Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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Well, Terri IS Kyron’s mother – in every way that counts. It seems like she really paid more attention to him than his bios, probably loved him more.
Sperm and eggs don’t make parents. Babies yes, but loving parents – well, just look at this situation.
I also am always hoping Kyron will be found alive.
#NelMel says: August 7, 2014 at 10:41 pm
@VW I doubt there will be any big change let me know If DY speaks
But when Terri said calmly. I love my son and want him home. It was like the whole sky lit up with
Fireworks I was screaming. Yes yes Yes
They heard her voice. Just like they had been demanding for 4 yrs
@3.0. I didn’t listen to the Finding part of the audio but I understand the public inyerest factor PJ cited as grounds for denial were not those you enumerated. He cited the Investigation as the public interest factor.
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So in his decision he established judicial proof of the impact of MCSO & DA public position on TH continuing to
affect her in a simple name change civic right, employability & death threats.
He also established the harassment by media–following her filming on the street (HCrater provided a video of news videographers doing so), and of the Bernsteins of the press contuining to write articles about small things to alert HCrater as to her activities & whereabouts (ie the nane change). btw I do not think any press keeps tabs on Terri & would not have known about the prospective name change unless a General or Soldier emailed her with the nonstory story.
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The Roseburg “witness” stated she keeps a car trunk full of fliers she has torn down. Those were her “papers.”
I can’t help but free associate her car trunk to a womb. Perhaps the issue is not her father, but an issue related to
a need for an idealized son. imo she will never let Kyron out of that car trunk. I think the Douglas County Sheriff should long ago have sent a deputy for a friendly informal chat with her.
World Soldiers site owner, who testified against Terri, has twice asked readers to go give cash to Kaine at the Edge, without objection from his attorney. I guess Engel is not a member of this FB site. Did anyone verify (second dource) he is a member of the private Roseburg Supports page ? (same FB group owner iirc)
Sounds like a 3rd party to me
B
OT – I, and alot of women I know between the ages of 40-55 suffer from anxiety/depression issues, which often times seems to lead to insomnia, or insomnia resulting in anxiety/depression….a viscious cycle. Been there, done that and on very bad days felt like running away forever. It’s horrible. The SSRI drugs helped me tremedously, and there is no shame in taking them, contrary to the beliefs of my parents generation. Carry on…..
Rose says:
August 8, 2014 at 4:01 am
imo she will never let Kyron out of that car trunk
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Rose you are certainly a wonder…what a profound statement in so many possible ways….it gives me chills.
O/T….Blink we are going to have to take your bike away if you don’t stop trying to get to know the nature around you better while peddling home, snakes and ground alike.
LOL, confession, I screamed out loud like a pansy.
B
As it seems that TMH’s name change petition never stood a chance, and as she went forward with it with another purpose in mind (although seemingly with a very remote chance that it WOULD have been approved?), what is the risk she took overall?
She spoke in court, under oath, for the first time since Kyron’s abduction.
How does that affect what Houze had previously said in the custody hearings long ago (as long ago as 2010?) — that IF she testified, she would plead the 5th?
She has not technically pleaded the 5th yet. Right? I don’t recall that she ever did. Just that Houze said that she would…¨if.¨
She has now come out of the forest and spoken, however briefly, and not in a court addressing Kyron’s case.
Did she just waive her 5th rights?
She pled the 5th in her Engel deposition, other than that, to my knowledge, no.
In no way did she waive in this hearing.
B
Thank you Mom 3.0 for the actual law. I feel slightly better about having voted for Judge Garrison now, just slightly. I do not think he should have allowed those witch-hunters to speak “as the voice of Kyron”, though. They do not have that right and neither do I. IMO, they should have spoken only to how her name change would affect themselves. Otherwise they’re speaking out their butts. JMO
Judge and Terri discussed her DUI, he asked her if she had completed what was required of her in that regard, and the answer was yes. So he had no issues there. Asked if she had debts, she said none, so no issues there.
Thing is she’s never been indicted or even named a suspect by LE in either the MFH or Ky’s disappearance. So, legally, I’m not sure if that can or should even be considered here, under the law. But, I don’t know. Laws are written in hopes not to have such gray areas, but as we know, because LE has attempted to try her outside the courtroom, in the court of public opinion, which makes this case highly unusual. So under the law, does the public opinion matter when a person hasn’t been indicted or arrested for anything? I don’t know, but I’m thinking it should not.
I do know, that Houze already knew the law. After reading, I think Blink and others here are right, this was planned to prove exactly what TMH will need when she sues down the road for violation of her rights.
We shall see. Thanks again, for finding the law.
I hadn’t seen this information elsewhere, so thought I’d share:
The local Roseburg Paper:
http://www.nrtoday.com/news/12475228-113/horman-terri-kyron-hasn
(snips, more @link)
The protestors, who each took turns testifying, wore T-shirts that read, “Where is Kyron, Terri Moulton-Horman? AKA Claire Stella Sullivan. We know you know!”
(snip)
After the hearing, Douglas County sheriff’s deputies escorted Terri Horman out of the courthouse.
The four protestors met her in the fourth floor lobby. They held a large picture of Kyron and repeatedly asked, “Where’s Kyron, Terri?
Where is he?”
Terri Horman did not comment.
The group, and members of the media, followed Terri Horman out of the courthouse to a car parked out front. One of the women shouted “child killer” as she left in her vehicle.
Green said after that she felt “accomplished.”
“We were just sitting there preparing that he was going to grant it,” she said. “That was like a dream come true.”
All of the women said, “It was a win for Kyron.”
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Another local story, with a current photo.
http://www.541radio.com/pages/19594553.php?
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I find it interesting there is no mention of the alleged MFH here.
So, thinking about this judge’s denial. Perhaps the law should simply have this added to it: A person cannot change their name if they are considered a person of interest in an ongoing investigation.
That would cover it, I guess. Which makes me wonder about the 60 POI’s in this case. We don’t know if they have yet to clear the other 59. I would assume at least some have been by now, but LE has not told us as much. So will all the other POI’s be denied the right to a name change as well? What else will they be denied as Terri has. The right to see their children? The right to be employable?
What a mess this case is!
These are the things Terri said under oath in regard the disappearance of Kyron:
She later took the stand again and said “these people are completely and utterly misinformed” and that the women had “malicious intent.”
“I love my son. I want him found more than anything,” Terri Horman said.
She said her Portland defense attorney, Stephen Houze, who was not present, has proof she was not the last person to see Kyron but declined to answer further questions about the case without her lawyer.
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I think the first statement is an important one, because of who has been informing them.
Agreed, but honestly, I think this crew could be presented with a video of that happened exonerating TMH and they wouldn’t change their opinion. I am not saying that everyone that thinks TMH is involved is ignorant, I am simply saying I find these ladies extremely ignorant in their commentary and behavior. Stacey Green is 34? I find that hard to believe.
B
ok, can I reach you at this email?
B
My opinion is more than 4 TShirts with AKA new name were ordered based on that stated Soldier belief the change would be granted. Of interest to me, as these volunteers are poor & Stacey gives Desiree say $20/mo, is whether the Davidson girls’ gofundme discretionary funds paid for the shirt order.
Also if all 4 arrived in the same shirt, that is a sure indicia of conspiracy, 2 of whom crossed a State line.
Seems like Kaine benefits from the antiTerri hate speech Groups’ FB Administrators repeatedlyadvertising his Kyron events to generate foot traffic for him & cash, yet he wants to claim arms length if not no contact. Without documenting attempts by his attorney to stop these sites’ cash solicitations for Kaine using his own Event printed posters, I think he’s got a problem.
I just watched the u-tube video. It has the shots of what happened out side by the the car edited out
I was sorry to see that however what is left Does show these ladies to be just as Terri said uninformed
They insist she has been on sites on the internet but gave no proof The site Trashy’ s. Too. Is not Terri
I offer no proof. But the site is geared toward humor Not to be taken to seriously. I have not seen any sign of threats From the owner. Jokes yes So far I have not seen children pics on this site If you like humor
It is enjoyable The owner does not push for likes Or try to sell her view As she says this is not the Terri Horman Page
The truth as I see it is none of us should spend a large amount of time on the internet It does twist the mind
IMO
With the exception of Briana who was around age 13 in 2010 and is now 17 A pretty child who should be uninvolved
And having fun at her age
The others are human and some thing has happened to cause all this bitterness and hate Not the missing
Kyron case
IMO
@First time poster
I remember those years you are talking about very well Over 70 now Life is back to many joys
As you said Carry on
@Rose
What is this cash donations about. Is this just this just about the thing coming up or all donations
@Truth. The MFH is dead. The divorce/custody “plea deal” = Rudy not chanelling Bobby vs. Visitation leading to more.
It is only Maxine that keepsplugging it. For 2 reasons, IMO.
1. Fluff – make her article seem to refect a different bent than what Kyle sent her.
2. To plug THE article that gave her Bhatia’s kudos and some national attention.
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Anyone looking at this?
162.065¹
Perjury
(1) A person commits the crime of perjury if the person makes a false sworn statement in regard to a material issue, knowing it to be false.
(2) Perjury is a Class C felony. [1971 c.743 §183]
I’ll have to look up Class C felonies and penalties. But what if the three stooges (i’m going to refer henceforth to 3 cuz one is still a minor) were covering up for DY and/or KY ‘sending’ them)?
Why, IOW, did the Judge even ask them that question?
@NelMel/Blink #6
I was not shocked that TMH stated what she did, and behaved the way she did in court. She kept her cool, would not engage the haters, and yet gave the public a statement.
That the papers/Olive didn’t lead with that statement shows just how entrenched in the “team player” syndrome they still are. Or how little they feel their general audience cares. Or how little researched and knowledgable to cover this case they are. Again, KGW and Kyle are the exception these days.
Maxine, btw, was prolly headed to Seaside to do the story on the Sheriff there.
I’m pretty convinced that TMH is going to eventually go for more than visitation of Kiara. And that this little
exhibition by those buffoons will come back to haunt them.
@Malty
“Fireworks I was screaming. Yes yes Yes
They heard her voice. Just like they had been demanding for 4 yrs.”
YES. YES. Go ahead…try to unname her. But her voice is soft, firm, and strong.
Rose says:
August 7, 2014 at 12:25 am
@vw. a lay opinion only re “The standard for a Name change proceeding is that your name change needs to be in the public interest.”
He made that up.
LOL. I do that sometimes, but I don’t have a gavel and I am rarely if ever aware that I do it.
B
Yep…Rofl…first thought, too. “What does that actually MEAN?” except that you got a call?
@vw. “Getting a call” — maybe another Lewis & Clark alum of a certain generation — would explain PJ taking over the Hearing from the assigned judge. New word — how Kantoresque. (after the manner of a judicial
Burlesque). Idk if Court reporters are usually present for bane changes. Is it possible that like a depo one has to hire one? If there was not one present, that would be too bad.
@vw. I guess the theory about weekend visitation
will be k is not safe hanging
out at cash fundraisers with Kaine & his latest
paramour due to his online associates who
market events & attend & fawn on her. In my opinion, unless it
involves make body bldg hunks or male-oriented hot rod shows,
I don’t think KH will keep up weekend appearances.
@Malty. That caveat is placed on publicity by the Event sponsor for this specific event.
Therefore KH has no control or culpability unless one established he asked Briede to add that line.
Based on the quality & detail of his only public (& probably only filed IRS990, as rules eased
under OBama), imo he merely wants to minimize bookkeeping. However, I’ve seen the 990s of a small horse
rescue op which were incredibly detailed. So it can easily be done right in a small 1 person Foundation.
I suppose offloading Terri ensured no bustling noses in that business.
On the other hand, cash only at a male body bldg event at a gymn can launder all kinds of business imo.
The puzzle is whether “cash only” is for the recipient Foundation’s interests or
individual givers’ interests. That is, might not be a gift but guised remuneration.
Imo most Foundations prefer card or cash (cards can be done on ipads)
because the donor information
(mail list, marketing) is more useful
than a 1 time event donation.
KP moved to K-1. http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/160.htm
Perhaps State Report card grade results dictated placement in
a new niche. So k has a 33% chance Kyron’s negligent teacher will
introduce her to the 3 Rs in her first K-1 assignment.
Think Houze and TMH played the haters this week. Hope the Stacy’s, Vernice, et al are ready.
True dat yo. They will never be. Any possible observation or theory I could offer in that regard brings the full moon to these very troubled ilk. I wish them peace and clarity.
B
RE Rose-
Rose says:
August 8, 2014 at 4:01 am
@3.0. I didn’t listen to the Finding part of the audio but I understand the public inyerest factor PJ cited as grounds for denial were not those you enumerated. He cited the Investigation as the public interest factor.
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Yes you could be right His fnal decision seems to underscore yr feelings but still the investigation would be part of the legal def of Public interest..
…You are correct in that he spoke directly to the disappearance and basically ths embracing of the 5th- in his decision- this is what I believe Amys sister once spoke of- the right to embrace the 5th does not come without consequences..
As I said I dont necessarily think it was “fair” but what else could be done in this situation?
No One can say what happened or who is or is not involved
as the judge said PP some think you had nothing to do with this others feel differently
Without a response what could be done?
Obviously Th could speak about Kyron and the case… she chose to on the stand she said Kyron is missing He needs be found. I love my son. I want him found more than anything
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Could she not have went further? she was sure to say that PP Houze is my lawyer he stated recently in cort he has witnesses and other to show she wasnt the last to see Kyron.
but she didnt want to answer any follow up questions regarding anything to do with Kyron or the case-
I understand her choice to the fifth not to self incriminate…but having made that choice she had to realize it may have had an effect on the judges decision. How could it not?
RE Truth
You are most welcome
The witnesses were allowed to speak because they are citizens who chose to take up their right to object- whether we think they were inarticulate misinformed (for the most part) witch hunters or not- they have that right under the law to speak same as TH has the right to the 5th-
- For me a great deal of what they said and how they said it had me rooting for Th and slapping my forehead in disbelief and dismay at the idiocracy- and that SGr scares me so I totally understand Ths POV there without a doubt.
I dont think they should be the voice of Kyron or the voice for any army and they are certainly not my voice
But truthfully despite it all they did manage to make some points
If the judge did not take into account all the concerns of the questionnaire into his decision he should have- IMO
The no contact order- the child support the DUI/ w Child endangerment etc should have weighed into it- and seemed to during the question answer session with TH.
IMO those judgements matter IRT the public interest-
Still I went back and took the time to transcribe the court session and in truth- I can certainly see how those who listen solely to the judges decision without hearing the rest of the hearing can come way thinking this Judge did not take all matters into consideration and in fct at one point he seems to go against his own thoughts/disagreement when handing down his final decision..
Perhaps he is not the most articulate or thorough when it comes to the summation of his final thoughts/ decisions??
IDk
ill post the transcription if Blink oks it being that it was an hr long it will be quite lengthy though
Let me know if you want me too or not Blink
AJMO Peace
Mom 3.0- I would prefer you email it to me so I can verify it’s accuracy please, however, I want to make one point about this “public interest”.
If TMH legal name change is INCONSISTENT with the public interest, as declared by the Judge as an open investigation so therefore the “public is interested” er go she must remain the very well known subject of same- then can someone tell me how the details of that investigation in every way are not pursuant to public interest, which would be consistent with Garrison’s ruling??
So MCSO says it is not subject to public disclosure, in essence Garrison says hold your houzes.. it sure is.
Yep, this was a recon mission, I stand behind that 100%.
B
http://www.kezi.com/former-stepmom-seeks-name-change/
Desiree did speak publically in a print interview & iirc the Faithful4
used her words in this article at trial.
Rose, I believe that was a snippet borrowed from news 12 interview when DY initially found out about the name change from the news. I have not seen her speak publicly about the hearing or it’s outcome.
B
Anyone know if PJ id currently double-dipping? Douglas County can show it has a need?
Smacks of Judge M.
@Blink. right, that was prior to the hearing when the application was announced.
However Desiree’s statement is the content the witnesses have stated in their
blogs since then & when testifying.
@3.0. wrt “Perhaps he is not the most articulate or thorough when it comes to the summation of his final thoughts/ decisions??”
He is the Presiding Judge of the County.
Goodness help County residents–and the Appeals Court–
if he doesn’t understand his decisions must accurately articulate both law and fact.
I will email you Mom3.0, I believe you may have the pre-move addy. Thank you for trying.
B
Blink wrote:
If TMH legal name change is INCONSISTENT with the public interest, as declared by the Judge as an open investigation so therefore the “public is interested” er go she must remain the very well known subject of same- then can someone tell me how the details of that investigation in every way are not pursuant to public interest, which would be consistent with Garrison’s ruling??
I dont know Blink- the way the judge seemed to utilize the word “publicS interest” in his final decision that being the publics very interested…. it does call into concern yr Questions
You wrote:
So MCSO says it is not subject to public disclosure, in essence Garrison says hold your houzes.. it sure is.
I agree as the judge said PP it was retribution to withhold a name change until she talked or until the case was solved but then did just that with his decision so I am at a loss- IMO there was enough to support the legal def of public interest to deny with just the No contact order child support matter and past criminal record..
So I have no idea why he felt the need to decide it that way.
I agree with you IOW- if “Public Interest” means what he says then
the details of that investigation are pursuant to public interest, which would be consistent with Garrison’s ruling it seems
You wrote:
Yep, this was a recon mission, I stand behind that 100%.
B
I wouldnt doubt it Blink.
AJMO Peace
The Utube version has been edited if anybody cares
Silence from DY puzzles me but it is just as well
The sooner DY makes a break from this group the better IMO
Attention
I emailed you its in 6 parts- sorry about that.
BTW I used this link for the audio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj-DyZWzmFY&feature=youtu.be
Hugs
Mom3.0, if this was your interpretation of the audio as a transcript, you did a great job, but I can only use an official transcript that has been entered. I have a call into the clerk, I just know it has not been transcribed yet.
Thanks for your efforts, however xoxo
B
SuzieQ says:
August 9, 2014 at 1:36 am
Think Houze and TMH played the haters this week. Hope the Stacy’s, Vernice, et al are ready.
True dat yo. They will never be. Any possible observation or theory I could offer in that regard brings the full moon to these very troubled ilk. I wish them peace and clarity.
B
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I wish them peace and therapy.
Some are posting ie in OLive about the likelihood Desiree’s present persecution of TH is related to Kaine’s activity with Terri while married to Desiree. And, in fact on DrPhil Desiree pointed out his recent apology. However her postabduction vendetta insofar as jealousy is a cause relates imo to her knowledge Kyron has in practice in daily life been Terri’s son. From his early age imo Terri was the primary psychological mother. Therefore k’s parenting by a residential paramour is Desiree’s sweetest retribution.
Brilliant!! Any guess on the venue and the manner in which it will be presented?
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If TMH legal name change is INCONSISTENT with the public interest, as declared by the Judge as an open investigation so therefore the “public is interested” er go she must remain the very well known subject of same- then can someone tell me how the details of that investigation in every way are not pursuant to public interest, which would be consistent with Garrison’s ruling??
No guesses really, just firm in that opinion.
B
So MCSO says it is not subject to public disclosure, in essence Garrison says hold your houzes.. it sure is.
Yep, this was a recon mission, I stand behind that 100%.
B
Self correction. Just like Terri to k from 0-18 months, Desiree was the primary mother to Kyron in infancy. However,
events switched that role from Desiree to Terri. (same thing has happened to Terri with k). Imo Desiree’s
greatest vendetta motivator is not her old relationship with Kaine but the mother role Terri played in Kyron’s life.
This explains the early Friday morning gym visit:
there is a MWF 5:45 am “boot camp” which appealed to a small group of regulars
(the ones mentioning in yelp are male).
http://m.yelp.ca/biz/the-xtreme-edge-gym-beaverton
More readable are the 31 “other” reviews, tag line at bottom of page.
@SusieQ. I wish peace to Kyron
and (competent) therapy to Desiree.
@Malty. remember Desiree’s primary
communication format has bern a
private email list to her volunteers.
Doubt it’s silent.
Want to make it clear I did not say that the fab 4 did not have the right to be there and speak. IMO, they should not have been allowed to speak as “the voice of Kyron”, which they indicated they were doing.
IMO whatever testimony they were allowed to give, should have been in relation to what affect Terri Horman’s name change had upon themselves only, otherwise whatever they were saying was BS and there is no way TMH should have been even asked to respond to such.
Because they are not detectives involved in the case, whatever opinion they have about the name change and it’s affect on the case is a mute point. We all have opinions about the case, that doesn’t mean they are accurate. Judge should have stopped them in their tracks, by asking each of them a simple question, How does TMH’s request for a name change affect you personally? (e.g. is she indebted to you in some way or another? is she trying to use your name as her new name?, or is it because you have to get new T-shirts printed? or maybe you have to make up new fliers that say “where is Kyron, Claire?”) IOW, letting them go on about Kyron, whom they don’t even personally know, and worse, letting them speak “as the voice of Kyron” was not a professional thing to do. This is where I think RG failed in his duties as a Judge. JMO
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@SuzieQ says:
August 9, 2014 at 9:31 pm
LMAO. Almost spit my coffee out.
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August 9, 2014 at 4:19 am
Blink says:
If TMH legal name change is INCONSISTENT with the public interest, as declared by the Judge as an open investigation so therefore the “public is interested” er go she must remain the very well known subject of same- then can someone tell me how the details of that investigation in every way are not pursuant to public interest, which would be consistent with Garrison’s ruling??
So MCSO says it is not subject to public disclosure, in essence Garrison says hold your houzes.. it sure is.
Yep, this was a recon mission, I stand behind that 100%.
B
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Oh my, what doors did this open? FOIA?
O/T
Teen arrested in 6-year-old Washington girl’s death
17-year-old to be booked on charges of rape, manslaughter and murder
(snipped)
The boy was arrested without incident by deputies and FBI agents at his home in the same Bremerton-area mobile home park, Kitsap County sheriff’s Detective Earl Smith said at a news conference.
The Washington state crime lab made positive confirmation of the suspect through forensic evidence. Earlier in the week, the sheriff’s office had collected DNA cheek swabs from dozens of nearby residents.
Smith said Saturday that the boy was being interviewed and will be booked with second-degree murder, manslaughter and rape in the girl’s death.
The FBI’s Specialty Search Dogs Unit discovered the body of Jenise Wright on Thursday amid thick brush in a wooded area near the trailer park. Volunteer canine search teams had previously reported that their dogs had showed interest in a particular area.
http://koin.com/2014/08/09/teen-arrested-in-6-year-old-washington-girls-death/
RIP little one.
Wonder why they did not release the perp’s name. Would not this result in a trial as an adult in WA?
Does anyone recall if these special “FBI Specialty Search Dogs Unit” was used to search for Kyron? I know their were search dogs, just wondering if they were FBI?
Rose says:
August 10, 2014 at 10:17 am
@SusieQ. I wish peace to Kyron
and (competent) therapy to Desiree.
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Me too Rose, but reality is that the Stacy’s, Vernice and the daughter (who has no business getting dragged into this by SG), are all following this case, as many of us are, BECAUSE we have some history of trauma. What it comes down to me is that there are problem solvers, people who have dealt with their trauma – and I think that is most of those here – and then there are those who haven’t dealt with it and are still feeling guilty or hurt and they are choosing to deflect their pain on someone else. Pretty classic psychology 101.
Would be nice to have a competent therapist weigh in here on the Fab 4 and the way Garrison handled this hearing.
Respectfully, no therapist is weighing in on that. I get your sentiment, but have to keep the standards. xoxox
B