Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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reflecting on Shrunk, he disappeared after he retired, which is unlikely after a long career in a politicized State with many CJ issues. My guess is he had dementia & was incapable of newspaper comments, or travel to Bar meetings or teaching CEUs. And I bet it had been evident for several years.
norm frink pans Mike Schmidt. Deservedly.
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/10-opinion/443466-357806-letters-former-da-did-belong-to-organization?wallit_nosession=1
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/04/29/wws-may-2020-endorsements-for-metro-and-multnomah-county/ WW endorses Schmidt over a far more qualified prosecutor bcz he’s a K Brown-type social policy “progressive.” Alas.
& endorses energizer bunny Sam Adams reincarnation as a City Councilor.
a two-fer, darn:
https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2020/04/editorial-endorsement-mike-schmidt-for-multnomah-county-district-attorney.html
My opinion is Schmidt is merely more glib ghan his opponent on social policy.
The other candidate, the prosecutor’s prosecutor, concurs
on social policies but wants a Statewide reform approach (& he is right).
& Schmidt spent years on the Statewide criminal justice commission
& did not get legislation on his agenda passed. btw in that job he would’ve interacted w/Kyron’s initial ada heidi the gov’s public safety apptmt. Imo these papers are endorsing Kitzhaber’s oldies who Brown inherited. So much for Soldier wanting a go to prosecutor.
Soldier is urging ppl research DA candidates & vote for justice for Kyron. Here in their own words:
https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2020/05/04/28369081/multnomah-county-da-candidates-talk-covid-19-response-police-body-cams-and-budgets As an out-ofStater, it seems to me a choice about a social policy agenda from a self-characterized Progressive who in this age implies a Bernie worldview, abd a prosecutor’s prosecutor who puts crime management first.
I Got Ya CD.
The ID teaser Soldier touts does not feature Kyron.
It has a brief shot of Desiree tearfully exclaiming “Stop the torture.”
this gambit of Desiree’s tops Dr Phil for bullshit sensationalism
& is guaranteed to inundate MCSO with equally time-wasting bullshit tips.
Target Audience seems well below the Apprentice’s target audience.
One can ignore the topic being analyzed &
just apply the 6 black-bolded criteria for
evaluating “reporting” or involved persons’ documentary comments
at Kyron’s abduction anniversary to any media story about the
abduction whether Investigation Discovery, comments now & then by Desiree,
Soldier, any retrospective stories by local TV or print press:
https://www.propublica.org/article/im-an-investigative-journalist-these-are-the-questions-i-asked-about-the-viral-plandemic-video
Excellent Question, it is my understanding and belief there are multiple reasons that were influenced by multiple people AND likely court orders. She remains a critical witness in a 7 year olds abduction and she is on a sworn record (more than once) admitting negligence and essentially vindicating the initial theories and timelines that LE associated with Terri as their suspect. In retrospect in many ways we have the answer to that prompt “or else what” don’t we? Look what happened to every individual who spoke openly about their opinion on Terri’s innocence or in some cases, verification of her timeline?
I could absolutely see a scenario whereby Porter speaks out to correct public information and she gets sued, loses her job, is tossed on the pyre of “obvious” accomplices (to be conservative on the scenario). She never gets a pass from me, if that is not clear allow me to put a fine point on it- however, she absolutely did admit her negligence (repeatedly in the transcript I read) AND she absolutely affirmed her beliefs and observations re Kyron’s need for evaluation and the upcoming Dr. appt among other information I would characterize as positive as to Terri’s character, interactions and parenting.
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Honestly if this case stays with MCSO it will never be resolved. It’s beyond maddening to me that I get at least 1-2 calls or emails a day to participate in (insert outlet) a 10th Anniversary Kyron “update” with absolutely nothing to update by anyone or any agency.
Um.. Has a single candidate mentioned Kyron or his case? Have they mentioned the jaw dropping non filing of no true bills? Once again it serves to show the lack of understanding of criminal due process and law on that persons part.
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Rose says:
May 6, 2020 at 7:09 pm
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Soldier is urging ppl research DA candidates & vote for justice for Kyron. Here in their own words:
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You have to reside in Multnomah county to vote in the Multnomah county DA’s election. Although it has the largest population of any county in Oregon Multnomah county has a very small physical size. I have seen a lot of posters on soldiers facebook who live in Oregon but not in Multnomah county, live in other states, or don’t even live in the USA. So how many votes will that generate for Multnomah county DA. Also soldier lives in Washington and will not be able vote for Multnomah county DA.
The person who should be contacted by media doing retro anniversary is Sheriff Reese. Ask him Why has mcso not previously or now requested fbi take over jurisdiction & management? Ditto to Desiree & Kaine-Why did they never advocate for a change of jurisdiction & investigation management? (the latter two are likely bcz a disgruntled mcso could leak too much about their private foibles, and bcz Terry would be cleared.)
Do you think Terri is distanced enough to give an interview?
Is it time to publish your interviews of her? (10 yrs out)
You could update with her current voice?
Schmidt, a Dem policy bureaucrat, ran away with the DA primary vote at 76.3% over a seasoned US Atty Office prosecutor’s prosecutor. Was it because he got a SoCal celebrity push, or Oregonian/WW endorsements attributable to Dem politician State owners? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/05/john-legend-makes-late-endorsement-in-multnomah-county-da-race-calling-mike-schmidt-clear-choice.html%3foutputType=amp So much for Soldier wanting Kyron’s case prioritized by a litigator. But you’ll get more reform.
@johnLegend is ridiculously ignorant because Schmidt & Knight had the same reform agenda just different means to pursue it. Knight wanted reform Statewide not solely in MC, & to lead/bring along fellow DAs to lobby in a Statewide approach. Obamalike rather than Bernielike.
old history, human interest
Chikd Porn-recipient father William Kent Wishert got a favorable (lowest agreed to) sentence on his Plea & promptly did a Flynn: sub in avnew attorney & attempted to vacate. https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-wishart-1 At least he was out before his son passed.
I wonder if a new DA, from out of the legacy clique, will even be interested in looking at the tangled, corrupted mess that is this case. It’s all such a shame.
Such a hoot that Soldier thinks Dem Primary DA winner will do
anything to advance Kyron’s mcso nvestigation. Will there be a Repub
candidate?
apparently there’s no Nov DA vote. Schmidt’s elected. imo Too Bad. https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2013/01/portland_terrorism_trial_lead.html
Did Morris self-publish? Ebook, later audio.
Marketing suggests police have enough to arrest TH.
I would not put it past the new DA in Fall (tks to Dem Establishment)
to arrest TH because he lacks criminal prosecution experience
but he’s good at Marketing.
Timed to max publicity due to 10 yr anniversary:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/katu.com/amp/news/local/new-book-on-kyron-hormans-disappearance-released
Not only “independantly published,” there is no print form. “Ebook” with audio to come. Marketed on Amazon under “Grief & bereavement,” Morris essentially tells Kyron’s story from Desires’s point of view based on interviews with Desiree & her circle.
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Seeing a then-pic on Soldier’s site of Terri, it strikes me no one had more motive than Kaine. She’s young, attractive, efficient, & a peerless mother to both his offspring. No question but that she’d get custody of Kiara in part based on his affair(s), & might be a 3rd party placement for Kyron if Desiree continued to refuse to file for custody. He needed to keep his assets, avoud child support for 2 kids & spousal support, & get custody of kiara. What better way than to disappear the most expensive kid w/ conceens & blame Terri?
Reminds me of a certain President who just confabulates.
KyronGate makes Watergate look like small potatoes!
https://www.kgw.com/mobile/article/news/local/kyron-horman/multiple-witnesses-allegedly-saw-kyron-horman-leave-school-with-stepmom-author-writes/283-bef1f721-adf9-4ad5-8580-64d756d12b39
The revelation Kaine wore a wire for mcso the first days enhances his “motive.” Rather than tell mcso: she’s the best mother Kyron ever had, including taking care of his medical & educational needs, he affirms to mcso he thinks she was behind it, & he participated in an entrapment scheme. What spouse, even an estranged noncohabiting one, would do that to a woman who’d mothered well, except to point the finger firmly at her?
Whether or not Kaine was behind it,
surely he knew the first days he’d had a
history of shady associates in the illegal
steroid trade who were capable if it.
March 2020 mcso personnel chart. https://www.mcso.us/site/pdf/org_chart.pdf Shout out to Vera Pool for stamina. Desiree said lead det & several investigators ret’d. Unless Lee Gosson ret’d in April, the Det who raked in big OT $ in the beginning remains in charge. Ine only has to google other names to see their now Private Protection businesses on linkedin.
Just a reminder, the Chief Deputy now over Enforcement & thus
Investigations is Bobby O’Donnell’s wife. Last year she was CD
Corrections when Reese made her his Interim backstop.
Idk why Kaine thinks Personnel changes
mean fresh eyes. Mrs O’Donnell &
Gosson are as old & cold as it gets.
The only thing I can say with absolute certainty is that no DA will be convening a new jury in Kyron’s disappearance with the target being Terri Horman and there is zero chance MCSO will arrest Terri without an indictment. That’s not to say there has been any progress toward locating Kyron or another suspect, there has not.
Well, I would simply say exactly what has that individual been correct about, re anything related to Kyron in the last 10 years?
Rose, I can’t thank you enough for your constant contributions and support, but I have not changed my opinion re My piece on Kyron’s disappearance and the interviews it contains. The second I think (or those I have entrusted to review objectively) believes it prudent to whatever this “becomes”, it will be published. As you saw the previously announced book collaboration was reduced to a self published garble with no association with Kyron’s Mother (aware I called that, lol). Turned down by every publisher approached. Telling, imo.
Who wrote that blurb, lol? Distance learning third grader? “Quality of proof” is a quote? That’s a very non legal term for a former DA, is it not?
Kaine is a bright guy with proven resourcefulness- if he wanted to have “fresh eyes” on the case he would hire some. As far as fresh eyes from the same agency, that’s not even a “thing” in law enforcement. The notion that the same agency can provide an audit of previous work from the same agency is against every Law Enforcement Certification Practice in existence and MCSO is more than aware of that.
Kaine is a bright guy with proven resourcefulness- if he wanted to have “fresh eyes” on the case he would hire some. As far as fresh eyes from the same agency, that’s not even a “thing” in law enforcement. The notion that the same agency can provide an audit of previous work from the same agency is against every Law Enforcement Certification Practice in existence and MCSO is more than aware of that.
I feel outrage that Terri spent her days after the traumatic loss of Kyron, until she got an atty & her daughter was taken by Kaine in an entrapment to force her out of the house, that from likely Day 2, or at least while Tony & Desiree were still hanging out ungratefully in her home., Kaine wore a wire & ALL THREE, including a cop Tony, grilled her in collusion with MCSO & tried to trip her up on her timeline & activities. 3 to 1. Meanwhile The 3 are totally ignoring the fact Kyron left with a SZ. I think this antic labels Tony as beyond incompetent professionally, just like his drive to convict Javier. Ironically it was Terri herself who suggested Rudy was a possibly threatening person before the fake mfh was attributed to her. Imo that & the FAPA & the story she was given that she had failed her poly were all mcso full court press & imo it’s Gosson’s style to force a confession. Bobby O’D was not that smart.
& with this tactice by mcso enlisting all 3 in Kainewiretap entrapping Terri off the git go, mcso forever surrendered unbiased & in depth accurate interviewing of both Youngs & Kaine. No way to undo it & go back to get good info from the 3 as to associates & social circles presenting risk—much less themselves. Heidi Heidkamp moawad the hapless ada assigned by Underhill from the git go first working on site with mcso & then working the case for a year was an idiot in my opinion.
human int story desperation;
kgw interviews kgw.
https://www.kgw.com/mobile/article/news/local/questions-and-answers/kgw-digital-qa-the-kyron-horman-case-10-years-later/283-0c0664de-0bb3-4c29-96d2-fee50f808bbb
You know what it does for me? And admittedly I knew he did, It cements my thoughts that Kaine Horman was working as a CI for a Federal Agency who showed up at the house to solicit funds from Terri.
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I assume you mean Kaine was a CI for DEA, as a result of his Steroid dealor associates,
a Federal agency whom his divorce atty Rackner worked for in DC. So that was how he
was referred to her? & why she recused herself after the FAPA was a done deal & passed
Kaine off to Brett Engel
(who has an interesting Yelp review, scroll down to Hunter T on https://yelp.to/qTKq/gapVRJt5U6.
But why would a DEA agent go to Terri to solicit a donation for something?
The then Dir of Portland fbi field office in 2010 was significant for flagrant entrapment dchemes & a primary personnel experience history of working drug cases. It seems at least recently Portland DEA operations have the same unethical dangerous character https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/01/judge-rips-deas-deception-that-got-portland-warehouse-manager-kidnapped-video.html%3foutputType=amp
This site served me well bcz it occured to me to see if the Minneapolis fbi field office dir recently changed. It did. Dir pulled out in Feb & replaced March 23 with a man ftom DC Hdqtrs with an interesting background fit for events.
I see, the Fed agent (DEA?) went to Teri for “funds.”
Was that allegedly monies owed (by Kaine) for steroid
purchases.? Was he trying to frame her as a drug buyer,
even then?
ot & political
very disgusted I threw away all my Lafayette Park protest posters
in a cleaning frenzy at the outset of covid home confinement.
No, it was Rudy trying to entrap Terri by saying “the $10k to kill your husband is agreeable” or words to the effect. Keeping in mind he speaks very broken English in the first place. The DEA Agent was introduced as a relative of Rudy’s but it’s my understanding he was present to coach RS. To my knowledge that asset was not who Terri knew previously, I can’t speak to whether Kaine did or not. This is not the only reason I am convinced Kaine was in contact with the DEA and was either a CI then or later as several of his direct associates were arrested and convicted from info they got from Kaine.
You know, fly the rocket in front of me and suddenly I’m a scientist lol
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Yes Rose. It was not until I confirmed his interactions with the DEA that I could entertain the possibility, but I also have never been able to rule it out. If one wants to “believe” some of what is contained in Morris book- she states that Kaine asked Desiree if she would take custody of Kiara permanently. So if that’s true- that’s one Hell of a revelation. Don’t get excited though, lol, Kaine has not so much as commented on such statements.
I think that Morris nugget obtained from Young is super unlikely:
1) Kiara was his golden goose to punitive child support payments.
2) women with benefits were lining up to be new mother.
Agreed. Feels to me like a salvo.
In my opinion
The following says it all about Morris’s book. It is a repeat of the rumors and gossip that have been part of Kyrons case the last 10 years. This book could have been written from the pages of Soldiers Facebook which probably was the main source of information for this book..
1. Attorney Stephen House declined to make Terri Moulton Horman Vasquez available for an interview.
2. The author spoke with Kaine Horman. Because of ongoing legal issues, he declined to participate
(In the book. Kiara’s name was changed to Kayala so maybe Kaine legal issues were related to using his families names and actions since he has denied some of Desiree claims about him over the years)
3. The author reached out to Dede Spicher but did not speak with her.
4. The MCSO did not respond to requests for interviews.
5. Alice and Ellie Jacobsen are pseudonyms.
I read a pretty long excerpt of the book because Amazon allowed extra reading for a short period of time. The book was basically the same things we have heard from Desiree and World soldiers over the years. There was a lot of attention paid to people convicted of murder without a body. I would imagine most people skipped over that part as it has nothing to do with Kyron’s disappearance. Case after case (even from as long as 25 years ago) were presented. There was a lot of fluff added to fill the pages like the history of the Oregon town of Medford and other side notes that really had nothing to do with Kyron but added to the length of the book. Morris’s book talks about Kyron’s best friend Ellie(since i have never read about this friend I would not know her actual name) but makes no mention of his best friend Kurtis Holm who’s picture we saw at Kyron’s birthday bowling party. In fact Morris says that there wasn’t anyone at Kyron’s birthday bowling party. She must have missed the picture.
Since the paperback copy is $19 and the kindle is around $10. I will not be buying this book to read.
Is there anyone here that has read the book and can comment on it’s contents.
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/06/vigil-planned-to-mark-10-years-since-kyron-horman-disappeared.html
Young/Morris PR antiTerri campaign has gone the way of other book releases between covid & civil unrest sucking the news air out.
In his 10th anniversary statement, Reese refers to the East County Major Crimes team. Description of composition: https://www.mcda.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/PR-20-102-Grayson-Morris.pdf