Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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another correction: DY does not HAVE the blessings of investigators to put pressure on TH.
Harleycolt says:
July 16, 2014 at 2:15 pm
Did anybody read about the 600+ arrest for pedophiles in the UK today ?
A handful was registered sex offenders but the rest were not. This is scary…what is this world coming to ?
…………………..
aye – including teachers,police and a scout leader….
AlbaLass
Claire Sullivan is a character in the book Burn by Nevada Barr. This character is believed to have killed her husband and children in a house fire (but she didn’t). She seeks to find her children whom she believes are still alive and involved in a child prostitution ring.
http://www.bookmarksmagazine.com/book-review/burn-anna-pigeon-novel/nevada-barr
Yes ma’am, that guess gets my vote exactly. Correct.
B
I agree that this will shore-up her status as a private vs. public figure. I don’t know if this federal civil rights law has been discussed before. Apologies if redundant:
http://trac.syr.edu/laws/18/18USC00241.html
STATUTE
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or
intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth,
Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any
right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of
the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same;
or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the
premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free
exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured -
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in
violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an
attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit
aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined
under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life,
or both, or may be sentenced to death.
And here is a good summary of the history and intent of the law, which was drafted in response to KKK activities (Rose’s post jogged my brain).
http://medawarscornflakes.blogspot.com/2011/02/americas-forgotten-anti-gangstalking.html
I don’t follow that blog. It just came up in a search a did awhile back for gang-stalking laws.
This is a pre-Internet law. Frankly, I think paragraph 2, where it states “If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway” should extend to the Internet Highway.
@Sunshine_4me says:
July 18, 2014 at 10:06 am
Thank you for posting about the fictional character Claire Sullivan. My brain went “ding, ding, ding” when I read your post. It would make sense that she would be reading books like that for strength and hope. If correct, this is the most direct declaration of innocence we’ve had from TH and the best indication as to her personal theory of where Kyron is.
The transformation would be an emotionally powerful one: from a name associated with rumors and accusations to a name associated with perseverance when wrongfully-accused.
@Seeker. Thank you for that Federal cause of action,
since her only group for hate speech is stepmother
& sadly not a protected class, which The Nanny may regret someday.
Any relief Terri files for will have to be in Federal Court.
Interesting, Sunshine_4me.
I know the bios experience loss & mourn. But either at any time could issue
a public statement calling for the owners of all FB sites to cease publishing
any comments threatening harm to Terri, calling her derigatory names, and stalking,
stating they wish no contact with anyone so commenting. If Desiree & her
sister did that, & implemented, imo the Soldiers would cease as fusion with her
means so much to them.
The family of Erin C’s “Locate” FB has kept it clean, and despite their
humble roots and some checkered history (Erin born in jail), her
family represents their missing child head & tails by word & deed better than Kyron’s.
LOL, you are relentless. And I am not sure I would want to make the statement, the “locate” site is admin’d by the Corwin side.
B
@3.0 TY for Rossmo book; will pick up via library.
The point of investigating the makes on the list is it acknowledges K left with a
male in attendance. …to rule them all out to demonstrate it
was a male not on the list. Or, alternatively, interviewkng all to mask their focused
interviewing of a handful of male attendee POIs quasi-identified by witnesses as being within
their memory possibilities. The mcso task should have been rapidly getting
headshots of all males in attendance to be shown all room witnesses in
groups before memories faded.
This crime can’t be solved by starting with Terri, were she involved.
It must start with the actual abduction & its perpetrator.
I agree that it was pretty crappy for the Medford news outlet to print the information in the first place, which is why I hesitated to pass the information on here when I saw it. But, I knew that since it came out of Medford who the source was and that it would eventually become fodder for the hater pages. So I did a heads up here. However, I think B is right and TMH knows exactly what she’s doing.
erose, I don’t think, if it were her given name, that her parents, the Moultons, would be offended at all, I think they’d want her to have a new start. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were to help her find her birth mother. People do that a lot now, particularly for medical records reasons involving their children, such as baby K.
Now that I see Sunshine’s post above, I’m probably all wet. (I’m such a romantic, I need to stop that, lol) But someone has been out searching through family search for this person, who IMO has TMH’s cheek bones and smile, and she appears to be about the right age to possibly be her grandmother and from CA. Who knows?
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4XDxY_I6AOoJ:https://familysearch.org/photos/images/2641445/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Heck, she may have picked that name just because it’s popular and would take a lot of hits to find her.
@Blink. TY for the correction. Yes, that FB has dumped inconvenient info LE holds from
credible witness, and deleted accusations of son Jon.
But, they delete accusations. Language is clean. No one is threatened or called
names (ie, if we don’t find that bitch & what has she done to my son). Compared to any
bio associated FB page in Kyron, it is clean as a whistle. It’s better to be mildly
inaccurate for selfish family reasons than inspire & collaborate with the profane & violent.
Not only that, stepped up to do own FB, not delegated to hangers on.
Respectfully, they delete provoking questions designed to generate leads- I should know, I was banned like on day one, LOL.
To your point, they are interested in information as long as it does not “lean”, and in no way are they violent or cauldron stirrers.
B
Bowing to genius TRuth.
What a photogenic grandma for any Sullivan.
@T Ruth
Don’t fight your romantic side. It adds to the posts here in a good way
I do not think the Moultons would deny Terri anything that they felt would help her they must have known some info about her family I think they would help her do genealogy I would guess the last name is somehow connected to her birth family When have we seen any kind of petty ness in the Moultons. I think they have been very devoted to Terri and would help her find her birth roots It doesn’t change their relationship with her but expands it
I agree with Blink. I think this was well thought out
I cruised the sites last night Same stuff. We well never give up. Where is Kyron
TRuth, I know the Moulton’s want her to have a new start because they have always seemed to want the best for her. What I meant was I do not think her bio family has anything to do with the name change. I think TH must be grateful for the Moulton’s so it’s not the name per se that troubles her, but what the media and other have done with it. I think Blink and Sunshine have this figured out, and TH must have a sense of humor about her circumstances or at least a sense of irony.
Sunshine_4me says:
July 18, 2014 at 10:06 am
Claire Sullivan is a character in the book Burn by Nevada Barr. This character is believed to have killed her husband and children in a house fire (but she didn’t). She seeks to find her children whom she believes are still alive and involved in a child prostitution ring.
http://www.bookmarksmagazine.com/book-review/burn-anna-pigeon-novel/nevada-barr
Yes ma’am, that guess gets my vote exactly. Correct.
B
erose- I have never spoken to TMH nor have I met her- so I don’t know that I could ever go as far as to say I have figured anything out anything relating to her motivations, however, as an impartial observer- if I were looking to reclaim myself and take those to task who may be opposed based on their differing opinions or agenda, I dare say I could not have come up with a better strategy. ‘Jus sayin.
Really- not one of you comes up with the fact that Claire Stella Sullivan is my transposed exact initials? LOL
B
Rose, With all the photos being taken that day, it’s just hard to believe this guy managed to not be in any of them. I would think all photos were surrendered upon MCSO asking and each and every person were identified in each and every photo, but who knows.
Rose says:
July 18, 2014 at 1:38 pm
Because Terri has James and Kiara I think she would want them to have knowledge of their ancestors
For health and for ID of where they came from I did genealogy for around 7 years and really enjoyed it
And I think Sunshine has good ideas also Reading can be so importing in helping one find encouragement
Everything said about Terri has to had a negative effect on her I think the search for family and encouragement
Would both give her strength to hold up
I just hope there is an ongoing investigation into what happened to Kyron. Some one active on the case as Kaine says I want to believe that
Ditto!
Rose says:
July 18, 2014 at 3:08 pm
Bowing to genius TRuth.
Erose
Your post about the photos has merit. One would think that LE would have secured copies of all those photos. However, since we have zero knowledge of their real investigative activities, we don’t know.
If they had requested the public to help them by providing anything they could such as the photos, recalling conversations and observations thereby building a wide range of information, the case may have been solved. Since LE did not engage the public in a meaningful way, we cannot know what they may have in regards to relevant evidence. We do know that the MFH concept was a foolish singular concept that LE became stuck on.
In regards to what one may or may not remember; it all depends on how well a persons memory is developed. Some have excellent memories of things and have difficulty remembering conversations. Women usually excel at verbal exchanges when compared with men while men are more adept at remembering things. Because of this, I believe LE would do well to always team a man and woman for investigation.
Some people have total recall or near total recall and others have difficulty remembering what were the details of something they were involved in fifteen minutes earlier.
The more we exercise our memories, the better they become. If you can actually remember something that happened to you prior to your school years, then your memory potential is greater than one who cannot.
Memorizing songs, poetry, stories or portions of them and musical compositions help to develop memory. Drawing and painting pictures is another tool that helps. Learning to listen with intensity is another.
Children and adults who went to school in the last fifty years are less likely to remember accurately than those who went before that time. The reason is a lack of emphasis on memory work. Those that participated in the arts with music, drama or became members of a good school debate team would have good memory training and development well above their peers.
How many in LE would have such a background? I know some who do and they are usually good a detective work.
Sorry, Blink, you’re stuck with your persona B. O. C. to we minions.
LOL
B
SCS, I guess I should have said I’m voting with you on this. I want to know how the book ends for Claire and her kids.
LOL
B
ATG,
Very interesting information on our memory. Mine was once extremely accurate and as you said developed before school years. Now it’s probably average (I hope). My Dad’s was photographic.
I think the witnesses in EM’s room would have been shown photos to see if anything clicked. I’m trying to figure out if they have identified a man in a photo, but that’s all LE has (thus the facial recognition cameras and software) or if they have no idea. Do they have a face and no name, a name and no face, or neither?
I do not know much about the names on the left.
I know there is an honorable first group of fabulous parents & citizens:
Sharpton, Kesse, Bobo, Harrington for example.
There are parents, group 2, with problems who did not act out: Celis.
He cooperated with CPS, they acknowledged an iffy relative.
Then I guess there are a 3rd group of parents whose lifestyle presented risk, Irwin.
I do not see parents, but haven’t clicked all yr case links,
who have desended to these bios’ activities:
incorporating into their interactions strangers generated by the abduction
as their new bff, fundraisers, Board member, even a live in,
and public attacks on a co-parent to include
assertions of guilt, collaborating on line with violent stalkers (DY that is),
pleas for money for 2 separate nontransparent accts.
These bios did not appear to have family friends & connections amongst the
adults in Kyron’s school or immediate neighborhood family, at least
ones that have been public. Kyron, imo but for Terri’s activities, was part of a
family socially isolated in his neighborhood & school. I didn’t see the
pta taking Kaine casseroles. Or reaching out to Desiree. I just feel these 2 are
outliers imo. The Corwin bios so far I put in the second type group.
To me Kyron’s are a 4th type,
all to themselves. This affects imo the level of competent resources provided the
investigation.
this is the only other birth in nevada county with the same birthdate. that county is really not that big so I am went through every single birth certificate in that county for that date. This is the only one for that birthdate.
notice this one only has the last name listed. also note the baby has the mother’s maiden name, so the mother was not married
California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Kisiel
Name: Kisiel[/u]
[size=150]Birth Date: 14 Mar 1970 [/size]
Gender: Female
Mother’s Maiden Name: Kisiel
Birth County: Nevada
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.0
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This was the discussion early on over on SM as to TH’s birth mother. I just thought I would pass it on for thought.
Why try to understand these 2 bios?
Since the Portland media, and Portland public school personnel including the Supt,
havetaken a hike on investigation & advocacy,
imo Kyron’s parents are the only ones with informal or formal power
to change the leadership and impetus of the investigation. And all of their
activities since the abduction seem to equal goal displacement to me.
The Portland school district has as Rose says “taken a hike on the investigation” is to protect themselves from both civil and criminal prosecution. They are the ones who are responsible for the ability of an SZ to get onto the campus and abduct a child.
There are imo several someones that were/are hiding helpful information so that the schools direct liability could be concealed and the public would give them a pass.
If KH and DY had insisted that the LE agencies concentrate on the origin point of this abduction, then there would have been a different outcome at this point. Instead the bio parents decided to blame the one person who really was a parent to Kyron and for whatever reason, so did LE even to the point of a made up MFH concept.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Rose says:
July 18, 2014 at 8:33 pm
Why try to understand these 2 bios?
Since the Portland media, and Portland public school personnel including the Supt,
havetaken a hike on investigation & advocacy,
imo Kyron’s parents are the only ones with informal or formal power
to change the leadership and impetus of the investigation. And all of their
activities since the abduction seem to equal goal displacement to me.
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Bio’s appear too busy trying to keep their personal skeletons hidden away in the closet to truly advocate for Kyron and demand answers from Portland School District, MCSO, etc
(car washes, underwear and rubber bracelet sales, fund me searches of previously professionally searched areas = “look at the shiny object over here – not at bio’s and what danger THEY may have left Kyron exposed to”). MOO
Seems all is fair game when it comes to every detail (real or manufactured) about Terri.
Next to nothing is known about Kaine & Desiree … totally hands-off by the media.
Since day one with Kaine tossing out the “non team players” of the media at early pressers – not a single media outlet has the balls to even ask painfully obvious follow-up questions.
Sheesh!
from the link posted by erose upthread:
“Desiree Young continues to say she will keep putting pressure on Terri Horman by sharing new details in the case, even without the blessing of investigators, in an effort to find her son. ”
http://www.kptv.com/story/26047398/terri-horman-seeks-to-legally-change-name-to-claire-sullivan
So what exactly does this mean? That she has, like Kaine, been given details in this case she shouldn’t have been? And does it mean she could care less what LE has told her not to reveal. Is she purposefully trying to muck up the case? What “New” details? Or does it mean that she does not have the blessings of LE to “pressure” Terri.
Why are the reports all so vague in this case?
Thanks for the birth link, Ode.
Ode, I was just thinking although that could well be her mother, just because she was adopted out of Nevada County, CA doesn’t mean she was born there does it? Why couldn’t she have been born in a different county but then adopted out of that county’s facilities at a later date November 27 leaves a lot of months between her birth date and adoption date. (IDK, I guess I just think Terri looks like a Sullivan or an O’Sullivan, more than of a Kisiel heritage, she looks very Irish to me.)
I think one of her favorite days was St. Pattys.
I am having trouble loading this site Anyone else?
Ode, never mind, I see the adoption request listed GV, CA Hospital as birthplace.
I’m reflecting while it was OK for Kaine to abruptly dump Terri via divorce.
the issue has been deep sixing equitable distribution & shared custody.
if you decide you are married to a trouble-magnet who is crazy, and you can’t cope
or support her, or love her, you get out. He demonstrated his MO to “get out” of marriage to a
Troubled lady when he bailed on Desiree before delivery.
Desiree’s storyline is he can’t keep his pants zipped.
His storyline could be I divorced her & have no contact
because she is Trouble. He might say, I was wed to Trouble, twice,
but I want a life and a normal wife.
Some of us see Terri as a normal wife, but we didn’t live in that house. He did.
Imo as I look back, mcso is covered wrt to their statements.
Not directly accusatory of Terri, but for flier which is quite arguable.
The direct accusors (without interpolating LE told me as
Kaine did) are only Desiree & Tony. And Desiree is still out in front
leading the violent speechifiers.
Malty
Your question about loading the site could be related to weather. Are you loading to a phone via a cell connection?
I experienced some slow loads recently, but I am on satellite and there must be clear weather for uploading control signals and downloading to a ground station that is located in the Atlanta, Ga. area where it connects with the internet. Then the receive side is the reverse. That is four opportunities for the weather to make things difficult.
Having said the above, there is still some problems with this site that appear from time to time. They are not consistent. Sometimes when I post it acknowledges the post and places it were it is in the general discussion area. Most of the time it does not, so I have figured out a way to leave the site without loosing what I posted.
Most of that could be a timing error because of the satellite links that I work through. Without knowing the route and the equipment, finding the real answer may be difficult. Don’t give up just keep trying.
In theory, after Kyron was taken we assume an assault followed by a murder occurred. There would have been a four step plan, the first step was to abduct, then assault, then murder, then dispose. Maybe we should move past the abduction and think about where someone could execute the other three steps unnoticed. In to the woods, on to a boat, where?
Brilliant conversation, and I think Rose also attempted the discussion in terms of final disposition and I begged off for ethical reasons. I encourage the dialog, although I may not be able to weigh in specifically.
B
erose says:
July 20, 2014 at 7:35 pm
In theory, after Kyron was taken we assume an assault followed by a murder occurred. There would have been a four step plan, the first step was to abduct, then assault, then murder, then dispose. Maybe we should move past the abduction and think about where someone could execute the other three steps unnoticed. In to the woods, on to a boat, where?
Brilliant conversation, and I think Rose also attempted the discussion in terms of final disposition and I begged off for ethical reasons. I encourage the dialog, although I may not be able to weigh in specifically.
B
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I apologize for not knowing the best term for this, but I’m wondering if there should be a possible 5th step – memorialize the crime in some way?
Yes Blink! Shout out to Rose’s idea to shift the conversation from the “who” to the “where.”
Wrt Steps 2&3, under the Keep It Simple it seems to me gratification
(& murder is gratification too) occurs right there in the vehicle. However
we know this is a highly organized offender who planned & thus can delay Steps 2&3
gratification. I like the idea Kyron was left bound, taped, disabled in the vehicle
while SZ went back inside “carrying something in,” consistent with his
Mathews’ room statement, was seen without Kyron, & established
his alibi. If that is the case, & he can defer & acted according to plan, imo he
took Kyron to that isolated bolthole he could reach quickly Blink’s original
description suggested. His property would have to be out of sight and out of
sound of neighbors, ruling out the river (sound carries on water)
or a houseboat.
Imo he owns the property (no nosy landlords coming to help search sheds, & can
refuse LE searches w/o a warrant). LE played right into his hands by telling neighbors
to search their own private properties. I picture a quiet curmudgeonly personality
people tend to overlook & leave alone. Imo the body is still on his
private property. That’s the safest place. He’s socially isolated–no friends or
family visit.(SusieQ, this is not like Durham who was sociable with
family & others & let his property be used.) Imo LE stopped these searches
due to knowing he’s likely on private property. Maybe they
identified him but are still searching for a link to Terri. Frink really ran the
investigation & imo his goal was a conviction period because
he thought he could, didn’t matter if she was guilty. If we understand the most
likely body disposition for Blink’s SZ, imo that narrows down the Whos. Imo the who
lives within or close to school boundaries.
I like anything that conceals dna, like
a poured concrete job, a new patio in 2010.
the SZ profile is someone tidy and smart.
gotta figure on a tidy, thorough disposition.
In theory SZ probably assumed that Kyron would have been noticed to be missing at 10 am when either Porter took attendance or when he failed to return with his group. I guess it’s possible that the chaperone could have noticed Kyron missing sooner. Was the chaperone in EM’s classroom? Did the chaperone think since EM nodded okay, that Kyron was not longer his/her responsibility? How long did SZ think he had until an Amber Alert was issued?
Weren’t they using infrared technology night one?
Rose, IMO, not if incapacitated and moved to a smaller boat and taken down the river to the ocean. I recently read mothers/females prefer watery graves (clean?). A container tossed overboard seems to me more likely to be discovered, but a body throw overboard would not, IMO.
I thought about 2&3 in the vehicle and that would only seem semi-private. If SZ went to his own property close to the school, then why risk discovery in a vehicle? I think if it occurred in a vehicle SZ would have a hidey hole in the woods were he went. I think if it occurred on private property it would all occur there.
I think this person thought he had about an hour or less to get to “safety.” I imagine him listening to the tv or radio for an Amber Alert that never came.
Rose says:
July 20, 2014 at 11:53 pm
snip>
His property would have to be out of sight and out of
sound of neighbors, ruling out the river (sound carries on water)
or a houseboat.
Rose, When you say socially isolated it made me think of A. Castro whose family sporadically visited but never went into the parts of the house where he kept three female prisoners. If not socially isolated then his family and friends are “trained.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/ground_search_resumes_this_mor.html
All searches 1st Sat, Sun, Mon were for a boy wandering off on his own (so doubtless that’s what FBI vic profilers came up with that Sat. AM, a wander off scenario. retire that regional FBI group. )
“Olsen said searchers on Sunday were not able to complete the 2-mile area from Skyline to Kyron’s home and hope to do that today.
She said searchers today will focus on an area known as wood mill by Cornelius Pass and Northwest Sheltered Nook Road.
“Yesterday they were in the thick blackberries,” Olsen said. “They spent seven hours in there and only did a third of it.”
She said so far searchers have focused on what’s considered “high probability” areas – areas that search tables show a 7-year-old is likely to go if he or she has wandered off on his or her own. ”
3 days forcused on 2 mi between school & home.!!!!!
To me the “wander off” theory says
mcso knew he went outside, & the theory was he didn’t come back in with the Man.
New FBI Field Office Dir acknowledges his lack of experience with these abductions;
“”The case here is unique,” added Arthur Balizan, FBI Special Agent in Charge. ”
articles mentioning private property say it’s mostly along areas abutting roads.
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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html
June 11 Fri “search expands to Sauvie”
June 14, searching winds up, ending with Sauvie
“Monday, June 14
While the large-scale search has ended, Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office sends divers to Sauvie Island, where they can be seen wading in waist-high water off the banks of the Multnomah Channel north of the Sauvie Island Bridge.”
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other searches
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/kyron_horman_search_starts_wit.html
fall 10–Sauvie, premised on Terri’s cell pings
Jan 11 – remote private logging parcels
I wonder why they were optimistic that day?
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http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/missing-kyron-horman/unsolved.html
“They tried one last time – the weekend of March 26, 2011. They searched a gravel road in the North Plains area near Portland. .”
fyi
http://www.srnpdx.org/current_newsline
live rural on Sauvie day
http://www.wmswcd.org/content.cfm/Calendar/View-Event?eventid=609
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It seems to me the SAR strategies of
1)between home & school
2) Sauvie, based on pingology rather than Terri’s presence
3) remote logging parcels abutting Skyline Dr North
4) a focus on Roadsides & RightofWays & major intersections with Skyline Dr
5) property associated with DDS
have not worked.
(We know Kyron was transported in a vehicle which if driven onto his property would’ve left no scent by roads.)
My theory is the disposition is on secluded private property owned by SZ, and not near roads or outbuildings, nor accessible to predators if he is smart.
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I don’t see any male on List who worked for Bonneville Power’s Solar for Schools as a visiting demonstrator/teacher.
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So what List males lived alone as local homeowners on secluded properties?
Another possibility is whether any on List had experienced a personal crisis in preceding year? job loss, death of mother, divorce, etc
These are questions mcso shoukd’ve asked.
I was reading over at the monkeys and came across where people were asked to search their shed and property
Carefully them selves. This time it hit me just how it was
ATG. I love my wifi but it does let me down some times
It is cool tonite and everything is working fine. Yes!!!
Rose says:
July 20, 2014 at 11:53 pm
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I can’t disagree with a word you said, Rose. Unless they were totally convinced Kyron wandered off – and I never believed they were – I still don’t understand the “search your own property” request. Seems they’d have had a better case for warrants if they hadn’t asked for the “help”.
I suppose LE thought if they could connect Terri to a person such as you described, they could get a warrant to search the property based on that connection.
I totally agree about K being restrained in some way in a vehicle. I’ve said this before, but watching my own family members play hide and seek and scrunch themselves into very small spaces made me think of how easy it would be to hide a child K’s size, particularly if drugged.
I also agree about the property location being close to the school, however, because of the kind of area it is, maybe the person lives elsewhere and owns the land for other reasons without a dwelling on it (pot growing, hunting, investment, inherited, etc.). I still think the person is living close by, or no further away than Washington County, Multnomah County, Clackamas County, or Vancouver, WA. If he’s an “absentee landowner”, everything you said could be true except that he could be less of a hermit – or not.
In reviewing search locations, I am just surprised search locations seem not to be intelligence or analysis driven other than a theory Terri drove on Sauvie based on erroneous ping analysis. All that overtime down the toilet it seems to me. Sauvie, roadside areas between Skyline & home are based on Terri did it & she’s stoopid. The logging parcels?? Maybe due to 1 tipper thinking she was at a trailhead. Searches seem to be Terri did it from June 5. They should’ve looked at men on site fitting Mathews’ witnesses description, started with who lived alone in the area, or try for permission to search all living alone, and see if any’d had a personal crisis in the last year. That Col kid dismembered & used a crawl space. Kept his victim close.
I’m retracting on buying the media regurgitation week 1 of mcso’s “we’re searching for where a 7 yo would have wandered off” because media also said on Sat/Sun/Mon they searched between Skyline & home. If it was a “wandered off” theory, they would’ve gone 2 miles South on Skyline Blvd as well. Then they segued onto Sauvie per pings. it seems to me there was no real thought he wandered off, rather they believed he left in the truck with Terri headed north, & she offed & dumped him on that driving route before the Meyers alibi was validated. And by the time Kaine asked them to search the Banks’ farm the first weekend, he believed that too imo. Seems to me he was colluding with mcso to wire the house when he took her to the gym.
This question is off the current discussion track, but was provoked by it:
It seems the accepted consensus here that Kyron’s disappearance just after the scheduling of a doctor’s appointment (which was said to be disclosed to some) to discuss recent behavior changes was entirely coincidence, right?
Coincidental to his disappearance, as in unrelated? If that is what you mean, then I can only say that since SZ has not been identified, and my best information has Kyron going out the door with him, I don’t know for certain, but I am not aware of any reason it would be any sort of impetus.
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@erose. Castro is an
example of Blink’s concern
“hiding in plain sight”