Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage

Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing,  Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.

Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW,  a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.

In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud-  the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper,  Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.

Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.

 

 

BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.

 

 

 

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  1. T. Ruth says:

    @RedRose says:
    February 9, 2014 at 2:14 am

    The original poster said they reported the incident to the police. So you’d need to ask them. Let’s hope they follow up and aren’t suffering from tunnel vision.

    Anyone have any input on Williams Ave/Mississippi area?

  2. Rose says:

    maybe WGIP works in local LE

  3. vwoolf says:

    @erose

    Interesting. I’ve heard of Reddit before, but never went there. LOL on the story attributed to TMH via a response. Seems credible. Agree with Seeker #48 about the 3 years reference.

    But can’t get over the “Me and some friends” start and then very formal, almost perfect standard grammar and writing that follows. Something just doesn’t seem right about the story. But, if true, do hope PPB will investigate themselves and not take it to the “full-time” lead investigator at MCSO.

  4. T. Ruth says:

    Hmmmm, back in the beginning when we were all looking at RSO’s I came across this guy, due to white pickups.

    http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Oregon/Marion-County-OR/Dean-Gordon-Alby.8788503.html

    when I first looked him up it listed his vehicle as this:

    White Ford Ranger Pickup

    what’s weird is Intellius lists him as related to this guy (same address)

    http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Oregon/Marion-County-OR/Mark-Steven-Klemmer.8790138.html

    from SM back in the day:

    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9000.230;wap2

    Vehicle Information
    Date of Entry: 11/28/2007
    Year: 2006 Make: FORD Model: RNG Style: TK
    Color: WHI Color: License State: OR
    Misc:
    Date of Entry: 12/03/2001
    Year: 2002 Make: JAGU Model: Style: AU
    Color: BLU Color: License State: OR
    Misc:

    **************
    These two guys live together? This is somewhere near the area the poster was referring to. And oddly, when you go to google map the address, there is a blurred residence. These homes do have basements, btw. Creeping me out.

  5. sam h says:

    I think dy should be praying for tmh saftey because if anything happens to tmh its a pretty open and shut case who did it, even via accomplice(s)

    She has done what she accuses tmh of doing.. hatred, incriminating emails, conspiring with lowly charectors, hijacking the press, causing personal emotional injury etc etc etc.
    i really understand how she could feel like she does because of the loss of kyron so i believe le is culpable in all this. as previos poster said- searches are with herrons advice
    e/direction. dy had to have f

  6. sam h says:

    Cont. sorry.
    dy had to have been given info from le (Whether true or not) to come to the belief she has now. dd spichers statements ate evidenced by facts- she did cooperate with le, she did have her computers searched, she did say the same things over and over without perjury. instead of clearing her name le just changes the subject. instead of ever clearing tmh physically removing kyron for the school they just changed the subject. her timeline that day was discovered by the posters on blogs- le never admitted any of it publicly. argh!

  7. sam h says:

    I would like to add that i have been honored to have known many fine and honourable le, from street officers to detectives to chiefs of sherrifs offices. i am not anti le, i am anti picking a suspect by gut feeling and then trying to makefacts and evidence fit that person.

  8. Tiny says:

    That reddit post is weird. I agree with Seeker.
    The search, Feb 11, temp is the only criteria for postponing the search. Portland is a disaster right now, I can’t imagine a search but that is what was planned.
    I will not divulge my source, sorry.

  9. T. Ruth says:

    Forgot to add that this residence is only .7 of a mile from Lillis Albina Park, which I think at one time Skyline played soccer games there.

  10. T. Ruth says:

    @Seeker says:
    February 9, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Exactly what I was thinking. Seems pretty knowledgeable for some local drunk.

  11. Malty says:

    @Erose
    WGIP hope LE looks in his basement if he has a basement
    Any thing is possible
    Thanks for the link

  12. patriciamochalatte says:

    How strange is it that people are claiming to witness such an event with a WGIP without attempting to get further information? Did they ask this WGIP for his name? Did they attempt to follow him or call the police right then? Some WGIP doesn’t make sense. What did he look like? What was be wearing? Was a sketch done on this guy?
    It sure seems as if the goal of finding Kyron is half hearted by some. From the odd behavior of the Parents to the questionable search tactics and investigation and media reports at this point my goodness what isn’t odd and strange about this case?
    The amount of money spent investigating this case must be astounding and would likely leave many investigators and press GREEN with envy over a report about a WGIP who made statements as was alleged!
    And yet we hear nary a word from TONY, Y. still?
    And wasn’t an investigation going on prior to Kyron’s disappearance? Maybe during/after? Are they related?
    What good reason, if any exist, would there be for excluding the full assistance of the FBI?

  13. MockingbirdSings says:

    Albalass says:
    February 9, 2014 at 10:36 am

    @erose -
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vUyhPiPFRQkJ:www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/1xebu4/weird_guy_in_n_portland_claims_he_kidnapped_kyron/+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    thanks for the link. after reading the comments below the post – I was left with this sinking feeling, that you couldn’t blame some people from being put off coming forward if they had information, incase they too would be subject to moronic comments.
    and then I got to thinking that maybe there have been people out there, from the start of this case with relevant info, that have seen the vindictive spew on facebook etc – that are plain too scared to come forward.

    AlbaLass
    ——————————————

    @AlbaLass – agreed. It’s bad enough when people don’t report criminals for fear of retaliation by the criminals or their associates, and I am always grateful for those brave enough to stand up in those circumstances. It should be, IMO, a criminal act if it can be shown that a person or persons caused others to fear for their safety if they reported anything contrary to the “party line,” regardless of whether it relates directly to the guilty party. In other words, the free flow of information is an essential part of an investigation whether or not that information leads to the guilty party. I (personally) put it in the same class as the intimidation or harassment of voters.

  14. Miss Bri says:

    @Seeker-

    I agree. It’s one thing to make a joke that you’re the person who has him (not funny, imo) but to say it to a group of strangers and then add all that detail is beyond strange. I’m so glad it was reported and I hope LE looks into it.

    ———
    Seeker says:
    February 9, 2014 at 11:28 am
    Regarding WGIP (Weird Guy in Portland), the following things stood out to me:

    1) WGIP mentioned 3 years. A lot of people will know Kyron’s name, but are they going to be able to whip out a voluntary, factual statement of how long he’s been missing? A complete loon might simply say, “I have him in my basement.” But saying he’s had him in his basement for 3 years shows a different level of knowledge. Mentioning the passage of time also sounds like a braggart who is growing impatient.

    2) WGIP was so eager to talk about Kyron that he mis-heard someone who didn’t actually say his name.

    3) He’s aware of the tunnel-vision on Terri and keeping track of who LE thinks did it.

    4) WGIP saying that the police have never been able to “figure it out” sounds like someone who is starting to tilt away from the arrogance of “I’ve outsmarted you” toward an impatience with the incompetence of those who should be “figuring it out”.

  15. cd says:

    Rose says:
    February 7, 2014 at 9:42 pm
    me too, malty & ode.
    A near term search, skunked by
    the weather, makes sense
    because DY’s associated sites have in
    my opinion a history of writing online to raise funds
    prior to a search.
    —————
    I think the search is a way to perk up the dwindling donations and maybe get some publicity. I have not seen anything about cadaver dogs or search and rescue personnel arriving here to assist (maybe I missed it).

    Since the last search probably cost quite a bit of monies I don’t see how the gofundme could even fund another one. Unless Kaine is willing to donate/help out financially which I doubt because he would not even let DY and company search on his property last time.

    I would think the amount donated displayed on the site is not necessarily the amount they have on hand.

  16. T. Ruth says:

    Okay, I just realized those pedos are too old to meet the age description.

  17. Seeker says:

    Not sure if the entire post is allowed to be copied here, but Jerk24 posted an interesting comment on the Reddit WGIP thread. Worth documenting in case it poofs:

    “Definitely very second hand so please take with a grain of salt, but my wife’s mother is a school counselor in the Tri-City (SE Washington area) area and the police did an investigation in that area because they thought that he was going to school there under a different name. All of that is pretty hush hush stuff so I don’t really know what became of it but this sounds like more of an attention thing then anything else.”

    http://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/1xeqey/weird_guy_in_n_portland_claims_he_kidnapped_kyron/

  18. Rose says:

    @cd. The only source about a search is
    Tiny’s mention here recently.

  19. Rose says:

    @Tiny. I just read back & saw your last post.
    Thank you, trustingly.

  20. Ode says:

    T. Ruth says:
    February 9, 2014 at 1:53 pm
    Hmmmm, back in the beginning when we were all looking at RSO’s I came across this guy, due to white pickups.
    http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Oregon/Marion-County-OR/Dean-Gordon-Alby.8788503.html
    what’s weird is Intellius lists him as related to this guy (same address)
    http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Oregon/Marion-County-OR/Mark-Steven-Klemmer.8790138.html
    *********
    Another weird thing about these 2 are that the dates of their convictions were 5/93 and 6/93, only weeks apart yet over 20 years ago and they end up living together. I just thought that was strange.

  21. Rose says:

    @sam h. viperous speech has been back in full attack mode
    on anti DD FB, claiming as justification LE did not “clear” her.
    The DA needs to put out a statement, or imo the DA’s
    Office in Portland is functionally a State Sponsor of Hate.
    (And imo there are other disenfranchised in Portland
    who have been treated similarly.)

  22. NelMel says:

    I did, but I would respectfully say if that if that is to be the tone, you already know what I am going to say.
    B

  23. RedRose says:

    http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/OR750/Mark-Steven-Klemmer.html

    Since the house was blurred out on the google map (why do they do that anyway — because these are sex offender residences??), so I did a search of google images and saw pictures of both guys. Here’s the other one:
    http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/OR3700/Dean-Gordon-Alby.html
    More stuff:
    http://www.trulia.com/homes/Oregon/Portland/sold/650667-221-NE-Stanton-St-Portland-OR-97212
    http://www.theskanner.com/news/northwest/1020-state-sexual-predator-web-site-goes-live-2006-07-06
    More links when you google the street address with quotation marks around it.
    (BTW, if I’m not supposed to post full names here, Blink, please remove. Thanks)

    @T. Ruth says: February 9, 2014 at 1:53 pm

  24. SuziQ says:

    And while we’re throwing out possible suspects, let not forget: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northern_az/prescott/YCSO-Sexual-predator-Eric-George-McNeill-captured-in-Klamath-County-Oregon

    He still remains a logical perp to me. Was seen by a friend of mine, at Skyline in days prior to Kyron being missing, when her son was acting in a spot being filmed at the Old Church across the road and my friend saw someone who looked like him at the school watching the kids and was creeped out enough to leave. This HAS been reported, long ago; NO ONE has contacted her since she reported ir. ?

    SuziQ- not that this necessarily excludes him, but all of his victims were girls. Multi-gender pedophiles with these types of offenses are rare for his profile. Although I would not preclude that SZ could have the dual proclivity, but that tends to be motivated by something else as a predominant deviance.
    B

    B

  25. Malty says:

    About a search We have a icy crust on every thing tonight And I can’t get out because the side streets are still a mess I don’t think it will be warm enough or dry enough by Tues
    The snow can lay on in shaded ares a long time

    I agree the people who talked with WGIP should have asked a lot of questions. Encouraged him to talk
    If they didn’t

  26. Rose says:

    @mbs. …thinking about the “Strike” & how Carole’s leadership in the matter is similar to her leadership in the abduction.
    It occurs to me the lack of PPS transparency & accountability for the abduction of Kyron, and the current contract impasse, perhaps have a similar etiology. Smith spent her pre-Supt career as the equivalent of headmistress of a private school.
    It is my experience in those settings usually the School comes first, and individual perspectives are subordinated. And headmistresses often have outsized power.
    Tho her prior school was nonprofit, & contractually related to PPS, and for struggling students, the institutional culture was likely similar to a private. It is unfortunate PPS’ BOE did not hire a seasoned Supt who’d successfully led a similar District in another State.

    Her evals and their milestones are being handled as “flexibly” as a provincially-run private might be, as well.
    See
    http://www.wweek.com/portland/mobile/articles/articleView/id:21951
    “The Milestones report is a key metric for the PPS board to measure the success of the district and Superintendent Carole Smith. But no one on the board has asked publicly where the report is.
    Board co-chairs Greg Belisle and Pam Knowles in October listed championing and tracking student achievement via Milestones as a top priority. Belisle didn’t respond to WW’s calls; Knowles said she didn’t have time to comment.”

    (btw OT I found the button I was hitting inadvertantly on the Phone that affected WW & Blink….
    & can read WW news again, thankfully.)

  27. vw says:

    Horman Kaine Andrew */Horman Terri Lynn Moulton MCR 2/12/14 9:00A THXK 544 JUDGE KANTOR 100666084 Hearing

    (Despite Engel’s postponement stategy, TMH’s re-union with Kiara hearing is still on).

  28. Tiny says:

    Trust me when I say that if I say anything else about a search it will be obvious who I am and I really do not want that. A tip came in that, it was felt, was credible, and a search organized. That is all I can give you, except to say that I do not think this will lead anywhere.

    I respect that Tiny, and I DO NOT want you to feel compelled to say anything that would compromise you.
    Can I ask you this though- was the tip from a psychic?
    B

  29. erose says:

    My takeaway, the mayor almost reveled to everyone on twitter that there is indeed a SZ.

    Rose says:
    February 9, 2014 at 12:59 pm

  30. T. Ruth says:

    Was gonna make some comment, but I’m sorry….It’s The Beatles!

  31. MockingbirdSings says:

    Rose says:
    February 9, 2014 at 11:00 am
    (snipped)
    My speculation based on his “final rulings” and their basis, and the nature & scope of Engel’s “arguments,” is it may be JK has a certain negative transference to sharp women and a highly positive transference to certain types of male personalities (those full of ego & bluster), and they realized that.

    Also a reason for TH to often not attend.
    ——————————————————–

    @Rose – been in that boat before in other professional settings – you make a very good point re “sharp women”. Not that I’m so sharp, but you don’t have to be if you are standing next to a dull man without much confidence and who is in over his head.
    (Not saying it’s only a male issue, but it fits here.)

  32. MockingbirdSings says:

    T. Ruth says:
    February 9, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Anyone have any input on Williams Ave/Mississippi area?

    @T.Ruth – try this link:
    http://www.portlandneighborhood.com/boise-eliot.html

    When I first began working over that way in 1986, it was like a different (declining) world from the other parts of Portland. It got even worse with gangs, abandoned buildings, crime, etc. It began to change in the last 10-12 years. If you look at the brief history in this article, you’ll get a sense of what it’s like. There are places I’d walk, and places I wouldn’t – as in many towns. There are places I can see someone could be held in a basement and no one know – but I have to say that’s true of many places, I don’t think you can restrict that to any neighborhood anymore.

  33. MockingbirdSings says:

    Seeker says:
    February 9, 2014 at 11:28 am
    (snipped)
    Regarding WGIP (Weird Guy in Portland), the following things stood out to me:

    4) WGIP saying that the police have never been able to “figure it out” sounds like someone who is starting to tilt away from the arrogance of “I’ve outsmarted you” toward an impatience with the incompetence of those who should be “figuring it out”.
    ————————————————–

    re WGIP – I don’t know if any of what was said in that post fits with any profile that has been presented. I am very familiar with the location that was mentioned, and it has its possibilities. However, it could also be someone who has mental issues and became fixated on the case for some reason.

    @Seeker – I’ve been wondering about something similar to your #4 for a while, not for any specific reason but mostly because there hasn’t appeared to be another abduction of this type since 2010.

    This led me to think that maybe there hasn’t been the closure the abductor felt necessary before moving on. What could he (assuming “he”) be waiting for or doing to make this an “ongoing event” (for want of a better term – I am no expert!) for him? Here’s what I thought of –

    1 – he still has Kyron or knows where he is, so some sort of connection is still there
    2 – he is waiting for TH to be arrested and charged so he can feel he really got away with this and perhaps move away without calling attention to himself – and didn’t expect it to take so long
    3 – he has souvenirs/videos and isn’t emotionally ready to move on (but that seems like it wouldn’t be enough for such a risk taker)
    4 – he is now taking his time to plan and set up his next move
    5 – he has a connection to someone close to Kyron and a reason for being involved that is unknown to us (an additional payoff, covering for someone, some other expectation)
    6 – he’s in prison or deceased or has been deported

    Anyone? My gut feeling has always been that this person is still around, still keeping track of the investigation (or lack of one), and will at some point cause harm to another child. I’ve never thought Kyron was hidden for his own protection, but even if that were true, IMO that is causing great harm – this child had other options, other ways any family issues could have been handled, if that were the case.

  34. erose says:

    Not sure if we caught this. Four days after the (most recent) big steroid bust.

    11/18/13

    PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — A tentative contract for Portland police would protect officers who take sports supplements tainted with steroids.

    Under current policy, officers who test positive for banned drugs face suspension or having their powers restricted.

    The Oregonian reports officers would not face repercussions for steroids under the tentative four-year contract.

    Union ratification ballots will be counted next Tuesday and the city council also would have to give its approval.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dqKWrS00lH4J:www.koin.com/news/multnomah-county/steroids-in-new-portland-police-contract+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    In 2012, the Portland Police Bureau started random drug tests of officers. The bureau expected to test up to 55 officers a month, or 660 a year. The bureau included testing for steroids, despite stiff opposition from the union.

    http://blog.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/print.html?entry=/2013/11/portland_police_tentative_cont.html

  35. Bumble says:

    Wrt looking for an 11 yr old Kyron, I feel the need to remember that Kyron was small for his age. Also, as a mom of an 11 yr old, I have noted that among the kids in my child’s grade, the boys seem much smaller than the girls right now. Don’t boys hit a growth spurt later on? While Kyron would obviously be taller than his 7yr old self, he might not be as big as boys his age. While picking up my kiddo, I have noted some very small 6th graders, I wouldn’t a have guessed they were 11.

  36. patriciamochalatte says:

    Strange how donations would just disappear like that. Maybe someone took this guys advice?
    http://www.hingson dotcom forrwardslash category forwardslash media
    ?

  37. RedRose says:

    5) …and now wants somebody to notice him.

    @Miss Bri says: February 9, 2014 at 6:17 pm

  38. Amys Sister says:

    The drunk joking about having Kyron in his basement is more than likely a random alcoholic with no life. A person capable of removing a child from a school without notice or description is probably a little smarter than this bozo. Not that it shouldn’t be investigated (and maybe he has been) but it seems far fetched.

    Do we know the extent of FBI involvement? It could be that FBI supports MCSO both in agreement with their actions and by offering assistance as requested.

    @ Tiny, thank your for sharing what you know re a possible search tomorrow. I hope Desiree’s efforts bring her some closure.

    She knows LE has searched and will not do so again. She knows it is imperative to find a body if she wants resolution. I support the searches. Yes, a needle in a haystack, but it’s not an impossibility that evidence or his little remains could be found. It’s happened many times that LE searched and found nothing but then the body was later found.

    With much respect, DY needs to lean on Underhill/Rees and LE if she wants to increase her odds in locating her child and she well knows that. This is a blatant attempt to undermine TMH custody issues, imo.

    B

  39. patriciamochalatte says:

    PS There are a few interesting articles at the website I provided link for. The seventh article talks about illegal steroid distribution that extends to Portland and includes information regarding who was being distributed to.

  40. Rose says:

    You are right Blink, in p 2 of his Motion to strike Bunch’s brief, Engel refers to his Exhibit 3, JK’s ramblings, as rulings fromthe bench (oral rulings) & relies on them.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-k-h0edM2Pfo/UvUuNMGvv3I/AAAAAAAAD64/XdaTdtkV9jE/s1600/P1013039.JPG
    I don’t know why I feel aversion to actually reading Engel, but I guess it pays.
    Imo if JK strikes the Brief, there has to be an appeal, and because visitation is at issue, there should be a
    request for a new judge because imo an appeal risks JK’s vindictiveness in the visitation matter.
    —-
    I think Smith running PPS like a private school without public accountability (ie refusing OLive’s records request)
    will come back to bite PPS in the Kyron matter some day.
    OT can you imagine with a graduation rate in the 60%ile closing high schools for more than a week?

    I just do not understand Engel’s track here- the excerpted transcript, is not an order. The order is the order. No more, no less. The order is the only basis for which one can “respond” in accordance with family court rules of civil process/procedure. As an example- what if JK said something entirely different ( LOL) 5 minutes before that and 5 minutes after- who is to say what was “rule” and what was argument discussion in open court.

    I have never seen family counsel abuse the system in this way and with his Honor’s blessing it seems.
    B
    B

  41. Rose says:

    very interesting Patricia. I assume you refer to first article under “media” published in 2004 by Lawyers Weekly?
    Seems to me diligence would apply to any attorney fees sourced to either a private gFm account
    or to a private Foundation. Hingson says fee payments would need to be further traced no matter what the source.

  42. T. Ruth says:

    There are several reports out there that dsay “Kyron didn’t make it to his first *math* class”. I’ve never been able to find out if in fact, Kyron had a separate math class. I was looking back at TMH’s FB photos today and found this caption for a picture of Kyron, from 1st grade:

    ****************
    Terri Moulton Horman
    February 24, 2009

    Kyron in math class – 1st grade.

    ***********

    So if he had a separate math class in first grade, did he also have a separate one in 2nd grade in 2010? If so, who was his math teacher? Does/could this account for the discrepancy in classroom information as noted on Dr. Phil?

  43. Rose says:

    “Now, after emerging Tuesday morning from a closed-door status hearing before Judge Henry Kantor, Young and her attorney Elden Rosenthal confirmed that they’ve dropped the civil suit.”
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/07/kyron_hormans_mother_to_drop_c.html
    I wonder why the final hearing of this otherwise public civil suit was nonpublic?
    Desiree attended. It was her only chance to pour out her heart to JKantor about Defendant,
    whilst dropping her case.
    I wonder if there is a Court-reporter transcript. What (if anything) Desiree said to
    Kantor risked rendering him biased when adjudicating visitation & custody.

  44. Rose says:

    interesting appellate ruling in a divorce/custody case on a motion to strike where a trial judge did as he pleased
    in an oral ruling from the bench, and where there was an egregious parent petitioner. nevertheless, the granted “motion to strike” was reversed on appeal.
    http://www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/docs/A142685.htm

  45. RedRose says:

    http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Oregon/Marion-County-OR/Dean-Gordon-Alby.8788503.html

    Looks pretty much like a ‘normal’ person, right? So, if Ms.Matthews saw this picture, would she think it is possibly the person she nodded ‘yes’ to and gave permission for Kyron to disappear for 3 years?

    Thinking WGIP might be SZ??

    If LE reads here (and I think Blink said they might), and if the house at the address mentioned is blurred out on Google maps, why haven’t they gone to the house to do a search? Unless WGIP also reads here and is busy hiding Kyron (if he has him)… If there is any truth at all to the reddit post, WGIP is dropping hints, sure that nobody will pay attention because he thinks he is very clever.

    Just praying that little Kyron is still alive.

  46. Malty says:

    I have been looking up that poster of the post on reddit This poster seems to be on other sites and active
    nickkrgr

  47. Seeker says:

    Adding to my post above: I would like to know when LE (if true) was investigating the Tri-City school in SE Washington, looking for Kyron under a different name. Blink, do you have any information about whether it’s true, or when the investigation may have happened?

    I do not
    B

  48. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Bumble
    O/T
    In regards to your statement about the differences in height of boys and girls at 11 years. Girls do get growth a little earlier than do the boys. Boys that grow first in a group are usually those that will not be very tall as adults. Boys that begin their growth spurt after reaching age 12 are those that are generally 6 feet or more as adults. Of course, there are always exceptions. This is usually dependent on the sizes of the parents. For example, my two oldest boys are over six feet and they continued to grow a little each year until age twenty-two.

    Remember your biology class in high school where you studied the growth of plants. Some would be larger than the majority and others would be smaller. This is how man has selectively chosen to make dwarf or giant plant species.

    I am really worried regarding the behavior of Henry Kantor on the bench. This divorce case has been imo co-mingled with the case of finding Kyron and the activities of LE and the DA. This should be a simple civil case without any interference from LE.

    If the judge chooses to “pick sides” and use his power to punish one of the litigants, then he should not be allowed to be there.

  49. MockingbirdSings says:

    T. Ruth says:
    February 10, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    There are several reports out there that dsay “Kyron didn’t make it to his first *math* class”. I’ve never been able to find out if in fact, Kyron had a separate math class. I was looking back at TMH’s FB photos today and found this caption for a picture of Kyron, from 1st grade:
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    Terri Moulton Horman
    February 24, 2009
    Kyron in math class – 1st grade.

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    So if he had a separate math class in first grade, did he also have a separate one in 2nd grade in 2010? If so, who was his math teacher? Does/could this account for the discrepancy in classroom information as noted on Dr. Phil?
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    When I taught in elementary school we had separate classes for certain subjects arranged by teachers within certain grade levels. The classes were rather fluid, based on what the kids had mastered or still needed help with. A child might be going to one room/teacher for 3 weeks to work on multiplication with a group of kids, then spend another few weeks reviewing something else while a different group did a math project measuring things outside the school. Kids were tested every so often to be sure they were where they needed to be. Some schools/students do very well with that kind of program.

    Maybe Skyline did not have that flexibility, but if they did have something similar, it would explain why it was so hard to figure out Kyron’s schedule. Our teachers kept track in grade books and attendance, but there was no formal schedule like upper level students have. We made sure parents knew who was teaching what and who worked with their children, but we did not tell them exactly which room a student was likely to be in at all times during the day unless they asked.

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