Kyron Horman Exclusive Report: New Suspect And Botched Investigation Rumors Abound- Terri Horman Prepares To Fight For Couples Daughter Following Seclusion
If you are reading this and have followed the Kyron Homan disappearance coverage since he vanished from Skyline School on June 4th 2010, you know my coverage and commentary has focused on the macro analysis of the case details- both publicly available and via developed sources. This report contains newly released information known to law enforcement. It’s contents, to include reader commentary and moderation response, may not be reproduced or copied without express written consent by it’s author in accordance with applicable copyright law.
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Last Week’s Meet And Greet
On Tuesday July 30th, the attorneys representing Terri Moulton Horman, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young attended a series of case hearings. Not held in chambers as announced, but public guests were barred.
On the docket- Desiree Young’s “stay” status of the $10 million dollar civil tort action brought against Terri Horman and the dissolution (divorce and custody) litigation brought by Kaine Horman, Terri’s estranged husband. Until July 26th, there were additional hearings and status conferences scheduled for the recently renewed Freedom From Abuse and Protection Act (FAPA) motion to contest and compel depositions in the restraining order prohibiting Terri Horman from contact with the couple’s daughter Kiara, now 5 years old. Horman has not seen her daughter since June 2010 despite several attempts through counsel to arrange parenting time. Engel, one of the attorneys representing Kaine Horman, argues that the FAPA case is consolidated with the divorce action, and therefore stayed.
Peter Bunch, counsel for Terri Horman, argues that there is no consolidation order.
Non attorney’s still do not understand how the initial proceeding to renew the FAPA order occurred when the plaintiff failed to file the required motion and accompanying affidavits in advance as required, or even serve the respondent’s attorneys until ordered to do so by Judge Henry Kantor once the hearing commenced. Kantor ordered the renewal anyway. I will let the goodly Oregon bar members weigh in on that anomaly.
That was then. This is now.
As of July 31st, the FAPA restraining order was expired and a civil no contact order was put in its place. The dissolution matter (divorce) stay has been lifted and Desiree Young announced she was instructing her attorney’s to withdraw the $10 million dollar suit financed by public donations.
On the same front steps where Atty Rosenthal announced that they were launching the suit to peel the onion that is to include law enforcement, and to “make Terri Horman talk” was withdrawn in similar fashion.
However, on this occasion, Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill was not spotted on the steps observing. Rosenthal and Young indicated the recent appearance and testimony of former object of compulsion to testify, DeDe Spicher, as well as information that the investigative case file necessary (their words) to prove their claims would not be forthcoming. In an article analyzing the suit appearing on BOC it was predicted that Ms. Young would face possible countersuit and associated fees should the suit continue as filed.
Attorneys for both Kaine and Terri appeared before Multnomah County Circuit Family law Judge Susan Svetkey on August 1, 2013. Judge Svetkey is Houze’s wife. The docket information for that hearing has not yet been entered into the file as of this publication.
The only comment about the withdrawal of the civil tort action by Stephen Houze:
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
In recent interviews, Kaine Horman has intimated that his wife has expressed her desire to help find Kyron, or at least contribute to excluding herself as a possible suspect. He also admitted that he no longer has any communication with Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother. He sometimes wonders what law enforcement is actually doing on his son’s case. This is a firm departure from how Mr. Horman initially retained his six figure attorney Laura Rackner of Gearing, Rackner, and Engel & McGrath. Ms. Rackner appears to have promulgated her duties of late to her partner, Brett Engel.
This all seemed to start when formidable and well known tort Attorney Mark Wagner came out of retirement to appear as counsel for Terri Horman. Wagner and Rackner know each other, and Rackner is no stranger to LE –based dissolution entanglements.
In fact, Wagner represented her and her previous firm successfully.
Bagel Finagle
Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner is no stranger to law enforcement infused litigation. She is a former prosecutor for Oregon’s department of Justice, The U.S. Department of Justice, and Office of Chief Counsel. Ms. Rackner has specificity in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) casework.
Born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Laura received her B.S. in 1979 and her J.D. in 1984, both from the University of Oregon.
Prior to entering private practice, Laura served as deputy district attorney in the Marion County District Attorney’s Office; assistant attorney general in the Oregon Department of Justice; and on the staff of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Chief Counsel, Drug Enforcement Administration.
Record Scratch.
Martin Rob Cagan, The bagel king and according to him, a supreme target of a police shakedown at the hands of his former spouse’s attorneys was the litigious sort.
In fact, this may be how Atty Wagner decides to come out of retirement and become part of Terri Horman’s defense team while the civil suit was active.
Wagner’s firm represented Ms. Rackner in a suit filed by Rob Cagan in which he sued the Dueshete Police Department, A partner in the firm representing Caroleen Vanhoomissen, the suit (or ramblings of a very angry divorcee) alleges that the firm and its lawyers facilitated the difficulties of Mr. Cagan utilizing law enforcement sources directly by the attorneys was dismissed.
Ms. Vanhoomissen, the sister of Judge Vanhoomissen is also the owner of a horse farm in Bend, Oregon. Blinkoncrime was unable to verify if it was the Bend horse farm searched in the early days of the investigation for Kyron.
Attorney Rackner’s prior working relationship with the DEA, the very agency that supplied the undercover officer in the failed sting involving Horman landscaper Rudy Sanchez begs the question- Did Rackner use her contacts and/or credentials to facilitate a surreptitious ruse to gain favor for her client in anticipation of his wife’s potential arrest?
Kaine is on record that law enforcement informed him they had probable cause to arrest Terri. What is not on record, is what came first- the referral to Rackner.
I just want to do what I can to help law enforcement
Seems like an odd comment coming from a family attorney with a background as a prosecutor working with the DEA, which agency subsequently becomes involved in the case- or initially led to her representation- the chicken or the egg facts remain unclear.
The ex parte and originally sealed restraining order did not exclude Terri Horman from the marital home. Was this an oversight of a very seasoned family attorney or was the basis of the now defunct restraining order as provided to Kaine Horman and Laura Rackner by law enforcement effectively invalidated by Terri Horman calling 911?
Is the reason that Atty Engel seems to have taken over representation of Kaine Horman due to the fact that these actions could render Ms. Rackner a witness in her client’s case as opposed to his Attorney?
In the motions and subsequent hearing scheduled for July 30th, the only available arguments outside of the parties agreement is to contest the basis for the FAPA order- or, the allegation Kaine Horman has made within his affidavits more than once, that his wife tried to hire “our landscaper” to kill him, and that she is being investigated for “violent crimes.”
The outcome?
The order was converted to a civil no-contact order which has not yet been added to the file for public review.
Desiree and Kaine’s respective camps both claimed “protecting the integrity of the investigation” was their only interest although the ONLY 2 witnesses who were summoned for deposition by Terri Horman’s lawyers were- the lead investigator of Kyron’s investigation for 18 months- Bobby John O’Donnell and Kaine Horman.
Back To School
Skyline School, the International Baccalaureate candidate who announced the IB open house format weeks earlier via take home handouts to its students and also by displaying the event on its marquis has never been declared a crime scene. Although in nearly every legal support brief or news coverage article Terri Horman was dubbed “the last person to be seen with Kyron Horman” or more recently by Desiree Young as “Kyron was last seen by someone who cared about him at 8:45 am” absolutely no witness account or Science Fair insider was known publicly to dispute such accounts.
Until now.
“Once I learned all that was going on that same day, in that same school, I did not understand why I was being told that Terri Horman was the suspect, and one other person… It never made sense to me that they knew Kyron was seen with someone else besides his stepmother after she left, that they seemed to not even consider another theory.” (*Editor’s Note*- parts of the source’s quote have been redacted as they would reveal identity of witnesses in an ongoing criminal investigation)
Electric Slide?
Sometime after Terri Horman left the school with her daughter Kiara in tow, she was captured on store video prior to Kyron’s exit from Skyline School. It is believed Kyron was last seen between 9:05 and 9:20 AM.
The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.
Classroom 1 Property of www.blinkoncrime.com
(Editor’s Note: It is believed that Desiree and Kaine’s comments about concern that instruction they gave him last year about listening to staff “came back to haunt them.” They have never acknowledged they were told about this witness account but a source close to www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed they were informed but not given a witness description.
www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed the EXIF data on the image includes the timestamp of June 4 2010 at 8:43AM PST.
Backstory OR Backdrop?
Among the peers of Kyron Horman in attendance on June 4th, were some children whose parents may have been granted access via the open house format, although documents filed with the school and LE would preclude the parents from removing them.
In fact, the mother of a chief witness in this case was arrested that very day for attempting to fill a script that did not belong to her, in a pharmacy that Terri Horman allegedly also visited that morning.
Another child whose parents lost custody due to very long histories with substance abuse and associated criminal behavior had the additional possible misfortune of closely resembling both Kaine and Terri Horman.
Non Custodial Parent Red Long Hair
It is unknown whether either parent took the opportunity to visit the school that day, but they were not included on the published list. While barred legally from removing their child from the school they could not be barred from a publicly announced invitational. There was no ID checks or sign-in sheets for non-volunteer guests.
In an unrelated twist, the child’s Father was found deceased in front of a Portland residence in April 2012. The name of the child and Kyron’s schoolmate, guardians and parents are being intentionally withheld for this article.
Sovereignty In lieu Of..
Among the many unanswered questions in Kyron’s disappearance: Why hasn’t the school been held accountable? He disappeared on their watch- with a concise standard of care duty and plan.
What really happened?
There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck. There is no dispute that Kyron was last seen at Skyline School. There is no dispute that both Kyron’s parents expressed concern that last year’s discipline involving instruction on being a better listener may have come back to haunt them. They said so.
What may be in dispute, for sure, is how accurate the list of attendees at the Skyline School of June 4th, 2010 is.
As an example, one witness told Editor In Chief, S. Christina Stoy that a young male former student said hello to Susan Hall and when asked by a parent who the lad was a few days later, she said she was not sure. He is NOT on the list.
When another parent subsequently asked Ms. Hall who the student was following Kyron’s disappearance to verify he was on the published list- she responded she could not remember. Ms. Hall was the Skyline Administrative staff who contacted 911 upon speaking to Terri Horman and learning Kyron was not on the bus. Hall subsequently contacted Desiree Young. She did this while the Horman’s were on their way back to the school to see if Kyron might have thought he was being picked up that day as opposed to riding the bus or some other sort of snafu.
According to the MCSO, the school records that could assist the investigation were never requested to be preserved by investigators and as a result were deleted.
So why was the Skyline School never named as a defendant in the previously pending litigation filed by Kyron’s mother Desiree Young?
The reason may lie in the recreational designation utilized on June 4th, 2010.
According to the National Policy and Legal Analysis Network (napl) it may be a simple question of whether Kyron disappeared during the “recreational” portion of the program.
Napl’s guidance to lawyer’s advising Oregon schools can be read here. Although the overall plan is relative to an obesity initiative, it would include research and advice on any school recreational or regularly scheduled event. Please tell me Cogen does not factor into this.
The following are excerpts from the report:
…”Absent special liability protection, school districts and other providers of recreational facilities have the legal duty to take reasonable precautions to prevent injury. What is reasonable is very context specific and depends on many things: most important, the nature of the harm, the difficulty of preventing it, and generally accepted standards in the management of recreational facilities…”
…” The only immunity Oregon grants to public bodies, which include school districts,2 is discretionary government immunity.3 Discretionary government immunity applies to choices “among alternative public policies by persons to whom responsibility for such policies have been delegated.”4 To fall under the protection of this doctrine, Oregon courts have said, the choice must result from the exercise of judgment and involve a public policy or nonroutine day-to-day activity.
…” In summary, Oregon immunizes schools for policy choices its officials make, but it holds schools liable for breaches of duty that occur in carrying out those policy choices…”
…” The recreational user statute should therefore provide strong protection to Oregon schools seeking to avoid liability arising from after-hours outdoor recreational programs on school grounds. Applying this statute to indoor recreational activities, however, is much riskier, although the case law does not preclude such a strategy.
Regular School Day- Changes Things
…” In Oregon, schools owe students a duty to “supervise at all times the conduct of children on school grounds and to enforce those rules and regulations necessary to their protection. . . . The standard of care imposed upon school personnel in carrying out the duty to supervise the conduct of students is that degree of care which a person of ordinary prudence, charged with comparable duties, would exercise under the same circumstances.”37
Is the issue of liability to Skyline School relegated to what time Kyron was abducted, presuming he was abducted, as is believed?
Very possibly.
As we know, the school opened early the morning of June 4th, 2010, as was displayed on the school’s marquis at least 2 weeks prior. Without particular knowledge of when the suspect responsible for Kyron’s disappearance entered the school, and under what auspice, one is left to the timeline of Kyron’s activities as juxtaposed with the start of the school day. As a regular standard of care, one could argue that begins with a student getting on the bus, if a passenger, on their regular route. What if a bus passenger is attending the “event” outside of the bus transportation? Admittedly, it seems moot inasmuch as neither one of Kyron’s parents have filed suit against the school or named them as having any negligence or liability. That said, it remains a possibility in the event Kyron is found.
There is no question Kyron was seen after 8:45AM- which is the time that a regularly scheduled bus arrives- which would ring the bell, so to speak, on the normal school day.
To be Continued:
Roid Noise And The Boys In Blue- Publishing Thursday August 8. Preview Discussion Tonight on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW.
Ellie Sanders contributed research to this report.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
Image retouching courtesy of Klaasend
Previous Coverage:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/
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as we try to figure out sz enterance and exit from skyline i think we should be cautious about revealing the identity of minor children for their own protection, i have sometimes purposely used only initials. if we print the exact identity of the people that actually witnessed sz that could put them in danger from sz trying to cover his tracks.
Hi Blink,
I have read faithfully along with all the posts here at Kyron’s site but I can’t seem to find any information on the “doctor’s appt.” I see it discussed multiple times but isn’t it just a matter of checking with Kyron’s doctor’s office? They would have a confirmation of the appointment in question and would they also not have made a notation of the reason for the appt.? And wouldn’t there be phone records? Would they also not have made either a “short” appointment time..meaning ten minutes or so for visit or the “longer” appt. where you go maybe for a physical or such?
I am sorry if this is redundant, but in all I have read there seems to always be confusion about this appointment.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_looking _for_missing_por.html
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witnesses said kyron arrived at the school with his stepmother, terri moulon horman, on friday morning, perhaps about 8am. Parents had been invited to attend skyline’sannual schoolwide science fair, an event scheduled for 8 to 10 s.m., according to the pta.
the stepmother said she last saw kyron at about 8:45 am walking down the hallway toward his classroom, according to a sheriff’s office news release.
it was not clear, however, whether kyron, like every other student in the school, then participated in a classroom-to-classroom inspection of other science projects.
parent-led groups of about four students walked among the classrooms, said gina zimmerman, president of the skyline pta.
“you were supposed to stay with your group,” zimmerman said. “i dont know what group he was in.”
me: our time frame we have been looking at is only till 9 i think, but this story makes science fair tours going till 10 am. the marquee also said till ten! hmmm when did the substitute notice kyrons abscence?
all the students had groups:not excluding any class.
i am having a problem getting to the earliest posts on scared monkey forum, when i open and try to get navigation to anything i can only see thread 42+ current. can anyone post a link to any comment from threads 39! 36, 35, and any previous threads to kyron? if you even just post any comment in any of those threads it will open up all the comments in the thread to me. sorry if im a pita! am trying to see if they have copy of any parts of 2009/10 handbook pps, and other things tx
Are you saying you have all the facts wrt the dr. appt? If so, I would love to ask you some questions.
tiberious says:
August 14, 2013 at 10:05 pm
@tiberious. For LE, & bios as anonymous sources, to have been silent
on drs’ apptmt records (Kaine’s comment was not sure) when they opine on so
many other things tells me the poi’s
story was valid & the confusion was internal to Porter.
As a child of multiple step parents and divorces of both parents I can say with certainty that there were undue and unearned ill feelings towards the primary custodial parents (especially when step moms were in play) by bios. It’s normal (or rather I should say “common”) for Desiree and those in her position to resent and hate the woman who raised your child even if you make nice and play the game to keep peace. I assure you even if they talked regularly and stayed in touch via email, there was tension and unspoken ill feelings just because of the situation with custody. Desiree saw Kyron rarely iirc. Because of the distance I don’t believe she was able to make the every other weekend visitations work consistently. I know Kyron loved his bio mom and she loves him, but the situation was already strained prior to Kyron’s abduction. Terri was the easiest person to blame and certainly was someone Desiree disliked for a long time.
…and the potential argument this arrangement had been going on for years and Desiree may have been fine with it, NOT! Because…in my personal experience, the ill feelings span decades. We (the kids) are all grown up with own children, teenagers and young adults and these tensions are still there from all sides (of the “adults” i.e. various steps, ex-steps, halves, etc “parents”), even if they play nice for the special occasions.
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
@sam. if Porter really said (as quoted by a child) “calm down calm down”
to an adult, that was an infantilizing and dismissive way
to speak to an adult volunteer peer–kind of like talking
to a second grader.
Needn’t indicate stress on that adult’s part, but the Porter management personality.
Know you are working hard on Taylor arrest, Morgan thread, other victims.
Is there any thought of publishing this week?
sam hawthorne says:
August 14, 2013 at 1:38 am
someone here stated there was an ib representitive at the sci fair, does anyone know if (s)he was on the le list of attendees june 4?
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@sam h – The district administrator over the district IB programs was there and she is on the list. In case there is any confusion – she is not a representative of the IB program itself. Wonderful parent, principal, and genuinely nice person – Ben K will never rise to her level of competence, IMO. The following year she was assigned to do something else and I’m not sure if someone took her place or that position was added to someone else’s plate.
I can absolutely guarantee you that if the “major players” of PPS (and they vary – supt., HR, area supervisors, whoever has the power and influence at the time) – do not want to lose a particular (administrator) person but there is no position available due to cuts or other changes, they will create one for a year or two until something opens up. A few special or new positions appear and disappear with the “need” from time to time that really can’t be explained any other way. Also makes it easy to get rid of people they don’t want to keep around by not creating such an opportunity. Was like this for decades, doubt if it changed in the last few years since I retired.
Thanks for all your reviews and links. Good reminders.
@tiberious says:
August 14, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Regarding the Doctor’s Appt…I don’t think we’ll ever know the answer to this unless TMH is able to speak publicly to clear this up. Kaine has been asked this questions in interviews and he can’t answer it, says there is confusion. I feel he has spoken to the doctors office and knows the story but isn’t saying what he knows to protect the case. To me, the details of this would be very telling in determining TMH’s culpability. I feel if this were truly “damning evidence” that could be proven, we’d know about it.
The privacy laws attached to medical treatment are pretty ironclad and no MSM or other news agency will legally get that information. I also don’t believe LE will ever clear that up for us either.
2 likely scenarios concerning the doctor’s appt. Terri perpetrated/instigated/planned this crime and used the appt as a confusion/diversion tactic, or….
Ms.Porter knew Kyron was going to be evaluated for something medical (as she was given a questionnaire to complete) and was playing her cya card (to protect herself) in explaining why she didn’t question his absence earlier in the day.
No student witness(es), to my knowledge, has stated Ms. Porter explained Kyron’s absence to them during the day of the Science Fair as being because he was at the doctor. In fact, it’s been said she wasn’t sure where he was and suggested he may just be in the bathroom, and told the students and chaperone/substitute “not to panic”.
For the record, aside from knowing where Kyron is…this is probably the question/issue I’d like to have cleared up most, as I feel it would point us all in the right direction of whom to “NOT” focus on.
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
sam hawthorne says:
August 13, 2013 at 4:16 am
i was reading an old post on one of blinks articles here, wish i could remember posters name, i scrolled and rolled but it stuck with me still. a poster suggested that tmh sexted cook possibly thinking that it might be the last possible way to stay in contact with kiara at all, have relationship with good friend of kaines. was wondering if MockingBird Sings could weigh in on that. if tmh was innocent, le was accusing her, nationwide people suspected her, she was set up in a sting for soliciting murder, her marriage was over, she couldnt leave her house, what might she be thinking, doing?
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@sam h – I don’t think I posted that but it does sound familiar.
My guess is that TH didn’t decide to try to have a relationship with Cook as a way to stay in contact with Kiara. I doubt if that would have helped. More likely to be a negative result with Kaine using it to question her fitness as a mother.
She might have tried such a thing as an insult to Kaine, or because she liked doing it and wasn’t really thinking, or because she thought she could get information about Kaine. Who knows?
JMO – Frankly, I think MC is a few fence posts short of knowing good boundaries in life – would not see him as a good influence for Kiara, and definitely not a useful connection in any way between TH and Kiara, based on what we know about him. As I said, JMO.
@ sam h says: August 14, 2013 at 3:45 am
I asked Blink awhile ago if one of the witnesses seeing Kyron by a truck with someone in it could have been a bus driver. I believe she told me the busses arrived sometime around 8:30-9am (please correct me if I’m wrong). If busses were bringing unaccompanied children to school at or around 8:30-9am, wouldn’t they need to go directly to their classrooms? Would they have been allowed to walk around until 10am alone? I doubt it. I think parents bringing their children to school were allowed to stay and tour with their children until 10:00am. Maybe the kids who were not with their parents went to their classrooms and toured with teachers or other parents, and then they all met back at the classroom at 10:00.
IMO, the kids without parents were put into groups quickly and hastily by Ms. Porter,(maybe due to not enough volunteers) and Kyron was in one of them. Also, IMO, the “sub/volunteer/parent” TP referred to realized Kyron was missing AFTER the tour. She clearly sounded upset.
Sam’s quote below, (I couldn’t his open link) clearly states that the sub made her comments while taking a headcount AFTER the class was reassembling from visiting other classrooms.
Sam’s quote:
“8 yr. old P SAYS THE FIRST PERSON TO NOTICE KYRON MISSING WAS A SUBSTITUTE TEACHER WHO WAS TAKING A HEAD COUNT AS THE 2ND AND 3RD grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms…
“and she was like ‘oh no where’s kyron theres only 5′ and mrs porter was like its ok calm down, calm down he’s probably in the bathroom or getting a drink…”
Is it just me or is this statement in Blink’s article just a little too much of a coincidence? “In fact, THE MOTHER OF A CHIEF WITNESS in this case was arrested that very day for attempting to fill a script that did not belong to her, in a pharmacy that Terri Horman allegedly also visited that morning.
Was Terri and this mother at the pharmacy at or around the same time?
Now that’s just weird.
@SouthernMom. Speaking of Steps & family permutations, far more estranged and far odder than Desiree vis a vis Terri would be Ecker vis a vis Kaine. Tonight I read on a Scared Monkeythread a poster asserted James had not just reunited with Tarver after his move but had been visiting him periodically before that. This is the adopted father who was paying far more than he could afford with NO visits with his son, while laying the $ increase at Kaine’s door, which he was cast out from. Now if ever there were a tit for tat motive vis a vis Kaine’s son once James moved in with Tarver, Ecker had one imo. Was his pic shown to witnesses?
about stenson the grassmower, i remember some differing things said around that time.
his timeline changed after le talk
he was parked on access road
he had to get the keys from the office
a parent noted his parking in front of the school took up 3 parking spaces.
anyway i think this is link to other interview, with reference to the first one:
http://oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/kyron_horman_task_force_sends.html
i got that from http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9068.639 i believe, i also think there was a reference to a video by him. also poster said he went before the gj.
i remember reading this early in kyrons disapearance and not thinking much but am now creeped out because its the same m.o. am wondering if sz is local copycat maybe.
http:/www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=127604789675353300
(from scared monkeys post. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9068.825
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(kyronsearch)…reminds 6resham residents of a similar…search…32 years ago for %tacie =ilmoth, a second grader who vanished from West Gresham school on April 26, 1978.
in stacies case she was lured to a car by a stranger who met her in the hall at West 6resham as she was headed to the restroom. THE man, tall and brown-haired, told her he had some things in his car and that the school principal said she could help.”
typo sheeesh, last post should read (victim)
Stacie Wilmoth
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html
tmh indicates she has been interviewed 5 times by le already (june 5)
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97705124.html
july 2
le statement saying tmh is fully cooperating. the previous day desiree young implored tmh to cooperate.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyrons-family-calls-on-friend-of-terris-to-tell-what-she-knows-99076714.html
july 22, 2010
desiree, kaine, and tony, saying they have been briefed by le, implore dede to talk and threaten civil remedies if they dont and impede finding kyron
http://www.kgw.com/home/desiree-young-on-terri-moulton-i-know-shes-lying-98075814.html
me: i do wonder what le has been telling her. tony was the first one to publicly accuse terri if i recall.
copied & pasted from a cauldron:
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Beth Karas is doing a radio show on Friday, August 16th, from noon to 1 pm Eastern Time (9:00 am to 10:00 am Pacific Time). It’s a national show that can be listened to online and, perhaps, locally on the radio. It’s called Lifestyle Talk Radio Network. She plans to devote some of the show to Kyron and will take callers.
To access the show, go to http://www.lifestyletalkradio.com/ on Friday, at noon Eastern Time (9:00 am Pacific), click on the link that says “listen live” or you can put your zip code in and find the AM station that carries it in your community.
Beth is hoping to get a permanent show in the future. Right now, she fills in at certain time slots.
The call-in number to the studio is 888-454-3378. If there are enough callers, she can spend most of the show on Kyron. She would need 1-2 callers for segments 2, 3, and 4. People can also post questions or tweet questions to her in advance.
Her Twitter handle is @bethkaras – https://twitter.com/BethKaras
Her Facebook is Beth Karas – https://www.facebook.com/BethKarasInsession
Here is some information about Beth:
http://wildabouttrial.com/one_off/beth-karas/
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(our new air cond $$$$ goes in today, whew)
A couple of pseudo-random observations:
1) I don’t think the “doctor’s appointment” is particularly relevant. It would be easy to make an appointment TMH didn’t plan to keep, so the presence of an appointment wouldn’t necessarily be exculpatory. It is also possible the TMH planned to make an appointment for a particular day, so the absence of an appointment wouldn’t necessarily be an indicator of guilt. KH didn’t seem to be particularly involved in day-to-day details, and wouldn’t necessarily know details about an appointment. HIPPA regulations aren’t really an issue, as KH has the legal right to release Kyron’s health information if he wished.
2) The sexts: I think this suggests a lot about the Horman marriage. I doubt the TMH chose that particular date to start sending sexts. It appears that KH was having an affair while his then-wife DY was 8 months pregnant. I have always suspected that the reason Kyron couldn’t get out of bed at night without permission was related to this (maybe he interrupted something). As long as the children in the house were protected, I don’t care what they did, and will not judge them. I doubt their lifestyle was related to this case. SZ was likely not local (or he would have been recognized). If there was a more extensive geographic presence (online activity), some smart sleuth would have found it by now.
3) Unless blockbuster evidence arises in the divorce/RO (or Kyron is somehow located), I fear this investigation has floundered. DDS appeared before the Grand Jury, but why did they wait _years_ to do that? I suspect it is simply window dressing. LE has only one known POI, but no real evidence. I suspect they don’t have a clue about the identity of SZ.
@Samhawthorne:
This was the NEW policy in 2004. I do not know why it would have been any different in 2010, it says it was in compliance with DISTRICT policy. So whatever the DISTRICT policy was in 2009-10 school year, is what Skyline should have been following. If you read the letter from Keefer, this sounds like it was the first year he was Skyline, so sounds like he is the one who implemented the changes to comply with district policy:
Change in Building Security Procedures
In compliance with district security rules we will be
locking all exterior building doors other than the front
entry at 9:00. This is being done to ensure that we can
more closely monitor visitors to the school. I understand
that this change may cause so
me inconvenience, but it
is being done to ensure the safety of Skyline students.
This new routine will begin on Tuesday, September 14.
The doors will remain locked throughout the school day.
For those of you dropping kids of at Kidsplace we will
leave the side doors unlocked until after all of the busses
have arrived. Thank you for your cooperation in
keeping Skyline safe.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/pages/skyline/eagle/091304nest.pdf
RE: Grasshopper onAugust 13, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Visited the file room yesterday and got documents filed in early Aug. The RO and divorce files were combined over much of the past so it was very confusing. in the end I simply put them all into the same pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10147993/RO%20and%20Divorce%20Aug%2012.pdf
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I am confused, too. The last entry on the docket Grasshopper referenced above, number 85 with the date of 08/05/13, indicates that Kaine’s attorneys filed a motion regarding parenting time, custody, and psychological evaluation. The docket indicates Kaine’s motion was filed on 08/02/13, after the stipulated no-contact order had been entered. As the civil case is now closed is this new motion moot, or is it pending as part of the family court proceedings?
Rose says:
August 15, 2013 at 12:33 am
@sam. if Porter really said (as quoted by a child) “calm down calm down”
to an adult, that was an infantilizing and dismissive way
to speak to an adult volunteer peer–kind of like talking
to a second grader.
Needn’t indicate stress on that adult’s part, but the Porter management personality.
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JMO, but if this conversation happened as TP said, then it is one more reason I think whomever was Kyron’s chaperone, was a minor. Fits in exactly with what you’re saying Rose. She was talking down to someone. Per neighbor, IIRC, there were chaperones who were minors. This could also be one of the reasons LE does not want this discussed. I can only imagine how this young girl must feel.
It seems to me that there are numerous witnesses. Someone saw SZ coming in the front entrance; Ms. Matthews and possibly students saw SZ leaving through the basement door; A witness or witnesses reported seeing Kyron outside by a truck with 3 (?) adults; and then you have whoever the other 2 adults were at the white truck. That’s alot of witnesses not to be able to come up with more information.
How was it known which door SZ entered? Leaving, I understand, but entering I don’t get. Unless it was the same witness?
And, I don’t see the problem in putting out a description of SZ even if he may resemble several other parents or people. So what? Let them be interviewed and cleared. I would be willing to go through that to help find this poor innocent little boy.
Blink, can you tell us anything else about the chaperone that noticed Kyron missing? Parent, school employee, school volunteer, student, etc.?
Also, after re-reading your report it finally stuck out to me about the “past student” that was noted as being there, but that no one could remember his name and he wasn’t on the list. He had to of known about Kyron going missing. Why wouldn’t that student have come forward to be interviewed? Or maybe I misunderstood your information. Questioning myself now so I’m going back to read it all again.
Thanks for all you do, Blink.
IMO
Why would this person know anything more about Kyron’s disappearance then we do? I dont understand the purpose of this show. Does she have an investigative team or we only going to hear repeated what we hear from the media along with what ever slant she puts on it.
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The call-in number to the studio is 888-454-3378. If there are enough callers, she can spend most of the show on Kyron. She would need 1-2 callers for segments 2, 3, and 4. People can also post questions or tweet questions to her in advance.
Her Twitter handle is @bethkaras – https://twitter.com/BethKaras
Her Facebook is Beth Karas – https://www.facebook.com/BethKarasInsession
Ok, I re-read and this is from Blink’s report:
What may be in dispute, for sure, is how accurate the list of attendees at the Skyline School of June 4th, 2010 is.
As an example, one witness told Editor In Chief, S. Christina Stoy that a young male former student said hello to Susan Hall and when asked by a parent who the lad was a few days later, she said she was not sure. He is NOT on the list.
Did LE actively try to identify this student? I hope so. Not that the student is guilty of anything, but I want to believe LE has tried to trace down anyone that was reported being there that is not on the list. Something tells me they didn’t though…
Last paragraph in my post from 2:25 today are my comments. Didn’t want anyone to think it was from Blink’s report.
Sorry for the confusion.
cd says:
August 15, 2013 at 2:24 pm
IMO
Why would this person know anything more about Kyron’s disappearance then we do? I dont understand the purpose of this show. Does she have an investigative team or we only going to hear repeated what we hear from the media along with what ever slant she puts on it.
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I guess its good that Kyron is getting some airtime. Its just that so much of the news coverage about him and his family have been so one sided and disappointing to me.
If this posts twice, sorry!
@ sam h says: August 14, 2013 at 3:45 am
I asked Blink awhile ago if one of the witnesses seeing Kyron by a truck with someone in it could have been a bus driver. I believe she told me the busses arrived sometime around 8:30-9am (please correct me if I’m wrong). If busses were bringing unaccompanied children to school at or around 8:30-9am, wouldn’t they need to go directly to their classrooms? Would they have been allowed to walk around until 10am alone? I doubt it. I think parents bringing their children to school were allowed to stay and tour with their children until 10:00am. Maybe the kids who were not with their parents went to their classrooms and toured with teachers or other parents, and then they all met back at the classroom at 10:00.
IMO, the kids without parents were put into groups quickly and hastily by Ms. Porter,(maybe due to not enough volunteers) and Kyron was in one of them. Also, IMO, the “sub/volunteer/parent” TP referred to realized Kyron was missing AFTER the tour. She clearly sounded upset.
Sam’s quote below, (I couldn’t his open link) clearly states that the sub made her comments while taking a headcount AFTER the class was reassembling from visiting other classrooms.
Sam’s quote:
“8 yr. old P SAYS THE FIRST PERSON TO NOTICE KYRON MISSING WAS A SUBSTITUTE TEACHER WHO WAS TAKING A HEAD COUNT AS THE 2ND AND 3RD grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms…
“and she was like ‘oh no where’s kyron theres only 5′ and mrs porter was like its ok calm down, calm down he’s probably in the bathroom or getting a drink…”
Kim Holm quoting her son Kurtis”
Kurtis said at “around 9:10 or 9:15″, uhhh, “Kyron was GONE”. (uses a questioning inflection, like WTH?) and “the teacher said, I thought he left with his mom”, cuz they thought he had a doctor appointment.
http://www.katu.com/home/video/98647489.html
She is quoting her son, and but perhaps someone else when she uses the words “they thought”. Or perhaps Kurtis actually heard the exchange between two teachers, or Porter & chaperone, about the doctor appointment.
In any case, if Kim Holm is directly quoting her son, what we can take from this is that Kurtis said Kyron was noticeably missed at 9:10/9:15…by his classmate(s) and his teacher. This would have been when they were getting into the groups, not when they were returning. This is one more reason, I think the getting a drink/bathroom thing overhead by another child, Tanner, may very well have been in the beginning, when the groups were forming in the first place. I don’t think Kyron ever really got into his group. IMO, the kids would have been well aware of what time they got into their groups. So if Kurtis is correct and Ky was gone by 9:10/9:15, Kyron was not in the group.
“And then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him everyday, ummmm, he wasn’t there at lunch time.”
Sounds to me like Kurtis expected him back by lunch time (probably because of the talent show) and IIRC, there’s reference from another boy (CL) on the second Dateline story, that implies the same thing, where he says he kept looking for Kyron to be back by lunchtime.
What this tells me is Porter mentioned the doctor appointment to these kids, probably at the 10:00 a.m. roll call, her realization that Kyron wasn’t there (in the bathroom or anywhere else) and so “must have” gone with his mom to the doctor. IMO, these kids were all expecting Kyron to return.
If there was any doubt in Porter’s mind, why in the heck didn’t she make a phone call to find out. Sad.
tiberious says:
August 14, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Hi Blink,
I have read faithfully along with all the posts here at Kyron’s site but I can’t seem to find any information on the “doctor’s appt.” I see it discussed multiple times but isn’t it just a matter of checking with Kyron’s doctor’s office? They would have a confirmation of the appointment in question and would they also not have made a notation of the reason for the appt.? And wouldn’t there be phone records? Would they also not have made either a “short” appointment time..meaning ten minutes or so for visit or the “longer” appt. where you go maybe for a physical or such?
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@Tiberious, I’m not Blink, but thought I would weigh in. The HIPAA Privacy rule precludes release of any health information without the consent of the patient and/or his guardian(s), so the doctor’s office would not provide this protected information. Iirc, it was KH or DY who revealed in one of their old interviews that the appt. was for the Friday after Kyron disappeared.
essay kaye says:
August 15, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Grasshopper onAugust 13, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Visited the file room yesterday and got documents filed in early Aug. The RO and divorce files were combined over much of the past so it was very confusing. in the end I simply put them all into the same pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10147993/RO%20and%20Divorce%20Aug%2012.pdf
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I am confused, too. The last entry on the docket Grasshopper referenced above, number 85 with the date of 08/05/13, indicates that Kaine’s attorneys filed a motion regarding parenting time, custody, and psychological evaluation. The docket indicates Kaine’s motion was filed on 08/02/13, after the stipulated no-contact order had been entered. As the civil case is now closed is this new motion moot, or is it pending as part of the family court proceedings?
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the way I understand it, the no contact order was put into effect in place of the now defunct RO. both RO and civil suit are gone. everything is now in the prevue of family court proceedings. That said, it does not help that the motion you refer to, #85, was typed out with the case number of the RO (ends in 086). That is lined through by pen and the 084 case number of the divorce is handwritten above it.
that motion contains this language (I’m writing this out for sam h):
Terri Horman has been in seclusion for three years and has elected not to seek parenting time with Kiara. She refuses to cooperate with law enforcement. So far, she has chosen her privilege against self-incrimination over a relationship with her daughter. It is anticipated that she will now seek to establish a relationship with Kiara. The risk of physical and/or emotional harm to Kiara is high.”
We know that virtually everything in this statement is untrue.
this comes later: “The investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance remains active and is a high priority for law enforcement. Terri Horman remains at the forefront of the investigation”
this IMO has no relevance to the divorce proceedings. RO was dropped because no justification was provided. This kind of language has appeared in both divorce motions and RO motions right along. I’m sure it’s meant to be confusing and affirm Kaine through Engel’s accusations of Terri.
I expect I’m splitting hairs, but it seems to me this language (in that motion) violates the Order signed on Aug 1 by both attnys and cantor: EACH party is restrained (prohibited) from intimidating, molesting, interfering with or menacing the other, or attempting to intimidate, molest, interfere with or menace the other directly or through third parties.”
Isn’t this language a further attempt to intimidate and interfere with TMH’s right to have a fair divorce, and for that matter to be considered innocent (of Kyron’s disappearance) until proven guilty. She has never been charged with anything let alone proved guilty but this entire 3+ year process has rested on depriving her of her daughter, her home, spousal support and access to family assets accompanied by inflammatory language designed to force her to “confess”.
Enlarged the floor plans to get a better look at the markings.
** K-1 Rooms 109/110 each have their own bathroom in the southwest corners of their rooms
, Room 109′s bathroom is the corner where the west entrance/exit to the school is
- – to clarify
- – - – exterior close-up photo of west door, plus a photo looking through the west door:
posted Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:30 pm
http://realitychatter.forumotions.net/t2597-photos-of-skyline-elem
(good photos on the 2-page thread at this site)
** Overlayed the floor plans of both levels and saw that the entry/exit door off the back lot is really close to the room door across the hall, which is Room 217.
- – However, the jut-out on the basement plan is further down, closer to Room 109′s door.
** The floor plans do not indicate a stairwell area running on the other side of the wall across from Rooms 109/110 or 215/217. Not to say there isn’t one, just that the floor plans aren’t marking one.
- – exterior close up view of back lot door, note the small windows beside the stairs, close to the ground:
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/IMG_0240.jpg.html?sort=6&o=20
- – Could also be that the floor plans are indicating what was there across from the basement rooms when it was a single story wing . . . before the second level (ground level) was added on.
- – - for some historical info:
ENTRIX Report Template
Skyline Elementary School
2009
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/schoolmodernization/Skyline_ILS.pdf
So, if these witnesses couldn’t for some reason provide adequate information for a sketch to be done, I’m thinking something else about this guy stood out to indicate different witnesses at different times may have seen the same guy – - – like his clothing OR PERHAPS HE WAS CARRYING SOMETHING LIKE A TOOLBOX which could, imo, give persons who saw him a belief he had a reason to be there. . . hiding in plain sight if he’s a bad guy.
Seeing those little bathrooms triggered the “plumber, electrician, construction” via Blink.
Forgot something:
It’s hard to tell from the floor plan if there are west-facing windows for those little bathrooms.
arrrrgh . . . I should have said “APPEAR to have bathrooms”.
There are markings that look like a toilet and sink, imo.
Perhaps someone could confirm?
aaaack . . . page 8 has a cleaner black and white floor plan of the ground level (where Kyron’s room is). Indicates area “C” was a “2-story” brick addition of classrooms in 1948.
ENTRIX Report Template
Skyline Elementary School
2009
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/schoolmodernization/Skyline_ILS.pdf
Rose says:
August 8, 2013 at 10:15 pm
(snipped)
The oddity was why Kyron’s case was parked in the CAU as the investigatory team (along with East County Major Crimes) from the git go.
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Just thinking Rose, maybe the paperwork that Terri allegedly gave Porter to fill out?
Tarheel says:
August 15, 2013 at 2:13 pm
It seems to me that there are numerous witnesses. Someone saw SZ coming in the front entrance; Ms. Matthews and possibly students saw SZ leaving through the basement door; A witness or witnesses reported seeing Kyron outside by a truck with 3 (?) adults; and then you have whoever the other 2 adults were at the white truck. That’s alot of witnesses not to be able to come up with more information.
How was it known which door SZ entered? Leaving, I understand, but entering I don’t get. Unless it was the same witness?
(snipped)
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Right, I was wondering the same thing too. But I suppose it’s possible the witness walked in the door into the school behind SZ proceeded behind him into that class and overheard his request, without ever even seeing his face. Could have been the only man in the room. IDK, that’s the only thing I could come up with.
According to today’s OLive, PPB officers, sgts, detectives etc
have not had yearly performance evals in two decades.
So I guess mcso doesn’t either. How can that be in a
civil service?
that paperwork imo was a typical simple behavioral rating form handed out by pediatricians like candy when teachers complain to the home a kid has listening problems.
As I learn from lectures by Dr Martha Denkla NIH that form & pediatricians are incapble of differentiating a neuro-cognitive attention from an auditory processing issue. They both look the
same at this age in the classroom. But, at least Terri paid attention to Kyron’s class report, got the form & discussed him with Dr, and intended to have an apptmt in near future which is far more than either parent did. If I’d been Desiree, I’d have insisted on arranging my own workup at OSU or wherever the best speech-language & ped neuropsychologist could be found. Terri seems to have done a lot she shouldn’t have had to do while caring for James & Kiara. Glasses need too.
@wpg. TY for pics. I think it was typical of the era the school was built to have a K room toilet.
I still think that all day Summer Gathering and those community & volunteer organization
work parties had bldg access by the fields & used toilets
in that area.
@TRuth. It’s possible the case ended up with CAU staff (sr ada, ada, as well as Det ODonnell) just because he was a boy of tender age. I think Moawad needed a big case to redeem her job performance & bad press on last big case. This one seemed to be an easy prosecution against a Stepmother.
And CAU team was a way to meld an investigative group based on MCSO & other jurisdictions.
Am looking forward to Boys in Blue article big time.
http://www.orogonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html
june6
“…carole smith, superintendent of portland public schools, appeared at the press briefing…
“the district will immedietly mandate the use of the automated call system at all district K-8 schools to notify parents when a child is absent without prior notice…
Smith said it would take a week to get the automatic system operating in all schools, so in the meantime staff will personally call home if a student is absent…
She said the policy of requiring all staff, contractors and visitors to wear badges inside the school will be strictly enforced and any visitors who fail to comply will be asked to leave.
Smith said a team of school district leaders as well as representitives from the teachers union will review all arrival and dismissal practices to see where they could be improved.”
Me: doesnt address doors being locked, per my earlier quote by parent saying they were always unlocked. Doesnt mention sign in sheets or id or background checks of volunteers. I hope those things were included in their review. Maybe those things were already required but not implimented so not mentioned. why cant they talk with teachers but have to go through union reps?
http:oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010…(incomplete link, maybe someone can google)
“still no trace of kyron horman as police, fbi conclude third day od search”
Sun. June 6, 2010
Snip
“nora schreiber, a skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a thirdon the north side of the school is not. Kyron’s classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot.
Schreiber said she and her son, j, 9 were interviewed sunday by a federal agent. She said she told the agent that friday was an especially hectic day at skyline.
snip
late sunday, mcs daniel staton issued a status report and raised the case level to increase public interest and focus…
“given the passage of time and the weather, we are charectorizing this case as a missing endangered child,” he said.
wpg
This is the same information that was linked earlier. It is a report for the purposes of determining if Skyline met the criteria for a historical designation.
The rest rooms are all together on the first floor on the North side of the main hallway. The other things you are seeing are built-in cabinets and storage closets.
The land is sloping in two directions. Towards the South and towards the West.
from the same article with missing link
still no trace of kyron horman…”
investigators said sunday they havent turned up signs of foul play. still, the fbi…launched its child abduction rapid deployment team…
the team’s involvement is standard when a child goes missing, said beth anne steele, a spokeswoman for the fbi’s portland field office.
the fbi also called in quantico, a va. based profiler to develop a more complete portrait of kyron.
Rose
I agree with your number 33 post above. This is the very thing that gets LE in trouble by trying to make something happen in a particular way vs letting the actual evidence lead the way.
my phone died again so dont know if my last post went through or not. found the link, story about quantico fbi coming into the search.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html
thanks grasshopper for info on court docs!
@t ruth sounds like good expanation of timeline at school.
The following posts contain video and still image “evidence”, plus commentary supporting/disputing SZ escape scenarios from west side exit of Skyline School.
1. Video and still images of Skyline School plus notes.
2. Still images of the west side of Skyline School from other sources.
3. A discussion with myself. Yes, I do get carried away.
Video of Skyline School. Approaching, around back, and leaving.
Notes: 1. The area where the two vehicles are parked. 2. The approaching view of the access road. 3. The north stairs to the outside basement level (1:01 & 1:31), 4. Windows in the doors and south hall but not on the north end of the west wing. 5. Lack of parking spaces except 2 ADA spaces, plus 1 non-ADA space.
If you like surprise endings watch the video before reading further.
http://youtu.be/CycfS62QXiA (2:34) (Recorded July 26, 2011, 4:32:18 PM)
(I will mention the surprise later.)
Next.
Late opening day. Rainy. Lots of cars in lot and some leaving. Parking lot dynamics maybe somewhat similar to June 4.
PK-8 Late Opening
When: Wednesday, May 15, 2013
Description: Late Opening – Professional Development Time (schools start 2 hours late).
~snip
Notes: 1. Parking almost down to the shoulder in the south paved parking lot. 2. Bus remaining in outer parking lane after student departure. 3. Back lot completely devoid of vehicles. 4. I turned around where all 5+ buses probably turn around in the back. So, at least 5 drivers and bus loads of students viewed the back area from about 8:25am to 8:40am. 5. Vehicles backing out in front of me thus stalling my exit progress.
http://youtu.be/3hkya075N0Q (1:31) (Recorded May 15, 2013, 10:48:42 AM)
Next.
Exiting Skyline Parking Lot, Rainy Day.
Notes. 1. Very wet shoulder, even a little stream runs through it. Not the most inviting of parking spots. While “damp” on June 4 it was probably not as wet as this. 2. Access road and vegetation 20 days before June 4.
http://youtu.be/q0JikzqFVN0 (0:17) (Recorded May 16, 2013, 1:28:14 PM)
Surprise.
No, I did not plant, or photoshop, that vehicle onto the access road. I just noticed it in my video a couple of days ago.
Image captures from the above videos (Order by file name is best):
http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/quizzi1/library/School%20Video%20Image%20Captures
These images would be easier to view if I brought them into my own photobucket but people have put a lot of work into providing this information so it is only appropriate to link to them.
Close up image of the west alcove door. (Thanks @wpg for finding a full image of this door) Also, images of soccer field road by bank and access road. Lines are drawn to depict route from that door down stairs and to the access road. Substitute SZ for TMH and 9:05-9:20 for 8:45-9:00 when reading these posts back in Summer 2010.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5553438&postcount=684
Freefallzzzz added more info to this image, including the west alcove door is “marked with visitor info”, as shown in previous door image.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5623743&postcount=123
Various images of the west side from Cranky provided by locals:
West garden boxes later in summer:
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/8-2010studentgardenareaoverlooksaccessrdkimster.jpg.html?sort=6&o=50
West wall from soccer field road near bottom of bank:
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/SkylineSchool027.jpg.html?sort=6&o=200
School’s SW corner from sloping concrete walk on top of bank:
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/SkylineSchool014.jpg.html?sort=6&o=201
School’s SW corner from soccer field road near bottom of bank:
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/SkylineSchool028.jpg.html?sort=6&o=203
West wall up close:
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/SkylineSchool015.jpg.html?sort=6&o=212
North stairs up to playground from west side of building:
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/SkylineSchool064.jpg.html?sort=6&o=227
View down to soccer field road from playground:
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/SkylineSchool010.jpg.html?sort=6&o=230
Stairway down from west alcove door:
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/SkylineSchool022.jpg.html?sort=6&o=232
Access road from south fence of play ground:
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/SkylineSchool007.jpg.html?sort=6&o=231
South most stairs from playground down to soccer field road:
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/SkylineSchool009.jpg.html?sort=6&o=237
Soccer field from behind garden box in front of west wall:
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/SkylineSchool070.jpg.html?sort=6&o=238
Playground from soccer field road near bank:
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SW corner of school from bottom of stairs from alcove door to soccer field:
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Top of access road from bottom of south stairs to soccer field:
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“Tall grass about 3 feet tall”
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School from above:
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My thinking. I am going to write this as if I know what I am talking about.
This abduction was engineered. Design was from the end product backwards. Goal: Steal an early elementary aged boy from a school without getting caught. Not getting caught was the foremost consideration. Success was abducting a young boy.
Placement of SZ’s escape vehicle was determined to provide the quickest unencumbered departure from the school grounds possible, whether he had a child with him or something went wrong. The vehicle was selected to blend, probably with temporarily altered plates. While the type of vehicle is of secondary importance, careful selection could certainly improve his chances of success and a remain an unknown SZ. If he had a white truck it likely was related to Stensen driving a white truck as opposed to having anything to do with the Horman truck. That was a bonus. SZ probably picked the 8am-10am Science Fair as a prime event to accomplish his goal, or at least his next attempt. A Friday. He could/would have researched the external “goings on” of the school for at least a few weeks in advance on Fridays. Observation: The same person with the same white truck was mowing the lawn roughly between 7:45am to 8:45am each Friday. He also could have made other observations relating to the parking and the existence of external cameras. If external cameras were not evident there was a good chance there were not internal cameras either.
SZ likely did do at least some online research; images, floor plans, calendars, newsletters, facebook, etc.. He could have easily determined ages of children in various home classrooms as well as respective teacher names. This would be done in ways to randomize his internet pathways to various websites. Maybe he took digital images of information so he wouldn’t have to return to a site. As @Sam H recently opined, he could have had a physical presence in the school before June 4, helpful, but not necessary. Since he probably planned to execute his plan after the turf technician left, SZ would have had the better part of an hour sizing up the place, making himself comfortable and making staff and children comfortable with his presence. He would always need to be aware to keep his face out of the “view” of cameras, still or video.
SZ parked in the main south parking lot sometime after 8am. He went up to a door where others were entering. If he had not already known, he found out IDs and sign in were not required. He was free to enter and he acted like he belonged. He may have been to similar events recently in other similar schools as trial runs, or failed attempts. SZ may be a parent himself and went to such events as part of his own family life, recently, or in the past. He may even be, or had been, a teacher. The environment was likely not unfamiliar territory. If he had been challenged for ID at first, or later, he simply would have excused himself politely with something like “I must have left my billfold in the car”, left and never returned.
Sometime very soon after Stensen pulled away, SZ left the building, moved his vehicle to just before the access road heading west, or part way up the access road. In either of these cases he would probably not be blocked but visibility of his activities would be increased. Or, he went down the road just a bit where those two vehicles were parked in the first video, turned around and went back to the school shoulder and backed up the access road clear to the gate. He may have slightly increased the chance he would be blocked but significantly decreased chances of being clearly seen upon his escape. He then went back to the building, either via the south most stairs to the playground next to the access road, or back up the road to the main south parking lot. SZ could have accomplished this move in 5 minutes or so. I recall Blink indicating he may have “returned” to the building at some point.
Fairly soon after reentry SZ makes his way back to Rm 109. Along the way he may have encouraged Kyron to go to Rm 109. He may already have known his name and that his “mother” and sister had left. Or, SZ went to 109 chatted with Kyron and others, getting names, nicknames, etc., if he didn’t already know them.
Then SZ asked for “Ky”’s assistance, got the nod, out class door, out the alcove door, down the stairs to soccer road in 10 seconds. To SZ’s vehicle, virtually invisible to anyone at the school in another 20-30 seconds. Off the grounds in another 30 seconds. Vanished.
As @Georia Dad indicated recently, SZ hadn’t done anything illegal until he physically detained Kyron. That is if SZ wasn’t prohibited from being near children.
Also, @Rose said, SZ might have just shown up at 9am.
Alternative vehicle positioning.
Back (North) lot. At first I liked this for the abduction point, mainly because I envisioned SZ and Kyron leaving from one of the upstairs rooms. Of course, as @VW has opined they could have just ventured north from the basement door and up the stairs to that area. I am not sure many, if any, vehicles were back there on June 4. I know there were reports of some vehicles, but I sense parking in the back area was generally discouraged, except for ADA parking. Also, if things went wrong and attention was directed SZ’s way, escape could have been a dicey proposition.
Main South lot. Again, I like this better if they left from upstairs. While leaving the lot might have been less problematic, the chances of being seen with Kyron would be greatly increased.
One last thought about the access road. A huge fuss was made by LE about that access road. Kyron must have been seen on or near it. LE tried to really hard to push Kyron’s disappearance time around to make it seem possible for TMH to leave with Kyron from the access road area. They even put Gunga Dave on the rack and extended his departure time out to as late as 9am. I am of the opinion TMH parked in the main south lot, possibly very near Skyline Blvd. (or not), at around 8:10 – 8:15. I doubt her, err Kaine’s, truck ever left that spot and I do not think anyone else was ever inside it. During that time it is quite likely that people were seen by it getting in and out of their own vehicles. I do think SZ was seen with Kyron by his vehicle somewhere on or near the access road.
When @neighbor saw a white truck pointing towards Skyline at the access road, was that Stensen or SZ with Kyron.
Finally, excuse me if I attributed ideas and suggestions to the wrong posters. You are all great posters here. It is always a pleasure to read all of you and I do read everything. And, of course, a big thanks to Blink, I have no idea how you do all this and raise a family too.
Would like to underscore again that I also believe Ky was seen by a white truck, similar to Kaine’s and it was parked on the access.
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