Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Conway and the Anthonys Lose in Court-Autopsy Released
Orlando, FL– Appearing in Court today at 11am, Brad Conway, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, argued unsuccessfully against the release of the autopsy report in the death of their granddaughter, 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony.
As reported exclusively at blinkoncrime.com in the second installment of the Scamthony Series, I am at a loss as to how this motion made the docket in the first place, let alone how Judge Strickland felt compelled to stay it’s release.
Late afternoon yesterday, a Notice of Provisional In Camera review was filed by Conway, presumably to request Judge Strickland review the report in camera, and hopefully find it prejudicial and sealing it for that reason. This backdoor strategy is in lieu of a request from the only person with standing to autopsy be sealed, Casey Anthony.
Appearing in court first George Anthony made an empassioned plea to Stan Strickland that he seal the autopsy and give his family “some dignity.”
Conway argued that the release does not contain any new information and it’s release will only further damage Caysey criminal trial Linda Drubnick, Prosecuting Attorney in the criminal case against Casey Anthony, objected that he does not represent her and the Anthony’s have no standing.
Arguing for the Sentinel, Ms. Fugate asked George Anthony how many TV appearances he and his wife have made regarding this case, George answered he had no idea.
Strickland found the matter cut and dry based on the Public Information legislation, and denied Conways motion.
Enter Baez. I am not kidding. Once the motion was denied Baez requested a 48 hour stay for the defense to decide if they would file a motion to seal on Casey’s behalf. WTH you say? Nothing more than his puppetteering Conway to file this motion in the hopes it succeeded. God Forbid his Client look like she was bothered by the release and filing it herself.
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One more theory that I have been mauling around is that Caylee was beginning to talk. This may have also been a concern for Casey and possibly could have been part of the big blow up between Casey and Cindy on the 15th.
Cindy spent alot of time with that baby and could have heard some words come out of her mouth (kill???as in the beakfast video). Just a thought.
No. 279 a “zani bar” is actually Xanax in the shape of a long thin rectangular shaped pill that is scored in 4 different sections. You break off where the doc tells you or take all as per directions. I believe they are usually 20mg scored in 5mg increments. It is actually a Xanax Bar. Highly addictive and a fave rec drug amongst quite a few folk and of course intensified by alcohol. She probably has given Caylee Xanax to knock her out during her partying. If her friends would own up to this it could add more fuel to the fire and to the “Zanny” name. Someone may need to correct me on mg of pill.
I think what may have sparked the alert with George and Cindy on July 3rd is that Cindy caught her in a lie. She said she was in Jacksonville and then found out she was really in Orlando. I think that spiked her concern. That’s when she realized Casey is deliberatly avoiding her and keeping her away from Caylee. Maybe they did find something in the backyard…maybe they didn’t…but I don’t think it is too unusual to do yard projects on a holiday/long weekend. That’s when we plan our lawn projects because you have an extra day. I don’t think they were necessarily ‘covering anything up’ by putting down pavers and rearranging the backyard, IMO. I have been trying to find precisely when Cindy left for work the morning of the 16th. If that was one of her ‘early’ days and she left the house around 7:10am, then who made the phone call at 7:45 from the Anthony phone line to Casey’s cell phone?
I am 1000% they found something in that yard on the 3rd of July that caused them to question Caylees safety, no doubt in my mind. Further, Lee sends a message through Annie’s myspace that date asking her if she knows where Casey and Caylee are.
B
Didn’t OCSO want to re-interview the Anthony’s after the memorial for Caylee? Whatever happened with that?
They got a lawyer and refused to talk to them without immunity.
B
P.S.
How long before the words “Mommy puts me in trunk” came out.
Brenda in Virginia, read the reports, only Lee was excluded in the FBI testing results. Why no mention of George? Maybe they never tested.
I too was shocked about the incest, just like June Bug and spoke out against the thought. I’m NOT now saying it is so of course. But the questions remain, why hasn’t every male member of Casey’s close family, that includes brother and father, been excluded by paternity DNA tests, why weren’t both tested and cleared results for both made public, instead, only one, the brother? If both tests were done, why only give one result? That makes no sense in this case.
The identity search for Caylee’s father is far too important not to cover all bases, clear everyone possible. Sexual promiscuity is a trait of the sexually abused, I’ve read. But then sociopaths are also often sexually promiscuous. Casey’s statements about Lee could be attention-getters for sympathy or jealousy attempts with Jesse and just another lie. Maybe only Lee was tested because only Lee was said to be accused.
Maybe Casey’s anger towards her father has to do with his gambling instead, maybe that’s why he left the home and they were detached from each other for so long. Maybe ‘Father’s Day’ was not important as a night that Caylee went missing or was last seen, if George is lying about the last day Caylee was seen to prove that did not happen on Father’s Day.
We will have to wait to see. But the theory holds some value as it has not yet been excluded.
I actually disagree on that point- I think incest and Sex abuse should not have to be “ruled out” if there was never any concrete or in George’s case evidence in the first place. I think that’s irresponsible.
B
Good Morning All,
I read over the Examination/Autopsy report and wanted to point something out.
Autopsy report on page 5 (near bottom of page) reads there is also a piece of lighter gray synthetic material which is less than inch in size.
Conincidentally, the slacks from Casey’s car were grey. The ones that Cindy washed on July 15th, after retrieving Casey’s car from the impound. Below is the link to the transcript of cindy talking about washing the grey slacks because of the nasty smell. page 30
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_C_Anthony080408.htm
Is it possible that Casey snagged these slacks on a twig while dumping Caylee in the woods.
Whether she killed Caylee by holding her hand over her face, using a pillow to suffocate her, holding her head under water,chloroforming her and wrapping her mouth and nose with duct tape, or by suffocating her with the duct tape without the chloroform — it’s all murder. Casey is a sociopath, and Caylee was in the way.
Cindy was telling Casey that she (Cindy)was watching the baby too much. So, in came the “imaginary” nanny. I still don’t understand, as there were times prior to Caylee’s death where Cindy did not have her, and Casey was out partying. Still nobody knows where Caylee was during those times. Which is why it seems that she may have been chloroforming her, duct taping her mouth, and putting her in the trunk to go out and party for months before she killed her.
NOBODY could truly “accidentally” kill their child and then throw her into the swampy woods to be eaten by animals. That is just SO disturbing. Reading the autopsy report made me sick to my stomach. Especially thinking about all the adults who were searching that area, but were afraid to go in too far because there are snakes in there. How could ANYBODY do that to a child?
Casey partying for the month that Caylee was missing, telling everyone the baby was “fine” and with the nanny, lying to her parents about where she was, getting a “beautiful life” tattoo, shows that she just DID NOT CARE, and actually seemed to be happy and relieved that her “problem” was out of the way.
She has NO CONSCIENCE AT ALL. If anything ever happened to one of my children, I would not be able to function at all. Nevermind fix my hair and smile at my lawyers in the courtroom. Any other mother would be a complete mess.
I do not recall ever reading anything about a “hairline fracture”. RE: comment 275 — I don’t think the skull ever fell out of the bag. I believe Roy Kronk just picked up the bag and saw the skull underneath, as I believe it has been proven that the skull was never moved from it’s original position. He described it as the skull rolling out, but I don’t think it really did. Also, the tibia is not in the skull, it is part of the leg bone. I believe they said there were no fractures or trauma to the head.
The skull did not fall out of the bag, your correct.
B
is it possible that there was a plan for cindy to divorce george kick him out of the house move in with her boyf and let casey rent the house with a roommate?that was a very bold lie,wonder what was behind it ,& why didnt casey have a job for two years?the perfect way to gain some space ,money & freedom ,wonder about what former employees say about her work ethic and why she was fired(can sociopaths maintain jobs) and what was that i missed about a robbery at sports authority,and casey having a check in the same amount(which parts were the lie)which george(mr. detective) knew so much about.i think there is more to the a’s attempts at coverup,i agree bet the state has more.just wondering momentary loss of anger control,or the movie the bad seed,girl had to get what she wanted.i think andre lyon can succeed at her forte(life instead death)if it goes there.
Thanks, Blink– good point, never thought of that. Just that in this case, it seems prudent to cover everything, maybe just from the public ‘spin’. And we have not heard anything on this from known sources. Keeping an open mind, thanks.
Fathers Day June 15th – Casey and Caylee have the major blowup
and Cindy possibly threatens to file for custody of Caylee. Casey
is involved with Tony and he doesnt want Casey to bring Caylee with her when she goes there. Why didnt Casey just walk out of the house
and tell her mother to get custody and go live with Tony? She ended up living with him anyway from June 16th on. I can understand her rage at Cindy but I cannot understand why in the world she just didnt walk away from it all and let Cindy get custody. As far as money was concerned after the theft from her grandparents, it would hardly be likely that Cindy would give Casey anymore money so why not just walk away. This is the thing that bothers me the most. I have no doubt that
Casey killed Caylee, I just cannot understand why she killed her.
have you noticed how casey picks and rubs at a spot on her hand in court,can’t help every time but think lady mcbeth and her famous”i have given suck ..” about ambition vs child.
Thanks, Melissab, for clearing up my misunderstanding of zani bars. I actually thought that it was a place to buy the xanax illegaly. I had no idea it was the actual med. I am so naive as to the type of people and their lives that are involved in this mess that I sometimes cannot discern it all. However, I appreciate all of you who have the gift of insight and are able to bring up possible scenarios so as to try to piece it together correctly. The sad thing is I do not know if anyone will ever know the details of the truth because of the people involved consistently enabling Casey. I hope that at some point George, Cindy and Lee will wake up and help send Casey on a life long stay at the pen, which would be much worse than the quick relief of an execution, imo.
Also, although this is getting off topic, I would like to ask a question to Blink or anyone. Since starting to follow a lot of cases on forums like this one, Phillip Markoff, Christopher Coleman, etc., I would like to know if the lawyers representing these people have to believe they are innocent to represent them. I mean, goodness, the evidence in so many cases is so outstanding, surely a person with any sense of ethics, morality or professionalism would know their client is guilty as sin and lying through their teeth. Does that not matter to these lawyers??? Or does the client admit guilt and the lawyers say well okay you did it, but we can get you off on this by whatever means. How do these people sleep at night if that is the case??
lol, I had a very long debate with a dear friend who does just that yesterday. It always ends the same way, we just dont agree.
B
Fairwitness, I agree G&C didn’t “abuse” Casey in the manner many believe, but I DO think there was abuse in the manner of overthetop spoiling. Created a monster by being overly giving to her and most likely excusing the type of behavior that errupts from such. You know the old saying “spare the rod and spoil the child”? No doubt too much rod was spared and Casey really did become sociopathic due to that. She got everything she ever wanted and when the attention and materials things started going to Caylee instead, her very, selfish jealous nature started to grow in ways her parents never could have dreamed.
Susan….. Yes, I had noticed about Casey’s hand rubbing ( among other nervous actions )during court that she does and then when the info came out about the guard testimony when they took her out of cell to watch the discovery of Caylee on tv, the guard mentioned that she rubbed her hands because they were sweaty ….. so I figured she tends to have sweaty hands when she gets nervous and that is a sign of her being nervous in court despite all the smiling she does.
Gigi …… When the person is as noticeably guilty as Casey is and OJ was, their lawyers know without a doubt that they did it…. It is just all about big money !!! They make so much more money then the prosecutors do doing the same job ….
Does anyone else remember how Casey would walk with such a exaggerated and sexy ( she thought it was )hip sway when she knew she was on camera ? That was the first thing I noticed about her , was that sway of her hips when the filmed her walking into the police station for questioning , etc and I thought to myself this is someone so in love with themselves that they think they can get away with anything, including murder and I felt at that moment that she was quilty .
Blink…do you think what Cindy found were Caylee’s shoes? If you cannot say yet, that’s cool.
No, but I believe whatever it was was buried or concealed in the back yard.
B
Kleat, I have read them, please do not speculate incorrectly that I have not. Started day one and have read as much of the evidence/docs released to the public I had time to.
Thing is when Lee was ruled out…they already had George’s DNA which would be close to Lee’s. I just searched for an hour and couldn’t find the article, but it was in a FL paper and clearly stated that there was ‘no way’ Lee was bio-dad which basically eliminated the need to look at George since Lee and George would have been able to be matched to one another. if they saw the “possibility” Lee was dad, no doubt George would have been next.
You gotta look beyond the clouded glass, but if I do find the article, I promise I’ll post it.
everyone on this site is so knowledgeable. i have a question and i dont know if it has been asked before. i live in the houston area where being in the trunk in the summertime even at night could cause someone to die just from that–like being locked in the actual car. i know it is hot and humid in florida too. i dont see her being able to put her in the hot trunk to party at all on a regular basis. i think the child would have died the first time from the heat. i have just always thought about that part.
Do you think that the ‘find’ precipitated the need for the yardwork? Not as cover-up (at first anyway) but to find ‘more’ of what might be there? The cover-up would happen just by doing and moving and repotting while they searched for more clues?
Or was there prep for yardwork that caused the ‘find’ to begin with, then the yardwork just continued as normally planned.
Found, not planned.
B
Dear Martha…darn good point. I was thinking a night-time only/in the dark thing, but maybe that wouldn’t have been possible based on your facts.
I live in VA now 23 yrs and did kinda forget the huge diff in the temps in a car. No matter how hot in the summer, simply never gets as bad in our mtns as it does down there. Still, I would not be easily convinced this was an accident. Maybe Casey placed Caylee in there ON PURPOSE with the tape knowing damn well it would kill her. Either way she’s such a devious soul.
Someone else mentioned that maybe Casey had been taping Caylee’s mouth for a while, but that one cannot be. Would be red marks on Caylee has that been the case. Can you imagine pulling that stuff off one’s skin? Ouch!
Blink-
Need alittle help here. I thought that I heard (can not remember where) that the Anthony’s were having financial problems.
If so, why where they spending money to redo their backyard? I also read (on another site early on) that there were pictures of the Anthony’s home that showed one washer and dryer set (pre-Caylee’s disappearence)in background, and then in latter pictures they had a different W/D set(post Caylee’s disappearence);also odd for a couple having financial difficulties.
Are you aware of any of this?
Martha,
It is really hot when the suns out, but can cool off pretty darn quick when the sun goes down. Nineties during the day and low 70′s, high 60′s at night last June. I thought you made a good point. Made me think.
http://www.ouc.com/business/Orlando%20Weather%20Comparison%20June%202008.pdf
Brenda,
I like reading your posts alot, and don’t mean this as a criticism at all, so respectfully just wanted to add a counter thought regarding this comment for what it’s worth.
“No doubt too much rod was spared and Casey really did become sociopathic due to that.”
Twenty five years ago parents of Schizophrenics were blamed for ‘causing’ the disorder in their children, by our revered DOCTORS. They had no better answers to come up with. It wasn’t an effective approach, and most certainly caused alot MORE damage. Today blaming parents for that would be considered ridiculous.
I’m NOT condoning the Anthony’s or Casey in ANY way shape or form. I’d go so far as to say enabling and ignoring her escalation could be considered criminal indeed, and perhaps added to her severity. They knew about her problem. I also think it’s a fine line, as children do learn from parents.
Point being though, I don’t think I could choose to be a Sociopath if I tried, and I don’t think you could either. I mention it as I think blaming parents for “causing it” takes away from finding the root cause and thereby prevents us from stopping or avoiding all the damage, crime etc this causes.
The difference between a spoiled brat and someone capable of killing their own child and tossing them in the woods like trash…*all without batting an eye* is huge. Just my thoughts, hope you don’t mind.
In a fit of RAGE Casey who we presume kills Caylee …takes along a Winnie the Pooh father’s day ballon? What signifigance has this to anything????????????? Not MUCH.
The Williams guy claims he found a Winnie the Pooh Father’s Day Balloon at the crime scene…also listed in discovery.
Julie, your not new, link please. He did not reference it as Winnie the Pooh, ever, I interviewed him twice.
B
my error ooops…just a Father’s day balloon.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg2
Thanks for the info Brenda, I was just referring to the released FBI reports on the DNA and paternity, not interpretations past that…I just read the bare ‘gene’ info.
comment #290 oneshot….I have long wondered too why in the one black and white photo of Caylee stoned out of her tree in either her highchair or a walker…her eyes crossed practically….. food smathered on her face….falling/leaning backwards…… did ‘someone’ take a photo of ‘that’ and later download it to the web???????????????????? To…torture later on others???????????
Did anyone catch nancy Grace June 22nd toward the end..it showed Casey’s car in the crime lab ect…with a rather large SHAMROCK on the rear window??? For her birthday too???? And the one on her lower back it showed as well………
……..AND….Cindy in court re:the release of the autopsy…..wearing her SHAMROCK earings (for Casey’s brthdate) I suppose?
I f I were on a jury and saw just alone this photo :
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-trial-case-photos,0,2398805.photogallery?…
photo #87
It would show me that a long on going vendetta was going on with this child being the pawn and it would show me that to on top of it to photograph her and then download this to the internet AFTER the murder too shows no sign of remorse….a sign of further punishment…showing me clearly no accident deliberate cold cunning and for a clear obvious reason. She had a HUGE score to settle. That 1 photograph alone.
re#259 B, I was saying that a way earlier post where “I” thought George and Casey were in on it, was actually done by a prankster in my house who likes me to look silly. He just thinks it’s hilarious. He’s done it on my Facebook, too. I was just trying to let everyone know I hadn’t waivered and wasn’t a dumb-butt.
Comment by FairestWitness — June 23, 2009 @ 6:22 am
Thank you for your response Fair. I thought the accusations made by Casey implied they took place ‘after’ Caylee was born…but ‘uh’. Makes sense now. I love to be enlightened and stand corrected. Thank you friend.
#327
Casey giving Caylee drugs is still in question ‘I believe’. I know my small children looked similar to this while eating in their high chair. There were times they were so sleepy, they would try to eat, fall asleep, spring back to life abruptly (wide eyed) to continue eating, then doze off again. ALWAYS food on their faces, high chair, floor…me LOL.
Perhaps it’s as simple as that (I hope). With Caylee, unfortunately, it’s quite possible being medicated was the reason for this behaviour =(
Comment by FairestWitness — June 23, 2009 @ 6:22 am
Thank you for your response Fair. I thought the accusations made by Casey implied they took place ‘after’ Caylee was born…but ‘ah!’. Makes sense now. I love to be enlightened and stand corrected. Thank you friend.
OOPS…sorry about the double post :S
FairestWitness – #298 – Great insight into the Anthony’s and well said….I believe years from now, when the dust settles after the trial (or the plea), G&C Anthony will look back and see things that we – the public – see in regards to their daughter Casey. I think they will be more apt to admit to their mistakes and shortsightedness. They will have a lot to say and we will be able to forgive them for failing to search for truth and justice for the murder of their grandddaughter Caylee.
Riddlemethis…no offense taken at all by your observation. Just you and I have a diff set of beliefs. I’m one who fully believes just about every mental issue is a direct reflection of the conditions of one’s soul. Yet, I know I’m in the vast minority!!! But that’s why this site is so amazing. Differing points of view and just about ALL relevant :>)
I love reading your posts too and just about every other posters’ opinion.
#297 Comment by Brenda in Virginia — June 23, 2009 @ 6:03 am
Junebug…it was determined long ago by DNA testing that neigher Lee nor George could be bio dad of Caylee.
Again, thank you for clarifying it for me
I was thinking about the rage George had against his own Father many yrs ago. Who would’ve thought that how many yrs later his own daughter acted in a similiar manner….I’m sure Casey witnessed many rages from her Father. And a matter of fact it’s my opinion Casey’s true hatred is against her father, not her mother. She knew it was her mother who was the provider, not her father however when kids grow up in an abusive/dysfunctional household the anger general goes toward someone else as they cannot get out what they need to toward the abuser,,,,I think CAsey treated Cindy and her own daughter just like George treated Cindy, she took on his behaviors in my opinion..Rage is a learned behavior, unless of course one is diagnosed with bi-polar etc…Even so, they still witness the rages.. If CAsey was doing drugs that would only fuel her rages especially if she was going thru withdrawls and or couldnt find anymore monies to feed her habit…..I think a lot plays into all of this, all of the above plus then some. AFter all, who was searching on the pc for escort services?? Was monies being taken for that also?? (GA)I do feel GA didnt stop stealing from Cindy and may have tried to set up his own daughter at some time….JMOpinion. He was too quick to blame Casey for clearing out Caylee’s account now wasnt he…Strange,,,but could be just a coincidence George handing the prosecutors info without even asking for it. His granddaughter was gone yet he’s talking about himself how much of a hero he was when putting in a few bucks in an account for Caylee..HMM George in my opinion didnt change over night… I think Cindy had two MAJOR problems to contend with. George and Casey. Two peas in a pod….I think both are guility as sin….But I still do not know exactly the roll George actually played….ALL in my humble opinion…
Blink,
Can you please try to answer this question for me one way or another on DID CINDY REALLY CHOKE CASEY on the 15th or was that a fabricated story that KC told Lee maybe to justify her actions?
I have seen this all over the internet and on NG forever and dont even know if it really happened or not?
It would help with quite a few questions that I have?
Please try if you can to answer this once and for all.
I was not there, but yes, I believe they had a major falling out that evening. In theory, there are many witnesess to this via hearsay. Rick and Shirley Plesea, and Lee via Cindy. I know for a fact Lee repeated that story to Leonard and team as well.
B
George did not play a certain part in this coverup/lets protect Casey jig.He started out being honest at first and when Casey was bailed out they all got together and started covering for Casey.They all knew that Caylee was dead and thats when all of the lying started.But at some point they all got off script and this is why they were requesting a private family meeting with Casey under the guise of greiving for Caylee as a family.They wanted to get their stroy line on the same page.also,they told lies in the beginning and Cindy washed the pants that had Caylee’s decomposition on them hince the request for immunity.these people are just as guilty as casey IMO and they should all be in jail along with casey.Blink,don’t you agree?
Hello AregntinaRose….Yes, I agree with you all had a hand in a covering up something pertaining to this however I do still have a gut feeling since day one George had more. I found it fascinating George quickly started defending himself, especially pertaining to monies. I think he’s a habitual liar and it comes easy to him. In no way possible in the beginning to I feel he was out to protect Casey, rather he was protecting his own rep in my opinion. One thing i’m baffled about and it’s just common sense as to why the investigators didnt ask George why he didnt call 911 after smelling decomposition. He really specified this to the investigators yet they never asked him why. I am hoping beyond hope it’s because they’re on to him in some way. I think it’s just a matter of time before GA is arrested, all in my opinion. If not, well it’s an injustice for Caylee as it’s clear to me that GA is amoung one of the major players in this tragedy in one way or another…..
Remember George worried more about his gascans on June 24th then reporting Caylee missing. There is no way he didn’t smell that car that day,,,,all in my opinion.
Gas, your “hat” cracks me up, but I do not believe he ever saw Casey that day.
B
For the posts with Xanax theories regarding Caylee: In trying to clear up the (cloroform) drugging issue for myself, I came across this re: Xanax was not found in bones or hair and was specifically tested for.
Bone references here, http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801861/detail.html
Hair mass from remains recovery also came up negative for Xanax. Don’t have the link for that handy.
Personally I’m still suspicious of cloroforming at the very end; in part due to high levels in the trunk, but also partly in the hope she didn’t suffer as much.
Oh boy, oh boy….I must need a vacation, the last post was intended for the other later thread…my bad…AGAIN. !
WEll thank you B, you do a fantastic job……
So the date of the infamous trunk incident never happened? Wasnt that
June 24th or am I mistaken…
ros….comment #229 I found that video of george and Cindy with Greta in the backyard!! On Lunar Legion’s channel on YouTube it is titled George Sweats Decomp! Personal Hygene According to Cindy
Julie…#347 Thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asli_c189FM
I looked at this one, I haven’t seen the full version (especially with the creative editing!). But, the one I am remembering is even EARLIER.
George is talking about while Caylee and Casey were ‘at large’, he and Cindy were trying to figure out what was going on, even discussing something happening in the pool due to the ladder being back up. He was poking at the grass and the landscaping……still looking.
I will dig more and see if I can find it….ros….
I dunno how nobody smelled that car if CAylee was in there..It would begin to smell right away, especially in that heat. Even if she was buried in the back yard, it would still smell….I know this is kind of gross but I always thought Casey placed Caylee in the freezer in the garage for a short period of time, Could explain her backing up into the garage and could explain the chloroform found. Freezers contains Chloroform…So does pool water…I wonder if LE checked out that freezer