Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Conway and the Anthonys Lose in Court-Autopsy Released
Orlando, FL– Appearing in Court today at 11am, Brad Conway, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, argued unsuccessfully against the release of the autopsy report in the death of their granddaughter, 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony.
As reported exclusively at blinkoncrime.com in the second installment of the Scamthony Series, I am at a loss as to how this motion made the docket in the first place, let alone how Judge Strickland felt compelled to stay it’s release.
Late afternoon yesterday, a Notice of Provisional In Camera review was filed by Conway, presumably to request Judge Strickland review the report in camera, and hopefully find it prejudicial and sealing it for that reason. This backdoor strategy is in lieu of a request from the only person with standing to autopsy be sealed, Casey Anthony.
Appearing in court first George Anthony made an empassioned plea to Stan Strickland that he seal the autopsy and give his family “some dignity.”
Conway argued that the release does not contain any new information and it’s release will only further damage Caysey criminal trial Linda Drubnick, Prosecuting Attorney in the criminal case against Casey Anthony, objected that he does not represent her and the Anthony’s have no standing.
Arguing for the Sentinel, Ms. Fugate asked George Anthony how many TV appearances he and his wife have made regarding this case, George answered he had no idea.
Strickland found the matter cut and dry based on the Public Information legislation, and denied Conways motion.
Enter Baez. I am not kidding. Once the motion was denied Baez requested a 48 hour stay for the defense to decide if they would file a motion to seal on Casey’s behalf. WTH you say? Nothing more than his puppetteering Conway to file this motion in the hopes it succeeded. God Forbid his Client look like she was bothered by the release and filing it herself.
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So hence my belief fairwitness that the anthonys point to kc as the killer with every word they speak. the baez team is using their anger and guilt to build a defensee for kc.and also why the state is now seeking the dp. So kc will have to give us the truth.
Jenn, you’re right, the autopsy does look like murder.
I wonder if and when the FBI report on the duct tape will be released.
I FOUND THIS POSTED ON HAL’S COMMENTS.
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I understand the pain the Anthony’s are in but the comment George made about waiting until the report is released during trial points only to the family trying to save Casey, not justice for Caylee. Anthonys are afraid that the report will paint a worse picture of Casey and guess what? It has. I believe that poor baby girl was suffocated by duct tape over not only her mouth but her nose. The Anthonys care only about Casey’s trial,not the truth and do all they can to stop the truth from coming out. They lie, they retract, they deny. The report speaks for itself and is a voice for Caylee, one she does not get from her own family. If she were my granddaughter I would want the truth, no matter the consequences. Funny that for once Cindy did not speak, only George. I can only assume she has finally gotten the message that no one wants to hear anything she has to say as it has been lie after lie, one anger outburst afer another,not a shred of credibility – only concerned with how it will help Casey’s defense. As a mother I am outraged over what was done to Caylee and sickened by the antics of her mother and grandparents. To George and Cindy: Demand the truth, confront Casey, stop coddling her and do whatever it takes to find out what really happened. Save the taxpayers from footing the bill and do the decent thing. Caylee deserves justice, we have all taken her into our hearts and want to see justice prevail. Read the report, see what animals did to her body (yes,they ate her!) and then go look the public in the eye and explain why YOU dont want to know the truth or want to postpone until your daughters trial to help her. It has nothing to do with privacy and all to do with protecting Casey; releasing now or at trial is a ruse and we see right through you. Only Casey knows what happened to Caylee, she needs to tell the truth and you need to stop protecting Casey. I have never posted to any blog or column re this case but this article touched me and felt I had to express my feelings. Caylee was beautiful, a gift, and she should have the spotlight. Releasing this report gave her a voice the Anthony’s keep silencing. I am glad it was released and hope the Anthony’s read it.
Posted by: IrateMom | June 19, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Posts: 281 | Registered: 09-16-08
I don’t think the state should offer a plea to kc. They should stay the course go all the way with what they have and let the jury decide her fate.
comment #134 FairestWitness…..if you watch the Larry King latest interview with G&C Larry asks “was Casey ever abused”? …. George uncomfortably nodded his head in denial …….I firmly now believe he is NOT caylee’s father…but if all along Casey had him believing at least he WAS…..the only person possible……..I can not see any father in a ‘situation’ such as that going for a paternity test!!!?????…so…………that is the 1 and only reason for the cover up so to speak after the original co-operation with the FBI ect…….pre-suicide attempt……….he may have realized how public after the fact…the interview would become and especially IF Casey knew he told all on her……..she could tell ALL on HIM…..also..explaining the absolute koooooooooky behavior prior even to the murder of the entire bunch of them…….and we saw the tables sharply turn PRO Casey ………by the time the memorial came around….Lee too had to have been told that it was POSSIBLE that George could be the father….why he NEVER WORE THE CAYLEE BADGE on his shirt…knowing Casey would be watching……………….his way of telling her..he “got it” understood now…..they had NO clue at that time what any possible paternity result may show that may be conducted….
Someone help me find reference to a ‘hairline fracture’? I must have missed it and can’t find it from keyword search of the docs yet. Thanks.
But did find another note– going to the ‘backyard’ placement of the body then moved to the swamp. The skull was found within the black bag, wasn’t it? Protected by the plastic? There was ‘soil’ found in the hair mat. The results of this might show whether the soil could be consistent with the Anthony’s back yard or with the swamp area or both.
FairestWitness-
“They have every right to be”
IMHO- The apple does not fall far from the tree in this family.
Casey is nothing more than an extension of her parents. Who are
pathological liars, fly into fits of rage, and think nothing of threatening other people when things don’t go their way.
Watching this whole thing play out has been like watching a bad reality T.V. show. Starring the “Lying Anthony’s” Casey has lied so much about the murder of her daughter that she believes her own lies and feels no remorse. G and C want to believe Casey so much that they are willing to exploit the murder of the granddaughter for their own monetary gains. Sick Sick Sick
These people have a narcistic personality “They can do no WRONG!
I have absolutely no sympathy for any one of them. I only wish that the court could find them all guilty.
Hi Blink,
Great job as always. I just wanted to say that I believed for a long time that this was an accident probably due to negligence or abuse that went too far. I don’t believe that anymore. I belive that diary that was found says it all. I believe that is was written in 2008 and not 2003. I believe those pages were removed, just like Caylee was removed and her pictures (like another poster has said). I believe that Caylee was in the yard for a short period of time. Probably not left there. I think that Casey borrowed the shovel to bury her and then realized how much work and time that would take and decided to leave her under the playhouse until she could bag her back up and put her back in the trunk. I think that the dogs or Cindy and George did find something in the yard and either that item had the smell of decomp on it or just the area in general did. They know the smell, remember? Anyway, that is why they searched the yard. They know that Casey is capable of this and always have, or they would have called the police right away. This is why they wanted Casey to have time to explain. They felt that this was going to be more than she could explain and when she came up with the Nanny story they originally latched onto it in their hopes that maybe, just maybe Casey didn’t do this. They know now that she did and Cindy can’t live with that fact. So, she pretends she believes that Casey is innocent. She couldn’t bear anyone thinking her family is anything but perfect.
I guess my only question is this: Do you think that whatever they found in the yard they gave to the police? I’m thinking no. Do you think the police have whatever this is?
No, I don’t.
B
Well, I have no idea where I came up with that….. Must have been the two days in the hay field in 100 degree plus weather. Seriously. Unless someone in my home decided to play one on me. It’s happened on my FB account too. One thinks it’s funny to make me look silly…. my apologies
I havent the slightest idea what your talking about
B
BTW Blink-
I read somewhere that the Ortiz family had hired a lawyer and wanted DNA tests run when the autopsy was performed. Did anyone ever hear if Jesus was indeed the father?
That has not been disclosed yet.
B
Anyone using an online calendar for the case they would recommend? I saw the one on docstop, but wondered if there is a better one perhaps. (and realized after visiting doc stop,my earlier paver post now appears non-sensical:) my bad.
I have a few points to make, in regards to a few posts, but wanted to start with something, a question really, for Blink. I indicated that C and G only randomly called Casey when she first left, then Cindy called constantly on July 3rd, and everyday thereafter. So, therefore, I agree that they did find something on July 3rd that led them to believe something could be wrong with Caylee. However, after going back through Amy Huzienga’s texts to Casey, I’m now convinced. I’m thinking Casey felt as though she needed a stash of cash to get out of town maybe? Considering July 3rd was also the night Casey stole the cash money from Amy. Later trying to convince Amy otherwise, even offering to help her look for it. What do you think? Could just be a coincidence, but could be she started getting the calls from Cindy and thought she better get some money??
Also, wanted to add that I agree totally with the name calling. I personally have only ever used their real names, simply because I want to make sure they know who I’m talking about, if they were to ever read any comments anyone leaves. ha!
#232 I don’t think George is necessarily mad about the truth. I think George’s anger comes from not telling the truth. Lying is hard to do, and to keep up with this story? Geesh. I think he gets angry when questioned now, because he is lying and either wants to create a diversion with his anger, or simply because he is agitated by all the lies and deception.
I can’t figure out where people are coming up with the theory of George or Cindy paying off a juror. Makes no sense to me, but to each his own. However, I believe that would be very hard to do, even for the most cash poor person, most people hate them, or want Casey punished so much, they wouldn’t be willing to do it. Imo of course.
I still don’t believe this was accidental, by way of negligence, or otherwise. Consider this…. People are talking about Casey being a sociopath. BUT, if she had just reported an accident, called 911 let’s say, then we might never had heard of this case, or if we did, we would be looking at it totally different. The reasons for Casey appearing sociopathic most often is her attitude, how flippant she is about all this, no emotions. Even a sociopath CAN (maybe not always) but CAN and DO show emotions in the event of an accident they were not expecting, and/or secretly wishing for on some level. Hopefully I’m making my point. I’m basically trying to say that had it been a true accident, in any sense of the word, by this point in the game, there would have been some remorse, guilt, or just grieving type emotions from Casey. I’m still of the firm belief that she did this intentionally, whether it was a split second decision or premed. Otherwise, there would at some point be some type of sorrow. From Casey to this date, there has been NONE, except on a few different days. The first was her bond hearing, when she thought she wasn’t getting out. The 2nd, the day Cindy had finally questioned her a long time and she was sick of it, either because Cindy was getting close with answers, or because it was just disrupting her non-caring emotional state. The 3rd was when they found remains that weren’t said to be Caylee’s until much later. Those are all 3 related to Casey herself, she cared nothing for that child.
According to cfnews13, Dominic Casey, a private investigator for Baez, visited Casey on Aug. 8.
Baez has kept Casey isolated from all family and friends, and it just seems a bit odd that Baez felt it important for Dominic Casey to meet with him and Casey in the jail on August 8.
Geraldo At Large had Linda Kenney Baden on the show last night. (Sun. 6/21/09). She brought up the arguement that there may be NO CAYLEE DNA on the duct tape around Caylee’s head. Of course everyone on the panel, including Geraldo did not believe that that was the case, but LKB certainly tried to paint that picture…..No Caylee DNA on the duct tape.(No skin cells, tissue cells etc. etc.)
Well that screams volumes to me, she should have just said her latents are all over the tape, but not her DNA so someone stole her fingertips I guess, wth?
B
cindy and george didnt even think it was an accident,(yuri & ja’s interview with george)that’s one thing that’s bugged me,if this were my sister ,friend ,daughter, there would episode after episode of me trying to crack /convince casey that there was no nanny it must of been an accident and stop the charade.anger and violence? no reports ever?suposedly george threw his father thru a glass window,cindy chokes casey,george buys a gun,cindy comes at the camera with a hammer,practically goes at zenida in the depo(with words),george sprays people with a hose,stomps angrily out of the courtroom ,the anger and violence c&a show to the public is disturbing,very wrong and indicitive of something…
Also, to add to my last post. I don’t believe that Caylee was chloroformed. I believe that either Casey or her parents used gasoline and chloroform to clean that car and that smell.
MSNBC Dr. Werner Spitz says nothing says ‘murder’ to him. Says he saw the body, no duct tape was there when he saw it, says no ‘glue’ or anything from duct tape on the body. It was only attached to the hair as the flesh was gone with any glue.
This morning’s report from MSNBC: http://www.wesh.com/news/19821493/detail.html
Conway also on front and center in this report and says judge struggled with decision to release autopsy results. He answers the question of one reader about ‘letters’ between parents and Casey– Conway said letters exchanged ‘through Baez’. So that makes them absolutely confidential as they now are part of the lawyer client priv, one would expect. They can plan and plot and share info, without anyone knowing.
The fact that she had the television program…(don’ remember name)that was about an abducted child) looking up “neck-breaking, chlor., and other ways to kill, tells ms that Casey murdered her. She wanted her dead. When Cindy choked her, that was he final straw. She was so filled with intense rage that she could no longer control herself. In her mind, that was the best way to punish Cindy, and get on with her life. I will never believe that it was an “accident.” I also don’t think anyone helped her move the body. If someone did, I think it was Lee.
Your blog just gets better and better! Thank you! Everyone on here is so imformed…it’s amazing.
The reason the grandparents of Caylee (I WILL NOT dignify nor show any kind of respect to them by using their names)are angry is they know they are responsible for the behavior of their offspring, aka where did she learn it and who enabled it, and IMO they knew a long time ago she was a ticking time bomb. I also believe they found something, as Blink has suggested, on the 4th of July when they were working in the backyard (possibly Caylee’s shoes) to cause them to believe something had happened. What did they do, stick their heads in the sandbox. I do not think they could have “prevented” Caylee’s death, but their conduct and behavior has shown no IMO respect to Caylee. They are lashing out because they refuse to accept reality. The more they do, IMO, the more disrespectful they become IMO.
I also think the FBI/ prosecution has imformation the public knows nothing about. Otherwise, the would not have put the DP back on the table.
Susan #2,
I’ve reread the forensics on Caylee’s remains which state nothing was there to indicate any trauma to the skeleton. Here’s what Orlando Sentinal reported:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-caylee-casey-anthony-autopsy-061909,0,6736324.story
“Although there is no trauma evident on the skeleton, there is duct tape over the lower facial region still attached to head hair,” the report said. “This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition keeping the mandible in place.”
Where did you hear there was a hairline fracture? I cannot find mention of it in any of the documents just released, but realize I may have missed it.
Also, this is another rather disturbing report that basically confirms what I already felt was true…little Caylee died a traumatic death. If you can, read this:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/caylee-anthony-autopsy-suggests-she-suffered-tremendously.html
Trunk Stains and Odors, Post #’s 208 & 215: The report for that analysis clearly shows human decomposition evidence in the trunk of Casey’s car. I don’t know about the DNA results because the tests were performed elsewhere.
Car trunk analysis: “Out of 24 compounds detected in the Florida trunk sample which did not overlap with known or possible gasoline constituents, 16 (67%) known not be associated with human decompositional events were detected in the odor signature from the Florida trunk carpet sample whose source could not be potentially linked to any of the controls which were analyzed…. Of these 16 compounds, sever were identified as significant human decomposition chemicals. Only five of these seven compounds are being used to draw conclusions about the possibility of a decompositional even occurring….”
The duct tape evidence is the key. If Caylee was alive at the time of the duct taping – and Casey had no intention of killing her – only knocking her out for a while or silencing her, she would have only duct taped her mouth not her nose and definitely not extending toward her hair which would have made it impossible to get off without a lot of pain to Caylee or using a scissors to cut part of her hair off with the tape. If she had intent to kill her then obviously she would have also covered her nose and extended the tape to the hair. Also if the child was dead she would have done the same thing. As I believe that if this truly was an accident Casey, even if terrified of Cindy, would have admitted it by now, then I have to conclude this was no accident.
The manner of the tape over the skull shows us either she used this as a method to suffocate the child, or she killed her in some other way and duct taped her immediately after death to make it look like a kidnapping. Either way the duct tape makes it a premediated act as there is no reason that Casey at this point would not have admitted by now if it were an accident.
these two really make me sick. I have read the autopsy 2 times…..The Anthony’s want diginity?????? You have got to be kidding me….They run all over the United States running their mouths
for now reason other then to get a free trip, hotel and some damn good food and they want diginity NOW? Oh brother. Where was that little girls diginity as mommy wrapped duct tape around her mouth? God I hope she wasn’t sstill alive then. These two so called grand parents really need to sit down and SHUT THE HELL UP ! They really need to come to terms that their dear sweet angel CASEY KILLED THIS SWEET CHILD outa spite. SHe wasn’t ready for a kid and granny knew it…Party Hardy Casey wanted to party, cheat, lie and steal. Im sorry. The Anthony’s have alot to answer for…..They knew she didn’t want Casey, they knew she was stealing everything that wasn’t nailed down…..Whether Casey killed her by accident or not……SHe was unfit to handle a child…And now…they BOOHOO all over the place….Where and the hell were these two when Caylee needed them? These two knuckleheads need to wake the hell up and really smell the coffee…CASEY DID IT…..and there NO PROOF to say she didn’t….God they really make me sick….At least Oprah had the sense to keep these two fools OFF tv……..
2nd thought here on the potential hairline fracture…if it is there, possibly occurred when Kronk picked up the bag and the head fell out? Sorry that sound harsh…
I haven’t read all the comments, but I noticed a few references to dates that I believe are incorrect.
Just FYI:
Casey was arrested on July 16, 2008.
Casey was released on bond at 10:30am on August 21 (bond arranged by Leonard and Tony Padilla).
George ordered a handgun on August 29.
Casey was arrested on the first of several check fraud charges on August 29; detectives took her from the Anthony home in handcuffs around 8:30pm.
Leonard and Tony Padilla revoked Casey’s bond in the early morning hours of August 30 (around 1:00am).
George picked up his handgun on September 4.
On September 5, Casey was again released on bond; two Orlando bondsmen split the coverage.
Also on September 5, George’s gun was confiscated.
What did I miss, I am aware of all the dates-
B
Well it looks like the prosecution filed a motion to get a photo of Casey’s tatoo…I have always wondered why a bigger deal had not been made about the fact she got a tatoo that means “a beautiful life” after her daughter is gone. I have not even heard of someone asking Cindy and George about it. I find that strange. If I were a juror, there is no way the defense could explain the tatoo away – that and the 31 days, of course.
FairestWitness, I agree with you about the altercation (June 15) but I am going to take it one step further.
Cindy discovers the stolen money from papa and confronts Casey. Casey screams back, CIndy almost chokes her. I have a feeling they’d had this scene before, or some variation of it.
The difference this time: Cindy tells Casey to start taking responsibility for Caylee or Cindy is going to seek custody. Somewhere the words were mentioned: “Casey went off to bond with Caylee..”
So what are Casey’s choices (from her point of view)??
1) move in with Tony. After all, from the night of the 15th almost continuously for 24 hours she is texting or speaking on the phone w/ Tony. What is Tony saying? (do we have that text?) It is generally alleged that Tony did not want to live with the child.
2) move in with Amy. Casey later drums up many fictional scenarios in which she (and Caylee presumably) will be sharing a house with Amy, but they are all impossible alternatives and completely outside the edge of reality, based on untruths: parents’ divorce, parents giving them house to live in, parents buying them house, etc etc.
SO—- Casey goes back to scenario one: move in with Tony. BUT: have to get rid of the child.
One problem I have with the whole story: if Cindy & Casey had showdown night of 15th, wouldn’t Cindy have shared this w/ George when he returned from work at 11:00 that night? Doesn’t seem logical he & Casey would just have a friendly wave good-bye the next morning, with no confrontation.
I have been reading on this site for a while, however with no expertise in matters of crime, other than common sense, I have not commented. Yesterday while reading some of the released documents in this case, I noticed something that someone said that I had never heard of before. He referenced “zani bars” as places that exist in that area where people can go to purchase xanax which often is fueled by consuming alcohol to further enhance the medication. Just got me to thinking about “Zanny the Nanny”. Has anyone explored the possibility that Xanax was being given to Caylee to knock her out for periods of time and that is why Casey refers to “Zanny” as a nanny? This has probably been discussed earlier and I missed it. If so I apologize. Just never heard of this terminology before concerning Zani bars.
Blink, what specifically about the placement of the duct tape has convinced you that Casey intentionally killed Caylee?
Working on this Fair- I will cover.
B
it just seems that george and cindy knew casey had the capacity for murder,its actually been the hardest thing for me to get over that casey had the capacity for m,but my 76 year old neighbor,who does not follow this case said its as old as the story of (issac?)in the bible says god told him to kill his son and then he goes to the mountain to do it and then says god changed his mind,and told him not to do it. and then there’s the breakfast video with caylee saying i kil i kil(if thats what she saying )(sure sounds like it)(probably innocent ,but still)
Blink …. I assume you have seen the famous ” Breakfast with Caylee” video … Who do you think was taking the video ? You can clearly hear someone say the word ” kill” during it and any ideas if the video was altered to include that > and why would the person taking the video do what they did by going underneath the high chair with the camera? I felt that it was taken by Casey …. but how could a partent take such a lengthy video of their adorable child without saying anything except ” kill” ?
I always felt it was not an accident but an intentional murder of Caylee by Casey for 2 reasons…. One was to punish her mother for trying to choke her …. and the second was for her own benefit of having free time to party and have fun without the hassle of a child and also she was very jealous of any attention Caylee got as she wanted all the attention on herself…
Oh I see the wag the dog defense kc defense expert stated on the today show ‘there was no duct tape on the remains. So they have been spiking the kc coolaide.oh please this pizzed me off. So the defense experts are not getting paid.
So many speculating about cause and manner of death and kc intentions, should I be worried about reasonable doubt? Justice for caylee
Re: Dates
See comment #233
I assumed the reference to George’s attacking Casey referred to the incident in which Ohio Jim had to pull George away. That could not have happened on 7/29 because Casey was locked up.
However, I could have misinterpreted the comment and the reference was to something George said to Casey during George & Cindy’s 7/29 jail (video) visit to Casey in the OC Jail.
I also saw comments referring to Casey’s release on bond on 8/14 (it was 8/21) and to George’s
Gigi, yes, it’s been discussed before, actually since day one. There have been many, many people who believed the theory that zanny was actually xanax, given in place of a nanny. I never believed that, still don’t. Each to his own though.
Responding to comment by Angela — June 22, 2009 @ 1:28 pm:
“One problem I have with the whole story: if Cindy & Casey had showdown night of 15th, wouldn’t Cindy have shared this w/ George when he returned from work at 11:00 that night? Doesn’t seem logical he & Casey would just have a friendly wave good-bye the next morning, with no confrontation.”
***
I don’t necessarily think Cindy would have shared the fight with George. George mentioned in his testimony that he had not believed Casey was working for a couple of years, but whenever he’d bring up his doubts to Cindy or Casey, Cindy would tell him to back off because he wasn’t a detective anymore and she would handle it.
Similarly, on July 3, Cindy called Lee to say that she hadn’t seen Casey or Caylee for a couple of weeks. Lee checked Casey’s Facebook and MySpace activity and saw that she told a friend she would be at the Dragon Room in Orlando that night (when she had just told Cindy earlier in the day that she was in Jacksonville). Lee spent the evening of July 3 and early morning of July 4 hunting for Casey in Orlando (and there is considerable texting between them all night). When he told Cindy he believed Casey was still in Orlando, Cindy told him to stop looking for Casey because she wanted to handle it.
I do believe Cindy and Casey had a fight that got physical on June 15 between 7:30pm and 11:15pm (when George got home). I also believe Cindy gave Casey an ultimatum – no more chances, either start acting responsibly or Cindy would seek legal custody of Caylee.
George couldn’t be sure whether Casey’s car was in the driveway when he got home but he was “almost positive.” My take is that there were frequent ugly fights in that family, so Casey would not necessarily have run out of the house. She definitely didn’t leave the vicinity per her cell pings.
Casey’s last phone activity for the night was around 3:22am. Her next phone activity was at 7:45am, but it wasn’t a live call. It’s clear from the A&T records that Casey retrieved a voice mail at 7:45am that had been left some time earlier from the Anthony home land line. It was a voicemail retrieval because there is a double-line on the records for the exact same time down to the second (07:45:51) and because there is no cell tower activity. The first line shows Casey calling Cingular voicemail access (407-242-7686) and the second line (exact same time) shows a call from the Anthony home phone to Casey’s cell phone.
What I find interesting is that Casey only spent one second retrieving that voicemail. Similar voicemail retrievals throughout her records show her spending six seconds or even 80 seconds listening to the voicemail. A one-second retrieval either means Cindy didn’t leave more than a word or it means Casey terminated the retrieval as soon as she heard Cindy’s voice.
Anyway, my theory is that Cindy, before leaving for work, checked Casey’s room and saw that the door was closed and could not hear any activity that would indicate they were up. Cindy therefore left Casey a message that went directly to voicemail before Cindy left the house for work. The message referenced the fight they had the night before, and Cindy didn’t want George to know what she was saying to Casey so she left a direct-to-cellphone voicemail rather than leaving a note in the house that George might see.
Why leave George out of the picture? For one thing, Cindy and Casey have IMO an unhealthy co-dependent relationship and the need to control every situation seems to be hard-wired in Cindy. For another thing, Cindy blames George for Casey’s worst behaviors. During the FBI interview, Cindy said George had deceived Cindy regarding money for a few years and covered it up. When Cindy saw the same behavior in Casey, she sought counseling to learn how to deal with Casey’s lies. Cindy said her therapist said that if a child sees lying modeled, then the child learns to lie. Cindy then told FBI agent Scott Bolin that she blames George for Casey’s lying.
PS – Cindy said Mondays and Tuesdays were her early days at work and she left the house between 7:00-7:20am. George said Cindy was usually gone by about 7:10am.
THX, KLEAT, for filling the blanks ..so,client-lawyer privelege..
Angela; comment 278; Of course I have no idea what Cindy shared with George concerning the events on Father’s Day, but imo it could have gone either which-way. In his interviews with LE, especially with the FBI, George refered to being warned off of confrontations with Casey by Cindy. And by George’s description of Casey’s behavior to the Orange County detectives, Casey would take things as far as she could, then pile on more stuff. So I get a picture of George’s confrontations with Casey resulting in a crazy domino effect of destructive behavior. Sometimes Cindy would keep stuff to herself so George wouldn’t get involved.
But in this case, it was Cindy doing the confronting and it seems to have resulted in horrific piling-on.
A rant to no one in particular;
I honestly believe that this is a violently angry family, only kept in check by one another’s fierceness. And while Casey may be the worst offender, I do not for a moment believe that she is the original source of this terrible cycle of behavior.
When was the last time anyone heard of someone throwing their father through a window (which evidently, George did).
Sorry to get so vehement, but I do not believe that George is just a normal loving guy, de-balled and kept from doing right, by a razor-like wife. They are a set.
Thanks, Blink, for the answer about the cad dogs.
patricia, #282 – “why would the person taking the video do what they did by going underneath the high chair with the camera? I felt that it was taken by Casey ….” KC did a series of ‘momtective’ videos in which she’s essentially silent & uses the camera to play games, like peek-a-boo, with Caylee & in KC’s weirdness, doesn’t interact w/her verbally. Considering KC’s intent was probably as a photographer moreso than a psychologist, this manner of videotaping your own kid is more revealing about KC than it is anything else. Consider this, if this is your own kid who’s 2 yrs & is just learning language, isn’t it natural to speak to your kid, say words repetitively, or generally interact w/them when they’re in their high chair?? You can see the detached view KC has toward humans/her daughter in particular. These vids weren’t about Caylee-my-daughter, they were about KC using Caylee as a subject, treating her like an inanimate object. They demonstrate to me that KC wasn’t such a ‘great mom’ at all, but a very cold person.
Comment #255
Please, someone clear up for me if incest is being considered a factor in determining the id of Caylee’s father. I believe this is a blatant lie circulated within the great gossip realm of dormant minds. I can’t believe this is still being brought up, period.
If I’m wrong I beg for proof and I will acknowledge my blunder. I am absolutely SICKENED that people keep hurling the incest card. Lee has been proven NOT to be the father. I cannot say the same about George but a reasonable thinking person can draw a reasonable conclusion…I would hope. I am not a fan of how the Anthony family have conducted themselves throughout this past year…but COME ON.
Pfffffffffffffffft! Stick to the facts
PS…I am not suggesting you are siding with the incest angle and I apologize if I implied as such. I’m just shocked that it’s still being discussed, period. It cheapens Caylee’s legacy.
~Respectfully~
Thanks, Wendy for updating me on the Xanax issue. This is a very interesting and informative site, Blink. I have been mesmerized by the way so many of you can “think outside of the box” so to speak. Not my forte, but I enjoy reading the various ideas of each contributor. Also, a service to the crime fighting community. Keep up the good work!
so lp revoked the bond to keep george from harming kc. That’s what he stated when asked bond revoked for safety of kc and the family. Lp also stated that during the time kc was released on bond and was in the home that george kept his distance from kc and from cidy. I think george was the peace maker between cindy and kc in most of their conflicts.I too believe that the anthonys were tipped on 7/3 that caylee was in trouble. Still think it was a note or something of that nature don’t forget the end of days comment she posted and the tat she got.this is when cindy starts to plan and I believe she kept george out of the loop in the process. So george may have been aware by 8/11 that caylee was dead but not where her body was hidden hence the jailhouse conversation on 8/14 where they are questioning kc they were trying to get the location. This was also the last time thet ever visited kc in jail.they have not gone back since.
Blink do you believe that g&c knew where caylee was at on the day kc’s bond was revoked by lp?
Blink, I’ve read some analysis (articles) about the duct tape found around Caylee’s skull. — Isn’t that awful to refer to that angelic child’s head as a skull? — The prevailing opinion is that Caylee suffered horribly to her death. I want to tear Casey Anthony apart, limb from limb, for the heinous murder inflicted on that gift from God that was Caylee. The columns I’ve read dance around the subject, but never really get to the heart of the matter. I await your judgment. I know you will tell us the unvarnished, non-nuanced truth.
Junebug…it was determined long ago by DNA testing that neigher Lee nor George could be bio dad of Caylee.
June Bug, the incest accusation came from an interview with one of Casey’s former boyfriends, I think it was Jesse Grund, in which he relayed a story Casey told him that her brother Lee had tried to put the moves on her. FWIW, I think it’s a damnable lie. I hadn’t heard any such accusation against George, which was implied in Post #255. That’s equally disgusting and another damnable lie.
Sweet Pea, you have painted the Anthonys with the same brush as their daughter and I don’t think it’s right. Yes, the hostility exhibited by both George & Cindy, their spinning of the facts, possible donation malfeasance, defending Casey, etc., are evidence of a family under enormous pressure.
George & Cindy are flawed parents, but they are not sociopaths. They both lived productive lives, loved their each other and their family, kept a nice home, doted on their grandchild, visited sick elderly parents, etc. I think the stress and strain of dealing with Casey and all her BS damaged them immeasurably.
You can’t attribute any of these qualities to Casey. The only time she went to see her elderly, ailing grandparents was to steal from them. She also stole from her parents, her brother and her friends. She used everybody who came in contact with her. Here she is at 22, still living at home as a single mom, dumping her child on her parents to raise, lying about having a job and dropping Caylee off at Cindy’s workplace, so she could take Caylee home and care for her, while Casey said she had to go to work. In truth, she was out partying and whoring until all hours.
You try dealing with this abuse and ill treatment for decades and see if you’re not frustrated and angry at the world as a result. Now they have horrified, broken hearts with the loss of their murdered grandchild and the knowledge their daughter killed her. These parents didn’t ask for this, didn’t do anything to deserve it. I know they made mistakes, especially in their dealings with Casey, but they tried every day to make things right … and failed miserably. The fault lies in Casey. There’s something missing in that woman. She ruins everything she comes in contact with.
One Shot … thanks so much for your reply…. I just discovered that very weird video recently and have not heard hardly any discussion about it at all .. Especially hearing Casey saying ” Kill” in it to Caylee and this is the only thing you hear on the video, I am shocked that nothing has been discussed about this.. I havent even heard NG talk about it … I would think this would be great evidence against her ??
I have a comment on the “Zanny the Nanny” thing. From early on I figured Casey may well have been drugging Caylee and leaving her in the trunk…maybe even with pizza to eat in case she woke up…for a good amount of time. What other reasoning would there be for pizza left in the trunk? In the back seat maybe..but the trunk???
Would also explain why she felt “comfortable” driving around with a dead body in the trunk and why she rented that movie depecting such on July 15th. I stand firmly by my belief Caylee was dead by the night of July 15th due to the fact we know G&C didn’t have Caylee, and we also know Casey didn’t bring her inside to spend the night with she and Tony…and there was NO nanny. I cannot imagine another scenario. Fact Casey’s cell pings showed she was only around the corner from her house calling/texting for a couple hours makes me feel Caylee died shortly after that and before she met up with Tony.
As for what Cindy found on July 3rd, maybe only the fact she realized Casey wasn’t where she said she was and had a gut feeling Caylee wasn’t with her. She probably wanted to find out asap where her granddauther was and did just what Casey was good at…multiple phone calling to find out what is up?! True, very possible Cindy did find something in the yard, and I have to wonder still if it was the shoes (since they weren’t with her remains) and as another suggested, the smell of death was on them. We are clear that Cindy was quick to wash Casey’s clothes from the car, but if she DID find the shoes, I say they went straight in the trash (IMO).