B.S. in 1979 and her J.D. in 1984, both from the University of Oregon.
Prior to entering private practice, Laura served as deputy district attorney in the Marion County District Attorney’s Office; assistant attorney general in the Oregon Department of Justice; and on the staff of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Chief Counsel, Drug Enforcement Administration.
Record Scratch.
Martin Rob Cagan, The bagel king and according to him, a supreme target of a police shakedown at the hands of his former spouse’s attorneys was the litigious sort.
In fact, this may be how Atty Wagner decides to come out of retirement and become part of Terri Horman’s defense team while the civil suit was active.
Wagner’s firm represented Ms. Rackner in a suit filed by Rob Cagan in which he sued the Dueshete Police Department, A partner in the firm representing Caroleen Vanhoomissen, the suit (or ramblings of a very angry divorcee) alleges that the firm and its lawyers facilitated the difficulties of Mr. Cagan utilizing law enforcement sources directly by the attorneys was dismissed.
Ms. Vanhoomissen, the sister of Judge Vanhoomissen is also the owner of a horse farm in Bend, Oregon. Blinkoncrime was unable to verify if it was the Bend horse farm searched in the early days of the investigation for Kyron.
Attorney Rackner’s prior working relationship with the DEA, the very agency that supplied the undercover officer in the failed sting involving Horman landscaper Rudy Sanchez begs the question- Did Rackner use her contacts and/or credentials to facilitate a surreptitious ruse to gain favor for her client in anticipation of his wife’s potential arrest?
Kaine is on record that law enforcement informed him they had probable cause to arrest Terri. What is not on record, is what came first- the referral to Rackner.
I just want to do what I can to help law enforcement
Seems like an odd comment coming from a family attorney with a background as a prosecutor working with the DEA, which agency subsequently becomes involved in the case- or initially led to her representation- the chicken or the egg facts remain unclear.
The ex parte and originally sealed restraining order did not exclude Terri Horman from the marital home. Was this an oversight of a very seasoned family attorney or was the basis of the now defunct restraining order as provided to Kaine Horman and Laura Rackner by law enforcement effectively invalidated by Terri Horman calling 911?
Is the reason that Atty Engel seems to have taken over representation of Kaine Horman due to the fact that these actions could render Ms. Rackner a witness in her client’s case as opposed to his Attorney?
In the motions and subsequent hearing scheduled for July 30th, the only available arguments outside of the parties agreement is to contest the basis for the FAPA order- or, the allegation Kaine Horman has made within his affidavits more than once, that his wife tried to hire “our landscaper” to kill him, and that she is being investigated for “violent crimes.”
The outcome?
The order was converted to a civil no-contact order which has not yet been added to the file for public review.
Desiree and Kaine’s respective camps both claimed “protecting the integrity of the investigation” was their only interest although the ONLY 2 witnesses who were summoned for deposition by Terri Horman’s lawyers were- the lead investigator of Kyron’s investigation for 18 months- Bobby John O’Donnell and Kaine Horman.
Back To School
Skyline School, the International Baccalaureate candidate who announced the IB open house format weeks earlier via take home handouts to its students and also by displaying the event on its marquis has never been declared a crime scene. Although in nearly every legal support brief or news coverage article Terri Horman was dubbed “the last person to be seen with Kyron Horman” or more recently by Desiree Young as “Kyron was last seen by someone who cared about him at 8:45 am” absolutely no witness account or Science Fair insider was known publicly to dispute such accounts.
Until now.
“Once I learned all that was going on that same day, in that same school, I did not understand why I was being told that Terri Horman was the suspect, and one other person… It never made sense to me that they knew Kyron was seen with someone else besides his stepmother after she left, that they seemed to not even consider another theory.” (*Editor’s Note*- parts of the source’s quote have been redacted as they would reveal identity of witnesses in an ongoing criminal investigation)
Electric Slide?
Sometime after Terri Horman left the school with her daughter Kiara in tow, she was captured on store video prior to Kyron’s exit from Skyline School. It is believed Kyron was last seen between 9:05 and 9:20 AM.
The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.
(Editor’s Note: It is believed that Desiree and Kaine’s comments about concern that instruction they gave him last year about listening to staff “came back to haunt them.” They have never acknowledged they were told about this witness account but a source close to www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed they were informed but not given a witness description.
www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed the EXIF data on the image includes the timestamp of June 4 2010 at 8:43AM PST.
Backstory OR Backdrop?
Among the peers of Kyron Horman in attendance on June 4th, were some children whose parents may have been granted access via the open house format, although documents filed with the school and LE would preclude the parents from removing them.
In fact, the mother of a chief witness in this case was arrested that very day for attempting to fill a script that did not belong to her, in a pharmacy that Terri Horman allegedly also visited that morning.
Another child whose parents lost custody due to very long histories with substance abuse and associated criminal behavior had the additional possible misfortune of closely resembling both Kaine and Terri Horman.
It is unknown whether either parent took the opportunity to visit the school that day, but they were not included on the published list. While barred legally from removing their child from the school they could not be barred from a publicly announced invitational. There was no ID checks or sign-in sheets for non-volunteer guests.
In an unrelated twist, the child’s Father was found deceased in front of a Portland residence in April 2012. The name of the child and Kyron’s schoolmate, guardians and parents are being intentionally withheld for this article.
Sovereignty In lieu Of..
Among the many unanswered questions in Kyron’s disappearance: Why hasn’t the school been held accountable? He disappeared on their watch- with a concise standard of care duty and plan.
What really happened?
There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck. There is no dispute that Kyron was last seen at Skyline School. There is no dispute that both Kyron’s parents expressed concern that last year’s discipline involving instruction on being a better listener may have come back to haunt them. They said so.
What may be in dispute, for sure, is how accurate the list of attendees at the Skyline School of June 4th, 2010 is.
As an example, one witness told Editor In Chief, S. Christina Stoy that a young male former student said hello to Susan Hall and when asked by a parent who the lad was a few days later, she said she was not sure. He is NOT on the list.
When another parent subsequently asked Ms. Hall who the student was following Kyron’s disappearance to verify he was on the published list- she responded she could not remember. Ms. Hall was the Skyline Administrative staff who contacted 911 upon speaking to Terri Horman and learning Kyron was not on the bus. Hall subsequently contacted Desiree Young. She did this while the Horman’s were on their way back to the school to see if Kyron might have thought he was being picked up that day as opposed to riding the bus or some other sort of snafu.
According to the MCSO, the school records that could assist the investigation were never requested to be preserved by investigators and as a result were deleted.
So why was the Skyline School never named as a defendant in the previously pending litigation filed by Kyron’s mother Desiree Young?
The reason may lie in the recreational designation utilized on June 4th, 2010.
According to the National Policy and Legal Analysis Network (napl) it may be a simple question of whether Kyron disappeared during the “recreational” portion of the program.
Napl’s guidance to lawyer’s advising Oregon schools can be read here. Although the overall plan is relative to an obesity initiative, it would include research and advice on any school recreational or regularly scheduled event. Please tell me Cogen does not factor into this.
The following are excerpts from the report:
…”Absent special liability protection, school districts and other providers of recreational facilities have the legal duty to take reasonable precautions to prevent injury. What is reasonable is very context specific and depends on many things: most important, the nature of the harm, the difficulty of preventing it, and generally accepted standards in the management of recreational facilities…”
…” The only immunity Oregon grants to public bodies, which include school districts,2 is discretionary government immunity.3 Discretionary government immunity applies to choices “among alternative public policies by persons to whom responsibility for such policies have been delegated.”4 To fall under the protection of this doctrine, Oregon courts have said, the choice must result from the exercise of judgment and involve a public policy or nonroutine day-to-day activity.
…” In summary, Oregon immunizes schools for policy choices its officials make, but it holds schools liable for breaches of duty that occur in carrying out those policy choices…”
…” The recreational user statute should therefore provide strong protection to Oregon schools seeking to avoid liability arising from after-hours outdoor recreational programs on school grounds. Applying this statute to indoor recreational activities, however, is much riskier, although the case law does not preclude such a strategy.
Regular School Day- Changes Things
…” In Oregon, schools owe students a duty to “supervise at all times the conduct of children on school grounds and to enforce those rules and regulations necessary to their protection. . . . The standard of care imposed upon school personnel in carrying out the duty to supervise the conduct of students is that degree of care which a person of ordinary prudence, charged with comparable duties, would exercise under the same circumstances.”37
Is the issue of liability to Skyline School relegated to what time Kyron was abducted, presuming he was abducted, as is believed?
Very possibly.
As we know, the school opened early the morning of June 4th, 2010, as was displayed on the school’s marquis at least 2 weeks prior. Without particular knowledge of when the suspect responsible for Kyron’s disappearance entered the school, and under what auspice, one is left to the timeline of Kyron’s activities as juxtaposed with the start of the school day. As a regular standard of care, one could argue that begins with a student getting on the bus, if a passenger, on their regular route. What if a bus passenger is attending the “event” outside of the bus transportation? Admittedly, it seems moot inasmuch as neither one of Kyron’s parents have filed suit against the school or named them as having any negligence or liability. That said, it remains a possibility in the event Kyron is found.
There is no question Kyron was seen after 8:45AM- which is the time that a regularly scheduled bus arrives- which would ring the bell, so to speak, on the normal school day.
To be Continued:
Roid Noise And The Boys In Blue- Publishing Thursday August 8. Preview Discussion Tonight on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW.
Ellie Sanders contributed research to this report.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
Image retouching courtesy of Klaasend
Previous Coverage:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/
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Catherine Garvin says:
August 11, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Greetings. The questions I have are as follows:
1. Why did Kaine elect to drive to the school to look for Kyron on June 4, 2010 when he didn’t ride the bus home instead of just calling the police 911 himself?
[At the time, he was still hopeful that Kyron had missed the bus, or was waiting for a ride, or got on a different bus, or went home with a friend, or any number of things that can happen when a child is missing.]
2. Why was it Ms. Hall the school front desk was left with the duty to call 911 and not Kaine?
[If she was, I would say she was the first person to realize f Kyron was not on his bus, and not on any other bus and not at the school, then it was time to notify police.]
3. It’s cool the way you put all this together however what is missing is where was Kaine between 8:45 and 1:p.m.-ish. Was Kaine at work or not? If he wasn’t at work where was he during those hours and why did he make it a big point to be at the bus stop with Terri and the baby waiting for Kyron. I don’t buy the celebration story to go get ice cream…that is sour milk to me.
[Good questions]
4. Why was Kaine driving Terri’s car the mustang that day?
[We've been told Terri wanted the truck. Did he have another choice?]
5. What, who, when, where and how has no one followed up on the doctor appointment statement given by Mrs. Porter (Kyron’s second grade teacher)
[Wish we had the answer to that, too.]
6. Yes, the school would be at fault if they let Kyron leave school with his dad Kaine in the mustang for supposedly the doctor’s appointment without a written consent form signed as when, where, how and why Kyron would leave and return to school.
[The school was responsible for Kyron, the moment they were responsible for the hoards of kids that came in on the buses, without parents. I think we were told 8:35 buses started showing up.]
7. Kaine know as much or more than Terri Horman about Kyron’s disappearance, period.
[He might know as much, or more, and they both could know next to nothing.]
What do you think?
[I think the big picture here is that for 3 yrs it was known to the school, le and the parents that Kyron did not leave the school with TH, despite leaving the general public with that impression. Because they are convinced TH had something to do with this, they wanted to start with TH and work their way back towards SZ. People have speculated about KH, and frankly, who knows. But because we are of limited knowledge, we have to consider, open our minds to the possibility that SZ is not on our cast of characters list, if you will.
What I take Blink to be saying here, and she has been saying it since f o r e v e r, it that the investigation needs to start at the scene of the crime, at the school, and see where that leads, not take TH (or KH or anyone else) and deem them the perp, and work backwards. Why LE, the school and especially the parents can't see this is baffling to those of us who do.] JMO
hi, TRuth whom I rely on for valuable thoughts.
We are like accident scene witnesses who all see/interpret a little dif.
Imo the person the witness thought SZ was referring to was a different child than Kyron
initially til the child looked up. That’s why the person referred to, a child’s name,
was “(edited)” out of the quote imo. What this points out is how
similar some of these very young boys looked to school adults who knew them if
you were not seeing his face itself.
some observations:
hehe i read alot, then post too much, sorry! and thanks for no one complaining about my typos, and lack of pasting links. i always wanted a red headed secretary but now am thinking bruenette! all those refs of red heads male and female in this case has definately changed my thinkin lol
@ troll, your post is almost identical to one made here in june 2010. i do guess in this case i have no training or skills in this area. your post seems to be just to pizz off blink, if not for that people might have given some credence to your post. it seemed to me even back in the origonal post, that the posters intent then was to just put forth the same allegations that were said about tmh but inserting kaines name instead to make a point. their comment wassnt rude though.
about kaines allegations in r/o divorce pettition: he went so fast from standing by terri to the opposite tact that at first i read it as his attempt to discredit tmh for financials in the divorce. he started those allegations iir when tmh lawyer said something about her having no income. i read his statements as the common bs, whats that big word that polititions say when they dont want to say “lied” obsafucation whatever. so i figured he made a bunch of things up to either keep his house kid and checkbook, or at le’s urging to put pressure on her. imo, he was then stuck because it painted him as a co-sleezy parent or a dont care parent, his knowing and letting it go on so long. i believe that is when the gulf widened between kaine and desiree. i started to actually believe some of his allegations then, because he didnt seem to convince desiree, “oh i’m just sayin all that to find kyron, didnt really happen!” that made me believe some of his allegations but also caused me to picture him on the couch right beside her tossing them cold ones back. he could have put kiara to bed at a decent hour himself for instance…could have done alot of things a “primary caregiver” would have done. in the beginning of him “caring for kyron” since his birth, it seems his duty was always to find someone to take care of him, anyone except desiree.. just my opinions.
@Cbickel, I remember you and some others who are posting recently. It is always good to hear what people are thinking, though I know many people read and at times have nothing to post. I agree about the increase in human trafficking busts. There was also the steroid busts, at the time and the teachers, and others being busted with kiddie porn on their computers. Seems all of these have the potential to tie into the case.
venetia contributed this url & I note it also has Neighbor’s
comment on the 2 rooms with electrical displays
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9068.915;wap2
I wonder if there was any volunteer mentor input with kids doing electrical projects?
Seems like there’s an awfully lot of them for your average smallschool sci fair.
Maybe a middler teacher assigned the subject due to the solar work
corection, last post should have read @ troll and catherine garvin
@T.Ruth and all.
Ok. I’ll bite. The following is my take on the exit in question. Hopefully, one way or the other we can accept this as the exit or eliminate it.
Skyline School floor plan with guess at the “exit”:
http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m524/quizzi1/Skyline%20School/SkylineClassroomsExit_zps003815e9.jpg
Skyline School overhead with guess at the “exit” (original image credit to Cranky):
http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m524/quizzi1/Skyline%20School/866Kyr10a_zps4663930f.jpg
Cranky’s images of Skyline School and other case related places are will worth looking through again. Lots of images of the school inside and out, especially of the west side of the school (soccer field area) and the back courtyard. Thank you Cranky and thanks to those locals who submitted images to Cranky.
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/library/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas?sort=6&page=1
Would like to apolly to all for being behind today- major developments in a different case. Again, I am here, but sliced a bit thin, like I would LIKE, lol.
B
Captn Gates 6/7 & 8/11/10
http://m296.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/bringyouhomebuddy.jpg.html?o=596
http://m296.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/81110presser.jpg.html?o=181
Under Staton, Gates’ trajectory was to zip right up to 1 of 3 Chief Deputies (like Shults who hunkered down in Horman home)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multnomah_County_Sheriff's_Office
In 2/11, he was a Community Resource Deputy
http://www3.multco.us/budgetwebFY12All/PDF/60077-MINT.pdf
A Lt in 3/3/11 http://www.ci.troutdale.or.us/police/documents/packets/20110303.pdf
4/07 (3+ yrs preabduction)
Gates is a Lt having to do with SAR coordination & volunteers (under Guisto).
whoo. Gates rose from Sgt to Lt between Jan 07 & Apr 07:
http://media.portland.indymedia (dot) org/media/2007/01/351633.pdf
guess he did good when he testified to DOJ.
5/17/07 Lt Gates has become mcso Public Information Officer
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may172007/gresham_graffiti_51707.php
Well this would be a volunteer Gates would have supervised while Gates was Lt for SAR:
http://www.kptv.com/story/15376529/search-and-rescue-volunteer-arrested?clienttype=generic&smartdevicecgbypass
In Apr 2010, Gates headed Patrol
http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/aspnet/BudgetChair/PDF/Chair/60063A-CHAIR.pdf
Under Skipper, then Staton,
Moore & Monty rule;
Elliott drools—
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/05/whistle-blowing_lieutenant_sue.html
Moving on.
Did Traverso (the roid stoolie on cops & firefighters of early 2010),
whom Venetia pointed out drove trucks from Bakersfield (goodness knows what else he drove with the melons),
Have any young kinsfolks emrolled in Skyline, say the size of Kyron?
Well, I kept coming back here for Pt 3.
& going on to think steroids, cops,
and keeping potential stoolies
in line in 2010.
You take yr time.
It has just occurred to me Kaine was a HS football player
& therefore perhaps steroid susceptible.
Nothing in Terri’s hx pre-Kaine liaison predicts tho.
Thinking back to his postabduction weight-loss.
@vw comment re amber alert and what might have happened if ms mathews had talked to ms porter, i had a horrible thought that what if she did? what if that happened and that was the convo the kid in class referred to as the substitute comment that ms porter responded to with he is prob in the bathroom…
hopefully i am just overtired and my imagination is running wild.
re blinks delay in posting next installment- i hope she is not waiting for airline reservation to russia before posting lol.just kidding!
@rose, pumula dad was an apprentice electrician per monkeys page. i was looking at a recent post i made from “friend of the family” and noticed the name initials of kyrons friend is given as bp not tp and was wondering if that person that made that post made an error…or not.
my apoligies for my post @troll and cathrine, think i got two of my comments/posts combined, didnt mean to offend either of you.
Ah yes Traverso… Along with lots of other folks.
I wonder if Blink will discuss in her next post.
Waiting on pins and needles! Refreshing every hour lol
I asked about this before, think Blink said not so, but keep wondering — electricalcool one – pumula dad – apprentice electrician – would be familiar at school – then houseboat – Sauvie Island — thumping under houseboat or cadaver dogs alerting there …horman acquaintance with family because of sons as friends.
I think Blink also said no connection, but just wonder. Wouldn’t a parent be a non-threatening figure? Tanner’s grandmother let Tanner speak on TV, wondered if maybe the Grandmother had her own suspicions of the dad, and therefore let the boy give information.
@sam hawthorne says: August 12, 2013 at 9:04 pm
@rose, pumula dad was an apprentice electrician per monkeys page. i was looking at a recent post i made from “friend of the family” and noticed the name initials of kyrons friend is given as bp not tp and was wondering if that person that made that post made an error…or not.
have I made urls clear here over time that B Keefer has been PPS’ token-principal
on PPS Admin presentations to School Board; at Admin events; and now– as Negotiator for PPS Admin vis a vis Union http://feest.us/opos-general-meeting-pps-pat-contract-proposal-presentations-portland-or-06-30
his ticket was made while at Skyline.
and, even tho he was the king of lax policies & supervision.
my next question is who has been his PPS system mentor/protector.
imo it isn’t Mom the co-employee.
I’ve been stewing on this case non-stop since this newest edition and its revelations were published. I tried to find some of the old entries that intrigued me most and could not find them as there are thousands of entries.
What I’d like to convey is we must understand that LE has failed Kyron and all of us and the families of Skyline and Portland by too quickly assuming the “status quo” norm of it must be a family member. They were certainly encouraged by bio mom and step dad and quickly swayed bio dad to their side. It was an emotional time for all obviously and LE is supposed to scrutinize the family first, but their blinders shielded their view of very viable and obvious leads that should have been more thoroughly investigated.
It happens frequently…all over this nation. One true clue that LE was on the “TMH is the only one” train was when the DA paid for the initial RO filings that should have been paid by KH and his attorneys. I apologize for not providing the link but was unable to find it, but I promise you I verified that before when it was posted before accepting it as true. When does a DA pay for recording and filing fees in civil cases???? Only when the DA is using the civil case to further it’s own agenda, MOO!!! They could be right…but I truly believe they got it wrong this time. They got it wrong…They being MCSO, MC DA office, etc…all of them in the way this has been handled from minute #1, and certainly by eliminating SZ and the witness testimonies so quickly. They were looking only for information that supported their theory and were going “next” too quickly when they weren’t getting it…
In the local case of serial killer Daniel Blank, he was interviewed by LE immediately after his first murder because he was an employee of his first victim. However, because of the manner in which he tortured his first murder victim’s body (his boss) after he blungeoned him to death, LE profiled that to mean it was a very personal attack with a gunshot to the lower regions and up…they assumed it was the husband of one of the victim’s married mistresses. They were looking for that…and never considered the real killer a suspect because he did not fit their profile. Although there were notes made about Blank’s cagey demeanor and other clues that shoulda woulda coulda alerted LE to his guilt, “Daniel Blank” mechanic employee did not fit their profile assumptions. It took 6 more murder victims (who I had contact with or knew all personally) before he was finally captured. I remember being terrified as my husband worked nights and I was alone at night, and recently built a home down a very dark road in a new upscale subdivision that fit the serial killer’s profile to a “T”…I actually called LE twice to come investigate “noises”!! I’ve not done that before or since, but it was terrifying…we did not know who it was at the time. We just knew we had connections to the victims. Once we knew who it was, my husband had gone to school with him through the 8th grade and just being from the same town was the only real connection. Still ~ his MO was to cut telephone lines first to prevent victims from being able to call for help. The device for the alarms systems that set off the alarm if telephone service is interrupted was backordered to over 6 months when I inquired. Fortunately he was finally captured, but to think LE had him in their inquiry room and never considered him a suspect because he was “not” what they were looking for.
I truly believe the real testimony and witness accounts that could have led LE to the real perpetrator were dismissed all too easily since they were skimming the witnesses looking for accounts that only pointed to TMH.
But…it’s very painful and sad to just think, had LE not eliminated Daniel Blank so quickly that first time, maybe the rest of his victims lives would have been spared.
I feel the same about Kyron’s abductor…how many more like him will go missing? before LE realizes that profiling is a tool, not a rule.
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
Rose says:
August 12, 2013 at 11:13 pm
and, even tho he was the king of lax policies & supervision.
my next question is who has been his PPS system mentor/protector.
imo it isn’t Mom the co-employee.
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Good question Rose.
@SouthernMom says:
August 12, 2013 at 11:52 pm
OMG SouthernMom, scary, scary stuff! So glad you came out okay of that weird scenario of goings on, and still had the stamina and courage to share with us. I agree so entirely with this:
What I’d like to convey is we must understand that LE has failed Kyron and all of us and the families of Skyline and Portland by too quickly assuming the “status quo” norm of it must be a family member. They were certainly encouraged by bio mom and step dad and quickly swayed bio dad to their side. It was an emotional time for all obviously and LE is supposed to scrutinize the family first, but their blinders shielded their view of very viable and obvious leads that should have been more thoroughly investigated.
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I will add one more thing that bothers me and then probably off to bed soon, but this, this bothers me a lot. The first person to say Terri did it, was Officer Tony Young. Desiree said she had doubts, etc., but the first person IIRC, somebody please correct me if I’m wrong, to actually come out publicly and say it could be none other than Terri, was Tony Young. Does that not strike anyone else as a very strange thing for a cop to say?
Nelmel says:
August 11, 2013 at 12:25 am
Now more than ever I believe that SZ is someone who either has a grudge against KH, not TH, or, is a total stranger abduction.
Agreed. Nice to see you Nelmel.
B
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Thanks, Blink. Oh, I have several new bowls of spaghetti.
The teacher who gave a “nod” to approve Kyron’s trip out the door with the man, Ms. Matthews: Is it known as she was obviously questioned by LE that such questioning produced (somehow) this theory that “TH did it?”
What did LE hear from her that would lead them to conclude that TH was the person behind/responsible for Kron’s disappearance into thin air?
Under Skipper, then Staton,
Moore & Monty rule;
Elliott drools—
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/05/whistle-blowing_lieutenant_sue.html
@Rose. Read this awhile back. It should be on the 101 reading list for initiates into the workings of MCSO.
That and the Volunteer Jury findings of 2009-10. Then, a little late, the recent slapping of the hand by the Commission. Finally.
But Staton is nothing if not lucky. How was he to know Cogan would get spanked before he ever did?
One of these days there’s is going to be non-crony, or non-team-player (read NOT Maxine) that takes on this organization that has pilferred the taxpayer coffers for far too long.
As far as the case goes. It wasn’t Underthehill that spearheaded and tutored Bobbie,imo. At least not initially. That took some doing and the some real experience. Someone who could effectively keep perp Goldsmidt from being prosecuted and his files exempt from media releases, via foia.
Rose says:
August 12, 2013 at 4:40 pm
“venetia contributed this url & I note it also has Neighbor’s
comment on the 2 rooms with electrical displays”
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9068.915;wap2neighbor
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Thanks, Rose and venetia.
neighbor’s comments from the above SM’s link:
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neighbor
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #38 12/18/10 -
Reply #339 on: December 20, 2010, 04:27:44 PM
“Assuming that the statement of the “cool electrical display” is correct. Then assume it really was there, and that Ky was not told about something that wasn’t there …
- One classroom was dedicated to well done electrical displays. IIRC that was in CR209 or next doors to it.
– There was a small one in CR109 or CR110 in the basement”
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Blink,
Did Kyron, with TMH and babyK, see the electrical displays in Room 209 or the rooms on either side of 209 which are 207, 211?
correction:
I was wrong when I commented previous that Rooms 209 and 210 were in the short hallway with the door that leads to the back lot.
Rooms 215 and 217 are the ones in the short hallway.
Floor plans (yet again) for reference:
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/floorplanofSkylinecropped.jpg
@Truth
Can someone with some computer savy mark on one of the maps with an arrow or something the door SZ was seen entering the school and the door SZ was seen leaving the school with Kyron and upload a copy somewhere for us to see. I’d appreciate that immensely.
Hi. I was up at that school last weekend, before Blinks break. I still am confused. There is a “Boiler Door” that could lead to the steps that go down to the soccer field.
But there is no West DOOR that exits other than Kyron’s door.
@Rose….where do you see that door? And if it were toward the soccer field how could SZ exit that …..then walk north and around the building to the inner Playground area and his car?
The only other door for that wing opens to the playground/basketball area in the middle of the west wing.
I WAS assuming, last night, that the rooms in the basement were accessible to that door, with a hall between them and the door.
Unfortunately, the maps do not clearling indicated doorways.
And ONE DOOR was locked. Does anyone remember where that was?
sam hawthorne says: August 12, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Wow! Could have been, but I seriously hope not. Great pondering thoughts though.
imo if keefer got fired, retired or visably demoted it would look like an admission of guilt by pps. instead they have him in a position where he is not supervising kids. imo same goes for policy at le until there is a resolution, anything that could indicate mishandeling would foster investigations into how the case was handled. imo
any news on the hand? there were several cases of hands found in washington in the snohomish area some years back, maybe skykomish are, not sure which.
oregon sure doesnt release much info, hair, hands, DADs…2 missing children that went missing right before kyron that might be related to rs, prisoners with sanchez sanchez last names, etc etc etc
i was reading an old post on one of blinks articles here, wish i could remember posters name, i scrolled and rolled but it stuck with me still. a poster suggested that tmh sexted cook possibly thinking that it might be the last possible way to stay in contact with kiara at all, have relationship with good friend of kaines. was wondering if MockingBird Sings could weigh in on that. if tmh was innocent, le was accusing her, nationwide people suspected her, she was set up in a sting for soliciting murder, her marriage was over, she couldnt leave her house, what might she be thinking, doing?
quizzical says:
August 10, 2013 at 2:37 pm
(snipped)
2008-2009 (PDF Page 18)
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/sunnyside/files/school-sunnyside/Parent_Handbook_2008-Final.pdf
2010-2011 (PDF Page 18)
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/mskach/Parentand_StudentHandbook_2010-11.pdf
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quizzical, thank you for the above links of the classroom lists.
Room 106
Grades 6/7/8
Math/Science
Sort of interesting considering 106′s immediate location to Rooms 109/110 and its location to Kyron’s 213 right above.
Also, Room 106 is right by the “large” entrance on the west side (as opposed to the other 2 small doors which are each next to the left side of the windows of 109 and 110, respectively).
Floor plans (again):
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/floorplanofSkylinecropped.jpg
view #4
west side of school showing the 2 small doors and the large entrance
http://binged.it/13wMcMY
the fliers that were sent out asking if anyone had seen white truck or tmh around or near skyline school didnt say “any white truck” they said “white Ford F250″ IIR they were sent out on june 18.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96675419.html
published june 18 2010
flyers were sent out (with family support, incl tmh)
snip
“terri is the last known person to have seen Kyron alive before he disappeared, Gates said.”
When pressed by a reporters question…
Snip
“gates said he couldnt eliminate the possibility that Kyron was abducted by a stranger, but ‘the need for the public to be alarmed is very low’”
snip
about searchers “combing sauvie, WW newspaper, citing anonymous police sources, reported cell records show th was there june 4″
(that last part was in the katu story)
me thinks that report by ww reporter was not being part of the team. annoying reporter asking real questions and all!
http://Www.katu.com/news/local/95691389.html
June 6 2010
When asked by reporter about the stepmothers whereabouts response “stepmothers whereabouts are part of the investigation” cant comment
http://www.katu.com/news/local/958084.html
june 7 2010
snip
“…no indication monday that Kyron was kidnapped.”
http://Www.katu.com/news/local/196253939.html
June 14 2010
Offical search ending, turns to a criminal investigation
The article i already posted before this should come next, sorry
http://Www.katu.com/news/local/96675419.html
June 18 2010
Snip
“the need for the public to be alarmed is very low”
They were searching sauvie at that time related to tmh cell pings
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/Kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html
During news conf desiree was asked about the orig presser, (june 11) and the hug from terri
Snip
“young said she thought then that horman was involved.” “Mothers have instincts,” Young said, Mand unfortunately I had feelings about this when I got the phone call.”
http://www.nwcn.com/home/related/timeline-search-for-missing-kyran-horman-95787519.html
Tues, June 8 2010
Snip
Searchers look in area around sauvie for 4th consecutive day
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/Kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html
july 7 2010
This one i didnt think much of
Snip
Kaine said he was upset about 3erri occupying the family home, “Displacing a child for the comfort of an adult, i think we all have our opinions on how appropriate that is,” he said.
Me:
If terri is innocent and an unknown sz took kyron then the above statement reads: like so, we all accused
Terri privately and publicaly, i took the baby and moved out, helped le do a “sting” to pressure her her to crack, got a $100,000 lawyer, a restraining order and she should have just moved out of the house already, no questions asked, and my lawyer has made it so i dont have to give her a dime to live on either!
Sheesh, i am done.
this is the School Board member who co-presents with Keefer on the PPS contract offer to the Union to community groups (see url above where this duo did so). they go talk an hour, then the Union gets an hour talk. I see no reason for putting contract negotiations out to debate in front of minority groups, because it’s an internal matter, other than to put pressure on the Union. Imo Keefer has found an admin means to offset the costs of his failure to implement PPS safety policies at Skyline
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/board/850.htm
@Sam. the moment Matthews & room 109 witnesses were interviewed (hopefully Fri nite as to Matthews if Keefer & his dial-a-finger to staff worked at all), it should’ve been a criminal investigation.
it is unfortunate Desiree went on maternal
feelings rather than facts when she got that phone call
June 4, or she could’ve been kicking Keefer’s A. And told mcso
to go find that man who needed her son’s help.’
This smart phone GPS news video is incredibly scary and interesting!!Advise all to watch, especially if you have children.
http://kyeos.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/warning-if-you-take-photos-with-your-cell-phone/
@WPG etc.
Thanks for the repeat of the school HANDBOOK for 2008-09:
Snipped from p.8….School Safety:
“Only the main entrance and East door will be unlocked during school hours. All other doors will be locked or monitored, as required by our district’s security policy. Please assist us as you enter or exit the building and check to see that doors are closed securely. If you are in our building and notice indi viduals without an identification badge, please ask them to register in the office.”
Before and After
School Guidelines
Skyline School is unable to provide supervision for children arriving on school grounds prior to 8:35am or after 3:15pm. (K through 8) This includes before and after school hours, week- ends, holidays, and hours school is not in session. Please do not send students to school earlier than the 8:35am early arrival time or leave children after the dismissal times. The Portland Public Schools District is not responsible for incidents, accidents or injuries during UNSUPERVISED times.
snark….Nor is PPS responsible for ABDUCTIONS during UNsupervised times.
AND this is why by June 6th…thanks SAM….MCSO “can’t comment” on whether or not “step-mother’s whereabouts are part of the investigation”.
“ALL doors are required to be LOCKED except the Main and East side doors according to DISTRICT’s Security Police.”
I am STILL amazed that this school got away scott free.
BTW. Noone seems to know where that 2009-2010 handbook went to. Part of the “investigation”. Sheesh!
Thanks for the arrows Quizz showing the alleged exit of SZ with Kyron. That seems a long walk out in the open with a child to that access road.
I still am not sure where SZ supposedly entered the school, but if it was the back of that building, NW door I believe (bottom of page in this link where the steps go down to soccer field) then what would keep SZ from walking Kyron around the school right back passed the already been viewed flower beds to a waiting vehicle as opposed to using the much further away access road?
I’m still thinking that LE may have confused a witness’s sighting of Stenson’s truck with the Horman truck. I’m thinking isn’t it possible that Stenson’s white pickup was the only white pickup on that access road that morning. Isn’t it possible, that SZ walked Kyron around the building toward the back where a vehicle (not necessarily a truck) was waiting? Especially if that’s the door which he entered the building from in the first place. There is no fence or anything there right(?).
http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m524/quizzi1/Skyline%20School/866Kyr10a_zps4663930f.jpg
Here’s a link to the walk I think SZ would have been more likely to take, particularly if those windows had blinds that were closed that day. Right back to his vehicle, parked where it would be way more secluded than the access road. If this happened when B says it did, Stenson would have already been gone from the soccer field, so who would see this SZ and Kyron on this side of the school? (Thanks to the WS member who took these pictures.)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115171&page=5
Another photo of the path along that side of the school.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115171&page=5
oops, same link, but several pictures.
Gosh, I’m beginning to wonder if there even was a white pickup involved. Could the white pickup be a red herring. Desiree said Kyron was seen “by” a white pickup. Is it a vehicle next to a white pickup that we should have been looking for?
@TRuth. Sometimes Blink answers part of a Q & not all of a Q.
Imo he went in same door he went out.
One random event is SZ had no way to know, & it was unlikely,
there would be a mower on the field that day. But for the mower’s random
presence & use of access road, his was an ideal plan.
Entrance & exit on the one side out of view of rest of school &
the exterior foot traffic. However, Blink didn’t comment on where he was parked
& it could as easily have been at frontof SW lot.
Sometimes blink cannot be more specific even if she wanted to, lol. He did not exit the same door he came in. It is an emergency exit door, it has no way to access from the outside- only egress unless it was propped open, which it was not.
B
B
or to the NW rear as you suggest would be sensible.
Blink said if she commented on outside witnesses
(I guess the truck siting) it mite identify them. We can rest easy
there was at least one outside witness of Kyron with him.
But I don’t buy that 3 other people in the truck thing. Imo
this guy flies solo.
Many companies who do contract work purchase white pick-ups or other work vehicles. There are several reasons for this. Company names stand out against a white background. The white paint on vehicles is comprised of more coats to cover the primer over the metal and plastic body parts. This makes the paint last longer. And there is a climate advantage to white paint regarding summertime heat. Compared to a black vehicle, white paint will make a difference in the cab temperature of 22 degrees F.
Based on the above, it is not surprising that a lot of people use white pickup trucks or other white vehicles.
The real problem that created this situation is a school event that was not organized around safety for the children. The school did not immediately notify the parents of Kyron not being accounted for. LE and some other agencies were into some kind of situation where the parents were suspect in other activities in the community. This also included some things that had to do with the placement of proper personnel.
The person who took Kyron has experience in doing an abduction. The boldness of how he operated tells us this.
@truth
THANK YOU for that link to websleuths. Freefallsz’s post had the best picture I’ve seen. Clearly, yes, those two small doors are for the classrooms that go DIRECTLY out to the soccer field. We don’t know for SURE if those teachers had them open that day, do we? But Stenson’s comment about kids coming out could refer to those doors as well as the main door near Kyron’s room.
I totally agree, and I think Blink said initially that the hallway between the inner playground/basketball court and the room Kyron was seen in was the one SZ crossed to get into the room that he could see from the door. There is no fence in back of the school that prevents a car from coming around and parking in the center of the the paved playground area. In fact, that is where the handicapped access is to the school.
That’s where I envision his car, and a quick trip up those inner steps to his room, a quick trip down.
Yes, Stenson was very probably the only one on that access road. And his own WHITE pickup truck was probably the one witnesses saw.
Yes. Stenson would have been gone. But why put yourself in that position to take a little boy that far and risk his screaming. AND to put him in your car in view of cars on Skyline. 9am is still rush hour time.
I’m beginning to over-guess, and over-think. So i’m going to let this issue just rest for awhile.
I don’t know with certainty. If I missed your question I appolly.
B
I asked:
“Blink,
Did Kyron, with TMH and babyK, see the electrical displays in Room 209 or the rooms on either side of 209 which are 207, 211?”
Blink replies:
“I don’t know with certainty.”
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Thanks, Blink.
Thinking about what/who drew Kyron downstairs to Room 109 if all these other electrical exhibits were, per neighbor, in one of the rooms next to his.
According to MattShelby 2 teachers saw Kyron with TMH in rooms and thought they left together.
Adding to the mix is TP’s account of “around the same time” when TMH says she waves to Kyron at 8:45, that he, TP, had an exchange with Kyron.
There’s a gap between 8:45 and the witness accounts putting Kyron missing between 9:05 and 9:20, as to where Kyron was in that gap of time.
@Blink. Was SZ witnessed going into
Skyline & exiting Skyline via
2 separate doors?
entry and exit were different doors, correct.
B
@ wpg. yep.
You know what I bet, just speculation.
Porter didn’t really “organize” her groups.
maybe not enough escort volunteers as regulars
like Terri left. And a paraeducator & the Resource were
absent. Perhaps one or both were regular inclusion
co-teachers in her room and their absence surprized her.
Anyway, I can see her & her
“sub” (one volunteer) getting a general gist of the kids present,
then saying, OK if you saw this floor already, you may go see the
downstairs rooms–there’s electrical in 109. So Porter generally keeps
track of kids on top floor & “sub” generally follows kids heading down
stairs. I can see my son’s 2nd grade teacher diving her room that way.
This seems to me a casual hour of chaos, not well organized as to group
leaders.
It is easiest to believe Kyron went on to his room as expected.
But if he was not put into a secure small group with an adult,
there’s no reason to believe any other room child was either.
All we know is 2 adults were “watching out for”
(I say that loosely wrt Porter) all children in the room.
I believe in Terri’s “chaos” comment.