Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation EXCLUSIVE: Terri Horman Friend DeDe Spicher Breaks Her Silence After Passing Polygraph- Requests DA Clear Her Publicly
A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation. ©
S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime
Lea Conner, Attorney- contributing editor, and, legal analyst
DeDe Spicher
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In the days following the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman from the Skyline School on June 4th, 2010, Terri Horman’s inner circle of friends, family and associates—casual acquaintances, shop clerks, and gym employees—were deluged by law enforcement.
Word spread quickly that law enforcement was after anyone who knew, might have known, or had any dealings with Terri Horman. The term used to describe law enforcement’s behavior toward potential witnesses was “bullying. ”
As the president of her former condominium owner’s association, DeDe Spicher was involved in helping the association with litigation against the condo’s builder. Spicher had a working relationship with the association’s legal team, and one afternoon, she casually mentioned the investigation into Kyron’s disappearance to the association’s legal team. Although DeDe had not been contacted by law enforcement, counsel for her condo association recommended to DeDe that, in light of what DeDe had heard about the investigation, if law enforcement were to contact her, she should agree to interview only with counsel present. She asked the attorney to sit in if that happened, to which he agreed. He quickly referred Spicher to attorney Chad Stavley.
With a search warrant in hand for electronic devices only, to which DeDe directed investigators, law enforcement proceeded to search her entire home. Multnomah County Detective Keith Krafve asked Spicher to answer some questions.
DeDe said she replied, “I would be happy to answer any and all questions you have but I would like to do so in the presence of counsel. ”
Law enforcement, in turn, began a prolonged and highly orchestrated effort to bully DeDe Spicher.
When I first introduced myself to Ms. Spicher, I offered my apologies for what she had been through and told her that in my personal opinion, she had been unfairly maligned, if not persecuted. I thanked her for her trust of me to tell her story. Ms. Spicher paid me some kind compliments on my coverage of Kyron’s case to date.
I found her extremely bright, animated and witty, with a charmingly confident , and self-deprecating sense of expression.
I also found Ms. Spicher to be very naive, even now, as to the standards, protocols and practices utilized by law enforcement.
I can’t say that I blame Ms. Spicher for trusting law enforcement so blindly. The fact is, she grew up around law enforcement but saw very little about the actual workings of an investigation. Ms. Spicher is the daughter of a well-respected—now retired—deputy with the Klamath Falls Sheriff’s Office.
At times, I found myself questioning if I would be able to exhibit the sort of resilience this woman has. Probably not.
I found DeDe Spicher to be unwavering as to her account of events on June 4th, 2010, and ensuing dates.
It was only a few weeks ago, during a meeting with MCSO detectives Mark Herron and Keith Krafve , investigators unofficially cleared DeDe Spicher of any involvement in Kyron’s disappearance or of having any knowledge of anyone elses. She is hopeful that Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill will issue a public statement from his office clearing her officially.
To date, neither the Multnomah County Sheriffs Office nor the DA’s office has publicly declared any persons cleared in the active investigation.
DeDe is adamant that she was not involved, nor did she ever see anything that led her to believe Terri Horman was involved.
DeDe spoke freely and without hesitation as to the relentless harassment she experienced at the hands of law enforcement.
However, DeDe is adamant that she does not want this piece to express any sort of “pity DeDe” perspective. She does not want anyone to feel sorry for her.
DeDe hopes that by speaking publicly, the public’s curiosity will be satisfied, and the focus of the investigation into Kyron’s disappearance can return to an actual investigation.
This is her story.
In Her Own Words
“. . . On a positive note, I have met some really nice people out of all this, so that’s how I choose to look at it. I can’t control other people’s actions or opinions about me…”
“I did not know anything’ I never knew anything ;and I could not get them (law enforcement) to believe me for over three years. ”
“. . . Since the investigation started, I believe they were able to narrow the time I was supposedly missing [never was, never left the property] but they never shared that with me and have not to this day. . ”
“. . . There was no communication between Terri and I since her birthday party in March [2010], and we had only been in touch the December before that [in 2009]. Terri and I were not best buds. I think that was something investigators were really hung up on. They could not understand that I would rush to someone’s aid that on the surface was a more casual friend. They saw that as behavior of someone that had something to hide, or as a motive of some kind…”
What investigators believed that motive was, they certainly never shared with DeDe Spicher.
No Reid School Alum
Investigators pummeled DeDe from the very start: You were missing at the same time that we can’t pin down Terri Horman’s whereabouts. Why did Terri pick you up? Did someone else pick you up and bring you back? We know you left the property, we have proof.
These are questions demanded from DeDe Spicher over and over again, for three straight years. No matter what she did to try to accommodate law enforcement–and she and her attorney Chad Stavely went through extraordinary means by any standards to assist law enforcement–investigators refused to believe she had no knowledge of the circumstances of Kyron’s disappearance. Until now.
DeDe Spicher’s story has never wavered.
DeDe arrived at her job at Westwind Farm Studio–a sprawling and lush forty-plus acre property scheduled to be on the Garden Conservatory Tour the next day. She parked at the main house, left her cell phone which was turned on, and her lunch cooler in her Ford Explorer.
She went inside the main house to check in for her assignment, and for the first time since working there, she was invited to lunch with the others at the house. There was no time set. The invitation was open-ended and she believed based on the timing of her project completions at the opposite end of the property. This was Spicher’s customary daily routine. Her duties in preparation for the garden tour took her to the end of the grounds for the bulk of the morning, near the road. Where she was working, bent over in tall grasses and vegetation is not visible from the main house.
Spicher was not wearing a watch nor carrying her cell phone, and headed to the house for lunch after completing work on one section of the property. When she arrived, she was told that Ms. Hockensmith tried calling DeDe’s name outside when everyone was ready for lunch. When DeDe did not respond and could not be seen from the main house, Ms. Hockensmith also called DeDe’s cell phone. Spicher said she apologized and explained her project’s location and status, and then sat down to eat. DeDe resumed her work day to completion. Her cell phone records confirm this account.
On one occasion, at the request of law enforcement , Spicher agreed to walk the property and demonstrate her activities that day. During one reenactment,, a female investigator attempted to mimic Hockensmith’s “lunch call” while Spicher was out near the property line. Spicher heard the investigator’s call.
“I heard that person that day. They never told me where she was standing, I just know I could not see her which is easy to do if you saw the grounds. I don’t know why I never heard the property owner that day except to say I try to be very mindful when I am working, and gardening is a love of mine I tend to immerse in. It was the first time I was invited to lunch and was looking forward to sharing the meal on break. Had I heard her, I would have stopped immediately and headed in. It was a nice treat. ”
It sounded like an innocent explanation. I asked DeDe why investigators did not believe her.
She responded: I was repeatedly questioned, hounded,my home and belongings were taken and searched for some time. Law enforcement kept telling me in interviews I agreed to participate in, by the way, that the only way to clear myself was to take a polygraph, which my attorney advised me not to. Since I had been told by Terri that she was told she failed when she was adamant that she was being truthful, I had no desire to be set up like that. I do not know to this day if Terri actually failed any polygraphs or law enforcement just told her they did. I know that once she told me that [investigators claimed she failed her polygraph], my advice to her was that she should not speak to anyone without an attorney, but she continued to ignore it, I think for a few more days. As I recall, I don’t think I was the only person or friend telling her that.
Editors Note: blinkoncrime.com has been able to confirm through an independent source which does not wish to be identified publicly, that Terri Horman was referred to her criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze via a family friend and attorney located in Bend, Oregon. Subsequently, Kaine Horman requested a search of the Bend attorney’s property, and indicated that Kyron may have gone there.
It was either completely naive or bold for Spicher to submit to a polygraph under those conditions. She was, by her own account, telling the truth, and then being punished for it.
However, investigators were adamant at “proving” a theory that Spicher left the Westwind Farm. I asked, “Considering there is absolutely no communication between you and anyone else, and you are working on a 40-acre farm on this day, wouldn’t it be true that the theory had to be that. . . ? ”
Spicher interrupted: Yes, that Terri swung by and picked me up for some reason, or some other unknown person. ”
The problem with that theory is that it required another person who was not at the farm to know where Spicher was working that day come meet her, without being seen by anyone else, and without communication with anyone else.
Spicher: “On several occasions,I reminded investigators that there was a witness to where I was working on that property on June 4th 2010, which I surmise would complete whatever timeline holes they thought I had. This has never been released publicly, but there was also an artisan show/market sale on the property the next day. There were a few vendors in and out of the property that day, but I remembered one specifically while I was working near the road that morning. I was there when he dropped off his pots/pottery and whatever else he had to show or sell. ”
The artist/driver who delivered his pottery was in his late twenties to early thirties and drove a red pick up. .
Stoy: So law enforcement knew that there was a witness from day one, that could corroborate your logistics on the property and approximate timing, is that correct?
Spicher: YES!I did not know the man’s name or the name of his creations or anything, and when I asked law enforcement for the information to provide my attorney they refused to even say if they spoke to him, or if they had, if they were now satisfied I was where I said I was and at what time. They declined to provide it to my attorney as well, and by that time Ms. Hockensmith had an attorney as well so I was not permitted to just call and ask her. I even went to the Saturday market a few times to see if I could locate him myself.
Stoy: Why did Ms. Hockensmith need an attorney if you know?
Spicher: I assume it was because all kinds of people were showing up at her property and pounding on the gates, etc. She was hounded by the media for weeks, and all because she gave me a job. I was horrified for her. All because of me.
Stoy: Was there any connection between Hockensmith and the Hormans?
Spicher: Not that I am aware of, they were on completely different socio-economic levels and their kids went to a French American School, not Skyline. I would not even know where they would bump into each other.
Stoy: Has anyone ever mentioned to you whether Hockensmith hired Rudy Sanchez at any time?
Spicher: No. Did she?
Stoy: I am going to need to check my archives on that one, I thought so but I could be confusing her with a different property owner.
(Editors Note: Hockensmith’s friend and fellow farm-owner Jean Ann Von Krevelen did hire RS Landscaping Maintenence. DeDe Spicher was interning with Ms. Von Krevelen, and was referred to Maryellen Hockensmith to work on her property. It was not to be a paid position as Ms. Spicher was willing to ‘work for her sweat” to learn all she could at the time. Spicher said she has never met Rodolpho (Rudy) Sanchez nor has she observed him on either property. )
Frink or Fink- You Decide
So how does a casual friend such as Spicher become elevated to Terri Horman’s lifeline to the outside world, only to turn into the number two suspect in a de facto criminal investigation of Terri Horman?
Frink-in’ thinkin’.
Norman W. Frink, longtime chief deputy district attorney for Multnomah County, was former District Attorney Mike Schrunk’s right hand man. While no longer in office and the DA assignments to Kyron’s investigations are new,there are strong reverbations from the previous administration.
Stoy: You mentioned that law enforcement accused you of wasting their resources and distracting the investigation. In what way did they mean or how did they explain that to you?
Spicher: First it was Chief ADA Norm Frink who said I was wasting their time and resources by not “cooperating,” by which he meant “take their poly[graph]. ” That was just a couple of days before news first broke about my “involvement,” and was all part of his blackmailing me.
Stoy: How do you mean blackmailing you,the DA? Frink?
Spicher: Yes. We were in a meeting/interview and. .
Stoy: Was your attorney present?
Spicher: Yes. Sitting right there. Frink said that we do not think you had anything to do with this, but we do think you have information about Terri Horman’s involvement, and we do think she is involved. Either you take our polygraph, or provide the information we believe you have, or, I don’t care, we will tell the family that we do think you’re involved.
Stoy: What was your response?
Spicher: I said that I understood the need for them to do what they had to do, but that I was not going to tell them something that was not true. I did not really expect them to say something they knew to be false. They did. The next day, my name was released to the press by Desiree Young and Kaine Horman. It was a statement about me not cooperating and I think advising others not to or words to that effect.
Stoy: I am not sure I even know how to respond to that, or if I should during the interview. For me, that is tantamount to telling you that were looking at facing an indictment of your own. I think a reasonable conclusion by someone in your position would have been that you could expect to be arrested for something they knew you did not do, regardless of what it was, to further a case that they seemingly had no evidence in. Again, I find you courageous to have ever had another meeting with any law enforcement officer or DA in this case. I think it would have been very, very easy to say, “Eff this. They are not going to find Kyron with anything I have to offer because I do not know anything, and they are not going to find him by putting words in my mouth against anyone else. I need to protect myself. ” You never did that. Courageous.
Spicher: Thank you, but I really don’t feel courageous. To me courage is when one does something for which they have a great deal of fear. Mostly, I haven’t been afraid, which is what pissed law enforcement off from the very beginning. The one time I was afraid was after the ADA tried to blackmail me and I began to realize I might have to live in a world where the truth didn’t matter. I was not courageous at all in facing that fear.
Stoy: I am not an attorney but based on what you are telling me I don’t see how that is construed as anything but blackmail. He unilaterally gave you 2 choices. Both of which were in contradiction to your 5th amendment rights considering he was ready to make a public criminal allegation about you- does not matter to whom it was.
On the following day, July 22, 2010 Norm Frink made good on his threat to DeDe Spicher.
From The Oregonian, Maxine Bernstein
In a statement late tonight, Kaine Horman and Kyron’s mother, Desiree Young, and Desiree’s husband, Tony Young, said they had been briefed by law enforcement and believe Spicher is hampering the investigation. They implored her to cooperate.
“She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son,” the statement said. “Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron’s disappearance, not to cooperate as well. ”
In one fell swoop DeDe Spicher was the Richard Jewell of Portland, courtesy of Norm Frink.
Nothing grand about the grand jury
Dede Spicher was called before the first grand jury in July 2010. She was never asked any questions. I asked her if she had any information on that grand juries status and whether or not a true bill was sought, sought and denied, suspended, or dismissed.
Spicher: I don’t know any of that, but I believe that it was an election year and it was all DA strategy. I think they called me to scare Terri Horman and maybe Rudy Sanchez.
Stoy: Why do you say Rudy Sanchez? He testified as well, so that has a layer of at least limited use immunity and for all we know he had a separate agreement for what is called transactional immunity. I have no information on that though, he has never responded to my requests for interview.
Spicher: I don’t know, I just know that he is who Terri felt was involved. His name never came up until Terri was asked who had been on the property that was not a friend or relative.
DeDe was again subpoenad to appear before the grand jury on July 10, 2013. She felt that it was her impression that law enforcement and the DA were running out of time due to the civil suit and divorce case, and she read that the grand jury was extended for 6 months previously and about to expire. At the time, the civil case Desiree Young filed against Terri Horman and has since withdrawn was about to resume. A stay had been granted in November 2012, a month before a scheduled hearing to compel further deposition of Spicher in that matter.
DeDe assumed that what she did not know might, potentially, help the investigation by potentially shifting focus away from red herrings as to her knowledge of events. The problem now for Spicher was that the prosecutor had already demonstrated to her that it was not above using almost any means or tactics, and at the time she had concerns that even her own lawyer believed she was telling the truth. Stavley advised her to tell the truth, tell everything she knew. She did, repeatedly.
Stoy: So, you get a subpoena once again to appear before the grand jury. Detectives are telling you to your face they do not believe you. The prosecutor [Frink] has demonstrated he does not believe you. According to what you have shared with me so far, you question if your own attorney believes you. How lonely of a place was that? I think most people would have been completely terrified. How did you cope with your fear?
Spicher: You know I was terrified. It seemed like every time law enforcement would ask me for something, I would provide it, and it was like a fresh new hell each time. It was not going away. I could not even read about the case or discuss it with anyone other than my parents because it was absolutely clear to me that the public now believed I was the obstacle to either solving the case or arresting Terri to solve the case and/or find Kyron and I knew that to be false. The truth did not matter to anyone. I was told this so often I began to even question myself. I won’t forget a conversation I had with a detective about whether or not I was unconsciously suppressing information I did not know I had. I mean, imagine my response to that. I said, well if I am suppressing something, then I think that means I have to wait for it to enter my conscious by way of my subconscious and if and when it does, I would certainly let you know.
Stoy: So what were they suggesting? Hypnosis?
Spicher: No. Although I am not sure I would not have preferred that. My attorney had advised against taking a polygraph. I believed Terri back in June 2010 when she said she was telling the truth and they told her that the lie detector test was saying she was lying and I also knew that even if I agreed to it, that law enforcement was under no obligation to tell me if I passed or failed and even if they did tell me, that I COULD trust that information to be correct. For me, it was not going to be an end to this because I knew that I had been telling the truth and that was not what anyone wanted to hear so what was verifying that going to get me? It was more like the potential beginning of a fresh new hell.
DeDe absolutely believed that her impending grand jury appearance was designed to result in her facing some sort of charge for something that investigators believed would lead her to ultimately implicate Terri Horman in Kyron’s disappearance. In fact, she was told that what was an honest tax mistake/error on her part after she ended up being paid a nominal amount by Mrs. Hockensmith but never received a 1099, could end up placing her in hot water. The Capone tactic for a woman that took the job with the understanding that it was not a paid endeavor and when Ms. Hockensmith told Spicher she wanted to compensate her she declined. Hockensmith insisted.
On this basis, DeDe was advised to and agreed to an immunity deal. The terms of which are under seal and Spicher nixed discussing citing a verbal agreement she made until such time as it is unsealed.
A source inside the investigation who does not wish to be identified as they are not authorized to speak publicly on the case- has confirmed that Spicher’s agreement includes provisions that she continue to cooperate with law enforcement as needed, be available to testify in any proceedings, and to take a polygraph.
Spicher declined to say to whom she committed to not discuss the agreement but that it also included neither party discussing that she had testified before the grand jury.
It would appear that Ms. Spicher is the only one keeping up her end of the bargain as Attorney Rosenthal announced publicly that DeDe Spicher had testified- a fact that to this day she has no idea how he came by that information.
Spicher appeared before the grand jury for five and a half hours on July 10, 2013.
Because grand jury proceedings are secret, and the DA, grand jurors, and state court personnel are barred from discussing the goings on, the only person who can speak to a witness’ testimony is the witness. In this case, the grand jury witness is DeDe Spicher.
Stoy: So before we get into the particulars, could you sum up those hours in the room at all- would you compare it to the civil deposition you endured by Desiree Young’s attorney Mr. Rosenthal?
Spicher: (laughs) No. It was far more comprehensive. I am referring to the civil deposition.
Stoy: When asked about your weight, you were far more reserved and eloquent than I would have been. . . . If someone asked me my weight at a deposition, I would have said I did not know but would be glad to sit on him and let him guess.
Spicher: I know, right? Not me, I am direct, I had nothing to hide, and I was not intimidated in the least.
Stoy: So without telling me what questions you were asked specifically, what would you characterize as your testimony ?
Spicher: They were obsessed with my sexuality. Was I a lesbian,what were my thoughts on homosexuals: Did I ever have a threesome with anyone, with Kaine and Terri, etc. I was thinking if I were a juror, I would be like, what does this have to do with anything? I answered every question respectfully and honestly but my takeaway is that some folks still have a hard time believing that I would rush to a friend’s aid if we had not been in contact, or particularly close in the first place. I responded that when your friend texts “I need you now,” I got in my car and headed over there. There was never a question in my mind. Even if I knew that everything that happened to me over the last 3 years would happen all over again, I would do the same thing today. That’s what friends do. I also testified when it was clear that sentiment was not shared by some, that I certainly was hopeful that they never needed a friend “immediately”.
Because of the travel time ,Spicher requested that since investigators wanted to give her the polygraph in Portland, that they schedule it for the day after the grand jury. It was easier for her to extend her time in Portland than to have to return again. They agreed.
Upon arrival, although Spicher was prepared for, and extended her visit to take the polygraph as committed, she was told that they had decided that because she was on the stand for such a grueling afternoon the day before that they never want to give anyone a polygraph after such an experience- as it might skew the results. She made a mental note that they had told her previously that one’s emotional state and exhaustion level are taken into consideration in a polygraph. In other words, while investigators were telling her Terri Horman previously failed her polygraphs, and she asked them if that could have been due to the fact that she went through hours and hours of interviews just prior to the exams, investigators now had a different story.
Herron Hamster Wheel
Mark Herron and Keith Krafve began the interview the same exact way they had for years.
“We still can’t seem to put together the right timeline from when you were at the property. ” And on again it went. Spicher continued the interview as she had agreed to, but informed them that if this was her time use that to perform the polygraph they would need to travel to Klamath Falls on their own dime.
They did just that. DeDe Spicher passed the polygraph administered by the same Gresham sheriff’s deputy who administered the polygraph exam to Terri Horman. Spicher says in particular, Mark Herron was jubilant. She said it was like a party atmosphere. Spicher was verklempt:
‘Well, I am happy that you are happy, I guess, but the thing is, I have been telling you the same thing for three years so I guess I am just happy you’re happy ”
Herron went on to blame Spicher for the thousands of hours, and dollars that her refusal to take a polygraph cost the investigation. Then, they asked to speak to Spicher’s attorney privately, outside of her presence. She agreed.
After a few minutes*, they called Spicher back in and asked for her permission to meet with her privately without her attorney. Spicher and her attorney agreed.
Krafve starts by telling her: We are so glad you are on the team finally. This is such a big step in this case and you are really one of us.
Then, the hook.
We asked to speak to you without (your attorney) because we would like you to participate in a sting against Terri. We can’t ask you in front of counsel, and you cannot tell him what we said because he will then be obligated to make some calls as a member of the bar and all that.
Spicher asks if she can at least discuss it with her dad, a retired deputy with the Klamath Falls Sheriff’s Office. Herron said she could, but that he could not discuss it with her attorney, either.
Spicher told them it was 10: 00 PM , and reminded them that she has not had any contact with Terri since July 2010. Spicher told investigators that she was not comfortable with the proposal and would definitely need to sleep on it. They told her they would follow up with her.
Stavley, presumably uncomfortable with law enforcement’s request to meet with this client without him, asked Spicher to tell him what the meeting was about. She told her attorney that it was something they told her she could not tell him and that she wanted to get out of there and discuss it later. Stavley said he was not at all comfortable with that arrangement, and within hours Spicher told him that law enforcement wanted her to participate in a sting operation.
It was not until last week that Detective Krafve contacted Spicher directly to follow up on their request for DeDe Spicher to participate in a surreptitiously recorded sting where she was to call Terri Horman, and at the direction of law enforcement, read from a prepared agenda to include coaching by them.
Spicher declined.
* Edit to reflect changing the word twenty to “a few” for accuracy. 9/11/13 4:43 PM EST
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What I believe has happened in this case is that LE has another case that involves some of the same people. They were so blinded by this prior connection, that they could not make good choices and they chose to build an imaginary thesis that would allow some of the things we now know about.
We have LE personnel who exceed their authority by making threats in an effort to force the issues. We also have county attorneys who have stepped so close to the line of criminal behavior in an effort to force issues that they have lost all credibility.
Then, there are the issues of just plain ignorance by LE. A cadre of detectives who should not be doing detective work and we have the mess we find.
The object here is to find and recover Kyron. Not to stroke someone’s ego. It is never too late for corrective behavior or to admit that this case is beyond the knowledge and capability of those involved and to ask for help.
Without proof, I have a gut feeling that KH is the key person for most of the interjected untruths and partial truths.
The people in the Skyline community will need to make some real noise to obtain a change of direction. Otherwise I see little progress is solving the case.
The County sheriff is not serving the needs and safety of the community using present resources. This is normally an elected office. This can be changed by finding a fully qualified person to place in that position. The same can probably be said of some judges and attorneys working for the county.
Hey Sam. I totally agree with you except on one point: I believe you can come to a theory that someone could be guilty and not ‘only’ look for reasons to support that. I believe you can come to that theory and still be fair in reviewing all facts that arise, willing to be flexible and move further toward a reasoned conclusion. None of us can possibly be there yet because we don’t know enough to have gotten there.
Terri was exhibiting those behaviors from the day Kyron went missing. (the casual conversation with Desiree about her hair color) and the sexting only three weeks into the investigation. That’s a pretty quick turn around time, IMO. I do agree that could be a result of mental health issues and probably was.
The fiasco LE has made of this case involving the bio’s in ways that border unethical screams to the need of bringing in new investigators. That plus all the time that has passed and they still have not revealed to the public an unknown male actually was last seen with Kyron. Perhaps not doing so was another ‘method’ of bullying Terri into revealing what she knows, making the public believe she was the last one with the little guy. Makes me sick to think of it.
From near the beginning I did not believe Terri actually left the school with Kyron, only that the possibility exists that she played a role in his disappearance and could aid investigators in garnering more facts.
Just as we don’t know everything about Terri, we don’t know everything about Desiree either, or why she believes so strongly Terri did it, so I will refrain from suggesting Desiree is unduly blaming Terri. I do question why she is she not speaking up about a man coming into the school and taking her child? It’s unsettling and if her motive in doing so is to bring public condemnation against Terri then she needs to recognize it’s been three years and time to change tactics because bullying up on Terri is not working in finding her son.
Sam, you say, “…. i would just for once like the bios to stop sayiing things like we have evidense but we cant talk about it. that shows le manipulation of them…”
I so very much agree with you. Enough trying to manipulate the public. Come clean or shut it. The time is ripe for all these games to end. Thank goodness Terri and her attorney are finally going to make attempts at doing just that. Thank goodness Dede has trusted Blink to give her side of the story.
@Blink. having viewed the 3 most recent comments at OLive,
& stopping (who has time for dat), it is amazing how in error
(immunity inferences) and how psychotically fixated
(on “Deedles,” as tho she’s a 4 yo niece) can be.
You imo owe it to Ms Spicher to publish a new piece on Monday to
remove her from the psychotic focus & comment of the disturbed.
Let them move on to new vics & turf asap.
This needs to be a brief comment thread.
& back to the case in chief: the Hormans & Youngs & PPS.
Blink,
Thank you for answering my question.
Maz
okay, not to be blunt, but its official. this is the only place where any intelligent/respectful discussion about Kyron’s disapperance can be found. it’s very scary how many people are drinking the Kool-Aid from the “main stream media” I wonder how these people would feel if they were completely innocent of anything and were in DeDe’s shoes.
I burned my broken elbow with the ice pack last week- I can be of no assistance
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Seriously Blink, knock off the jogging in your heels…and did you have those darn night vision goggles on again. What are we going to do with you. And I get the ice…a little time helps…a lot is not better.
Oy. The elbow and thumb were from the bike. On a funny note, ( cause I have lived to tell about it) I use GPS apps (maps and progress to a db) to track my ride and you can see exactly where I took a spill and all. Now, that’s funny. Thanks for the giggle Ode.
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“wpg: Who exactly are you accusing of being DDS on whatever forums please. That’s a fair request to answer your question, agreed?”
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Blink,
Respectfully, I believe you’ve misread my comments.
I’m not accusing her of being anyone.
Respectfully, wpg an excerpt of your post, in your own words, emphasis added by me for clarity:
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And not great to read what appears DDS participating in or contributing to online comments at a time when LE needed further assistance from her to clear her as a possible obstacle on their road to finding Kyron.
These examples (choosing to cite only the 2) go to my opinion of the 3 very long years DY, LE, and KYRON have had to wait for this “clearance” and why I am subdued (not to be confused or labeled as emotional, hating, a tsk-tsk “team player”, deluded, etc.)
You are accusing that poster of being DDS, you can say “what appears”, and thus why I asked you what your accusation was, but you are clearly expressing your belief that is her and your disatisfaction with her being an obstacle, among other things.
So if I may, I would like to clear this up. It was not DDS. I am confirming that to you having vetted it personally.
In other news- as you have brought this up previously. Tom Jones, the black sheep cousin who was privy to some early information before the family knew he was ever posting either true or false statements online-
Once it was learned what he was doing, Mr. Jones was cut off from the family without further communication of any kind and any statements he has made to the contrary are patently false. I would say more, but it is my understanding that Mr. Jones has some issues that give me pause with regard to online communications.
Respectfully submitted-
B
Blink,
I made no request and asked no questions in my comments.
Thank you wpg, please see next response.
B
…it was painfully obvious that le was not interested in clearing her, they were interested in arresting her for something. At that point, she had to protect her rights and I don’t blame her for that one iota. Keep in mind, multiple people were telling her to seek counsel before she actually did. That says something to me investigatively.
B
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Really weighing this. Thank you.
@ thoughtful wpg. Lord save us from even truthful not masquerading trolls),
friends, friends of friends, and even sisters, on blogs. imo don’t trust without a
mod like Blink to verify identity. And even then, consider it’s not the source, or
may be a well-intended but misguided source.
And absolutely secondhand Sallies are an ego-driven source with their own needs,
psychology, & agenda.
I can understand LE pursuing TMH, because they have no other suspect, IF she was the last person to see Kyron. Happens in all cases like this, just ask Jacyee’s step-dad. What I don’t get, is that apparently she was NOT the last one seen with Kyron.
If there was a wtiness who saw Terri Horman in some sort of contact with SZ that morning AND that witness was the sole witness AND is a minor, that is the only reason I would find acceptable for LE to withhold a description of SZ. Still don’t agree, but I understand.
Now, if that were the case, and this is the only witness to an interaction, this could be why LE was so intent on finding a coo-berating witness, “if you parked your car here”, etc. What are the chances, that Blink brought up in her last article, of this being a case of mistaken identity? Do the M. Cwy’s own a white pick-up?
I’m sure I’m also not the only one who at first glance also thought the child in Blink’s classroom photo certainly resembled Kyron from the glimpse we could see.
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Stoy: So without telling me what questions you were asked specifically, what would you characterize as your testimony ?
Spicher: They were obsessed with my sexuality. Was I a lesbian,what were my thoughts on homosexuals: Did I ever have a threesome with anyone, with Kaine and Terri, etc.
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So if the GJ gathers information for the DA/LE then why are they asking DeeDee about threesomes with Kaine and Teri. If LE/DA wanted to know about Kaine having some sort of wild sex life with DeeDee why would they just not ask their go to guy Kaine about any kind of kinky lifestyle with DeeDee and Terri.
I am certain they did. For the record, and I did not put it in the piece because I really had enough to the salacious and National Enquirer and STAR versions, Spicher never had any sexual encounters with either party.
B
B
“You are accusing that poster of being DDS, you can say “what appears”, and thus why I asked you what your accusation was, but you are clearly expressing your belief that is her and your disatisfaction with her being an obstacle, among other things.”
B
I am clearly NOT accusing that poster of being DDS and I am clearly NOT expressing a belief that is her. Clearly, Blink.
wpg, you did not include the portion of YOUR post, which I responded to in your own words. Really friend?
Based on some online commentary, you believed that was DDS, and you responded to same. Not looking to argue with you, but you can blame someone else for falsely calling it DDS, but your issue that you chose to post was to your belief ( even if via the flymonkey person or whomever) that was her. Why would you consider it noteworthy in the first place if it had not?
Again your words from your post in response to commentary stated was DDS:
And not great to read what appears DDS participating in or contributing to online comments at a time when LE needed further assistance from her to clear her as a possible obstacle on their road to finding Kyron.
These examples (choosing to cite only the 2) go to my opinion of the 3 very long years DY, LE, and KYRON have had to wait for this “clearance” and why I am subdued (not to be confused or labeled as emotional, hating, a tsk-tsk “team player”, deluded, etc.)
Appearance (as per posts by HER FRIEND FlyMonkey) of contributing to/ participating in the content of posts made online by friend FlyMonkey and cousin Tom Jones in the latter part of 2010,
ie. the appearance of giving them information that they in turn posted, with online posted statements by friend FlyMonkey (available at the SM’s site) alleging that DDS was aware her friend, FlyMonkey, and her cousin, Tom Jones, were posting on the 2 public sites.
Who’s friend? Again, you are under the impression that is DDS, this is the problem.
Clearly, IT IS FLYMONKEY ALLEGING that DDS went on to the GLP site (obviously with a computer and service provider of some sort):
Quoting FlyMonkey – “in order to make revisions or corrections or whatever she did” – End Quote.
Sure, okay, Tom Jones may have been “cut off at some point”, but seems not for a period of time when he was posting information that certainly had the appearance it was coming from his cousin. Information back then corroborated by friend FlyMonkey and information that matches pretty close to DDS’s “own words” today in your article.
Yes, ok wpg, so which is it? She was silent, or she was not, or either way she passed a poly to all the above, which she was openly meeting with investigators and espousing all along. I am lost to your point if you did not believe it was DDS.
Jeepers. Clearly, Jeepers.
It’s a good thing to read that a daughter of a well-respected, now retired member of LE played no part in the disappearance of Kyron Horman and has been “unofficially cleared”.
It is truly a HUGE shame, however, (and in my opinion only) that this could not have been satisfied for LE in aid of the most vulnerable of all . . . a 7 year old child, who, by the way, was not a stranger to this 40-something-year-old ADULT . . . 3 years ago.
Yes, declining LE’s request 3 years ago to take a poly was DDS’s right and choice to decline. I get that.
The other 2 women who were at the house, chose to fulfill the poly requests of LE 3 years ago in 2010, if I recall correctly (please correct me as needed). I recall seeing footage of them both walking into the courthouse together during the time of the Grand Jury in 2010, also.
Who are referring to and link please? I can also assure you that neither one of them were told flat out they were a suspect, as was DeDe Spicher.
So what is your bottom line issue here? I want to understand your process- are you suggesting you understand that DeDe had a right to refuse a poly, although she was clearly told she was thought to be a suspect, and that she should have just taken one regardless under those circumstances I outlined in the piece?
respectfully submitted-
B
“Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.”
― Benjamin Franklin
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Great doubleback and rethink on this site. Every thing questioned as is it should be>>>> Great angst can demand great progress. Blinkers have grown and learned. Blink is to blame.
Here’s to more bandaids, lol. I feel like I am channeling redranger.
But seriously, if the learning part of the program was not mutual, I would have no interest and no juice for more. Just want to say thank y’all for that. Sum of our parts, et al.
B
I don’t even know what to say here without being a jerk. B, I am glad you are running these pieces on TH and DS. I never bought the theory that TH harmed Kyron and I tried to stay true to that notion in my posts, however unpopular. I have no clue what happened to sweet Kyron. But I remember being struck by the question–in the swirling media maelstrom–what if TH had nothing to do with it? And she has lost her entire world (however f***ed up it looked from out here).
Good on ya, Blink, for revisiting these lives and trying to tell the other side of the story.
TY Twink. And TY for not wanting to be a jerk, LOL. As if.
B
With Cogen gone (who has allied & partnered with Sheriff S time after time in press),
WW is moving on to feature a wedge between Sheriff & Union, righteously.
Now here’s a good class action suit for an attorney like ER.
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-21109-picking_at_the_scabs.html
IMO
I think if DeeDee had taken a poly at the beginning of this case:
1. LE would have lied to her and told her she failed it.
2. LE would have suggested to the bio parents that they either hint at or say that DeeDee failed a LDT.
3. I don’t think LE cared whether or not she passed a poly they just wanted to use the results as an axe over DeeDee’s head to force her to say what they wanted to hear.
4. The BIo’s (at least Desiree) still would think she was somehow involved.
5. It would not have changed LE’s theory one bit.
“Who’s friend? Again, you are under the impression that is DDS, this is the problem.”
B
I’ve been clear, Blink – - DDS’S FRIEND. That’s whose friend . . . DDS’s friend.
Again, I’ve been clear – - I’M NOT UNDER THE IMPRESSION FLYMONKEY IS DDS.
I’M UNDER THE IMPRESSION FLYMONKEY IS A FRIEND OF DDS, AS STATED BY FLYMONKEY ON HER POSTS ON SM’S.
I can’t be more clearer than I’ve already been, Blink.
Respectfully, Blink, easiest way for you to confirm if you need, is simply to ask DDS.
I defer to my first post on this particular thread, regarding compassion for Kyron and compassion for Desiree Young.
I realize that your article has gone through at least one edit, because the article sentence regarding DDS’s compassion for Kyron appears to have been removed since my first post . . . a post that was responding in particular to that article sentence. That’s okay, edits happen.
As I posted previously, but prior to this moderation, DDS was not the person posting as flymonkey, who has since posted a comment on this thread indicating her relationship and the fact that DeDe was contributing to her posts online. Did not happen. But even if she had, I am not sure what your issue is considering she was meeting with and sharing anything with LE they asked for. I get that you weren’t accusing Spicher of impersonating her friend on SM, although that was not clear to me at first, so it was a fair question to ask if she was “facilitating” the commentary in some way, but it just seems like that is yet another hamster wheel issue. She was not contributing, but if she had, then she is wrong for speaking out, which many say she has not and should have- I am truly having a difficult time with that rational- admittedly.
As to your comment on an edit to this article, there has been none, not one, since it’s publication. If I were to need to edit anything, it has to go through legal and you can bet that it would be noted with a timestamp based on the content of this piece- with an explanation. Perhaps you read something in a comment thinking it was a quote from the piece?
I apologized on another comment for upsetting you personally, and before doing so I reviewed all your posts in this articles thread. Would you be willing to share your overall thoughts on the piece’s revelations? I am not seeing that anywhere and I think it would be helpful to me and possibly constructive to others reading and posting?
B
Okay my Beloved and if not beloved- my critically thinking- gifted and well intentioned advocates.
Mandatory Interlude.
Everyone is required to dim the lights, take a deep connecting breath, do a sun salutation or pretend to twirl that air ball thing ( lol, I took one tai chi class).
And when you have centered, listen to Van Morrison Into The Mystic.
Insert any tunes that might have the same effect. I use the benchmark that wherever I am, at whatever activity, I stop, listen and feel.
Let’s unify in our difference.
WW re County political leadership
http://www.wweek.com/portland/m/blog-30629-mobile.html#_Article
Is that truly, truly how you really feel? You think I have that capacity towards you, ever?
If you do, I don’t care whether you are correct or not, I just care that I said or did something that would make you feel that way and I sincerely apologize and regret it.
One of the things I despise in this case is it’s ability to divide folks with the same goal. If I lived close to you I would run right over and stand in your front yard and blast “Into The Mystic” by holding some ugly outdated boom box thingie. Don’t you make you sit in the lot at the gas n sip tonight- “by choice.”
Lastly don’t make me start posting pictures of Harper Weston to make it up to you because that- I am very capable of
xoxoxoxoxo infinity.
B
As I read, we each still have are own ideas about Kyron’s disappearance.
I never thought and still don’t think TH is a “master-mind”.
What I do wonder, and would really, really, like to know, is the “who, what, why, where, and when” it was decided that TMH was the target of this witch hunt. Was it politics, the school, le, kh…..how did this get started? By LE not being truthful from the get go, protecting the school, did they just decide to hang “TMH” out to dry?
@blink
Well, you were in the delivered edition today. A roundup of sorts. They STILL have not corrected the timeline error. That Dede had not seen TMH since March, 2010.
Makes me think whomever wrote it (the authorship is a generic “the Oregonian”) did not even take time to read your article here.
However, they did not discredit the authenticity of the interview. Nor did Kgw. But I’m thinking that you talked with Kyle in advance.
I wondered, and was a bit chagrined that Dede and her lawyer did NOT comment when the Oregonian contacted them.
But now I think that it is probably best – judging by the extreme nay-say reactions of some. Even DY…if that was her on the Anti page.
It’s rather ironic, isn’t it? For years we have been hearing that TMH or Dede is guilty because they are not talking.
Yet when one of them does, clears herself and tells all….she is guilty because she waited to long, or didn’t perform a sting on someone she feels is not a criminal, or didn’t answer questions during the depo (on her lawyer’s insistence), or even got a lawyer at all, or stayed with TMH in the first place.
Therefore, even though she has been cleared, she is guilty all over again….because TMH’s arrest did not happen?
I’m sure some of them have re-opened the Anti-Dede page that they closed when they heard she was testifying to a Grand Jury.
All this is neither here nor there in terms of how really insignificant these people are.
But the important thing is that neither Dede nor her parents nor her lawyer want to talk to the mainstream media, IMO and with some thought, because they KNOW that the media is what started these witchhunts in the first place. And that is very sad. Because the mainstream media could have, and still could with some guts, make it known that they are going to insist on real answers from MCSO and the biological parents or they will not cover the story.
Those guts are not in place as far as DeDe and counsel are concerned. I think that is fair based on their past coverage and as I saw Mr. McCain’s soundbite, KTU- I again see why. Spicher, at least to me, is adamant that she will not comment on, or speak to the O whatsoever.
I have heard some fair arguments of local media that I have passed on to DDS on her behalf, but I would be surprised if she speaks locally. This is one of those times that “the scoop” that the MSM was seemingly aligning with DY and TH has alienated them. I do agree that as an independent journalist I have liberties they do not, and I have expressed that, but I also think DeDe has a great handle on what feeds the beast.
Her story is her story, imo, not to be diluted, but that is her call.
B
Hi all,
It is true that DeDe and I spent some time on the phone, during the period that we thought LE was potentially listening in, repeatedly commenting on the fact that they were wasting their time pursuing DeDe. In fact, we talked about it quite a lot, attempting to get the point across, and during many of those conversations we made some jokes and had some laughs, because that is what we do. We laugh as much as possible, especially when things are particularly bad — say, when one of us is suspected of committing a crime. We had every desire that Kyron be found, and we certainly were not trying to mislead LE or waste their time, only to point out that they were wasting their own time. Obviously I expressed it badly on whatever forum that conversation happened. Apologies all around. Blink, thank you for publishing DeDe’s story and supporting her. She truly is my best friend and deserves to be out from under all of the suspicion and anger she has endured for the past three years. I appreciate your efforts on her behalf.
Fly- I appreciate you weighing in. I would note to readers that you are who you say you are, based on my access to admin at SM, and I did not reach out to you in any way to post here. Thank You for your kind words and thoughts.
B
Ha ha, good belly laugh here …
Rose has worn out the F5 button on the keyboard and so is appealing to the compassionate side of Blink to get the next piece posting!
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@Rose
You imo owe it to Ms Spicher to publish a new piece on Monday to
remove her from the psychotic focus & comment of the disturbed.
Let them move on to new vics & turf asap.
LOL she throws it around here behind that veil or shall we say rosebush?
B
Ms. Blink
I have been following this case for years and I’m so glad that you have stuck with it. I am so impressed with your talents and have prayed for little Kyron for so long now. Ever since I first saw the family on tv I have felt that TMH was being rail roaded and this whole tragedy could have been avoided if LE would have opened their eyes to others. This was a wonderful interview and I really think with your perseverance this case may actually get solved one of these days.
God Bless you and keep up the great work you do on this case and the many others that you are working on.
Thank you kindly Bonnie B and welcome to BOC
B
Sorry Rose … I should have said worn out Candy Crush
@wpg apolligies to you, i know your post wasnt directed at me. I havent posted in a while and when i read your post my posts that followed were me thinking out loud ie:
is it possible that what ms spicher is saying could be true, and if so how?
i am very glad you are on this forum, asking the questions you do. otherwise it could become like other forums and sites where everyone takes everything said unquestioned and becomes polorized with “we know so and so did it”, or conversley, “we know she didnt do it, no one can question us” i wish sassifrass was on here too.
i hope my comments were taken as i intended, not sure still who is telling the truth because of lack of evidense. i have been reduced to trying to see who is ommiting or outright contradicting themselves in this case.
i am waiting on public statement from ms spichers atty to see if he confirms her statements. no offence intended to ms. spicher, i think she can understand that if what she has said is true then le has done a good job of maligning her charector and pple are still wondering.
Blink, you are very patient. Clearly there are those who are not reading and comprehending your answers, which are very clear. You have answered the same questions over and over, saying the same thing. How frustrated must DDS have been when she was doing the same thing as you, but the rumors were still flying. When she was doing as asked, but hearing she was not. The density out there is astounding.
For those willing to keep an open mind (the shift in this roller coaster ride from one idea to another can result in falling to the ground and bumping one’s heads–hard) the view is astounding.
As for saying on the phone that LE was fumbling the case, it was not wasting LE’s time, it was throwing them the wet towel of truth.
In regards to Terri talking about hair right after Kyron was missing. I can tell you, as the someone who people call when they are upset, they often talk about anything but what they are upset about until they calm down enough to be able to spit out just what it is they wanted to say to begin with. There can be a logical reason for being illogical, we also call it high talk/no talk. It helps calm you down and helps your get back in your head, so you can then get to the problem. You cannot be in the emotional side of your brain and the thinking side of your brain at the same time.
We think we can predict what we would act like when a child, one who we have taken care of for most of his life, is suddenly missing, but the truth is, we can’t. Even if it happened to someone, how they acted with one child in one situation may be different than how they would act when another child was missing in another situation. We are not textbooks, we are people, we all react differently. The way one person reacts is not the way everyone reacts. In fact, I know someone who would start talking about something totally irrelevant. She needed to do so until she could calm down. In a case of high stress, it could cause people to say and do things that would make no sense to anyone else. We all have our ways of refocusing or bringing ourselves back to earth. It can be twirling our hair, clicking a pen, talking nonsense, taking a drive, smoking a cigarette, having a drink, etc. You cannot be in the thinking side of your brain and the emotional side of your brain at the same time. In a place where your body is reacting emotionally you are not thinking or talking rationally. You just can’t do it. We may not even remember what we were talking about, strange things can just come out of your mouth. Words, that in hindsight, you would surely take back
Dear Blink,
I am confused about Ms. Spicher’s immunity agreement. You write that the agreement “…included neither party discussing that [Ms. Spicher] had testified before the grand jury.” When Ms. Spicher discloses to you that she has appeared before the GJ, isn’t she violating the agreement?
Stan, welcome to BOC
I actually learned Ms. Spicher appeared before the grand jury like everyone else- through Mr. Rosenthal.
So, no.
B
to my detriment i am much more opinionated than wpg and would have just come out and said: were you feeding info to your cousin and flywhatever lol
i also might have said, ‘did it ever occur to you that taking the poly anyway would have sped up this investigation ms spicher’ except that it is obvious to me that if she had taken the poly 3 yrs ago people that thought she was involved would say “aha! we knew it!” and people that thought she wasnt involved would say “she was under duress and polys are unreliable” thats why polys are inadmissable in court they dont tell the truth always. its my opinion that pass or failing the poly back then wouldnt have changed le’s opinions or the publics either. if what ms spicher has shared here is true then le would perhaps back then said she was a very calculated unemotional accomplice that managed to fool the polly and they may have still been preoccupied with trying to prove her involvement. instead of, you know, telling the public that kyron horman left the skyline campus in broad daylight with an unidentified male. curious that they have never mentioned that.
Thanks for the link Rose.
More mess for the county. Not much real information about the reason for the investigation.
Do you think this may have some connection with the lack of success in solving Kyron’s abduction? When there is bad behavior at the top, there often is similar behavior down the chain.
VP
Thank you for the kind words and concern. It is truly my own fault, I do not know how to scale back when I should and often forget I have left my 20′s, LOL.
I have acknowledged the issue and and am following DR the letter.
That said, I have decided bobsledding is the answer
In my friend circle, I am the constant winner of the most ecclectic ipod playlist. I was fortunate to grow up in a home where music was playing constantly, as we sang along loudly. My gram was a concert violinist, but I later learned she was not a fan of it so we were not the musicians I have no doubt your family is, has been.
I almost suggested the TRAIN remake of a fave John Denver song I used to sing with my Daddy with those ginormous headphones on. When I want to mellow, I am an Adagio for strings, New Zealand Orchestra gal.
When the babes were little and napping late morning, I was a welcome slave to Pachobel Cannon in D. In fact, it fits my criteria of stopping and feeling wherever I am. It will always remind of that calm and accomplished joy of my weejuns going into their nap as I ran around, thinking the time would never come so I could breathe and clean up, lol and then tap my finger waiting for them to wake and see those little peepers so happy to see me. Now that, is joy.
Thanks all for allowing the O/T to ATG
B
i was wondering a couple things.
if le/da doesnt promptly ‘officially’ clear dede, would she consider filing suit to clear her name? with the over reaching of the origonal warrant, frink’s statements (with her councel being present) about incriminating her if she doesnt take the poly or give.info they believe she has, rosenthal leaking info about her gj participation, the intimidation of alleged tax evasion, and the demeaning statements about her sexuality, le telling her not to tell her lawyer about the proposed sting, wouldnt it be a pretty winnable suit?
i will say that i have no reason to not believe that ms spicher is telling the truth, i have actually known of personally even worse bulleying by le combined with da and judges that resulted in several people being imprisoned until their appeals reached out of the county involved.
i am shocked that in 2013 herron krafve went right back to dede’s whereabouts. this case has truly gone nowhere and i cant see why le wont change their focus. if not for tmh/dd having lawyers i think that if le got a confession from either of them it would be thrown out because of 3 years of intimidation/coersion. its possible that if they hadnt had lawyers one or both of them even being innocent would have confessed to anything just to make the public /private smear stop. thats what bothers me. le tactics that would ruin a case even if they found the right suspects.
i was also wondering if dede would be willing to comment on anything else that she was asked during the gj testimony, such as the 2 weeks (about) that she spent at tmh’s and what they discussed about the case and if they really talked outside the house as
reported or if that was another rumor. and if she was asked questions about anyone that might have aided tmh in abducting kyron, or anything about a unrelated sz? (i’m trying to see if le indicated anything that might suggest they were looking at any other possibilities.)
as a side note i have alot of le that i admire and respect, its just (kinda like the tmh accusations in this case), the mcso is kinda looking suspiscious!
vw@11:07
I LIKE YOUR POST! Absolutely!
I’m probably missing something, but considering that DDS [said she]hardly ever saw TMH before June 4, 2010, it seems that suddenly after that date the two of them became closer friends and talked more often. Am I following this correctly?
What was it that re-opened that friendship, if that’s what it was. And so…. as I get it, they became re-acquainted after Kyron was lost. Did they become closer friends afterwards? –if not, why did she feel the need to take that notorious 5th amendment? especially if they weren’t really friends.
What am i missing here that doesn’t seem to add up, or are my perceptions just plain wrong. TIA. Regardless, it’s commendable that she finally spoke out and maybe this will be a step in the right direction to finding KYron Thank you, DDS.
@ATG, Does your gut say why? My husband who deciphers character within moments, and hasn’t been wrong in the 30 years we’ve been married, has the same gut feeling as you. I know there are people who will think I am suggesting KH has something to do with Kyron’s disappearance. I am not speaking for or against that. I am searching for the potential motivations of a father to start and, or perpetuate untruths and partial truths in a case where his son is missing and wondering if they extend beyond his “cooperation” with LE?
A Texas Gramdfather says:
September 6, 2013 at 4:24 pm
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Without proof, I have a gut feeling that KH is the key person for most of the interjected untruths and partial truths.
I think I may have at least a plausible theory on that in the continuation piece, erose & ATG
B
I’m just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don’t let me be misunderstood. – The Animals
Ohmmmm…
@redrose, from the lady with the spindliest David Austins in the region, as I read the interview, these woman had each other’s phone nos when Terri texted, altho they had had no contact since the birthday party Kaine stuck DD with organizing. A married & single woman whose only suggested commonality in the press was the gym.
When hit with RO, I read TMH reached out to text possibly the person in her rolodex she deemed a combo of very smart, very generous, and very available–one who also been recently subject to Kaine’s taking advantage.
Friendship does not mean an ongoing social relationship. On rare occasions I reach out to the smartest, most generous, most professionally successful women I know–nursery school parents from 16 yrs ago.
we consider each other friends tho having no ongoing social relationship.
It reads like DDS responded to a case of need & a request for help only until Houze took over TH’s “case management,” proscribed contact, and the need for contact was over.
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About the suggestion DDS could or should meet with DY. If someone who is distraught fixates on you with unusual thinking, you not only do not meet with them & allow their fixation to heighten, you quietly disappear asap from their attention, hoping their preoccupation with you will lessen. That is one reason why we serve the investigation and DY/DDS from moving on from the topic of DDS asap. To keep on this topic defocuses DY from realistic thinking.
sometimes I feel like all the adults in this case need child protective services (protection) on their own behalf
It has seemed to come to that, yes.
B
Kafoury, the Comish touted to run for Cogen’s seat in 2014, did not endorse Staton nor appear at recent Union picnic which 20+ pols kowtowed at.
endorsements list:
http://www.dan-staton.com/about/endorsements.php
Staton & Cogen, frequent policy partners, examples:
http://www.seiu503.org/2013/01/20-hour-sit-in-comes-to-end-community-victory-creates-path-to-eviction-moratorium/http://www.portlandoccupier.org/2013/04/12/cooler-heads-prevail-as-county-finally-cracks-old-ice-agreement/
p6 http://community.nicic (dot) gov/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/national_5F00_jail_5F00_exchange.metablogapi/1185.How_2D00_a_2D00_Jail_2D00_is_2D00_Making_5F00_044F9506.pdf
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Underhill’s endorsements, Sherrifs galore
http://www.rodunderhillforda.com/supporters/
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interesting articles on WW’s News Blog
http://www.wweek.com/portland/m/blog-30613-mobile.html#_Article
(oregonian booted from rented city hall space.)
Sam Adams still making news
http://www.wweek.com/portland/m/blog-30616-mobile.html#_Article
PS. I made the moving on suggestion only due to the tenor of DY’s purported online response, which appears to have resulted in the Anti-DDS FB page once again spewing venom & threats.
We should not underestimate the potential activities of disturbed people.
@redrose
I can understand DDS urge to come to TMHs aid after 6/4. Maybe it’s a personality type some dont understand who are not that type.
This past June, my 8 year sons good friend from school lost his stepdad suddenly to suicide. While I didn’t know this boys mom, I stopped by her house after just learning of the news while having lunch with my son at school. Again, I think I may have only spoken to her before maybe 2-3 times seeing her at a bday party or school function. But I felt this burning need to help her; offer whatever she may need to make it thru the next few months. We took her son that weekend to the beach to try an give him a nice distraction from the chaos at home.
However, the more I spent the next few weeks with this mom, the more I realized how little we had in common and she would not be the type I’d want to hang around as a ‘friend’. I still would help her if she needed it because life for some can be really hard, or really suck, and I hope in some small way my aid can bring some comfort to someone in need, even if I may not really care for that person.
That’s how I see and relate to DDS’ offering help to TH. and with all the scrutiny once TH became the focus, I too would have stayed away after that.
Good tune Erose
Well, now I have another earworm. Went from Morrison to Burdon, thanks alot! (And my turntable is broken!)
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@cd says:
September 6, 2013 at 9:52 pm
I agree 100%, in regards to Dede taking a poly at that time.
What people seem to forget is that Dede Spicher, unlike the other friends who bought the bat phones, had a certain time period, that LE could not verify where she was. I would suggest that had the other friends had the same time period or any time that was within Terri’s unaccounted-for-time, they too would have become as Dede did, a defacto suspect accomplice. In fact, one of them might have because I recall their home being searched.
When LE realized that Terri Horman could not have taken Kyron from that school, they were desperate to find an accomplice. They still are.
Ya’ll recall that one of the friends who purchased the bat phones, said it was a stupid move and she wouldn’t have done it again. Why would she say it was stupid? Because it made LE think she was an accomplice, that’s why. Same happened to Dede, she just was the one with some unaccounted for time, and when she moved in with Terri, well, that was LE’s icing on the cake. (Remember, the bat phones weren’t purchased until after Kaine moved out of the home, and the flyer with Dede’s face on it, didn’t hit the news until August 10,2010.)
When LE realized that Terri Horman could not have taken Kyron from that school, they were desperate to find an accomplice. They still are.
That’s what I think anyway.
Oy. The elbow and thumb were from the bike. On a funny note, ( cause I have lived to tell about it) I use GPS apps (maps and progress to a db) to track my ride and you can see exactly where I took a spill and all. Now, that’s funny. Thanks for the giggle Ode.
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If truth be told those following you with our shortened F5 left pointer finger could probably pinpoint the time the said spill took place by hits of the familiar F5 key. Now back to the discussions on hand. Heal fast we need you typing at optimal speed.
So much for cut/copy/paste, sorry I said that twice, but it is my emphasis anyway. LOL
LOL, I didn’t realize F5 refreshed, I just click the pretty little blue arrow in FF.
Rose says:
September 6, 2013 at 4:07 pm
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Here is a major part of the investigation’s problems, neither bio has had an attorney for the investigation or for liaison with DA/MCSO Qs and briefings, tho we’ve urged it here for years. I aleays thought Kaine too frugal & controlling & Desired too poor perhaps, & reliant on Tony. Or maybe they just feared an attorney would signal guilt to mcso.
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Rose, I was under the impression that Kaine Horman was using Intel’s attorneys on June 5, 2010, as well as following their direction. I could be wrong.
bearlyhere says:
September 7, 2013 at 12:34 am
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Twirling your hair and flicking your pen in times of high stress is completely different than sexting your husbands buddy for six days only three weeks after your stepson has gone missing. IMO that is beyond any reaction considered within the realm of ‘dealing’ unless you have a mental health issue.
My sister died suddenly and under suspicious circumstances. We all dealt with it in very different ways. Only one person was nonchalant and casual during the ordeal and that was the man who we suspected and still suspect had something to do with her death. None of us, I can promise you, cared what color our hair was and certainly not within one or two days of her death.
Also, because other people have a differing opinion than you does not make them dense. Differing opinions and perceptions are helpful in keeping topics balanced and considering all sides is an act of objective intelligence.
I don’t think it behooves anyone to throw out the baby with the bath water. Yes, LE has tried desperately to pin this on Terri. We do not know why so should we now completely discount that she may have information on what happened to Kyron? Not in my opinion. Should LE, media, and others consider all possibilities. Sure. Other possibilities have been tossed around here for the last three plus years. IMO it is still okay to consider Terri Horman’s actions leading up to and during the abduction.
Dede’s interview put her actions and day in perspective and was greatly helpful in shedding light on how desperate LE has become. As Blink said, that’s the big issue here, how does LE move this investigation forward?