Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police
A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued ©
S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime
DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton Horman
In the first part of blinkoncrime.com’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher, she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court. Unofficially cleared, that is.
Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley, who have since refused all local media requests, would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.
Spicher is adamant that law enforcement never had any reason to question her statements to them from the beginning, has cooperated fully for over three years and recently testified before the grand jury to prove she had nothing to hide. While she would like the public to know that any assertions to the contrary are untrue, and sometimes have been offered maliciously, her desire to speak out about her experience over the last three years is primarily to force investigative resources to review it’s progress- and hopefully adjust in a way to further leads in Kyron’s case.
As was proven not only by her recent polygraph, but also by the verification that no evidence ever existed to support investigator’s theory in the first place, Spicher had no information about anyone’s potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, let alone her own.
The continuation of our interview, which provoked some very interesting revelations long felt to be a possibility by many, was confirmed by Ms. Spicher as she says- told to her by Terri Moulton Horman are prompting new possible theories in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman. Two days after Kyron Horman’s eleventh birthday.
Stoy: So, in your estimation then, why do you think that detectives Herron and Kravfe were so sure that you were involved or knew who was.
Spicher: I have thought about this a lot, and I think there were a few reasons. I think because I was advised through a meeting Terri had with a family friend and attorney that she should assume that all of her communication was being monitored by law enforcement and anyone she had contact with. He told her to assume the house was bugged as well as vehicles, etc. I also believe you did an article a while back that pointed out her phone was in Kaine’s name. As this was a day or two after she was served with the restraining order, she was also told that
Stoy (interrupting): You bought a prepaid phone after June 28th and never had one before that? I had read that you or someone else purchased them the day of or the day after Kyron’s disappearance.
Spicher: No. I purchased one prepaid phone, after Terri shared the info from her meeting, in my own name, either June 29th or 30th. I think they were hung up on the fact that I came to her aid with no contact for so long so they just were convinced there had to be.
Stoy: ok, sorry, continue. So you are not saying that LE was suggesting that you were hiding some other number you had and that was how they were alleging that you HAD to have been in contact with Terri or some other person prior to and on June 4th and that escalated your “poi” status in your opinion?
Spicher: They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding. It never made any sense to me because I knew I only had my cell that I had forever until the end of June, and I knew I had not been in contact with Terri since her 40th birthday party in March. So I would ask- well then I guess that means that you don’t have any contacts you can’t verify from either of us so why am I even in this “interview”?
To my recollection they never shared with me or answered any of my questions in response when something they kept hounding me about seemed absurd and conflicting with their theory.
Stoy: Which was?
Spicher: At first, I think that they really believed I was involved, and at some point I think they were talking more “accessory after the fact” because I got the impression ( although they did not share it with me) that Terri’s cell phone activity that day was nowhere near where I was, and my vehicle never left, nor did I. They would not verify that they located the ceramics/glassware artist [pottery artisan] I told you about and still have not.
Stoy: So in your opinion, you were clearly the linchpin of this case, they [LE] believed you held the key to solving it and/or implicating Terri exclusively at that point, they no longer entertained your involvement per se?
Spicher: I honestly don’t think I could say that I ever believed that they stopped treating me as some sort of suspect. I never felt that way, but yes, absolutely they 100% believe that Terri is responsible and I definitely believed we all had to be interviewed and scrutinized or whatever, but I really thought up until the meeting with Norm Frink that they [LE] would abandon that theory quickly because if they were positive I was the key, and I knew I was not, that would also eliminate Terri, who I did not and do not believe, but have no proof, was involved or knew anything.
Stoy: Right, so if you had nothing, and they felt you were the only nexus, it had to mean that they had no independent evidence of anything or anyone else so they would start in another direction?
Spicher: Right, but every interaction I had with them following and including the request to participate in the sting against her, made me believe they never did. To get back to the why question you asked me- my final thought on that is that they kept pointing out that I was the person to tell everyone not to speak to them without attorneys in the beginning. I would ask like who do you mean, because that would have been my opinion across the board for any situation, but it was definitely based on what was getting out about how they were going about this. I was scared and it turned out it was good reason. I also would point out to them that I did not think that was or should be the basis for suspicion because if it was, it seemed to me that I was told that several staff members at Skyline had hired counsel, and Kaine was the FIRST to have one between he and Terri and I had told her at least a week or so before that she should.
Stoy: Why do you think she did not immediately take your friendly advice? Your Dad was LE, and I presume she knew that. People can say what they want, but I know many members of law enforcement in different jurisdictions and agencies. I have worked with them or contributed analysis to cases with them privately [I cannot and would not ever include that in anything I choose to write on] and I can tell you that I do not know one of them that if they were the focus of a criminal probe or internal investigation they absolutely do not agree to an interview without a representative. In fact, Herron is or was the President of Mulnomah County Police Union or was, if I recall correctly. So to that end, I find that a pretty hypocritical reason for suspicion of anyone.
Spicher: (laughs) Interesting. I am not sure that I knew that. The reason Terri didn’t get an atty before the RO was because she was told by LE that if she did, she wouldn’t be privvy to any of their investigative discoveries, she would be out of the loop in finding Kyron.
Stoy: Have you had a desire or opportunity to review any sort of past events regarding the MCSO, I guess I should add, that involve anyone in this case or investigation you have had contact with?
Spicher: No, do you mean like any other detectives or that sort of thing?
Stoy: Have you ever met with or been interviewed with any other agencies or detectives?
Spicher: I believe I either met or just said hello to the guy you mentioned in that recent article of yours while he was at the house. Both Kaine and Terri were there at the time as well.
Stoy: Bobby O’Donnell?
Spicher: That’s it, yes, him. Why did you ask me if I am aware of any sort of events- should I be?
Stoy: Well, I think that tangentially if I were you I would be considering just about everything as it related to what you have been through, and I am aware of some what I will refer to as “stuff” but what I don’t want to do prior to the completion of our interview process is temper any of your responses with anything I know peripherally if that’s ok with you. If you wish, once I publish the continuation which will have that sort of information, I would invite you to comment on it for the record if you choose- are you ok with that?
Spicher: yes, that’s fine and probably a good idea.
Stoy: back briefly to the “sting request against Terri- On that issue- the request they extended to you outside the presence of your attorney and that they asked you not to tell Chad, as you think back , considering you have had no communication with Horman for over three years did you believe they thought it would work? What did your attorney say when you told him?
Spicher: I can’t and won’t address any conversations I have had with my attorney, but to answer your question as to my opinion, I really don’t know for sure, I knew that I did not, and thought it was really, really odd- that was my first reaction. After more thought, and other conversations, I don’t see how they thought it would work, or why they were still seemingly convinced after I had just passed the poly, etc, Terri was still their suspect and responsible. What is your opinion on it?
Stoy: I think I may reserve my thoughts on that for my piece. Again, not wanting to temper your opinions as we move along here and I think that could happen if I did. Is that ok with you?
Spicher: Sure, thank you.
Stoy: I would like to move on to another subject for discussion. I would just like to confirm for the record that I have never prior to this interview, asked you any questions about your potential knowledge of steroid use by yourself, or by Terri or Kaine Horman. Is that correct?
Spicher: Correct, ok.
Stoy: Did they ask you this?
Spicher: Who is they? You got a lot of pronouns flying around (laughs).
Stoy: Fair point, you’re right. The good news is, as English, or should I say proper English is my second language (laughs) I use an copy editor. Allow me to rephrase please. Did anyone in law enforcement at any time ask you about steroids or other illegal injectable supplements sometimes used in weight training or body building in your interviews in this case?
Spicher: Your question was did they [le] ask me anything about steroids or anything injectable ever?
Stoy: (laughs) now who’s throwing around the pronouns?
Spicher: (laughs) touche’ . I was asked about it very vaguely in the beginning, I told them I had never used them, that I did not believe Terri ever did because she and I had similar views against using them and while we were on different supplement regimens when I was training for a marathon in 2008 I still remembered her to be knowledgeable about legal and effective nutritional supplements. I had no reason to believe she had ever used any kind of steroids. I can’t say conclusively she never did but it would shock me.
Stoy: Why shock you?
Spicher: Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing” and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well, impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.
Stoy: So for the record, when you say juicing you are referring to illegal steroids, not my Omega specials I make, correct? That was the only question they ever asked you and did not ask any follow up questions like how long ago, etc, etc. And so would you characterize the way law enforcement asked that question and their reaction to your response as disinterested, or having nothing to do with the case?
Spicher: I was never asked about Kaine’s use of steroids by either detectives or the grand jury. But yes, that is what she told me. I actually had forgotten all about it until she refreshed my recollection when I stayed there with her. To the best of my memory I was asked just what I said, I answered as I just said and was never asked any follow up question nor was it mentioned again to me by law enforcement . I don’t think I ever really understood what they did or did not think in terms of my information was important to the case, but yes, they were disinterested from my perspective as to it was the only time I was ever asked about it over the course of three and a half years and so my assumption is they still are. But that is my assumption.
Stoy: Understood, you are referring to the time you stayed at the Horman home late June 2010 through early July 2010 following Kaine’s service of the restraining order and her exclusive use of the home? Spicher: I am not sure about the exclusive use part, I didn’t really know anything about how that sort of thing worked and I think for some reason I want to say Terri was not allowed to show anyone.
Stoy: Ok. Tell me everything you know about that. But, I would like you to see if you can provide me your recollection from what you were told about steroid use PRIOR to your conversations about it that refreshed your memory. By the way, who else knows about this, if you know.
Spicher: Terri’s attorney Stephen Houze.
Stoy: How would you know that?
Spicher: Because I helped her load them up, what appeared to me to be syringes in a box and deliver it to her attorney’s office, she said, at his request. She also located some cancelled checks for what she said was Kaine’s payment for steroids. I don’t remember who they were made out to but it was not to cash.
Stoy: ok, understood, we will get back to that. I want to try and focus on what she told you those “few years back.” Do you recall what year, even ballpark.
Spicher: I want to say, but can’t be sure, it was after her competition in 2005, and I am tempted to say it was around the time they got married or shortly thereafter- I am just not going to be much help in remembering this if you are asking me to extract what I remembered from then on my own.
Stoy: Nope, that’s what I am asking, your fine, I don’t want to lead you but let me ask you a few things that may help. Do you remember where you were during the conversation.
Spicher: I remember it was either the one and only time I ever had lunch with Terri, or it was during a time she called my cell, Terri had a lot of drama, and so I was in a Home & Garden Show class and I recall I was saying things out loud to let he know I was not free to talk really or respond as she was talking, so I was saying things like… I don’t know, we should probably touch base on that when I am done here, or sounds good that we chat on it later.
Stoy: The brush up the other party is not getting, like that?
Spicher: Yes, she was not getting it and so I was kind of 50% paying attention. It was either during that call or at the lunch. Other than that, I am not remembering the timing so well.
Stoy: But you would say a few years before Kyron went missing so based on that 2007 or 2008? Do you remember if they were married at the time?
Spicher: Again, we were friends for a good number of years but not close friends, I almost felt like if she was calling me or talking to me about it she had no other option at the time.
Stoy: Got it. What did she say
Spicher: She said that Kaine had been aggressive with her and impatient with the children and she attributed that to his “juicing”. She confronted him and she felt he did not listen to her. She told me that she then called a detective and turned in Kaine’s seller. The member at the gym, I used to know the name but I really can’t recall because I was in the early morning crowd and this guy was more afternoon, I presume when they were there or they saw him. I had stopped going to the same gym as them ater the first year or two I met them there.
Stoy: So she called a detective to turn in the seller Kaine was buying steroids from? Wasn’t she concerned about the fact that buying them is also illegal and that Kaine could face charges?
SPicher: She told me that she contacted a detective and said she would be willing to turn over information about someone selling steroids but only if she could do so anonymously and without saying who was buying them, etc.
Stoy: So it was your understanding that she was trying to work out a scenario that would stop Kaine’s use without him ever knowing it was her by turning in that person? Sort of like… she gets approval to remain anonymous, she gives the tip and then one day comes home and says… “Hey honey, guess what I heard at the gym.. you better stop that or you could be arrested for it, etc?
Spicher: Yes, something like that. Except and again, we have discussed it at one or both these occasions, but that did not work out. The detective called her again directly and she was upset that there was further contact. From what I recall, I think that was the tone of what she was telling me.
Stoy: Understood, so you are thinking that it may have been why she was sort of wired about it and not hearing you try to go about your day, but insisting and venting like she was upset by it.
Spicher: Yes, I think so.
Stoy: Do you think she could have called you because your Dad was law enforcement and she might need that sort of advice. I don’t think so because she did not ask for any. So then what? Did Kaine find out?
Spicher: I just remember there was some sort of investigation of the guy, and I really don’t know if Kaine ever found out about it or knows to this day. If the seller or anyone was arrested or anything else at the time I do not remember, that was how much I paid attention to it then until Terri reminded me of it.
Stoy: Ok. Now, why is it that Terri was discussing it with you when you were staying at the house with her in your view?
Spicher: Because after the restraining order was served and I guess she realized where Kaine was headed, it was sort of like- if he was going to badmouth her, in her estimation it was false, but anyway, that Kaine had skeletons in his own closet sort of thing. She told her lawyer [Houze] and she said he instructed her to bring the syringes and the cancelled checks to his office. We did.
Stoy: So was Terri saying that Kaine was using steroids behind her back and she found this or that she knew and was having sort of the same reaction as last time, or she just learned once he was out of the home or what? Was she suggesting this to you like it had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance?
Spicher: I got the impression she did not know, or at least did not know when the last time he was using them was, but it gets fuzzy for me there because it is my belief up until the time the RO was served, in my opinion she would have tried to protect Kaine from le finding out so I don’t know if she told le, but it would surprise me. Terri was always very family centric. She would protect her family unit, and that is why she did the turning in thing, this would seem the same to me until he made those murder for hire allegations.
Stoy: So did you get the impression from her that she thought that her allegation of Kaine’s steroid use had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance?
Spicher: No, not at all.
Stoy: Nothing like, maybe this happened as some sort of retribution against her for turning someone in previously or against Kaine if they thought he was involved because after all she says he was the one buying it back then?
Spicher: No, she told me she had no idea who was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or why, and the only possibility she came up with after the fact because of his past behavior and the fact that he showed up at her door demanding $10,000 she had no idea what he was talking about, that it was the landscaper. He was the only person acting like a criminal at the time.
Stoy: Have you ever seen a text of hers involving the custody situation after the fact, after the Rudy Sanchez Estrada “sting” and she called police twice that day/evening that ended with “mark 1 for the FBI.”
Spicher: I may have, if I did I don’t remember it specifically.
Stoy: She specifically said the FBI, who has only ever assisted in this case, and who has no jurisdictional presence in Kyron’s case, I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.
Spicher: No, I don’t have any idea what she meant.
Is it possible that illegal steroid use or sales and the recent public outing there was an ongoing Federal Investigation with the emphasis on police and gym members that included persons familiar to the Horman’s contributed to the circumstances involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman?
Has it been excluded by having more law enforcement investigating themselves?
Roid Rumors and Boys In Blue.. Coincidence Or Clue?
It is no secret that Oregon has seen it’s share of corruption allegations in recent years. The very public and very disturbing account of it’s Governor Neil Goldschmidt’s involvement with a 14 year old girl earned Willamette Week’s Nigel Jaquiss a Pulitzer in 2005 for breaking the story a year earlier. As a strong argument for the trickle down effect, Goldschmidt’s former driver Bernie Giusto- who became the Multnomah County Sheriff following the debacle, was forced to resign his position when a State agency declared they would be removing his police certifications due to his lack of “moral fitness” outlined in the now infamous Giusto Report. A former Sheriff, Bob Skipper, was then appointed to take his place, but after two attempts could not pass the required certifications. The current Multnomah Sheriff Dan Staton, who has since won an election, was appointed in his place. Several current MCSO officers assigned to Kyron’s case were interviewed for the Giusto report.
In fact, Bobby O’Donnell was the lead investigator in Kyron’s case for the first 18 months who according to his own words in his interview was the unfortunate subject of an allegation involving his own very messy divorce.
MCSO Sgt Brett Ritchie stated in a police interview that O’Donnell was seen waving a gun and threatening his life [Ritchie] after he began dating O’Donnell’s ex wife. Laura O’Donnell was granted a restraining order against him that later became an agreement between the couple.
The lead investigator in the case of a missing child openly threatened a ranking officer and that incident was never investigated outside of Ritchie being told to stay away from O’Donnell. O’Donnell’s deposition and his motion to quash it are the subject of a hearing scheduled for Friday September 13, 2013.
There is no question the agency tasked with the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman has had several and more recent embarrassing entanglements.
In another investigative piece by the Willamette Week, it exposes the egregious overtime paychecks that members of the prosecutors and investigators assigned to Kyron’s case have received during the early months following Kyron’s disappearance.
It is unclear how Multnomah County ever had jurisdiction in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance. According to the Skyline School’s filed safety and response plan, the Portland Police Bureau is the agency of record.
Multnomah County’s former woes might have paled a bit in comparison if only by the difference a year makes to public memory, to that of their fellow neighboring officers in Canby, located in Clackamas County.
After several investigations into the selling and possible use of anabolic steroids a Canby Police officer, which were repeatedly stalled due to his caption tipping other’s off in the alleged ring , Officer Jason Deason was arrested along with Canby Landscape Supply Owner William Traverso, Brian Casey Paul Jackson were arrested. The investigation was believed to be ongoing and Traverso, Deason and Jackson all cut deals for quick prison stints that shocked fellow officers and the public alike. The specifics of which were sealed by the court. It is now known that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continued to require the ongoing cooperation of it’s criminals turned informants to pursue federal indictments against possible targets in law enforcement and members of the bodybuilding set- to include acquaintances of Kaine and Terri Horman.
Presuming the confirmed allegations are true- is it possible that ‘a few years back’ Terri Horman unwittingly set off a state turned Federal investigation into the buying, using and selling of human growth hormone and anabolic steroids? How could this be connected, if it is, to the timing of Kyron’s disappearance even if she had?
“… Jackson, through a plea deal on state charges in 2009 where he admitted to selling anabolic steroids to Canby police officers in uniform, had been working with the FBI on an ongoing investigation when they confronted him with the knowledge that he was found deceptive on a polygraph designed to indicate if Jackson’s participation was far more extensive then he originally admitted to…”
“…Jackson, with his attorney, began cooperating with federal authorities shortly after his arrest. He identified his source for steroids as Vancouver resident Rainbow “Bo” Wild Keepers, 39, a competitive bodybuilder and photographer. Agents ran Keepers’ name in federal databases and discovered that an Arizona man had tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration years ago that Keepers was his source of steroids. Keepers was never charged…”
On June 3rd, 2010, approximately 24 hours before Kyron Horman’s disappearance, Jackson was arrested on a Federal warrant following a sealed indictment issued the day before after failing a polygraph and refusing to help the FBI further.
From the Indictment:
Between June 2, 2005 and May 2008, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials B.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).
It has since been revealed that the initials BW stand for Bradley Worden. Worden owns a few businesses, all relating to wholesale gym equipment or nutritional products. Worden has never been charged.
Between June 2006 and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials N.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).
The identity of the person with initials NW is unknown.
Between June 2, 2005, and December 2007,: in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule illcontrolled substances, to a person with the initials G.P., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and
841(b)( 1)(E).
The identity of the person with the initials G.P is unknown.
Between June 2, 2005, and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule III controlled substances, to a person with the initials S.B., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and 84l(b)(1)(E).
The initials S.B. refer to Steve Beaudoin, a former work associate of Jackson’s and current Oregon State safety officer.
According to assistant U.S. Attorney Jane Shoemaker, Jackson sold Beaudoin at least 50 pills of the steroid Winstrol, an injectable steroid called Deca Durabolin, Sustanon and, in June 2007, 100 pills of Anavar on one to two occasions. Shoemaker also said Jackson sold Beaudoin $500 worth of human growth hormone. Investigators discovered the sales through witness interviews and Jackson’s computer records, Shoemaker said.
From Buff To Puff
In contrast to Jackson, although Traverso also sold to Deason and other members of law enforcement, William ‘Jake’ Traverso, a former competitive bodybuilder and “Mr. Oregon” cooperated extensively with the FBI by identifying other law enforcement officers he sold steroids to, and got a lenient sentence of 15 days in jail, 30 days home detention and 24 months probation, with no federal charges.
In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote, “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”
Traverso, Deason and Jackson were cooperating with the Feds simultaneously, and in a very public way. Although Deason had been similarly employed by the Canby Police under Chief Greg Kroeplin, at least one of the raids on Traverso- Deason’s client, was by Deason’s Canby fellow officer James Murphy.
John Hingson, Traverso’s attorney and past commentator on the Horman case, sparred with then ADA Norm Frink as well. Hingson unearthed the report that included Murphy had been demoted following Deason’s arrest and his credibility was called into question. Murphy worked the graveyard shift with Deason. The report also revealed that both Deason and Officer James Murphy, who was one of the few to initiate an investigation into Deason’s steroid abuse, were put at risk when they were scheduled to work side by side as the only two officers on that shift.
“…Hingson obtained a 2009 report written by private detectives the City of Canby had hired to investigate the steroid scandal. Among their findings: Murphy had been demoted from detective to officer for alleged dishonesty…”
Chief GregKroeplin resigned prior to release of a scorching memo outlining the city’s findings they had outsourced properly to two retired Oregon detectives, which would have resulted in his termination.
Murphy, still employed by Canby Police, is apparently looking to renew the agencies stint for bad press.
On October 13, 2011, six months after former Willamette Week journalist James Pitkin featured his Lord of The Flies article outlining Murphy’s internal investigation led to his demotion for dishonestly, he arrested a freelance sports reporter while taking pictures of him exiting the Canby Police Headquarters on duty and entering his personal vehicle.
Andrew Millbrooke filed a Federal lawsuit in 2012 against The City of Canby, Officer James Murphy and his captain Bret Smith for excessive force and wrongful arrest which took place after Murphy used his cruiser to follow Millbrooke who was on foot. In a police report from another officer in the case, Millbrooke tells him he is a freelance journalist trying to expose corruption and drug use by Officer Murphy. The suit is pending. A review of the declarations by both Mr. Smith and Mr. Murphy do not include the details of the investigative report commissioned by The City Of Canby discussing Mr. Murphy’s prior demotion. Mr. Murphy also had a recent court decision regarding improper procedure [See Bonneau].
With pending motions to release the employment files of some Canby police officers to include Murphy, the charges against Traverso were dismissed this past May due the state delaying the case over 23 months.
Traverso, Deason and Jackson are all currently on probation. Traverso is awaiting trial on recent charges involving watermelon theft.
As the Federal Bureau of Investigation is listed as an investigative partner to MCSO in the Kyron Horman investigation, it is their policy not to release files where they are not the lead agency of record or during an ongoing criminal investigation .
Requests for comment from Kaine Horman through his attorney Brett Engel regarding the allegations that he has either purchased or sold illegal steroids have not been returned at the time of this publication.
However, in an article published to include a quote from Kaine Horman it seems that Kaine confirms Ms. Spicher’s assertion that Terri Horman did not use illegal steroids, but rather nutritional supplements and had moved past those very quickly after her bodybuilding competition.
“…Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.
“She’s not eating a lot of food, she’s exercising twice a day, she’s up at 4 o’clock in the morning, she’s not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her,” he said.
He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.
At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash…”
S.Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief, www.blinkoncrime.com was able to independently confirm Ms. Spicher’s account of alleged steroid use and ensuing investigation of a gym member as told to her by Terri Horman.
The source, an associate of Terri Horman, DeDe Spicher and Kaine Horman who declined to be identified, went on to say that at the time it was “… really common knowledge who was using steroids and who was selling them…” “… was not aware previously that Terri Horman claimed to have instigated contact with law enforcement to turn in the seller…” The source declined to identify the seller and could not say for certain if he was charged and likely would not away- given the request not to disclose the source’s name on the record.
Reached for comment, Terri Moulton Horman Attorney Stephen Houze declined to comment based on his policy of not speaking publicly when a client has pending legal matters.
A request for comment to Mr. Bunch, Terri Horman’s divorce attorney has not been returned by the time of this publication.
More Questions Than Answers..
Following several hours of interviews with DeDe Spicher, the woman who was not a close friend to Terri Horman but ultimately was the closest to her in the early days of the investigation- are we left with more questions than answers about what could have happened to the little boy whose 11th birthday was 2 days ago?
Spicher concedes that anything she discussed as told to her by Terri Horman in some minor instances may only be verifiable by Horman herself- and she is not talking… Yet.
She also points out that ultimately everything she told me she shared with investigators as far as “truthfulness” was confirmed by a polygraph – to include the question “Was she withholding any information from investigators?”
She was not.
Although limited, Spicher’s accounts in many instances confirm sparse information heard early on from Terri herself. Not the least of which was that although widely criticized for not speaking out publicly, she was told by investigators not to under any circumstances- and when she broached the possibility of retaining counsel was told that she would then be cut off from any information as to the investigation process to find Kyron Horman.
Through Spicher, Horman also confirmed that out of concern for Horman’s “spacieness” which she defined by walking into a room and staring off, not remembering, etc, Terri Horman called his pediatrition Thursday June 3rd and made an appointment for Friday June 11th. His last day of school. Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.
Initially, prior to learning Kyron had been marked absent not very long after she left the building, that was Horman’s first thought. Those hopes grew into panic with that revelation that he had been missing for hours.
Spicher says Terri was adamant that she never had a sexual relationship with the now infamous landscaper Rudy Sanchez Estrada Spicher agrees that her friend had the propensity to be flirtatious but she never knew her to be sexually promiscuous. Outside of the fact that she says at Kaine’s request to occasionally include an additional female in the bedroom, to which Spicher declined, she was not aware that the Horman’s had a swinger lifestyle.
To her knowledge, there were other women that were asked to participate in a threesome with the couple that did not say no some years ago, but had no current knowledge and she herself was never involved with Horman sexually.
In her take, the addition of a 3rd female was an expression of control on Kaine’s part in the relationship.
Terri explained the landscapers “sexual accosting” , previously reported exclusively by www.blinkoncrime this way:
“… She said she had Kitty on her hip and he came up behind her and was kissing her neck and put his arm around her and when she verbally resisted with concern that Kitty was in her arms he sort of grabbed her and she spun around and broke free…”
Spicher adds that on more than one occasion she tried to bring that up during meetings with DA Norm Frink and investigators. One one occasion, as suggested by her Father, a former Klamath County Marine Officer, at their own expense The Klamath County Sheriff and his first lieutenant had agreed to meet with Frink, Spicher and her father on DeDe’s behalf to sort of provide character backgrounds and family history he felt would be helpful in clearing her.
“… This came up in the first interview I had with Mr Frink and I told him she had made that call. Later in the interview when he was trying to push more of my buttons, he tells me that call never happened (implying Terri had lied to me). I told him okay, that’s what you’re telling me, but I recall it differently (implying he was lying to me right then). He got very angry about that and insisted it was “fact”. I said okay, whatever. Much later, like one of the last times I met with Mr Frink, the Klamath County Sheriff and his 1st Lieutenant flew up on their own dime to meet with Mr Frink & Keith Krafve to see if they could help by offering their opinion of my character, and that it didn’t seem unusual to them at all that I would go help Terri, that it is very consistent with how my family has always been. At that meeting, I retold the story of Rudy sexually accosting Terri (her words), but said I wasn’t sure about the 911 call. That totally infuriated Mr Frink. I told him I was trying to believe him and simply not certain about what I could remember on that point.
The DAs office behaved very strangely toward the Klamath Co Sheriff and his Lt. They tried everything they could to keep us separated and even insisted that they (the DAs office) drive them back to the airport, despite the fine fact that we (Dad & I) had picked them up and brought them in, and would definitely be seeing them again in the near future. It was just weird, to all of us…”
I asked DeDe if she used the term called 911 in every exchange. She had. I asked her if she got the impression that the reason Frink was so sure it never happened was because there was no 911 call on the record about it – could it be that maybe she reached out to that former law enforcement person she contacted on the steroid issue and it was actually a dispatch call versus a trackable 911 call issue.
Spicher says she got the impression that Frink was suggesting that the “accosting” as described by her friend did not happen, but could not be sure except to say that Frink seemed to become irate when she brought it up on every occasion. Spicher felt Sanchez Estrada was the only person behaving like a criminal and that supported the accounts she was given.
I asked DeDe if Terri mentioned ever paying Sanchez Estrada for work at the Horman home. She said she did not recall Terri ever saying anything other than she had no idea what he was talking about when he came to the door and asked for $10,000 so she slammed the door in his face and called 911.
Stoy: So did she think it was some sort of extortion attempt now that she had mentioned him to investigators and they told her that they had interviewed him?
Spicher: She thought that he was dangerous from her past experience.
Stoy: Did you think it was odd that with a brand new John Deere tractor parked outside that TH was hiring a landscaper? I was able to confirm through other sources that he cleared some blackberry or blueberry bushes similar to Ms. Von Klevelen, and the tractor does not have a UCC lien on it, meaning it was not financed.
Spicher: No, it wasn’t. Kaine bought it. It was Terri’s job to manage the inside of the house as well as the entire property. I knew that when Kaine would travel he would come up with this project lists for her to complete by the time he got home. I mean, like cleaning the gutters, cutting the grass, washing all the windows, that sort of thing. To the best of my recollection Terri and Kaine did not have bank accounts together- he controlled everything he made.
Stoy: With a baby, 7 year old and teenager and hubby out of town? How was she managing that? No wonder he was suggesting that she was pouring through money like water or something like that, she was probably hiring help. I am not even sure I think a woman by herself at that property with a baby should be on the roof by herself anyway.
Spicher: No, Terri had to pay any support money or whatever to the household expenses and I have surmised Kaine gave her some sort of allowance which she probably blew through pretty quickly on frivolous things like food and clothes for her children. I have never known Terri to be frivolous with money. I know of at least two times when the projects she was supposed to accomplish were impossible for her to manage. One was the windows so I believe she hired someone that time and as I recall her parents paid for that. I believe the other was the landscaper.
Stoy: Is it a fair question for me to ask how you feel about Kaine, from your tone I am sensing you are not a fan.
Spicher: I have tremendous compassion for Kaine- he lost his child- what can one even say about that? But no, he is not someone I would want to be friends with today and I was cordial to him whenever I was around him but he was very controlling and was pretty mean to Terri about her weight from Kitty, things like that- I am not going to have anything in common with that.
Stoy: Did Terri ever mention anything about conflicts with Desiree Young, whether they were between her and she or Kaine and Desiree?
Spicher: Not that I recall, but I also never heard her speak of Desiree negatively at any time previously or when I stayed with her [Terri].
Stoy: That is saying a lot because right after the sting Ms. Young was pretty accusatory pretty quickly- and I do note that was based on information from law enforcement. Similar to some of the things both she and Kaine said publicly about you. Are you angry about that?
Spicher: O my no. That poor woman is going through hell and acted on information that I was told, lie or not, was given to her and Kaine. I have nothing but compassion for her and I wish I could shoulder some of her pain because I can.. I have nothing but compassion for all of Kyron’s parents and any anger I have over how I was treated, what I went through would never be directed at them. I really pray that Kyron will be found, I choose to put my energy into hope for that.
Pending Matters
Through Attorney Bunch, Terri Horman makes the claim that both law enforcement and Kaine Horman have been perpetrating the dissemination of inaccurate information involving the circumstances of Kyron Horman’s disappearance.
In a recent filing, set for hearing this Friday, Bunch pens a scathing reply to Deputy O’Donnell’s motion to quash, and accuses the county of improper ex parte communication.
Early this afternoon, a source within the Multnomah County Courthouse speaking on the condition of anonymity has confirmed that on behalf of Multnomah County, a motion has been filed to limit certain documents or discoverable information related to Mr. Horman and Bobby O’Donnell of the MCSO.
A hearing is scheduled before Judge Kantor for this Friday September 13, 2013
Jacqueline Beaufort, Ellie Sanders – research and contributing editors to this article.
Jason Mateos- contributing editor, copy.
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re “This is what makes me believe that they at least have interviewed SZ before.”
Why would he have surfaced to interview?
On the list?
PPS staff?
A community “volunteer” or
person with community standing due to employment or business?
A school neighbor?
A school vendor or contractor?
What are the interview subject parameters?
Here is what wikipedia says about Linnton
Linnton is a Portland, Oregon neighborhood located between Forest Park and the Willamette River along U.S. Route 30 (NW St. Helens Rd.), close to the agricultural community of Sauvie Island. It borders the neighborhoods of Northwest Industrial on the south, St. Johns and Cathedral Park via the St. Johns Bridge across the Willamette on the east, and Forest Park (with which it overlaps substantially) on the west. The neighborhood extends north somewhat beyond Portland city limits into unincorporated Multnomah County, ending at the Sauvie Island Bridge….
Linnton was soon annexed by Portland in 1915, bringing with it much of today’s Forest Park.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linnton,_Portland,_Oregon
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looks about as confusing police territory-wise as Skyline!
Very interesting interview with Amanda. I’ve not studied this case nor am firmly convinced of complet innocence. But the way that she described the initial interrogation and the subsequent disbelief in being a real “suspect” at the time reminded me much of THIS case.
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=228936221&sec=657179&ref=rcvidmod
Short exerpt (I might not have transcribed verbatum):
“They find a young woman….murdered…..and they took that information and tried to fit another young woman into that scenario…and the only way that they could do that is if they created a person of evil who is capable of doing that to her friend. They had to make that up and make that person be me….”.
Righteous suit against PPS?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/madison_high_custodian_files_s.html#incart_river
seems easy to get ROs in MC:
“Wilson, in her petition for a restraining order against Winchester, claimed that the custodian and his companion yelled at her and called her a home-wrecker. A judge granted the restraining order on March 4, court records show.”
Are we thinking that maybe Kaine has done a super-masterful job of manipulating LE? That there is the possibility that the SEXTS were typed in by Kaine, not by Terri, but by Kaine pretending he was Terri. And that Kaine and MC were having a hoot working against Terri?
It seems very odd that Terri would type that stuff.
If so, did he not care one teeny bit about Kyron? I wonder if he does even know. It almost seems like Priority #1 is to get rid of wifey.
It also makes one wonder how involved MC may have been in Kyron’s disappearance for “oh, say, maybe five years”.
Is there a possibility that MC was one of the SZ interviewed at one point by LE, as Blink mentioned.
<Link: T. Ruth says: October 28, 2013 at 1:05 pm – Blink's comment at the bottom: Quote:
This is what makes me believe that they at least have interviewed SZ before.
B
Would KH have figured that this would put an end to any kind of fight by Terri and finally end any kind of relationship with her daughter, that Terri knew exactly the lengths Kaine would go to to turn her into the Awful Person of the Year.
..and that LE bought all of his input, hook, line and sinker??
LE can't be THAT dumb. Do you suppose they are baiting Kaine, and slowly reeling him in, sly old fish that he is??
@Amys Sister says:October 28, 2013 at 2:44 pm
correction para 2: I wonder if he does even know.
I wonder if he does even NOW.
@Rose, I took the comment to mean that SZ had been interviewed before, as in prior to Kyron’s abduction. As in, SZ learned from prior experience. I could be wrong.
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I have to believe that it took that long for them to make the unalterable mistakes a LEA with zero experience in such a thing might. They believed he wandered off because he did, with another student once before. Very different than a Dr. appt with his step mom.
This is what makes me believe that they at least have interviewed SZ before.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/comment-page-39/#comments
Likely PPB will have to go into Receivership under the Federal judge until the City Council makes necessary changes to police accountability.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/portland_police_chief_mike_ree_13.html#incart_river
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Righteous suit against PPS?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/madison_high_custodian_files_s.html#incart_river
seems easy to get an RO in MC:
“Wilson, in her petition for a restraining order against Winchester, claimed that the custodian and his companion yelled at her and called her a home-wrecker. A judge granted the restraining order on March 4, court records show.”
@Red Rose. I thought Blink said DDS
believed the texts to be Terri’s, as did she.
imo mothers can be diagnosed with Axis I and/or II
disorders but do not lose child custody or have it
jeopardized in a divorce. While there are peripheral explanations
(like social status, money, connections), the real bottom line is behavior
& its impact on the child. KH has to prove detrimental behaviors in
everyday life adversely impacting Kiara. A good example, in a divorce,
is N Khawam, sister of the Petraeus friend for whom he wrote a Court letter.
Judge looked to her behaviors.
As Blink has outlined, the chances that TH had left with Kyron from the school are nil. Kyron was seen with a male who asked permission for Kyron to help him. Yet, the activities that TH included stopping at stores, speaking to an old friend another stop at a dry cleaner as well as posting on facebook can possibly be viewed as alibi building.
Others are questioning KH’s possible involvement in Kyron’s disappearance and include elaborate master mining skills with intent to do away with his now unwanted wife and Mother of his unexpected Daughter by setting her up.
TH has a record of dui while transporting her underage minor Son. He also alleges she drank at other times and that she did so with their baby Daughter present.
It appears to me that TH had a whole lot more to lose in a divorce than would KH.
Apparently TH was fully aware of KH’s alleged affair according to DS.
Did TH fear her fate would be the same as DY? Two peas in a pod?
DY and TH had consistant communication. Some describe them as friends.
Certainly they were “friendly” enough for DY and TY to stay at the Horman home following Kyron’s disappearance.
And still DY pushes on while solidly pointing her finger at TH who we have discovered was NOT the last person to see Kyron, afterall.
The billboard and DY talking about seeing TH jogging and where was over the top imho.
If DY believed TH knew of Kyron’s whereabouts and she were the only person who could bring him back, why would DY make public statements that would potentially place TH in danger?
Leslie, hi thank you for letting me know my post gave you much to think about- as that is exactly what the purpose of the writings are- just to offer up a different perspective and kept the discussion from becoming melochramatic.
Please feel free to share any thoughts you may agree/disagree with.
I think it is a good thing too challenge a point- an opinion -a good thing to challenge the evidence or lack thereof-
It keeps us all on our toes and our minds sharp
Without an opposing view or other possible theories for the whys and what fors we all run the risk of becoming complacent in our own long held beliefs-
“Our truth” can become the ONLY truth – which can lead us all to over look a valid point or some important detail.
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So again thank you
AJMO peace
RedRose says:
October 29, 2013 at 12:25 am
Would KH have figured that this would put an end to any kind of fight by Terri and finally end any kind of relationship with her daughter, that Terri knew exactly the lengths Kaine would go to to turn her into the Awful Person of the Year.
..and that LE bought all of his input, hook, line and sinker??
LE can’t be THAT dumb. Do you suppose they are baiting Kaine, and slowly reeling him in, sly old fish that he is??
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Whatever happened to Kyron, Kaine has used this to get rid of Terri and keep Kiara and put him in the driver’s seat. I don’t think LE/DA bought his input hook line and sinker, and I don’t think they are baiting him. DA has been orchestrating the legal strategy against Terri from the sting on down, possibly sending Kaine to Rackner in the first place. I don’t believe they would have become so involved as sidekick to Kaine. Their involvement in the RO, removing Kiara from her mother without evidence or custody evaluation, and continuing through family court filings doesn’t seem like something Kaine could know to suggest. IMO they have their own agenda for wanting to convict Terri, and it is highly convenient that Kaine wants the same thing. IMO there is something significant being covered up by this strategy, something that possibly both DA and Kaine know about or maybe they each have their own separate reasons. It is undeniable that much important information has been held back from the pubic. Why withhold the fact that Kyron was seen leaving with a man and go on accusing Terri publicly? It is possible they know why Kyron was taken and that this is what makes them sure other children are not in danger, but they have no right to make that decision. They seem determined to pursue Terri at all costs and ignore facts. why?
T. Ruth says:
October 26, 2013 at 1:30 pm
@Mom3.0 says:
October 26, 2013 at 2:25 am
Perhaps you misunderstood, what was weird to me was that Kaine’s original divorce filing mentioned zero about him wanting to stay in that house and have Terri leave the premises.
This, IMHO, is definitely not something that an extremely experienced divorce attorney, such as Rackner, would ever, ever overlook in the first filing. So IMO, he didn’t care about whether or not he stayed in that house, when he filed the FAPA on the last weekend in June.
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–T Ruth Im sorry if you felt I misunderstood- I didnt I was just sharing my thoughts on the issue-
I see your point about wondering if Rackner overlooked something etc-
I dont know what the answer is TRuth
Didnt Blink say that part of the reason they werent focusing on getting terri out at that point is that they we utilizing the home as part of the surveillance/bugging factor?
You wrote:
Something made him want to go back to the house after the fact, over two weeks later. So, I’m wondering what did?
basing this on my experience with human nature I would opine that Kaine petitioned the court to move up the date of teris departure due in part because he thought to himself >>>>>> wow okay Kiara and I are living outside the comfort of our home, and terri laying about on the couch ple3asuring herself…- and meeting with high priced lawyers and having a grand old time drinking and eating nutter butters…and not utilizing the time allotted to move for the comfort of her own daughter….well alrighty then – she obviously can take that “extra time” and put it towrd vacating the premise sooner rather than later….<<<<<<<<
Just a thought TRut, but could it be as simple as Kaine realized that Kiara would fair better in her own home and the sooner he could get that comfort for her the better-as well as for Kyron as that early on there was more hope & wouldnt he want to return to his own own home?
heres an article from that time
snipped(fox)–
In Thursday's interview, Horman said one reason he wants to move back into his house is to return his daughter to her normal surroundings. He and his daughter have been living in an undisclosed location.
"Part two is, we find Kyron, what are they gonna do, ship him off to our undisclosed location?" Horman said. "I mean, how homey is that gonna be for him when we find him?"….Kaine Horman added that he was upset about Terri occupying the family home, keeping him and his daughter out of it.
"Displacing a child for the comfort of an adult. I think we all have our opinions on how appropriate that is," he said.
Besides isnt it true
He never "forced" Terri to leave the home
She most certainly had the opportunity to contest. She CHOSE not to contest -
Same as she chose not to contest the restraining order nor IIRC did she at that time contest the visitation /custody order- in fact didnt she refuse to submit to mental health evaluations when she did make the initial request to change the visitation custody order which was in OCt of 2010- she was also sure to ask that Kaine pay for her supervised visitation
Now i realize that most think she had NO choice-but the ugly truth is that when we hire a lawyer whther divorce or criminal they work for us-
so at anytime that Terri felt Houze was not working FOR her best interests or better yet, for the best interests of Kiara or Ky- she could have said wait- no – please find a way for me to speak out and address these issues while at the same time protecting my behind-
She did file papers to have kaine pay for her move out of the home…
Certainly one of the best criminal attorneys working in conjunction with a good family court lawyer could have found a way…. maybe set up a mutually beneficial agreement with the court or Kaines lawyers or possibly with LE
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yet didnt she decide to remain silent as anything she said may have "incriminated" her-
But again she was more than happy speak out to Cook- a man for all she knew could have been a kidnapper-
She shared lots of info about Kiaras whereabouts and her legal troubles as well as how much she was paying Houze and how horny she was and her worries over never getting "any" again–
Cook a man she asked to lie for her- or omit info at the least- and who she chose to lie for – betraying her friend DeDes trust coming up with the excuse that- she just had to get out of the house because as she claimed- she needed to get out because she was so mad about kaine not even knowing kiaras favorite stuffed animal etc…
You wrote:
My question is, was he shown the alleged sexts by LE where it is referenced that Terri was in the basement getting ??????? something, and did that give him cause to remember something she may have been retrieving that he didn’t want her to have.
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You could be right in your speculation IDK-
We know from court docs that He was shown the texts and he was told they cont even after the no contest move-
I think it is pretty dang certain there is NO room for "alleged" regarding the texts as the respondents own attorney admitted -there was texts and they were of a very personal nature- Houze never made the claim that the texts were not written by terri nor did he ever say hey that is not her nether region nor her fingers nor her breast-
I would think that if there was even the hint of a body double Houze being the bulldog that he is would have cried foul– ( in both senses of the word)
heres the thing about the texts that we dont know- these same documents stae there were hundreds of texts from about June 30th till approx june 7th- we are privy of a scant few- – Therefore it is my opinion there could be tens of texts of terri acting "appropriately" that is lamenting of Kyrons disappearance and her innocence as well as her loss of Kiara and even her failing marriage–
So I DO think it is unfair to prejudge Terry on just this snippet of texts but at the same time this sample-can not be overlooked either as it is NOT painting the picture of a woman who is truthful or family centric – and infact they go a long way to bringing up questions regarding teris mental health and all the other concerns we have all stated when these were first released.
You wrote:
In addition, he is currently asking for all documents and/or lists she or someone else may have made, that were “taken” from the house back to May 1, 2010, as well as any correspondence between her and the school or anyone else in regards to Kyron. I’m trying to figure out what and why. Maybe someday we’ll understand all of this, meanwhile it’s a puzzle.
IDk what these documents are — but I sincerely doubt they are lists pertaining to kaines steroid use- what we can surmise is these documents pertain to Kyron so if i had to make an educated guess i would say they possibly could be ponderings from the early days after the disappearance- her lists of i went here Kyron did this- he owned that- his friends were – these persons give me pause etc- I would also say they may have to do with doctors appointments and financial info school documents etc- basically anything she removed from the home that may be helpful to Kiara or Kyron JMO
I appreciate the discussion TRuth- your questions and concerns are very thought provoking Thank you for sharing
AJMo
Peace
While looking for something else, I reread this article about the 41 missing children in Oregon. IMO, Kyron Horman, Samuel Boehlke and Derrick Engebretson are strikingly similar. All of the 3 are boys, white, 8 yrs old (Kyron 3 months shy) and all of these boys disappeared while what I call doing Rockwellian type things. SB was out hiking while camping with his Father, DE out searching for a Christmas tree with Father & Grandfather and KH in the final days of his school year participating in his first SF. Had nothing happened to these 3, they would have all fondly remembered these specific events. All the events are family centered and I wonder if their disappearances are somehow connected.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Oregons-41-missing-children-cases-steeped-in-mystery-206519931.html?tab=video&c=y
At the bottom of the above article there is a link to see the full list of Oregon’s missing children. Within the listing is Jaime Mejia and Ubaldo Sanchez-Mejia, missing since 05-19-10. When I clicked on the Missing Child Index on the left I found Jamie and Ubaldo listed with age progression pictures. What is most interesting is that while Ubaldo is listed as endangered missing since 05-19-10, Jamie is missing involuntary since 11-07-09. WTH ???
http://www.oregon.gov/osp/MCC/Pages/Missing_Alpha_Order.aspx
It just amazes me that these gym-rat steroid using people, go on a forum and rate the labs they’re getting their roids from. I thought Kaine allegedly writing checks for steroids was a pretty ballsy thing to do, but here they all are online rating their roid suppliers. And the supplier is eating it all up. Wow.
I gotta say, I never knew this was such big business, nor did I realize there were so many people doing roids. Is it not illegal to purchase roids without a prescription, or is it only illegal to sell them without a prescription? The one I linked the other day, was not the Superior Labs that was busted in Medford (on page 4 of that review they discuss whether it is or not and shut down that part of the forum, until it was confirmed that it was a different one than they were reviewing). It seems as though most of the people reviewing the roid lab were able to get their “gear” within days via the mail after ordering via email, and using Western Union to transfer the $$, so it doesn’t sound like it’s in a foreign country.
I guess my question is this, is LE (in general) looking the other way when it comes to illegal manufacture and disbursement of roids, because they are part of the clientele?
ATTENTION
feel free to post or keep to yourself-
Dear Blink-
I would never throw in a “faux”
I realize that I snipped your earlier comments and that may have seemed like i was twisting your words or their meaning-
I would not do that either misinterpret accidentally – yes countless times.
i am writing this post to share the reasons behind snipping the post and your entire response
as I did not want to 1 unintentionally bring up something that may make you sad-
2 I did not want to post a very obvious post that totally goes against what your new thoughts are- as i do not want to steer others backward totally – and yes i do realize how your thoughts change with time and i wanted to honor that if that all makes sense-
3 the entire post would have been quite long- and as you know my posts dont need any help in that regard…
Before i share the post- please know I dont want to blindside you with a post that mentions your beloved Mom and how great she was and your dad is in helping to make you the outstanding parent you are today-
I hope the post makes you happy instead- I know you love and miss your mom so
Take care
here it is:
BElizabeth says:
August 14, 2010 at 3:20 pm
After all the reading I wonder how much Kyron told his mother, Desiree? I am thinking of my 7 year old grandson. It’s hard to get him to talk but if I prepare a snack and sit with him he seems to tell all. The girls will tell everything but boys are different.
I wonder how distressed Kyron really was in the months leading up to his disappearance? He told his mother he wanted to live with her but a lot of children from broken homes will do that.
I think I would know if my child was actually scared or just wanting to be with me? And then I think Tony, the stepfather was a detective. Did he see anything unusual? Did he catch something not right?
I have to question all of that. Kaine raises a big question mark. Was he there? Did he know anything going on in his own home?
Elizabeth, I love your comment.
It hits home for me, because our children are close with their gdpts, and sometimes, we even tag team, if an issue arises that may be best suited for Mom Mom or Grandpop- I know you will know what I mean.
From her own words, I believe Desiree knew immediately that Ky’s disappearance had something to do with Terri. I can confirm Tony did. As reserved as we were to develop leads and information in this case, the first press conf told me that I could expect this to lead to Terri in some fashion, among other observations.
I think Kaine to a degree was very in the dark about anything having to do with Terri, really-
That is not an insult, I think he trusted her.
Recently, I poured over pics, and intel we developed, again, as is SOP.
I am telling you, this person is not capable of putting Kyron into a vortex- feet from his classroom.
Apparently someone she knows, is.
B
With the utmost respect and with hugs
Mom3.0
My Dearest Mom 3.0-
thank you for your sensitivity. I am most certain no daughter ever missed her Mum more
Luckily, and no replacement for her physical presence- I feel her with me everyday. The other day I listened to her voice mail for the first time- it will probably be another year and a half before I do that again, lol, but I feel that I am progressing. My recent internship has helped a great deal, and I am posting this so that anyone reading is struggling or “managing” grief tells themselves they are going to be ok.
I certainly did not mean to suggest that you would intentionally misquote me, and you are free to snip quotes, but I would appreciate you providing the link with it so that it can be seen in context and in the correct thread by readers.
I have no issue with previous comments or theory, and that disclosure is important to my credibility, frankly. The evolution of my work in this case, or any case should be accurate, regardless of theory or conclusion.
B
Hi Blink. Are you working on a new piece?
Always
Not in this case at the moment, however.
B
@Mom3.0
Why did the DA release the texts at all, let alone ONLY those of such a personal nature?
TRuth says,
I guess my question is this, is LE (in general) looking the other way when it comes to illegal manufacture and disbursement of roids, because they are part of the clientele?
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Yes, it is looking more and more that that is the real story.
Didn’t Rackner work under Meisenheimer when she was a prosecutor? so it was handy that he was the initial judge. Did he sign the emergency RO?
interesting college paper on memorializations of Kyron
http://www.inter-disciplinary.net/at-the-interface/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/collinstrpaper.pdf
latter author is a Roseburg HS grad, Willamette U student majoring in Rhetoric.
@TRuth. Well, I thought that whole Steroid forums site was a USPS
sting & many of the lab raters were posseurs. Probably some sham businesses
on there.
@nate0410. Recently I mentioned the latter two had the commonality of disappearing in an area
where people from all around the country go to special ops training programs, both gov’t contractor & private
@erose. perhaps he was
interviewed as a sex offender on parole.
@nate0419 says:
October 29, 2013 at 2:42 pm
That is really strange. It also on Ubaldo’s says he went missing when he was not quite even 2 years old, and yet they progressed him to age 7. What the heck, are we looking for him into the future now? He’d only be like 4 or 5.
Okay, here’s their Charley Project sheets, it looks like the OSP info is just plain incorrect:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/sanchez-mejia_ubaldo.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mejia_jamie.html
patriciamochalatte says:
October 29, 2013 at 11:21 am
The billboard and DY talking about seeing TH jogging and where was over the top imho.
If DY believed TH knew of Kyron’s whereabouts and she were the only person who could bring him back, why would DY make public statements that would potentially place TH in danger?
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I have wondered about that also. Because if anything happened to TH then DY would never hear what she has to say. I think that DY may believe that Kyron is no longer alive. She does searches with cadaver dogs and I have never heard her make a plea to whomever has Kyron to let him go. So maybe she feels TH getting (what DY feels is) her just reward would be enough no matter where it came from.
Or maybe DY is not thinking straight because of her grief and anger at TH.
I think if TH is ever cleared in this case then DY will need some counseling to resolve her issues about TH.
T. Ruth
Your question about the roids is IMO a great big “Yes”.
There is an enormous amount of money to be made in illegal drugs of all types. LE can get caught up in this activity to the point that some accept pay-offs as well as use the drugs.
My wife and I visited downtown Portland in 1999. The large park in the downtown area was crawling with druggies and dealers. They were quite open about it. No LE was in the area. We were there over an hour. I was buying music from Music Sales located in a building on the East side of the park. Music Sales is one of the largest dealers in instrumental music West of the Rockies.
Well gosh, here’s a far-out theory,
Blink has told us the children are not Rudy’s. So, is it possible that Anselmo is Elsy’s husband and the father of her children? What if Elsy Mejia-Sanchez was being abused by her husband and she was an acquaintance of Terri’s? What if they both wanted out of their marriages for the same reason? What if Elsy went to Skyline with SZ and picked up Kyron and fled the country to escape abusive husbands? IDK, weird theory I know, but…… weird is as weird does, and the weirdness in this case is astounding.
Question: Is there a connection between Elsy & TMH? Where did she work? Where did her kids go to school or daycare?
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@Rose & Blink
Okay, so does that make me a Truthbot, I kinda’ like that. LOL
Just an observation:
Chyron:
According to Wikipedia– “Lower third, television graphics that occupy the lower area of the screen.” According to Urban Dictionary: ” a commonly-used term for [such] graphics on TV broadcasts worldwide.”
How sadly ironic for Kyron’s name—what we generally call “the crawl”—on screen.
Not sure how this applies to anything, but gave me a bit of a chill when I learned this. Maybe all of you knew this already.
RE: The alleged sexts/texts.
Let’s pretend for a minute that we are sitting on the GJ.
Firstly, they are heavily redacted, and what we JQP, have seen is apparently not in their entirety. (Not referring to pictures left out, could care less about hot-shots.)
Secondly, we have no proof of whom actually was sending/receiving from whom. We do not know if they were altered or even if they could be. I’m guessing yes they could have been. So I don’t give a whole lot of credence to them at this point. Were I interviewing a number of experts who said this could not be done, or that could not be done, that might be a whole other situation, but alas, we only have snippets and no expert opinion to follow. We know for a fact that LE has tried several *stings* on TMH to get her to spill the beans, or puke her guts out, or confess, to whatever. How do we know these sexts/texts were not just another failed attempt? So as far as the sexts/texts go…..pointless until proven. AMOO, but remember the real grand jury HAS this information.
One thing that sticks in my mind, (not sure why, but it does) is what the DA said in his letter when he decided the RO (containing the sexts/texts) could be unsealed:
To Meisenheimer (now retired)/From DA Frink (now retired) (interesting in itself, isn’t it?)
“This confirms my discussion with you earlier this evening. After speaking with Mr. Bosworth and Ms. Rackner, I called you and informed you that given the media coverage over the past long weekend, the Multnomah County Major Crimes Team, could no longer stand by its assertion in my affidavit of July 2, that unsealing the sealed matters before you would undermine our ongoing original investigation. I express no opinion on any position Terri Horman might have in the matter.”
“You told me of your intent to decide what further action was warranted after you reviewed the sealed documents when your court was open again on July 8.”
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Something is really, really weird about this whole thing. Media in bed with Rackner/LE. Frink was the one requesting that these things NOT be released. He states right there in plain enough English, that what the *media* reported….changed everything. Why & what was he referring to?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/judge_releases_restraining_ord.html
Sorry, forgot my link.
grasshopper says:
@ October 29, 2013 12:38pm
(snip) …. IMO they have their own agenda for wanting to convict Terri, and it is highly convenient that Kaine wants the same thing. IMO there is something significant being covered up by this strategy, something that possibly both DA and Kaine know about or maybe they each have their own separate reasons. It is undeniable that much important information has been held back from the pubic. Why withhold the fact that Kyron was seen leaving with a man and go on accusing Terri publicly? It is possible they know why Kyron was taken and that this is what makes them sure other children are not in danger, but they have no right to make that decision. They seem determined to pursue Terri at all costs and ignore facts. why? (end snip)
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Great post grasshopper. I agree with you assessment.
LE/DA have their agenda for insisting on keeping this charade of pinning this on Terri – it’s a cover-up for something. Very convenient that whatever it is also has (so far) benefited Kaine in trying to dump Terri and keep Baby K.
Sad, sad, sad that NONE of this goes anywhere in finding the truth of Kyrons disappearance.
Also scary as heck that LE/DA refuse to warn local parents that a dangerous POS walked out of their quaint public school in broad daylight – and that the danger still exists and is likely to re-offend (if not in Portland area, somewhere else to someone elses dear child).
I don’t like it, but I can see how LE would continue to lie to it’s citizens – to cover-up whatever they’re trying so hard to hide. Must be something big. MOO
I also don’t like the crazed “anti groups” on FB that put out all the hate about Terri and DeeDee.
But these loons are getting their hate-Terri info either directly or indirectly from the bio’s.
These people are dangerous – posting things like when/where Terri walks, etc. They occasionally get one of their FB hate pages closed, but quickly start a new one with the same nasty rhetoric. If LE didn’t already have their heads stuck so far up their own arses, they should have put an end to the dangerous harassment of Terri long ago.
What is harder for me to understand is how both bio-parents continue to insist on the sole focus be on Terri. Desiree & Kaine aren’t ignorant people.
They know Kyron was seen with a male after Terri left the school. Even if it were only one tiny scintilla of evidence that Kyron was disappeared by someone else (and it’s much more than a tiny bit) — Desiree & Kaine SHOULD BE screaming at every presser that the public and LE need to be looking for this dangerous predator. WHY aren’t the bio’s doing whatever it takes to get the truth out about precious Kyron???
I just don’t get it.
Thanks grasshopper for making the trips to the file room and posting your finds here. Very helpful.
@nate, WTH is right. Her race is also listed as unknown. Does that mean she and Ubaldo are not sibs? His race is listed, if they were related wouldn’t that be a no brainer?
nate0419 says:
October 29, 2013 at 2:42 pm
At the bottom of the above article there is a link to see the full list of Oregon’s missing children. Within the listing is Jaime Mejia and Ubaldo Sanchez-Mejia, missing since 05-19-10. When I clicked on the Missing Child Index on the left I found Jamie and Ubaldo listed with age progression pictures. What is most interesting is that while Ubaldo is listed as endangered missing since 05-19-10, Jamie is missing involuntary since 11-07-09. WTH ???
http://www.oregon.gov/osp/MCC/Pages/Missing_Alpha_Order.aspx
I’ve spent several days reading through as many comments as I possibly could but I’m sure I’ve missed some. With that said, I apologize if this has been brought up already.
On Dr. Phil, he asked DY why she hadn’t asked for custody of Kyron if she felt he wasn’t doing well at his dads. She replied “Kaine made it clear that wasn’t an option”, KH didn’t attempt to differ with her when she made that comment. I’m wondering why that was since custody would be something the courts would decide. Just because she worked FT wouldn’t have made her any less capable.
So it did sound like she had talked to Kaine about having custody at some point and that he let her know that was never going to happen but I have to wonder, how did he have that sort of power over her?
KH also contradicted himself saying at one point, TH was passed out on the sofa from drinking then later, claimed he had no idea she had a drinking problem. DY brought up emails from TH she’s seen claiming TH hated Kyron but she wouldn’t say who was showing her the emails. One claimed TH and KH had a huge fight and were up until 3 the night before Kyron disappeared but KH claimed there was no fight.
The behavior of the adults in this case only make it more baffling! Watching that interview confused me even more and deepened the feeling of “willies” KH has always given me.
On a forum for AR15 owners, Rich, a devotee of topless girls in Portland, inquires of a Medford member in 2001 if he knows “a cop” there named Tony Young.
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1797
Tony’s gun-related credentials listed here:
http://criticalbalancesa.com/about-us.html
p19 2013 compliments to Young as a gun instructor
http://www.ci.medford.or.us/files/PAC%20Agenda%20Packet%20071613.pdf
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iirc there have been a couple “justified” officer caused deaths during TY’s teams’s arrests
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a different approach to policing:
A Police Chief Tries To Reform The System From Within
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/chris-burbank-salt-lake-city_n_4170154.html
btw the Medford criticalbalance site pictures 2 young boys being trained.
(one with the gun, younger one watching).
So I wonder if TY ever took Kyron to this probably
weekend job site?
KYRON HORMAN LAW – Housebill 3197
Submitted by WalkerMS on Mon, 10/28/2013 – 14:19
The passage of the Kyron Horman law results in schools being required to send a phone call home, informing families if their child was reported absent at least one period during that day. This phone call is generated to start call-out when our school day ends, at 2:45 pm. The importance of this message can not be over emphasized. If you receive a phone call regarding the absence of your child, PLEASE listen to the entire message, and do not hang up until the message is completed. If you receive a call and you know your child was absent, please call in to excuse them for the day within 72 hours. If you receive a call and you are unaware of your child being absent, please call the school before 4:00 pm if you need assistance. Please note that when a child is marked unexcused to just one class, this could potentially generate a phone call home. Thank you.
http://walker.salkeiz.k12.or.us/content/kyron-horman-law-housebill-3197
At least there is one positive thing that came out of Kyron’s disappearance. Angers me that schools stopped doing this in the first place, used to be a common sense practice.
Does anyone know if Michael Cook was called to testify by the GJ?
“Affidavit of Javier Trejo Richarte. Filed by David Siwiec.” other plaintiff Trish George.
7/23/04
http://www.plainsite.org/flashlight/case.html?id=399251
He was one of several affidavits for plaintiffs.
At a later point, plaintiff’s attorney withdraws. also, dismissed with prejudice, no costs.
Harris: WCSO Deputy, owner of Cidar Mill & Fryer Tuck, & now also Cedar Mill.
http://www.wilsonalumni.com/alumni-spotlight/harris.html
Cuthbertson also with WCSO
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristinegunter/4884488400/meta/
I expect the rest of the defendants are employed as sherriff’s deputies as well. They are represented by the County attorney.
I wonder if they were jail guards? or a swat team? One handled a K9, which implies drugs. I wonder if affidavits were from fellow arrestees or targets who observed or experienced incidents? It would be nice to read the cause of action & Javier’s affidavit.
I wonder if Javier had ever had a run in with MCSO deputies, and that is why mcso has not reported on investigating his death & disposal near Skyline?
Plaintiffs & affidavits could’ve been college students in Washington Cty then.
mcso news. see paragraph 3
problem of several years
“inundated with unlawful campsites”
includes unregistered SOs
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276
Trying to catch up
RE erose says:
October 28, 2013 at 1:17 am
@Mom3.0, Only speaking for myself, but I have analyzed why I am willing to give her what I would consider the benefit of the doubt in some instances. To me, the information that was released was specifically done to sway public opinion against her. She was being trashed, yet (big example) the public has not been officially told about Kyron leaving the classroom with a man.
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Hello erose, thanks so much for weighing in. I was not implyng thst we should not give terri the benfit of the doubt I was trying to convey the need to extend the same courtesy to kaine
Although I agree that the medias getting hold of certain texts does seem to point toward someone trying to sway public opinion against Terri- these texts were brought forth in court to illustrate Kaines points
I would ask since terri is the one that participated in these conversations – how is it trashing her to bring the info to light? If she had not put herself in the position – there would be nothing to trash her with…..
lets not forget LE had just told Kaine of the murder for hire plot kyron was missing- and at that time it seems to me coupled with terris emails- and her free talk bad mouthing Kaine to de de and other friends- So it seems Kaine was worried about any hidden resentments towards kiara and what her known thoughts meant for the disappearance of Ky-
I think he was acting in the best interests of his children and himself for if the MFH plot was true terri was willing to kill the childrens father- is it that huge of a leap for Kaine to entertain the notion that perhaps terri had “befriended” someone who took her griping of her lost monies her bad marriage and seeming resentment against Kyron and kaine to heart- o that she was working in conjunction with the bad guy?
To this day can ANYone say for certain that terris openness with all this info to include posting her family pictures- comings and goings- etc in FB updates -emails and convos were not the catalyst for what may have lead to Kyrons disappearance? My point is as the father of Kyron and Kiara fearing the worst he was trying to act in the best interests of his children- in protecting against the worst suppositions-
is any of this proven no but there is a sitting GJ hearing evidence is there not?
You wrote:
I put myself in TH’s shoes, and ask what if she is innocent, how would I want or expect to be treated.
That is commendable-
Innocent in the criminal case but not innocent of writing the texts right?
As it may pertain to the divorce case or child custody issues- terri refused to submit to mental health evals she refused to give her medial records etc- the texts we have seem to underscore bad judgement- impulsive poor decisions lack of empathy- lack of concern these can be things which would adversly effect her parenting skills.
But I do understand your point -
I do not fault you or anyone for this empathy erose- I myself have extended the same to terri thruout my postings on this case- heres the thing- we cant say for certain that terri is guilty or innocent we have not heard the evidence
Right now we can say IRT Kyron with everything we know teri couldnt have kidnapped Ky.
But we cant rule out all scenarios can we?
De De may believe it in her heart- terri is innocent- but that doesnt mean she isnt guilty
De De may view her own inncence and “clearing” by LE as an extension of the need for LE and the public to agree to Terris innocence- but the truth of the matter De De isnt privy to all LE thinks or knows or all avenues they are working to eliminate- i
Even though De De is cleared terri has not been
De De worked to prove she had nothing to do with Kyrons disappearance Terri has remained silent on all issues-
well De De was once thought suspect right?
LE has eliminated her as a potential POI WITH Des Des help
She has passed the poly but Terri has not- De De she has been enterviewed by LE with counsel present- and talked and talked going over the same ground again and again, terri has not- De De was willing to sit before the Grand jury the second time and actually answer all questions Terri has not and will not
We are not privy to the evidence- we are not privy to Les other avenues of investigation I would think the same can be said for De De.
but we do know is they have looked into others as they have said PP we have eliminated many people from the list- they seem to be unable to eliminate terri
Does this mean she is the culprit? No
Does she hold some information as to who may have wanted to harm kyron becuase of her or something they learned from her directly or indirectly? IDk do you
Did she let the vampire in IDK do you?
You wrote:
Empathy aside, but what good does it to advance Kyron’s case?
Empathy for ALL sides definitely-
Erose, – Idk what good it does to rehash things other than to point out it worked to help eliminate De De as part of the equation.
Since we dont know who did it why or who may be involved or what LE has or doesnt… etc-
IMO we must be open to all scenarios and speculations and all discussion – for if not we run the risk of overlooking a possibility
You wrote:
Somehow the pendulum has to swing the other direction, if that makes sense, and as it swings thoughts, opinions and theories evolve.
Erose
it does make sense I agree thoughts, opinions, & theories evolve and since we are not privy to all of LEs thoughts opinions& theories I would think we must strive to keep an open mind when discussing all issues
The pendulum great thought -erose brilliant
Id only add the pendulum – must swing freely – and we cant shut our eyes/memories off to the times it moved toward the opposite end of the table…- we cant just focus on the area we hope holds the truth- we must cont to search for the truth in every area.
You wrote:
As for your comment, “…it takes two to tango and to cont the dance-
they both seemed to have agendas and each seemed to thrive on the games both in and out of the bedroom and with or without other partners in tow-” Agreed. As my Mother would quote, “Water seeks it’s own level.” That might mean sexually, emotionally, intellectually, etc. but it can be telling about all four of Kyron’s parents,
Totally agree erose – your mother is a very wise lady
You cont-
yet the focus is and has always been on only one. How can that be explained without inferring bias?
- i do not think we here at BOC have always focused on just one side and the discussion of late proves that….
I do not think it can be said LE has focused on one side either- as again we are not privy to all avenues etc-
If you are speaking to the media- probably so -but I have not followed all reports- if you are refering to Kaine and desiree- I could agree- but again we are not aware of everything they have been told/shown- so i cant say whether or not their seeming bias is grounded in fact – uninmaginable fear or mere theory-
Thanks again Erose Peace AJMO
I hope you are ok Blink… you have been very quiet.
I am Mom3.0, just overburdened schedule and simultaneous project deadlines, thank for your concern.
B
Hi Blink. There is a great deal of information available online about abductions, some of it directly from the FBI and studies conducted at state levels. I’m a curious sort and when time permits I’m going to research what abductions ‘look’ like depending on the perp and child.
(here’s one site with good info for those interested: http://develop.oes.ca.gov/WebPage/oeswebsite.nsf/PDF/Child%20Abduction%20Report/$file/ChildAbductRept.PDF )
I bow to your knowledge and education and greatly appreciate your response.
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Sometimes behavior of the guilty makes no sense. Same thing can be said of the innocent. I’m open to Terri’s innocence and will full on own being wrong if it comes to that. It’s why our system is set up the way it is… a person can look guilty as heck and still be innocent. Which is also why I support the rights granted to Terri.
The way I see it (MOO) at this stage it’s not only time for LE to put up, it’s also time for Terri’s team to put up. They are part of the reason the attacks against her have gone on this long and why she has been separated from her daughter. She has representation for a reason and they need to get on with protecting her.
If she is innocent it should go rather smoothly regardless of LE maneuvering. Kantor has made it clear the road ahead is open for her. If she’s not innocent it will all continue to be a fiasco.
Just my opinion and all that.
Just another thought. I left my office for lunch, drove past an elementary school and saw a AAA truck. Went home, ate lunch, came back and the truck was just leaving the area (while the kids were outside playing). What about a tow truck or something like that? This was a white, Ford F150. There would be reason for the truck to be in the neighborhood (one would assume) and there would be reason (again, one would assume) for the driver/operator to be inside the school (if stopped, “getting keys” “having someone sign a work order” etc.) and there would be a reason for driver/operator to make another stop inside the school (again, “returning keys”) Driver/operator would also be in “trusted” uniform. I could also see a child being really interested in “helping” said person. I don’t know, it just struck me as a “good cover” when I saw the truck. I took an hour lunch, it’s about 10 minutes to and fro from work-home-work, so I was out of the immediate area for a good 40 minutes (soy chicken patty and doggy visit).
The texts don’t make a lot of sense. Seems like they are out of order and often off topic and don’t seem to be part of dialogue but more monologue. To use non-erotic examples, take a sentence like: “I saw her by the post office.” Whom did you see at the post office, which post office, what time of day and what relevance does it have to a missing child case? But if you get the whole conversation, say Person 1: “Have you seen my dog? “Person 2: “I don’t know. What does your dog look like?” Person 1: “She is a poodle by the name of Peaches.” Person 2: “I saw her at the post office. “ Takes on an entirely different meaning when you have the context. I suggest that what was produced was not what they really said.
today is Day 14, after Houze’s Objection.
Whither RSE?
Here’s a possibility. Maybe LE has a REAL reason to suspect TMH’s involvement, maybe even direct involvement that includes another party. Without letting anyone else know (to keep their case viable), they are waiting themselves for just one piece of the puzzle to fall into place before they arrest her. The puzzle piece could be DAD, or MC, or just someone whose guilt is finally eating them alive, maybe a younger person connected to Skyline.
I read somewhere (don’t remember, but think it was on the Internet) that Houze’s forte is to get his clients the best ‘deal’ he can, whether or not they are guilty. i.e., he isn’t just about proving her to be innocent; whatever he knows, his aim is to get a plea bargain for her (I think that’s what it is called).
IDK if she is guilty or not, just wish little Kyron could be with family that loves him. I actually think she did. But, of course, no matter what, that would be out of the question. Her reputation is totally trashed (maybe we will find out at some point if it was justified or not).
All MOO.
@grasshopper says: October 29, 2013 at 12:38 pm
IMO they have their own agenda for wanting to convict Terri, and it is highly convenient that Kaine wants the same thing. IMO there is something significant being covered up by this strategy, something that possibly both DA and Kaine know about or maybe they each have their own separate reasons.
http://www.krem.com/home/229294831.html
After teaching for many years, things like this happened occasionally; now security cameras give us more clues!
Unfortunately, one afternoon during a parent conference, the parent took the cell phone right off the table!
And in Oregon, who took the 7 year old little boy, Kyron, from a classroom, allegedly with the knowledge and permission of the teacher in that classroom!
@T. Ruth says:
October 30, 2013 at 12:01 am
RE: The alleged sexts/texts.
Let’s pretend for a minute that we are sitting on the GJ.
Firstly, they are heavily redacted, and what we JQP, have seen is apparently not in their entirety. (Not referring to pictures left out, could care less about hot-shots.)
Secondly, we have no proof of whom actually was sending/receiving from whom. We do not know if they were altered or even if they could be. I’m guessing yes they could have been. So I don’t give a whole lot of credence to them at this point. Were I interviewing a number of experts who said this could not be done, or that could not be done, that might be a whole other situation, but alas, we only have snippets and no expert opinion to follow. We know for a fact that LE has tried several *stings* on TMH to get her to spill the beans, or puke her guts out, or confess, to whatever. How do we know these sexts/texts were not just another failed attempt? So as far as the sexts/texts go…..pointless until proven. AMOO, but remember the real grand jury HAS this information.
One thing that sticks in my mind, (not sure why, but it does) is what the DA said in his letter when he decided the RO (containing the sexts/texts) could be unsealed:
To Meisenheimer (now retired)/From DA Frink (now retired) (interesting in itself, isn’t it?)
“This confirms my discussion with you earlier this evening. After speaking with Mr. Bosworth and Ms. Rackner, I called you and informed you that given the media coverage over the past long weekend, the Multnomah County Major Crimes Team, could no longer stand by its assertion in my affidavit of July 2, that unsealing the sealed matters before you would undermine our ongoing original investigation. I express no opinion on any position Terri Horman might have in the matter.”
“You told me of your intent to decide what further action was warranted after you reviewed the sealed documents when your court was open again on July 8.”
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Something is really, really weird about this whole thing. Media in bed with Rackner/LE. Frink was the one requesting that these things NOT be released. He states right there in plain enough English, that what the *media* reported….changed everything. Why & what was he referring to?
Truth….
To see what was really happening you have to read all the documents that summer and fall. Some were, when it furthered the ‘team player’ status, published in tandem with the articles written by Olive and Kgw, etc. Others were ignored by the “team players” and only seen by the public if they were looking for them and someone had gotten access to the files.
In regards to the FAPA, the”media” at the time of the sting was just as in the dark as we were. They, following oregon statute, wrote a letter to the DA’s office and requested the FAPA and divorce papers be public due to “the interest of the public” segment of Public Records disclosure in Oregon statutes.
It’s MO that the DA’s office was not only willing to relent, but waiting for the letter. Of course the sting had already been leaked and Maxine had already been tipped off about Rudy. Not a coincidence that her nationally-acclaimed piece on the MFH that landed her in Larry King’s chair was written that same week that the Fapa was under wraps.
I’ve been reviewing the “contempt” motion. You know, the one where Rackner has a dozen or so sanctions against TMH for showing the “address” to Cook. The address, btw, that never had to be on the FAPA document. The contempt charges were dropped, but not before the damage was done. In that motion Rackner set up the eventual release of the actual sexting tapes months before TMH would ask for visitation in November, 2010.
But more than that, that contempt motion shows the extent of the symbiotic relationship between Rackner, the DA and MCSO.
Here’s just a few excerpts:
ll8… Further, LE has informed Petitioner’s attorney that an identified clerk at a known local gym reported that honor about June 28, and prior to the service of the legal documents, Respondent came to that location looking t “abduct” her daughter, Kiare, from the gym daycare center while Petitioner worked out at the gym. (Note, Truth …”prior to the service…” is cleverly glossed over).
ll3….Law enforcement has informed Petitioner’s attorney that Respondent’s stated personal relationship concerns and sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent previously attempted to hire to murder Petitioner. (Now what does this have to do with the contempt charge?)
ll12-13page Law enforcement has informed Petitioner’s attorney that the clerk informed the manager, and he then informed LE at the request by Respondent. (How did they get all that done within hours on Monday…Judge M. was at their beck and call?)
I’ll get some links for you. Personally, I don’t believe that Rackner, nor Judge M. had any intention whatsoever of going through with he “Order to show Cause” that was served on TMH.
It was the Contempt Motion itself they all needed. It put the “sexting” in the public’s mind for months before the actual redacted texts appeared.
Like Amanda Knox….they had to create a person of evil (a sexual ‘Eve”) ….. someone that could have done something terrible to her son to get him out of her life so that she would be wreck revenge on Kaine.
There was a reason that LE/the media/Kaine said that this case would take months..if not years…to solve.
@Truth
Here’s one of the links…interesting that KATU (which I’d recalled having the link) is the only one that you can still access it from.
http://media.katu.com/documents/motion.pdf
Note all the other instances of “LE informed…..”
re: TMH and the sexts.
I have always felt this was a red herring. Nothing in the sexts related to K’s disappearance. On the other hand, they produce an immediate emotional response, and frequently moral judgment.
When discussing the sexts, we need to keep in mind that KH and TMH lived together several years, married, and continued to live together in apparent harmony until TMH became pregnant. The pregnancy either directly or indirectly led to a breakdown in the marriage. Similar to KH’s first marriage. According to DDS, KH was interested in 3-ways, specifically with 2 women. I think it is reasonable to assume that KH and TMH were sexually compatible. It would also appear that this marriage/relationship had some non-traditional components.
There are allegation that KH was involved in an affair. To many, actually having extramarital sex is worse than sending a few pictures.
We need to keep in mind, that by this time, LE was implying her involvement, if not directly confronting her, and her husband had taken their child and left the house. It is easy to criticize her for not behaving like the parent of a missing child should (as if there are rules for this), but we need to remember that a little paranoia on her part would be appropriate in her situation. My gut feeling has always been that her sexting with MC was an angry attempt to “get back” at KH for accusing her of K’s disappearance and taking away her daughter.
I don’t know if TMH is guilty, innocent, or something in between; but, before judging her actions we need to ask ourselves this question:
How would an innocent person respond to having a child kidnapped by a stranger, being accused of kidnapping by the police, and having your spouse leave and take your remaining child – all within a brief period?
For most of us, sending naked pictures wouldn’t be the answer, or course. But to a person in an hypersexual relationship, it might be her instinctive stress release mechanism. I suspect most of us know a few people who cannot go more than a few days being “single” after a break-up, and immediately jump into a new relationship – it usually doesn’t end well.