Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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interestingly Olsen was born in Seattle
& lives in rural WA. Morris resides & consults
with aspiring writers in Seattle.
“Logan Storm was a middle school teacher when he committed this offense,” she said. “He intermingled classroom photos of the very children he was entrusted with teaching into slide shows containing images of child sexual abuse and exploitation.” Storm’s offense was “particularly egregious,” she added, because “he twice fled the country, once shortly after officers served a search warrant at his house, and again only hours after the jury convicted him.”
https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/former-teacher-logan-storm-sentenced-prison-possessing-child-pornography-and-failing
Not yet Rose, but if this is him, he’s close to getting paroled.
LOGAN STORM
Register Number: 73774-065
Age:
43
Race:
White
Sex:
Male
Located at: Lompoc FCI
Release Date: 01/09/2020
https://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/
joint jurisdiction is possible in a child disappearance
https://www.google.com/amp/s/baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/06/28/fbi-investigating-noah-tomlin-missing/ampilf
good opening statement explaining a case built on circumstantial evidence alone:
https://famous-trials.com/lizzieborden/1455-jenningsstatement
under indicia of guilt section, the lead is “If not her, who?”
note: Result was acquittal. I expect Multnomah jurors, unlike Medford’s,
would do same.
interesting reads https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/5a4vtm/the_kyron_horman_case_part_1/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrimeDiscussion/comments/5fmjni/the_kyron_horman_case_part_2_xpost_from/
Lol, yes, not very big on sourcing their information there, are they?
B
Hi erose
I wonder how reliable that site is, because now it says this:
LOGAN STORM
Register Number: 73774-065
Age: 43
Race: White
Sex: Male
Located at: Lompoc FCI
Release Date: 11/14/2019
https://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/
IDK, did he just get two more months off for good behavior?
1. ANY INDIVIDUAL (to include a minor child), other than a Skyline Student, who you have reason to believe was on the campus between 8-12 on June 4 but is not on this list; and 2. ANY INDIVIDUAL who is on the list but who you have reason to believe was not on campus during that time.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/07/kyron-horman-disappearance-exclusive-three-part-series-debuts-on-blink-on-crime/comment-page-2/
This has always bugged me. What was the task force looking for here?
Is it possible they were looking at either “couples” who were there, but really only one of them was, and one was covering for another who really was not there? Or is it possible it wasn’t a “couple” but a parent perhaps covering for their minor child, who was not or was no longer a student there? And said relative/friend needed an alibi to actually be there at the school? I’m sure LE did finally get plenty of video and photos of the science fair doings. Is it possible someone on the list doesn’t show up in anyone’s photos anywhere, but his/her partner/child/relative does, sans them?
Why else would LE ask for this info, if they didn’t suspect someone may have been covering for someone who wasn’t even there? IDK, just bugs me. Still. Someone who was supposed to be THERE, between 8 and noon, but was not.
Someone make this make sense to me.
A variety of reasons to request that info, but the answer to your question “generally” is that the query confirms that there ARE reports of a person or persons that have not been identified to date. They were looking to establish a timeline that can be corroborated or frankly, correlated, to other independent evidence. Do you remember when Staton put out a public comment re “seeing Kyron later at the school than they originally thought? I believe it was in some sort of interview re his concern they may be headed in the wrong direction or words to that effect. He also said something about keeping some BAU profilers working with MCSO.
Let me say that I have no idea if Staton was a complete Ahole mysogenist racist idiot- that is for others to weigh out and decide. But from my work on this case over 9 years, I DO believe the start of his undoing was when he believed the FBI when he was told they believed Terri Horman was not involved. And THAT opinion was without the benefit of key evidence in the case, like, for example, that it was incontrovertible that Terri and Kiara left the school without Kyron.
To the best of my recollection, this information was also sought at a time when MCSO was still convinced (in light of above, although that information was NOT shared with any of the task force)that DDS must have been the missing link although releasing an actual flyer with her picture did not prompt a single lead.
I wish I could make sense out of the non sensical for you my dear T Ruth. That said, I will never understand what the actual point is to create a task force and not provide the verified facts of the case to them in brief.
B
Possible scenario at the sci-fair, that might make LE ask that question:
Assume LE was interested in someone being spotted in the parking lot between 8 and noon.
Spouse/Parent #1 goes in and tours, while Spouse/Child #2 waits out in the car. When questioned, Spouse/Parent #1 says Spouse/Child #2 was with them the whole time.
Agreed as possible. Reminder that for the most part, the majority of the field interviews of children were conducted by CARD and/or the FBI agents with specific training. That is until a few years ago when the empaneled grand jury was hearing the case and MCSO investigators re interviewed a few of the (then) child witnesses – in some cases literally telling them that there “versions” were incorrect. True Story.
B
great focus on review TRuth/Blink. I don’t think Staton was a
complete Ahole mysogenist idiot. I am confident some of
his leadership supervising or representing this case were & are.
Never fear, Soldier avers she is gonna get DDS & Teri
arrested if it’s her last act in life.
T. Ruth says:
July 6, 2019 at 11:46 am
Hi TRuth, Interesting and who knows how that site really works. (He hasn’t been able to reoffend and I wonder if that makes him even more of a suspect in Kyron’s case.) I watched a show (murder mystery) awhile back about ankle monitors and I can’t cite the show, but the bottom line is that no one proactively monitors them. Shocker, but they are retroactively investigated after a crime if the parolee was in the vicinity of a crime. We all have a false sense of security when someone is released with one. Hopefully they do more than that when Storm is released.
Hi erose
I wonder how reliable that site is, because now it says this:
LOGAN STORM
Register Number: 73774-065
Age: 43
Race: White
Sex: Male
Located at: Lompoc FCI
Release Date: 11/14/2019
https://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/
Why Desiree, who has imo unfailingly acted out bad advice from bad advisors,
wants an FBI lead with Federal charges in Oregon. the death penalty difference.
Note the Federal charge: kidnapping resulting in death.
Why the book rather than pushing change of jurisdiction?
Imo it’s all about her, as it was since he was an infant.
and $ are a mighty distraction.
https://news.wttw.com/2019/06/14/brendt-christensen-death-penalty-trial-illinois
OR has a death penalty morritorium; Fed govt does not & acts in this specific scenario.
“MCSO investigators re interviewed a few of the (then) child witnesses – in some cases literally telling them that there “versions” were incorrect. True Story.
B” http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
oughta be fired.
I do, but thank you.
B
Remember when we thought of Kaine installing a keystroke thingie on the home computer? He apparently even in 2010 had access to so much more if he cared to use it. Teri should scrub her phone.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613915/stalkerware-apps-are-letting-abusive-partners-spy-on-their-victims/
Storm expressed great grievance with being charged,
saying porn did not make him a pedophile. He was of
the school that porn is OK, just another means of
expressing one’s sexuality & should not be criminalized.
Doubt his mindset changed in the pokey.
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I saw an ad from a security guard co on tv, & I thought again Kyron’s kidnapper profile includes someone working in that field. Need not be police or sheriff. Could be with a security guard firm or a facility with its own guards such as a U campus or a hospital, like where Quick Draw Rev (who bought, rehabbed, & sold the church) was employed & in charge. He had also been a teacher of kids that age (in martial arts). Doubt it was him—but someone like him. He also used the internet fluently. The SZ had a personal commanding manner such that the teacher, adults in room, & Kyron deferred to him. Desiree’s Stranger Danger talk was irrelevant to this kidnapper.
O/T EPSTEIN. So much to say and much more to learn, but there were female recruiters! I have been wondering how these teenage girls ended up with Epstein; were they runaways, homeless, parentless, apparently not. Other women led them, taught them, used them. Nothing is unbelievable, but this is close.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/following-epsteins-arrest-spotlight-shifts-to-financiers-longtime-associate-11562881299
After he dodged that mess in Fla- serves to reinforce what I have been taught and have passed on here- sexually motivated offenders are not rehabilitatable. They are always offending or planning offense, end of story. NOT a political conversation, but his charges and plea at the State level need a thorough evaluation.
B
Re: “TRuth says:
July 6, 2019 at 1:07 pm
1. ANY INDIVIDUAL (to include a minor child), other than a Skyline Student, who you have reason to believe was on the campus between 8-12 on June 4 but is not on this list; and 2. ANY INDIVIDUAL who is on the list but who you have reason to believe was not on campus during that time.”
I thought maybe 1 referred to the neighbor/acquaintance/soccer mom w/alcohol problem who was not at the SciFair but apparently visited the front desk, maybe with an older child with problems. & maybe 2 referred to SPED staff, at least head & a para who were out of the bldg that am & there was a para sub.
Heck, I’d have been scrubbing all bldg subs.
Rose says:
July 8, 2019 at 9:31 am
-snip
Why the book rather than pushing change of jurisdiction?
Imo it’s all about her, as it was since he was an infant.
and $ are a mighty distraction.
————
JMO
I think DY is planning for a civil suit first. As for the change of jurisdiction what would they tell the court was the reason. “We need to change jurisdiction because people in Portland might be to liberal to convict Teri”
The book will…..
1. Influence jurors
2. Maybe pay for a Tort lawyer/suit/detective
3. And give donations to charity
CD, If you mean civil tort vs Terri, that ship sailed when she withdrew her civil suit many years ago. At the time, I posted that the suit was dismissed with prejudice, which means it cannot be refiled. It is my personal opinion that previous suit served to develop a great deal of exculpatory evidence for TMV.
B
Rose says:
July 8, 2019 at 9:31
-snip
Why Desiree, who has imo unfailingly acted out bad advice from bad advisors,
wants an FBI lead with Federal charges in Oregon. the death penalty difference.
Note the Federal charge: kidnapping resulting in death.
Why the book rather than pushing change of jurisdiction?
———-
Disregard my comment about jurisdiction somehow I got jurisdiction mixed up with the venue for any potential trial.
“2. ANY INDIVIDUAL who is on the list but who you have reason to believe was not on campus during that time.”
*********
I should have made myself more clear. This ^^^ is the part of the task force inquiry that befuddles me.
When this list came out, TF knows this:
1. A kid has gone missing from the school “campus” (which would include all school property, including parking area) between the hours of 8 and noon.
2. TF publishes a list of people who are listed as present that day.
(I would assume that information came from the people on that list that who actually said they were indeed there that day, being as there was no sign-in sheet, right?. I would further assume that teachers/staff would have somehow clocked in that day.)
So the TF generates the list of people the TF says were there that day. I totally get why they would ask everyone/anyone if they saw someone in attendance who was not on said list.
But, WHY would they be concerned at this point about an individual who was NOT physically on campus during that same time period?
Maybe they think Kyron was levitated off campus from afar. As in “beamed up” somewhere, and they’re trying to figure out who was the off-campus “beamer”. LOL
Not trying to be funny really, I just have never understood this question. The only thing I can come up with is someone is covering for someone, but using the cover of something like, “Of course I was there at the school, where else would I be?”, when they were not, says what?
Does this perhaps tell us that the TF knew (or suspected) that a crime was committed by someone on this list that was committed somewhere away from the school during those hours? Perhaps a crime in addition to a child’s abduction? And maybe had some correlation to this child’s abduction? IDK, makes me crazy to this day, and just reminds me of how freakin’ confusing almost every thing LE has told us was and remains.
Yes, T.ruth, imo that carefully worded inquiry was designed to seek information about when a person on that list was seen potentially, and then were not. More to the point, was someone on that list seen at display x, but then no independent witness accounts after that? It was an attempt to establish a timeline as well as potentially establish he veracity of a witness or witnesses own recollections, as well as the possibility of corroboration of others. That said, a note on this- it is my understanding that nobody from the TF was ever told that it was verified (multiple eyewitness and other evidence) that Kyron remained at the school after Terri and Kiara left.
Blink:
What we know—
Kyron left Mathews’ room w/unknown
male to “help carry” & did not reappear.
Terri is ruled out by timeline appearances.
Nothing assoc w/Kyron has been found.
Every family member, steps & bios,
have heightened risk factors—family & friends.
Where can this go from here?
The FBI. Honest answer.
B
out of State SOs needn’t register in NM.
https://news.yahoo.com/epstein-investigation-moves-mexico-zorro-185924099.html
any chance one of the teachers had an old conviction Blink?
Not that I am aware of Rose- but you saw the coverage (Frink is now on board as a non lawyer). How would one even get that information as part of a constantly protected personnel file?
B
my opinion: MCSO would never seek a change of venue.
TMV defense would never seek a change of venue. & a
Multnomah would not grant if asked.
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Why the book? Imo very simple: NPD.
altho it might be BPD, now functioning with structure.
Reflect for a moment how polar opposite Policeman Tony & his social system are from the man she left her kids to take off to Blaine, WA with. What structure she has in Medford by comparison. And how different Tony has been from allegedly sleep-around Kaine. and from Greg—lover of a certain local rock culture his poster collections reflect.
ot
fyi
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/missing-in-america/police-investigate-possible-connection-between-several-missing-women-n371821
Does anyone think it’s possible that Terri is having communication with her daughter but no one is saying anything to protect her from crazy soldier? What’s to stop her from harassing Kaine at his house if that were true?
The PPS’ contractees, of whom imo Frink was a Junior member despite his age, published its report in 2018. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/education/2018/05/damning_report_shows_portland.html%3foutputType=amp
The OR article announcing its inception in 2017 said the Group’s task was limited to systemic recommendations & Whitehurst, be forward-looking, & not delve into other past perpetrators & assault claims.
I will never understand how a 7 year old is abducted from a public school but remains missing 9 years on and there is no similar “investigation” when both teachers and students gave depositions and testified before a grand jury.
After a 1,964 mi cross country drive recently in a 220,000 mi car and apparently sending it to a transmission & rear joint death, for the next 650 mi drive (diff car) I went to the library for audiobooks, & thank goodness found Preet Bahrara’s which I had bought but not read.
Today I reached disc 4 of 27. I had my dau note several reverberations with this case/investigation.
on disc 1/track 8 he explores “positive bias”
on 1- track 6 he goes into tunnel vision from an investigation’s inception altho he doesn’t usethat term
on disc 2- track 1 he addresses “confirmation bias”
on disc 2 track 3 he hoes in to “failure to reconsider” (MCSO’s MO)
On that disc he goes into the brandon mayfield case which occurred with
confirmation bias playing a role in the arrest of a Portland attorney. Learned many details.
Interestingly SDNY wrestled the OR US Attorney for the case, but due to slick
behavior—one might even say underhanded— Immergut bested him at at an arrest Preet learned about from the newspaper, and did he later become glad.
immergut, oregon US attorney, had a “Republican” history serving on Ken Starr’s thingie & appointed as US Atty, OR by Ashcroft. While apparently Immergut got the FBI fingerprint shop blamed (OIG DOJ report), and one infers the FBI arresting shop was lame (Portland Field Office), the truth is the grabbing of jurisdiction & decision to charge was hers. So it is no surprise her way forward was to get herself put on the circuit bench in Multnomah County & stay in Portland. This place.
@macncheese. I see Blink didn’t opine. But imo no way in hell TMV is seeing or has seen kiara. Judge Kantor’s approach & resolution was highly suspect & politically motivated period, even where a parent was refusing a psych exam. (Personally, I see no grounds where an opposing divorce attorney could get a psych on her alone rather than both reciprocally.) He now has a payoff gig in Ellen Rosenblum’s Office (no doubt for other local party line rulings). No reputable MSW imo would have put forth that plan. 1) there was no evidence presented in the record by mcso or father TMV had any incident of violence or abuse of any kind of any person to include Kaine. In fact it was pretty clear he was an emo abuser. 2) all parenting evidence of an msw had done field interviews was the converse re both kids. 3) mere time & place separation does not argue for a wierd sliding scale reunion such as might be used in the adoption of an older foster kid. Look at the Border parent-child lengthy separations. A competent MSW would want to get them back together asap, not delay. Kaine’s argument was: Mo/dau haven’t seen each other so they shouldn’t see each other. Hallmark thinking of a Borderline: complete cutoffs, never see each other again. all good to all bad.
Think of it, Kaine’s roped in 3 mothers for 2 kids, serially.
in point 2, “if” should read “of”.
One wonders what Kaine might have done if in a divorce a Judge granted TV primary
residential custody of her 2 yo, as was probable. Altho, that’s what DY initially had.
Imo DY had more likely than not mentioned to Kaine TV had asked her to vie for
K’s residential custody with a What’s Up. He knew a divorce was coming,
along with child & spousal support, & that Terri
would testify for Desiree if she ever challenged custody.
The only intervenor was the abduction.
Preet Bharara told a long tale on say disc 3 to emphasize anyone no matter how well groomed, urbane, likeable, & accomplished is capable of anything & never to rule out a party with a nexus no matter how innocently they present.
He also tells many tales about the prowess of specific SDNY investigators.
I doubt he’d approve of much of MCDA’s process nor of the work of that
office’s investigators or mcso’s “detectives.”
He is also big on not ruining potential suspect’s reputations gratuitously.
I hinted about this sort of “difference” between the edicts of Fed prosecutors vs State prosecutors. I don’t mean procedurally- only Fed court is completely uniform across the US.
B
You know, another Kaine argument at divorce time was Kiara had a fulltime mother figure & to introduce Terri would confuse her. I wonder how he explained to kiara that mother moving to OK when he moved in yet a third mother.
You know, for reasons that are still unclear to me (unless they are) Kaine pretty much does whatever he wants.
B
ot
oh Darn.
I just wondered tonight why she’d not been on McGahn’s Federal Bench list, & she was in fact—early on.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/portland/2018/06/multnomah_county_judge_karin_j.html%3foutputType=amp
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As reasonable as Heidi getting on the Multnomah bench despite her first murder case, a failure for which she was panned by the jury for racist behavior, followed by her getting an animal case, then she was the first and year + primary atty on Kyron case, embedded w/mcso for a year.
The other puzzle besides an apparently failed (by my Oregonian reading) lower tier ADA who was first rescued to a plum Gov office political job, then made a Multnomah Judge without any other trial or Courtroom experience by Brown, is her husband. A longer term & more seasoned ADA, nevertheless hired on in a typical “bailout from Salem for big bucks” political-strings type job, Dir of Public Safety, now U Veep w/same job, at OSHU. Both based on entry qualifications when hired could only be due to her Beaverton Pops, Barker. I hope she doesn’t handle criminal trials; the DA knows her work history/weaknesses.
“Where can this go from here?
The FBI. Honest answer.
B”
Well, the Portland Field Office appears politicized & inept, and
thus it would have to be a specialized unit at Hdqtrs.
That may be true, but as they pulled out because they did not condone tactics AND they did not and DO NOT agree that Terri is the de facto suspect I hold out hope. They also thought the whole DDS thing was ludicrous. While the FBI will only say they had an assist role in the case initially- they were on the ground in the early hours of June 5th and had an assigned agent to Terri 24/7 until the failed sting. There IS an offender profile in this case developed by BAU that has never seen the light of day that I know of.
B
re T. Ruth says:
July 14, 2019 at 12:12 pm
Keep in mind at this time the TF was wholly focused on THV period &
was trying to pin down her timeline. They were not fishing for a SZ.
I have gotten to disc 5 of Preet.
Learned why 2008 failed bank fat cats were not charged.
Alluded to why someone like Trump was not charged—apart from OLC opinion.
Disc 5 is on investigations & charging. Turns out he starts w/investigatory acts
are making an “investment”, & line level investigators want a return on their investment..kinda like mcso. Also explains why the new DA that Soldier pleads for is never gonna charge Terri period, not matter how process-faulty mcda office is.
ot
anyway disc 5 indirectly explained to me why Mueller made the decisions he did (silence on charg(able) & why the silence) and why the current AG’s actions on that did not reflectSDNY or FBI culture—and as preet makes the point, neither did Comey. A great education on ethical investigations & charging decisions. Now I’ll shut up or there are 22 more discs to blather on.
This is re the under 400 page book or something else? Thanks for recommending Rose, I may put this on my list. I am also interested in the compare/contrast of the Fed prosecutor “edict” vs that of the State. I have professional observations and opinions naturally, but looking for something objective, lol.
His book, which I bought but didn’t read.
The audio book is to die for content-wise
& more digestible & entertaining. He reads.
I got at library. Very enlightening re DOJ & FBI
investigations & techniques & good LE generally.
Thank you Rose, I am always interested in those shared experiences for myself and readers.
B
Preet uses actual cases thruout, Ir is case intensive. & iirc by disc 5 of 27 he’s addressed Fed v State jur issues wrt charging. (incl a no of NY State govt corruption cases). He addresses use of informants (who are grievous criminals) by cases too. The SDNY investigators were generally ret’d NY detectives.
Is there ever a time that FBI will say “hey this police department’s tactics are not working so we are taking over this case?” Why would unsolved homicides and kidnappings not automatically be pushed up to FBI if not solved within a certain period of time (whether that be 2 years, 10 years, or whatever)? How unfair that cases are not solved, and children are not found, because a police department is allowed to operate at such a low level. When the parents fail you and the police department fails you…where is the accountability?
To my knowledge, the only time the FBI can “take over” a case is if they are asked to by the agency of criminal jurisdiction, OR if the CAJ agrees to such a request prompted by a victims family ( likely only from next of kin/ guardian). AND there is no other reason to preclude their leadership of the investigation. Even if the CAJ was under FBI investigation itself (ie: some permutation of corruption) is not enough to “force” the FBI to take over a case. The FBI WAS requested to assist in Kyron’s case- specifically CARD was deployed and all I am willing to say publicly about that is that currently the FBI does NOT agree with some material aspects of the MCSO investigation and previously they made Staton aware of that.
B
Kyron was imo most unlucky in his parents. It was vital mcso separate out TV & brand her the Abductor or otherwise she’d have voluably criticized mcso & advocated for a proper investigation. I bet she’d delayed the divorce until he could be resettled, but she finally realized Desiree would never file for custody. She clearly did not want to leave her psychological son in Kaine’s hands. It had been to Desiree’s advantage to leave TV in the daily mother responsibility role so imo the pending divorce would leave her most upset.
Is the BAU
offender profile similar to yours?
I can’t answer that except to say that the FBI typically does not provide their field profile directly to investigators. I am comfortable saying that the FBI does no concur with the track of the investigation, among other things.
re “You know, for reasons that are still unclear to me (unless they are) Kaine pretty much does whatever he wants.
B”
Lotsa men were swimming in the regional steroid soup with hot
investigations in 2010-11. And regional LE were known users.
not 27 discs, just 9 alas. On disc 7, tracks 3-4 Preet goes into the importance of a prosecutor serving all victims but particularly the unlovely victim whether unlikeable, criminal, crazy, stupid, etc (before going on to talk about Judges). Which reminded me ADA Moawad in her year plus as the embedded (with mcso) primary ADA assigned to the Investigation never treated the functional mother of Kyron as a victim. She never saw her as a victim, and she should have. Had she tasked the MCDA investigators to interview sample school & community persons, Terri & her family, she’d have learned Terri was the primary victimized mother & had herself been victimized by Kaine. What a followup to the murder trial she blew. In Shrunk’s shoes I’d have counseled her out. And look when she ends up—a Judge like Kantor. This place.
I lack optimism Blink because the hapless
Bobby O’donnell’s wife is over Enforcement,
and Reese made her his backup Sheriff.
Alas more OT. Disc 8, tracks 6-7 Three Men in a Room in his own words with fistance reflects his cleaning up “an epidemic of corruption in Albany. Reminded me so much of what I read about in State Govt, Legislative, & “reward” patronage from Salem whether judgeships, sinecures in well-paying State utilities & universities, the Lottery, etc. 2 of the 3 were the State Senate Majr Ldr & the State Assembly Ldr, both imprisoned.
An example of Federal fodder in OR: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2018/05/17/the-redacted-transparency-promise-of-oregon-governor-kate-brown/amp/
Brown paid her 2016&7 bar dues.
btw wrt Moawad, this was in
Feb 2013 One of her last cases before leaving trial practice.
Kitzhaber hired her that April.
https://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/129201-accused-child-molester-acquitted
Preet compared the Gov & 2 legislature ldrs to a triumverate in Roman times.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/observer.com/2015/01/preet-bharara-blasts-three-men-in-a-room-after-sheldon-silver-arrest/amp/
“The people of New York should be disappointed. They should be really disappointed. They should maybe be angry. When so many of their leaders can be bought for a few thousand dollars, they should maybe be angry,” he said. “Money is often the core of the problem.”
See also https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.poughkeepsiejournal.com/amp/77920110
I asked myself why the Oregon US Attorney & FBI haven’t done the same. There was so much with Kitzhaber & Co. And I bet the OR Senate & House Ldrs, if one turned over rocks. This article introduces financial issues with Gov Brown & staff https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2018/05/17/the-redacted-transparency-promise-of-oregon-governor-kate-brown/amp/
Brown paid her 2016&7 bar dues. As I thought about it—either the US Attorney is a Wyden Dem dependent on his patronage OR a very right Republican like Immergut who is nevertheless at the end of her term, in order to stay in Portland, is dependent on the Gov for one of those Mult Cty Circuit Ct judgeships, followed by twiddling thumbs pining for the Federal Bench which until Trump required the approval of both State Senators—Sen Wyden. Any US Atty who wanted to remain in OR had to bow to the Gov & Wyden, thus no public corruption investigations of the Gov & Legislative Ldrs.
So thinking on how the ADA embedded with mcso & working out of the Command Ctr at the Church—at least a once public personal diary said she did which link I posted long ago in the disappeared thread—never ever treated fullykme Mother Terri as a Victim & did not treat her as the prime resource she was, I wondered what I initially would have done differently.
Rather than hook her up to harsh accusatory polys right away, I myself would have interviewed her at length with the DA Investigator sitting in. Thinking of where—the Office or Command Ctr—I would have chosen a quiet, intimate place—the school after it was out. I’d have met her where she parked her truck and asked her yo show me around outside—360 degr walk. Then inside starting with his current classroom, then his former classrooms, then everywhere they went that am and what they saw and what he enjoyed. As we walked, I’d ask her to tell me about his friends, bullies, activities, staff she knew or didn’t, office personnel, extracurriculars, other parents, internal school issues, etc.
Then we’d go to an empty classroom, & I’d have lunch delivered. Many topics, but some would be the parents, their relationships with each other & her. I might frankly ask what she’d think if one or the other blamed her. There were all the neighborhood & community contacts & relationships, the doctor issue, etc. ( I would have started by telling her nothing she said would be confidential and asked if she’d prefer an attorney present. I’d have said you can stop chatting & leave when you wish.) I would have alerted her that mcso wanted a poly, but I’d have formed a bond & interviewed her first—the beginning of week one. As the one who knew Kyron best, her interview was more critical than Kaine or Desiree. A woman needed to interview her, & surely the DA knew better than to rely on mcso personnel.
This is just brainstorming, but surely by June 2010 Shrink knew he had an ineffectual if gold-plated political ADA on his hands.
Great suggestions, the only thing I will add is that the DA is never going to sit in on any interview, although some do observe surreptitiously. A DA does not have the same permissions or latitude as LE in terms of technique and tactics is the short answer.
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This Judge has the DA Office’s number.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/crime/2019/07/judge-finds-multnomah-county-prosecutors-violated-evidence-obligations-in-high-profile-portland-murder-case.html%3foutputType=amp
Unsurprising he was the 1 pled out after it was clear the ADA lacked any credible witness.
Shame on his lawyer.
Obvious Judge didn’t go to an OR Law School.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/portland/2013/05/greg_silver_to_become_newest_m.html%3foutputType=amp