Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. BOC Staff says:

    I’m on it, lol, I will post them right back here.
    Xo

  2. BOC Staff says:

    I’m afraid I won’t be able to answer that question but I will say that I have made Terri aware of my thoughts on that issue in general.

  3. BOC Staff says:

    Rose, my apologies, my auto recall on him is failing me at the moment. Who is CH or “topher” relationally?

  4. Rose says:

    So, it was important yo see Porter’s email metadata from June 4 to see which emails she opened & what rmails she sent or replied to, for context. ie, did she open no one’s hntil X time? open Terri’s? open MCPS employees’ only? open some parents but not Terri’s? & so on. Understanding Porter’s usual behaviors & mgmt practices is relevant. & who in the school system knew her weaknesses?

  5. Rose says:

    Christopher Horman & his wife Kathy were Kaine’s relatives with whom Terri exchanged friendly messages, ie on Facebook. If you read the story I posted (& there were several similar) you see that when he returned from war, injured, also with severe ptsd, he returned to Seattle to live with his father & stepmother. He was so ill-treated, w/emo abuse, they then went on to Spokane to try to reconnect with his mother whom his father had divorced, & ended up living with their 2 young children in his car. With VA treatment & a RR job the family made it & thrived. It is my belief he was Neil’s youngest from Wife 1, who remained in Spokane. If so, his story depicts Neil as very emo abusive, & the relevance would be Kaine & Kristian grew up in an autocratic, emo abusive environment. Terri called him Topher.

  6. RoseRed says:

    I’ve always kind of wondered if Kyron’s spacey behavior might be more directly related to “something” he saw the parents doing (alone or with added ppl), maybe got yelled at for seeing (after all, the house wouldn’t be THAT big…), just didn’t understand, couldn’t talk to anyone about it. Parents making excuses about “problems” he might have had instead of actually talking to him….

    BOC Staff says: January 20, 2020 at 11:49 am
    Moo, but it’s my impression from interviews there was concern the adjustment and continuity, coupled with the length of travel/stay and Kyron’s age may have been contributing to his “behaviors” (floabw).

  7. Rose says:

    re “ BOC Staff says:
    January 22, 2020 at 8:12 am”

    Desiree often used the language of physical violence to Terri before her attorney reined her in, so yes, her idea Terri was physically violent to Kyron out of rage at Kaine’s affair seems a projection of her own reactive attitude to Kaine during her pregnancy & divorce at his betrayal. I don’t know how she didn’t get the message the marriage was over despite her pregnancy. He may be sociopathically &unempathic in behavior to her & Terri, but I bet he made his marital intentions clear. It is pretty strange she gave up both her sons to follow men out of town.

  8. Rose says:

    on further thought, Terri should like Desiree have been given notice by Kaine their marriage was over. Likely,she knew not only about the affair, but that a divorce was imminent. So much for thinking she was the divorce initiator. Yet unlike Desiree, she would stand up for her child & fight to keep her. Arguably Desiree did that with the RO, but she folded to follow another man.

  9. Rose says:

    Have an opinion on Gannon Stauch?

  10. BOC Staff says:

    As one example, yes. I think it also served as a stand alone piece of evidence that corroborated Terri’s timeline as well as underscores Porter’s negligence/ breach of standard of care that day. In my view, had Porter read that it should have been clear to her that Kyron was not with Terri and that Terri believed she would be picking Kyron up at school with his project based on her response. It’s my understanding Porter claimed she had not read that email prior to learning Kyron was missing.
    To your point, the metadata (either way but in context of others) had the capacity to heighten LE interviews of Porter, imo.
    However, depending upon her display options, she could also read it without ever opening it potentially.

    It was always one of the items that (imo) was yet another fly in MCSO’s theory ointment. Had Porter read that and responded appropriately- it could have changed everything. The day before she’s asked to contribute observations to the students Pediatrician, he’s not in class AFTER she saw him in homeroom, his belongings are still there and you get an email from his parent but don’t read it? I don’t think Porter was involved, but at that point of the investigation, LE was certainly obligated to consider the potential and exclude her. She’s ground zero ftlog.
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  11. BOC Staff says:

    Yes ma’am, Topher. Thank you for helping my recollection. I have to answer this “generally”. In any criminal investigation where a victimology study becomes (Or SHOULD) crucial evidence, especially when it involves a child of Kyron’s age, when there is evidence of ANY abuse of a child within the victims family, there must be an elevated form of inquiry. Not just from the perspective of did the child (in this case missing but with possible NOS symptoms prior, enough to prompt a pediatrician to begin an evaluation) have access or were they ever in The presence of an offender- but if there are allegations of legacy abuse (Kristian/GF) that (in this case) actually proport to facilitate possible generational abuse ( the cycle of child sexual abuse is very well documented and researched) then, investigatively it should be included in the interview process so as to assess the risk to the victim (missing child). Long way around (but necessary) to say if there is known/of record criminal pedophilic sexual abuse in a family, and in this situation where it appears a sibling of Kaine’s alleges he was abused and that led to his own criminal actions (manifestation) then it would be Protocol to trained investigators to follow that “lead” in the development of the victimology profile on its own- exclusive of whether or not it may or may not be in play in the possible motivation for Kyron’s disappearance. It raises his risk profile – no way around it.

    Victims of child sexual abuse should never be considered potential offenders, in no way am I implying that. I am saying in this case if there is the possibility of legacy abuse (as professed by an admitted offender) it must be explored to concoction or inclusion.

  12. BOC Staff says:

    It certainly could have. This little guy saw a big brother leave, his bio parents did not communicate, his Dad and step Mom (who mostly raised him) had a crumbling marriage and a full bio (half) baby sis of that marriage and his primary caregiver and teacher, Aspy “expert” colleague saw potential behavior associated with ASD. After his disappearance DY said in retrospect she saw signs something was wrong with Kyron. Yet, Terri was the one who discussed it with his PED, teacher and scheduled an appt to begin the evaluation. I don’t know what in particular was troubling this little guy, but I am convinced something was.

    One thing I have learned in my work that has rung true 100% of the time. Children ALWAYS know what Adults are trying to hide from them. The challenge is getting them to tell you on occasion, but if they do you can be sure it is the truth.
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  13. BOC Staff says:

    I think Terri believed Kaine that he was not having an affair until after Kyron disappeared. Whether that was based on wishful thinking or apathy, I can’t say.
    B

  14. BOC Staff says:

    Not an educated one. I can tell from the brief look online the CSPD needs to turn the case over to the CSP or the FBI after attempting to turn an interview of the Step Mom into an interrogation and subsequently detaining her without a warrant or access to an attorney. That tells me the things about their level of training overall as well as missing child cases.

    If this is CID investigating, I would be concerned. I have personally drafted a handful of suppression motions where they were the investigating agency- all granted. Not saying that to toot any horns- they are in need of training to the nth, imo.
    I said a prayer for the lad, it doesn’t look good.
    B

  15. BOC Staff says:

    I held this to confirm Kyron did not attend this independently. I have. That said, I sure would be interested in how such an event is viewed under statute/policy.
    Definitely a keeper erose, even if I’m not sure why exactly.
    B

  16. erose says:

    I’m not sure why either. Even though Kyron didn’t attend, just the optics in retrospect can’t be overlooked IMO.

    BOC Staff says:
    February 3, 2020 at 11:18 am

  17. Rose says:

    @erose. Yes that was out there in 2016. my opinion then was BB was using CS. iirc lotsa folks complained on the Edge-Wilsonville FB pg it was opening way later than advertised.
    My recollection is someone from middle OR (Salem?) bought Extreme Edge Beaverton. https://m.yelp.com/biz/international-fitness-beaverton-2
    & it closed. I think Salazar’s still open.

  18. Rose says:

    kyron did not attend what independently?

  19. Rose says:

    “ BOC Staff says:
    February 3, 2020 at 10:36 am
    I think Terri believed Kaine that he was not having an affair until…”
    That confirms Father is a serial significant liar within the family.
    Why didn’t mcso take this into account in the investigation,
    and Kantor in the divorce (other than he’s an organ of Dem Cty
    & State govt).

  20. Rose says:

    2014 Kantor “some family & probate”…I bet the “family” was one.
    https://www.osbar.org/_docs/elections/jvg/1405/KantorH.pdf
    Not even his interest area. Whoever was on the receiving end of the probate likely got screwed.
    ——

  21. Rose says:

    Kantor left Rosenblum’s employ 11/1/19.
    Good thing. This litigation was beyond him in my opinion.
    https://cases.justia.com/federal/district-courts/california/candce/4:2019cv00872/338455/237/0.pdf?ts=1572444070

  22. BOC Staff says:

    All I can say is that they locked onto Terri because of it, so they did consider it, they just assumed her actions were motivated by it. Which, as you know is not supported by fam law statutes unless you do what Kaine (through counsel) did, which was use LE “guess or theory” to secure a FAPA. Thus began the departure of the FBI. They don’t support the “lets make up shit” tactic and Terri had an escort 24/7. For me, I have always understood WHY T was an immediate suspect by MCSO, I think she did also, what offends all reason and sensibility is that if ones theory is your garden variety “solicitation or conspiracy” for that to work it requires specific acts in furtherance by both parties” which was never present. (No charges to either party, ever)

    Honestly, when you have a parent having serial affairs, a sibling about to do time for a sex crime involving a minor, parent has admitted in open court to a felony (steroids) and info surrounding same cost people jobs and their liberty (before and atf) who had a prior RO involving a minor child (with expressed fear of kidnapping) and physical evidence retrieved from the home corroborating aforementioned felonious acts- those factors SHOULD have elevated the parent and/or lifestyle circumstances once it was confirmed Kyron DID NOT leave the school with Terri. This is not just my personal and professional opinion, this is investigative 101 derived from victimology risk assessments of the subject and alleged crime- a non custodial or family member abduction of a 7 year old from his school. Specifically when the subject was last seen by multiple witnesses in the company of an unsub (NOS) exiting a normally locked exit door.
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  23. BOC Staff says:

    Absolutely agreed erose. Am I the only parent that finds an overnight slumber party at the school sans parents inappropriate for kids that age? I get that it was some sort of explorer type scenario and I’m a spaz, but..

    Lastly, investigatively any events at the school (ground zero) are relevant.
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  24. BOC Staff says:

    At your prompt I did short research of public info. Unfortunately I am in agreement with you. I noticed the Mother (Landen Hoitt) called out the detective that there was a 90% ( I confess I do not know where that number came from) chance Gannon would be coming home safely in the middle of her statement. I realize in these situations parents can really skew just about anything that can give them hope, and nobody clarified her comment, but if she got that right, it was grossly irresponsible with a child missing 6 days at that point. The last time I heard a cop do that he ended up getting fired and subsequently went to law school and became a criminal defense Attorney. I never want to hear about LE violating rights that will end up blowing a prosecution and ALSO any chance they have at getting useful information (one way or another) it’s just a clear sign of a lack of training or frankly a bad choice investigatively as to who is doing the interviewing. This reminds me so much of the Horman case in some ways, but in Terri’s circumstances her entire route caught her and her vehicle along every stop and Kyron was still at school (obviously). Right now it more reminds me of Watts when the neighbors camera caught enough for le to “assume” things. I have seen this happen time and again in the negative though- the Person who owns the system takes the time to RE REVIEW footage after LE says they are done and nothing was useful. It looks like they did not get that right again.

    To their credit- they were very open about wanting leads from the public and the neighbor who just gave them their break would not give the news outlet the frames. Just a guess- he went back through outside the parameters LE was using. He did go to Mr. Stauch first though. At any rate, he’s a citizen hero, imo. Praying for this little soul and his family.

    Ps. If I were evaluating LS interview for LE it would not have been positive. For starters, who says they demanded a lawyer then terminated the interview and calls the media where she agrees to interview without an attorney. There’s no way she even spoke to one if she ends up doing that. The content was not one from a terrified parent whatsoever. Whether she is responsible for this child’s disappearance (or worse) or not, her response to the questions asked were disturbing to me.

  25. BOC Staff says:

    I was able to confirm with multiple sources that Kyron did not attend the May 10 fundraiser school sleepover in the auction at $50 a kid.

  26. Rose says:

    Birthmother Landen Hoitt from SC appeared with father on TV. I don’t trust anyone whose first thought is to call him “Bubba, Little Man, Momma’s Hero” consecutively and so on. It’s like she’s reading Soldier. Stepmother said she had taken care of him the last 2 yrs bcz mother “didn’t want to.” Mother moved in, so stepmother said she’s living elsewhere. One assumes new evidence is a resident’s disposal of him, and father was out of town.

  27. Rose says:

    in 3 el eds, over a decade ago, 2 public, 1private, such an auction item was always offered by the Principal & a few teachers iirc 4-6th, and not age-mixed (ie buy for a class). It’s a standard item in my urban region. I do not recall a mixture tho where parents bought a ticket for one child.

  28. cd2 says:

    Rose says:
    January 29, 2020 at 10:21 am
    -snip
    He may be sociopathically &unempathic in behavior to her & Terri, but I bet he made his marital intentions clear. It is pretty strange she gave up both her sons to follow men out of town.
    ————-
    I have always wondered why Des gave up custody of both of her children to move in with some guy in Seattle.
    If it was because she needed surgery then why did she not leave her children in the care of her family or ask the two fathers of her children Quinn and Kyron to care for them until she was well. Why did she feel the need to give up permanent custody of both of her children? Was her intention to never return?

  29. cd2 says:

    So i have to wonder if LE keeps track of some of the posters on Soldiers page. Nsub would be making sure the blame remained squarely on Teri, and keeping up on events would be something the perf could be interested in. Below is an article where LE noticed a hater poster on a page much like soldiers.

    https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/tacoma-police-want-to-find-man-seen-at-bowling-alley-when-toddler-teekah-lewis-disappeared-21-years-ago/281-62c98ec5-7f57-42d0-8e38-58806b2e2969
    -snip
    “I remembered the guy from the bowling alley, and if that’s the case, there’s no way Teekah is here right now,” she told KING 5. She said the man seemed like someone she would not want around her children. She also said the man followed a Facebook page that she runs dedicated to finding Teekah.

  30. cd2 says:

    BOC Staff says:
    February 3, 2020 at 9:02 am
    -snip
    It was always one of the items that (imo) was yet another fly in MCSO’s theory ointment. Had Porter read that and responded appropriately- it could have changed everything. The day before she’s asked to contribute observations to the students Pediatrician, he’s not in class AFTER she saw him in homeroom, his belongings are still there and you get an email from his parent but don’t read it? I don’t think Porter was involved, but at that point of the investigation, LE was certainly obligated to consider the potential and exclude her. She’s ground zero ftlog.
    B.

    I was really surprised Des did not bring a law suit against the school when one of the biggest reasons Kyron is still missing is/was the 6 hour head start the school(Ms Porter) gifted the the perpetrator with by ignoring the school procedures regarding absent students.

    I don’t care whom Porter got an email from or what rumor she believed she had heard she had a duty to report Kyrons absence as soon as she was aware of it.

    Why did she not report it?

  31. erose says:

    Rose, This. Blink has been vetting.

    erose says:
    December 4, 2019 at 1:22 am
    This is a keeper.
    jan says:
    December 14, 2010 at 11:40 pm
    Blink,
    Does the Spring 2010 Skyline auction hold any clues?
    There is electrical, plumbing, computer, electric-cool, not to mention farms, gardening, carpet, river boat rides.
    Spring Auction list includes:
    Electrical Service with Access Electric & Construction, LLC
    Craig Anderson Plumbing, Inc
    Computer services by staff:
    Optimize Your Personal Computer (Seth I.)
    Is your PC dragging? Do you want to get it running at its best? Turn it over to a PC expert for two hours. He’ll run diagnostics and make it a smoking hot machine once again!
    Green Whole House Carpet Cleaning
    Donation by two male faculty:
    40 kids! One night! The overnight adventure of a lifetime at Skyline School includes rock climbing, star gazing, big screen movie, art projects, games, cooking, and the ultimate school tour! Dinner, late night snack and breakfast are included. Directors of fun are Mr. Keefer and Mr. Gardes. The date is Friday, May 14. $50 per student.
    #902, By Ben Keefer and Brian Gardes
    Mad Science Field Trip
    Battery-Operated Thomas Track Ride
    McDonalds Package for Boys
    and more.
    See:
    https://skylineauction.schoolauction.net/skylineauction/donation_items?per_page=1000&search%5Bis_visible_to_public_eq%5D=1
    blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-78/#comments

  32. erose says:

    Just caught “…the ultimate school tour.” in the above descriptor of the overnight event. Wondering what that could be. Visiting ALL of the classrooms. What kid cares about that. Here is the principals office, the nurses room, I mean what would a kid want to see in their school building that they haven’t already. So no is going to openly advertise something nefarious, but if your kid happened to mention they went on that school tour, it’s not like you weren’t told.

  33. Rose says:

    OT kinda
    Tonite I looked at Portland Press re Sondland. His last tweet 9 days ago endorsed a certain Palestinian Plan. I was amused to see the Beth Israel site panned it as fundamentally flawed. So somehow I free associated with Kaine, googling with divorce, thinking #3 divorce might be out there, but it isn’t. It came to me with 3 divorces, he’s kind of a candidate for a wont of empathy generally, and a narcissistic PD specifically. It is a darn shame in the custody battle around a young female—given 2 acrimonious divorces & an RO, Kantor did not require a neuropsych with projective testing of him.

  34. BOC Staff says:

    This will be an unpopular response (but true) I can tell the level of FBI involvement ( and status) occasionally based on what a parent says in a first press conference. From that conference, I am of the opinion that for reasons that are not yet public, the belief is that this child ran away. For the Mom to say “this is what you wanted, Momma and Daddy here together ( or words to that effect) is not something any LEA is prompting. I have worked on cases with what I would term “very Southern” elements (fam is originally from N or S Carolina) and I went to school in Savannah for a year, it’s really just legacy endearments in a time of severe distress. I don’t share the sentiment this child ran away, though.
    B

  35. BOC Staff says:

    As a fund raiser? Advertised to the public ( I realize for students but the auction was public). Thanks for posting that, I didn’t realize it was that common.
    B

  36. BOC Staff says:

    I’m not going to get into the specifics of DY self-report medical issue except to say what I have already said. Based on documents I have personally reviewed to include court filings and court orders it appears that her motivation to give up primary physical custody under the auspices of seeking medical treatment in Canada were so that a Judge would sign off on an addendum order terminating child support, and thus “explaining” his approval that the parties agreed to nobody paying support in the short term. Why you ask? Because such an action would definitely be considered a deviation under the child support laws in OR. His honor is bound to act in the best interests of the children, and in the eyes of the law and wrt support enforcement ( which falls to the DA in that jurisdiction, btw) the child has the rights to support by both parents so with one parent having primary physical custody, technically that child has the right to seek support from the non custodial parent. If she did not have these orders filed, both Greg and Kaine could have gone after her to seek support as Greg did years later. She did not move to Seattle, that was the exchange point (iirc Kaine’s family). To your point, she absolutely could have undergone treatment whereby she could not exercise her visitation, etc, she could have sought a temporary order ( sort of like a medical or FMLA leave situation) and adjusted support appropriately ( temporarily). I’m confident this was a major reason she withdrew her civil suit after the ruling medical records of all parties would be admissible.

    That said, I want to be clear that if DY gave up custody because she felt incapable of caring for her children at the time, and they were in good care with their respective Fathers, I applaud her decision over any alternative choice that would end up compromising the kids care. I DO think if she was going to respond to questions about it publicly she should have been honest.
    B

  37. BOC Staff says:

    Agreed erose. A bit of a controlled anarchist approach perhaps? Like you, I can’t really think of a compelling attraction to a kid to “tour” their school. I sure would like to interview someone who attended and maybe under a bit more on the process for approvals/planning of it. What parent volunteers attended, etc?
    B

  38. BOC Staff says:

    I honestly can’t believe that stipulated order was entered.
    B

  39. Rose says:

    @ erose says:
    February 6, 2020 at 2:02 pm

    Electrical, plumbing, carpet cleaning. MCSO should have scrubbed
    all PTA Auction donors (& undoubtedly did not) & sorted by parent, parent-solicited,
    donor unattached to school (ie alum or area merchant not solicited by parent), stranger.

  40. Rose says:

    usually there’s a big screen movie & star gazing but ultimate school tour is weird

  41. Rose says:

    Local Lincoln HS grad Gardes looks like a good person.
    nice van, nicer dog https://m.facebook.com/brian.gardes
    team president https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/11-features/429502-336897-tackling-stereotypes
    preexisting Portland Avalanche https://proudqueer.com/pq/pq-seattle-april-2018/the-portland-lumberjacks-destination-amsterdam
    Looks like “Fitness” workouts are relevant to rugby teams (the Edge?)
    I am reminded a gay league basketball adult team practice weekly at Skyline in 2009-10,
    but moved elsewhere after. (not implicating gay, but stranger adult males traipsing thru a school).

  42. Rose says:

    what stipulated order?

  43. BOC Staff says:

    Understood, and I am told there was an immediate clamp down of any and all programs/visitors generally. Honestly, at this point I think all public schools should be given grants for a camera/security system. I know it sounds Orwellian, but at the very least if it deters a predator…
    B

  44. BOC Staff says:

    The standing custody agreement order re Kiara. Iirc it was a stipulated order (agreement between the parties) on the eve of trial. Josh Powell was given more visitation and there were at least 4 agencies declaring him a suspect at the time. Jus sayin’.
    B

  45. Rose says:

    Oh, I thought she should have replaced her family atty at the time & gone to trial rather than sign it. (imo she would not have had to go to trial w/an effective atty.) There were 2 difft females notable in the local family bar at the time who far outstripped Kaine’s atty. She oughta get ine of them & revisit the Stip due to changed circumstances.

  46. Rose says:

    this is the one I liked: Stahancyk https://www.stahancyk.com/ Bunch had 2 issues: As a 1 man show he lacked resources to litigate & Ratner knew it. And, on his website he said his preference & goal is settlement. Terri needed a scorched earth litigator.

  47. cd2 says:

    BOC Staff says:
    February 13, 2020 at 10:42 am

    -snip
    She did not move to Seattle, that was the exchange point (iirc Kaine’s family).
    —————
    Ok I don’t know why but I thought she moved to Seattle Probably just some gossip I read somewhere. Its been so long I start to lose track of what’s a fact and a guess.

    BOC Staff says:
    February 13, 2020 at 10:42 am

    -snip
    That said, I want to be clear that if DY gave up custody because she felt incapable of caring for her children at the time, and they were in good care with their respective Fathers, I applaud her decision over any alternative choice that would end up compromising the kids care.
    ————–
    I agree.

  48. erose says:

    As a parent, if I read “The overnight adventure of a lifetime at Skyline School includes rock climbing, star gazing, big screen movie, art projects, games, cooking, and the ultimate school tour! Dinner, late night snack and breakfast are included.” and chose to let me kid participate and my kid came home and I asked how was it and my kid told me he went on a school tour, I’m not sure I would ask any more questions about it because I had already been informed. However, if my kid, out of the blue said he had gone on a school tour, I would have 100 questions. KWIM?

  49. BOC Staff says:

    I work on fam law cases where there is a criminal element (or possibility of one). When that exists and then you have incidents like the lawyers giving public statements about helping LE and actual intervening pleadings, ex parte conversations with DA’s with an active FAPA and a missing child it’s almost like Fam Court becomes this “4 corners doctrine” body. I have no doubt Bunch rarely sees a similar case ( if ever). My point is he appears to be an excellent lawyer, but based on my interviews I am left with the impression once a decision is made that the clients liberty is paramount to custody or even visitation, the stage is set “so to speak” for the pendency. I may not agree with T’s decision, but I most definitely empathize with it and I am confident she felt it was her only option at the time. I think not defending the FAPA, purely from a procedural and preservation of record perspective was a bad call on Houze’s part initially. Again, his job at the time with a client facing an indictment was to keep that from happening and he did, but the structure of the FAPA really requires the parties it’s immediate defense upfront, imo. If I try and put myself in Terri’s shoes, I am probably just doing what I am told is in my immediate best interest even not doing so puts me in a position to never see my child again.

    I would be very interested to see the lifecycle of FAPA’s in MC used similarly in dissolution proceedings over time.
    To be clear, victims in need of FAPA protection should seek it, any and every time a situation warrants, without question. It should not be used as a divorce or custody crutch either.
    B

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