Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation EXCLUSIVE: Terri Horman Friend DeDe Spicher Breaks Her Silence After Passing Polygraph- Requests DA Clear Her Publicly
A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation. ©
S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime
Lea Conner, Attorney- contributing editor, and, legal analyst
DeDe Spicher
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In the days following the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman from the Skyline School on June 4th, 2010, Terri Horman’s inner circle of friends, family and associates—casual acquaintances, shop clerks, and gym employees—were deluged by law enforcement.
Word spread quickly that law enforcement was after anyone who knew, might have known, or had any dealings with Terri Horman. The term used to describe law enforcement’s behavior toward potential witnesses was “bullying. ”
As the president of her former condominium owner’s association, DeDe Spicher was involved in helping the association with litigation against the condo’s builder. Spicher had a working relationship with the association’s legal team, and one afternoon, she casually mentioned the investigation into Kyron’s disappearance to the association’s legal team. Although DeDe had not been contacted by law enforcement, counsel for her condo association recommended to DeDe that, in light of what DeDe had heard about the investigation, if law enforcement were to contact her, she should agree to interview only with counsel present. She asked the attorney to sit in if that happened, to which he agreed. He quickly referred Spicher to attorney Chad Stavley.
With a search warrant in hand for electronic devices only, to which DeDe directed investigators, law enforcement proceeded to search her entire home. Multnomah County Detective Keith Krafve asked Spicher to answer some questions.
DeDe said she replied, “I would be happy to answer any and all questions you have but I would like to do so in the presence of counsel. ”
Law enforcement, in turn, began a prolonged and highly orchestrated effort to bully DeDe Spicher.
When I first introduced myself to Ms. Spicher, I offered my apologies for what she had been through and told her that in my personal opinion, she had been unfairly maligned, if not persecuted. I thanked her for her trust of me to tell her story. Ms. Spicher paid me some kind compliments on my coverage of Kyron’s case to date.
I found her extremely bright, animated and witty, with a charmingly confident , and self-deprecating sense of expression.
I also found Ms. Spicher to be very naive, even now, as to the standards, protocols and practices utilized by law enforcement.
I can’t say that I blame Ms. Spicher for trusting law enforcement so blindly. The fact is, she grew up around law enforcement but saw very little about the actual workings of an investigation. Ms. Spicher is the daughter of a well-respected—now retired—deputy with the Klamath Falls Sheriff’s Office.
At times, I found myself questioning if I would be able to exhibit the sort of resilience this woman has. Probably not.
I found DeDe Spicher to be unwavering as to her account of events on June 4th, 2010, and ensuing dates.
It was only a few weeks ago, during a meeting with MCSO detectives Mark Herron and Keith Krafve , investigators unofficially cleared DeDe Spicher of any involvement in Kyron’s disappearance or of having any knowledge of anyone elses. She is hopeful that Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill will issue a public statement from his office clearing her officially.
To date, neither the Multnomah County Sheriffs Office nor the DA’s office has publicly declared any persons cleared in the active investigation.
DeDe is adamant that she was not involved, nor did she ever see anything that led her to believe Terri Horman was involved.
DeDe spoke freely and without hesitation as to the relentless harassment she experienced at the hands of law enforcement.
However, DeDe is adamant that she does not want this piece to express any sort of “pity DeDe” perspective. She does not want anyone to feel sorry for her.
DeDe hopes that by speaking publicly, the public’s curiosity will be satisfied, and the focus of the investigation into Kyron’s disappearance can return to an actual investigation.
This is her story.
In Her Own Words
“. . . On a positive note, I have met some really nice people out of all this, so that’s how I choose to look at it. I can’t control other people’s actions or opinions about me…”
“I did not know anything’ I never knew anything ;and I could not get them (law enforcement) to believe me for over three years. ”
“. . . Since the investigation started, I believe they were able to narrow the time I was supposedly missing [never was, never left the property] but they never shared that with me and have not to this day. . ”
“. . . There was no communication between Terri and I since her birthday party in March [2010], and we had only been in touch the December before that [in 2009]. Terri and I were not best buds. I think that was something investigators were really hung up on. They could not understand that I would rush to someone’s aid that on the surface was a more casual friend. They saw that as behavior of someone that had something to hide, or as a motive of some kind…”
What investigators believed that motive was, they certainly never shared with DeDe Spicher.
No Reid School Alum
Investigators pummeled DeDe from the very start: You were missing at the same time that we can’t pin down Terri Horman’s whereabouts. Why did Terri pick you up? Did someone else pick you up and bring you back? We know you left the property, we have proof.
These are questions demanded from DeDe Spicher over and over again, for three straight years. No matter what she did to try to accommodate law enforcement–and she and her attorney Chad Stavely went through extraordinary means by any standards to assist law enforcement–investigators refused to believe she had no knowledge of the circumstances of Kyron’s disappearance. Until now.
DeDe Spicher’s story has never wavered.
DeDe arrived at her job at Westwind Farm Studio–a sprawling and lush forty-plus acre property scheduled to be on the Garden Conservatory Tour the next day. She parked at the main house, left her cell phone which was turned on, and her lunch cooler in her Ford Explorer.
She went inside the main house to check in for her assignment, and for the first time since working there, she was invited to lunch with the others at the house. There was no time set. The invitation was open-ended and she believed based on the timing of her project completions at the opposite end of the property. This was Spicher’s customary daily routine. Her duties in preparation for the garden tour took her to the end of the grounds for the bulk of the morning, near the road. Where she was working, bent over in tall grasses and vegetation is not visible from the main house.
Spicher was not wearing a watch nor carrying her cell phone, and headed to the house for lunch after completing work on one section of the property. When she arrived, she was told that Ms. Hockensmith tried calling DeDe’s name outside when everyone was ready for lunch. When DeDe did not respond and could not be seen from the main house, Ms. Hockensmith also called DeDe’s cell phone. Spicher said she apologized and explained her project’s location and status, and then sat down to eat. DeDe resumed her work day to completion. Her cell phone records confirm this account.
On one occasion, at the request of law enforcement , Spicher agreed to walk the property and demonstrate her activities that day. During one reenactment,, a female investigator attempted to mimic Hockensmith’s “lunch call” while Spicher was out near the property line. Spicher heard the investigator’s call.
“I heard that person that day. They never told me where she was standing, I just know I could not see her which is easy to do if you saw the grounds. I don’t know why I never heard the property owner that day except to say I try to be very mindful when I am working, and gardening is a love of mine I tend to immerse in. It was the first time I was invited to lunch and was looking forward to sharing the meal on break. Had I heard her, I would have stopped immediately and headed in. It was a nice treat. ”
It sounded like an innocent explanation. I asked DeDe why investigators did not believe her.
She responded: I was repeatedly questioned, hounded,my home and belongings were taken and searched for some time. Law enforcement kept telling me in interviews I agreed to participate in, by the way, that the only way to clear myself was to take a polygraph, which my attorney advised me not to. Since I had been told by Terri that she was told she failed when she was adamant that she was being truthful, I had no desire to be set up like that. I do not know to this day if Terri actually failed any polygraphs or law enforcement just told her they did. I know that once she told me that [investigators claimed she failed her polygraph], my advice to her was that she should not speak to anyone without an attorney, but she continued to ignore it, I think for a few more days. As I recall, I don’t think I was the only person or friend telling her that.
Editors Note: blinkoncrime.com has been able to confirm through an independent source which does not wish to be identified publicly, that Terri Horman was referred to her criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze via a family friend and attorney located in Bend, Oregon. Subsequently, Kaine Horman requested a search of the Bend attorney’s property, and indicated that Kyron may have gone there.
It was either completely naive or bold for Spicher to submit to a polygraph under those conditions. She was, by her own account, telling the truth, and then being punished for it.
However, investigators were adamant at “proving” a theory that Spicher left the Westwind Farm. I asked, “Considering there is absolutely no communication between you and anyone else, and you are working on a 40-acre farm on this day, wouldn’t it be true that the theory had to be that. . . ? ”
Spicher interrupted: Yes, that Terri swung by and picked me up for some reason, or some other unknown person. ”
The problem with that theory is that it required another person who was not at the farm to know where Spicher was working that day come meet her, without being seen by anyone else, and without communication with anyone else.
Spicher: “On several occasions,I reminded investigators that there was a witness to where I was working on that property on June 4th 2010, which I surmise would complete whatever timeline holes they thought I had. This has never been released publicly, but there was also an artisan show/market sale on the property the next day. There were a few vendors in and out of the property that day, but I remembered one specifically while I was working near the road that morning. I was there when he dropped off his pots/pottery and whatever else he had to show or sell. ”
The artist/driver who delivered his pottery was in his late twenties to early thirties and drove a red pick up. .
Stoy: So law enforcement knew that there was a witness from day one, that could corroborate your logistics on the property and approximate timing, is that correct?
Spicher: YES!I did not know the man’s name or the name of his creations or anything, and when I asked law enforcement for the information to provide my attorney they refused to even say if they spoke to him, or if they had, if they were now satisfied I was where I said I was and at what time. They declined to provide it to my attorney as well, and by that time Ms. Hockensmith had an attorney as well so I was not permitted to just call and ask her. I even went to the Saturday market a few times to see if I could locate him myself.
Stoy: Why did Ms. Hockensmith need an attorney if you know?
Spicher: I assume it was because all kinds of people were showing up at her property and pounding on the gates, etc. She was hounded by the media for weeks, and all because she gave me a job. I was horrified for her. All because of me.
Stoy: Was there any connection between Hockensmith and the Hormans?
Spicher: Not that I am aware of, they were on completely different socio-economic levels and their kids went to a French American School, not Skyline. I would not even know where they would bump into each other.
Stoy: Has anyone ever mentioned to you whether Hockensmith hired Rudy Sanchez at any time?
Spicher: No. Did she?
Stoy: I am going to need to check my archives on that one, I thought so but I could be confusing her with a different property owner.
(Editors Note: Hockensmith’s friend and fellow farm-owner Jean Ann Von Krevelen did hire RS Landscaping Maintenence. DeDe Spicher was interning with Ms. Von Krevelen, and was referred to Maryellen Hockensmith to work on her property. It was not to be a paid position as Ms. Spicher was willing to ‘work for her sweat” to learn all she could at the time. Spicher said she has never met Rodolpho (Rudy) Sanchez nor has she observed him on either property. )
Frink or Fink- You Decide
So how does a casual friend such as Spicher become elevated to Terri Horman’s lifeline to the outside world, only to turn into the number two suspect in a de facto criminal investigation of Terri Horman?
Frink-in’ thinkin’.
Norman W. Frink, longtime chief deputy district attorney for Multnomah County, was former District Attorney Mike Schrunk’s right hand man. While no longer in office and the DA assignments to Kyron’s investigations are new,there are strong reverbations from the previous administration.
Stoy: You mentioned that law enforcement accused you of wasting their resources and distracting the investigation. In what way did they mean or how did they explain that to you?
Spicher: First it was Chief ADA Norm Frink who said I was wasting their time and resources by not “cooperating,” by which he meant “take their poly[graph]. ” That was just a couple of days before news first broke about my “involvement,” and was all part of his blackmailing me.
Stoy: How do you mean blackmailing you,the DA? Frink?
Spicher: Yes. We were in a meeting/interview and. .
Stoy: Was your attorney present?
Spicher: Yes. Sitting right there. Frink said that we do not think you had anything to do with this, but we do think you have information about Terri Horman’s involvement, and we do think she is involved. Either you take our polygraph, or provide the information we believe you have, or, I don’t care, we will tell the family that we do think you’re involved.
Stoy: What was your response?
Spicher: I said that I understood the need for them to do what they had to do, but that I was not going to tell them something that was not true. I did not really expect them to say something they knew to be false. They did. The next day, my name was released to the press by Desiree Young and Kaine Horman. It was a statement about me not cooperating and I think advising others not to or words to that effect.
Stoy: I am not sure I even know how to respond to that, or if I should during the interview. For me, that is tantamount to telling you that were looking at facing an indictment of your own. I think a reasonable conclusion by someone in your position would have been that you could expect to be arrested for something they knew you did not do, regardless of what it was, to further a case that they seemingly had no evidence in. Again, I find you courageous to have ever had another meeting with any law enforcement officer or DA in this case. I think it would have been very, very easy to say, “Eff this. They are not going to find Kyron with anything I have to offer because I do not know anything, and they are not going to find him by putting words in my mouth against anyone else. I need to protect myself. ” You never did that. Courageous.
Spicher: Thank you, but I really don’t feel courageous. To me courage is when one does something for which they have a great deal of fear. Mostly, I haven’t been afraid, which is what pissed law enforcement off from the very beginning. The one time I was afraid was after the ADA tried to blackmail me and I began to realize I might have to live in a world where the truth didn’t matter. I was not courageous at all in facing that fear.
Stoy: I am not an attorney but based on what you are telling me I don’t see how that is construed as anything but blackmail. He unilaterally gave you 2 choices. Both of which were in contradiction to your 5th amendment rights considering he was ready to make a public criminal allegation about you- does not matter to whom it was.
On the following day, July 22, 2010 Norm Frink made good on his threat to DeDe Spicher.
From The Oregonian, Maxine Bernstein
In a statement late tonight, Kaine Horman and Kyron’s mother, Desiree Young, and Desiree’s husband, Tony Young, said they had been briefed by law enforcement and believe Spicher is hampering the investigation. They implored her to cooperate.
“She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son,” the statement said. “Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron’s disappearance, not to cooperate as well. ”
In one fell swoop DeDe Spicher was the Richard Jewell of Portland, courtesy of Norm Frink.
Nothing grand about the grand jury
Dede Spicher was called before the first grand jury in July 2010. She was never asked any questions. I asked her if she had any information on that grand juries status and whether or not a true bill was sought, sought and denied, suspended, or dismissed.
Spicher: I don’t know any of that, but I believe that it was an election year and it was all DA strategy. I think they called me to scare Terri Horman and maybe Rudy Sanchez.
Stoy: Why do you say Rudy Sanchez? He testified as well, so that has a layer of at least limited use immunity and for all we know he had a separate agreement for what is called transactional immunity. I have no information on that though, he has never responded to my requests for interview.
Spicher: I don’t know, I just know that he is who Terri felt was involved. His name never came up until Terri was asked who had been on the property that was not a friend or relative.
DeDe was again subpoenad to appear before the grand jury on July 10, 2013. She felt that it was her impression that law enforcement and the DA were running out of time due to the civil suit and divorce case, and she read that the grand jury was extended for 6 months previously and about to expire. At the time, the civil case Desiree Young filed against Terri Horman and has since withdrawn was about to resume. A stay had been granted in November 2012, a month before a scheduled hearing to compel further deposition of Spicher in that matter.
DeDe assumed that what she did not know might, potentially, help the investigation by potentially shifting focus away from red herrings as to her knowledge of events. The problem now for Spicher was that the prosecutor had already demonstrated to her that it was not above using almost any means or tactics, and at the time she had concerns that even her own lawyer believed she was telling the truth. Stavley advised her to tell the truth, tell everything she knew. She did, repeatedly.
Stoy: So, you get a subpoena once again to appear before the grand jury. Detectives are telling you to your face they do not believe you. The prosecutor [Frink] has demonstrated he does not believe you. According to what you have shared with me so far, you question if your own attorney believes you. How lonely of a place was that? I think most people would have been completely terrified. How did you cope with your fear?
Spicher: You know I was terrified. It seemed like every time law enforcement would ask me for something, I would provide it, and it was like a fresh new hell each time. It was not going away. I could not even read about the case or discuss it with anyone other than my parents because it was absolutely clear to me that the public now believed I was the obstacle to either solving the case or arresting Terri to solve the case and/or find Kyron and I knew that to be false. The truth did not matter to anyone. I was told this so often I began to even question myself. I won’t forget a conversation I had with a detective about whether or not I was unconsciously suppressing information I did not know I had. I mean, imagine my response to that. I said, well if I am suppressing something, then I think that means I have to wait for it to enter my conscious by way of my subconscious and if and when it does, I would certainly let you know.
Stoy: So what were they suggesting? Hypnosis?
Spicher: No. Although I am not sure I would not have preferred that. My attorney had advised against taking a polygraph. I believed Terri back in June 2010 when she said she was telling the truth and they told her that the lie detector test was saying she was lying and I also knew that even if I agreed to it, that law enforcement was under no obligation to tell me if I passed or failed and even if they did tell me, that I COULD trust that information to be correct. For me, it was not going to be an end to this because I knew that I had been telling the truth and that was not what anyone wanted to hear so what was verifying that going to get me? It was more like the potential beginning of a fresh new hell.
DeDe absolutely believed that her impending grand jury appearance was designed to result in her facing some sort of charge for something that investigators believed would lead her to ultimately implicate Terri Horman in Kyron’s disappearance. In fact, she was told that what was an honest tax mistake/error on her part after she ended up being paid a nominal amount by Mrs. Hockensmith but never received a 1099, could end up placing her in hot water. The Capone tactic for a woman that took the job with the understanding that it was not a paid endeavor and when Ms. Hockensmith told Spicher she wanted to compensate her she declined. Hockensmith insisted.
On this basis, DeDe was advised to and agreed to an immunity deal. The terms of which are under seal and Spicher nixed discussing citing a verbal agreement she made until such time as it is unsealed.
A source inside the investigation who does not wish to be identified as they are not authorized to speak publicly on the case- has confirmed that Spicher’s agreement includes provisions that she continue to cooperate with law enforcement as needed, be available to testify in any proceedings, and to take a polygraph.
Spicher declined to say to whom she committed to not discuss the agreement but that it also included neither party discussing that she had testified before the grand jury.
It would appear that Ms. Spicher is the only one keeping up her end of the bargain as Attorney Rosenthal announced publicly that DeDe Spicher had testified- a fact that to this day she has no idea how he came by that information.
Spicher appeared before the grand jury for five and a half hours on July 10, 2013.
Because grand jury proceedings are secret, and the DA, grand jurors, and state court personnel are barred from discussing the goings on, the only person who can speak to a witness’ testimony is the witness. In this case, the grand jury witness is DeDe Spicher.
Stoy: So before we get into the particulars, could you sum up those hours in the room at all- would you compare it to the civil deposition you endured by Desiree Young’s attorney Mr. Rosenthal?
Spicher: (laughs) No. It was far more comprehensive. I am referring to the civil deposition.
Stoy: When asked about your weight, you were far more reserved and eloquent than I would have been. . . . If someone asked me my weight at a deposition, I would have said I did not know but would be glad to sit on him and let him guess.
Spicher: I know, right? Not me, I am direct, I had nothing to hide, and I was not intimidated in the least.
Stoy: So without telling me what questions you were asked specifically, what would you characterize as your testimony ?
Spicher: They were obsessed with my sexuality. Was I a lesbian,what were my thoughts on homosexuals: Did I ever have a threesome with anyone, with Kaine and Terri, etc. I was thinking if I were a juror, I would be like, what does this have to do with anything? I answered every question respectfully and honestly but my takeaway is that some folks still have a hard time believing that I would rush to a friend’s aid if we had not been in contact, or particularly close in the first place. I responded that when your friend texts “I need you now,” I got in my car and headed over there. There was never a question in my mind. Even if I knew that everything that happened to me over the last 3 years would happen all over again, I would do the same thing today. That’s what friends do. I also testified when it was clear that sentiment was not shared by some, that I certainly was hopeful that they never needed a friend “immediately”.
Because of the travel time ,Spicher requested that since investigators wanted to give her the polygraph in Portland, that they schedule it for the day after the grand jury. It was easier for her to extend her time in Portland than to have to return again. They agreed.
Upon arrival, although Spicher was prepared for, and extended her visit to take the polygraph as committed, she was told that they had decided that because she was on the stand for such a grueling afternoon the day before that they never want to give anyone a polygraph after such an experience- as it might skew the results. She made a mental note that they had told her previously that one’s emotional state and exhaustion level are taken into consideration in a polygraph. In other words, while investigators were telling her Terri Horman previously failed her polygraphs, and she asked them if that could have been due to the fact that she went through hours and hours of interviews just prior to the exams, investigators now had a different story.
Herron Hamster Wheel
Mark Herron and Keith Krafve began the interview the same exact way they had for years.
“We still can’t seem to put together the right timeline from when you were at the property. ” And on again it went. Spicher continued the interview as she had agreed to, but informed them that if this was her time use that to perform the polygraph they would need to travel to Klamath Falls on their own dime.
They did just that. DeDe Spicher passed the polygraph administered by the same Gresham sheriff’s deputy who administered the polygraph exam to Terri Horman. Spicher says in particular, Mark Herron was jubilant. She said it was like a party atmosphere. Spicher was verklempt:
‘Well, I am happy that you are happy, I guess, but the thing is, I have been telling you the same thing for three years so I guess I am just happy you’re happy ”
Herron went on to blame Spicher for the thousands of hours, and dollars that her refusal to take a polygraph cost the investigation. Then, they asked to speak to Spicher’s attorney privately, outside of her presence. She agreed.
After a few minutes*, they called Spicher back in and asked for her permission to meet with her privately without her attorney. Spicher and her attorney agreed.
Krafve starts by telling her: We are so glad you are on the team finally. This is such a big step in this case and you are really one of us.
Then, the hook.
We asked to speak to you without (your attorney) because we would like you to participate in a sting against Terri. We can’t ask you in front of counsel, and you cannot tell him what we said because he will then be obligated to make some calls as a member of the bar and all that.
Spicher asks if she can at least discuss it with her dad, a retired deputy with the Klamath Falls Sheriff’s Office. Herron said she could, but that he could not discuss it with her attorney, either.
Spicher told them it was 10: 00 PM , and reminded them that she has not had any contact with Terri since July 2010. Spicher told investigators that she was not comfortable with the proposal and would definitely need to sleep on it. They told her they would follow up with her.
Stavley, presumably uncomfortable with law enforcement’s request to meet with this client without him, asked Spicher to tell him what the meeting was about. She told her attorney that it was something they told her she could not tell him and that she wanted to get out of there and discuss it later. Stavley said he was not at all comfortable with that arrangement, and within hours Spicher told him that law enforcement wanted her to participate in a sting operation.
It was not until last week that Detective Krafve contacted Spicher directly to follow up on their request for DeDe Spicher to participate in a surreptitiously recorded sting where she was to call Terri Horman, and at the direction of law enforcement, read from a prepared agenda to include coaching by them.
Spicher declined.
* Edit to reflect changing the word twenty to “a few” for accuracy. 9/11/13 4:43 PM EST
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thinking of erose’ & ATG’s observations, while looking forward to Blink’s possible theory, can we extend a theory-search to the entire KH nuclear family?
We know they were quite influential from the git-go with stepfather being programmer in chief, website contact, & Foundation organizer. That those who live near home are close was suggested by the joint social activities chosen, ie all those Lodge pics.
What was this nuclear family’s preoccupation when Kyron was abducted? Brother’s arrest; revelation as abused by a family male & engagement in same himself; pleasing guilty; jail time to come. Did the family & Kaine first & foremost fear TMH attempting to tar KH with same brush as Kristian’s ex-wife painted him with? A need to separate while discrediting her publically with alacrity.
@TRuth. Think Penn State & the witless 3 employees now in hot water.
.Intel’s attorneys represent the Corporation.
Some employeers offer legal services or insurance to employees.
He’d still have to go sign a retainer agreement on his own.
I recall no press refs an attorney spoke to DA or MCSO or was
present representing him when he was briefed or questioned.
We have no idea do we who Terri called first to come stay with her. I can not ever recall it said by Terri that I immediately called Dede and only Dede to come help. Dede did not have a husband to tell her “God Dede don’t get involved stay home” and I am sure many husbands would say just that. She was in it the first night she stayed with Terri. If she had left 2 or 3 days after it would have made no difference. I will totally admit to having to re-channel my thinking in the last few months and it was hard. It is now coming together. I think I am lucky to have picked Blink’s as a source for critical thinking.
Cindy says:
September 6, 2013 at 10:39 pm
As I read, we each still have are own ideas about Kyron’s disappearance.
I never thought and still don’t think TH is a “master-mind”.
What I do wonder, and would really, really, like to know, is the “who, what, why, where, and when” it was decided that TMH was the target of this witch hunt. Was it politics, the school, le, kh…..how did this get started? By LE not being truthful from the get go, protecting the school, did they just decide to hang “TMH” out to dry?
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Just my own opinion, but it started when the school called Desiree, a scorned ex-wife and the wife of a cop.
Rose says:
September 7, 2013 at 10:42 am
PS. I made the moving on suggestion only due to the tenor of DY’s purported online response, which appears to have resulted in the Anti-DDS FB page once again spewing venom & threats.
We should not underestimate the potential activities of disturbed people.
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I looked at the Facebook of the poster and it checked out as DY. The poster was friended on both Kelley’s and Quinn’s FB pages.
erose says:
September 7, 2013 at 7:24 am
I am searching for the potential motivations of a father to start and, or perpetuate untruths and partial truths in a case where his son is missing and wondering if they extend beyond his “cooperation” with LE?
I think I may have at least a plausible theory on that in the continuation piece, erose & ATG
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erose, me too! Looking forward to that one, Blink.
(I thought I asked this already, but I can’t find it, so I’m posting again.)
“Spicher said she has never met Rodolpho (Rudy) Sanchez nor has she observed him on either property. )”
I’m sure you must have asked her the same thing about DAD, yes?
T. Ruth says: Just my own opinion, but it started when the school called Desiree, a scorned ex-wife and the wife of a cop.
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Having just gone to the anti Dede FB page for the first time (I had been to the anti Terri page and was aghast at the posts) I am aghast again. Vicious and immature post after post does not help the case in any way.
I would not affiliate myself with that page if I were Desiree. Kyron deserves better.
I can’t say that I totally agree Desiree felt scorned to the point that she would immediately suspect Terri with no foundation to do so but certainly she is stooping now with those FB pages which may be preventing her from finding the truth about what happened to her son.
Totally agree, I have been very concerned about bad influences and/or advice on her part for well over a year at least.
You know what I keep wondering? If Kaine believes Ky is alive, and Desiree thinks it is possible- why aren’t either of them making a statement to anyone they might think “has him.” I say this because even a recent filing I have seen from the DA or Engel indicated that they need to bring Kyron home to his family, not “find out what happened.” That implies to me they at least have that theory.
How and why are Desiree and Kaine at polar opposites in Kyron’s status in the first place if they are both being briefed and have info they cannot share? Is it just interpretational? I don’t think so.
Hearbreaking and mixed message with regarding to finding Kyron. Someone out there, or some someone’s are enjoying the H E L L out of that vitriolic smokescreen.
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MKH: (Kelly thanking the searchers from last week)
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We are officially turning this site into a donation site for future searches and will be redoing our statement on here soon. We would love to have all of you back with us on the next search and will send out a notification when the time comes.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264
Okay now, I see nothing wrong with searching for Kyron. In fact, it’s what should be done, if there is some credible reason to search an area. What I would like to know, and I hope they put it on their new donation FB page, is why they are searching where they are searching. How and why would anyone donate to a search unless the recipient of the funds can say why they are searching where they are? Wasn’t the area they searched last weekend already searched by LE? Are they going to continue to just re-search the same areas that LE has searched over and over? It’s been over 3 years. I just don’t get it.
I wonder if LE ever searched the Salmonberry Road area, where the truck driver said he saw the frightened boy in a grey pickup on the Saturday following Kyron’s disappearance. If they didn’t, I think I’d start there, if I was going to search anywhere. Then maybe the area where the dude found the bloody sock over in eastern Oregon. I don’t think that area was ever searched either. Why re-search the same places where Staton knows “Kyron is not”?
@cd,
The GJ can ask those testifying any question they want to. (Although they may be led in a certain direction by the DA.) They could ask Dede what she had for breakfast……nutter butters or was it a ham sandwich? LOL
with desirees searches: why isnt kaine horman financing them with all that money he has raised to find kyron? why isnt msco giving her money from their search fund? at least desiree young is trying to actually look for Kyron or his remains.
To clarify my earlier comments about tmh mental health, i wasnt saying she is deranged, i was suggesting more like co-dependant verbally abused manipulated and controlled to the point of not being able to function in a “normal” way when kyron disapeared and the focus was put on her.
I dont think its fair to imply anything about the mental health of desiree young except extremely distraught mother of a missing child getting bad advice from le, councel, and lynch mob. I also think desiree could confirm tmh’s mental duress apart from the abduction-the part about living with a probable mysogonist. Part of desirees strengths come probably from getting out of bad relationship and surviving being abandoned right before having the mans baby.
Again my opinionated opinions.
Blink, is there any chance that you will do an in-depth report on Kaine Horman (I guess that would include everything)
Thanks!
T. Ruth says:
September 7, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Just my own opinion, but it started when the school called Desiree, a scorned ex-wife and the wife of a cop.
Ditto!!!
Didn’t realize you are on the hard stuff.
T. Ruth says:
September 7, 2013 at 12:15 pm
http://www.examiner.com/article/kyron-horman-update-details-emerge-about-kyron-s-uncle-charged-child-molestation-case
The grandparent Hormans’ son was charged, March 2009
“Kristian’s child molestation trial was scheduled months ago for June 16″
On June 4, the Hormans had been anxiously awaiting a trial
whose outcome was certain, for over a year.
aside: Prosecutor Hupp is amazing. He seems to think the fact minor was not a blood relation is a plus, and says the 1 yr old in bed with this molestation event was unharmed.
The 2009 accusation was made by an ex-wife & her child (kinda like Terri & James).
Imo in the lead up to June 16, Kaine & Kristian’s mom and dad, before any nonfamily abductor “lead” was known and their son was being scrutinized, must have been very anxious about both sons and
had every reason to give Kaine “get the hell out of Dodge (the home, the wife)
advice before he landed in water as hot as Kristian’s without any evidence of untiward behavior
of his. They’d already had one dau-in-law turn on a son.
why can’t LE release the sketch of suspect zero? this makes absolutely no sense. even if they are working under a theory (as they obviously are) that TMH was involved, wouldn’t it still make sense to publicly release the sketch and maybe it would jog someones memory. this just makes zero sense to me, it’s been 3 years. they need fresh eyes on this case. i am so disgusted. i also wonder if the emails Desiree is talking about in which TMH is allegedly expressing disdain towards Kyron isn’t anything more than a step mother having difficulties dealing with a step child which honestly isn’t that uncommon at all. I’m not saying it’s good but TMH is a human and none of us are flawless and are all allowed to have our moments of frustration.
if i were Kaine or Desiree I would hire a private investigator STAT. why this hasn’t been done is beyond me. I also find it very interesting that we haven’t heard anything from Tony Young.
Amys Sister says:
September 7, 2013 at 12:28 pm
bearlyhere says:
September 7, 2013 at 12:34 am
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Twirling your hair and flicking your pen in times of high stress is completely different than sexting your husbands buddy for six days only three weeks after your stepson has gone missing. IMO that is beyond any reaction considered within the realm of ‘dealing’ unless you have a mental health issue.
My sister died suddenly and under suspicious circumstances. We all dealt with it in very different ways. Only one person was nonchalant and casual during the ordeal and that was the man who we suspected and still suspect had something to do with her death. None of us, I can promise you, cared what color our hair was and certainly not within one or two days of her death.
Also, because other people have a differing opinion than you does not make them dense. Differing opinions and perceptions are helpful in keeping topics balanced and considering all sides is an act of objective intelligence.
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I have a friend who cannot be without a man and an ex who cannot be without a woman, ever. They become anxious until they have someone. I assure you, if something very stressful happened, they would do whatever they had to do to be with someone of the opposite sex. I don’t think they would have waited as long as TH did IMO. I have a different opinion on what people do when they are under stress than you do.
If you are addicted to alcohol, or drugs, or sex, you can reach out for them at that time. I think being suspect in something you did or didn’t do would be a high time of stress, IMO. Just because you or your family would not do it, does not mean someone else might not. Some people mistake having someone who has sex with you as comfort, love, or caring for them. Some don’t. Everyone has their own opinion on that. It also depends on how you grew up and what influences what you do under stress. I notice this happens to people I know when they are very attached to someone and lose them suddenly, but this is only in my experience.
I think that people having different opinions is great. I think asking the same question over and over that was already answered can indicate they haven’t read the article or any of the questions Blink answered. I notice at some point, Blink stops answering the question if the exact same one is answered over and over. I was not just referring to here. If you read the comments, they were also referring to someone who had a date wrong in their article they wrote, even when corrected and Blink answered another poster by saying, I made myself clear when I talked to them that…. and they still got it wrong. I think that shows a lot of patience on Blink’s part.
I am not saying asking different questions or reading and then asking questions is a bad thing. Opinions are like noses, everyone has one and if you read what I wrote again, you will see I did not say having different opinions makes people dense. (I also have a friend without a nose, so that was a bad analogy).
I am very very sorry to hear about your sister’s death. My brother died suddenly last year. My first instinct was to reach out to others, I was and am still completely devestated.
I had an experience several years ago where an anesthesiologist made a mistake because he was in a hurry to call his girlfriend. I almost died and they cancelled the operation. It was touch and go for hours after, until they could get me stabilized.
I was terrified to close my eyes and go to sleep alone for a long time. Same happened to someone I know when her husband died. She was used to having someone there. My point is we don’t know what someone would do or how they would react under different circumstances, at least, I am not going to judge that based on my own experiences. Some people are lucky enough to have a supporting community or family and others are not. Some people like to deal with stress alone others can’t and will do anything to have someone there. Terri lost her husband, Kyron, and Kiara all in one fell swoop. She went from a full house to an empty house.
I am not saying she is involved or not involved, just that my opinion is different than yours, which does not make either you or I dense, IMO and that is just what I was trying to say in that first paragraph, we all have different opinions. I also do not know if she is mentally ill or not.
I don’t know if not wanting to shut my eyes alone, after my doctor told me I almost died, and then going through several hours of doctors calling a code and running to my bedside every time my blood pressure dropped, makes me mentally ill. I don’t know that my friend or my ex is mentally ill because they confuse sex for comfort and want someone there when they are stressed. I actually just read a great article on this and if I find it again, I will put it here. It is about confusing the feelings of sex for caring, it might help.
I also find that the people I know who do this have parents who were either too involved in their lives and then become unavailable (through death or divorce) or who are not affectionate at all, but that is only in my experience and IMO.
(((((GROUP HUGS)))))…especially to wpg and friendLY. Kyron needs both of you.
Love to my BOC friendies. Sometimes, we need a time out, to come back to the heart of the matter. Don’t forget to tell your family and friends, you love them. Do something to refresh the joy in your heart. Whatever it takes, to keep us on track, for Kyron AND for the sake of our own lives. Man, I hope that made sense. It sounds ok now…if when I hit submit, that I see I’ve blathered
Felt like that needed to be said, with love ~hearts galore~
P.S. The other thing this woman I know does when she is stressed is talk about her hair or dye her hair or cut her hair.
okay, I have a question … does anybody think that (with respect just in case he is totally, *cough, cough*, “innocent” in this) KH is smart enough or crafty enough or wicked enough to hatch a HUGE plan, either by himself or with the help of a friend or friends – to set up a wife who plumped up and tired him to the point where somebody else looked better?
Is he ‘clever’ enough to “innocently” arrange for only questions he wants asked at news conferences, and could he set things up well enough to make the wife look bad to the point of a “set-up or suggested” MFH.
YOu would think he could show a bit more emotion on the loss of his son — this is after the 90′s anyway, when even coaches and athletes and politicians cry (only after they are caught, of course). Everyone looks at news conference clips of TMH, but has anyone really looked at KH for any sign of emotion during those press conferences (or is it all inside)?
What are the chances that LE is setting HIM up as they let him think he is helping set up his wife?
Poor little Kyron. Well, I guess if stepmoms do bad things to children, dads could probably also do bad things.
Kyron needs to see justice done. I hope it happens.
erose
To answer your question about the gut feeling. I, like your husband, listen and read carefully information being presented. Some of us just are able to pick up hidden behaviors and half concealed untruths better than most. This is a developed skill over a long time and it begins early in life.
I spent years trouble shooting systems that involved people and equipment. This hones one’s skills to find the flaws that produce the problem.
I have posted little on the original Kyron thread, but it does not mean I was not reading for information. IMO Kaine Horman was in the process of pushing Terry out of the home for some unrevealed reason. This case plays very well for the final push to accomplish his goal. I also believe Kaine Horman to be a manipulator of people through misinformation. He could very well be manipulating LE. A lie told often enough is soon accepted for truth unless the lie is exposed.
If Kaine has access to attorneys from his employer, he may or may not be getting top level advice. Intel’s corporate attorneys are going to be experts in patent law and other corporate matters. The chance of one or more being up-to-date in criminal law and procedures is going to be slim to none.
Woodland janitor investigated for relationship with boys, 13
WOODLAND, Wash. — Robert Leonard worked as a janitor for the Vancouver School District and in Seattle for almost 30 years, which has authorities concerned because they allege he sent explicit text messages and emails to a Pennsylvania 13-year-old.
Woodland police picked Leonard up after getting tipped off by the Pennsylvania Highway Patrol. During interviews with investigators in Washington, Leonard reportedly admitted to a physical relationship with two local boys.
The relations started when the boys were 13-years-old, but Leonard would not tell detectives who the boys are.
(snipped, more @ link)
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52947944/ns/local_news-portland_or/
We know that Terri knew there was an SZ, because we saw her email to a friend, saying that Kyron was seen with two girls and a man chaperone.
I would assume then, that this was discussed between Dede & Terri in those days they spent together.
Did Dede mention anything new in that regard to you?
With a sting-sting here and a sting-sting there, here a sting, there a sting, everywhere a sting-sting……..Bobby O’Donnel had a farm….
(Sorry, couldn’t help myself.) Anyhoo, is it possible that the calls from Mike Cook were set up by LE as well, to try to sting Terri? I remember those texts/sexts sounded to me when I first read them like it was some sort of script (on both ends). Of course, there’s a lot we didn’t see as well that was redacted….by LE?
For some reason, I’d never have thought they’d stoop that low, ex-husband maybe, but LE?
@amys sister, sorry for your loss, i believe that if justice is never served in this life it surely will be in the next. you seem like you are doing well after suffering such a loss, wish dy had friends like you.
@rose.i dont know oregon politics-do you think that a new guy filling cogens seat that is not tight with the union and sherrif could cause the investigation to be reviewed and the direction changed, and maybe some transparency in msco? also there was some searching of kh and family on monkeys early on.
@sam h, agreed on dY.
except she & sister both, the same week, said they are stuck back on June 4.
Therefore, imo, they need to be treated together to move past June 4 into
realistic advocacy.
@sam h. I only regurgitate what I have recently read
in WW, which seems to be on tippy toes deciding which way to g with next political target,
they may be embarking on skirting issues in Sheriffs’ Office.
Imo there are likely no changes possible which are powerful enough–County Chair or Mayor or legislative
likely to reform Portland Courts & cops. The Gov holds disproportionate power.
The last muckraker, Pitkin, got canned.
The Unions will be necessary for either party to be elected–why 20+ pols showed up at
the annual picnic. No, it will take a case bigger than police killings of mentally ill for DOJ to
show up & deal with corruption. Now, tho, DOJ/FBI think (incorrectly imo) they need mcso &
PPB on their local antiterrorism task force, giving the latter leverage.
And DOJ tried reform in Portland & failed before in 60s.
Locally, reform parents can chose 1 office (sheriff?),
find a reform candidate who can fly, & form coalitions
of interest groups. taking over one office leads to respect for parents’ concerns to those who fear they are next.
And the School Board, well it’s weak. You know, too, the times
Carol brought Keefer to speak as token principal, one of them
coukd’ve asked about the events of the day.
Intel pro bono work. Sited in external service providers.
no criminal. What Kaine called Intel Legal for was imo PR alert.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110304005188/en/Pro-Bono-Institute-Honors-Intel-Corporation
http://www.metrocorpcounsel.com/articles/12848/serving-community-and-law-pro-bono-intel-corporation
http://m.insidecounsel.com/2011/06/01/intel-builds-momentum-with-pro-bono-work
@ATG. Heartening to see your pragmatic, incisive countenance here.
Amys Sister says:
September 7, 2013 at 2:15 pm
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Having just gone to the anti Dede FB page for the first time (I had been to the anti Terri page and was aghast at the posts) I am aghast again. Vicious and immature post after post does not help the case in any way.
I would not affiliate myself with that page if I were Desiree. Kyron deserves better.
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That’s what I was trying to say. Now we are on the same page.
It’s okay to have an opinion, not to keep repeating the same thing over and over, even when you know something has already been addressed. I just didn’t point any fingers.
But to be fair, it’s not just there, it’s everywhere. For example, I read a news article saying someone had a baby boy and there were commenters wondering who SHE looked like. Clearly the article said boy. People corrected the poster, but somewhere the truth was changed and people kept asking about HER in their comments after that. Someone changes the truth to something that is not true and it gets repeated ad nauseum. It had nothing to do with opinions.
@bearlyhere says:
September 7, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Your post on your observance of human behavior is a good one. Who knows what any of us would do under the stress in this whole scenario?
I think that the big deal being made about a comment Terri made about her hair color is blown way-the-f-out of proportion. Who cares?
Think about it, we have an extremely tense situation…..your child is missing. All of them, KH, TH, DY & TY just lost a child. So did James and Quinn and Kiara just lose a brother. Now we have DY & TY (a police officer, to boot), along with another police officer, staying in the home of the woman who Desiree feels broke up her marriage to Kaine. (Though, keep in mind, Kaine said it didn’t happen that way.)
If Desiree & Terri were left in the same room, what the heck were the two of them going to talk about? You know, some people can move on from divorce and the fact is, that some people NEVER do.
I think, looking back, that Terri was most likely trying to make small talk to Desiree, out of just plain nervousness of having the ex of your husband hanging out in your house. I’m sure this wasn’t the only conversation they had and there was also Desiree’s mention that Terri said she “loved” Kyron. Another thing IMO, that sounded totally taken out of context.
I always harken back to Desiree’s comment when asked about what she thought about Terri & Kyron:
http://www.today.com/id/38420266/ns/today-today_news/t/little-boy-lost/
DESIREE YOUNG: We just made sure that we got along, and that we sacrificed things that needed to be sacrificed for the good of the kids, and just dedicated our emotional energy in that and not at each other.
They got along as best they could. Around the age of two, Kyron began living with his father and stepmother full time in Portland. Friends say Terri was an attentive stepmom, active in Kyron’s school.
KATE SNOW: Was she a good mother?
DESIREE YOUNG: I wouldn’t say she would replace me, obviously, but she definitely gave him what he needed.
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So when did this all change?
bearlyhere says:
September 7, 2013 at 7:13 pm
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Huge compassion shown in your post, bearly. Thank you and I hope you can close your eyes in comfort and peace again.
Ode says:
September 7, 2013 at 12:37 pm
We have no idea do we who Terri called first to come stay with her. I can not ever recall it said by Terri that I immediately called Dede and only Dede to come help. Dede did not have a husband to tell her “God Dede don’t get involved stay home” and I am sure many husbands would say just that. She was in it the first night she stayed with Terri.
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I am a single Mom. If anyone is in need, they call me. They think that I have a ton of extra time available because I don’t have a husband. My son’s father is deceased, so I am the only parent. I think Terri reached out to her and KH reached out to her to prepare a party because she was single and there is a myth out there that single people are just waiting by the phone for someone to call and ask for help. It is my experience that if I happen to have something to do at that moment, they are put out. Did I mention that I am a single parent of a child with autism? That does not stop anyone from calling when they are in need. I think the fact that she was single played a big part in her choice, IMO.
I also just visited the “Anti-pages” and all I can say is unbelievable! My gosh immature, and extremely mean-spirited. I find it extremely hard to believe that TY being a professional LE would allow Desiree to get involved with such nonsense!
September 7, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Blink says:
Totally agree, I have been very concerned about bad influences and/or advice on her part for well over a year at least.
You know what I keep wondering? If Kaine believes Ky is alive, and Desiree thinks it is possible- why aren’t either of them making a statement to anyone they might think “has him.” I say this because even a recent filing I have seen from the DA or Engel indicated that they need to bring Kyron home to his family, not “find out what happened.” That implies to me they at least have that theory.
How and why are Desiree and Kaine at polar opposites in Kyron’s status in the first place if they are both being briefed and have info they cannot share? Is it just interpretational? I don’t think so.
Hearbreaking and mixed message with regarding to finding Kyron. Someone out there, or some someone’s are enjoying the H E L L out of that vitriolic smokescreen.
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I agree, I think DY needs some good influences on her in her life, even surrounded by people, she looks so alone and unprotected.
Right now her focus seems to be on searches. I just hope they are done correctly so that if any evidence is found, it is protected in a way that will help find Kyron and the person/people who have taken him, and not be ruined or ruled inadmissible for any reason. I hope she has some guidance on the searches to protect any evidence found.
When they talk about bringing Kyron home, I think of it the same way I do when they say to bring Natalee home. Bring him home no matter what. If he is deceased then bring him home to his loved ones to have a proper burial. Even saying this makes my insides turn. Maybe in their minds, they “know” what happened, “Terri took him.”
As far as Desiree and Kaine, they did not made good partners in life, I think under such stressful circumstances, that would be even more pronounced. Perhaps DY thinks KH is at fault for even bringing Terri into their family to begin with and lets him know it.
It is heartbreaking. If my child lived near there I would be scared as all get out. IF SZ took Kyron right from under someone’s nose and was given permission to do so, how can anyone think their child is safe in that area? To make matters worse, if LE and the bio parents know that TH was not the last person seen with him, the have an obligation to get that information out there so other children can be safe. Who knows if SZ has struck again somewhere else? Or if he is going to do it some day soon or anytime in the future? Withholding that kind of evidence and a description of SZ, if known, is abominable, imo.
Amys Sister says:
September 8, 2013 at 1:35 am
bearlyhere says:
September 7, 2013 at 7:13 pm
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Huge compassion shown in your post, bearly. Thank you and I hope you can close your eyes in comfort and peace again.
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Well, as you see, it’s very late, so I don’t know how far I have come with closing my eyes, but having a child with autism guarantees you won’t be lonely, at least not for a very long time. So, I got what I needed, just didn’t know he was what I needed until he got here. Thanks, Amys Sister.
@Blink
Just for you…if you wish…or want others to know.
Question: Have you ever suggested we should NOT quote some of the interview to other places….emails to friends, Olive, other forums?
Or, or also, have you told Kgw, Olive or other forums, media NOT to quote you or Dede regarding said story on Dede?
Is it OK, if we preface quotes, references with Blink states…..etc….
I ask cuz someone stated (not to me) you did NOT want anything from this story quoted on their forum.
I’ve quoted you or Dede…on olive…what’s the protocal…???? It is OK?
The copyright fair use laws dictate that if one quotes from anyone’s copyrighted work ( it does not just apply to quoting directly, it encompasses the entire intellectual property) that a link back for attrition must be used.
As far as the news outlets where I actually was interviewed with permision, they have the right to post that or discuss the content on their sites because they have included the link back and of course the recorded portions of the interview. What is not permitted is directly copying or featuring screenshots of the work that are not legal ( standard is no more than a 2 paragraph snippet with a link for attribution)
This has been my only suggestion on the issue, and it is copyright based- I have not asked anyone not to quote and discuss my work on any forum UNLESS they are not providing a link for attribution and reader context. If you are referring to those hater/stalker sites, I would never engage anyone on them for any reason.
B
FTLOG Y’all, edited after the fact because I am an auto correct baffoon. Attribution…
@truth says
http://www.today.com/id/38420266/ns/today-today_news/t/little-boy-lost/
DESIREE YOUNG: We just made sure that we got along, and that we sacrificed things that needed to be sacrificed for the good of the kids, and just dedicated our emotional energy in that and not at each other.
They got along as best they could. Around the age of two, Kyron began living with his father and stepmother full time in Portland. Friends say Terri was an attentive stepmom, active in Kyron’s school.
KATE SNOW: Was she a good mother?
DESIREE YOUNG: I wouldn’t say she would replace me, obviously, but she definitely gave him what he needed.
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So when did this all change?
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The STING, IMO, was to confirm what Rudy “suggested” to O’donnell. Or what O’donnell interpreted as a “hit” on Kaine.
But we know now that TMH was asked who could have been on the property and not a friend. So if she said the former landscaper, Rudy, was not a friend, had even verbally or physically or sexually attacted her, then LE already had “something” on Rudy. Just as they did with LE, wouldn’t they conceivably tell Rudy if he did NOT participate in a sting that he would be thrown in jail as an illegal?
When the “sting” happened, and LE and Maxine and other MSM portrayed it as “TMH shut down the conversaton” instead of “TMH would have no part in this CONJECTURE by LE….and call records from BESC confirms Rudy was a Threat” how would the outcome be different from the BIOS?
But…they had ALREADY (at least Kaine) been led by LE to believe Rudy tried to kill him and TMH had put a hit on him in December.
Most of us, at the time….even me….were wondering if the landscaper’s story was true.
The MSM really, really wanted it to be true. And ran with it.
But if you read up on Maxine’s story….she didn’t interview the landscaper. She got his info from LE and he “confirmed the story” when she called. She NEVER had an interview with him.
Yet she ended up on Larry King….who, btw, didn’t give her much time.
But Portland did. The hate pages did. The media here did. They all “created” a mother who would kill her husband and ….. SO….would kill her son.
RedRose says:
September 7, 2013 at 7:19 pm
What you speculated about KH is IMO possible. I am not the least hesitant to say that I’ve pondered the type of theory you put forth, with my own details to spin it around in my head.
Outrageousness in any idea that might find Kyron is a virtue, I think. It seems to me that the main players in this case do not want to cross a certain line in the sand that takes them from clichés about evil stepmothers (that WILL not exit their heads) to steer them toward a new road that leads to Kyron. I am failing to see any of them, other than DY, focusing on KYRON. And even DY is becoming a strange agent in this story.
Thank you rose.
Your post #27 above is the very type of activity that those who live and vote in the area need to be engaged in trying to understand. Knowledge is power. Flailing about without a workable plan and expecting proper results is wishful thinking.
If just twenty percent of the people were able to forge the changes that made the United States, could not a similar percentage do the same in the Portland area regarding the needed changes in LE and criminal justice?
Heart u and you cracked me up royally, both at you and me
B
@wpg
I hope you haven’t left us. I always appreciate your thought provoking questions.
this suggests KH should revise his personal cost of custody battle & divorce to several million
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/end-sight-decade-long-conn-divorce-case-20193916
and whoever is giving him the advice sole custody, not to mention a TPR is remotely possible between
a 4 yo girl and a mother charged with no crime needs to find another line of business
DY’s other progeny was on a list of So Medford High grads winning a scholarship.
not posting, however he’s all over the internet in a way typical of teens,
so parents don’t fear a SZ internet predator imo. I thot he went to a Portland HS.
i have noticed that many news sites, even in washington state, have picked up the dede talks story by blink. to my knowledge though, not one has said a thing about a male being seen with kyron leaving the school. what up? surely one of them contacted ms mathews to confirm? surely one of them checked into it, because so many were aware of the dede story, they must have noticed the part about unknown male, caucasian, sighted leaving skyline with kyron. can someone put a link here back to the last thread/story for me?
is it that it is not believed because le has not said it or is the news only picking up terri horman did it (with her friends) stories?
sam I would just ask that if you would be so kind to provide links to anything you reference in terms of media, I am really obligated to do that. Thank you.
To answer you, that is not referenced in this particular piece. Reporters are not investigative journalists. In some of my interviews that have not aired, i had to repeatedly say that they needed to read the article- based on some of the question phrasing. This is not a judgement, I did not find them lazy or indifferent- the opposite, really. But it is a definite function of the diff between a “real reporter” and an investigative journalist.
To Ben Singer’s credit, he specifically complimented me on the liberties I have available in the different distinctions. ( link previously posted to Singer)
Kyle Iboshi was prepared, definitely read the piece and I thought responsible in question on my background, complimentary on the content of my body of work, not just this case.
I would also like to point out that I was upfront that Ms. Spicher was not a fan of local media, and for now, I can tell you she would be more specific than I care to be about that.
Singer’s response was thoughtful and I passed it on. He said ( para) please let her know we are reporters and repeat what we are told by those in the case that have spoken. If we don’t know her story how could we either support or refute it?
B
One possibility I have considered wrt MC, is that he and TH had a sexual relationship prior to Kyron’s disappearance. It was KH, not TH that stated he had not been close to MC for quite some time.
I have also considered that TH may have reached out to DDS because DDS’s dad was a cop. Not necessarily for the nefarious reasons that people have implied on other venues, but because she had TY instructing her on the investigation for days, and after KH left the home, she may have felt misled.
Under the circumstance, when she had no lawyer, and was being told she failed poly’s, and was surprised that KH could take her daughter and leave as he did, she needed someone she could trust to understand what was going on, but removed enough from the situation. It would be surreal to have a stepson abducted, much less have people think you did it. Who do you trust? Who better than a friend, connected to LE to help her sort out what she should do.
You know the fact that KH was aware of who and how TH came to hire Houze means that TH had absolutely no privacy.
Editors Note: blinkoncrime.com has been able to confirm through an independent source which does not wish to be identified publicly, that Terri Horman was referred to her criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze via a family friend and attorney located in Bend, Oregon. Subsequently, Kaine Horman requested a search of the Bend attorney’s property, and indicated that Kyron may have gone there.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/#comments
i think that dede’s story just confirms that le still has a narrow single focus on tmh. the reaction in the anti pages confirms alot of it. why btw does facebook allow anti-anyone pages? arent there regulations on facebook?
also i think herron was using the same old le tactics used through the whole investigation- when asking dede to participate in a sting, he made sure there was no witness to that by asking her lawyer to leave the room. releasing no info to the public, only through the bios, and not charging anyone. if someone where arrested they would have legal means to defend themselves. same as the r/o and civil suit is making serious allegations about people and dropping them when it appears the suspects might be at a point where they can defend themselves. this type of le “investigating” imo makes dede and terri more believable, not less. also if it comes out ever that a suspect unrelated to the family (sz) did in fact walk right into skyline and leave with kyron, le’s ass is covered, “we never said tmh was a suspect” “we never said anything.” if this was a watergate scandal that would be one thing. when le does this to a trusting woman that is desperate to find her son it is unconscionable. if sz is arrested , what will be said by le is that “d young just thought that, we never said, we are on record as never having said…etc”
the people accused in this case have never had a legal way to clear their names. even with dede speaking out people are left to decide for themselves if its true. if she had ever been arrested her lawyer would have been able to present every thing stated in this article in court, with evidence.
i think if i am ever in the same situation i will beg them to arrest me so i can have a fair public trial instead of having my life ruined in the press and always fearing when the police will be calling and intimidating me again. can tmh just legally say charge me or clear me? can dede?
Blink, I know this is long, so if you don’t want to post the whole thing I understand.
Rose, you made me think of something I found a long time ago.
I’m pretty sure I asked this here, but can anyone tell me if this is how long the custody/assets battle between Diane Bemiss Horman and R. Neil Horman went on, or is there something else going on here? (From 1979 to 2011? Say it isn’t so.)
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S17&casenumber=79-3-01282-7&searchtype=sName&token=0CD2F7C0FEC1A82A7BFF8ECC1D03FC99&dt=18CED74DBAACC8DC8B5A9E45CF23FCF5&courtClassCode=S&casekey=13150768&courtname=KING%20CO%20SUPERIOR%20CT
Horman, R N
Petitioner King Co Superior Ct 79-3-01282-7
Superior Court Case Summary
Court: King Co Superior Ct
Case Number: 79-3-01282-7
Sub Docket Date Docket Code Docket Description Misc Info
08-07-1979 FILING FEE RECEIVED Filing Fee Received
Schroeter Goldmark & Bender 45.00
1 08-07-1979 PETITION FOR DISSOLUTION Petition For Dissolution
Husband
2 08-07-1979 TEMP REST ORD & ORD TO SHO CAUS Temp Rest Ord & Ord To Sho Caus 08-16-79FM
3 08-07-1979 ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE Motn&af For Temp Rest Ord&ord To Sc
4 08-15-1979 NOTE FOR MOTION DOCKET Note For Motion Docket
Change Of Venue 08-22-79FM
8 08-15-1979 MOTION Motion For Change Of Venue
Spokane
08-16-1979 MINUTE ENTRY
ACTION Temp Rest Ord & Ord To Sho Cause
/ct *
5 08-17-1979 SHERIFF’S RETURN Sheriff’s Return 11.80
08-22-1979 MINUTE ENTRY
ACTION Mtn For Change Of Venue/ct *
Add On 08-24-79
6 08-23-1979 FINANCIAL SUMMARY
PET0001 Financial Summary
Horman, R N
7 08-23-1979 AFFIDAVIT IN SUPPORT Affidavit In Support
Of Motion For Temp
Custody & In Response To
Motion For Change Of Venue
08-24-1979 PRE-DISPOSITION HEARING Court Minutes
2088/566 Holman 6
08-24-1979 PRE-DISPOSITION HEARING Family Law
9 08-30-1979 ORDER OF TRANSFER Order Of Transfer
To Family Court
11 08-30-1979 TEMPORARY ORDER Temporary Order Re: Support Custody
Attys Fees & Visitation 177415
10 08-31-1979 ANSWER Answer
12 01-16-1980 SATISFACTION OF JUDGMENT Satisfaction Of Judgment
13 01-29-1980 REPORT Report Re Custody
14 04-02-1980 MOTION AND AFFIDAVIT/DECLARATION Motion And Affidavit
15 04-02-1980 ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE Order To Show Cause 04-09-80FM
04-09-1980 PRE-DISPOSITION HEARING Family Law Motions
16 04-15-1980 AFFIDAVIT
RSP0001 Affidavit Of
Horman, Diane
17 04-29-1980 ORDER SETTING TRIAL DATE Order Setting Case For Trial 07-30-80
18 05-07-1980 NOTICE OF WITHDRAWAL OF ATTORNEY Notice Of Withdrawal Of Attorney
19 05-29-1980 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE
RSP0001 Notice Of Appearance
Horman, Diane
By Ted R Katterheinrich
20 06-23-1980 AGREED ORDER Agreed Order
Re Visitation
21 07-17-1980 MOTION AND AFFIDAVIT/DECLARATION Motion And Affidavit For
Appointment Of Psychiatrist
22 07-17-1980 NOTE FOR MOTION DOCKET
ACTION Note For Motion Docket
Psychiatrist 07-24-1980FM
ACTION Mtn & Aff For Appointment Of
07-24-1980 MINUTE ENTRY Mt & Af For Appt Of Psych Ct * 07-31-1980FM
23 07-25-1980 ORDER OF CONTINUANCE Order Of Continuance 08-25-80
07-30-1980 MINUTE ENTRY 2115/684 Shellan
07-31-1980 MINUTE ENTRY Family Law
24 08-21-1980 STIPULATION Stip For Trial With Pro Tem Judge
08-25-1980 MINUTE ENTRY 2115/758 Corbett Pj
25 08-27-1980 NOTICE OF SUBSTITUTION OF COUNSEL
ATR0001 Substitution Of Atty
Katterheinrich,ted R
By Harley V Franco For
08-27-1980 PRE-DISPOSITION HEARING 2117/490 Gaddis 30 Sullivan (cr)
27 08-27-1980 TRIAL BRIEF Trial Brief Of Petitioner
28 08-27-1980 PRETRIAL AFFIDAVIT/STATEMENT Pretrial Affidavit Of Respondent
31 08-27-1980 PRETRIAL AFFIDAVIT/STATEMENT Pretrial Affidavit Of Petitioner
- 08-27-1980 COURT REPORTER NOTES Court Reporter Notes
Vol 2063 Bill Sullivan
26 08-28-1980 OR, OATH & APPR JDGE PRO TEM & STIP Stip,oath & Ord Appt Judge Pro Tem
- 08-28-1980 DISPOSITION HEARING 2117/491 Gaddis 30 Sullivan (cr)
29 08-29-1980 ORDER RE: EXHIBITS Order Re: Exhibits
30 08-29-1980 WITNESS RECORD Witness Time Sheet
- 08-29-1980 EXHIBIT LIST Exhibit List
32 10-20-1980 MEMORANDUM Memorandum Decision
33 11-18-1980 ORDER OF CONTINUANCE Order Of Continuance 11-25-80
34 12-02-1980 STIPULATION Stipulation
35 12-02-1980 SUBPOENA Subpoena
36 12-02-1980 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit In Support Of Continuance
37 12-15-1980 SUBPOENA Subpoena
- 12-16-1980 MINUTE ENTRY 2118/539-540 Gladdis Pro Tem Lahay
- 12-17-1980 MINUTE ENTRY 2118/541 Gaddis Pro Tempore La Hay
38 12-18-1980 MEMORANDUM Memorandum Re Expert Opinion
39 12-24-1980 STATEMENT Statement By Kenneth A Macdonald
40 01-14-1981 MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION Motion For Reconsideration
41 01-14-1981 MEMORANDUM Memorandum In Support Of Motion
42 02-06-1981 FINDINGS & CONCLUSIONS Findings & Conclusions
43 02-06-1981 DECREE OF DISSOLUTION Decree Of Dissolution Gaddis
- 02-06-1981 CERTIFICATE MAILED TO OLYMPIA Certificate To Olympia
- 07-17-1981 EXHIBITS DESTROYED Exhibits Destroyed
44 01-31-1983 PETITION Petition Fr Modificatn Of Decree
45 02-15-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit Of Counsel
46 02-15-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit Of Pet
47 02-15-1984 MEMORANDUM Memorandum In Suppt Of Arrearages
48 02-15-1984 MOTION FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE Motion For Order To Show Cause
49 02-15-1984 ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE
ACTION Order To Show Cause
10:30 Ord Sho Caus Re Correct Dcree 03-01-1984MX
50 02-15-1984 MOTION FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE Motion For Order To Show Cause
51 02-15-1984 ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE Order To Show Cause Re Judgment 03-07-1984FM
52 02-23-1984 AFFIDAVIT OF MAILING Affidavit Of Mailing
53 03-01-1984 ORDER
ACTION Agreed Order Continuing Hearing
10:30 Gaddis- Mtn To Amend Decree 03-19-1984MX
54 03-01-1984 ANSWER Answer/wife
55 03-01-1984 NOTE FOR TRIAL DOCKET Note For Trial Docket
- 03-01-1984 MINUTE ENTRY Ex Parte Cal
- 03-07-1984 MINUTE ENTRY Family Law Motion Cal
56 03-16-1984 BRIEF Brief Re Relief From Judgment Etc
57 03-19-1984 BRIEF Brief/suppl/wife
- 03-19-1984 POST DISPOSITION HEARING Ex Parte Cal
58 04-11-1984 ANSWER TO INTERROGATORIES Answer To Interrogatories/productns
Wife
59 05-02-1984 ORDER TRANSFERRING TO FAMILY COURT Ord Of Trans To Family Ct-mediation
60 05-03-1984 ORDER Order Amending Decree Dissolution
61 05-10-1984 INTERROGATORIES Interrogatories/page 1
62 05-11-1984 MOTION TO COMPEL Motion To Compel Discovery 05-18-1984FM
63 05-11-1984 NOTE FOR MOTION DOCKET Note For Motion Docket
- 05-18-1984 POST DISPOSITION HEARING Family Law Cal
64 05-21-1984 ORDER COMPEL ANSWER INTERROGATORIES Order Compel Answer Interrogatories
65 05-31-1984 MOTION AND AFFIDAVIT/DECLARATION Motion And Affidavit
66 05-31-1984 ORDER SHORTENING TIME
ACTION Order Shortening Time
Notc Of Mtn For Protective Order 06-05-84
67 05-31-1984 MOTION AND AFFIDAVIT/DECLARATION Mtn & Aff For Protective Order 06-05-84
68 05-31-1984 NOTE FOR MOTION DOCKET-LATE FILING Note For Motion Docket-late Filing
69 05-31-1984 BRIEF Brief Re Orders/wife
70 06-01-1984 MOTION
ACTION Motion
Mtn For Sanctions, Atty Fees & 06-08-1984FM
ACTION Other Relief
71 06-01-1984 NOTE FOR MOTION DOCKET Note For Motion Docket
72 06-07-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit Of Diane Bemiss Aka
73 06-07-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit Of Kenneth A Macdonald
74 06-07-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit Of Kenneth A Macdonald
75 06-07-1984 BRIEF Brief/respondent
76 06-08-1984 REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS Request For Production Of Documents
77 06-08-1984 ORDER Stipulation & Order Setting Hearing 06-08-84
- 06-08-1984 POST DISPOSITION HEARING Family Law Cal
78 06-13-1984 NOTICE OF PRESENTATION
ACTION Notice Of Presentation
9:30 Allison – Present Order 06-25-1984FM
- 06-25-1984 MINUTE ENTRY Family Law Cal
79 07-18-1984 ORDER FOR SUPPORT Order For Support Etc
80 07-26-1984 CERTIFICATE Certificate Of Completion
81 07-27-1984 MOTION Motion For Early Trial Date/husb
82 07-27-1984 MOTION Motion For Imposition Of Sanctions
83 07-27-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit/husband
84 07-27-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit/frankj S Mesher M D
85 07-27-1984 NOTE FOR MOTION DOCKET
ACTION Note For Motion Docket
11:30 Pj Motion For Early Trial 08-06-1984FM
86 07-27-1984 NOTE FOR MOTION DOCKET
ACTION Note For Motion Docket
Motion For Order Of Default 08-06-1984FM
87 08-03-1984 UNKNOWN CODE Documents/written Argument/husband
- 08-06-1984 COMMENT ENTRY Ord Setting Trial Date 10-19-1984TZ
- 08-06-1984 POST DISPOSITION HEARING Family Law Cal
88 08-06-1984 ORDER SETTING TRIAL DATE Order Setting Trial Date 10-16-84
89 08-06-1984 CORRESPONDENCE Correspondence
90 08-06-1984 CORRESPONDENCE Correspondence
- 10-02-1984 DEPOSITION RECEIVED Deposition Received
Diane E Bemiss
- 10-16-1984 MINUTE ENTRY Trial Cal Quinn
- 10-16-1984 CASE REMOVED FROM CALENDAR Case Removed From Calendar
91 10-16-1984 STIP OF TRIAL DATE Agreed Setting 11-16-1984FA
91.2 10-17-1984 NOTICE Notice Of Dismissal/family Court
92 10-23-1984 ANSWER TO INTERROGATORIES Answer To Interrogatories/husb
93 11-13-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit/written Argument/husb
94 11-13-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit Re Testimoney/depo Etc/h
95 11-13-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit/paul F Culotta
96 11-13-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit/re Modification/husb
97 11-13-1984 SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE STATEMENT Settlement Conference Statement/h
- 11-16-1984 MINUTE ENTRY Trial Cal Quinn
- 11-16-1984 HOLD TRIAL UNTIL: Hold Case Until 11-19-84
- 11-19-1984 MINUTE ENTRY
ACTION Hold Add On
Support Modification/visitation 11-20-1984TZ
ACTION Paul Culotta 624-7141
ACTION 1 Day
- 11-19-1984 MINUTE ENTRY Trial Cal Quinn
- 11-19-1984 HOLD TRIAL UNTIL: Hold Case Until 11-20-84
98 11-19-1984 NOTICE Notice To Publish Interrrogatories
99 11-19-1984 BRIEF Brief/petitioner
100 11-19-1984 BRIEF Brief Of Legal Authority
101 11-19-1984 BRIEF Brief /respondent
102 11-19-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit Of Kenneth A Macdonald
103 11-19-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit Of Diane Bemiss
104 11-19-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit Of Paul F Culotta
105 11-19-1984 AFFIDAVIT Affidavit Of R Neil Horman
106 11-19-1984 FINANCIAL SUMMARY Financial Summary
- 11-19-1984 POST DISPOSITION HEARING
VIS00 C/r Roberta Wiecking
Visiting Judge Marshall Forest
- 11-20-1984 MINUTE ENTRY Trial Cal Quinn
- 11-20-1984 ASSIGNED TO Assigned To Vis Forrest
107 01-22-1985 NOTICE OF PRESENTATION
ACTION Notice Of Presentation
8:30 Forest Present Findings Of 02-08-1985FM
ACTION Facts ,concl Of Law & Decree
- 02-08-1985 MINUTE ENTRY Family Law Cal
108 02-14-1985 NOTICE OF PRESENTATION
ACTION Notice Of Presentation
8:30 Forest – Findings, Conclusions 02-25-1985FM
ACTION & Decree
109 02-15-1985 ORDER Order On Motion For Default
- 02-25-1985 MINUTE ENTRY Fam Law Cal
110 03-11-1985 FINDINGS & CONCLUSIONS Findings & Conclusions
111 03-11-1985 DECREE Decree Of Modification
Forest/visiting Judge
112 05-23-1986 RELEASE Release Of Lien On Real Property
113 05-23-1986 SATISFACTION OF JUDGMENT Satisfaction Of Judgment & Lien
115 10-09-1992 ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE
EXP0001 Order To Show Cause Re Contempt
Ex-parte, Dept 10-29-1992FM
- 10-12-1992 COMMENT ENTRY See Microfilm For Previous Dockets
114 10-12-1992 AFFIDAVIT OF RESPONDENT Affidavit Of Respondent
116 10-21-1992 AFFIDAVIT/DCLR/CERT OF SERVICE Affidavit Of Service
117 04-21-1995 ORDER AUTHOR REMOVAL OF COURT FILE Order Author Removal Of Court File
118 05-16-1995 DECLARATION Declaration Of Resp
119 05-16-1995 MOTION FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE Motion For Order To Show Cause
120 05-16-1995 ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE
EXP0001 Order To Show Cause
Ex-parte, Dept 08-02-1995FM
121 05-23-1995 AFFIDAVIT/DCLR/CERT OF SERVICE Affidavit/declaration Of Service
121A 06-02-1995 HEARING CONTINUED: UNSPECIFIED
FAM0001 Hearing Continued: Unspecified
Family Law, Dept 1
Rvw/ord To S/c-ct
122 06-02-1995 ORDER
FAM0001 Order On Mtn & Contg S/c Hrg
Family Law, Dept 1 08-02-1995FM
123 07-27-1995 MOTION Motion To Adjust Support/rsp 08-10-1995FM
124 07-27-1995 MOTION Motion For Temp Order/rsp 08-10-1995FM
125 07-27-1995 NOTE FOR MOTION DOCKET Note For Motion Docket
125A 07-27-1995 CHILD SUPPORT WORKSHEET Child Support Worksheet
126 07-28-1995 FINANCIAL DECLARATION Financial Declaration Rsp
127 07-31-1995 REPLY Reply Statement Of Jeffrey Hess
128 08-02-1995 ORDER OF CONTINUANCE
FAM0001 Ord Cont Hrg
Family Law, Dept 1 08-10-95
129 08-02-1995 HEARING CONTINUED: UNSPECIFIED
FAM0001 Hearing Continued: Unspecified
Family Law, Dept 1 08-10-1995FM
ACTION Ord To S/c-ct
130 08-07-1995 DECLARATION Declaration Of R Neil Horman
131 08-08-1995 REPLY Reply Statement/jeffrey Hess
132 08-08-1995 DECLARATION Declaration Re Atty Fees/respondent
133 08-10-1995 ORDER DENYING MOTION/PETITION
FAM0001 Order Denying Suprt Modiftion
Family Law, Dept 1
134 08-10-1995 MOTION HEARING
FAM0001 Motion Hearing
Family Law, Dept 1
135 08-16-1995 NOTICE OF HEARING
ACTION Notice Of Hearing
11:15 Pj/mtn For Revision 08-18-95
136 08-18-1995 ORDER RE MARITAL PROPERTY
FAM0001 Order Re Marital Property
Family Law, Dept 1
137 08-18-1995 MOTION Motion For Revision/rsp
138 08-18-1995 REQUEST
ACTION Request For Hearing
1:30/pj/mtn For Revision 08-21-95
139 08-21-1995 ORDER SETTING TRIAL DATE
ACTION Order Setting Trial Date
Revision 10-03-1995T9
ACTION 8:45 Short Trial Calendar
- 10-03-1995 ASSIGNED TO Assigned To Jdg Mattson
140 10-03-1995 ORDER Order Re Support – Affirmed
- 10-03-1995 ASSIGNED, NO TRIAL ____.__ HOURS
PTM Assigned, No Trial ____.__ Hours
Preliminary Trial Motions
141 10-03-1995 MOTION HEARING
JDG0036 Motion Hearing
Judge George T Mattson, Dept 36
- 10-03-1995 VIDEO LOG Video Log 36-95-002/11:34:23
142 08-10-2010 MOTION AND AFFIDAVIT/DECLARATION Motion And Affidavit/declaration
143 08-10-2010 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE Notice Of Appearance
144 08-10-2010 NOTICE OF HEARING
ACTION Notice Of Hearing
Qdro 08-25-2010FM
145 08-10-2010 NOTICE OF ABSENCE/UNAVAILABILITY Notice Of Absence/unavailability
146 08-25-2010 NOTE FOR MOTION DOCKET
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151 02-14-2011 SEALED FINANCIAL DOCUMENT(S) Sealed Financial Document(s)
152 03-10-2011 ORDER
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Marriage announcement of Diane Elizabeth Bemiss & R. Neil Horman:
1969, scroll down & to the right, just below middle.
http://wsh.stparchive.com/Archive/WSH/WSH01301969P08.php
Assume it was his first marriage.
after all that venting i would like to get back to: kyron was seen leaving skyline by witnesses, do we have a approximate time?
the vehicle thing has left me with questions also: was kyron seen inside-outside a truck that was white? was there a maroon car that might have been used to remove him?
do we have an educated guess yet about where auto was parked and left from? back parking lot? access road?
where there any plausible sightings of kyron after the abduction? on monkeys i believe that the “odd” sighting by a man of a white truck in his driveway twice was discredited after monkeys saw actual driveway and decided you couldnt have possibly seen a truck or anything from the house, it wouldnt be visable. has anyone checked into any of the reported sightings elsewhere? trains? airports, boats, etc? like how did sz leave the area?
does anyone have a good discription of sz? apx age, hair color, we got caucasian, how bout heigth?
its been 3 years, by blink profile is it likely he has re-offended by now? would another abduction follow same patterns? is it possible that a sz would keep the victims alive as has happened to children before?
one more question- if tmh was involved where would she find someone to do this for her? where does a person go to look for someone to abduct their stepson? it would be risky, i’m thinking of all the women that get busted asking for mfhire hits on their husbands, (not the failed sting ones by msco/dea lol) did the hormans frequent bars or other places where tmh might have come into contact with people that would love to steal a child?
Thank You, aware
B