Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview
New York, NY- For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case. Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.
Horman courtesy of People
Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions, and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include wwww.blinkoncrime.com.
In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning, Horman maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.
“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”
“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”
Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.
“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent. I want her to tell me where Kyron is. If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”- Desiree Young
“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date. To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page
Christina Stoy, www.blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney, Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.
Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview. Um, What?
Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.
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Missing KH FB
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1233396270025301&id=125336750831264&__tn__=%2As
kelly/Desiree directly attact Kaine:
1. Bob & Kaine signed a contract
2. Bob would have continued to keep the wall up
3. Kaine won’t keep the wall —”Unfortunately it seems not all of the parties involved feel the same way.”
wrt #3, She thinks she’s being cutely oblique, but she just said there were only 2 contract parties.
Kelly & Desiree finish with the falsehood Kaine won’t allow a search on his property.
He is quite right not to allow the 2 ladies & their Soldiers on his property. Intl Fitness should not allow them on his property either.
Oh, that letter originated on gofundme first:
https://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman
Should’ve know the ladies would morph this into new fundraising
marketing.
is there a link Hounddog to cut up bra showing tshirts? If Kaine were
devoted to parenting k imo, he’d jettison kyron fairs and take her to
rigorous social, sports, and extracurriculars.
ie Scouts, ice skating, ballet, soccer, lacrosse, squash, art, instrument, volunteer
work projects, family camps (I drug mine to family camps across the US),
The children of KM wrt looks (ie tats and was it once group pink hair??)
& deportment were nothing I’d expose
a daughter to, but Kaine dove in. Such older girls
are influential to a 3 to 8 yo. Imo after that by the
Tween years the battle has been lost by laissez faire parents.
In my area alcohol & drugs go in the mix by 6th grade.
OT Hounddog. Tho I woukdn’t expose my kid to her, I
I have a lot lot of pity for child 2 of the Harasser.
Physically challenged; unstable parents; working way too
much at terrible jobs while she’s supposed to be progressing college.
-snip
They owe Kyron an apology. They owe the community and every person who put something on that fence an apology, including Desiree and Kyron’s family, and to acknowledge how heartless of a choice this was.
What I’m wondering is why Kaine doesn’t have a comment for the Wall of Hope he made all the decisions for? The same wall that represents his missing son. Probably the same reason he will not allow a search on his property.
Kelly and Desiree
https://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman
—————————
There is a letter about the WoH on the gofundme site. It sounds like DY and her sister are both doubling down on the BS accusation that Kaine will not allow a search on his property. That lie is how they are trying to convince their gang at World soldiers that Kaine is somehow responsible for whatever happened to Kyron. If I was Kaine it would be a cold in you know where before I gave those two manipulative women any kind of an apology.
I’m starting to see why Kaine choose to leave DY in the first place.
I think that the real reason for the accusations against Kaine + the wall of hope drama and letter on the gofundme site are attempts to get more people over to the gofundme page and thus get more donations.
What I would say is…
Kyron is a lost boy DY/KR mongering for money by demonizing Kyron’s father is disgusting. IMO Trying to cash in on the back of your missing son/nephew is sinking pretty low. If DY/KR don’t realize that other people can see through their machinations then they are mistaken.
https://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman
end of rants
TMH says:
July 29, 2016 at 5:22 pm
Greetings TMH!
I only have an opinion regarding KH – no expertise as some here have, but it’s one I’ve had since the very beginning at the press conference where certain reporters were kicked out.
KH appears to be controlling and KH’s number one priority appears to be KH. He seems to try to control the women in his life. He also doesn’t seem to “like” women. I am reluctant to post this next opinion as I don’t know you or him, but I’ll say it anyway – the photo Blink has on here of him grabbing your breast really said to me that he didn’t respect you. Also, it looks to me like he is trying to set up an “ideal” image of a family over and over again. Quite honestly, when someone posted that image of him showing his arm muscle and shaved head, my first thought was that he’s homosexual or maybe in denial and conflicted, hence the anger and disrespect towards women.
I know my thoughts do not flow particularly well, and I don’t think my speculations are exactly on topic with your question, but I can’t see how a female child is in the best circumstances given his obvious issues.
Desiree’s recent statements reinforce
one of Desiree’s psychological features
is a shared ego with Kyron. In her mind,
To be her is to be Kyron and vice versa.
One can see why 2 fathers had custody imo.
@TMH. You are preaching to the choir who got there 5 years ago.
join us in patiently awaiting the series.
If Pending is to succeed, got to wait entirely
to communicate publically, except thru media in statements
preapproved by Houze until young child is 18.
It will be here before you know it.
Then let er rip.
Or young child will never escape the mix.
just my opinion.
Just as I suggested Desiree and Kyron share an undifferentiated ego mass (an apology to her is an apology to him and vice versa), in my opinion the same is true of Kaine and his children. What is done to kyron has been done to kiara; what is done to kiara–ie seeing terri–he experiences as done to him. That is why he cannot “give them up”
unkess ordered to share custody. Powell-like? This is not said politically but to illustrate with the familiar: A great example of Murray Bowen’s “undifferentiated famiky ego mass” was the trump chikdrens’ convention & other speeches. Time after time in interviews Jr always says “we” and his content is as if he were his father–we are running fir office, doing thus & that. and in that famiky’s case, mothers come & go too. It is the father & children who are tge ego mass. that k is female is irrelevant.
@Blink. that SG statement helps kaine too. a lot.
interesting Desiree chose Gofundme as her sole public communication vehicle.
It has no public reply function and serves to solicit $ due to her latest hurt.
Thank you for your post TMH
Your point is well taken. You lived with him and experienced his behaviors daily.
IMO Kaine is all about himself and uses women, including you, to advance whatever agenda makes him look good or that makes him feel good. The child is being used as a prop to make him appear to be a caring parent. Good parents do not use their children in such ways.
@Rose the T shirt pic is on personal FB page of KM. Upon closer look the date of the show was last year, but still. And like you, I also have pity on the daughter and her health issues. I hope KH has enough sense to keep K in a whole tshirt, no missing sides or neck.
Commenter on soldier’s page is suggesting people go to car show and ask KH why he authorized the wall removal and why he refuses cadaver dogs. This could get interesting.
T. Ruth says:
July 28, 2016 at 5:53 pm
@MockingbirdSings says:
July 28, 2016 at 1:41 am
(snipped)
Lastly- I can’t remember anymore- I did tell everyone that Kaine was never told by Desiree she was going to be on Dr. Phil with him, didn’t I? She knew he would be there for the gotcha- but he did not. To my knowledge, they have not been in contact since.
B
****************
Whoa nellie! I don’t recall ever hearing that. So which scenario is correct:
1. DY sets up an interview on Dr. Phil, Dr. Phil says something like we should bring your husband in too so we can discuss what went on in both homes in which Kyron lived, and DY says something like, oh he won’t come if I’m here and Dr. Phil says, that’s okay, we won’t tell him your coming.
OR
2. KH sets up an interview with Dr. Phil, and Dr. Phil says the same type of thing, and KH say’s I don’t want her here. So Dr. Phil says okay, but calls her in anyway?
I guess my question is which of the two set up the Dr. Phil interview, I had always thought it was a joint thing, that would be interesting to know.
TMH says:
July 29, 2016 at 5:22 pm
@ et all
@ TMH I hope that your post regarding “young female child” bears testament to your reunification with your daughter, even if it means you have seen the effects of her living with a man of his “habitual nature.”
One thing I’ve noticed wrt Kaine is the
women who have been his nuclear
family members engage in conflict with each other:
Desiree with Terri
Kristen with Terri
Kristen competitive also on fa’s behalf with Desiree.
Therefore I think it a given during and probably long after reunification
kiara may act out angrily with Terri, over and above the effects of his abrupt cut off
of mother brother and grandparents from her at a tender age after K was kidnapped.
@Gwen and TMH. I agree with all Gwen said, and ATG.
wrt “how a female child is in the best circumstances given his obvious issues.”
Unfortunately asTMH has discovered, Courts and home study assessors (neither parent had a home study
which is unconscionable, because how Billie Bell could asses the best interests of the child without them is beyond me professionally) don’t determine “best circumstances,” in a home study. They assess “stable circumstances” where basic needs (no neglect of basics) have been met. Since Kaine had her longest, and was in the same house and neighborhood, there was no question but that he’d get full custody unless something like beatings or incest was
verified from an independent source. That was 99% of the reason he put her in the neighborhood public school, which now is his strongest argument for continued custody. I would not spin my wheels or attorney $ arguing father has psychological weaknesses to effective parenting. So do most of the men and women in America’s divorce courts. His view or treatment of women is irrelevant to a family court judge. so many men are similar. doesn’t factor in unless he’s homicidal or suicidal, or has a personality disorder so severe it interferes with child’s basic needs (ie housing). Further the caliber of gf’s he exposes her to, like the Harasser, is irrelevant, unless she’s a flaming pothead in k’s presence, and she’s not. Many divorced spouses followup have such weaknesses. The best you can hope for is long weekends, summers, Christmas, etc and some power over education and medical. and to force him to engage her in the childhood activities you would have enrolled her in, team and individual. and to quit dragging her to car shows. they make her feel special (the point of kristen’s award) but are not healthy. again, my opinions, best advisor — Houze. And I’d get her in therapy with a good child psychiatrist, not a flake or lessor credentialed.
@cd. I agree wrt money mongering. GFMe is their sole direct outlet.
But imo SG’s current crusade against Kaine is, as always, driven by Desiree and Kelly.
And I think they are motivated by more than the WoH, which could be an excuse for deeper
rage. My guess is that rage is stimulated when word gets to them he has a new significant woman in his life.
That might also explain Kristen’s May post.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1233033270061601&id=125336750831264
The moderator with a straight face says “the upset” is Desiree was not told at all til after the fact by a supporter.
Duh, had she been told, she’d have dispatched her army of surrogates to act out on the premises with “gathering” artifacts as an excuse to be there. And since she dispatched surrogates to act out in such a way to jeopardize Kaine’s custody RO, he owes her zilch imo. Reaping what’s sown. Hurt feelings seem her norm.
Exactly. And there is not a person i have spoken to that blames Kaine or anyone else for that very reason- look at the response anyway- This is all about the crater element- and of course utilizing the site for a bully pullpit to make criminal allegations against his daughter’s Mother.
B
has it not occurred to any media to ask Desiree
why in 6 years she’d not sallied forth from Medford
to collect, catalogue, & keep all those precious artifacts?
I doubt Briede would’ve wrastled her for them.
I have seen an interview where she stated she “visited the wall all the time.” I was like.. whaa?
So my presumption is she mentioned that in her interviews, thus answering the question.
B
“The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.” Elizabeth Cady Stanton
Just sharing my quotes of the day. Seems appropriate here on many levels.
Here, here.
B
@Rose says:
July 31, 2016 at 1:30 am
Agree. But what I still don’t understand is how a father allegedly at one point using and dealing illegal steroids was given custody of his daughter without so much as a home study. Steroids can cause lethal outbursts when one is angered. I just don’t understand why CPS wasn’t brought in from the get go. Maybe they were and we just aren’t privy, IDK. I think the ship sailed when no one brought in a GAL for that little girl. Just me maybe, but I think things would have gone quite differently, had someone done just that.
*nelmel drops a plate of penne with mushrooms, garlic butter sauce, and chili peppers fried with tomatoes in front of her visiting 18-year old and returns to her laptop…*
Oy. Kyron has two extremely dysfunctional parents. Both KH and DY seem to need full control of whatever situation they are in for different reasons. I feel that DY’s reason is her need to be seen (over her lifetime, I think) as a tragic figure in need of others to constantly fawn all over her. In KH’s case, he’s a wholesale narcissist.
Kyron had one parent (TMH) who understood parenting in its classical western-cultural form.
Kyron had a stepfather who didn’t see him often enough for me to make any judgement calls on how he carries out parenting. I do sense about TY that he would have been already wrapped up in DY’s constant drama (before Kyron was abducted). I know cops in my area and I like them and respect them, and two are family friends, but there is a limit in their training concerning the behavioral sciences unless they receive college level instruction in such courses.
In nearly all 50 states among all courts that deal with child custody (particularly with deeply divisive issues), the only thing that judges really look hard at are food, clothing, shelter, and school attendance, with length of time in the residence (stable address) to wrap that all up. Everything else is pudding flung about the room. A person with deep pockets for an ace lawyer can indeed trash the other parent successfully to keep a child in full time, sole custody, but that is actually rare. People hear about those kinds of cases in the media because they are so dramatic. Most of the time, child custody hearings are rather dull.
In little K’s case, I feel very bad for her. She loses her mother, for no reason whatsoever, to a corrupt LE and court system.
Her father is a preening muscle-head narcissist. Give some thought to the scene changing: KH is a fat, chain smoking, unkempt man with a low paying job. NONE of what has occurred, since he drove TMH out of the family home, would have occurred for him.
But because he is so focused on his physical appearance, (as he sees things) he gets hot looking women to do his bidding (for a while) and then ditches them after finding faults with them that he can’t tolerate, or, such as what I read here concerning KM’s daughters, discovering that there are things being said about him behind his back. Men like KH can’t tolerate violations of their own definition of “loyalty.”
Little K thus has to grow up with serial maternal adults in her life. That, to KH, is “mothering,” because he does not know what “mothering” is. He thinks he does, and that is why he behaves as he does. To him, “mothering” is a set of tasks and is defined by task completion only. He has no concept of the child’s need for an emotional and mentally solid bond with a biological mother, and worse, he has zero ability to recognize the need for the child to have an intellectual connection with a biological mother. To him, all mothers can be replaced, because “all they do is…”
To date after six years, all DY and KH have conveyed to me, as a member of the public who wants their child found, is that they are both incredibly self-absorbed people, and both extremely sneaky. I know I am not the only person who sees both of them this way.
As a p.s. I did not see the KM girls’ tweets, and I am guessing they occurred last year. I was interested in understanding, how bad were they? Would a man who does not hate women, who is not a narcissist, have viewed those tweets the same way? Did I read here (I think it was here) that he had KM move out because of the girls’ Twitter comments? And would a child custody judge be impressed in any direction by those comments?
Hello to TMH, nice to see you posting again.
Nelmel- I invite anyone who wishes to refresh the tweet info to do so- but I would suggest that in summary- they were quite specific as to sexual encounters between Kaine and Kristin that were overheard as they occurred, by more than one of the Hill girls. I doubt very much Kaine even knew about them until they were made public- and in my view from a source (not TMH) was that they reached him via a court appointed person. I personally am not comfortable saying I think the tweets ended the relationship because the older girls were already out by then- but I do believe that it was a factor.
B
@ TMH I would add that given her circumstances from 18 mos onward, K probably has been conditioned to form very loose aquaintances with people in her life as a defense mechanism.
I would be concerned about her teenage years and her sexual encounters given the possibility I stated above. I hope that between all the car shows and safety booths that dad has remembered he has a daughter who didn’t ask for any of this, and has made her feel loved in her own right. (Not suggesting he hasn’t, and we all remember her own roses, but after your removal, this job was now 100% his). So that she doesn’t go seeking “love” in the wrong places and circumstances like many girls with daddy issues do.
Dad probably is subject to intense scrutiny (outward or not) of his parenting by skyline moms. I think that would be a good thing. Also, if I were the mom of K’s classmate, I would be making efforts to invite her over for play dates, fostering friendships etc, to do my part in supplying this child with some normalcy in her life. In a way she is Skyline’s child, as her life has been known to all since babyhood. That may come with the instinct to protect/foster her.
@Blink
Do you think, presuming TMH’s innocence, that if the following distractors hadn’t happened, we would have SZ by now?
1. The doctors appt.
2. The time spent soothing K in truck post FM
3. TMH’s hearing problem and thus poly problems
If your answer is yes, my oh my how the stars aligned for SZ and possible associates that day. Almost too easy.
1. Not sure I understand with what context you are referencing “the Dr. appt”.
2. Yes, but not for why most think, imo.
3. I do not believe TMH E V E R took a polygraph in accordance with the testing protocol for someone with her hearing impairment ( I will be very specific on this in the series).
Very difficult to answer pre-series but great questions.
B
Rose says:
July 30, 2016 at 8:37 am
Just as I suggested Desiree and Kyron share an undifferentiated ego mass (an apology to her is an apology to him and vice versa), in my opinion the same is true of Kaine and his children. What is done to kyron has been done to kiara; what is done to kiara–ie seeing terri–he experiences as done to him. That is why he cannot “give them up”
unkess ordered to share custody. Powell-like? This is not said politically but to illustrate with the familiar: A great example of Murray Bowen’s “undifferentiated famiky ego mass” was the trump chikdrens’ convention & other speeches. Time after time in interviews Jr always says “we” and his content is as if he were his father–we are running fir office, doing thus & that. and in that famiky’s case, mothers come & go too. It is the father & children who are tge ego mass. that k is female is irrelevant.
———————————–
Very well said, Rose. Look at all a child/teen’s developmental stages that get screwed up in order to maintain the unnatural “ego mass”. It’s somewhat easier to see how a parent whom people see as caring could also psychologically harm their child out of desperation to avoid losing what they feel is a part of themselves. I have had brief professional experiences with parent/child relationships like this – and I’ll tell you one thing – the fear and anger that appear at the suggestion of counseling (for any suggested related purpose), is scary. It’s like a grizzly bear mother attacking the shadow of an enemy with all her force when the enemy itself already has a hold on her cub and she doesn’t even see it (as you said, not gender specific).
I don’t hold out much hope for the involved adult to understand and break this chain, although I’d never say “never”, but I do think there is hope for the children who get help. Personally, I believe the best time to get that help is not by a particular age (except age of consent for counseling, as needed), but by the necessity brought on by a crisis of some sort – I would never give up on K sorting it all out. She may become a well-respected psychologist and author someday. (I’m too old to be around for that, just remember, I said so.)
So, so, so completely true.
B
I find it ironic that Medford mama and her soldiers are upset about things being taken off the Wall of Hope at the Edge Gym.
They had no problem gleefully removing a pink heart of ribbons I personally put on the wall several years ago after help creating them with Shriner’s kids and A Mother’s Love… simply because it was ME who put them there.
Karma. It bites sometimes.
frink keeps asserting himself in the press.
wonder what he’s gonna run for?
http://www.wweek.com/uncategorized/2016/07/31/i-wore-a-never-trump-t-shirt-at-the-gop-convention-and-all-i-got-was-this-sense-of-loss/
Desiree’s actual complaint was “it was taken away and we were not given the opportunity to say whether we wanted it taken away.”
Not “they didnt give me an opportunity to pick up what I wanted.”
http://www.kgw.com/mb/news/local/items-removed-from-kyron-horman-wall-of-hope/282864194
Desiree’s hurt was she lacked veto power over wall’s removal.
To be completely honest Rose- I cant believe that people who can’t be bothered to pick up the phone or schedule a meeting for a status update and to progress their sons case are not asked that very question. ie: When you say you would like those items to be available for Kyron when he comes home- what is being done to facilitate that in your view?
B
@TRuth. Bobby O’Donnell had been mcso’s repr on the CAT for 5 years.
imo it was his decision not to call in cps probably on his judgment she was safe with daddy.
MCSO would never disclose to the Portland CAT, CPS, a judge, or anyone else Kaine was involved
in steroids because that’s potentially exculpatory detail not only to wrt Terri but to some eventally charged SZ.
To my knowledge in this jurisdiction, CPS was not called because MCSO was investigating already. I know this protocol to be different in other States.
B
sounds like kzir khan was channeling E Stanton.
I do not think it was specifically because mcso was investigating.
I think it was because the mcso member of the County’s Child Abuse Team
was the assigned detective.
You’ll note in the O today a case that is typical
in all States in abuse cases where the perpetrator was known to be dangerous,
police & a cps worker went together.
(Of course the officer and cps worker were imo criminally negligent and did not follow even
minimal standard practice.)
That joint action is the norm; that was my experience; it apparently is in
Oregon too.
The judgement call of LE alone belonged to
the CAT team head, in this jurisdiction, that ADA Supv
(was her name charlene williams, mbs’ the expert on her).
imo she or Rees or Underhill made the call on no joint
work between the CAT detective and cps in
this instance. Somebody get that internal office email in this case by foia
saying leave it to CAT, no cps…
Imo O’Donnell hornswoggled his then CAT DA supervisir.
O’Donnell was fired by his CAT supervisor prior to the Horman case. I do not know how far in advance of that, however. This would mean CAT had no jurisdiction over the case at any time- it was 100% MCSO with FBI assets and resources in assist mode.
B
@NelMel. the tweet info is not on BoC by and large. Just a bit. It occurred over several years in two twitter accounts each of both older girls. When I stumbled on it, probably just by plugging one girl’s name into google, locating did not take sleuthing or any brains or effort.
One was just gobsmacked in the face.
From a first account, each girl said, change to X next account. It took no trail.
I copied Kiara-Kyron-Horman-relevant quotes and sent PRIVATELY to Blink,
but I assume given her professionalism she got them directly.
Among copious other matters, Child 2 was concerned mother woukd blow it and lose their housing before she finished HS. Imo that meant there were adult disagreements in her hearing, thus k’s. I consider the household tone worse than the sexual noises both daughters referred to. What is “worsetest” is Kaine traded getting babysitting & a beard with sexual benefits for meeting the needs of 3 exceptionally needy females at a time when ALL of his energies shoukd’ve been focused on kiara’s nurturance.
Thank you Rose. Of course I had forgotten I chose not to publish them, but you definitely brought them to my attention. Your summary is best, agreed.
B
thank you for the O’Donnell info.
I do believe it was a choice made in the DA’s Office not to team CPS with any LE agency in charge as joint investigators wrt the children in the home (all 3) which I believe would have been the norm in Oregon as elsewhere as the suit on behalf of the murdered 2 yo mentioned in the O demonstrates.
I don’t see an officer being “fired” from a team but assume that’s a characterization of the CAT head (that supervisory dame, maybe her name was Williams) asking he be reassigned and replaced.
These abuse cases are generally Court-involved and the officers’ primary role is testimony that removes custody temporarily from parents to govt. If he was requested to be reassigned by the Team head, that could only have been in my opinion because his testimony in more than one team case was deemed not credible or not sufficient to establish charges against the parent(s), such that one or more cases fell apart.
I am not a Twitter member.
These tweets were PUBLIC.
“what is being done to facilitate that in your view?
B”
answer:
We raise money to conduct our own searches based on tips received that
duplicate mcso’s as expertly analyzed by Kelly.
And we want on Kaine’s property!!!
I bet she had originally planned to attend the performance,
where she woukd’ve spazzed out at no kyron, due to need to find
the OTC for kiara and due to time spent trying to soothe her by a long
drive on the right type of road (no lights).
Actually none of the parents knew about Kyron’s intended performance, which was actually a duo telling a joke, as I understand it.
There is are more reasons to believe there is no way TMH could have been involved, imo.
B
Not having spent much time digging for these older tweets, I HAVE seen more recent ones, and Wow, what mouths the 2 older girls have! I can now see more about the overall character of mom and daughters. What mom allows their then minor child to drop F bombs like that and openly rant about personal family matters on social media?? Not one I’d want living with my young daughter during formative years, especially when the world is watching. Mark one for KH…not.
1. Admission- I have a serious potty mouth. I am not proud of it, I curtail it effectively in public to the point my kids laugh, but at home and with friends- I have a wide margin for improvement.
2. I have taken the time to teach my kids that their “e” print is forever. If they post it, they may as well put it on a tshirt and wear it around.
3. If Mom pays the bill, Mom is an accepted user on all their accounts- so I can see it. In some cases I have committed not to post anything, but that is my rule.
4. My kids will parrot these phrases- “I am raising a lady and a gentleman in my home- any other breeds are unwelcome and subject to reboot” LOL.
B
One solution to resolve the court missteps is to watch who is on the bench and when the fool judge is moved to another court outside the family court system or he takes another job vacating the court, file a modification suit with the new judge. Another would be to file an appeal, if the appeals court appears to be following the law.
The intervention by MCSO and the DA without charges is sufficient to mount an appeal.
Lol. Yes, this is a practice used by many Attorneys. In certain jurisdictions, however, Judges are required to hear their assigned cases for any matter throughout the pendancy or emancipation of the minor. Meaning, if Judge Y is hearing oral motions on a Monday and Attorney prefers that Judges rulings or has better favor, many attorneys will roll those dice so to speak. I can tell you good attorneys will be very careful about this because if it gets kicked back- it will return to the assigned Judges docket and I have known some, and experienced the depth of their memory, lol. In some jurisdictions, as I believe you are inferring, Judges rotate courts entirely and some with out of jurisdiction issues ( foreign decree) are remanded to courts that do not usually hear family court issues.
Assuming you are discussing the current custody agreement ( to include reunification) the only way to modify it by either party is in MC, and through a modification motion based on a change of circumstances. There is no grounds to appeal the stip by agreement I am aware of.
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Kantor has been on criminal awhile, & before that had another commercial–case he was interested in imo.
I believe with family and criminal work he was rounding out the experience he lacked the last time
Wyden nominated him as 1 of 5 to Fed bench & he lost out. I hope to gosh he doesnt get on Fed bench nor Or Supr Ct. But imo he will unless Wyden is replaced. He asked the Chief Judge for this high profile case and will hold onto it imo. for the publicity.
I recalled based on Blink’s comment she as mom is on social that I didn’t google. I saw Kristin was following Hannah and of course at that time Breeann was as well & I got curious.
Hannah has deleted all Horman refs except Kaine getting a new gun Xmas 15 so she had to do target practice.
I don’t have access to the trial transcript. Therefore there is no way to determine the actors from MCSO or the DA’s office statements to the court and what weight their presence created in the courts decision.
I am thinking that there is reason to believe that there were statements made to disparage Terri that would meet the level of an appeal.
In Texas, the family courts are allowed to hear a suit for modification with a different judge on the bench. This often results in a more even handed order to both parties. Oregon, maybe not.
Technically- on the record, the MCSO nor the MCDA were ever parties to the dissollution nor the custody matter. The very large problem here was what Kantor conversed with both about- off the record.
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It could be in addition to Ellen AG having a nexus with Willamette (no comment til recently) Week via Meeker, she also may have one with Underhill, and thus has informal power with both. I can see him running for AG after her term 2 and seeking her endorsement. And as far as Ellen, before Wyden retires, imo she’ll be versing Kantor for that Fed judgeship. Why would she have wanted WW/Underhill to be in the no comment zone and Underhill to go after Terri by GJ twice? Is she friends with the Rackner family (Laura and her parents)?
If KH moved out of MC jurisdiction, I assume any court pleadings would switch to the county where he lives, right?
Depending on where the child resides (subject to the agreement) primarily, yes. What happens is what is called an entry of a foreign decree and the court must enter it “as is” as to the law and statute of Multnomah County, HOWEVER, if there is any substantive conflict of the rule of law in the new jurisdiction upon motion of either party or the court, the court could amend to reflect same- but in a general sense every jurisdiction is always mandated by the “best interests of the child” standard.
I recall the stipulation verbiage includes MC maintains the jurisdiction of record for any future proceedings, however, that clause does not survive an affirmative relocation order. Which means, if Kaine were to move as the primary parent of residence- he would need to file a motion for relocation first unless TMH agreed to it. It does not matter that she is a resident of of CA- in the court’s eyes, the court can only enforce its order in its own state, it cannot cross state lines.
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The only change of circumstances that woukd force MC Kantor to revisit the
Stip woukd be a caregorical written statement by Reese or Underhill or both
to Houze stating something like the mfh allegation of Mr Sanchez was
determined to be baseless, and that on review of the investigation after 2 GJs did not indict
there is not now and never was probable cause to consider her a person of interest and
moreover the information assembled wrt TMH is exculpatory.
Of course mcso personnel, the DA, and Reese lack the moral fiber to do this when year 1
primary ADA catching blowback would be jeff barker’s daughter, a high level political appointee
of Kitz and Brown. And they would fear a TH suit. In Houze shoes I’d trade a guarantee from TH she would not sue mcso/da thru the S of L period for Federal and State causes. Then I’d use that statement as my change of curcumstances. And get a DIFFERENT Court evaluator than that hack man who did it last time. And insist on
independent home studies.
self corretct : caTegorical statement
In the alternative, to get that mcso/da statement changing the circumstances on which the Court orders alienating kiara from her mother were based, Houze/tmh could enlist the aclu or other (ie Oregon Innocence project)to file Federal suit on Constitutional grounds with part of the settlement goal being the exhoneration in a clear statement,plus monetary damages, and a fund for kiara administered by a GAL or the Courf accessible for mental health treatment recommended by a phtsician over and above father’s ins.
You know, this Kafoury does a lot of good in the world:
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/08/shopper_mistakenly_singled_out.html#incart_2box
Police statement 2 reminds me of useless MCSO/DA speak–except those agencies
haven’t even gotten this far.
Only after she retained Kafoury did LE issue an exhonorating
statement, which ensured, probably as agreed in exchange for the statement,
the sole named plaintiff is Safeway.