Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage

Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing,  Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.

Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW,  a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.

In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud-  the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper,  Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.

Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.

 

 

BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.

 

 

 

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  1. venetia says:

    @Rose & all

    Per the foreclosure you posted – I think that Rudy will be fine.

    Go to the Marion Cty assessor’s link:

    http://apps.co.marion.or.us/PropertyRecords/

    Type in the address per your info (Capitol) and you will
    see that Rudy etal are in Vancouver, Wa.

    Not the same Rudy that owns the restaraunts.
    B

  2. Malty says:

    @NelMel. Laughing with you
    Those people are so far out in the field. They are still talking like Kyron is a cute little baby Not a almost 12 yr old boy
    Like using a poster with Terri pic on it Almost taking up as much room as Kyron Tearing down what they think are
    Posters not approved But have just a nice big pic of Kyron
    So when things are not going the way they think they should go back to saying they will never give up
    Some times I wonder what planet they live on

  3. Rose says:

    thanks Blink
    I guess the ol maria, letitia,
    araceli name spree got corrected
    on Durham thread long ago, which I
    did not recall.

    Most welcome :)
    B

  4. Rose says:

    there is one male who put a kiara-like babydoll girl, very skimpy dress, on antidede FB.
    I felt it a 2-edged allusion to DeDe & redheaded little girls,
    & since he was a man of a certain age I then noticed he posts
    prolifically too to Warriors FB, Red Squirrel journal FB, etc.
    Latimer is far from the only wacky male with frequent inappropriate postings enthralled
    with Kyron’s Kause.

    The last K was not lost on me Rose :)
    B

  5. Rose says:

    Yes ma’am and thank you
    B

  6. Rose says:

    a former Sherwood principal would feel self-confident breezing thru Skyline imo.
    He’s certainly compulsive.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/07/recent_case_shines_light_on_bi.html#incart_m-rpt-1

  7. T. Ruth says:

    Just out chasing wild geese, too hot to do much else today and came across this, which is most likely of zero significance anyway, but this appears to be Tyler Lupoli/Miller’s grandfather’s obit. (sounds like he was a very nice man)

    http://www.obitsforlife.com/obituary/717939/Miller-Richard.php

    I only post this because it was interesting how many addresses this man seemed to have (summer place in Seaside, OR?) and I still have no idea where and whom DAD was partying with in Seaside before he shot officer Dodds.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vLPNzHIJvugJ:www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/d/richard-miller/240701021&client=firefox-a&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1

    Like I say, wild geese. Why in the heck doesn’t LE give the public a little more to work with, they’ve obviously failed by not doing so. Kyron’s case is cold as this day is hot.

    ***********
    @RedRose,

    IMO, Kaine does think TMH may have had nothing to do with harming Kyron, or at least thinks whatever she allegedly did that may have caused harm to Kyron was unintentional. I know, if it were me, and I truly believed my spouse intentionally harmed my child, it would be a cold day in hell before he’d have any access to another one of my children, even if I had to leave the country so he couldn’t get it.

    Kaine at one point even said publicly, she may have nothing to do with it. DY on the other hand, absolutely believes Terri harmed Kyron. The question is why?

    Parting thought someone should pass on to the haters:

    “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” – Aristotle

    But then, what does HE know?

  8. T. Ruth says:

    A happy ending for a change.

    http://www.oregonherald.com/oregon/local.cfm?id=7062

    EUGENE, Ore. (AP) — Bailey Gates boarded a plane from Eugene to Portland – her first time flying – on July 27, 2013.

    She took another flight from Portland to Los Angeles, and one more from L.A. to New York City that day.

    The then-17-year-old remembers the trip clearly.

    She was headed for New York to meet a man who she had met online. She left Eugene early in the morning without telling her family.

    (snipped, more @link)

    **************

    You know, the old saying my mama taught me about “if it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is (false/lie, etc)” applies to these kids and their fake chat room buddies.

    I was recently talking to a teen friend of ours and we were all sitting around discussing the guy that got into the RHS campus (with the stun gun and ropes in his car). I asked her what she would do if she was approached by this guy. “I’d never let this guy grab me, or touch me, I’d scream and run.” I looked at her and said, honey, that’s not the way they usually work. They try to *con* you. Like, Could you come help me get something out of my car? Or could you give me directions to such and such? Or have you seen a little lost dog running around here he jumped out of my car in the parking lot? Or I’m here to pick up BobbyJo and he told me to meet him at the gym, can you show me where it is? etc.,etc.,etc., Honestly, I don’t think her folks had ever had this discussion with her before. About how clever these AH’s can be. I was really surprised. Talk to your kids, or your friend’s kids.

  9. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    July 2, 2014 at 7:43 am

    https://www.facebook.com/sean.davidson.92
    fits in with Tony (guns) & Rotan (ducati clubs)

    **********

    And OMG Sean likes CSI…….he must have been TMH’s accomplice. (Wonder if he ever baby sat Kyron?)

    Yes, just snark, not at you Rose, just in general thinking of how many people were posting exactly that sort of thing in the beginning. I like CSI, and I used to watch Dexter, and I actually really like Criminal Minds…..so what? Such a horrid shame this whole case went the way it did. Lessons to be learned here for sure, but at what expense?

  10. T. Ruth says:

    @Blink

    I hope you are working on getting back to June 4, 2010 and what happened that day. That thread (even though DAD’s had extremely robust activity), was the one that, for me anyway, started bringing us all back to the crime scene and what better place to start again?

    To this day, I still cannot understand why Desiree Young does not put her money and the money they’re raising into the hiring of a PI. If she is so certain it was TMH and not some stranger, then my goodness, wouldn’t it make sense for her to do exactly that, and start with TMH?

    Instead she hires ER, expensive attorney, and now a bunch of out-of-state K-9 teams…..to search ground already gone over by LE. This makes so little sense to me. I keep getting this feeling that she’s subconsciously trying to tell us to look the other way. Or she’s afraid to look the other way. IDK, drives me nuts.

    Big sigh.

  11. Rose says:

    @TRuth. I think we underestimate her reliance on extremely dysfunctional advisors, ranging from imo primarily 2-3 aggressive outreach parents of missing children, family, psychics, and Mr Circumstantial Evidence Works for Me.
    I have not seen any wise man in her penumbra except perhaps the courthouse-steps camera-seeker who managed to bail out.

    Admission: I looked up penumbra. Spectacular word. ( Say like Alan Shore).
    Agreed.
    B

  12. Rose says:

    @TRuth. Actually, my SD FB link & commonalities with others
    was intended as irony,
    which could slangily be called snarky I guess.

  13. Rose says:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/07/david_joey_pedersen_case_multn.html#incart_river
    look at the shocking evidentiary flaws, & shocking Constitutional violation re communication with attorneys
    in contravention of Court order. This was Kyron’s original mcso PR spokeswoman. How did Staton appoint her to detention ctr and then Inverness jail commander? Because she’d do as told, even if illegal, by her Commander?
    (imo looks like a meth user’s pic.) On-job nonprofessional, indeed antiprofessional, behavior expected by Staton as a quid pro quo for promotion?

    Just unreal- Capote-esque.
    B

  14. A Texas Grandfather says:

    T. Ruth

    Thanks for your link to the story about the teen who by the hard work of the detective was saved from a nightmare of existence. The detective should get a big reward.

    I couldn’t agree with you more about parents making time to spend with their teens where these issues are discussed. Girls and boys need to begin learning about these things beginning in the first grade with additional information provided as they mature.

    This young girl lost her way by choosing to run with the wrong crowd in High School. POT and alcohol will put your brain into a bad state while the wrong thinking crowd makes it all the worse.

    I hope she can find something useful in music. She may have talent or not. Maybe at her new school she will learn how music is organized and how to really play the guitar. She at least recognizes how close she came to ruining her life and is willing to help others.

  15. vw says:

    Hi Blink,

    Been busy, but reading along. Glad to see pursuance on Breade, DAD. Both still on my radar. T. Lat. … should have gone the way of TJ, SoCal’s multi-personalities, and those other weirdos who manipulate while FB singing nightly baby songs to our (still cute) pre-teen.

    Taking a break to the beach. Can’t stand the heat. But will have some me time to look at the legal briefs, again. Hope to check the files on my way out.

    Re. the settling. I do know that the bridge of estrangement was wide and dangerously wobbly. And it will take a long time to heal the primal wounds. This settlement was a for sure chance at beginning the healing. But i’m still trying to figure out how it came about that Staton’s assertion “the divorce is a private matter” in 2010 became Carlos’s mantra 4 years later and never did get challenged publicly. No talking heads, no media would touch it while yet another child was thrown into the arms of a parent whose “…then I tied her shoes” was his only claim to bonding.

    Off my rants. Hope you and yours and my favorite posters here are having a great summer.

  16. erose says:

    Did we miss this, or is my memory getting worse? There are several points of interest in this article; Houze was his attorney, how his blog and FB page pushed his crime lower on a google search, how he is married to a prominent woman. Since we cannot get Kyron off our brains, it’s not so hard to think maybe Nigel could either. Maybe his investigation took him here, not because this was Kyron’s offender, but someone like this, and how they are treated and somewhat accepted due to their status and intelligence, though he did not get back in to L&C.

    http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-19583-barred_a_top_lewis_clark_law_student_committed_a_sex_crime_involving_a_13_year_old_boy_now_he_wants_.html

  17. Rose says:

    The dictionary is too murky
    for me to understand wrt penumbra my def would be an image of pigpen’s cloud.
    everyone on her periphery–falling within her shadow. The formal & informal
    Advisors to the bios remind me of pigpen’s cloud.

    Linstrand was a Lt in 2012. At some point she made Capt &
    was given the Detention Ctr & now jail. I could make a sexist comment
    about why Staton needed a female in charge of Detention & Jail.
    But, I wonder why the deputy placed in charge was not Bobbi Luna, who brought Lindstrand the mail, because she was a Capt & leader in the detention ctr & jail in 2010 before Lindstrand arrived there.
    http://eastpdxnews.com/general-news-features/the-county’s-top-jailer-gets-a-national-stage-to-call-for-mental-health-services-for-inmates/
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/07/david_joey_pedersen_case_multn.html
    This article calls Luna a Lt. It reads like she got a rank demotion between 2010 & the mail incident.

  18. Rose says:

    Interestingly, in that Federal case where both Mary & Bobby had to pay their fines personally for opening a prisoner’s mail to his defense lawyer against a prior Court order, Bobbi said her superior Mady directed her to, and Mary said she didn’t. One of them was lying under oath. Yet, even taking Mary in the best light as truthful, Judge Ancer Haggerty still held her personally accountable and personally fined her as the senior deputy and direct supervisor. That tells me if Terri sues MCSO on a federal question, Judge Haggerty is itching to clean house, and makes a good case, the Sheriff would have accountability. That mail btw would only have information useful to and sought by the prosecutor, so Haggerty doubtless realized the buck really stops with the DA when MCSO Captns are seeking trial-relevant info by illegal means. Probably the DA isn’t filing Terri charges because then he’d have to turn over investigatory info & the means by which it was acquired. At least until A Haggerty retires.

  19. Rose says:

    looks like Haggerty is doing his part to clean up local LE abuse one-by-one
    by requiring the specific officers involved pay small fines out of their own pockets
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/05/pregnant_woman_had_right_to_us.html

  20. quizzical says:

    Only bringing this here because DY “speaks”.

    Posted yesterday on The Kyron Horman Case: Turning of The Tide:

    ——————————-

    Desiree Davidson Young DA’s Office will prosecute for all of the murder for hire plots (oh yeah, there are several) as well as Kyron’s kidnapping and subsequent charges for that, when we find Kyron. They want to hit her with both barrels, so it sticks, and she can’t get off easy. Terri is going down and so are the people who have helped her along the way. Just a matter of Kyron being found first. The one and only person standing in the way of that …. Is Terri!
    Like • Reply • 10 hours ago (July 10, 2014 at 9:56pm)

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1514588872088342&id=1428477140699516&comment_id=1515001515380411&offset=0&total_comments=20

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kyron-Horman-Case-Turning-of-The-Tide/1428477140699516

    —————————————————

    Then, 45 minutes later, on Kyron Horman’s World Soldiers:

    ———————————–

    Desiree Davidson Young Just posted on new Terri page “turning tide”. They seemed to have deleted it, hmmmmm! See my post

    DA’s Office will prosecute for all of the murder for hire plots (oh yeah, there are several) as well as Kyron’s kidnapping and subsequent charges for that, when we find Kyron. They want to hit her with both barrels, so it sticks, and she can’t get off easy. Terri is going down and so are the people who have helped her along the way. Just a matter of Kyron being found first. The one and only person standing in the way of that …. Is Terri!
    Like • Reply • 14 • 9 hours ago (July 10, 2014 at 10:41pm)

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=651492514940673&id=161645780592018&comment_id=651567344933190&offset=0&total_comments=6

    Thanks quizzi- it annoyed me so much I responded. Her post was not deleted either. In a nutshell, I can tell you as a point of fact that her comments have no legal foundation, and moreover, they are just incorrect and if she bothered to consult with DA Underhill directly, ( I say this like she has the option as a victim under the law, because she does) however, my sources tell me he has made it clear he will not discuss the case in any capacity outside of his assigned staff to include investigators currently assigned. Does she know that he is under investigation by the Oregon Bar and recently lost a major appeal?

    Lastly, once again, if she is so confident of TMH guilt why drop the civil suit that was publicly funded for her?
    B

  21. Sunshine_4me says:

    Ok. Now if DY really posted this…she is getting more bizarre. It is on the FB page of Kyron Horman’s World Soliders stating she posted it on a TH supporter page (turning tides) but they deleted it, so WS posted it on their page. (It is an image of DY’s original post so I had to retype word for word) It starts with the admin stating “I would like to share this VERY interesting comment left by Desiree Young. Terri you are running scared…as you should be. You are screwed and WILL be going down, hard…you and your 4 buddies! The fake profiles won’t count then…those will all be traced back to you and your minions!!

    Terri, WHERE IS KYRON??”

    Below that is DY’s supposed post “The DA’s Office will prosecute for all of the murder for hire plots (oh, yea there are several) as well as Kyron’s kidnapping and subsequent charges for that, when we find Kyron. They want to hit her with both barrels, so it sticks, and she can’t get off easy. Terri is going down and so are the people who have helped her along the way. Just a matter of Kyron being found first. The one and only person standing in the way of that is…is Terri! ”
    ~~~~~~~~

    So now there are 4 buddies who helped her and multiple MFH plots TH planned…hmmm. Their version is creeping beyond the original accusations.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kyron-Hormans-World-Soldiers/161645780592018?fref=photo

  22. Sunshine_4me says:

    Blink, you can delete my post since quizzical already posted and you responded to this nonsense DY posted.

  23. Rose says:

    3 entries below Brethauer’s Butt Aches see DDY’s latest antiTerri salvo, claiming inside investigation knowledge
    http://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=651492514940673&id=161645780592018&refid=17

  24. Rose says:

    … that’ll teach me to read back before I write. Thx quizzical.
    actually I google at times Kyron Warriors which gives the Soldier site (I never remember the real name.)

    I thought they might bushwhack a Roseburg culdesac this weekend,
    without gofundme prior notice, Desiree being unable to contain herself generally.
    And, indeed, she’s not containing herself.

    Blink, ER’s genius, exceeding Metzger, was getting himself out
    of this representation.

  25. Rose says:

    If DDY believes all that, imo she got it from Tony, who gamed out a way
    forward with an mcso loose cannon deputy.

  26. Rose says:

    Blink, You are right, it’s not been deleted:
    http://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1514588872088342&id=1428477140699516&refid=17
    I don’t think it productive wrt Kyron’s outcome to follow Desiree Drama.
    I thought “Turning of Tide” was one of those many dormant FBs.
    As I don’t sign in to FB, I can’t check back but it’s been active since last May with much commentary unrelated to Kyron.
    So if this is DDY for real, why is she bothering?

  27. Rose says:

    OT
    probably inappropriate, so expect mod judgment dictates delete
    Portland boy could use frqt flier miles
    http://www.buskinginportland.com

  28. Rose says:

    @Blink.
    Your comment now Up
    and Apt.
    http://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=651807318242526&id=161645780592018&set=pb.161645780592018.-2207520000.1405101995.&source=54&refid=17
    Imo the owner of Soldiers must moderate & approve each post,
    as there was a time delay, & it appeared after you said
    you had left a comment.
    —-
    My concern is if you can’t trust either bio to be
    factually accurate, nor an advocate against their
    self-interest or emotion with the levers of
    investigation, where does that leave
    Kyron, and his supportive public?

    I feel DDY and the owner of Soldiers (SM?) are orchestrating this
    brouhaha, this weekend, in concert (as they have worked hand
    in glove repeatedly before), for a reason, most
    likely tied to Terri’s visitation schedule to adversely impact her
    selfconfidence.

    Stacey’s inflammatory “screenshots” when she could’ve just posted a link,
    and Desiree’s commentary on an obscure, inactive FB page
    accompanied by her crossposting on Soldiers is imo taegeted at something happening in the
    Visitation realm imo.

  29. Rose says:

    Soldier/FB Owner’s thoughtful literate response:
    “Magically that Terri Support page resurrected Desiree’s comment. Then there is Blink! Blink, go home, you are drunk! Stop drinking Terri’s purple drank. You will be one that goes down with Terri! Hopefully! You and your crappy crime blog…you are a joke!”

    Blink, Imo this is something the 2 colleagues (Desiree & Stacey)
    are shaking up in concert due to something positive for Terri
    happening off screen, likely visitation.

    Blink, these are people with PD’s I recommend limit setting with,
    including Desiree. What Desiree has needed, and Kaine imo, most are
    limits no one in their “clouds” will set. It seems to me Eldonhas been the
    only effective limitsetter. Kantor’s kinda coasted thru like a spaceship on a videogame.

    Lol, agreed.
    B

  30. Rose says:

    Who are the “4 buddies” Soldier Stacey refers to?
    1 is obviously Spicher; another, likely, Lessman.
    Who are the other 2? Because if Stacey believes this, so does her colleague Desiree.
    In the meantime the Soldiers’ posting spree is a Borderlines’ exercise to stir us all up,
    prompted by some real world happening which is positive for Terri.

  31. Rose says:

    It is terribly unlike Soldier Stacey to post any comment relevant to Desiree w/out a
    gofundme link. That’s one indicia to me they’ve gotten wind of something offstage
    wrt Terri that has agitated them.

  32. cd says:

    quizzical says:
    July 11, 2014 at 11:04 am

    The weird thing about DY’s post is that arresting TH for murder for hire now would in no way preclude LE from charging her or prosecuting her for Kyrons disappearance once they found his body. So why would they wait to arrest her if they had solid MFH evidence now. It does not make any sense.

    The other thing that is strange these same people believe that anyone who believes TH is innocent disagreers with their message and posts online will somehow be arrested for aiding TH which is completely ludicrous. I see from her post that they get these ideas from DY.

    DY is married to a LE officer so she must know these statements are a bunch of BS. I think she realizes her followers are not all playing with full decks so not only would they believe a false statements from her but they would serve as rallying point for them.

    I don’t understand why any agency interested in or participating in aid to families that have lost a child would allow a person who is willing to resort to deceptive practices and the continued harassment of someone who may very well be innocent to serve as one of their representatives.

    —————
    -snip
    Desiree Davidson Young Just posted on new Terri page “turning tide”. They seemed to have deleted it, hmmmmm! See my post

    DA’s Office will prosecute for all of the murder for hire plots (oh yeah, there are several) as well as Kyron’s kidnapping and subsequent charges for that, when we find Kyron. They want to hit her with both barrels, so it sticks, and she can’t get off easy. Terri is going down and so are the people who have helped her along the way. Just a matter of Kyron being found first. The one and only person standing in the way of that …. Is Terri!
    Like • Reply • 14 • 9 hours ago (July 10, 2014 at 10:41pm)

  33. Rose says:

    Looking back I see the Soldier has edited & merged her comment post with yours, Blink.
    You know putting yr name to anything on her FB seems iffy as she could edit & alter.
    Taking a thought from ol Trashy, it’s possible this was all to generate hits & a readership,
    but then I don’t thing Young would be stirring the pot. My guess is Terri has a visitation-related
    milestone going on.

  34. erose says:

    Blink, Is this you trying to insert some logic?

    snip>

    Let’s pretend Terri planned a MFH and LE has all the evidence they need for an arrest. Why hasn’t she been arrested by now? If Terri did do something with/to Kyron, that would be a separate charge. My common sense tells me LE is NOT going to sit on the MFH charge until Kyron has been found and LE would potentially use the MFH charge as a bargaining chip to find information about Kyron’s whereabouts.

    So the big questions are, could LE actually hold out on arresting a person who planned a MFH when LE has all the evidence they need for an arrest? If so, why? Was the claim used by LE as a tactic to scare Terri into talking?

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kyron-Horman-Case-Turning-of-The-Tide/1428477140699516

    Lol, yes ma’am.
    B

  35. erose says:

    I think MCSO would arrest TH on a traffic ticket if they could.
    Before Houze I assume that was the plan.
    B

  36. A Texas Grandfather says:

    I need to send Rose the entry in my big dictionary for the word “penumbra”. It is four column inches long. A word with a french root first applied to shadows from sun spots and eclipses of moon and planets.

    I was laughing at the use of the word in her post regarding DY in the role of “sun spot” or the planet creating the shadow on another. Either way it made sense. However, there are several uses of the word that have emerged over time to give it relevance in other areas that some meaning near to the original that would still fit the case.

    I suppose the next thing to figure out is what is a “pig cloud” or does it relate to a certain person’s appearance?

    Maybe, just Maybe, something will happen to give Judge Haggerty the opportunity to do a house cleaning on Portland’s criminal justice agencies.

  37. cd says:

    It is interesting that the hater page posters act like LE suspicious of people not in agreement with them about Teri’s role in Kyrons disappearance.

    I think that any SZ involved in disappearing Kyron would be consistently posting on the anti Terri sites so as to keep the focus away from themselves and centered on Teri. Its probably a good thing that Kelly sends the sheets filled out by the searchers to LE where background checks can be done on the people who are inserting themselves into this case.

  38. JustOregon says:

    I was skeptical reading here at first. Not now, Every one of you are absolutely wonderful. The reasoning and intelligence here is refreshing. I’m always learning FACTS.

  39. vw says:

    @Blink. “…he will not discuss the case in any capacity outside of his assigned staff to include investigators currently assigned. Does she know that he is under investigation by the Oregon Bar and recently lost a major appeal?

    Lastly, once again, if she is so confident of TMH guilt why drop the civil suit that was publicly funded for her?
    B

    ++++

    Underhill so far has been ‘once removed’, mostly. Metaphorically, standing on the top of the steps when the “meritless” suit was spawned, his machinations have so far been untouchable.
    So have DY’s. So have Kantor’s.

    And kid gloves, imo, from Houze, etc.

    Yet the constitutional implications of a democratic government holding a child hostage in order to elicit a ‘confession’ is unfounded and begs serious scrutiny.

  40. Rose says:

    Hmmm. There is an appearance of Kaine violating the Stipulation by permission to publish his own image with Kyron
    on the Terri-viputerative Soldier’s FB page. Up today. If there’s a visit today, is that his indirect commentary?

    If they are in the public domain, no.

    Just the usual round of bully speak today- that I don’t know my facts of law, lol. Interestingly, on no occasion has any one of them ever responded with the proper argument and corrected my “facts” in contradiction. Not once.
    B

  41. Rose says:

    Giving one of their fingers in the pic.
    Irony.

  42. Seeker says:

    Desiree is now claiming there were multiple MFH plots? Okay. What does that mean? Was one person asked to kill multiple people? Or were multiple people asked to kill one person?

    Reminds me of Joseph McCarthy: “I have in my hand a list of 205–a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who, nevertheless, are still working and shaping policy in the State Department.”

    And then he kept changing the number. 57 communists!! 81 communists!! He never did produce the list he was waiving around.

    My point being that this type of unsubstantiated hyperbole seems to be standard operating procedure in witch hunts.

  43. Rose says:

    @ATG. Pig-pen’s cloud. In Texas at a certain age, I cut my teeth on Charlie Brown.
    My father mailed me the comic strip weekly, and I decorated many a term
    paper. Google Pig-pen images
    that’s how I see the cloud of characters, both professionals & public, surrounding the bios.

    While the images say it all, words from wikipedia
    “On another occasion (September 6, 1954), he managed to keep one side of his body clean and presented this clean side to Patty, causing her to believe that he was completely clean.”
    ” On another occasion, “Pig-Pen” decided it was important to have clean hands, but after failing to wash them, realized that he had “reached a point of no return”
    (I associate these images with the professionals; my opinion is a case has not been filed because of questions of “clean hands” amongst the “team.”

    “he declared to Charlie Brown, “You know what I am? I’m a dust magnet!” My opinion is Desiree is a passive “dust magnet.” The other bio imo is a more active dust magnet.

  44. thatkewlgirl says:

    I keep hoping that Desiree will put Kyron first, and I am saddened that she has always failed him. I lay a huge part of the blame on people turning away from looking for this missing child in their area on her inability to see the damage she has done to the case of finding Kyron Horman. I really hold out hope that he will be found (a la Shawn Hornbeck)and will come back and explain to these “Warriors” how much he wished they had been looking FOR him, instead of AT Terri.

    I think the only possible arrests for ‘multiple MFH plots’ coming out of all this might be related to those in the hater crater who have been incited by Desiree’s ‘harass Terri in her hometown’ mantra, who have made documented threats of death and torture in their surrogate hate campaign. I am baffled at the mass delusions she has been able to garner by creating this pitiful ‘mother’ who spews vitriol at a feigned ‘evil stepmother’ she fully supported until she realized her white picket fence public image whitewash was fading (she lashed out when the public started questioning why she left her boys and people didn’t readily buy her health issue excuse).

    (And yes, Rose, I am likely one of her alleged 4 supporters – even tho I am not admin’ing or posting on the ‘terri supporter’ facebook pages they are battling with now, and I do not use ‘fakies’ to post, like they do. I know that neither DeDe nor Terri are part of either The Tide or Trashy’s Too pages, which seems to be their focus now. Not sure who they think the other ‘supporters’ are.)

    I hesitated in posting this, because while I absolutely do not agree with DY’s behavior- I do understand it, if that makes sense.

    And- I want to make sure that all commentary regarding same is respectful to the fact that at the end of the day- I believe Kyron Horman is deceased, has been since shortly after his disappearance on June 4th, 2010, and that his disappearance was an opportunistic but sexually motivated crime (absent information 4 years later to the contrary) and his Mother is beyond grief.

    That said- treating a crime victim with respect does not mean we allow them to victimize others with their conduct.

    B

  45. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Thanks for the explanation Rose.

    My comic strip days were Flash Gordon, Smiling Jack, Little Abner and others such as Dick Tracy. Missed most of Charley Brown except when the children brought it to my attention.

    I will do the Google. I agree with your characterizations of the professionals and the bios.

  46. cd says:

    Sunshine_4me says:
    July 11, 2014 at 12:33 pm
    DA’s Office will prosecute for all of the murder for hire plots (oh yeah, there are several) as well as Kyron’s kidnapping and subsequent charges for that
    —————-
    We don’t know if someone has told DY the above or if it is just more smack talk to rally believers, scare dissenters and maybe irritate TH and her lawyers enough that they will say something about the statement publicly.

    If I think about multiple MFH’s i have to wonder who else would TH plot to murder and why. A motive was talked about of why TH would plan murder Kaine it was pretty flimsy but sort of a motive anyway. That was the motive that Kaine might be able to take Kiara from TH in a divorce because of sibling separation or something like that.

    Who else would TH want murdered and why. Not Desiree because she wanted DY to get custody of Kyron. Maybe Kaine’s mistress at the time but then TH really did not even know who this person was. The landscaper but….. he supposedly was the hit man. Several implied more then 3 so who does DY think TH wanted deep six.

    Since DY says there ARE not WERE several MFH plots does she mean that she thinks there are currently MFH plots afoot originated by TH.

    MFH is probably pretty expensive the purported amount for Kaine was $10,000 so wouldn’t several MFH’s be very expensive.

    That
    -snip
    murder for hire plots (oh yeah, there are several)
    IMO is a very odd statement.

  47. Rose says:

    @cd. I assumed Young referred to several solicitations made to differing potential killers
    with the same target, Kaine. After all, for Kyron, she only needed DeDe…and a male unknown who
    was comfortable & canny re el ed negotiation and eliciting the coooperation of a 7 yo and a teacher.
    And, if the male conspirator was all that, why didn’t he just kill Kaine for his fee, yielding Terri insurance dough, as in that event she’d have rid herself of Kyron anyway, who’d move to Young’s.

  48. Rose says:

    And if she’d sued for divorce, and aired the mistress & steroids into the pleadings, that’s all DY needed for a change of circumstances review & shifting Kyron’s principal residence. No, the way this unfolded is the only way Kaine got to keep almost everything. It seems planned, but not by Terri.

  49. Rose says:

    @Blink. Do you know whether the current nanny was the preabduction mistress?

    Not to my knowledge, no.
    B

  50. Rose says:

    btw After being what could kindly be called a media hog (multiple print sources, & local and national TV) speaking out to state over time Terri is guilty guilty guilty, imo Tony’s entire & absolute disappearance from the media seems to me his self-help to try to convert himself from a public and publicity-seeking figure to a private figure, as Terri did after receiving Houze’ counsel. Having realized this, my own take is to let the sleeping dog lie, & treat him as private (except of courseDesiree quotes his words as wrt the People article reaction), and make no further comment on his actions or beliefs. Tho the private figure Terri remains fair game from Desiree’s pov.

    Agreed.
    B

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