Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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And another thing I do not believe the only option is to work to 6pm
I was. a single mom You have to make changes
And I am even more concerned about Kiara as these stories come out What is her future ?
Blink Any in put?
Yep Malty- quite a bit in upcoming posts my dear lady.
B
So in fact hatebook pages of Stalker Stacey and Soldiers may have gotten new mommie’s details about kiara’s haircut & vacation not directly from new mommie but from James, with whom they tried to form an alliance & to whom they claim to have talked to on the street for 2 hours. One needs to cross check James’ first visit to not-Daddy’s home (the one who estranged him from adoptive dad yet held him to monthly money) with the first appearance of details about kiara’s activities with new mommy on her hate pp. If these can be correlated, Kaine can be deposed in a new proceeding (civil tort stalking, Soldiers) about his behavior in concert with Stacey imo. Imagine swearing Terri’s son to secrecy from Mother but not from her Stalker. That would be sociopathic imo.
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Terri does not need to be in Portland for Bunch to submit a changed circumstances petition and ask for a new eval by a government agency. The Calif home study of Terri would be conducted by a Calif govt agency in accord with the Interstate compact. Kantor has to order a new home study of both tho. Conveniently perhaps in the same County, that worker could look at KM’s social/family history too.
What Kaine did was put James’ credibility in the toilet for the civil trial Desiree was trying to conduct, and her attorney probably told her so.
Rose- you may know better than I, and please correct me if I am incorrect- but as of now, BabyK is a primary resident of OR with a standing RO against direct contact from her Mother. I do not believe TH would have any standing right now to even hint at change of circs for jurisdiction and the Interstate compact will only adopt a foreign decree- jurisdiction would stay where it is, am I wrong?
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@Rose. This whole situation is not good One child missing Another told her mom was dead and now an older child used
A child and mother living in the same home Who dose not seem to realize She needs to protect her own child from the unknown and known
I feel very upset
It certainly goes to lengths one will go in a divorce. It is a current and unfortunate side effect of an unsolved missing child case neither parent is willing to escalate effectively.
B
Blink, Can you lay out why you believe Mr H uninvolved in the disappearance of his son?
With this new info, if true, wrt James, imo a Powell level of personality disorder should be considered.
Such nonparental seduction (for that is what it was) of James whilst masquerading in a parent role, given
Desiree’s suit & need for credible testimony from James if asverse to Terri, shows imo callous disregard
for Desiree’s interests, aside from James’ mothers. The latter I could accept if Kaine waited to age
18 to reconnect, but not the former. And if he reconnected and was on the up and up, there was absolutely no need fir secrecy. Heck, he coukd’ve invited James to live with him if he cared. Helped him go to community college like Kristian did. Imo the best explanation for husbsecrecy was so Terri didn’t tell James more about Kaine that she’d protected James from. So why Blink do you give Mr H a pass?
Very simply Rose- I have never seen a scintilla of evidence that he was involved in the disappearance of his son. I have given no passes- I think it is possible his past involvements with the selling and using of illegal drugs could be at play. But the same MIGHT be true in different scenarios for TH- and again, I have never seen a snit of compelling evidence she was involved- and in fact, quite the contrary from an analyst perspective. But I have never seen any evidence that any parent is connected to SZ- who as far as I know, is the only confirmed individual to be seen with Kyron exiting the school June 4th 2010. Can the behaviors of the bios and the parents contribute to a crime like this? Of course. But blaming anyone from my perspective is inappropriate without so much as an ID of SZ. I can’t address why it seems that everyone got a LE pass except TH outside of what I have spent ( as have you and other readers and posters)countless hours expressing and reporting here. Well, I can, from what I have seen- pure and egregious LE errors from the first responders, investigators to the DA. That is the only thing I am comfortable stating professionally. They owe this child and his loved ones a new look.
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Terri said she was working on Desiree to remove kyron from the Horman home. Thus us a factor cited by Stalkers to say she hated kyron. In fact, advocacy to Desiree coukd as easily mean she loved him very much and wanted him happy and safe. Anyway, if Kaine became aware of Terri’s efforts, and the possibility of a Court-ordered move to Medford was real in his mind, I do not understand Blink why you consider him insulated from a role in K’s disappearance. In fact from K’s pov, it seems as likely his behavior as Terri’s.
I don’t recall TH ever stating “she was working on Desiree to remove Kyron from the home.” I believe the contrary was true- and as stated by Desiree, TH was supportive of DY spending more time with Kyron. However, I don’t believe there is any evidence to indicate that meant Kyron moving to Medford or any material change in custody. If I were a betting person, I would suggest that TH had concerns that Kyron was exhibiting certain behaviors or mannerisms consistent with requiring closer observations- to rule out ASPY or ADD/ADHD. In my view, she was the best qualified to work with such a diagnosis over anyone else in his life. I do not see someone looking for work in their MS field handing over the child she was the primary caregiver of ( and like it or not whoever is reading this- she was- that is undisputed in court transcripts as well as interviews with his bios)to someone she seemed to respect, but would not agree she possessed the adequate training or perhaps disposition to effectively support Kyron if that were the case.
Somewhat rhetorical- but wouldn’t you agree that most presentations of such an onset in a 7 year old would likely maintain a status quo in his custodial arrangements in this situation- absent any material info we are not aware of?
I would suggest it possible for past or per tem behaviors of TH, DY, KH to influence what happened to Kyron- only from an empirical perspective or because it is reasonable. I can’t draw a circle around it Rose- there is just no firm evidence.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
I like this “But blaming anyone from my perspective is inappropriate without so much as an ID of SZ. ”
I agree. I was not however suggesting “blaming”. I was questioning why you ***ruled out *** KH specifically.
(the opposite of blaming)
It seems to me if SZ has not been id’d, he could be an independent actor (imo most probable) or have a nexus (or prime mover tie) to any adult interacting regularly with Kyron, whether one of the 4 parents, a teacher, or other mentor/neighborhood varmit.
& to this:
“Somewhat rhetorical- but wouldn’t you agree that most presentations of such an onset in a 7 year old would likely maintain a status quo in his custodial arrangements in this situation- absent any material info we are not aware of?”
to me, and in the literature, absence seizures are no biggie in the very young and have many etiologies. My own kid’s at age 4-5 (which resolved) was attributed most likely to a viral encephalitis which went undiagnosed (residual cyst seen on mri with contrast, which resolved).
I can’t see any custody implication if medical treatment was obtained.
Kaine’s issue with kiara if KM and her 2 children live with him has zero to do with the girl’s epilipsy and everything to do with has kiara had, and will she have going forward, a stable afterschool adult supervision plan which is in her best interests.
Many families put their kid in daycare 6 am – 6 pm, so that’s not enough to reeval.
And it doesn’t matter. Tgat’s within Dad’s rights. Doesn’t matter if Terri argues the stay at home mom thing.
But telling the original Court evaluator that KM provided home after school care, while she was a spec ed aide at Liberty HS that settlement semester only, and that looked good… but then she changed the next fall to being a student & employee at beautyland such that she arrived home at 6 due to her work and if the reality was the caregivers were her girlz—
well, now one is gone to college, and the other by KM’s own writing doctors have told her should never be left alone.
If KH has had k sewn up in day care til 6 pm since she was 2, and when he travels for work, and that was known to the prior evaluator for the Court, and factored in, imo there is no change.
I just think there’s good evidence from media articles (and the RO) he is untruthful. And now we see duplicitous and exploitative behaviour with James, if true. So why not with the former Evaluator? I bet his eval was based on KM’s 5 month Liberty HS work schedule in spring 2013, not the one since Sept 2014.
I was a 12 yo left home after school until HS graduation by a working mother & was responsible for a female sib 2.5 yrs younger. It was no picnic. It was very forlorn for me, when other girls had mothers at home, and opportunities to play. We girls lived in fear (doors locked, stranger danger, call to check in with mother, don’t tell anyone who calls a parent is not here, blah blah). A loss of childhood for the eldest.
T. Ruth says:
August 10, 2015 at 1:37 pm
@thatkewlgirl says:
August 9, 2015 at 6:39 pm
Does anyone remember if there was anything listed in the divorce doc’s about either party not moving out of state? I don’t recall anything like that, and isn’t that sort of stipulation generally included?
it is- generally outside of 60 miles or one hour of travel- HOWEVER many states require same to file what is called a relocation petition. That is usually on required as a change of circumstances to custody or the parenting time. It is in their stipulation and is required language, yes.
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Desiree lived 273 miles from Kyron. Did she have a relocation petition?
https://www.google.com/#q=milage+portland+oregon+to+medford+oregon
Did not. It should be noted changes to a parenting plan between the residential parent and the non residential parent are by agreement. The last agreement was based on DY transferring Kyron in WA- once a month which was an order- she did not have custody nor did she seek it- therefore no need for a relocation if that is applicable in OR
B
as one who has been there as a child, I suggest if KM’s 2 girls have been kiara’s child care plan since Sept 2014 (when she changed to her present work study profile), and the eldest is leaving for college, or not residentially speaking, that is Stress for the now medically challenged and vulnerable 13 yo and for kiara. Cheaper to pay James to move in as caregiver and go mornings to community college. a lot cheaper than KM, but no side benefits I guess.
Blink, We know most of TH’s alibi, and where she was during the critical time of abduction. Would it help if we knew if KH had a solid alibi?
Here is my reasoning. If he does have an alibi, just as TH does, it does nothing to exclude involvement, just means another was involved. It’s hard to imagine a parent, step or otherwise hiring someone or getting help from someone to abduct their child from a crowded school. But if one can do it, so can the other.
With that logic, we have to consider TY and DY. They might have air tight alibis, but that makes no difference since SZ was not identified as any of the four. Unless EM cannot exclude all four parents, it had to be someone else, and I assume TH and DY were easily excluded by gender. So either all four are subject to have hired an accomplice, or persuaded someone, and should be held to the same standard, or that notion has to be dumped.
We agree erose. Everyone is in till they are out-
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“Rose- you may know better than I, and please correct me if I am incorrect- but as of now, BabyK is a primary resident of OR with a standing RO against direct contact from her Mother. I do not believe TH would have any standing right now to even hint at change of circs for jurisdiction and the Interstate compact will only adopt a foreign decree- jurisdiction would stay where it is, am I wrong?
B”
Thought the RO was gone with the wind, and there was a mutual civil no contact between Mr & his ex, with kiara’s contact regulated by Bell, and Bell alone.
In my day, and god knows if Oregon was even a signatory, the Interstate Compact was between State Depts of Social Services (State DHS’s) such that if a Judge ordered a (FREE!) DHS home study of both parents, and one resided out of State, the home State DHS would enlist thru formal channels (not cumbersome) that out of State (& therefore County) DHS to do the Home Study and send it back. It would be given to the Judge along with the inState parent’s report. Through use of an out of State home study in a custody dispute, I saw children placed out of State with a parent. Imo it happens when parents reside in different States, and a Judge orders home studies to be conducted by State DHS on both parents.
Doesn’t matter where Terri lives.
Only matters where kiara (the subject of the custody dispute and Stipulation) lives imo.
Lay opinions. all could be wrong.
I believe the no contact ( which I erroneously referred to as an RO by not recognizing the individual state acronym) order also encompasses MiniK. Agreed as to jurisdiction- they have already stipulated the primary residential residence. Rose- I can only indicate my experience as it relates to criminal case work and criminal case study- but largely- the “home study” has retreated to the analls of CYS.
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” Malty says:
August 10, 2015 at 2:59 pm
And another thing I do not believe the only option is to work to 6pm
I was. a single mom You have to make changes”
Malty, She’s said online she wants to own her own beauty business. Her choice.
Beats the former Gap sales job. Iirc, haven’r looked lately, her tweets were about
how to engineer a tan and the delight of a bob haircut. Imo if my very young
girl were in the hands of such a residential mentor’s Deep Thoughts, I’d freak out.
NelMel & I would throwing the same pasta, I suspect.
imo just by a lay person
bunch should ask for a Court order for Oregon DHS to do a home study on both Hormans to evaluate Kiara’s daytime child care plan in light of nanny KM’s online information. that way if TH us in another State, OR DHS will ask other State to do hers.
wrt “If I were a betting person, I would suggest that TH had concerns that Kyron was exhibiting certain behaviors or mannerisms consistent with requiring closer observations- to rule out ASPY or ADD/ADHD”
OR she was concerned with seizures and perhaps with fas or fae.
flat midline. indistinct philtrum. thin upper lip. uptilted nose. low set ears.
Without an accurate and honest maternal history of an admittedly
significantly depressed mother, no way to know.
Thus the withdrawing of the civil suit when Judge ruled medical records would come in bilaterally.
B
I think JM has a commitment to the military and it is with benefit if he does well and gets an honorable discharge
Then goes to college as my son did
He should stay away from KH except to see his sister
KH could claim all sorts of things about JM And JM is Terri’s son not Kaines I don’t trust Kaine enough to spent one night under his roof
And that KM better look at how his ex wives were treated and realize she could have a real problem with him if he ever turns on her
I doubt Kaine pays much child care if he did he should get someone highly qualified They are out there
But he gets a girl friend instead
@ Blink. The stipulation specifies the arbiter of mother contact is Bell and Bell only iirc.
Imo she is the Trump of her type, and imo based on online reading only she was
wildly erratic and far from a neutral arbiter in her profession. At the time, I thought she was handpicked by….
There are home studies by govt on Court order, but there can–and often should–be home study updates.
Those re-evals are called Updates. They build on the past but give a snapshot in the present.
In a State (County) govt DHS system an update can be done after a year passes.
Imo Bunch should call for an OR DHS conducted home study update of both parents,
Doesn’t matter if TH is in Calif. A blessing if Calif dhs does her imo, (and looks into same County KM hx.)
Rose says:
August 10, 2015 at 7:47 pm
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OR she was concerned with seizures and perhaps with fas or fae.
flat midline. indistinct philtrum. thin upper lip. uptilted nose. low set ears.
Without an accurate and honest maternal history of an admittedly
significantly depressed mother, no way to know.
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IMO
On the aged enhanced photo’s of KY they move his ears up on his face, make his nose longer and move the eyes closer together it makes the age enhanced drawings not look like Kyron.
http://iconosquare.com/p/999884054459352846_938622080
@Rose
With friendship and respect. Yrs when you and were the oldest child watching sis and bro for the folks
There was no internet. And less communication between the bad guys Usually a neighbor was told to keep an eye out This whole world was a difference place
Still while my folks were out we had a flu fire And scared me Grandma lived across the field so I took the kids there
It was the last time I was ever left in charge My grandparents had a fit at my folks
And they were right. A house full of smoke and me a kid watching kids
Things can happen unexpected
@ CD This site is new to me that you posted I don’t understand it
Or see changed pics
There are so many shady characters in the 4 adults’ lives, SZ could be connected to any, but imo least likely Terri.
Imo numero uno connectivity = Tony’s job.
Secondly imo Desiree & Kaine are in a dead heat for past associates (thinking of her
Wash. connection and his steroids).
Imo what he did with James moreover was narcisstic and detrimental to James’ welfare.
I can hear KH telling ng him, Bobbie O’D tells me he is sure your mom had a hand in this.
And he says she really put a contract on me. James presented as very immature, hanging out with Soldiers. Easy to take advantage of. Shame on Not-Daddy.
Here’s my question for TKG who is in Terri’s confidence, apparently.
How did James & Kaine get in contact?
My surmise is James reached out to Kaine, who returned the call, and James
called Kaine feeling rattled after his depo. (just my fantasy)
imo James & Terri were not getting along before his depo, as she fought it.
That doesn’t nean she’s bad. That is the story of many single parent mother-sons.
she was homeschooling him.
Homeschooling a teen bent on separation & independence is a recipe for mother-son disaster.
One reason I think KM still with Kaine is that the BKH Administrator
recently announced he’d been ruled “not guilty”. By who? after what trial?
By What jury?
If the shoe fits…..
Rose says:
August 10, 2015 at 2:21 pm
I truly believe that “the confusion” about the date of the doctor appointment, came solely from the school. Terri wasn’t confused, but in her response in the email about *they thought I was taking him with Kitty for a Dr. appointment* or whatever she said, tells us right there, that the confusion was started with the school. So the school used that confusion, intentionally or otherwise, to get off the hook. My question is why did KH believe the confusion was *intentionally* caused and created by TMH? And then when Terri adds the part about looking at other exhibits, and says “how do you screw that up?”, is showing me her out-and-out frustration that was going on that day, as the school kept confusing issues. At this point in time I still believe the school used whatever mechanisms they had at their disposal to CYA, and the following week’s dr. appointment fit the bill.
In my mind, that is underscored by the fact that the day before, Kitty HAD a Dr. appt re her ear infection, and it was during that appt ( Kyron was in school) that the appt for the 11th wa. Porter discussing the upcoming appt for Kyron and what the Dr. requested in terms ofs made for Kyron. It is my understanding that when the project was being dropped off in the gym that afternoon, and TH was picking Kyron up, TH had a brief conversation with Msobservations of Kyron from the classroom perspective. It is my belief this was a confused her Porter’s account based on her recollection over 2 very hectic days.
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Malty says:
August 11, 2015 at 6:18 pm
@ CD This site is new to me that you posted I don’t understand it
Or see changed pics
http://iconosquare.com/p/999884054459352846_938622080
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its an age enhanced picture of KY with some Pictures of him before he was taken. When I click on the link it goes right to the picture. I used this picture because that way I didn’t have to post a Facebook URL.
On this we can agree…
August 7 at 12:18pm
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“I am sick of sitting here making excuses on what LE is doing…SHOW US WHAT YOU ARE DOING!! Actions speak louder than words…” Kyron Horman World Soldiers
@TRuth. I appreciate your point.
My point is while Porter claimed confusion, caused by Terri intentionally
or otherwise, Father should never have been confused beyond the
length of a phone call. And with Horman’s oermission, one phone call
would end MCSO’s confusion. And mcso should know that busy teachers claim
confusion about their 25-30 parents’ plans all the time which is why they shoukd always
be in writing. The icing on the cake would be if Terri put the date due on that form.
I need to correct an error on my part. There was no form given to Porter, she was shown (very briefly) literature indicating what info TH needed from her to take to the pediatrician for the apt- which brings up again the area for confusion- she would have had to presume that she was supposed to turn that around overnight. I personally do not believe Porter lied or misconstrued information if she was even sure of it herself. I just know she was told not to speak to anyone about it upon the advice of counsel but she was deposed in the disollution case.
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thatkewlgirl says:
August 9, 2015 at 6:39 pm
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-247/#comments
This insider scoop chronology seems off by 18 months.
A cursory glance online says James both gave his depo and joined the military in Aug 2012. I thought the divorce settled in Dec 2013 18 months later.
@Blink. Does N Grace pay for parent appearances? Soldier Admin is pushing for a Grace show.
Also, Soldier petition for a briefing suggests mcso is not briefing the Davidsons, or has nothing to say.
No, Nancy will not pay for an appearance, ever, and she will not bring the guest in via air/hotel- not that kinda show. She would set them up with a field producer officer and tape remotely. That said- there is nothing in it for NG as a ratings perspective and I can state as a certainty that NG will not allow DY to make her accusations on her show AND NEITHER will Rosenthal.
I doubt very highly that Ms. Young shared her last briefing with LE with anyone if they are demanding updates from LE. DY got one to include the fact that DDS was absolutely cleared and if she makes another public allegation to the contrary by herself or through others she will face a civil suit- both her attorney and 2 detectives from MCSO were tasked with that warning to her- DA will not communicate with her directly.
B
World Soldiers are upset I read all the posts for a change To bad they don’t use the energy to look at other
Possibilities New ideas
T. Ruth says:
August 11, 2015 at 11:37 pm
@Blink says:
In my mind, that is underscored by the fact that the day before, Kitty HAD a Dr. appt re her ear infection, and it was during that appt ( Kyron was in school) that the appt for the 11th wa. Porter discussing the upcoming appt for Kyron and what the Dr. requested in terms ofs made for Kyron.
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That’s the first I’ve heard there was an appointment on the 3rd for the baby. Makes it all make even more sense.
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IMHO the school should never have been left off the hook in the first place, as they were not following their own protocol that day. So I have always wondered, since they had previously been neglecting to bother to call home in case of absence anyway, what difference would it make? Why did Porter say she didn’t think there was a problem because she (and reportedly some other staff member) thought Kyron had a doctor appointment. Their elected policy had been, don’t bother to call, it’s such a close-knit school…blah blah blah. So why even bring that up? Why? Because they were afraid of being sued, that’s why.
I wonder, to this day, if there had been no alleged confusion on the school’s part, would either of the bio parents have sued them? Why did Kaine believe so early on (well before this alleged MFH was thrown in his face), why would he believe TMH, his wife, and Kyron’s caregiver for a good 5 years, purposely confused the school?
Whatever is in that answer, is possibly the key to solving this case. Who convinced KH that Terri was telling untruths behind his back? Why did he believe them?
Why did all of them refuse to talk about whether or not there was a doctor appointment in the first place? They ALL knew there was one at some early point, and yet would not admit to it until waaaaay later in the time line of things? All of which made TMH look more and more guilty, deceptive. It freakin’ wouldn’t have mattered, because the school would not have called home anyway. It was not a policy they were following, period. There would have been no reason for TMH to make up some deceptive Dr. appointment BS, because I’m certain she knew what the school’s policy had been in the past. I mean, you can’t tell me Kyron never stayed home sick prior to his disappearance and she DID NOT get a call. They weren’t doing it, i.e., following recommended protocol until after Kyron’s disappearance, which is why the family got one the following Monday.
I just have a feeling that if someone had bothered to sue the school, we would have answers by now, and if nothing else, whatever monetary awards would have come from said lawsuit, which most likely would have been settled out of court, could be used to hire private detectives to solve this case. Desiree sued the wrong people.
I don’t think it’s that simple T. Ruth. I think it was convenient for Kaine to believe what LE “impressions” were considering he was told immediately that TH was responsible for his “interview” and confiscation of roids in April 2009- I believe he felt fear he would be arrested and had confessed to having an extramarital affair at the time and add-in the fact he never knew that a landscaper had been hired and now LE was telling him that was going on… it was an easy leap for him to keep everything considering it was going that way anyway and I TRULY do not believe he ever thought TH would harm Kyron herself, and allow that.
B
@Rose says:
August 12, 2015 at 9:05 am
Rose, thanks for looking that up. I was thinking the same thing, re timing to divorce settlement.
@cd says:
August 12, 2015 at 1:11 am
Hey, thanks for pointing that out. There is a huge difference in the sketch isn’t there. In reality, his earlobes are more in-line with the corner of his mouth while the top of his ears line up with the corners of his eyes, and yet whomever did the sketch, sketched them in a position where his lobes are in line with his nostrils, and the top of his ears line up with his eyebrows. Weird. Maybe that’s one of the reasons I’ve never thought that sketch looked much like Kyron. I still think Kyron would more like his brother today, and, btw, Q’s ears are lower as well, though not quite as low as Kyron’s.
https://www.facebook.com/quinnster94
Who the heck approved that sketch? How does that work in a missing child case? Is it left up to the parents? Would not the FBI or someone with a little more expertise mention something as dramatic as that? IDK
Whether Porter’s alleged confusion was realistic depends, Blink, not on her work responsibilities but on whether Terri had a history of providing a written note prior to absences for appointments. Some parents turn it in on return. My bet is Terri’s habit was to send one in the day before the absence. In any case, Porter’s conclusion was nonsensical as she had not discussed her observations for the dr with Terri.
I thought Terri’s report on KH was to another jurisdiction and was recorded as anonymous.
So the other jurisdiction passed it on to mcso, with her name as reporter, for interview?
I don’t get how a lawbreaker, and one with an affair, is seen in a favorable light from the get go by mcso;
and the law abider, who is Super Parent, is not.
If he was interviewed, and not charged, imo he cooperated & named his supplier.
So why was that person & associates not on the hot seat?
Rose- there are some things I can’t be as specific as I would like on this issue. I believe the extent of his April 2009 interview included an agency knocking on the door, advising him to get this “stash” and handing it over (words to that effect) but that’s all the information I have from that “incident.” I believe the agency knew who his supplier has before they confiscated it. It was not anonymous – they were at her home and took the “contraband”. To my knowledge TH cooperated under the auspice Kaine would never know it was her. Which again, to my knowledge, held until Kyron disappeared and she was being asked questions directly related to it- so she obliged.
B
B
maybe whoever in mcso interviewed KH hushed it up
about his supply chain because the supplier could id
numerous police, deputy, and firefighter customers.
Not maybe. KH knew that, and as I said, there were arrests as a result of that contact in April 2009. Not Kaine of course, but following Kyron’s disappearance.
B
When did J M turn 18 is my confusion. If KH waited until JM turned 18 to contact JM as the story sounds to me
Want was going on in the case around JM ‘s 18th Birthday that might make KH seek out James with gifts,money
To get info
Why did SG feel the need to interview and was KH involved Does he feed into those sites
I don’t think KH does anything with out a plan Motive I do not think he just likes to gossip and stir things up
Or likes the admin of those sites unless he gets some benefit. Definitely IMO
@ Rose says:
August 11, 2015 at 9:31 pm
KH contacted JM initially, as soon as he turned 18. And yes, you have it right… the Depo by DY was taken AFTER KH initiated contact, and more than likely that info gleaned was fed to attorneys for BOTH the civil lawsuit Depo and the final divorce settlement. I believe that JM stood behind his mother under deposition. But he tended to have loose lips IMO, and that was taken advantage of by more than street stalkers.
T. Ruth says:
August 12, 2015 at 12:25 pm
T. Ruth says:
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I doubt very highly that Ms. Young shared her last briefing with LE with anyone if they are demanding updates from LE. DY got one to include the fact that DDS was absolutely cleared and if she makes another public allegation to the contrary by herself or through others she will face a civil suit- both her attorney and 2 detectives from MCSO were tasked with that warning to her- DA will not communicate with her directly.
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DY should tell her followers to stop with the emails to NG. If NG interviewed DY she would ask about DDS and DY would have to admit DDS was cleared or refuse to say anything about her. That would make SG look like the liar she is to all of her devotees.
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looks like Bringkyronhome.org is still not working.
@ Rose says:
August 12, 2015 at 9:05 am
Rose, I will admit, my memory for time sequence is crappy off the top of my head. I have to go back to connect dots a lot, and I hadn’t put time sequence exact in my comment (going off top of my head). This case has times where things blur together, other times, seem totally disconnected and yet are parallel. I do know that JM continued to visit Sheltered Nook discreetly when he had leaves from Bootcamp, etc. KH household picked him up from PDX airport when he came in.
For all I know, JM is still visiting the Horman home on Leave, and in regular contact with kH. I just know the constant trade off – info for visiting kH – apparently ended when the divorce did, as that is around the time he had little more to do with the Roseburg maternal family. JM did not visit TH after she moved from Roseburg, and the relationship was strained, to say the least, during those times. They had phone contact however, a couple times a year from his military base, and at least one meeting at his bio dad’s house. I don’t know where they stand now, but I’m guessing, things haven’t changed a lot given the latest circumstances. The Kyron bios were focused on cutting off all ties for TH (DY so much as admitted it publicly) and they didn’t care if it was her own bio son or not. I think they savored the ‘trophy’, however unethical it was. It saddens me to think anyone would use another’s child to gain something for themselves.
And don’t get me wrong, this strain would destroy even the best of relationships between mother and son if there was already issues, but add in that there is a young man seeking a wealthier gift-giving role model father figure with the people standing in front of his home blaming his mother for heinous crimes, and it’s adding gasoline to the fire. I wouldn’t wish this tearing asunder on the queen of stalking herself… but Karma does have a way of coming around to teach… and I think Karma will exact her lesson when it’s due. (Forgive me for hoping I’m around to see it.)
TKG- very respectfully I am looking at moderating your subsequent post- you have a slew of potential accusations regarding Kaine you cannot substantiate. Can I ask you to edit that and repost please?
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@ T. Ruth says:
August 12, 2015 at 12:25 pm
KH was told on June 3 evening that there was a doc appt for Kyron set for June 11. So his comment ‘there was some talk about that’ referred to that instance, IMO. Why not just admit that he DID know? That raised red flags in my mind, if he had abused his son, for Kyron to disappear the next morning. When I previously suggested this theory, I was publicly berated for ‘attacking the daddy’. But this was a HUGE red flag for me – if an abuser knows his victim might out him, he will act quickly to stop that! And since I have previous knowledge on the lax accountability on personnel hour status of Intel (former BF had 5 year affair working at Eng Dept. of Intel – on the clock). I knew it was very possible that KH had not been where he said he was, and Intel wouldn’t necessarily know it, and the coworkers covered for each other (in my ex’s case for sure). I have been waiting for a documented alibi timeline for him for that morning, just as they gave out for TH, but of course, that’s never happened.
KH also didn’t have his normal dinner time with his family the night before, instead, calling to say he had other plans that he forgot to tell the home fort about. And Kyron was in bed before he made it home. I think my opinion of KH is pretty lacking due to how he puts himself out as a great dad, when he has little respect for his family by his actions. I don’t for one minute believe he had the conversation with Kyron outside on June 4 as he stated… I think he may have said something to Kyron in passing, but highly doubt he said the self-ingratiating things he relayed to reporters. It simply doesn’t jive with the known KH persona who jetted off to work in another state and to beer parties in other countries, IMO.
Does anyone remember this interview where Kaine was asked about James and he said he was to wait until
James turned 18 to have contact.
I have looked for it Can’t find it
I may have this mixed up
Any body else remember? Blink ?
There is always a chance that Kaine did not bribe James Just generous with a x stepson Whom he liked
As a kid
And thinks Kiara will benefit from knowing him
I don’t see Kaine as all bad or all good Somewhere in the middle
@ Blink – moderate as you see fit. I am discussing THEORY, for the most part, not pointing finger of accusation. And I am not excluding intelligent theories regarding DY, TY or even TH in stating this one. I remain open to scrutinizing and fact checking possibilities in all theories.
@ T. Ruth says:
August 12, 2015 at 12:25 pm
I think KH was trying to hide the fact that he knew about the Doc appt set for June 11 before the disappearance June 4, and it comes out months later, when he told a reporter “there was some talk about that” instead of admitting that he had prior knowledge (say like on June 3 when it was made), raising red flags about KH’s involvement in some way.
I had stated publicly back then my opinion was that if there was abuse going on by a family member (most likely father/uncle due to family history), and that person had knowledge of upcoming doc appt, the person would have to act quickly to stop from being outted for possible detection. Big question is WHO KNEW on June 3? When I originally theorized this, I was publicly harangued for ‘attacking the father’ by voicing my thoughts on that theory. But like any theory, I felt (and still feel), it’s just as plausible as any others, stronger even, with means, motive, and ability. And it must be kept above table until answers are known about what truly happened to Kyron that day. I have not seen KH ‘clear himself’ as he has demanded of his wife.
Typically, TH was trying to make a traditional family when possible – holidays, vacations, activities – all documented. They had family dinners when KH was home from long distance work travelling. HYPOTHETICALLY, what if, June 3 he called last minute to say he wouldn’t make it for family dinner that night – had other spur-of-the-minute plans, and Kyron went to bed before he arrived home. (I personally can’t prove this but believe it true per secondary disclosure). Wouldn’t that raise a red flag about who/where he was and doing/discussing what? To clear KH, I want to know, minute by minute, what was occurring in that time span – from knowledge of doc appt to call to police about missing child. And then we know he was off to the gym before 5am, before Kyron was up (which we didn’t discover until years afterward). I wonder then, WHEN WAS the alleged last time KH spent real quality time beyond a ‘passing of two ships’ with Kyron BEFORE the KH-offered encounter while Kyron was purportedly feeding Bootsie June 4? More than 24 hours? A couple days? When he was showing off his new tractor to Grandpa M with Kyron as documented by photos? We don’t really know, since it wasn’t publicly disclosed. But it’s likely not in KH’s best interest, as it does suggest his true parenting status, or lack thereof. And I think it very important to understand the correlation between the time of knowledge regarding the upcoming doctor appt and the activities before the child disappearance, if one is trying to find that ‘other person’ relationship that could be the SZ.
The rest of his alibi is self serving IMO, and I feel, incomplete in comparison to TH’s.
I personally do not believe his work alibi is set in concrete, and it should have been further scrutinized beyond a time sheet from Intel – who was KH with from when to when, when was he active on desk computer/phone/laptop etc. From personal experience, my ex BF had a long term off-campus affair (not with me) during his employment there, while working in the Engineering dept of Intel, without the boss’s apparent knowledge (or with, and no recourse?). Coworkers covered for each other back then. This was early 2000′s, and I doubt it has changed much in the ‘Good ‘ol Boys’ club of 2010, or even today, IMO. I cannot give KH a pass until I see an hour by hour documentation of where he was, with backup evidence – just like TH’s. So not being forthcoming in one area (ie: there was some talk about that) raises HUGE red flags to ALL info released by him (ie: Intel alibi).
Another hinky thing for me has been the reported conversation that was had with Kyron before leaving for work that morning June 4. I believe it’s a self ingratiating story, and not at all true, given the propensity for him to mostly not be available to his family: due to work out of state, gym club gallivants, long hours on WoW role-playing games, and jetting off to vacation parties in other countries while leaving family behind, etc. It just has never set well with me, the media portrayal of a ‘family man’ when so many red flags say he’s not really all that. I’ve always felt the white wash on that media built fence was fading…
And still… no answers. Heck, no ‘hard’ evidence, apparently. Where is Kyron? And why doesn’t any of the main players care enough to drop personal disputes to focus on what really happened to their missing child?
If they took the contraband, KH got more, allegedly
(cancelled cks & needles went to Houze).
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James already had issues–imo related to executive functioning/add
or hd, and some sort of adjustment disorder clinically
at a minimum, and Kaine knew it from James’ foundering in the teen years in his home.
Kaine’s “cut off” of James’ predecessor father, the adoptive one, whilst
extracting moolah, reveals his character. So to contact this 18 yo after No Contact
(just as kiara had no contact) and “host” him on leaves and give him money, without
encouraging his maternal relationship, is pretty pathological to me. And Kristin’s participation
is just as pathological. Any 18 yo boy in the military wants a fantasy family to come home to, a nuclear family.
James’ choice between a single mom under siege, and a shill mom dad 3 sisters–with one a cute college (maybe
who knows) student and one a cute soph or jr in high school, and some gifts & money if true–well, that’s a no brainer Leave visitation plan. In my opinion such a Not-Daddy Not-Mommy
are as young man-destructive and pathological as can be.
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From James’ pov, he’s played musical fathers all his life. His longest, most memorable, was Kaine. That would be
his starting point for an idealized father. He will have to like Christopher, Kaine’s stepbrother, sustain a military injury to reveal the lack of fathering ability and character, as Neil revealed destructively when Christopher presented dependently.
As far as Terri goes, she’s the safe one. the one he can take it out on. She’ll always be there for him.
His loss, imo, now on Leave is her parents. How much superior Mr Moulton is to the Horman family.
and if “the agency” had
preexisting kniwledge of suppliers, twas the DEA.
@tkg. wrt “info for visiting kH – apparently ended when the divorce did, as that is around the time he had little more to do with the Roseburg maternal family. JM did not visit TH after she moved from Roseburg, and the relationship was strained, to say the least, during those times. ”
If James ceased relating to Terri after the divorce, while regularly consorting with Kaine before it, at Kaine’s initial instigation 20 months or so before the divorce, then my logical conclusion is Kaine’s act was indeed deliberate info-gathering via James suggested by one of his attorneys. They were at a minimum aware. The divorce Judge should have been made aware by them of intermediary contacts with Terri’s son – imo a conflict of interest.
If DEA & Clackamus engineered supplier arrests of anyone in or with a nexus to K’s supply chain after the abduction, imo they were covering their LE asses for not doing it before the abduction likely because they knew LE were amongst the buyers.
I hope AS is happily resting on a cool Alaskan shore & will enjoy her return.
if it was Kaine who suggested James
join Army ground troops during
unresolved Iraq/Afghan
involvement & those IEDs, he is
evil indeed in my opinion. Shoukd’ve helped
him fill out college appls & pd for the inState
school in downtown Portland, and let him
live at “home” to save money. Then he could
have babysat the girl Kristin was told by Drs not
to leave alone after school.