Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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@Rose
From Syracuse.com
The evidence withheld at the time of Thibodeau’s conviction laid out a clear motive for the 18-year-old’s kidnapping and death, Peebles wrote. The court filing details how Allen had been working as a drug informant for the Oswego County sheriff’s department. A card, describing her as an informant, was dropped in the parking lot where of the convenience store where she worked and was last seen alive.
There are several articles to read up on. Stuff nightmares are made of. I remember when she disappeared Easter morning. Sheriffs office went into CYA mode immediately.
Right now I have no plans to cover Heidi’s case, but I can tell you is substantively similar to one I have, Holly Bobo.
B
@ Rose says:
July 30, 2014 at 7:26 pm
I absolutely agree with you. She didn’t spend a quarter million on an attorney to not follow legal advice.
LE has proven to her (and everyone watching) that they cannot be trusted. She has no reason to believe they won’t lie again, or pull some other legal game via civil courts to circumvent the laws.
I wish we could get outside investigation into not just Kyron’s disappearance but also the investigation itself.
@ NelMel says:
July 30, 2014 at 5:31 am
Inre to a quality investigative reporter – there is ONE local reporter who COULD do it, and would do a DEEP study on it, but he left the ‘scene’… I suspect he had to consider the reality that his writing was putting his own family at risk (to LE and the Media) after his expose on KOIN news director. His name is Peter Ames Carlin, formerly an investigative reporter with the Oregonian. He is dogged in his pursuits, but I doubt we could get him to come out of his ‘retirement’… he now writes about musicians and follows his own heart in writing (can’t blame him, since journalism in Oregon has become yellow rag in appearance.) I was hoping the turn over of heading the Oregonian with a CA based investigative reporter might change things, but I’m not holding out much hope – with the likes of the ‘girls’ still giving mouthpiece to the Team Player mentality.
well, Blink has repeatedly stated the Roadmap (only one imo) to a renewed credible investigation with FBI as lead.
And that is that a parent has the right (& imo morally the obligation) to sit down with Sheriff Staton (imo hopefully with a criminal advisory attorney present not the Rackner Revue) to request orally & in writing Staton turn jurisdiction over to the FBI (cc Press Release). Now the divorce is settled, Kaine can act. That he does not only makes joe public suspicious of his involvement. Imo DY is a writeoff, but KH if he fails to do this suggests he has too much to hide, ie collateral crimes.
ot
the Find Jennifer FB now pictures a delightful 1999 Lexus SUV. having a 2004 toyota van with 280,000 mi, I can say these toyota products did not come with ABS & Traction until 2005 (tho doubtless it was an addon pkg), and after my first skid downhill on a curve at only 30 mph on dry ground, I became very cautious & fly my kid home from college while I drive if the ground is likely to be damp. I think her husband’s off-the-road idea is based on his experience with a nonABS SUV.
Around here, the man doesn’t get his tie off after work before the child-care mother has errands after a day in the trenches. The Gatorade & trailmix suggest she needed a pickmeup for a little walk or exercise. I hope they find that green suv; pity it’s not red.
ot Did ya’ll see on Find Jennifer FB there is an Interactive map which individual members of public can mark areas they have searched? Such a tool could revolutionize searches for missing where the family has a constituency due to embedded local social networks.
RE Rose
@Mom 3.0. Appreciating your good intentions to benefit Kyron, wrt “Before we call on others to come forward again or still or now shouldnt we call on TH to again make herself available to share her remembrances and details.”
imo wrt “who was Kyron”–his strengths & weaknesses, (and more imoirtantly what was each parent engaged in that presented risk to him), in the settings of home & school, imo it is outrageous fo me that bios would AGAIN expect Terri to do THEIR heavy lifting to speak out to characterize Kyron & his home & school adjustments, challenges,& worries meaning expecting Terri to speak first & speak in their stead, when they have imo utterly failed at that parenting task for him post-abduction. Also Imo his pictoral portrayal on Desires’s collaborator’s Soldier site is out of touch with reality.
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Thank you I appreciate yrs as well.
—Why wouldnt anyone wish for TH to speak share details and remembrances of Kyrons strengths & weaknesses, the risks each adult may have brought into the mix on all matters nn the settings of home & school on any adjustments, challenges,& worries on any encounters etc as you seem to understand that TH was in the unique position to have such knowledge
What does it matter that the bios failed and can not offer these remembrances and details- it matters only that they cant so Th as his Mom should- not because they expect her to do “the heavy lifting” not because they want her to speak in their stead but because it is the only thing to do as the sole person in this position with this knowledge.
How have the bios failed Kyron post disappearance? They have worked tirelessly with police with the community to try and bring him home.
Have they made mistakes- Im sure could they do something better or different yes but the same can certainly be said for TH
Rose given yr earlier post:
Rose says:
July 27, 2014 at 5:56 pm
@TRuth. WRT “I’m wondering if anyone really knew this child?”
Terri did. Well. Keenly observant. Interventionist. Voluble.
Makes you wonder why Kaine & co collaborated in silencing her
thoroughly. Oh, the tales wrt Kaine & Desiree vis-a-vis Kyron’s home
life & care I bet she wanted & wants to tell. And would have in
divorce court imo but for Kaine getting there first.
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You seem to fully support the idea that TH is and was Keenly observant that she “really knew” Kyron that she was at the ready to intervene for him for herself for her family when needed that she was voluable : talking easily, readily, and at length; fluent in all things Kyron
Then you should fully understand the need for her to share all of this for Kyrons benefit- To hell with the pettiness to hell with remaining completely silent- advice of Houze or not-
hes not the only lawyer in town and he works for HER
If theres a will theres a way which De De proved By continuing to aid LE to speak despite being in Les cross hairs and once being a POI
as the ramseys and the celis’ Mark klaas and countless other parents of missing/murdered children have proven -
You can protect yrself from wrongful arrest at the same time working tirelessly to bring yr child home or the murderer to justice – you can share info and details and remembrances you can be available for testing and depos- each and every time yr asked you can do interviews and so on-
You wrote:
Rose says:
July 30, 2014 at 7:26 pm
@Mom 3.0. wrt “My apologies to TH for not being able to defend her silence even though I know it stems from fear”
I differ with you in only this matter of motivation for silence.
There is no reason to infer fear as a motivation for silence at all.
One could be perfectly self-confident, perfectly right & honest, be chafing to
speak, be very verbally articulate, present credibly & believeably
when speaking and yet be absolutely silent on wise advice of competent Counsel.
And DDS herself remained silent until she had the verified results
of her clearing poly in writing. As for the Hrand Jury. One has to be called & questioned.
That option has always been available to Frink & Rees.
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We seem to both agree that THs input could very well help Kyron and the case
its ok that we disagree on the motivation for silence- but in truth i dnt think we do- the ONLY reason to follow the lawyers advice to NOT cont to aid police to not share your keen observations and inside knowledge is because you fear arrest.
What other reason is there? whther it be the fear of an innocent being wrongfully accused arrested and tried or whther it be fear of the guilty doing all to avoid justice
It still stems from fear does it not?
PS De De DID NOT remain silent she spoke out to People mag and to friends online sharing alot of details some of which she rehashed here for Blink and she was available to LE-
Not sure Im following yr thoughts on the GJ if youd care to elaborate.
Thanks for sharing yr thoughts with me Rose most appreciated
AJMO Peace
RE cd says:
July 29, 2014 at 2:11 am
Mom3.0 says:
July 28, 2014 at 1:40 am
Before we call on others to come forward again or still or now shouldnt we call on TH to again make herself available to share her remembrances and details
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IMO
its pretty clear that LE/DY never believed a word Terri said and it doesn’t look to me that DY or LE would believe any information that came from Terri. Every word she said would be picked apart and presented by the news in such a way cause sensationalism by the local news stations and fodder for the hater facebooks.
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Always good to hear from u CD
I appreciate yr opinion and you could be right but even if true that LE Dy and all wouldnt believe her that is not was is important what is important is that she would be sharing her POV her recall her remembrances her unique perspective- all to hopefully help Kyron
what would be important is she would be creating an avenue for others to follow such as the FBI or a PI – a record will exist that could aid in the prosecution of the culprit a record that could be cross checked with new and old info with new witnesses- with new detectives etc a record that will survive long after retirement or a witness dies(think PRamsey)
Her renewed input and continuing input could be the difference needed to set LE on the right track to narrow down SZ- to find Kyron.
None of what is shared By TH in these interviews with LE or the FBI has to be made available for press- and she could have the protection of counsel as well-
as for FB and the masses- again they would notneed to know and if TH chose to speak to press or if something was leaked — if it was picked apart and twiisted who cares what is said on FB or else where? Big deal a child is missing her child- let them say what they want she can rest assured that she is putting Kyron First and to Hell with the rest.
You wrote:
If I was Terri I would not utter a word to LE/DY even if they promised immunity. Dede is an example she testified before the GJ (without taking the fifth), she passed an LDT and yet the Haters including DY continue to harass and accuse her.
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Why wouldnt you speak to LE the DA or to the FBI EVEN if you were granted immunity? To spite those on FB to spite the Bios? Kyron is missing Hes at risk. The rest is BS
—De De did the right thing– who the hell cares aabout the haters-
Haters gonna hate nomatter what.
-Do whats best for Kyron thats all that matters right?
AJMO
Peace
DDS has done the “right thing” and imo, had I been in a position to advise her differently- the very wrong things in this case. I say this publicly because I have said this to her. This occurred over a number of years. The DA believes she is a conduit of sorts, regardless of evidence to the contrary.
I agree she is a conduit- to the eventual truth, which had nothing whatsoever to do with her- she was a mild acquaintance/friend who worked in the triangulation path that knew TMH.
B
Mom3.0, I don’t think TH will ever speak unless evidence is found that will clear her. Her alibi seems to clear her of the abduction, but once that was established, instead of changing the direction of the investigation, LE was looking for her accomplice, enter DDS. Now DDS has been cleared, at least to her own satisfaction that she is willing to talk, but still DY is fixated on TH and the investigation has not publically steered in a different direction. All four parents had alibis therefore all four parents could have had an accomplice, or not, and this could be a stranger abduction. We can only hope that LE has opened their minds to other scenarios but the one they promoted in 2010/2011. Sadly, most of us have lost faith in them.
As my deceased Southern aunts would say, “Well I never.” Or, maybe “Lordy Mercy.”
http://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=279730123646&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&_rdr
I submiy thus is a hunk for nerds, and of limited interest to anyone not keen to ogle male body builders,
as his appearance beneficiary. I bet his volunteerism gives KH facetime or at least a signed picture.
Anyone else see the irony that this frontal pic is the polar opposite of Kyron’s body type, persona, & large motor coordination? Imo Kyron could never have fit Kaine’s gym-centric ideal male imago.
*IF* she came forward to be re interviewed/ to share again…. others might too
*IF* it would help Kyron and *IF* it could help steer LE in the right direction finally and *IF* it would help bring a perp to justice then isnt that *IF* that possible outcome more important than the *IF* that keeps her silent which is that possibility that chance that something she says could result in a wrongful arrest of an innocent Mom?
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IMO If she came forward LE would not believe a word she said anyway. LE has focused on TH they will continue ti focus on TH because to change their tunnel vision now would make them look like a bunch of buffoons. I also agree with @rose If you are paying a Lawyer a quarter mill $ to represent you then it would be pretty stupid not to follow his advice.
Just look at the emails where she did give some clues about how Kyron was behaving. None of LE the bios or any of the supposed soldiers for Kyron believed anything she said. Most of them tried to use her words to make her look guilty.
There is a local PI weighing in on the missing Jennifer Huston case
He is Steve Robinett president of Northwest Investigations in Happy Valley
Wonder if has ever looked at the Kyron case
re-reading my comment (& making that correction to “submit this”),
I realize for the first time on a visceral level the Irony of Kyron’s
memorial shrine being at Kaine’s GYM. Just who or what is it a shrine
to, standing there? The FB Fundraiser pic of an enticing male gym celebrity
suggests it–the Ideal Imaged Male Body, which kyron would
never be, except in a fantasy one is able to create about the disappeared.
I guess the only virtue is it’s not at a place Kyron loved
or frequented like the zoo, so it’s out of sight of children & cannot scare them.
@TKG I personally don’t think the issue is “the girls” are just being Team Players.
I have come to believe after 4 years of reading that they lack the
professional skills to work at that level. And while 1 or 2 at WW have the
skill, it has become clear after 4 years WW is a “house organ” under the
direction of an owner-editor in my opinion as a reader.
@ erose says: July 29, 2014 at 5:18 pm
Anyone with Kindle and $0.99 want to give us a book report?
I went for it.. totally appalling from the skim. KH initials, all details lifted from media stories of the case, book ends with stepmother did it.
I’d forgotten I wanted to read that and now I have a kindle, so there you go.
I’ll look more closely but the author’s statements says his is a pen name to cover the attorney he actually is, and his clients.
Fox News reporting they are looking for Jennifer Huston on San Juan Islands today
OT but Here in Oregon this missing mother is news
ot
Kantor resurfaces….
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/07/mom_accused_of_murdering_meth-.html#incart_river
“… asked a judge Wednesday to assigned her a new defense attorney, one who is not a new mother.”
Words fail me. Kantor should not be on the bench.
“Judge Henry Kantor asked Mangus to be more specific.
“Does that mean all lawyers with children? Or just moms with children?” the judge asked.
(preening sarcasm imo)
….
“Kantor then told Mangus that many defense attorneys have children. Many judges do, too. And if her case goes to trial, jurors probably will, too.
“I have two kids,” Kantor said. “I remember their early years vividly. It’s not going to make much difference how old they are.”
Kantor denied Mangus’ request, saying he didn’t have the legal basis needed to do so.”
(well, that’s crap imo.)
One guess as to what judicial experience led him to be handpicked imo to try a criminal case of infant matricide due to negligence. (Sidebar–was the bio father charged?)
Defendant asks Kantor for an attorney who did not give birth about the date she did.
Because her infant’s wellbeing & death is the meat of a serious criminal charge.
And Kantor replies with a question covering men (Do they really give birth Henry?) and older moms.
He either has cognitive processing problems (my bet)
or is disrespectful & deliberately sarcastically obtuse speaking to defendants.
@ evie says:
July 31, 2014 at 10:59 am
@ erose says: July 29, 2014 at 5:18 pm
Anyone with Kindle and $0.99 want to give us a book report?
I went for it.. totally appalling from the skim. KH initials, all details lifted from media stories of the case, book ends with stepmother did it.
I’d forgotten I wanted to read that and now I have a kindle, so there you go.
I’ll look more closely but the author’s statements says his is a pen name to cover the attorney he actually is, and his clients.
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Same attorney that has posted derogatory posts on the FB hate pages, and donated $$ to D’s legal/search/makeover fund…
*snip*
$100
Jens Amundsen
21 months ago
Because Kyron and his family deserve justice
Link: http://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman
Search via ‘highest’ on the donation list (right side)
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/07/mom_accused_of_murdering_meth-.html#incart_river
Interesting comments by Judge Kantor
@NelMel says:
July 30, 2014 at 5:31 am
Thank you for posting about the situation in Oswego County. Riveting and heartbreaking. The comments sections are filled with a mix of anger and hopelessness. I really feel for that community. I wish there were more John O’Briens. Maybe there needs to be the equivalent of a Superfund to clean up that level of toxic corruption.
In the absence of any investigative reporters, I don’t think any progress will be made for Kyron until witnesses at Skyline start speaking out publicly on moderated blogs like this one.
It’s that time of year again –
Looking for something fun to do as a family that will benefit your community?
If so, free up your calendar for the morning of Saturday, August 23, 2014. On that morning from 9:00am to noon you can join several of your neighbors to help spruce up the grounds of several school buildings in your community.
Participating volunteers will be helping to groom the grounds of the following
schools/facilities:
North Clackamas School District will provide donuts and water to all the hard-working volunteers. You need only bring gloves, yard working tools and a willing spirit.
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Meanwhile, in Portland –
Opportunities at Skyline
Facilities Support:
Garden Maintenance:
Community Care Day:
Sunday, August 24 2014 – Sunday, August 24 2014
9am – 1pm
Clean up grounds
Supplies:
Please bring landscape and gardening tools
To take advantage of this volunteer opportunity, please contact Jill Sage . . .
(source – press releases)
raceyrin, Do you think that the cover up in Kyron’s case is because of bad police work or motivated by corruption (such as steroids)?
raceyrin says:
July 30, 2014 at 6:22 pm
My point on the Heidi Allen case is that the Sheriffs covered it up not once but twice and I absolutely believe police in kyrons case did the same and will continue.
Thanks Evie. I should have known. I was hoping there was some hypothetical we had not considered.
TKG, Great find. Propaganda, and I bit.
I am surprised that Amundsen’s book had the outcome it did give quotes like this one.
Kyron Horman
I wrote DEATH ON PILOT HILL because Kyron Horman is still missing. He deserves more aggressive and far smarter law enforcement investigators and prosecutors.
Too many clues and suspects have been overlooked in this cold case of a missing child taken in broad daylight in his school.
Kyron deserves justice.
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2534139.Jens_Amundsen/blog/tag/kyron-horman#sf
@Sharon. clarifying my Kantor Kriminal Kommentary.
You’d think Kantor would want to bulletproof the eventual verdict as to appeal by giving her a new attorney. How did defendant know her Court-appointed attorney gave birth in the same time frame as herself except from that attorney (trying to connect?). Unprofessional. The actual trial had not embarked. A change request during litigation differs from one before start up imo. Imo Henry just didn’t want a Trial Motion he would have to grant to postpone while a newly appointed lawyer caught up. And he’d risk reassignment of a media case if a postponement drug out. Imo our Henry is a publicity Hound.
Past his stupidity wrt ensuring a Counsel change to preserve a semblance of trial fairness, his convo with defendant reeks of sarcasm & mysogeny.
@Seeker.
wrt “any progress will be made for Kyron until witnesses at Skyline start speaking out publicly on moderated blogs like this one.”
I believe every Skyline witness on “the List” has been interviewed multiple times by mcso or allies, ie fbi or task force member’s allied PDs. I have NO doubt each and every Skyline witness told his/her mcso/team interviewers precisely what they told Blink (more likely in her case than not by private email, not blog).
Mcso & DA Office (and media, if knowledgeable) have suppressed this direct witness information.
We do not know if from corrupt purposes, stupidity, or professional provincialism.
Frankly, it comes down to bioDad konfronting mcso with an FBI lead demand.
But he’s living with a new k mommy and apparently benefitting from Awareness Foundation
$ off Mark Coleman’s famous body building or whatever. (Tho nonbody builders probably never heard of him.)
Will maybe SZ will crawl out of hiding for the Foundation Event at Edge to gaze at Male Perfection?
(Off to get my spit pea soup from stove….
@Blink. wrt DDS has done the “right thing”
& wrt “The DA believes she is a conduit of sorts, regardless of evidence to the contrary.”
Sounds like DA Rees didn’t “clear” her.
I believe poly & GJ under oath notwithstanding, this highly dysfunctional (imo) office would stick with
a plan to convict TH & Associate at all costs regardless of the evidence.
wrt “she was a mild acquaintance/friend who worked in the triangulation path that knew TMH. B”
What do you mesn by “triangulation path”?
triangling Terri-DDS-MCSO?
or a triangle of Terri-?-?
What does DDS WORKED in a triangulation path mean?
Landscaping?
Pings. Although want to be clear, there was no communication between the two, I am strictly stating what LE “theorized”.
B
B
@3.0.
DDS spoke to the GJ because she was subpoenaed & called.
Terri was not called to testify to the GJ.
wrt “Why wouldnt you speak to LE the DA or to the FBI EVEN if you were granted immunity”
Who was granted immunity?
Not Terri. Not DDS. (yes immunity attaches to what
you are subpoenaed to testify to as long as you are truthful).
Was Rudy?
@3.0 wrt to yr comment “the sole person in this position with this knowledge.”
Well, she may know Kyron’s personality, strengths & weaknesses, but from her
silence, I infer she knows ZIP about SZ the male abductor, thus has nothing to contribute re abduction,
and knows too much about bioDad, therefore he should give thanks he was able to silence her.
this Mark Meet The Body fundraiser makes me think not only of Kyron, but James.
A handsome, masculine boy, James was yet outside Kaine’s & the Edge’s Ideal Male Sculpted Bod.
How does that hurt a male teen son’s self esteem that he can never be what (pseudo)Dad values?
Imo it’s wonderful Terri sent James away.
Rose says:
July 31, 2014 at 1:50 am
As my deceased Southern aunts would say, “Well I never.” Or, maybe “Lordy Mercy.”
http://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=279730123646&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&_rdr
*****
Interesting to me is that the Aug. 8th fundraiser ask that you only bring cash to donate…is that normal?
No, especially because although they are a 501 C3, there is no mention of it’s tax deduction to donors.
B
@Rose says:
July 31, 2014 at 1:50 am
WTH? Okay, I’m back to a steroid connection in Ky’s disappearance again.
https://m.facebook.com/279730123646/photos/a.327093893646.148805.279730123646/10153640609268647/?type=1&source=46&refid=17
Seeker says:
July 31, 2014 at 11:32 pm
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@NelMel says:
July 30, 2014 at 5:31 am
Thank you for posting about the situation in Oswego County. Riveting and heartbreaking. The comments sections are filled with a mix of anger and hopelessness. I really feel for that community. I wish there were more John O’Briens. Maybe there needs to be the equivalent of a Superfund to clean up that level of toxic corruption.
In the absence of any investigative reporters, I don’t think any progress will be made for Kyron until witnesses at Skyline start speaking out publicly on moderated blogs like this one.
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I suppose I am reduced to this one thought, that only the media will solve Kyron’s case. That makes me sad.
DDS has done the “right thing” and imo, had I been in a position to advise her differently- the very wrong things in this case. I say this publicly because I have said this to her. This occurred over a number of years. The DA believes she is a conduit of sorts, regardless of evidence to the contrary.
I agree she is a conduit- to the eventual truth, which had nothing whatsoever to do with her- she was a mild acquaintance/friend who worked in the triangulation path that knew TMH.
B
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I am glad to read that you do believe she did the right thing-
I realize that if you were acting as her criminal lawyer or that of Th you would advise differently, being that you are championing legal and ethical treatment of witnesses and furtherance of correct investigative strategy- and In your astute opinion both are sorely lacking in this particular case I get it.
Even so as you reminded me not so long ago Blink when speaking of De Des motivations and yrs as well, its about doing what is right for Kyron yes work to ensure ethical treatment of witnesses and furtherance of correct investigative strategy- by all means-
Cant that be achieved while advocating full disclosure/ sharing of info /cooperation with the aid of counsel.- Just as De De did? IDK
You wrote:
“I work for one person in this case and that is Kyron Horman, period. The wee-man without a voice will always have the best efforts I can offer in diligence, resources and trust. According to Ms. Spicher, that is one of the reasons she chose me to interview her. It is and was her goal that speaking out would result in the redirection of investigative resources in his case in the hopes he will be found.”
end quote
How is this the wrong thing to do in this case? Obtain counsel AND cooperate?
All De DE had to endure wasnt for nothing and she did not end up arrested nor charged she has been unofficially cleared she is no longer a POI and has accomplished being cleared (if ever she was) as a suspect
(pp) Why would we clear her as a suspect she never was a suspect…
Just as De De was a conduit to the eventual Truth So is TH-
Without THs cooperation and info how can LE be sure to learn the truth The truth Th alone may hold?
DDS cooperated and the truth was revealed – whether she is believed by all or not
A mistaken belief is not evidence.. It Matters not what is believed as She is a free woman never arrested with immunity
Thru it all she has cooperated she has done the right thing for Kyron
De Des goal is closer to being achieved then it would be without her speaking or w/out her cooperation that is LE refocusing and Kyron being found
in addition to this a record exists for all to follow no matter how cold the case gets or what happens in the future ( case handed off to FBI who retires or who dies etc).
If De DE can understand the importance and want only to bring Ky home and refocus the investigation and has done all in her power to cooperate/help with the aid of counsel with this goal in mind…. then why oh why doesnt TH as his Mom understand and follow suit
Has TH put an agenda of self promotion and self preservation over all else unlike De De who you described this way:
“I know that I have ever interviewed a person in an ongoing investigation of a criminal matter with less of a self promotion or preservation agenda in my life” end quote
Blink you have always taught us LE always starts with the family and moves out-
Perhaps it is her silence that prevents them from refocusing….
With Respect and Kindness
Thanks again for sharing yr thoughts
enjoy the weekend
AJMO Peace
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comment-2194298
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/comment-page-3/#comments
Mom 3.0- I don’t know how many different ways I can say the same thing. TMH was anything but silent, for weeks. She certainly paid the price for her efforts to help. Once someone is a suspect, there can be no “cooperation with representation” it waives 5th amendment. Don’t shoot the messenger, that is our system of jurisprudence.
B
correction on Blinks Quote
should read:
“I don’t know that I have ever interviewed a person in an ongoing investigation of a criminal matter with less of a self promotion or preservation agenda in my life.”
My apologies
Peace
I want a reporter to interview the chaperone for Kyron’s tour group, ask some questions, and make a map.
1. When you left Ms. Porter’s classroom, was Kyron with you and the rest of the group?
2. How was the tour group formed? From a predetermined list? Or were kids just grouped together on the fly as they came into the classroom?
3. How many kids were in your tour group? (How many boys, how many girls?)
4. What time did you depart with the group?
5. What was the exact route you took with the group through the school, including approximate times at each location.
6. At what location on that route did you last see Kyron?
7. Describe your exchange with Ms. Porter when you discovered Kyron was not with you.
8. At any point, did you witness Ms. Porter taking a roll call or performing any attendance-like duties?
Then I want to see a map that plots out the route with the approximate time spent in each location. And I want to see a big red X on the map that shows the point on that route where the chaperone last remembers seeing Kyron.
All you need is the chaperone, some paper and pencil, a tape recorder, a school map, and some colored markers.
Has the chaperone been ID ed I must have missed that
Terri has been called a liar so many times I doubt if any thing she would say would help
She should do as her lawyer says IMO.
Kaine has told us a few things Kyron liked Maybe he thinks that’s enough.
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Rose says:
August 1, 2014 at 5:08 am
@3.0.
DDS spoke to the GJ because she was subpoenaed & called.
Terri was not called to testify to the GJ.
Why would she be called to testify seeing as it is well known she would invoke the 5th what could she offer? silence?
You wrote:
wrt “Why wouldnt you speak to LE the DA or to the FBI EVEN if you were granted immunity”
Who was granted immunity?
Not Terri. Not DDS. (yes immunity attaches to what
you are subpoenaed to testify to as long as you are truthful).
Was Rudy?
Hi Rose – I was responding to Cds stance of not uttering a word regardless of an offer if she were TH
RE.Rose says:
August 1, 2014 at 5:27 am
@3.0 wrt to yr comment “the sole person in this position with this knowledge.”
Well, she may know Kyron’s personality, strengths & weaknesses, but from her
silence, I infer she knows ZIP about SZ the male abductor, thus has nothing to contribute re abduction,
and knows too much about bioDad, therefore he should give thanks he was able to silence her.
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Respectfully Rose,
Give thanks… Not following you
Kaine has practically begged her to talk… silenced her how? By doing what LE advised protecting his daughter and himself from a perceived threat- by divorcing her… what?
No one knows if she knows ZIP about SZ- She may not even know she knows as she was there(school) and may have seen him or encountered him in the past- and much like RSE & Ths oversight/ lack of remembrance.. during that time period when she was giving her input perhaps she was at first unable to recall such a chance encounter w SZ or a pertinent detail that may help…
–we can not know for certain if SZ was the abductor or if it was the creepy man or other such unknown person…we cant even know for certain that little Ky was abducted and did not simply wander off grounds and some horrible fate befell him etc
NO ONE not even TH can know if she has anything important to contribute re the disappearance re SZ re an abduction- Some small unshared detail she may have could be the key WE cant know can we?
Still she does know a great deal about Kyron and his life family school etc which makes her cont input just as if not more crucial than the bios… no inference needed
You wrote
this Mark Meet The Body fundraiser makes me think not only of Kyron, but James.
A handsome, masculine boy, James was yet outside Kaine’s & the Edge’s Ideal Male Sculpted Bod.
How does that hurt a male teen son’s self esteem that he can never be what (pseudo)Dad values?
Imo it’s wonderful Terri sent James away.
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- KIM youre talking about two boys who grew up with Terri who seemed to have the same values
She was a Championship body builder- It seems at that time she had far more muscles than kaine and most men put together…. She was an avid track runner- with a coach for a dad…a woman IIRC who raved about her benching/pinning and arm wrestling abilities to MC
A woman who was a member of the same gym Kaine was- who married Kaine and therefore seems to have appreciated kaines physique.
And Honestly What they can Never be? If Ky or James so chose with hard work they too had the very same chance to achieve much the same physique. Many champions have done the same and without the aid of steroids – many people have success stories who were once slight of build or called “scrawny” “sickly” who were bullied and then worked out- think Lou Ferigno
AJMO Peace
Good idea Seeker. Since only Ms Porter knows the name of that chaperone (maybe if she ever did, I can see her just putting kids with “a parent”), I suppose the best route to that for any reporter to take in 2010 was to borrow Tanner’s home’s parent directory & xerox it. Then go in person, say in early evening, to chat up each home (you get farther in person imo) until you identify which kids were in his group, and which parents volunteered that day in his room. Idk who besides Tanner’s GM would let a reporter copy that book. In fact though one could just phone screenshoot his classes’ page, but I’d go for a xerox of the whole thing. This is kind of work that Syracuse reporter did. I wouldn’t put it past Pitkin tp have scored a copy.
Seeker, all good questions. I’ve always figured that the chaperone for Kyron’s group was one of the older students. If they were 13 back then, they’ll soon be approaching emancipation age. Maybe that person would come forward on their own some day.
Question came to me about this chaperone. We know that the school staff lawyered up quickly. (I’m guessing Porter may well be represented by her own brother.) Would the chaperone be represented by an attorney for the school as well? Could explain why there’s no talking from this person even though they are not officially a school employee. If Kyron was in a chaperoned group when he was in Ms. Mathews classroom, where was his chaperone? Why would SZ ask Mathews for permission, instead of the chaperone? Because chaperone was a child? IDK just more questions than answers.
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Also speaking about Terri Horman not talking to LE. We all know she did for hours and days and weeks, until the failed sting and she retained her attorney. So IMO there’s no question about that, however, Mr. Horman had attorneys advising him from day 2. Maybe day 1 for all we know. Is it possible Mr. Horman has been the one who was not forthcoming on everything, because it’s possible his Intel attorneys or other attorneys, were advising him to be silent about certain aspects of his life. You betcha, it’s possible. Why does anyone think KH kicked out the press and wanted only team players who would not ask him certain questions. Interviews scripted. The man was obviously protecting someone, maybe just himself, maybe others.
If there’s a connection between this gym steroid BS and KH & LE &&&&& INTEL, or maybe even higher-up government officials or how about sports teams? Who knows where the steroid trail would lead to?
Someone needs to start talking for the sake of a little boy lost in all this mess, and IMHO, it isn’t Terri. She already did, and look where it got her.
What I just don’t get is why the locals up there are so content with this investigation. Heck, I don’t understand why KH is, nor do I understand his continued fundraising for an organization that has done nothing to help find his son.
Rose says:
August 2, 2014 at 10:47 am
Good idea Seeker. Since only Ms Porter knows the name of that chaperone (maybe if she ever did, I can see her just putting kids with “a parent”), I suppose the best route to that for any reporter to take in 2010 was to borrow Tanner’s home’s parent directory & xerox it. Then go in person, say in early evening, to chat up each home (you get farther in person imo) until you identify which kids were in his group, and which parents volunteered that day in his room. Idk who besides Tanner’s GM would let a reporter copy that book. In fact though one could just phone screenshoot his classes’ page, but I’d go for a xerox of the whole thing. This is kind of work that Syracuse reporter did. I wouldn’t put it past Pitkin tp have scored a copy.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-109/#comment-2227455
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@Rose,
Does such a book exist? My children’s schools do not publish any directory. I would not appreciate having my address and telephone number in a directory for the whole school.
I have a copy, it exists.
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erose says:
August 1, 2014 at 2:00 am
raceyrin, Do you think that the cover up in Kyron’s case is because of bad police work or motivated by corruption (such as steroids)?
Hi Erose,
In the very beginning I admit I bought into all of LEs tactics because how could there be such a large conspiracy by the men in blue against an unknown house wife , it didn’t make sense. As the years went by and not one of their theories were being proved , I thought maybe they were still keeping info close to their chest to make the link to SZ and recover Kyron. Now , in light of Heidi Allen’s case and the general feeling back then that something was not right with the conviction and the disregard to look at anyone else, rumors and whispers in dark corners are coming to fruition . In my opinion, there is a cover up into Kyrons case and Steroids may be just the tip of the iceburg. I don’t believe it is just to coverup bad police work as they came up with elaborate plans to incriminate TMH . Why not even admit a SZ after all these years? Why not let Rudy talk or any of the school witnesses? Just who are they protecting? Not Kyron and certainly not any future victims.
@Bumble. all privates I know of distribute household directories which are by class on el ed & by grade
in publics middle-HS to every household. On privates can be in older years by advisor or homeroom.
All publics I know of distribute free to all pta members & sell to nonpta members
or household xtras. Generally, publics sell ads. Parents & parent Alums who are like Realtors
buy ads to support the scho , or local ins agent types, or printers say, maybe local landscape
businesses–whoever sells services to the pta too. There is a disclaimer it cannot be used
by parents or vendors for commercial purposes, mail lists, etc. I had that violated
by an insurance agent parent in my HS & marched in in person to get off the company mail list.
This classroom household Directory is the First Thing any reporter should have copied
from any friend of a friend in Skyline. And of course Kaine had one. And I hope Terri took hers. And Desiree had one if she cared to buy or order it.
@Blink. Hehe. I thought you did.
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Yes I too noticed the “cash only” for KH Fdtn donations. Beyond weird,
I guess that means Kaine does not have on site credit card processing capability—also weird
because every tom dick & harry street market (including a rural NY farmers market I just went to)
has credit transactions done by little one person merchants done on the phones or ipads
where you sign with your finger. And why would anyone worry a donation check would bounce?
btw if he does not have weekend Fair, booth site-based ipad or iphone credit card capability for the hot road racing & hot bod fundraisers, which I have seen nontech average iq 1-man vendors have, imo he’s not serious about the Foundation, & it’s a PR vehicle.
Rose says:
July 31, 2014 at 1:50 am
As my deceased Southern aunts would say, “Well I never.” Or, maybe “Lordy Mercy.”
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My guess is that because they are giving a light training session – provided by Mark Coleman, that would be
a service provided in lieu of a receipt for a donation. IOW – a service for a fee rather than a donation – but the $$$ goes to KHF.
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@raceyrin. wrt “I don’t believe it is just to coverup bad police work as they came up with elaborate plans to incriminate TMH .” I agree, tho I think the CoverUp(s)’ Commander in Chief(s) benefitted from the caliber & inexperience & incompetence of mcso and built upon same. My theorized “Conviction at any Cost” Candidate in Chief is Shrunk, nobly aided by Frink, for no more reason than PR with an effectual conviction regardless of who could fill the conviction candidate’s shoes. Just happened to be Terri in this case. Imo the new Innocence Project Director should set his interns to review all of Shrunk’s felony convictions back to his first election.
Speaking of lists, wouldn’t it be interesting to have a copy of the gym membership lists from both the 24-hour and the xtreme edge from 2010?
Would also like to see one from the time of TMH’s alleged steroid phone call to LE. I’m guessing LE does have one, or I guess I should say they should have one, since Kyron spent a lot of time there. That is, of course unless they didn’t get around to asking for it, until it was accidentally purged, like the school’s records were.
@T. Ruth says:
August 2, 2014 at 12:21 pm
T. Ruth, my personal opinion is that the chaperone was an adult. TP referred to the chaperone as a “substitute”. I just don’t think he would have used that term for a minor. I think “substitute” is a term a child would use to describe an adult because they are used to using the term “substitute teacher” in regard to an adult who fills in for their regular teacher.
Regarding legal representation, my thoughts are: This was a school function, on school property, during regular school hours. The chaperone was acting as an agent of the school at the behest of a teacher, which would seemingly expose PPS to liability for any actions or negligence by the chaperone. The chaperone would be under no obligation to be represented by PPS attorneys, and I think it would be very foolish for the chaperone to not have independent counsel.
I’m just so tired of the reporters saying Terri was the last person to see Kyron. If he was put into a tour group, that can’t possibly be true.
Q ….
Did Desiree join the PTA during Kyron’s tenure?
Ever?
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