Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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re T. Ruth says:
May 9, 2019 at 1:44 pm
spot on analysis Blink.
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Yes, TRuth, I forgot he was a
ServiceMagic or other vendor
she found on line.
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If Kaine had a keyboard tracker on her, he
knew about “the landscaper.” To the extent
he denied knowledge some male with equipment
was pulling up his ratty bushes imo he’s an opportunistic
(I wasn’t told directly so how’d I know?) liar.
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I don’t think RSE was afraid of any entity.
I think he comports with a dr james fallon subject.
Her marriage & prior manshopping post her divorce,
to include cohabiting itself, suffices to show flirtation
with Rudy, including a meal, was not out of her wheelhouse.
Were there others she spurned who might’ve had
revenge in mind prior
to her son’s taking. If so,
Should’ve been mcso POIs, like Rudy.
Lib Dem OR DOJ case posture on appeal, despite Judge’s finding & vic’s family wishes to find true killer, and irrespective of truth & justice, is keep him locked up on grounds of bad character for criminal actions of 30 years ago. https://www.wweek.com/news/2019/05/15/the-oregon-department-of-justice-says-it-will-appeal-federal-judge-magistrates-ruling-that-frank-gable-should-be-released/
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just bought a used book Milena whose writer & her biographical character, Ravensbruck inmates, were the daughter of Martin Buber & the lover of Kafka. Their story gives incredible history of the Sudetenland, Ravensbruck, Prague, Czechoslavakia, Stalin’s Russia,etc. Both were avowed Communist Party members who abjured that membership due to their personal knowledge of Russian govt & Communist lies. That hit me wondering how that differed from US govt officials who lie. One needn’t look to national politics at present when wondering how Americans have become inured to govt employees who lie in their official capacities. I am thinking of MCSO/MCDA who lied to the public and to a County Court in the investigation of this case, justifying it as advancing the investigation. Such affirmative lies to the public taxpayers are analogous to “withholding evidence” (ie existence if the man K left with, Terri’s verified timeline, clearance of Spicher) to “advance the investigation when it’s really self-protective from lawsuits & egg on their face. Any prosecutor who needs withhold facts to maje a case & try a perp is inept. The “we have facts only the real killer will know” withholding is only useful if someone walksin the door yo cop a plea & the the prosecutor doesn’t need it. There should be corroborating facts in evidence. Anyway, morally I can’t see the difference between Russian lies & OR County employee lies in a criminal investigation where an innocent party is sent to a figurative gulag like Spicher.
aughor not dau but daughterinlaw of Buber.
BTW in both ladies’ cases genius teutonic grandfathers took
away their children, having considered their daughters(or dil)
blew it and wanting a new progeny to mold.
Free association w/Melvin Horman.
fyi http://www.actionagainstabduction.org/about-abduction/stranger/
I watched very little of this, but you can chose to watch the arrogant intuitiion-ridden
judge kantor in action if you chose to. https://youtu.be/T0YNAGdkW_w
I bet he feels in his element as “Special Counsel” to OR AG.
The only good thing about US Presidency to me is he won’t
get on Fed Bench.
I know a Judge is a finder of fact as much as
a nury is, but this Judge is not
finding facts tested as evidence
but surmising a story line.
British:
“Stranger danger’ initiatives began in the early 1970s and have long been criticised for failing to keep children safe whilst creating a climate of fear and suspicion. Clever Never Goes has been developed and piloted in eight Hampshire schools to offer a fresh approach to the problem.
Geoff Newiss, Director of Action Against Abduction said “Teaching children simply to avoid strangers doesn’t work. Most strangers will help rather than harm children. Conversely, it is often people known to children that pose the greatest threat.”
Newiss continues: “Clever Never Goes moves the focus away from strangers and instead teaches children to recognise when someone (anyone) is asking them to go with them. We want to give children practical safety skills which they can use as they get older and become more independent.”
http://www.actionagainstabduction.org/new-programme-replace-stranger-danger-launched-amid-new-increase-child-abduction-offences/
ot AG Rosenblum termed a Goldschmidt protege & coverup actor by Commenters
https://www.wweek.com/news/2019/05/15/the-oregon-department-of-justice-says-it-will-appeal-federal-judge-magistrates-ruling-that-frank-gable-should-be-released/
The Marion County Sheriff’s Office is searching for a male who approached a student walking home from school from Mary Eyre Elementary School on Thursday.
“The stranger is reported to have offered the child a ride and continued to follow them after they said no,” said Sgt. Jeremy Landers, spokesman for the Sheriff’s Office, in a press release. “The stranger drove away after the child went inside their home.”
This is the second time this week a stranger has offered elementary school students a ride while students are walking to school, district spokeswoman Lillian Govus said.
A similar incident happened Thursday morning as Englewood Elementary students were walking to school. An adult walking with students confronted the stranger and reported the encounter to police and the school.
(snipped, more @link)
https://www.salemreporter.com/posts/779/sheriffs-office-looking-for-stranger-who-offered-child-ride-home-from-school
@Rose says:
May 17, 2019 at 1:46 am
Man, this just stinks! I find this whole thing unbelievable, and were I that federal judge, don’t know if he can do this or not, but I’d order the whole case be totally reopened, investigated by perhaps the FBI or at the very least some other jurisdiction well away from Oregon. This whole thing just smacks (and keeps smacking!) of cover-up and corruption.
Rose, I agree with you and have thought that, too. Here are my cons to that theory. One, I think about serial killers such as Gary Ridgeway who have had great lapses between killings. For Ridgeway, IIRC he got married and quit killing. Two, the random is much harder to solve, which weighs in more towards random after all these years, although considering MCSO is the lead agency, who knows.
Rose says:
April 30, 2019 at 11:39 am
snip>
the longer there’s no boy followup kidnapping,
the more this looks targeted.
Wow, Rose. I looked up Embassy Enterprises, his fence company. Under new ownership. https://embassyenterprises.com/
Rose says:
May 5, 2019 at 2:39 am
another
born 1968. had moved to Vancouver
as so many have, ie the Skyline SPED
teacher w/the Running Club.
https://www.mylife.com/jason-wishert/e601996297698
April 2019 uninformative obit. Same? http://mobileobits.oregonlive.com/obituaries/oregon/obituary.aspx?n=jason-wishert&pid=192637129&referrer=0&preview=false
Blink, Hope you’re doing better already.
Square One. Did you ever find out if Kaine’s brother had an alibi?
I was told he did- assuming you are referring to June 4 2010, but not independently.
B
Rose, You will not end up the lone blogger like that other mom. You’ve never had a mantra.
Every time I read stories about how “everyone knew” and “turned a blind eye” I just wonder why people don’t speak up or alert authorities. I still maintain that schools, churches and certain other institutions act as sovereign nations when it comes to our laws which is wrong and is usually done to protect the reputation of said institutions. They circumvent procedures we use for investigating and prosecuting criminal acts (think rape on college campuses) and use their own boards and policies to control outcomes and blow of public information and knowledge. This is not fair to the victim or the accused. Makes me wonder what people at PPS knew and didn’t say, or thought they couldn’t say.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ohio-state-officials-failed-to-act-as-doctor-abused-177-athletes-over-nearly-two-decades/ar-AABvCpP?ocid=spartanntp
Typo: That’s blow off public information and knowledge.
Maybe the law needs to be changed.
Convicted sex offender on the ballot for Ore. college board seat
https://komonews.com/news/local/convicted-sex-offender-on-the-ballot-for-ore-college-board-seat
Did anyone else see the photo of DAD in today’s Oregonian? Small article and picture buried in the middle of the paper because of the policeman he shot.
Wonder where he is? Am sure his family knows.
Jim Redden was a familiar name back in 2010.
Wonder why investigative reporting of Kyron’s abduction and the
foibles of mcso/da never caught on with Redden, Stanford, Budnik &
others like Gable/Franke? Could it be (to borrow Janet whatsis’ fav phrase)
because both bios said “case solved Terri did it,”
but in Franke’s case the vic’s
relatives said Not the Perp?
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/426354-332844-the-long-haul-toward-justice#sidr-main
@Rose says:
May 19, 2019 at 11:01 pm
Agreed.
Couple that with a LEO also saying in the very beginning “If not Terri, then who?”, while talking on national television about how “nervous” TMH was about losing her privacy, etc. “Something wasn’t right”, etc. And don’t forget, if you questioned any of the parents, you got thrown out of the press conferences all together. All conferences were scripted as far as I can see. The question is why and by whom? Who had something to hide?
Frankly, after nine years, one would think someone would be asking questions such as, “If Terri, why no arrest?” WTH is going on? Two grand juries, where’s the Not a True Bill? Why wasn’t the school held accountable? etc. One would think Kyron’s school project was on “crickets” instead of tree frogs. The silence from LE is deafening and has done this case and the community a disservice.
@T. Ruth says:
May 21, 2019 at 1:29 pm
I think it was Tony that said “If not Terri, then who?” This was someone who had not been in Kyron’s life very long and I doubt very often because of distance.
There were human remains found it Portland. I doubt it is Kyron but I still think of him every day.
https://www.koin.com/news/local/multnomah-county/human-remains-in-fairview-under-investigation/2017810421
Recently I read an article on msn and it stated how Desiree suspected Terri from the first phone call because she did notsound right and said so all the way to Portland convincing Tony.and yet she did not want the FBI.WHY I ask
ot “Facebook said that a video doctored to depict ….will remain on the social network because false information alone does not violate the site’s rules” (Politico) How often have we seen False Information on criminal investigatikns, incl Kyron, barfed out on FB & credulously believed? What should regulation (with criminal penalties) look like?
Interesting RedRose that the FBI seems to believe DAD is still out there somewhere.
The FBI is asking the public for tips about a 2011 shooting which left a Lincoln City police officer critically injured and the suspect missing. The agency is highlighting the case, along with several other fugitive cases across the U.S., in honor of National Police Week, which honors officers killed or injured while on duty.
The FBI is still looking for David Anthony Durham, who allegedly shot and badly wounded a Lincoln City police officer in January 2011 after the officer pulled him over for speeding. According to federal court documents and FBI wanted posters, Durham told the officer he was on his way to a military base in California, and was wearing green camouflage clothing and a dark-colored beret.
(snipped, more @link)
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2019/05/fbi-asks-public-for-tips-about-fugitive-in-2011-officer-shooting-in-lincoln-city.html
Also interesting that the FBI tweets about Kyron two days after the DAD article.
https://katu.com/news/local/kyron-horman-fbi-tweet-ahead-of-national-missing-childrens-day
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Does the FBI think perhaps there could be a connection after all?
speaking of DAD, I’m sure I’ve looked him up on the internet at least 100 times, and I don’t recall ever seeing this:
David Durham Patriot
David Durham Patriot
Duration:
30s
Uploaded:
26 Jan, 2011
Category:
News & Politics
Thank God for this brave hero Colonel David “The Man” Durham, Hope you keep up the good work of protecting women and children from the pig creeps!
https://radaris.com/~David-Durham/1691899946
(scroll down to videos and images)
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Apparently from a youtube posted on the above date. WTH? It was also linked on WS back then, but I don’t recall ever seeing that before, do you?
@erose. Random. serial killer. If so I suggest someone who knew the immediate radius of the school well, ie grew up there, or lived nearby. Meticulously planned, as Blink said. and disposed of the body nearby quickly, didn’t travel with him. He knew how to defeat cadaver dogs searching the radius. Here’s one way: old pipes in the ground: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ebby_Steppach (found with robot camera exam deep in pipe)
Another, old septics in the ground. Or, thinking of Tosca, in a well niche. Wouldn’t expect mcso to use robot cameras to meticulously examine old wells, pipes & septics in a 3 mi radius of school.
Mcso needs a different hi tech way of examining disposal structures that impede dogs’ scent work in a certain radius of a crime scene. these men seem to love their sniffer dogs & understand them better than robotic mini cameras.
ot previous owner apparently ran it into ground.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/pdx.eater.com/platform/amp/2015/2/23/8094885/skyline-taverns-new-lease-on-life
https://skytav.com/#about
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stumbled on it looking for decade-old story there was an old well on Skyline soccer field covered over when it was renovated. imo lawn-mower might’ve known of it, or neighbors who went to school there.
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looking at area homes, many had wells. Some sales say: new well & septic. I think the Rev put in new septic, idk well, when he & his “home church” bought & rehabbed the church.
Could the lawn mower at work
be seen from school windows &
area or did schrubs obscure?
I want to say the fields and side yard were overgrown and not cut until post Kyron’s disappearance.
B
ot https://newsregister.com/article?articleTitle=did-oregon-miss-chance-to-stop-a-serial-killer–1368558730–7797–
good color pic of Skyline.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Skyline+Elementary+School,+11536+NW+Skyline+Blvd,+Portland,+OR+97231/@45.6075167,-122.8569866,17z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x549506e32655a947:0xc20defba8423150e?hl=en
abutting farming visible: dust, chemicals.
clear pic of lawn mower Stenson, 63 then & now elderly:
http://www.planbband.xbuild.com/who-we-are/4594087568
I think the write up of the field rehab that mentioned a well
covered under new sod must’ve been in 2008 or 2009 pta
minutes or newsletters. can’t find it.
Hey, Blink, what do you think or know about when Kyron exited the K/1 teacher’s room with Suspect 0, to help him carry something in, did they likely turn right to rear of school & an informally parked vehicle, or left which would send them down to Skyline Blvd or across the front of the school to regular parking, or straight ahead down to the road or track circling the soccer field?
To my knowledge and sources, there is no person that actually witnessed Kyron leave with anyone, and the last sighting has him out the door as I have been reporting for years. I dare say it is the cornerstone of why this case is so unsolveable.
B
a 2018 geologic map of Skyline area. No doubt ATG could
make something interesting of it. https://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/ofr20181044
a voice in the wilderness.
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Aug 2018
https://pamplinmedia.com/ht/117-hillsboro-tribune-news/402688-299482-annual-kyrons-car-show-keeps-missing-son-in-public-eye
“”We still have multiple detectives, I still get a briefing at least once a month, the sheriff’s office, the FBI is still involved,” he said. “We still have some folks out at Portland Police and we have some retired folks still in, so there is still a significant number of investigative resources.””
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I don’t like him.
what he says about kiara re brother applies to her mother.
“And the hard part for me, too, when I look at my daughter, he’s been missing for almost her entire life, she doesn’t know any different, she doesn’t remember him.” That was his objective with her loving, nurturing mother. What matters to hkm apparently is genes. Did he get a paternity test in his first divorce?
@RedRose. DAD did not appear in the digital edition.
Like you I think he’d have contacted family
were he alive (and they would’ve gotten him help:
attorney & treatment.) ergo, I think he drowned.
He was way too mentally disorganized & delusional
to have successfully escaped w/out a trace &
established a new independent life.
Well, I’m sorryish, but is Olivia Singer a high school intern from Caitlin Gabel? https://pamplinmedia.com/ht/117-hillsboro-tribune-news/402688-299482-annual-kyrons-car-show-keeps-missing-son-in-public-eye
Maybe Maggie Haberman can mentor her.
Who briefs you Kaine? (name)
What sorts of info do these briefings address? (ie searches, suspects??)
What are these “multiple detectives’ names? (follow up w/calls to them)
“The FBI is still involved.” How? What exactly have they done in “investigating”? What are they doing now?
Please name “ some folks out at Portland Police” and what are they tasked with now. Who supervises them?
Please name “e some retired folks still in”. What is their role? Who supervises them?
re “New private searches will also begin again soon, Horman said.” What does PRIVATE searches mean? Who funds them? Who staffs them? What are the search parameters criteria?
It’s like Oliver was The View.?
typo: Olivia
is say like a View panelist
intimidated by an histrionic
panelist. (not that I watch it but
Twitter has excerpts). ——
men are not supposed to be
histrionic btw. send
KH the memo.
So Blink, my overriding Qs from your never-see-the-light-of-day
Terri interview UNLESS (?) is James was moved & Kyron scheduled to see his Dr post-Kristian’s criminal issue which revealed a generational hx of adult family male on minor male abuse of Kristian, and special ed trained Terri would immediately know Kaine was likely also a victim as his brother was, and she then would’ve questioned both boys about any sexualized chit chat or touching with Kaine. So did you address this risk factor & her work with both boys with her?
I did. I would add that I am not going to be more specific but Kaine was not the only one of Kyron’s caregivers that had a history tangentially or other of child sexual abuse. She was the one who scheduled the dr appt for Kyron for concern of his behavior/mood/physical being.
B
Kate Brown signs anti Public Child Safety measure to save State payroll $. https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/05/kate-brown-signs-lower-caseworker-degree-requirements-into-law.html
Should have an MSW with a speciality in Child Welfare.
Bet the State Manual doesn’t require substantial training in best child protection practices (in lieu of formal education) for these ill-educated AAs.
Low totem pole nonprofessional, nonlicensed personnel are a gateway to opportunistic pedophiles gaining access to vulnerable foster care/ cps child population. And the key State testifying witness in child neglect cases will be made mincemeat by parent defense attorneys.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/kyron-horman/fbi-seeks-help-with-kyron-horman-case-2-more-oregon-cases-on-national-missing-childrens-day/283-708de8af-d955-49c6-bd01-384dc645432c
Yup.
Thanks for posting Tarheel. Believe me now any naysayers? I am seriously hopeful any person or persons who may know something will now feel comfortable submitting any tips.
B
glad to see that sinus rhythm.
darn shame he never got to the doctor appointment.
At one time Kaine alleged he didn’t know about it but I bet he did.
Kyron’s teacher knew about it & perhaps other school personnel.
Do you think it was in those emails to Desiree? Terri
could’ve taken 2 tacks: play it close to the vest til after the apptment
which would be smart in a possible abuse unknown caregiver situation,
or tell folks in K’s environment to “gather information.” I bet the latter
because she’s a talker & that would’ve professional in a
@TRuth. Wouldn’t take more age match David Michael Durham of
Beaverton (formerly Hillsboro & Indiana) than David Anthony
Durham. I can’t get to the quote on Radaris tho on phone.
@ oldladysmith says:May 22, 2019 at 9:16 pm
Recently I read an article on msn and it stated how Desiree suspected Terri from the first phone call because she did notsound right “
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/comment-page-120/#comment-2263732
If my 7 year old son had disappeared from school & was missing I wouldn’t sound right either. Lame reasoning from Desiree.
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Just as lame as Tony’s
Ode says:
May 22, 2019 at 11:13 am
@T. Ruth says:
May 21, 2019 at 1:29 pm
I think it was Tony that said “If not Terri, then who?”
I copied this stuff below about a month ago thinking the convictee’s family & friends had lots of motive to hurt Tony’s Medford “child.” I’m not rereading but Tony had the same approach. If not this guy then who? He said he sat in front in Trial 2 determined to get this guy convicted. His evidence was the guy had bought a knife recently (which couldn’t be found), and he was one of many at the scene of a melee in which a “White Son of Medford” was stabbed. Though another participant verifiably had & wielded a knife, Tony’s deal was he had the “Who” despite no credible eyewitness or physical evidence and some exculpatory evidence.
https://casetext.com/case/state-v-salas-juarez-2
https://mailtribune.com/archive/missing-one-murder-weapon
https://mailtribune.com/news/crime-courts-emergencies/witnesses-describe-fatal-clash-as-chaotic
https://mailtribune.com/archive/guilty-again
https://theworldlink.com/news/local/police-comb-rooftops-for-old-murder-weapon/article_0e464353-e653-5aee-a367-c0edfe0bfe71.html
https://www.argusobserver.com/news/southern-oregon-police-comb-rooftops-for-old-murder-weapon/article_289e2463-1ef8-5518-acd8-873ecdaf554f.html
https://mailtribune.com/archive/man-that-defense-claims-is-real-killer-testifies
note right up front in trial 1, Lead Det Young offered his
gut opinion as “evidence”, imo coloring the trial.
https://casetext.com/case/state-v-salas-juarez-2
“the last sighting was him out the door”
It is a fallacy imo to believe the only alternative was Kyron
drove off with his abductor. This highly organized predator
likely did dispose of him near the school & quickly, and if
local (or prescouted), knew of pipes, old septic tanks, & abandoned
wells that would defeat scent & cadaver dogs & mystify mcso who believed
he’d been driven away.
pointing out the only other caregivers besides the Moultons
known publically are the Davidson-Young family systems.