COLEMAN MURDERS: HUSBAND AND FATHER CHRIS COLEMAN ARRESTED FOR MURDERS
COLEMAN IN CUSTODY TONIGHT
Columbia, Ill– As announced exclusively this afternoon on blinkoncrime.com, sources inside the Major Case Squad confirmed that Chris Coleman, husband and father of murder victims Sheri, Garrett and Gavin Coleman, has been arrested and charged with the murders of his family.
Coleman was arrested at his parents home in Chester, Illinois without incident. At press time, Coleman was being processed and prepped for his 3 hots and a cot.
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“You should really all be ashamed of yourself for saying that Joyce Meyer Ministries would in any way have anything to do with this or condone it.”
Who here has suggested this?
“All you JM lovers may want to look at this”
Holy Moses
How on earth did she wring all that out of the New Testament? Do you think she’ll let me move in if I knock on her door and tell her that I’m a Christian? Say Joyce…let’s pool our resources. I’ll let you have access to my bank account if I can have access to your’s.
Ok, back to this ugly, pig-faced Coleman guy….
I bet there were a lot of people calling him “godly”…due to the fact that he was providing fine “leadership” in the home. To me he looks like a creepy punk though which leads me to my next comment….
How is it that his wife couldn’t see through him? Do you ever wonder about that? FOR SURE there were MANY signs of what he was capable of…
wring out of the new testament, lol, thats gonna stick-
B
Thx for reminding me blink! Now that I think about it, I believe you did also tell me same thing (or post it) about the girl’s mother being looked down upon moreso than MH being held up as a saint. Either way was a deadly mistake for a precious little girl.
Gotta get down I-81 and home! Cannot wait to read the posts in the morning
>)
http://www.rickross.com/reference/meyer/meyer11.html
just a thought!
columbia res- interesting link. Thanks for posting. I have to say, I’m not a big fan of Rick Warren’s Theology, but I’ve always felt he is an excellent example of how “mega” preachers/teachers should live…
excerpt from Wikipedia-
“Warren has been married to Elizabeth K. Warren (Kay) for 30 years. They have three adult children (Amy, Josh, and Matthew) and four grandchildren. He considers Billy Graham, Peter Drucker and his own father to be among his mentors.
Due to the success of his book sales, in 2005 Warren returned his 25 years of salary to the church and discontinued taking a salary. He says he and his wife became “reverse tithers,” giving away 90% of their income and living off 10%.[10]“
hmmm: aol’s front page news on Coleman have a tid-bit that for the connect the dots type of minds is a brow raiser:
The morning he made the call to police “from the gym” he called a specific officer.
IF the father/husband was panicked – as he alleged – over his family’s immediate safety . . . wouldn’t it behoove one call 911 to ensure speedy arrival vs calling a specific officer to voice an emergency concern? ie: what if specific officer wasn’t answering phone at that hour, etc?
Uhoh Dot, somebody didnt read my article. I already disclosed who he called..
tsk tsk
B
His phone activity that morning will speak volumes….as well as the video tapes of activity at the home. The PD had set up video cams to observe activity based on the “threats” Coleman claimed he was receiving.
The officer who responded to Huckaby being pointed to for the first child she “abducted” and brought home drugged . . . put the onus on the mother of the child and he didn’t bother to “investigate” Huckaby who he did speak to and confront when she rushed the child back . . .Miss Thing’s “Sunday School teacher” at her preacher grand-dad’s front door …instigated his “what ever” mindset (he’s confessed he’s wrecked over having ignored the red flag) all he had to do was jump in his car and start clicking on the keyboard on his dash and pull her name up.
She was on probation, wanted for arson in S. Calif and had a record …but her church lady blatherings set her free to kill.
To comment 51: It was insinuated since this guy was a “christian” and his father was a preacher and he worked for Joyce Meyer it somehow explains why he would kill his wife and kids. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. See below, anyone with an IQ can see that it is being stated that because of these circumstances, this is why he is a murder….ridiculous And B, you insinuated that I myself was “spewing” lies….please, let me know what you are talking about….
Comment #5: think it’s interesting that this guy was involved with Joyce Meyer and her self-help “ministry”.
He got married very young, was heavily involved in his “church”, had his wife doing the home schooling thing (which was no doubt “Christian” in nature)etc. I bet he even went to one of those soul-stripping mega-churches…and tithed.
I’ve known many people like this guy. You’ll often find them making silly comments like, “I don’t listen to worldly music” and “I don’t read the astrology column in USA Today. I’m a Christian.”
It’s a cult. What kind of people get involved in cults? Weak people
COMMENT 7: ……GAWD is the operative word here,another maniac hiding behind the right wing fundamentalist Christian BS……can you say sanctimonious TOXIC morons? Has Joyce Meyer commented on this?
She has only declined comment through her spokesperson.
B
COMMENT 9: “……GAWD is the operative word here,another maniac hiding behind the right wing fundamentalist Christian BS”
That’s how I see it.
If anyone bothers to sit down and actually read the New Testament…he/she will find an ethic 180 degrees from this stuff. Those people were keeping their belongings in common
COMMENT 18: Really? This “Godly” woman cannot even denounce the act, or at least discuss the fact there are dangerous people hiding in the organized church system today moreso than ever? Apparently she’s more concerned with her stinking money-train than her sheeple/followers. She should have her tax-exempt status ripped away asap.
(Isn’t she one of those organizations that was under investigation along with Benny Hinn (puke) and the Copelands (double-puke)?)
Thank you Bart and Martha! I’m a Christian and very proud to call Jesus Christ my savior. People who use this to lash out against Christians and Christian business people are not very educated on Christianity and what it means to be born again. My prayers are with Sheri, Gavin, and Garrett’s family and all the lost who don’t understand that they are in a better place as we mourn.
WOW,
That’s one wicked looking picture of CC! I wonder do people of guilt normally look down, or is it because of all the pictures, being taken?
It sends me back to seeing Melissa Huckaby in the back of the police car. Such satisfaction, I really thought he would run or commit suicide. I know he was at Mom & Dad’s house….unreal! If either one of my son’s did anything like this, or even were thought to have done it….I would have so much shame, they wouldn’t be able to run and hide at my home.
Great work Blink, you would think I would head over to CNN first to get the story….but it’s been blinkoncrime since I discovered your website, witt and skill.
It appears that all of the sociopaths are coming out one after another!
Sandra Cantu’s murderer, Craig List Killer, Casey Anthony, and now Coleman! How sad that they cannot be recognized BEFORE they kill!
They have no remorse at all. Perhaps one day a “blood test” can pin point these sick-os (Like before getting driver’s license)…
I know that: Cruelty to animals, bed wetting, and starting fires are 3 signs……
My prayers for the loved ones of Sheri, Garret and Gavin. I pray that our Heavenly Father gives you the strength and courage to get through this tragedy.
Tina- Your comment about CC running home to his parents house is right on! I dont know why “they” do that, but remember Neil Entwistle? Ran home to the UK, Scott Peterson was in San Diego (where his parents lived) when arrested, etc. I guess they think their Momma’s will protect them!!! Just like Casey Anthony’s parents! Sick, all of them!!!
Tina said:
“I know that: Cruelty to animals, bed wetting, and starting fires are 3 signs……”
I give a little smack my dogs when they pee in the house or otherwise act up.
I wet my bed when I was young.
I light my grill 3 times a week.
Am I a murderer in waiting? I hate nothing more than generalizations. And that seems to be all that these “holier than thou” types seem to be good at, making generalizations. Whether about murderers, kidnappers, religion, whatever.
It just makes your look ignorant and ill-informed about the world to say such things.
The bottom line is that no matter how hard you try, you will never know until it happens. I know it makes people afraid to not have the knowledge or the control, but that’s life. Get used to it. You can’t stop it.
Uknowmorethanme > I didn’t post that.
Swimmom, TY….I swear, I wouldn’t condone such evil in my home. My husband may moan and groan, over me reading such negitive, depressing news, but I have learned alot of these stories. When I went to a B-Day party last Saturday, I couldn’t believe one women had 2 little boys that ran wild all over this park, she would have had NO clue if someone took one or both of her kids. These stories also help me to raise and guide my children in ways to handle certain situations.
I can usually handle these kind of situations with adults, but add children into it, and I’m pissed off and sad! What ever happened to, treat other’s as you would want to be treated!
Using your Ministry as a no-limit ATM and murdering your family is not even a distant cousin to Christianity.
Hezekiah 23:17-19
rotfl.. lmao
B
All I was saying is that those who would call themselves Christian should read the New Testament. I dare you. Sorry Blink if I offended.
#55 comment-
Joyce Meyer lives the same way. Everything she does is about giving not taking.
Cool JJ’s mom- cause swimmom, me, and I are going to ask us to give us her bling and joy ride in her Benz..awesome!!
Blink…anymore heard on CC trashing the memorial in his yard the day before his arrest? I hope cops got that on tape!!
sorry..as her to give us her bling..lol
Blink-
I’ve enjoyed your posts on the Caylee Anthony thread at Scared Monkeys and that’s what lead me here. You rock! But I have to say judging from the posts, this thread is getting hijacked by the bash-all-Christians posters and the anti-Joyce Meyers/Televangelists crowd.
Hello, people! This is about CHRIS COLEMAN! Remember him? So, he worked security for Joyce Meyers Ministries…big deal. Just because you’re in the garage doesn’t make you a car. Seriously, how old are you people? Quit attacking Joyce Meyers, televangelists, and Chris Coleman’s parents. There no more responsible for his mistakes than you are for your child’s, your spouse’s, or your parents’. Let’s get back on track and discuss Chris Coleman. He’s the suspect under arrest for murdering his beautiful wife and two innocent sons. Why don’t we put our energy to good use and find out what kind of threatening mail the family got, how was their mailbox tampered with, what were the messages spray-painted on the wall, and who saw Chris at the gym that morning. Who worked the check-in desk, what time did Chris come, did he leave and return, and what time did he leave? Was anyone else working out at the same time? How about the trash cans at the gym? Have they been checked for evidence?
Forgot a few…
Where was Chris’ alleged mistress during this time frame? How about in the days preceeding the murder and the weeks after the murder? What do her phone records/computer logs show? Any contact with Chris Coleman? Excessive contact with Chris Coleman? Any surveillance videos of Chris (from the last FL trip)showing him and a mistress at any Joyce Meyers Ministries properties? Did Chris make any unauthorized trips to ministry property, being Security?
just heard that TOD before 3 am and no later than 5 am. Apparently Dr. Baden will be testifying for the prosecution. No link yet.
Chris C. made several oopsies, this one, to me is the biggest.
Yep, thanks for posting, I heard his findings help speed up the arrest. Ok, I like him again. The Mrs, not so much.
B
Re: Comment #5 “Me”
Comment by Me — May 19, 2009 @ 10:36 pm
“Oh, I can.
I think it’s interesting that this guy was involved with Joyce Meyer and her self-help “ministry”.
He got married very young, was heavily involved in his “church”, had his wife doing the home schooling thing (which was no doubt “Christian” in nature)etc. I bet he even went to one of those soul-stripping mega-churches…and tithed.
It’s a cult. What kind of people get involved in cults? Weak people.”
-We go to church, tithe, and home school…along with about 350 other families within a 30 mile radius. Funny, not a single one of us has ever killed our spouses or our children! Oh, puhleez! As for the “weak” comment, you obviously have never home schooled anyone. After sifting through the 33,000+ curriculums available, countless books on individual learning styles,requirements for State regulations and testing (each one differs), planning and documenting each year’s lesson plans and work, choosing or making your own enrichment exercise and experiments, planning/taking/documenting field trips, not to mention the children’s extra-curricular activities- all this and we haven’t even touched the actual teaching part.
-Talk about ignorance gone to seed.
Re: 35 “ME”- one more thing
I hate to burst your preconceived notion, but home schoolers aren’t all Christians. If you did your research, you’d find home schoolers can be atheists, agnostics, pagans, Wiccans, unschoolers, Montessori types, Charlotte Mason types, off-shoot cultists (Branch Davidians, FDLS, etc.), as well as Christians.
Many of the home schooled children I know belong to doctors, lawyers, contractors, pharmacists, nurses, firefighters, hospital administrators, accountants, parole officers, and lots of certified teachers (including the ones in my family). They’re also African-American, Hispanic, Chinese, Asian, Caucasian, and combined heritage.
-Sheesh!
God did not have anything to do with this terrible crime. A human being did. Those without sin cast the first stone. We are all capable of doing disgusting things. There but the grace of God go I. The bible says the enemy of our soul has come to steal, kill and destroy. Thats what we all are having to fight is the sinful nature, but only when we surrender to the Lord are we able to fight this fight. You can’t say you have not ever done anything bad in your life. Liars, cheats, theifs, adulterers, fornication, gluttons, and murderers, are all sinners equal in our need for a Savior. And there is only one that can save us, Jesus. We can’t say since one failed that all are worthless. Thats like saying one grape is bad so we throw away the whole bunch. Not so! There is bad everywhere and in everyone. This whole family needs our prayers and support, not cheap shots and stupidly throwing blame to ministries. We all make our own choices as to wheather we will live right or not. No one can do it for us, therefore, others can not be blamed for our right or wrong choice. We will all answer for ourselves when we stand before our maker. THis is such a terrible crime, but we need to pray for justice. But in the end God will be the ultimate judge.
Honestly? Honestly– Thou do protesteth too much!
Dr. Baden? I love Dr. Baden!! A lot more then Henry Lee!! As a nurse I have to say blood pools really fast after death- his testimony should be interesting. I saw the St. Louis Post did state some about the memorial down after CC visited. I’ll be glad when this guy’s put away for good..it’s shocked and saddened our town like you wouldn’t believe.
I love him too, and yes, more than Lee, lol. A CC neighbor told me the story about him tossing out the memorial from the scene, its true.
B
Blink -
Anything on the plural part of “forms” of ligature comment attributed to MCS Major Jeff Connors? Huh.
I was surprised by that as well. I had heard only Mom was strangled with a form of a ligature, and the boys were not.
I guess at this point it doesn’t really matter, I dont think it’s possible it could be more gruesome.
B
“It was insinuated since this guy was a “christian” and his father was a preacher and he worked for Joyce Meyer it somehow explains why he would kill his wife and kids. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.”
Let’s say that this is what was insinuated. Why is it dumb?
JM is a crook.
Most Americans who care enough to tell everyone they encounter that they’re “a Christian” are merely people caught up in the pseudo-Christian cult commonly referred to as “fundamentalist Christianity”. Mega churches, home-schooling, no “worldy” music etc. It’s a style, nothing more. As such…it doesn’t surprise me one bit that someone involved in it would do something like this. One has to be very weak to begin with to start in with all of that.
Dear UKnowMoreThanMe,
When I was younger and my son not yet in school, our neighbors had a son who was the devil no kidding! He was same age as my daughter when we moved to this former residence and in 2nd grade. My daughter feared this kid who would 1) go into the back yard and beat the trees with a BAT for literally an hour sometimes. 2) SEARCHED relentlessly for bird nests to KILL the babies (I spoke to his dad and said I didn’t want him in my trees to which the dad exclaimed “he’s just being a boy.” 3) his mother told me that although in 2nd grade, he still wet the bed almost nightly and she thought it was out of spite! NO kidding! That’s not even the half of it.
I remember telling my husband that boy WILL kill someone some day. Guess what? He did @ 17 yrs of age. I was SOOOOO not surprised. What he did was get drunk and take his dad’s truck to bring his GF for a ride. Apparently (his own words) they got into a serious fight and he rammed the vehicle into a bank which killed the girl instantly. His sentence was pitiful…2 yrs as he’s JUST turned 17 and was released @ 18. All he got for taking a life.
(by the way, I light my grill too about every day ;>)
hey Honestly..I see we’ve “honestly” touched off a nerve with you. If anyone were to tell me I was going to hell because I didn’t attend church, I’d laugh in their face and ask when God decided to make them a judge? The Bible teaches us to be wary as serpents and gentle as doves. We can discuss what we believe to be obvious because the Bible also teaches to be “angry and sin not”. So…where are we sinning by noticing JM flaunts her wealth and talking about it amoungst ourselves?
I listen to a man online from the west coast who some do feel is not Christian because he is Jewish and slams alot of what people view as “modern Christianity” today that does fly in the faces of folks like JM, Copeland, Benny Hinn, etc. Since his ministry has helped me LOADS in seeing the error of my own ways that I will work to correct throughout my lifetime, I simply ignore such talk. Why don’t you do the same if you like JM so much?
Is this a Godly and humble lifestyle I wonder? Keep in mind anything the “ministry” purchases is from tithe/donations. Also, remember that birds of a feather flock together and those who crave power are drawn to those who exibit the same desire. I feel that is relevant since CC was drawn to this ministry where it was EASY to hide his adultry and live as he pleased without an eye on him or question. I cannot believe NO one knew of this affair at one of the ministry’s homes. someone saw/knew something. Just that HE got caught!
As for whether his poor wife knew what CC was really like (not sucha nice guy), I think so. She like many women probably sucked up alot of emotional abuse and lack of true love from him for the sake of her children which is common.
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http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/facts/falseprophets.htm
Quote from article: Joyce Meyer says God has made her rich.
Everything she has came from Him: the $10 million corporate jet, her husband’s $107,000 silver-gray Mercedes sedan, her $2 million home and houses worth another $2 million for her four children — all blessings, she says, straight from the hand of God.
It’s been an amazing run, nothing short of a miracle, says Meyer, a one-time bookkeeper (hmmm?) who heads one of the world’s largest television ministries. Her Life in the Word organization expects to take in $95 million this year.
Just look around, she told reporters last month from behind her desk on the third floor of the ministry’s corporate offices in Jefferson County.
“Here I am, an ex-housewife from Fenton, with a 12th-grade education,” she said. “How could anybody look at this and see anything other than God?”
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I find her last statement incredible! When I look at MANY a movie star, or info-mercial personality…Donald Trump…rappers from the street with the same type of earthly belongings then NO…I do NOT expect God did this for them. Maybe someone should remind JM of the scripture says about the LOVE OF MONEY?
Blink – Is seems as if it’s happening more frequently than ever before. The senseless killing of innocent people by the hand of someone they should have been able to trust completely. Perhaps we simply have more people roaming the earth…therefore, by default, there are more incidents such as these. Or do you think it is something more insidious, Blink?
Locals have said: the time of death was sometime “…BEFORE 3am to no later the 5am.” This puts Coleman in house at time of murders.
Also Coleman’s “…computer seized from his house contains the origination of the “threats” against his family.”
And neighbor has said late in the night they could hear a loud argument coming from the Coleman house
Also found: Coleman didn’t leave the house @ 5:43 a.m. as reported, he left earlier and went to someone elses house before going to the gym and began making phone calls.
Whose house?
B
I stumbled upon this site yesterday and I must say I am very glad I did. This is by far the best source for information. Have they or you released the name of the girlfriend in Largo, Florida yet? Have there been any other updates?
TY, I have not, they have not, but it is findable, I just choose not to without any real link to what happend. This woman, making no judgements on my part, is wearing a scarlet letter with 3 initials, imo, and nothing anyone else can do could be worse than that.
B
Kelly^ it’s like NOTHING that I’ve ever seen before and I was born in 1970.
I have noticed that ppl are really… losing it! they have become,rude,self entitled,selfish and just down right,hateful. I do go by the Bible and it talks about the last days,humans being > lovers of selves< it makes sense. Here we are.
I’m not impressed with comment #35 – “Seems this ex-Marine preacher’s kid is typical of all the preacher’s kids our mothers and society warn us about.” – just as blink defended the marine’s – I am a preacher’s kid – like Brenda. – beware – the way Augie generalizes also means that every blond headed and blue eyed married man will cheat on and kill his wife with his own bare hands… it’s a ridiculous and ignorant analogy. What Chris Coleman did is horrible – but we shouldn’t judge others – especially based on things that he can’t help – do you think for one second that I had any say in whether or not I was going to be a preacher’s kid – probably no more than you did in deciding what your father was going to do to make a living… just because this monster was a preacher’s kid and a marine or USAF, whichever it is, I’ve heard both being reported – doesn’t mean that every marine/preachers kid/USAF/blond headed/blue-eyed man is a monstrous murderer. – Judge not that ye be not judged.
and for Chris – Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord –
justice will be served, whether in this life or the next no one can know.
True. AND I stand corrected. Coleman was in the Marines. It was pointed out to me by a friend whose theory was “maybe you just dont want him to be a jarhead”. I concur. Hear that sound? That was the sound of my Poppa rolling over in his grave that a man like that could disgrace the Corp. Semper Fi anyway.
B
Naw Blink, he disgraces the human race!
CNN reported fairly early on that all three were killed with some form of ligature. Is this true? I also read that Sheri was killed by strangulation with a coat hanger.
Every time he is transferred somewhere that he steps into public view people are shouting Baby Killer, etc.
I reckon them two little fellers was just all American kids. Every picture had ‘em grinning ear to ear. Mom was a hottie. She grinned a lot too. I reckon someone needs his guts stomped out.
I can confirm the coat hanger. I question the acount on the kids, but I cant say definatively.
Right, she was. and he was a NOT Tie.
B
Hi, I have been finding this site very fascinating. I wanted to comment on the cruelty to animals, bed wetting, and starting fires… I had a foster son for a couple years who was dxed with Attachment Disorder, and these are a few of the signs of it, it’s very true. This was an experience I am still digesting and suffice it to say, I now feel I have an understanding of how and why people can do these things. I took part in a support group for parents of kids with AD (mostly adoptive & foster parents) and we were all dealing with the same things. It’s hard to explain the whole experience and what these kids are like, you just can’t imagine it unless you’ve lived with it. But I really feel that if we, as a society, could understand how this happens to kids and address it, we could go a long ways to making the world a safer place. A website that describes it in case anyone is curious, http://www.attachment.org/pages_what_is_rad.php
Anyways, thanks for a great site, Blink, it’s become part of my daily routine.
comment #5 – you said the boys were homeschooled, but according to everything in the media and even a comment made by the mayor today, the Coleman boys attended public school.
Noone is responsible for this horrible crime except the one who did it. Not his parents, any church, any religion or god. To blame other things for this senseless and horrendous act takes some of the blame of the man who did it. That shouldn’t be acceptable to anyone.
B- I understand what your friend meant, most of us from his hometown tried hard to withhold judgement until more info was released, it got increasingly harder to do as the two weeks went on.
For some of us I think it was more how could we not see or know evil? It’s supposed to be ugly, not the guy next door, the guy you went to school with, or attended church with.
Giving Evil a face is the hardest self-lesson, imo. I learned this., or, finally accepted the fact about 10 years ago. I was attending some con ed training in Fla. The lecturer was a chief pediatric forensic psychologist.
I sat in that class for 10 hours per day over 3 days and heard/learned more debochery and profiling of kids/tweens I ever wanted to know. I knew the Proff had done an extensive amount of work with the students of Columbine.
I literally stalked the proff all over the hotel property because I wanted to pick his brain for obvious occupational issues.
Finally successful in tracking him down, I asked him from his perspective, could he help me through the background of the Columbine incident. His answer: I have been in this field for almost 3o years and have come to the conclusion that there are those that are born evil. I am not speaking specifically in the Columbine case, but absent chemical explanation, that is just how I see it.
B
READ THE BIBLE PEOPLE…ALL YOUR ANSWERS ARE IN THERE.
No offense but the Bible can’t tell me where my car keys are.
Not being glib or disrespectful, I am a deeply spiritual person, I just dont like that blatant, carte blanche, defying practical application “read the bible”. Spirituality is deeply individual, no reading of any one book should be touted as “the answer”
B
Tisha just hasn’t bothered to learn how many of those preacher’s kids have ended up doing heinous deeds while hiding behind their family’s “reputation” linked to their churches. Tithing obviously has its benefits for the recipients.
Melissa Huckaby behind bars for confessing to Sandra Cantu’s murder, preacher’s kid from preacher Lawless – the grandfather she was living with – who’s owm church in Washington State was taken down via pedophilia ring case wherein over 20 church members were convicted. The preacher and wife the only accused not convicted but they were the only ones with the cash money to pay for a high powered attorney.
Two other of the Huckaby brood – jail birds. One for rape of 14-year old girl in the Sacramento area – within days of the Cantu murder and the other for non-stop chronic drug charges and DUI’s.
Our neighbors, pastor of Church of Christ – both sons behind bars for rape after having been sexually abused themselves by a church elder. The pastor’s youngest son, just knocked up a teen girl church member recently told her: if god didn’t want us to have sex, he wouldn’t give me an erection.” He convinced the little girl to join his “godly” self in the back of the church bus.
Only years ago my brother’s neighbor’s 12-daughter was murdered by yet another preacher’s son in the ‘burbs who convinced the little girl walking to 7-11 for an ice cream cone she could have ice cream in the church where he raped and killed her.
She was found dumped in a garbage bag with church letterhead/garbage on the main road only blocks from her home.
Re: Attachment Disorder… it happens so early in infancy that it seems like the person might have been born that way. Not saying that is the only reason people commit murder and do wrong, by any means. But this is a big part of where we get the people who have no empathy, no conscience and no remorse.
Anyone know anything about Coleman’s immediate family, other than Dad being a minister. Does he have siblings? What is their story? I’m sure I must’ve just missed this in all the reporting, but I am curious as to his psychological profile (other than anal-psychotic). Boy, the families on both sides must just be heartsick.
I was born in 1960 and have been fascinated by true crime since my Mom followed the Jeffrey Macdonald (Green Beret) Murder of his pregnant wife and two lil girls early 70′s. It does seem that we’re hearing more and more about these type killings, but think too, that the population is so much larger and communication is instant now.
My personal belief is that sociopaths – those with no conscience – evolved for specific reasons of survival. Humans needed a trait, perhaps, that allowed certain ones to be able to make tough decisions w/o dwelling on the sentimental (for lack of a better word.) I read a study that most Presidents/CEO’s/Surgeons have sociopathic tendencies – enabling them to make tough life/death decisions w/o being destroyed by the “collateral damage.” I sometimes try to pick out the sociopaths in my daily life – usually very successful and attractive people that wear “the mask” of sanity/concience quite well.
Sorry for the long post, but as you can tell, I find this entire phenomenom fascinating.
Getting back to family killer MacDonald – this Coleman is very similar – perhaps overcompensating with the whole Marine/Security thing. After much research, I found myself totally agreeing with Fatal Vision MacGinnis’ theory that MacDonald, in a sleep deprived/amphetamine rage, savagely beat Colette and Kimberley to death and then coldly and calculatedly stabbed Baby Kristen to death. In this case, I suspect “roid rage”/steroid abuse fueled rage during an argument with wife/coat hanger . . . followed by the strangling of the two boys/collateral damage.
Some of the notes have strayed from the crime and to religion. As a Christian, I see many of the objections against Christians as the same arguments that Jesus had with the religious leaders of his time. Religious leaders, (e.g. the Pharisees) were presenting themselves as the best people around therefore deserving, through their good works, in Gods eyes.
If the world is looking for Christians to be ‘good’ before they accept Christ, it ain’t gonna happen. When a Christian sins, whether it be murder, or love of money, or adultery, or theft, I rejoice because I know that it is not our acts that make us deserving of God’s love, but His grace and forgiveness.
Jesus made it clear in many places, that as humans, we are not perfect. In Matthew 5:21-22 Jesus said: “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment.” This means that if we are angry with someone, we are on the same level as a murderer, in God’s eyes!
And that’s why it is called the “Good News”. If you confess your sins and accept Jesus in faith, you will be forgiven. The price for the judgment was paid when Jesus died on the cross.
All the answers are in the bible…why all this stuff is happening in the world…why people are killing their families, strangers,co-workers, ect…Putting aside the fact that he worked for a ministry he is human, prone to sin, as we all are. Some of us are better equipped to make the right choices in life than others are. Worldly justice will be enforced, but it is GOD’S justice that counts.
P.S. being too litteral with that car keys comment,B. I’m pretty sure you know that’s not what I meant.
I am not disrespecting you, but of course I was too literal. That was the point. I dont like people being treated like “Sheeple for the Steeple”. Read this, do everything it says, and therefore… Its not practical to deliver a message that way for people that have been taught not to just “follow” anymore for their own spiritual development and frankly, safety. For me, a very spiritual person, the Bible is a playbook. I was fortunate to have been raised in an enviornment that supported its teachings, but we were not quoting scripture in the home. It is the foundation for the explanation of some things taught by our parents and grandparents, but in the end, it is the lesson of why some things are good, some things are evil, and examples of why that is so. The very fact that there is an old testament vs. a new testaments says to me someone was aware of the need for evolution of ideals at some point.
I guess I dont like my “religion” spoon fed to me in the way of a permanent bound novel, and if I dont swallow it in one gulp I need to purchase a flame retardant suit for later. That and the fact that if others view their spirituality the same way, that they are somehow wrong for it. Not true.
B
Blink wrote: “It is the foundation for the explanation of some things taught by our parents and grandparents, but in the end, it is the lesson of why some things are good, some things are evil, and examples of why that is so. The very fact that there is an old testament vs. a new testaments says to me someone was aware of the need for evolution of ideals at some point.”
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You get an Amen from this preacher’s kid! My father said the Bible was a roadmap to God…not the road. Christ Himself said much learning wasn’t the answer, but that the Word needed to be written in our hearts. I’ve come to learn that we must come to a point that sinning/doing wrong for our own benefit ON PURPOSE is the sin…not spilling the milk, losing our car keys ;>), providing an incorrect answer on a math test…no…that is not sinning. Lying to your boss you are sick when you want off to fish, THAT is a lie/sin. Saying it’s “ok to sin” because we confess it to a priest, NO, that is mocking God. To continue to drink or smoke and ask forgiveness daily although you are unable to quit…NO…not how it’s supposed to be. I had a drinking problem myself and felt very uncomfortable asking for forgiveness when I realized it was something “deep” inside me disallowing me to quit. As Paul said, “what I want to do I cannot, and what I do not want to do I do.” He was tormented as I was. I finally learned I was simply resenting past wrongs which was also sin! After truly realizing the root of my problem, desire went away on it’s own. As the REAL Savior reveals Himself to us, we can either accept Him and SEE OUR OWN FAULT/PART in our bad situation, or we can be angry to see it. JMO, but as for the Bible, it is a roadmap and has to be the Word of God in it’s entirety, or a total waste of time. Cannot be both. I believe it’s what it claims to be.
Up until this point, I have been a lurker. I prefer to remain one. But before I abscond, may I suggest that debates over the putative legitimacy/illegitimacy of the JMM, the applicability of the Bible, homeschooling, etc. be reserved for other venues? These are important matters, no doubt. But as far as this site is concerned, they strike me as being largely tangential.
I would prefer to talk/read about the criminal cases on which blink is committed to reporting.
I agree, I got sucked in, my bad. I believe I said almost exactly that several posts ago and broke my own rule!!
B
The Bible is open to your own personal interpretation. Not all Christians blindly follow someone who talks alot. I go to church every weekend. I give $5-$10. But any Christian knows that you don’t have to go to church, you don’t have to read the Bible, you don’t have to do anything except accept Christ as your savior and try to be good to your fellow man. Just because someone goes to church, or says they are Christian, doesn’t mean they really are. The fact that so many people use religion as a way to verify they are good to other people has watered it down. Sit in a courtroom some day and tell me how man people stand in front of the judge and claim to be religious. They are lying. They are trying to soften their image. You know it, I know it.
I do not have to confess my faith to anyone but God himself.
I read the Bible. I don’t read it to try to find my car keys (not well though out). I read it to give ME direction, comfort, and whenever I can find it, understanding.
You said it yourself B, It is the foundation for what is good vs what is evil. It helps you recognize when evil is tempting you and how to defeat it. It’s much cheaper alternative to expensive therapy that does the same thing. (Disclaimer, some people can’t be helped no matter what, you have to want to help yourself.)
But that’s just one man’s view.